The UEC announced the creation of a line of power plants to replace Ukrainian

Russia managed to find a replacement for Ukrainian power plants for the ships of the Russian Navy under construction. The creation of a line of Russian engines was reported in an interview with RIA News Deputy General Director - General Designer of UEC Yuri Shmotin.

As explained by Yuri Shmotin, the United Engine Company (UEC) was able to create a line of Russian power plants for Russian Navy ships instead of Ukrainian ones that have not been delivered to Russia since 2014. According to him, the gap in military-technical cooperation between the countries led to a problem with the supply of gas turbine engines, which in turn led to a disruption in the construction of warships for fleet. As an example, he cited three frigates of Project 11356 of the Admiral Series, which were not completed due to the lack of power plants manufactured by Zorya-Mashproekt.

Now a line of gas turbine engines of various powers has been created, which will be produced at the ODK-Saturn Rybinsk plant.

UEC completed work on the order of the Ministry of Defense to develop basic gas turbine engines for the Russian Navy from eight thousand horsepower to 25 thousand horsepower. These are the M70 family engines for both Zubr and Murena hovercraft class aircrafts, as well as the highly anticipated M90FR engine for ships of the 22350 and 20386 projects

- said Shmotin, adding that these engines make it possible to form almost the entire range of power units for the ships of the Russian Navy and to close the needs of the Ministry of Defense.

Earlier it was reported that the frigates of the 22350 project would be the first Russian power plants.

Recall that the problems with the supply of power plants from Ukraine began in the 2014 year, after Poroshenko’s order to completely ban any military-technical cooperation with Russia.

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[Honest Citizen]

As explained by Yuri Shmotin, the United Engine Company (UEC) managed to create a line of Russian power plants for Russian Navy ships instead of Ukrainian ones that have not been delivered to Russia since 2014.

Until the thunder struck, MO did not cross ...
This, in fact, had to be puzzled immediately after the collapse of the USSR

[210ox]

Firstly, it was not "managed to find a replacement", but to create new gas turbines. Secondly, it was done at least a year ago.

[17085]

Do you seriously think that mass production of several types of power plants can be organized and implemented in 5 years ?!

[lucul]

Do you seriously think that mass production of several types of power plants can be organized and implemented in 5 years ?!

Why not ?
It's all about organization ....

[17085]

Quote: lucul

Do you seriously think that mass production of several types of power plants can be organized and implemented in 5 years ?!

Why not ?
It's all about organization ....

Factory buildings can be built. Engineers can buy the necessary computers and software. Machine tools can be bought. Even ready-made projects can be bought.
Where to get the engineers? Who will stand behind the machines?

[lucul]

Factory buildings can be built. Engineers can buy the necessary computers and software. Machine tools can be bought. Even ready-made projects can be bought.
Where to get the engineers? Who will stand behind the machines?

Do not tell people ....
As practice shows, five (5 !!!) EXPLANED engineers are enough for any plant and they will stretch the entire plant.
This is how Europeans opened their
production in China in the 90s.

[APASUS]

Quote: lucul

Do not tell people ....
As practice shows, five (5 !!!) EXPLANED engineers are enough for any plant and they will stretch the entire plant.
This is how Europeans opened their
production in China in the 90s.

As I understand it, China does not have problems with engineers, but they can’t copy our aircraft engine corny, and why would it suddenly?

[hydrox]

The Chinese have a problem in another:
They copy dvigun - how to send 2 bytes - they have been doing this for about 50 years (since they began to gain momentum) and have achieved significant success in this craft.
But then came a new stage - the selection of technological processes - and it was here that they ran aground - they do not have 100-200-year-old technological schools with their own achievements and OWN personnel!
Our liberals, who penetrated to the management of production, were also sick with this: at the end of the 90s (during the Renaissance with our enemies) they innocently thought what kind of pliability and "what will you please?" In Russia, modern technologies will appear from the hands of enemies, and on the basis of this idiotic postulate, the topics of technological schools in the academic belt of implementation were abandoned and closed - the eyes began to take off only in the middle of the previous decade - this is where the legs of today's military-industrial complex successes grow.

[17085]

Maybe someone is funny, but to me, not really.
If we talk about engineers. It may be enough for assembly from the supplied components, but not for production from scratch. If you also maintain and be responsible for maintenance, they should be a company. They, in the sense of sensible, are usually already occupied.
When it comes to rugged masters, then at least sob. I don’t have them ... Today, an outlet appeared, masters from Ukraine trampled on, but there are too few of them, they are more likely to go to work in Dubai. Teach your own - a long time.
Therefore, I say that they started to create not yesterday and not five years ago, but all ten and not from scratch, Saturn did not appear yesterday.

[Astronaut]

Where to get the engineers?

From the same "Zorya-Mashproekt".

[hydrox]

There’s nowhere to get engineers, but it’s a shame to call what graduates from universities and engineers say, a few percent come out of a good product — the exam continues to trickle from the rest. So, there is a gap between teachers at universities as well: young teachers are not at all aware of what technologies are used today in the manufacturing sector, which have outlived their time, and which are sorely lacking (separately by industry and enterprise !!).
And digitalization, which the executive branch is sick with, is not a technology, but merely a tool for organizing production, and not a technological process of making a profit as a result of the application of labor to the subject of processing that becomes a GOOD.

[210ox]

The article does not talk about "mass production". Moreover, these products can be said to be piece. And yes, I think that it is possible. When a roasted rooster bites. And he did.

[JD1979]

Quote: 17085

Do you seriously think that mass production of several types of power plants can be organized and implemented in 5 years ?!

This is just a gas turbine engine. Considering that technology has design experience. In your opinion, the launch of the first satellite in 1957 (the creation of the entire infrastructure from scratch + a complete lack of experience) is generally beyond reality.

[rocket757]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Until the thunder struck, MO did not cross ...
This, in fact, had to be puzzled immediately after the collapse of the USSR

Actually, this is not MO, they are just consumers. These are production affairs, industry ... now, as it were, commercial affairs, with the participation of something state there!
Those. it dawned on anyone from above that there was nothing good to wait for from somewhere! Okay, even so.
Now do not stop and develop production facilities! In addition to designing / testing, it is also necessary to produce, with due dates, quality and price !!!

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Honest Citizen

As explained by Yuri Shmotin, the United Engine Company (UEC) managed to create a line of Russian power plants for Russian Navy ships instead of Ukrainian ones that have not been delivered to Russia since 2014.

Until the thunder struck, MO did not cross ...
This, in fact, had to be puzzled immediately after the collapse of the USSR

To be objective, after 2004 and the Orange Revolution. Until 2004, Ukraine was almost like Belarus in terms of adequacy. The Westerners, with their Bandera ideology, could not even dream that they could conquer the eastern banks of the Dnieper. I remember how people in embroidery were looked at as fools even in Kiev. Commercials in 2000. Either Russian culture or globalist culture prevailed. I will never forget how Kuchma put Andrey Shkil, a participant of the action "Ukraine without Kuchma", in an embroidered shirt. He wore an embroidered shirt all the time, and everyone laughed at him. After 2014, there was no laughing matter.
And in the 90 years of Russia was not up to the industry.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

it was necessary to

In hindsight, we are all smart. Did you know for sure that after the collapse of the USSR, such an ass will happen in / in Ukraine? There were brothers-Slavs, "peace, friendship, gum ..."

[Honest Citizen]

In hindsight, we are all smart. Did you know for sure that after the collapse of the USSR in / in Ukraine such an ass will happen?

Stepan
But you tried to think with your head?
Well, or play chess?
A challenge for a third-grade student in a school for children with disabilities.
There is one planet and there is one state on it. Do people need to eat? Do I need to be treated? Do you need to move from city to city? Do you need to work for this?
You answer these questions for yourself.
In the world of globalism - these industries are trying to "spread" on different sides, so that everyone would be "tied". The USSR, as a country, was declared by Reagan as an "evil empire". Those. after the collapse of the USSR, in your opinion, Russia should not have taken these factors into account?
I quote Stalin: "You are either the enemy or ...".
PS And here, in hindsight, there is no need to think. It is necessary to think realities. I'm afraid you are not capable of this.

[Honest Citizen]

Of those who put "minus" - to justify weakly?

[Wiruz]

They just don’t like non-fanatics here
Glory to the Navy! Glory to the Army! Glory to Caliber-NK!

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Wiruz

They just don’t like non-fanatics here
Glory to the Navy! Glory to the Army! Glory to Caliber-NK!

it's not about fanaticism or its absence.
the fact is that it’s not necessary to be rude
Py.Sy. I didn’t set you a minus

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Of those who put "minus" - to justify weakly?

I put minus very rarely - but almost all - for blatant rudeness / rudeness

and generally surprised: I periodically see your comments and there you are not at all like that, I often give you a plus, but not now

substantiated?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

But you tried to think with your head?
Well, or play chess?
Problem for a third-grade student in a school for children with disabilities.
There is one planet and there is one state on it. Do people need to eat? Do I need to be treated? Do you need to move from city to city? Do you need to work for this?
You answer these questions for yourself.
In the world of globalism - these industries are trying to "spread" on different sides, so that everyone would be "tied". The USSR, as a country, was declared by Reagan as an "evil empire". Those. after the collapse of the USSR, in your opinion, Russia should not have taken these factors into account?
I quote Stalin: "You are either the enemy or ...".
PS And here, in hindsight, there is no need to think. It is necessary to think realities. I'm afraid you are not capable of this.

Answer without rudeness, no way (emphasis)? Then here you are indignant about the "cons".
Well, where were you then such "big-headed, capable thinkers"? Now on each article comments like a blueprint - "it was necessary." It doesn't take much mind to do this when you know exactly what happened.

[Honest Citizen]

Stepan
You can’t answer without rudeness.
What made you so angry? The alignment of positions in which the state can be considered "independent", or the fact that you were poked with your face in your ... waste of life?

PS Have you finished fourth? Sorry, I didn’t know ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Stepan
You can’t answer without rudeness.
What made you so angry? The alignment of positions in which the state can be considered "independent", or the fact that you were poked with your face in your ... waste of life?

PS Have you finished fourth? Sorry, I didn’t know ...

You continue to be rude and do not even notice your rudeness. Are you positioning yourself here in the role of a "poker"?

[Honest Citizen]

So I "poked" you somewhere? Proof in the studio.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

So I "poked" you somewhere? Proof in the studio.

This is your boorish phrase I had in mind.

you poked face in your ... waste

[Honest Citizen]

And in what am I mistaken, in the light of the foregoing in general? That you do not want to think? It's your problems.
Or have you been puzzled by the puzzle? Well, if she really baffled you, then I have no words at all.
And, by the way, before your "my" quote - you were and are not able to say anything intelligible. Repeat?
Well, sorry.
I personally recommend that you improve your education. There is no superfluous knowledge.

[figwam]

Balabol noble ...

[Honest Citizen]

Balabol noble ...

Stepan? Yes, definitely!

[Den717]

Quote: Honest Citizen

But you tried to think with your head?

You yourself do not really succeed. You think one rather narrow problem. And after the collapse of the 90s a lot of such problems. And, perhaps, it is reasonable to solve problems in order of priority of the tasks facing the country. You, too, do not close all financial problems with one monthly salary. And for the state, these turbines, of course, are important, but there are more important tasks that require a priority solution.

[Honest Citizen]

You, too, do not close all financial problems with one monthly salary. And for the state, these turbines, of course, are important

Well, I don’t pretend to be the Russian government ... but ... you know better ...

[Den717]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Well, I don’t pretend to be a Russian government

You should not call people to what you do not own.

[Honest Citizen]

You should not call people to what you do not own.

Hmm .. If the level of VO has slipped to yours - probably it's time to run away from here.
You, personally, what is incomprehensible?
That the state, if it wants to be considered independent, must have:
1) food security
2) industrial safety
3) energy security
4) educational safety
5) state replenishment (birth exceeds mortality)
Is it so hard to understand Step and you?
Those. if I, who does not run the state, understand THIS, but you don’t - does this mean that I am "guano"? No, my dears - you are "guano".
And if neither you, nor Styopa understand this - this is really not your problem, for you are not citizens of the state, you are its consumers.
Let it be minuscule, let it be blocked - but I will say bluntly - you are enemies of the Russian state.

[Den717]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Hmm ..

I spoke with you correctly enough, but you are in a hurry to insult everyone who disagrees with you. Moreover, in addition to common truths, you are not saying anything new, original. This is your level of thinking. It seems that it’s too early for you to have a conversation about high matters, learn how to start respecting someone else’s opinion, maybe you should earn respect for it someday, in the future ...

[g1v2]

After the collapse of the USSR, 20 thousand Ukrainian enterprises that produced products worked for the general defense industry. At the time of Maidan, 14 years old, there were 926 items of Ukrainian products to import for our defense industry. 20 thousand turned into 926 not on their own. The process was going on but it was a matter of far from first importance. Given that almost no ships were built in the 90s and zero, impot substitution of equipment for them was far from the first priority.

[Alexey from Perm]

maybe it was better not to ruin the USSR?

[Old bun]

Good news. Now it is up to the timely deployment of production capacities and the production itself, planned, naturally. but what about the gearboxes? they seemed to have major troubles with them.

[Artemiy_2]

Gearboxes are ready. In September, they will go to Saturn. In winter, the third 22350 GEM will receive

[Destiny]

The United Engine Company (UEC) was able to create a line of Russian power plants for Russian Navy ships instead of Ukrainian ones that have not been delivered to Russia since 2014.
Glory to God. Finally ..

[Artemiy_2]

Recently there was an interview with the director general of the northern shipyard. He said that the GEM Golovko will receive in December-January. In September, gearboxes from the star will go to Saturn. There all this is going to the GEM and in the winter comes to the ship

[Chaldon48]

That's fine, God forbid that they were of the right quality and produced in sufficient quantities.

[Mountain shooter]

The long-term epic has come to an end. How much effort and money had to be spent on this "import substitution" ...
And where to go? All military equipment must be produced in the country. We have no friends. In Russia, I mean.

[lucul]

UEC completed work on the order of the Ministry of Defense to develop basic gas turbine engines for the Russian Navy from eight thousand horsepower to 25 thousand horsepower.

Finally .....
Now we need to think about more powerful engines (more than 25 thousand hp) for destroyers and larger ships, including tankers.

[23424636]

Shmotin behaves like a journalist but not a techie. There are no first turbine replacements for 11356, so this series was simply given to the Hindus. There the turbine works both on march and afterburner. Such Rybinsk designers did not create. . do not pull, Nikolaev technologies have been worked out for more than 100 years since the time when the license was purchased from the English Vickers .. For frigates 22350 the turbine was created only for afterburner, for the march - Kolomna diesel engines. Secondly there are no deliveries. there is no installed and tested in real conditions. . Therefore, we will wait for their real work. On the established series. And then talk about the result.

[Kurare]

Quote: 23424636

There, the turbine runs on the march and afterburner. Such Rybinsk designers did not create. .not pulled

At 11356, the COGAG scheme is used, i.e. 2 x marching and 2 x afterburning gas turbine engines with a complex gear system. Those. these are two different types of turbines and the problem is not in the turbines, but in the gearbox.

Quote: 23424636

Nikolaev technologies have been worked out for more than 100 years since the time when the license was purchased from the English Vickers ..

Nobody bought a gas turbine engine from Vickers 100 years ago. They were not there 100 years ago!

The problem, both in 11356 and 22350, is the lack of gearboxes and stands for the tested entire propulsion. The problem is solved: there is a gas turbine engine, the first gearboxes have been made, tests are underway.

[Zaurbek]

They wrote that they are more expensive than the Ukrainians.

[Kontrik]

Quote: Zaurbek

They wrote that they are more expensive than the Ukrainians.

They lubricated with fat, and we ..
Nobody buys anything from them ... All sharks of the West have set their sights on fertile land! Zelensky promised to sell everything and arrange a sort of casino with girls all over the outskirts.

[Antares]

Quote: Kontrik

Nobody buys anything from them ..

India and China. Main customers of ZMP

[Kontrik]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Kontrik

Nobody buys anything from them ..

India and China. Main customers of ZMP

ZMP do not know what it is, but I smell the remnants of the Soviet past.
They are the last in line to plunder the Outskirts .. The first is USA Europe, etc.

And we Russia will have to see everything restored and launder from crap .. Fate is like that.

[mlad]

I’m completely confused, they do it for a long time, it’s bad, quickly done

[Kontrik]

I'm not sure about the replacement, but something new is quite possible ..
We are working in this direction and it pleases ..

[Dikson]

It would be interesting to take a look and compare the performance characteristics of units .. Ukrainian and our counterparts .. And so the article is just a statement of fact. They said that they managed to create a ruler. That is, design and execute in metal. Neither the timing of the manufacture of the unit, nor its characteristics, nor the number of gas turbines is clear.

[Angrybeard]

There gearboxes are needed. And with them a jamb. The production is almost on my knees, breathing frankly and while everything is very complicated there

[musorg]

And how many of them were delivered to the Navy?