Constantinople at the feet of the Russian Tsar

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Russian-Turkish war 1828-1829 190 years ago, on September 14, 1829, peace was signed between Russia and Turkey in Adrianople, ending the war of 1828-1829. The Russian army won a brilliant victory over historical the enemy, stood against the walls of ancient Constantinople and brought the Ottoman Empire to its knees. However, Russia's acquisitions in the Adrianople world were insignificant.

Constantinople at the feet of the Russian Tsar

Moscow triumphal gates. Built in 1834 — 1838. according to the project of architect V.P. Stasov in honor of the victorious end of the Russian-Turkish war 1828 — 1829.




The Russian army put Turkey on the brink of disaster


In the summer of 1829, the Russian army under the command of Dibich on the Balkan Front made an unparalleled march-throw through the impenetrable Balkan Mountains, defeated the Turkish army in a number of battles. The Russians took Adrianople. Cossack patrols were visible from the walls of Constantinople. In Istanbul, panic broke out. The Ottoman leadership had no opportunities for the defense of the capital. On the Caucasian front, a Separate Caucasian Corps under the command of Paskevich-Erivansky defeated the Turks, took the main strategic fortresses of the enemy in the Caucasus - Kars and Erzerum. That is, the Turkish front in the Balkans and the Caucasus collapsed. The Ottoman Empire for some time completely lost the opportunity to fight.

Thus, the army of Dibich stood at the walls of Constantinople, which could occupy the Turkish capital with virtually no battle, the Ottomans did not have combat forces to defend the city. The Russian army launched an offensive in western Bulgaria, liberated the cities of central Bulgaria, crossed the Balkans and was on the outskirts of Sofia. Russian troops could liberate all of Bulgaria. Near the Bosphorus, the Black Sea Fleet cruised, which controlled the situation off the coast of the Caucasus, Anatolia and Bulgaria, and could support the capture of Constantinople by landing. In the Dardanelles zone was a squadron of Heiden, composed of ships of the Baltic fleet. In such a situation, the Russians could easily take Constantinople, which was demanded by national interests. And then dictate any conditions of peace in Turkey, in particular, to pick up Constantinople-Constantinople, which was planned by Catherine the Great, to give freedom to Bulgaria.

It is not surprising that panic began in Istanbul. The Sultan's Palace in Eski Sarai, where Dibich’s headquarters was located, was immediately visited by European diplomats in the capital of the Ottoman Empire. They were unanimous in their aspirations. The ambassadors of the European powers wanted immediate peace talks to prevent the Russians from occupying Constantinople and the straits.

The military historian General A. I. Mikhailovsky-Danilevsky (the author of the official history of the Patriotic War of the 1812 of the year), who was then at the headquarters of the acting army, conveyed the mood of the Russian army. He noted that the capture of Constantinople was not a problem. The city did not have modern fortifications, there was no combat-ready garrison, the townspeople were worried, the capital was on the verge of rebellion. At the same time, the Russians could cut the water pipes supplying Constantinople with water and provoke an uprising. Mikhailovsky-Danilevsky emphasized that the army was ready to go to Constantinople and experienced great gloom when they refused to capture Constantinople.

Unfinished victory


Unfortunately, in St. Petersburg they thought differently. Chancellor and Foreign Minister Karl Nesselrode (he served as Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Empire longer than anyone else, he was engaged in foreign affairs from 1816 to 1856), who constantly feared the discontent of Western Europe, was guided by the position of Austria. And for Vienna, the Russian occupation of Constantinople and their victory in the Balkans was like a knife in the heart. The Austrians were afraid that Russia would occupy a dominant position on the Balkan Peninsula, relying on Slavic and Orthodox peoples. This dealt a mortal blow to the strategic interests of the Habsburg empire.

Russian sovereign Nikolai the First hesitated. On the one hand, he would be glad to see the Russian flag over the Bosphorus, on the other hand, he was committed to the ideas of the Holy Alliance (Russia, Prussia and Austria), did not want aggravation with the “Western partners”. In the end, the tsar formed from the bureaucrats, who were far from understanding the national, strategic interests of Russia, the "Special Committee on the Eastern Question." The committee adopted a resolution drafted by D. Dashkov: “Russia must be willing to preserve the Ottoman Empire, because it could not find a more convenient neighborhood, since the destruction of the Ottoman Empire would put Russia in a difficult position, not to mention the detrimental consequences that it could have for common peace and order in Europe. " This resolution meant the rejection of Petersburg from the fruits of victory, which brought her the victory of the Russian army. Tsar Nicholas did not allow Dibich to take Constantinople.

Obviously, this was stupid and strategic mistake. The Holy Alliance, which defended the principle of legitimacy in Europe, was from the very beginning the mistake that bound Russia. Emperors Alexander I and Nicholas I sacrificed the interests of Russia to the interests of Vienna, Berlin and London. The destruction of the Turkish Empire, the old historical enemy of Russia, which the West regularly set us against, was beneficial to St. Petersburg, in the national interest. Russia could form more “convenient” neighbors. Give full freedom to the Balkan peoples, liberate Bulgaria half a century earlier, annex the historical lands of Georgia and Western Armenia. Occupy Constantinople and the straits, turning the Black Sea into a "Russian lake", providing protection for the southwestern strategic direction. Get access to the Eastern Mediterranean.

It is clear that Western Europe would not approve of the solution of the Turkish question in the interests of Russia. But who in the 1829 year could prevent the Russian Empire? Russia recently defeated the empire of Napoleon, his "invincible" army, was the most powerful military power in Europe. It was considered the "gendarme of Europe." Turkey could no longer fight, it was smashed to smithereens. France was extremely weakened by the wars of Napoleon, economically exhausted, bloodless. France and Austria were on the verge of revolution. In the case of hostility of Austria, Russia had every chance to destroy the Habsburg empire - to support the separation of Hungary and the Slavic regions. England had a strong fleet, which was located in the Aegean Sea, but it did not have land forces to counter the Russians and defend Constantinople. Moreover, in the 1829 year, the British fleet could not do what it did in the 1854 and 1878 years, to enter the Sea of ​​Marmara. At the entrance to the Dardanelles stood a Russian squadron of Heiden. It could be destroyed, but it automatically meant a war with Russia. And England, not having “cannon fodder” in the form of Turkey, France or Austria, was not ready for it.

Thus, Russia had no real opponents in 1829. However, Petersburg was frightened of the opinion of "enlightened Europe" and refused to solve the centuries-old problem.

Adrianople


On 2 (14) on September 1829, peace was signed in Adrianople. On the part of the Russian Empire, the agreement was signed by the authorized ambassador Aleksey Orlov and the head of the interim Russian administration in the Danube principalities Fedor Palen, on the Turkish side, Mehmed Sadyk-effendi, the chief guardian of finances of the Ottoman Empire, and Abdul Kadyr-bey, the highest military judge of the Anatolian army. The agreement consisted of 16 articles, a separate act on the advantages of the Moldavian and Wallachian principalities, and an Explanatory Act on Contributions.

Russian acquisitions under this agreement were minimal. The Russian Empire returned to Porte all the territories in Europe occupied by the Russian army and navy, except for the mouth of the Danube with the islands. At the same time, the right bank of the Danube remained behind the Turks. In the Caucasus, the eastern Black Sea coast departed from Russia from the mouth of the Kuban to the pier of St. Nicholas with the fortresses of Anapa, Sudzhuk-Kale (future Novorossiysk) and Poti, as well as the cities of Akhaltsykh and Akhalkalaki. The Porta recognized the previous successes of Russia - the transition to its structure of the Kartli-Kakheti kingdom, Imereti, Mingrelia, Guria, as well as the Erivan and Nakhichevan khanates. Turkey paid Russia an indemnity in the amount of 1,5 million Dutch chervonets. Russian citizens had the right to conduct free trade in Turkey, and were outside the jurisdiction of the Ottoman authorities.

The Turks guaranteed the free passage of Russian merchant ships through the Black Sea straits in peacetime. The regime of straits in wartime was not specified. The Adrianople Treaty did not concern the passage of Russian warships through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles. Although the free right of Russian warships in peacetime was enshrined in the Russian-Turkish agreements 1799 and 1805. And the Bucharest and Adrianople treaties 1812 and 1829. were foggy, they did not confirm or reject the articles of the 1799 and 1805 agreements. This uncertainty provided a formal reason for Russia, but it was more advantageous for Turkey, which could declare the articles of the 1829 treaty of the year exhaustive and resolve all issues that go beyond the framework of the Adrianople Agreement in their interests.

Thus, Russia received very little from its convincing military victory. However, Europe won, and Turkey lost a lot. Austria, France and England were pleased: the Russians did not occupy the straits and Constantinople. Turkey confirmed the autonomy of Serbia, the Danube principalities (Moldova and Wallachia) and Greece. In fact, they gained independence.

As a result, after the death of Catherine the Great, all the wars between Russia and Turkey led to the fact that the Russian Empire had small acquisitions in the Black Sea region. The Ottoman Empire suffered serious losses, but Europe won: Austria (expanding in the Balkans), France and England (financially and economically enslaving Turkey, expanding their sphere of influence in the Middle East) and the Balkan countries that gained freedom.
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  1. +5
    12 September 2019 05: 54
    It vaguely reminds me .. Modern Russia. Unfinished, caution as a person in a case ..
    1. -3
      12 September 2019 07: 42
      And then dictate any conditions of peace in Turkey, in particular, to take Constantinople-Tsar grad, which was planned by Catherine the Great, to give freedom to Bulgaria.

      We look at the results:
      1. Russia then fell apart twice, for internal reasons, the Constantinople Land would fall off in 1917.
      2. In 1991, the Greek-Turkish SSR would have fallen off.

      And we have problems with the Black Sea.
  2. -3
    12 September 2019 06: 46
    200 years have passed, nichrome has not changed, and only the Holy Union managed to change its name ...
  3. +4
    12 September 2019 07: 07
    But who in 1829 could prevent the Russian Empire? The capture of Constantinople would inevitably mean a new war between Russia and a united Europe. But could Russia, as in 1812, defeat them? The emperor knew more than all of us and refused this.
    1. +4
      12 September 2019 08: 25
      Quote: kjhg
      The capture of Constantinople would inevitably mean a new war between Russia and a united Europe. But could Russia, as in 1812, defeat them? The emperor knew more than all of us and refused this.

      Totally agree.
      And Russia did not have the strength to fight it: "Stretch your legs over your clothes."

      The statements about the "minimal" acquisitions of Russia are incorrect, and these are:

      -Today's Black Sea coast of Russia
      -Georgia with the coast, Armenia, part of today's Azerbaijan
      -Ismail with the mouth of the Danube

      Greece became independent.

      Wow "minimal!
      1. 0
        12 September 2019 09: 17
        What of this, besides the Black Sea coast, remains with Russia?
        1. -8
          12 September 2019 09: 57
          Quote: Aldmit_2
          What of this, besides the Black Sea coast, remains with Russia?

          Nothing. But this is already done in 1917-1940 yyy non-Russian.
          1. +3
            12 September 2019 17: 46
            As a monarchist so immediately and a Nazi
            1. 0
              13 September 2019 08: 17
              Quote: Kronos
              As a monarchist so immediately and a Nazi

              What is "Nazism", "tyrnationalist"? REALLY? Don't love? Clear.

              So go and kisse borders of Russia 17th centurycreated by YOUR idols in 1917-19440. with carved out of the body Russia by Novorossia to Ishmael, Peter and Paul, Verny, Guryev, Semirechye, Narva, etc.

              Go and kiss those who spread rot there today, Russians in Russian lands is YOUR creations.
              1. 0
                13 September 2019 09: 44
                Quote: Olgovich
                Go and kiss those who spread rot there today, Russians in Russian lands-these are YOUR creations.
                Olgovich, the communists built a superpower by giving the people an excellent Soviet education, healthcare, science and culture. Russians are now being rotten by your own bourgeoisie, in capitalism, which was picked up from the dustbin of history. Nicholas II, was a weak, mediocre autocrat who abdicated the throne. This time, and secondly, the Anglo-Saxons did not need a strong Russia, both with the tsar and without, if it were not for the Communists, a new social system independent of the West, Russia would have collapsed into pieces after 1917, all in debt, semi-literate, would have come even then the pro-Western Chubais and Gaidars. The current "gentlemen" took a country with a great legacy, a space and nuclear superpower, and so far have not built anything better, eating up the Soviet reserve of strength for more than a quarter of a century.
                1. -1
                  13 September 2019 10: 23
                  Quote: Per se.
                  lgovic, the communists built a superpower,

                  AND WHERE is she? "Superpowers" do not self-disintegrate. And this is without war, like taclysms, with TOTAL indifference of citizens
                  Quote: Per se.
                  giving the people excellent Soviet education, healthcare, science and culture

                  Yeah, without them, they would have jumped in the skins in the trees. And there was no culture before them, 130 thousand schools were not, there were no doctors, teachers. Have you brought them from Switzerland?

                  Look at the WEST - there it IS THAT without any communists and BETTER. And Russia before the Thief is a 4-5 world economy!
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Nicholas II, was a weak, mediocre autocrat, abdicated.

                  Under him, the population of Russia grew by 50%. With your "strong-willed" "strong" already in 1964, it died out,
                  Quote: Per se.
                  This time, and secondly, the Anglo-Saxons did not need a strong Russia, both with the Tsar and without, if not for the Communists, a new social system independent of the West, Russia would fall to pieces after 1917, all in debt, semi-literate, then pro-Western Chubais and Gaidars would have come.

                  What are your "woulds" worth? Less than nothing.
                  And the MILLENNIUM experience of Russia shows that it experienced the ONE and much more terrible times.
                  Quote: Per se.
                  The current "gentlemen" took a country with a great legacy, a space and nuclear superpower, and so far have not built anything better, eating up the Soviet reserve of strength for more than a quarter of a century.

                  The Communists are CRIMINAL, mediocre, in the shortest possible time, ate the country's most valuable, unique resource — a young, fast-growing, full-bodied RUSSIAN people.
                  By 1991, it was already fast-growing, endangeredtired people.
                  Quote: Per se.
                  with a great heritage

                  Yeah, panties / sausage coupons are a "great" legacy. And this, mind you, WITHOUT WAR, IN PEACE TIME, NOBODY interfered!

                  And the Atom and space are created by RUSSIAN scientists, brought up in RUSSIAN EMPERORIAL UNIVERSITIES!
                  1. 0
                    13 September 2019 11: 42
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    AND WHERE is she? "Superpowers" do not self-disintegrate. And this is without war, like taclysms, with TOTAL indifference of citizens
                    There was no indifference of citizens, there was betrayal, deception. And, the Soviet Union did not collapse on its own, a new union agreement was assumed, but the people were fooled by this "CIS", which turned out to be in essence a profanation for a referendum on the preservation of the USSR. Your, - "The Communists are CRIMINAL, mediocre, in the shortest possible time, ate the country's most valuable, unique resource — a young, fast-growing, full of energy RUSSIAN people"I don't even want to comment, we need a" preventer "here.

                    Otherwise, Russia had a chance to become a superpower after the victory over Napoleonic France, but, as it turns out, for Alexander I, it was more important to play nobility in front of his European relatives, the favor of the same England, in admiration for which he was brought up from childhood. In addition, willingly or unwillingly, he was an accomplice in the murder of his father, and, in any case, he did not punish the murderers of the "anointed of God."

                    About coupons and sausage ... You still remember bread cards in the war, this is a cliché, speculation, and nothing more, like "imperial universities", with the complete technical dependence of tsarist Russia from the West.
                    1. 0
                      13 September 2019 12: 10
                      Quote: Per se.
                      There was no indifference of citizens, there was betrayal, deception. And, the Soviet Union did not collapse on its own, a new union agreement was supposed,

                      WHO came out after the announcement of the dissolution of the USSR and the lowering of the flag in the Kremlin, on the streets in defense?
                      NONE. Including and KPSS (ran away). That’s the whole story. This is just a fact.
                      Quote: Per se.
                      "The communists are CRIMINAL, inept, in the shortest possible time, they ate the most valuable, unique resource of the country - the young, fast-growing, full of strength RUSSIAN people"

                      True eyes prick? Still would!
                      Russian Cross-It was created by YOUR "wise men" and it is purely THEIR "achievement" and nobody's more, in 70 years. It's just a FACT
                      Quote: Per se.
                      Otherwise, Russia had a chance to become a superpower after the victory over Napoleonic France, but, as it turns out, for Alexander I, it was more important to play nobility in front of his European relatives, the favor of the same England, in admiration for which he was brought up from childhood. In addition, willingly or unwillingly, he was an accomplice in the murder of his father, and, in any case, he did not punish the murderers of the "anointed of God."

                      She was a European superpower: ANYTHING significant could not be solved without her
                      Quote: Per se.
                      About coupons and sausage ... You still remember bread cards in the war, this is speculation

                      In 1990, there WAS NOT a war, if not in the know. And the coupons for grub and clothes were. It is simply a FACT - sheer helplessness and failure.
                      Quote: Per se.
                      like "imperial universities ", with full technical dependence on the West.

                      If it’s not clear, I’ll repeat: Atom and space are created by RUSSIAN scientists brought up in RUSSIAN EMPERORIAL UNIVERSITIES-we take biographies of our scientists and teach!

                      Technically dependent on the West (cooperation, an unknown word?) For the first time in the world, carried out the world's first television and radio broadcast, created RUSSIAN DIESEL (in bulk) for oil (diesel fuel for the first time in the world), they built the first diesel submarine, motor ship, ECT, the world's largest fleet of motor ships, organized mass advanced steam engine building, naval aviation, aircraft carriers, etc.

                      You could KNOW such things!
                    2. +1
                      16 September 2019 14: 59
                      Great, you wrote everything. One question - how did it happen that at the stage of the CPSU some traitors and restorers of capitalism stood at the helm? They are not from heaven fell into the party !!!! These are not space pirates who kidnapped the honest and correct communists Gorbachev, Ligachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin and further acted under their masks. All of them, future restorers of capitalism, were brought up under the Soviet regime, were October Revolutionaries, then pioneers, then Komsomol members. Then - members of the CPSU. Passed all the steps of party posts. Gorbachev jumped into the General Secretary’s chair not from the combiner’s chair. Gaidar was the editor and head of the economic policy department in the journal of the Central Committee of the CPSU Communist, and then the head of the economy of the main body of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the newspaper Pravda.
                      For such ideologically important posts anyhow they did not appoint.
                      So how did it happen? What, there were "real communists" who did not see the future traitors and restorers? Well, okay, they did not see one, well, two .... but in order not to see hundreds - this is necessary for the "real communists" to be struck by mass blindness. And deafness. Well, why then were they needed, so blind and deaf? To be deaf and blind and to elect future restorers of capitalism to ever higher and higher party posts is the most real base betrayal. Or "real communists" were seized by all-Union indifference? Even worse !!! Or maybe the party just degenerated so much that "real communists" deliberately nominated and chose from among their midst the same "real communists" - Gorbachev, Ligachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin and other restorers of capitalism? And the first and second and third for the country are equally bad. So why blame the mirror now ...
    2. +3
      12 September 2019 11: 16
      It's simple.
      It so happened in Russia that the highest officials rule in it, and their health is restored in Europe.
      Or the money (acquired by overwork for the good of the Motherland) is stored in the local banks.
      That’s the whole short story.
      Those. The conclusion suggests itself - in Russia, with the exception of rare moments, there was not a single patriot in the country's leadership.
    3. -3
      13 September 2019 09: 27
      Quote: kjhg
      The emperor knew more than all of us and refused this.
      He knew more, but did he know less about the reasons for the Crimean War (1853-1856)? Maybe it wasn't about the "reel"? ...
  4. +1
    12 September 2019 07: 16
    the geyropa has always been against Russia ... it was so, it will be so!
  5. -2
    12 September 2019 10: 46
    God .... how many times could they take Constantinople, I can’t count anymore. The Turks are undeservedly lucky. Still.
  6. +3
    12 September 2019 10: 50
    Another portion of pseudo-historical agitation from Samsonov.
    Firstly, the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829. cannot be taken out of the historical context and considered on its own, as it is part of a whole complex of international contradictions of the late XVIII - early XX centuries associated with the struggle of Austria (Austria-Hungary), Great Britain, Prussia (Germany), Russia, Italy, France, and then the United States for the division of possessions of the decrepit Ottoman Empire - the Eastern question.
    In a narrower sense, this is the Eastern crisis of 1820, which began in 1821 with the uprising in Greece.
    Therefore, the consideration of the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829. and the Treaty of Andrianople of 1829, outside of these events and without considering all the diplomatic struggle that preceded the war, paints a picture that is completely inconsistent with the course of historical events, but is regularly done by pseudo-historians - propagandists of the turbopatriotic wing, exaggerating the thesis that in 1829 Russia won victory, but suffered a geopolitical defeat. "
    And in 1829 Petersburg was not afraid of the opinion of “enlightened Europe” and did not refuse to solve the centuries-old task, and by concluding the Andrianopol Treaty he summed up the logical and achievable at that time outcome of diplomatic and military efforts of the previous decade.
    1. +5
      12 September 2019 11: 24
      nevertheless, formulate - what prevented the occupation of Constantinople?
      1. +5
        12 September 2019 12: 56
        It is not difficult to formulate this - the common sense that Nicholas I was guided by, being well aware of the circumstances in which Dibich had to persuade the Turks to sign the conditions of the Andrianopol Treaty and what the military confrontation cost.
        The tsar understood that it was possible to capture Constantinople, but there were no resources to hold it. The only gain for Russia from such a seizure would be a confrontation with a coalition of all other claimants to the Turkish inheritance. The author's slogan: "Thus, Russia had no real opponents in 1829" is nothing more than an agitational exclamation. Exactly 25 years have passed and the Crimean War has shown well Russia's ability to resist a coalition of European countries.
        It is no accident that Nicholas I changed his approach to the Eastern question long before 1828 and, unlike his predecessors, set the task of gaining control of the Straits not by capturing Constantinople, but by increasing Russia's influence in the Balkans. And given this statement of the question - the Andrianopol Treaty - an undoubted success that consolidated the diplomatic success achieved during the conclusion of the St. Petersburg Protocol of 1826 with England and the London Convention of 1827 between Russia, England and France on the future structure of Greece.
        1. +3
          12 September 2019 13: 54
          So turbopatriota-munerator pulled up. Well, these would definitely occupy Constantinople. Only no one gives.
        2. -1
          12 September 2019 13: 58
          And given this statement of the question - the Andrianopol Treaty - an undoubted success that consolidated the diplomatic success achieved during the conclusion of the St. Petersburg Protocol 1826 of the year with England and the London Convention 1827 between Russia, England and France on the future structure of Greece.

          Tactical success when there was no coalition, or the soil for its formation, in contrast to the period of the Crimean War, which
          It showed well Russia's ability to withstand a coalition of European countries.

          Of course, whether or not to take Constantinople now this question will always be hypothetical, we know what those who made real decisions in 1829 could not know,
          the same as the "cross on St. Sophia" in 1915
          Here it’s difficult to judge in haste, as well as to condemn Nikolai Pavlovich, but on the whole, whose rule has already proved to be a failure.
          1. +4
            12 September 2019 14: 11
            Nevertheless, those who made the decision in 1829 understood perfectly well that the "cross on Hagia Sophia" would immediately lead to the creation of a coalition against Russia from all the other contenders for the ruins of Turkey, with corresponding consequences.
            For some reason, it does not even occur to the apologists for the capture of Constantinople to try to imagine how Russia could keep Constantinople and the straits at the expense of it, if after 25 years it could not ensure the retention of one city on its own territory and even lost the opportunity to have a fleet in the Black Sea. In addition, do you think that the entire population of Istanbul and the Ottoman Empire together would side with Russia?
            1. +2
              12 September 2019 15: 27
              Do you think that the entire population of Istanbul and the Ottoman Empire would unanimously go over to the side of Russia?

              I, that you, of course not.
              Danilevsky wrote on this about the Greeks and Constantinople: if Russia had returned to Byzantium, it would have immediately become Russia's enemies.
              Although I am sure that Constantinople was not occupied in 1829, as in 1833, for reasons not of foresight and calculation, but current: legitimism, especially in 1833.
              Hypothetically, only now I thought, maybe if they had occupied and there would have been no siege of Sevastopol?
              But "if so if only ..."
              1. +5
                12 September 2019 15: 56
                Hypothetically, only now I thought, maybe if they had occupied and there would have been no siege of Sevastopol?
                Or it would have happened much earlier.
                After all, as soon as Russia in 1833 concluded the Unkar-Iskelesi treaty with Turkey (which the fighters for the Straits and Constantinople usually do not mention), according to which Turkey agreed, in the event of a war with Russia, by any of the European powers, to close the Dardanelles to the enemy fleet, as the European powers immediately began to unite to combat the influence of Russia in the East. England and France immediately forgot their mutual contradictions and sharply cooled to Russia. And despite the fact that in the Turkish-Egyptian war of 1839-1841 Russia, Great Britain, France, Austria and Prussia acted as a united front on the side of Turkey, after the expiration of the Unkar-Iskelesi treaty in 1841, the London Convention on Straits of 1841, which restored the "status quo" and deprived Russia of all its advantages.
                1. 0
                  12 September 2019 16: 12
                  1841 is not 1833 - European countries really had their problems, not up to Russia and coalitions, which gave Nicholas I the confidence to start the 1853 war, he was sure that the union of France and England was not possible, and Austria and Prussia looked into our mouths to the king.
                  1. +4
                    12 September 2019 16: 24
                    It is somehow not really believed that Nicholas I did not understand that Austria would never support his idea of ​​separating the Balkan possessions of the Ottoman Empire from the Orthodox population.
                    1. +1
                      12 September 2019 16: 33
                      It is difficult to say that he understood or did not understand, but the documents about this are silent, I already quoted here in the VO:
                      “I will tell you that the most stupid Polish king was Jan Sobieski, because he freed Vienna from the Turks. And the most stupid of the Russian sovereigns, ”added His Majesty,“ I, because I helped the Austrians suppress the Hungarian rebellion. "
                      Nicholas - Adjutant General Count Rzhevussky.
                      hi
                      1. +2
                        12 September 2019 17: 14
                        Tarle in the same book "The Crimean War" has a more capacious characterization of Nicholas I: “Let us recall at least briefly the main features of Nicholas’s diplomatic activities and moods before the beginning of the final catastrophe and, first of all, we will try to understand for ourselves what were the strengths and weaknesses of him as a diplomat. Strengths were: some ability to diplomatic activity, the ability to negotiate in the appropriate tone , the ability (which he later lost) to understand the mistake in time and turn from a dangerous path, the ability (also lost in the last years of his reign) to wait patiently, not losing sight of the goal, but also not forcing events, finally, the desire to try to achieve the desired result in a purely diplomatic way, without resorting to war. As for his weaknesses as the head of the foreign policy of the empire, one of the main ones was his deep, truly impenetrable, all-round, if I may say so, ignorance. "
                        Based on this promise, the reign of Nicholas I was a priori doomed to failure. 30 years at the helm of the country impassable ignoramus - imagine?
                      2. 0
                        12 September 2019 20: 02
                        It’s hard to disagree with you and Tarle.
                      3. 0
                        12 September 2019 22: 42
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Based on this promise, the reign of Nicholas I was a priori doomed to failure. 30 years at the helm of the country impassable ignoramus - imagine?

                        I totally agree! But you are modest about 30 years ..

                        And this is not difficult to notice, because not a single war was won from 1812 until the very end of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1917! The last century of RI is the story of the collapse of the empire. The last adequate ruler was Catherine. Further and to the end - the reign of mediocrity and ignoramus, the Romanovs could not give birth to others.
                      4. -2
                        12 September 2019 22: 59
                        Have you studied history in the basement? After 1812, there were the conquered Caucasus, and the annexed Turkestan, and the liberated Balkans
                      5. 0
                        12 September 2019 23: 03
                        Have you even read the article? What did RI receive from the liberation of the Balkans? Hatred of the Bulgarians? Well, to compare the resistance of small tribes in the Caucasus with the war, even you should be ridiculous .. Yes, the empire defeated a couple of villages and settlements there .. Is this an achievement?
                      6. 0
                        12 September 2019 23: 07
                        Here you agree with the Minister of Foreign Affairs Nikolai Pavlovich Neselrode. He also believed that it was not worth dropping the power of the Turks in the Balkans, the governments that came to replace the Turks would be worse. Which, in principle, has become the case with the ever-anti-Russian Bulgaria and Romania. So since you agree with the king in his policy, what is he to you a loser with? :-)
                      7. -1
                        12 September 2019 23: 12
                        Quote: Pissarro
                        Neselrode. He also believed that it was not worth dropping the power of the Turks in the Balkans, the Turks who had come in place

                        Where do I agree with him? Austria was promised Montenegro several times and thrown several times. The tsar could have joined half of Turkey instead of the Balkans with the same Bulgarians and Romanians. And you saw the real result .. I conquered everything, but I gave it all myself. Why not a loser?
        3. +2
          12 September 2019 22: 57
          Quote: Undecim
          Exactly 25 years passed and the Crimean War showed well the ability of Russia to withstand a coalition of European countries.

          It’s just that Nicholas I created this coalition with his own hands, openly discussing the war against Turkey with Austria and simultaneously with Turkey and Prussia the war against Austria and possibly France. One must be incredibly stubborn ignoramus in order to put England and France fiercely hating each other in the same boat. Nicholas I dealt with this!

          Well, this mediocre king personally finished off me with his petty stupid economy. Nicholas increased his army but reduced spending on it! For the first time, famine and scurvy appeared in the army of the Republic of Ingushetia in peacetime, loss of 20% of hunger and disease in peacetime! Losses from diseases in the Crimean were terrible at all! One word is a loser.
          1. 0
            12 September 2019 23: 10
            Could you tell me more when and with whom Nikolai was discussing the war against Austria? It was the commitment to the sacred union with Austria that summed it up
      2. +2
        13 September 2019 21: 18
        "nevertheless, formulate - what prevented the occupation of Constantinople?" ////
        -----
        Taking a huge city is not easy. This is a siege.
        Need artillery, stock of shells. Reserves. Communications
        for the transport of food, ammunition. Protection of roads.
        From "Cossack patrols seen near the city"
        to capture the city - a long distance.
        The British tried to swiftly take Istanbul in the 1st World War -
        nothing came of it.
        1. +2
          13 September 2019 21: 25
          Quote: voyaka uh
          From "Cossack patrols seen near the city"
          to capture the city - a long distance

          The Germans also saw the towers of the Kremlin with binoculars in 1941)
  7. -1
    12 September 2019 15: 47
    Quote: rocket757
    the geyropa has always been against Russia ... it was so, it will be so!

    was not, and you, surprisingly, yourself are part of Europe. What a revelation.
    1. 0
      12 September 2019 23: 12
      Well, it's probably in Asia, Russia is part of Europe. You can see it from there through the muddy glass. Neither culturally, nor mentally, nor historically has Russia ever been Europe. Other values, other conditions for building statehood, absolutely everything else
  8. +1
    12 September 2019 15: 48
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Aldmit_2
    What of this, besides the Black Sea coast, remains with Russia?

    Nothing. But this is already done in 1917-1940 yyy non-Russian.

    apparently, nerus is clearly better than ill-mannered with brainwashed.
    1. +1
      12 September 2019 22: 03
      He lives with his luminous Russian Empire, the hellish Russian Empire, the infernal USSR, and a wonderful day
  9. +1
    12 September 2019 15: 48
    Quote: demo
    It's simple.
    It so happened in Russia that the highest officials rule in it, and their health is restored in Europe.
    Or the money (acquired by overwork for the good of the Motherland) is stored in the local banks.
    That’s the whole short story.
    Those. The conclusion suggests itself - in Russia, with the exception of rare moments, there was not a single patriot in the country's leadership.

    rather it happened that the rulers were foreigners. Only in this situation (the German Empress), the Republic of Ingushetia reached the peak of military and political power.
  10. +1
    12 September 2019 15: 49
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    God .... how many times could they take Constantinople, I can’t count anymore. The Turks are undeservedly lucky. Still.

    "could" not equal "would take".
  11. 0
    12 September 2019 15: 50
    Quote: Undecim
    Another portion of pseudo-historical agitation from Samsonov.
    Firstly, the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829. cannot be taken out of the historical context and considered on its own, as it is part of a whole complex of international contradictions of the late XVIII - early XX centuries associated with the struggle of Austria (Austria-Hungary), Great Britain, Prussia (Germany), Russia, Italy, France, and then the United States for the division of possessions of the decrepit Ottoman Empire - the Eastern question.
    In a narrower sense, this is the Eastern crisis of 1820, which began in 1821 with the uprising in Greece.
    Therefore, the consideration of the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829. and the Treaty of Andrianople of 1829, outside of these events and without considering all the diplomatic struggle that preceded the war, paints a picture that is completely inconsistent with the course of historical events, but is regularly done by pseudo-historians - propagandists of the turbopatriotic wing, exaggerating the thesis that in 1829 Russia won victory, but suffered a geopolitical defeat. "
    And in 1829 Petersburg was not afraid of the opinion of “enlightened Europe” and did not refuse to solve the centuries-old task, and by concluding the Andrianopol Treaty he summed up the logical and achievable at that time outcome of diplomatic and military efforts of the previous decade.

    well said!
  12. +1
    12 September 2019 15: 52
    Quote: Edward Vashchenko
    And given this statement of the question - the Andrianopol Treaty - an undoubted success that consolidated the diplomatic success achieved during the conclusion of the St. Petersburg Protocol 1826 of the year with England and the London Convention 1827 between Russia, England and France on the future structure of Greece.

    Tactical success when there was no coalition, or the soil for its formation, in contrast to the period of the Crimean War, which
    It showed well Russia's ability to withstand a coalition of European countries.

    Of course, whether or not to take Constantinople now this question will always be hypothetical, we know what those who made real decisions in 1829 could not know,
    the same as the "cross on St. Sophia" in 1915
    Here it’s difficult to judge in haste, as well as to condemn Nikolai Pavlovich, but on the whole, whose rule has already proved to be a failure.

    Well, I wouldn’t say that it’s a direct failure. It depends on what. Domestic policy - yes, he slapped the moment of reform and the industrial revolution, but foreign was more likely successful. Even despite the future Crimean.
  13. 0
    12 September 2019 16: 36
    There is one question for careful comrades. Imagine that
    Constantinople was taken by Russian troops. It means complete
    control of the Bosphorus from Russia. In this situation
    no French and English troops in Crimea turn out to be
    can. Unless they fly in balloons. Respectively,
    there could be no siege of Sevastopol in principle. Exactly
    understanding of this state of affairs was the reason for this
    desperate bustle from the Europeans. Really fight with
    Russia at that moment they did not break.
  14. +1
    12 September 2019 20: 56
    Stop dreaming at the feet of the American king.
  15. -1
    12 September 2019 22: 48
    Quote: borys
    There is one question for careful comrades. Imagine that
    Constantinople was taken by Russian troops. It means complete
    control of the Bosphorus from Russia. In this situation
    no French and English troops in Crimea turn out to be
    can. Unless they fly in balloons. Respectively,
    there could be no siege of Sevastopol in principle. Exactly
    understanding of this state of affairs was the reason for this
    desperate bustle from the Europeans. Really fight with
    Russia at that moment they did not break.

    Yes, and then they did not break, fought without much enthusiasm and as a result did not get anything, even based on the results. On the other hand, it would be clearly preferable to besiege Constantinople than to fight in Crimea.
  16. 0
    12 September 2019 22: 49
    Quote: Kronos
    He lives with his luminous Russian Empire, the hellish Russian Empire, the infernal USSR, and a wonderful day

    it seems like that. Old Karlin correctly spoke, it is necessary to have critical thinking and to question everything around. Do not take a word.
  17. +1
    12 September 2019 23: 23
    Quote: Pissarro
    Well, it's probably in Asia, Russia is part of Europe. You can see it from there through the muddy glass. Neither culturally, nor mentally, nor historically has Russia ever been Europe. Other values, other conditions for building statehood, absolutely everything else

    what nonsense? This is you, let me know, from the drawer heard from what nightingale? or read in a textbook? Let's start with the fact that the Russian language is the same Indo-European as almost all Europeans, and we end on the close ties of the Slavs and their descendants with other neighbors their entire history. One culture, closely interwoven history, even the modern state is built on the German principles of absolutism. So do not be here.
    1. 0
      13 September 2019 00: 18
      Comrade, do not disgrace. Persians speak Farsi and it is also an Indo-European language. By your logic, is Pers a European? :-)
      Further, our statehood was more than a thousand years old and during this time, relations with Asia and the steppe were closer than with Europe, which began to be imitated three hundred years ago with the tyrant Peter and, thank God, the corruptive influence of the West affected only the elite, which the people dared 200 years later. So she is the Europeans, they dumped them in Paris.
      Autocracy, in essence, is closer to the Asian type, where the king is beyond jurisdiction and answers only to God. In the West, the Pope gave out crowns

      And so in everything
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    1. 0
      14 September 2019 02: 43
      Under the European Catherine, the country's population was reduced to the level of a slave, and the elite in the person of the nobles to the level of the parasite was placed. A clear dawn for unhealthy brains. And before Peter, the supposedly backward eastern state had already rested in the Pacific Ocean.
      It’s always fun to look at the victims of Eurocentrism. Miserable servility in the West and blindness are ridiculous.

      By the way, the lackeys under Ekatirin led by Pugachev rebelled. Again, your slender theory cracked)
  19. 0
    14 September 2019 03: 27
    Quote: Pissarro
    Under the European Catherine, the country's population was reduced to the level of a slave, and the elite in the person of the nobles to the level of the parasite was placed. A clear dawn for unhealthy brains. And before Peter, the supposedly backward eastern state had already rested in the Pacific Ocean.
    It’s always fun to look at the victims of Eurocentrism. Miserable servility in the West and blindness are ridiculous.

    By the way, the lackeys under Ekatirin led by Pugachev rebelled. Again, your slender theory cracked)

    I don’t want to ruin your cozy little world, but I have to. Slavery was introduced even before Peter even, especially when St. George's Day was canceled. Suddenly, huh? The nobles ceased to be obliged to perform military service thanks to the manifesto of Peter the Third, for a second, but under Katka they still served excellently and many went down in history. By the way, culturally the country also flourished under it and later, again suddenly. And the backward eastern state before Peter had a backward army and zero fleet, as well as a chopped-off unprofitable trade, and if it were not for Peter's reforms, there would be nothing to compete with the Swedes - especially after the merged Livonian war. Yes, and the Turks began to butt successfully only after the reforms, and yes, again this is a revelation, but it was under Katka that they began to pinch them, before the Ottoman vassals burned Moscow and controlled the entire Black Sea, and could not do anything with them. Surprise surprise. It’s always fun to look at the uneducated and ignorant indigenous, it’s a pleasure. Today it’s not fashionable to be educated, it’s already clear.

    By the way, the slaves rebelled (SUDDENLY) perfectly before her, and under Ivan, and Alexei Mikhailovich .... it is extremely surprising, right? And what were the boyars as patriots before Peter, and in general, a direct example to follow, the patriots are right that the current government is so patriots that they called the Polish prince to the kingdom. The beauty.
    1. -1
      14 September 2019 03: 48
      I love when an opponent who has landed in a puddle begins to poke and get nervous. )
      Russia is not Europe, do not push too much. And the Tatars were beaten, and the Poles, and (suddenly) the Turks near Azov, Astrakhan, And went to the Crimea. And the miserable acquisitions of Peter, who (suddenly) ridge from the Turks did not compare with the acquisitions of Ivan the Terrible (do not remember Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberia)
      I understand that in the remote villages of Asia it’s hard with books, but read, maybe it’s not too late yet. Understand that not all Europeans living west of the village. They differ from each other, even though they have similar faces)
  20. +1
    16 September 2019 12: 49
    This resolution meant the rejection of Petersburg from the fruits of victory, which brought her the victory of the Russian army. Tsar Nicholas did not allow Dibich to take Constantinople.
    Dashkov drafted resolutions based on the views of the Emperor himself.
    It was Nicholas I who considered the Ottoman Empire an important element of European equilibrium. He believed that the Ottoman Empire would better ensure the interests of the Russian Empire than the conglomerate of the Balkan states that would arise as a result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
    Moreover, our army was almost all sick. Of the 200-hundredths of our army, about 10 thousand were killed, died from wounds - another about 5 thousand, died from diseases - 110 thousand.
    15 thousand were killed by the Turks, another 5 thousand died from wounds, but died from diseases half as much as ours, only 60 thousand.
    The destruction of the Turkish Empire, the old historical enemy of Russia, which the West regularly set us against, was beneficial to St. Petersburg, in the national interest.

    What does regular mean? Announce the entire list, please, these "regular attacks of the Ottoman Empire on Russia."
    Russia could form more “convenient” neighbors. Give full freedom to the Balkan peoples, half a century earlier to free Bulgaria,

    And the Balkans would be mired in internecine wars. While there were Turks - there was a common enemy. But as soon as the Turkish factor would disappear (for example, the Second Balkan War) - everyone (Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Macedonians, Croats, Wallachians, etc.) would immediately remember that they hate each other no less than the Turks.
    annex the historical lands of Georgia and Western Armenia.

    Why are you from Russia trying to make some kind of monster seeking to capture everything and everyone.
    Occupy Constantinople and the straits, turning the Black Sea into a "Russian lake", providing protection for the southwestern strategic direction. Get access to the Eastern Mediterranean.

    Dreams Dreams. The Greeks and Bulgarians wanted to possess Constantinople. And even the Serbs.
    And with the fleet we had, to put it mildly, not very well. In addition, many of our ships took part in the Battle of Navarino on October 20, 1827. Battleships: "Azov" (flagship) (commander - Captain 1st Rank Lazarev, Mikhail Petrovich); "Gangut" (commander - Captain 2nd Rank AP Avinov); "Ezekiel" (commander - Captain 2nd Rank II Svinkin); "Alexander Nevsky" (commander - Captain 2nd Rank L. F. Bogdanovich)
    Frigates: “Agile” (commander - captain-lieutenant I.P. Yepanchin); “Konstantin” (S.P. Khrushchov); "Elena" (commander - lieutenant commander N.P. Yepanchin); "Castor" (commander - Captain-Lieutenant I. S. Sytin) and the corvette "Thundering" (commander - Captain-Lieutenant A. N. Kolyubakin).
    At the same time, they were seriously damaged: LK Azov - 153 holes, of which seven are below the waterline, all masts, posts and yards were broken, sails were shot through, rigging was broken. It was repaired in Malta, arrived in Kronstadt, where it was dismantled in 1831.
    lx Gangut received 51 holes.
    The frigate "Agile" did not receive any special damage in the battle, but on October 11, 1827 a fresh wind piled the frigate onto the ship "Alexander Nevsky", as a result of which its stern was damaged. Also dismantled in Kronstadt in 1831.
    That is, we won, we won, and even did not lose anyone scuttled, but a number of our ships were seriously damaged. We could not confront England and France at sea at that time.
  21. 0
    1 October 2019 21: 03
    As usual, the most losing side in this war was Russia, which again raked the heat not for itself, solving the problems of the Austrians, Bulgarians and anyone else but their own.