Is Kazakhstan slipping into the anti-Chinese wave?

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On September 2, Kazakh President Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev at a joint meeting of the chambers of parliament delivered a message to the people. Tokaev presented the society with a specific program for modernizing the economy of the republic, strengthening state institutions, improving social welfare of the population, protecting the rights and freedoms of citizens.





Post-Message Protest


In his Address, the head of Kazakhstan answered many questions of concern to people. He promised, for example, from January 1 of January 2020 to launch a system of compulsory social health insurance, and to introduce a guaranteed social package for children from low-income families. President Tokayev emphasized the land theme that excites the population and stated that "our land will not be sold to foreigners, we will not allow this, speculation must be stopped on this issue."

Nevertheless, already on 2 of September, in the city of Zhanaozen of the Mangistau region, about a hundred citizens came to the building of the local city hall with a protest against the intergovernmental decision of Kazakhstan and China to build 55 plants in the agricultural sector, industry, construction industry, oil and gas sector and energy. The protesters demanded that Tokayev cancel the visit to China scheduled for September 11-12, during which this investment project should be finally agreed.

The next day, the number of protesters in Zhanaozen reached five hundred people. They were supported by residents of other large cities of Kazakhstan, including the capital, Almaty and Nur-Sultan. The authorities hastened to disavow the message on the construction of factories on joint projects with the Chinese 55 projects. Called this news "Rumors." Then they reluctantly admitted that in the framework agreement on strengthening cooperation in the field of industrialization and investment between the government of Kazakhstan and China, there really are 55 Kazakh-Chinese joint projects worth $ 27 billion. However, not all of them will be implemented in Kazakhstan, but, most importantly, among the proposed projects there are no “old and environmentally hazardous industries” that protesters are talking about.

Meanwhile, not this issue mentioned in the list of requirements brought people to rallies. The start of the current protests was laid by 42-year-old activist Askar Kairbek, who went out on August 18 to a single picket in Nur-Sultan. On his poster, Kairbek wrote “55 factories, return to China” and explained to reporters that “citizens of the republic will soon have to engage in slave labor in Chinese factories.”

Zhanaozen reminded of himself


But this topic is very close to the residents of Zhanaozen. They well remember the tragedy of 2011 of the year when people died during the riot suppression police operation. (The authorities counted 16 victims, the opposition - 150). The reason for the protests was a labor conflict in subsidiaries of the state oil and gas company KazMunayGas, located in the south-west of Kazakhstan in the Mangistau region (Karazhanbasmunai and Ozenmunaygaz).

Workers dissatisfied with the “optimization of enterprise costs” carried out demanded the restoration of industry and regional wage ratios. Economic demands gradually grew into political ones. Protesters recalled that “cost optimization” was carried out by Chinese managers who took key positions in a Kazakhstani state-owned company. Due to this, incomes of not only the parent company, but also of Chinese firms participating in oil and gas projects have grown. Only ordinary oilmen were the losers.

That conflict was repaid in an Eastern way, hard and bloody. But its root cause has not disappeared, and even acquired new forms. Experts note that now Beijing is implementing its joint projects with Nur-Sultan, loading its own companies as much as possible with orders, and even bringing Chinese workers to Kazakhstan.

What are Kazakhstanis unhappy with?


China is not alone in this. Similar practice is used by other foreign investors, for example, Turkish. In the Kazakh media periodically there are reports of conflicts between local workers and visitors. Sometimes it comes to heavy brawls, as it was this summer in the village of Zhairem, Karaganda region, where six Turkish citizens suffered, who later needed medical help.

The reason for the fight in Jairem was that Turkish workers were paid much more than the local workers at the factory under construction in the village. In Chinese companies, this is a standard approach. Hence the growth of anti-Chinese sentiment in Kazakhstan. Zhang Xiao, the Chinese ambassador to Nur-Sultan, reacted to them in his own way.

Zhang did not comment on the discrimination of Kazakhstanis in Chinese enterprises, but hit into geopolitics. The ambassador explained the anti-Chinese rallies in Kazakhstan by the influence of "some external forces." He drew attention to the fact that the protests took place “right on the eve of the most important visit, which is currently being prepared in full swing by both countries. Therefore, I can easily say that such actions are directed precisely against this important event in bilateral relations. It’s supposed that behind these meeting speakers there are some forces that contributed, pushed, trying to kindle, to put it mildly, the negative negative mood of the population against China and against the development of our bilateral relations. ”

Zhang called these "powers" without any hint. “I want to draw your attention to one point: according to official information, China has not even entered the top three countries that have invested in the Kazakh economy,” said Zhang Xiao in Nur-Sultan on 4 on September. “... Actually, the world oil and gas giant is working on the Kazakhstani market, which came here earlier than anyone, who has snatched the most during this time, and which to this day enjoys all sorts of preferences that others don't have.”

The words of the ambassador directly lead us to the American corporation Chevron. She works at the Tengiz field and leads the country in oil production. Now, the Chinese, due to a large-scale investment project, will try to get around the Americans in Kazakhstan (the United States has invested $ 37 billion in the republic, China - 17) and, using the vocabulary of Ambassador Zhang, "snatch the most."

This difficult "transit of power"


It's funny that in response to the protests, local authorities swear by the protesters that the unfortunate Chinese factories would not be built on their territory, but the rallies in the republic did not stop. So, the matter is not only in the machinations of the American Chevron. Experts see in the current protests the struggle of local clans escalated during the “transit of power”.

“Unexpected anti-Chinese rallies are most likely the result of inter-clan confrontation and“ hello ”to Tokaev on his rather tough political part of the message,” well-known Kazakhstan economist Olzhas Khudaibergenov told EADaily. - The process of cooperation with the Chinese did not start Tokaev, it lasts at least 3-4 of the year, and here you have rallies. In general, it is felt that the struggle for power is escalating, and the use of public discontent risks undermining the country. ”

Kasym-Zhomart Tokaev in his Message actually threw firewood into the smoldering hotbed of inter-clan contradictions. The President announced that in the near future the number of civil servants will be reduced by 20%, and the released funds will be used to increase the salary of those remaining in the corridors of the Kazakh government. The expected “purge” seriously excited politicians who were hoping to find their niche in the “transit of power” that had begun. Sensing a threat to their interests, they decided to push Tokaev through public protests.

This point of view of Kazakhstani experts is worthy of attention. However, the root cause of the current rallies is still the impudence of foreign investors, who have little regard for the interests of the local population. Kazakhstan has become accustomed to this and now understands well: the construction of 55 new plants is by no means a charitable project. Chinese investors will try to get the most out of it. “To snatch,” as Chinese Ambassador Zhang Xiao directly said to the Kazakhstanis.
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  1. +1
    9 September 2019 15: 06
    And who is driving this wave? it’s not good .... however, looking at a huge neighbor, at his actions, you can think about your own, vital!
    1. -2
      9 September 2019 16: 34
      The fact that we tested Kazakhstan with its gold, copper, uranium? Yeah, Benya Yeltsman and Spotted did a lot for the country ...
      On the other hand, it doesn’t work out well with such people - they will sit on the neck. They themselves fled. Let them now try the whip of the Chinese master.
      1. +13
        9 September 2019 19: 16
        Quote: RWMos
        They ran away
        request Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR. In fact,
        Quote: RWMos
        Benya Yeltsman

        left no choice.
        1. +1
          10 September 2019 04: 38
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR. In fact,

          Benya Yeltsman

          left no choice.

          That was exactly so! I remember the situation with Kazakhstan at that time!
      2. +2
        10 September 2019 14: 44
        you know, when Yeltsin introduces a holiday of independence from the USSR in the Russian Federation, this is at least strange.
        And the Kazakhs are not happy here even once.
  2. +7
    9 September 2019 15: 07
    China will slowly crush Kazakhstan under itself and will not frown. Then they will take up other states in Central Asia.
    1. +3
      9 September 2019 16: 24
      Quote: NF68
      China will slowly crush Kazakhstan under itself and will not frown. Then they will take up other states in Central Asia.

      China, in fact, has already crushed it, since the 90's it has already begun to process it. Many are already deposits of natural resources, are under the Chinese verdict. And in Central Asia, the same situation where it is beneficial to them, they crushed everything for themselves.
      1. +7
        9 September 2019 19: 46
        According to official statistics in 2016. 12,7 thousand Chinese worked in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Now 4,3 thousand. "The quota is allocated only for highly qualified specialists who are not in the Republic of Kazakhstan." That is, there was a 3-fold reduction. In the PRC, salaries are now much higher.
        All this is being heated from abroad.
        For example, the Chinese opened a glass factory. We did not have such a production. I believe that this is a great help for our construction industry. Of the 55 projects around 10 are already working, some are underway. Interestingly, the lion's share of these industries are not related to energy. Almost every region of Kazakhstan will receive a new, large-scale production.hi
        1. +3
          10 September 2019 11: 13
          Quote: Kasym
          For example, the Chinese opened a glass factory. We did not have such a production. I believe that this is a great help for our construction industry. Of the 55 projects around 10 are already working, some are underway. Interestingly, the lion's share of these industries are not related to energy. Almost every region of Kazakhstan will receive a new, large-scale production.

          In investments, unlike the author, I don’t see anything bad.
          Quote: Kasym
          All this is being heated from abroad.

          Note in Kazakhstan, and in China, and in the Russian Federation. We all faced the same problem. And the PRC authorities have already stated this in plain text.
        2. +1
          10 September 2019 13: 14
          The quota for 2019 is 23 people.
        3. +1
          10 September 2019 15: 34
          Quote: Kasym
          For example, the Chinese opened a glass factory. We did not have such a production. I believe that this is a great help for our construction industry. Of the 55 projects around 10 are already working, some are underway. Interestingly, the lion's share of these industries are not related to energy. Almost every region of Kazakhstan will receive a new, large-scale production.


          So the Chinese will continue to act. Sooner or later, China will control more and more enterprises or entire industries.
      2. 0
        10 September 2019 15: 35
        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        Quote: NF68
        China will slowly crush Kazakhstan under itself and will not frown. Then they will take up other states in Central Asia.

        China, in fact, has already crushed it, since the 90's it has already begun to process it. Many are already deposits of natural resources, are under the Chinese verdict. And in Central Asia, the same situation where it is beneficial to them, they crushed everything for themselves.


        China has just "dispersed" properly. This is just the beginning.
  3. +6
    9 September 2019 15: 11
    This is not going smoothly with us either, China is clearly not smelling roses in neighboring territories.
  4. +4
    9 September 2019 16: 21
    When they had us, who at the expense of their country built all the best and raised their standard of living to the modern, they did not like it. Now it will be like everyone else.
    1. +11
      9 September 2019 19: 00
      Amazed by such comments (at the level of Kazakh nationalists, only with a different sign), in your opinion, Kazakhstan did not produce anything in the union? When the USSR was merged, it was not Nazarbayev who was the first in the line, and if you remember that at first they drowned for an alliance of Slavic states, and they wanted to shave Central Asia (despite the fact that under 60% of the population there it was not titular), it generally turns out weird. Now patriots will cheer me up.
      1. +5
        10 September 2019 11: 46
        Now patriots will cheer me up.

        We didn’t get it, do not be afraid if you think that you are telling the truth.
        What happened during and after the collapse of the USSR has nothing to do with what the USSR, and before that, the Russian Empire did for the Kazakhs. The collapse of the Soviet Union suffered primarily, and as usual, the Russian people, who, as I said, pays for everything.
    2. +1
      9 September 2019 19: 34
      “The secretaries of all three urban areas of Alma-Ata came to him with an ultimatum. They complained about the constant shortage of goods and demanded the removal of the head of the city trade department Tursun Baybusynova.
      Kharazov invited him and very politely suggested:
      “I see that you cannot succeed in this position.” Come on, we will pick you another job.
      Baybusynov looked at Kharazov in surprise:
      - And I thought you called me to celebrate my successes and invite me to a higher job.
      Valery Innokentievich was amazed, but did not give a look:
      “So you can't do it here either.” What kind of increase can we talk about? Come on, we will find you another place. Maybe it will be easier for you there.

      Baibusynov somehow indulgently looked at the secretary of the city committee and philosophically remarked:
      “You Russians are water, and we Kazakhs are stones.” You, like water, will disappear, and we will remain. You, for example, will surely disappear soon. And you will hear about me.
      He got up and left. ”


      Leonid Mlechin "Iron Shurik"
      1. +3
        10 September 2019 04: 43
        Quote: Plantagenet
        you, Russians, water, and we, Kazakhs, stones. You, like water, will disappear, and we will remain. You, for example, will surely disappear soon. And you will hear about me.

        Mlaaaa ... Let's wait and see .... will the Chinese leave "only stones" from the Kazakhs ?!
      2. 0
        10 September 2019 20: 31
        Quote: Plantagenet
        You, Russians, are water, and we, Kazakhs, are stones. You, like water, will disappear, and we will remain. You, for example, will surely disappear soon.

        There is a saying: "Don't say gop until you jump over." wink
        1. 0
          10 September 2019 20: 40
          In life, in contrast to the proverb, Kharazov was transferred to another place. And the head of the city trade department Tursun Baybusynov remained in his place. So the Kazakh turned out to be right.
          1. 0
            10 September 2019 20: 42
            Quote: Plantagenet
            And the head of the city trade department Tursun Baybusynov remained in his place.

            In the national republics, this is all the time, what is the Kazakhness right? Yes, and not about that I wrote ... feel
            1. 0
              10 September 2019 21: 39
              The Russians left as water from the national republics of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, Moldova, the Baltic states. Soon they will leave Ukraine.
              1. 0
                11 September 2019 11: 09
                Quote: Plantagenet
                Russians left as water from the national republics of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, Moldova, the Baltic states

                Yes, there are still full of Russians there, apparently you are not in the know ... feel
                1. 0
                  11 September 2019 11: 11
                  No, there were only old people who don’t have any reason to leave. All the youth left.
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2019 11: 24
                    Quote: Plantagenet
                    No, there were only old people who don’t have any reason to leave. All the youth left

                    My relatives live in Kyrgyzstan, in Kazakhstan, but you probably know better ... feel
                    1. -1
                      11 September 2019 18: 36
                      I work at a construction site, so you understand ...
  5. +5
    9 September 2019 16: 26
    Throughout the world, Kazakhstan is not the first to fall into such a trap. Countries rich in natural resources attract greedy investors. Internal forces come to taste. And this problem is already very difficult to solve. I was in another Kazakhstan. But it was a long time ago. And it seems not true.
  6. +1
    9 September 2019 16: 40
    Here, Americans are also involved and Katays, and if true about the reduction of officials then ...
    Hello protests
  7. +10
    9 September 2019 18: 01
    Quote: RWMos
    The fact that we tested Kazakhstan with its gold, copper, uranium? Yeah, Benya Yeltsman and Spotted did a lot for the country ...
    On the other hand, it doesn’t work out well with such people - they will sit on the neck. They themselves fled. Let them now try the whip of the Chinese master.

    Who ran away here, Kazakhstan? Nonsense. They were the last to recognize the collapse of the Union (initiated by the Russian Federation, by the way!), For which there is great respect for Nazarbayev.
    1. +1
      15 September 2019 21: 34
      Quote: Doliva63
      They last recognized the collapse of the Union (initiated by the Russian Federation, by the way!)

      Exactly. Moreover, even after the collapse, Nazarbayev tried to stay in the ruble zone, but here they left him no choice.
  8. +1
    9 September 2019 18: 09
    Unfortunately, raising such a simple people to protest is very easy. Everything is invested there, from banal pity, to the requirements not to spoil Nature. As in Kyrgyzstan, people are willingly participating in these brawls, because the clan system puts a barrier directly to many ambitious representatives of these peoples in achieving their goals. There, any owner is ready to strip an employee almost to the point. Therefore, the stability of Kazakhstan in the context of undercover fuss between the USA, China, Russia and local clans can lead the country to a social explosion and an explosion of violence.
  9. +3
    9 September 2019 18: 19
    I just thought: if in Russia, for example, at a construction site, for the same work with us, the Turks or Chinese will receive more Vani. This is unlikely to please Van, Pete.
  10. 0
    9 September 2019 19: 02
    And how sideways this relates to military issues. Is there really nothing more to publish?
  11. +2
    9 September 2019 19: 14
    Figaro there, Figaro here .... Figaro, Figaro ... in the sense of China ... and where is Russia? Why is Russia not in Kazakhstan with 55 investment projects ...?
    1. +4
      9 September 2019 20: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      Figaro there, Figaro here .... Figaro, Figaro ... in the sense of China ... and where is Russia? Why is Russia not in Kazakhstan with 55 investment projects ...?

      After the collapse of the USSR, Russia, which was going through hard times, was squeezed out of Central Asia, this was facilitated by many factors, including the actions of local national elites (Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan). All these countries have one common territory, including China, it is called "Tien Shan", translated from Chinese - "heavenly, divine mountains." China has always considered and still considers this territory its own. At one time, Russia and the Russians were (both the Russian Empire and the USSR) a deterrent and protective factor against anyone's claims to these territories, with the fall of the USSR, the restraining shield also fell. China has never forgotten and will not forget the names, applied and will continue to claim these territories. The choice of national elites in the direction of the United States will not resolve the issue of China's claims to this space, the United States is far away, and China is right there. Here, in my opinion, the proverb that "the salvation of drowning is the work of the drowning themselves" is appropriate. And Russia just needs to give citizenship to all Russians in these territories and help with resettlement, because its country needs to be populated with its own. Both Kazakhstan and the rest of the former republics of the USSR are free, independent, proud, which means they can cope on their own (probably). This is their sovereign business. All this is IMHO. hi
      1. +3
        9 September 2019 23: 27
        I agree. It is easier to give citizenship than to build 55 objects. We won’t pull it. Both politically and economically. hi
    2. +4
      9 September 2019 20: 48
      Good evening, Alexey. It's kind of hard on my soul. There was a big country. Where the children of peasants and workers could achieve a lot, where industry developed .... And now ?? After all, the process of destruction of the USSR, which began almost 30 years ago, has not yet been completed ....
      1. +2
        9 September 2019 23: 23
        You are right Dmitry ... hi
  12. -2
    9 September 2019 21: 27
    However, the root cause of the current rallies is still the cheating of foreign investors who have little regard for the interests of the local population

    Well, well, there weren’t any meetings in Latin Kazakhstan, how 55 factories ran to build the Chinese with the Chinese ... Of course, the root cause is not in external forces lol
    ps And since Kazakhstan has long been divided between the United States and China, and by the way, if the latter had not gotten involved there, Kazakhstan would now be flaming Ukraine 2.0 on the borders of the Russian Federation
    1. -2
      10 September 2019 03: 58
      One and the same "Latin, as Ukraine would pyhala" all you know!
      There were discontent in the Latin alphabet, but many understand the correctness of this choice! What good is it for you?
      1. -1
        10 September 2019 05: 24
        One and the same "Latin, as Ukraine would pyhala" all you know!
        There were discontent in the Latin alphabet, but many understand the correctness of this choice! What good is it for you?

        We are not of any use, the people are fleeing us from you, and tells what a wonderful and multinational state Kazakhstan is and how you do not infringe on the rights of Russians and national moods, so forgive me for saying what
        1. 0
          10 September 2019 15: 59
          Directly "runs" ????
          What do you know?
          About the fact that out of 100 channels on TV there are less than 20 in Kazakh-Russian, the rest in Russian! ??
          Or did Baba Lucy tell you?
          Or people do not flee from Russia? To Canada, USA, Australia ???
      2. +2
        10 September 2019 20: 08
        Quote: Talgat I.
        There were discontent in the Latin alphabet, but many understand the correctness of this choice!

        And what is the correctness? Sounds are more displayed in letters, or looks prettier, or maybe they give more grants for this? In general, when did the Kazakh writing actually appear, and who took part in this ???
        1. -2
          11 September 2019 03: 53
          Read on Wikipedia, otherwise you are sure that you have taught everyone how to write and read, and how to use the toilet!
          1. +1
            11 September 2019 04: 03
            Quote: Talgat I.
            Read on Wikipedia, otherwise you are sure that you have taught everyone how to write and read, and how to use the toilet!

            And you probably received an education on Wikipedia?
            1. -1
              11 September 2019 11: 45
              Read-read, it is correctly written about us! And I received education at the Higher Military Command School! Clear!?
              1. 0
                11 September 2019 12: 11
                Quote: Talgat I.
                And I received education at the Higher Military Command School! Clear!?

                soldier laughing
              2. 0
                11 September 2019 12: 23
                Quote: Talgat I.
                And I received education at the Higher Military Command School! Clear!?

                Now what? Dig holes for everyone? Firstly, the school is the school of strife, and secondly, at what time they studied, under the Union or after, and thirdly, they found something to brag about. About training under the Union of citizens from the Union republics is a separate topic, I don't even want to get into it. As taught and pulled out stupidity, if only there were national cadres. These are the people who "rule" now. Therefore, Russia is flourishing, as if it has freed itself from the shackles, and all seemingly "independent" countries are gradually bent over. And this applies not only to the countries of the former USSR, but also to all countries of the former socialist camp. That's it, trouble has come, no one else feeds and does not support.
                There were many jokes about command schools even under the Soviet Union, for example: "The more oak trees in the army, the stronger our defense." Just do not be offended, this is not in relation to you specifically, but in general to command schools, as to a phenomenon. And in the years of my youth, cadets and graduates of com. schools were generally called "boots" because they have all the strength in their legs.
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            11 September 2019 11: 17
            Quote: Talgat I.
            Read on Wikipedia, otherwise you are sure that you have taught everyone how to write and read, and how to use the toilet!

            This is the answer?! N-yes-ah ... And where does the training and the toilet? Did I raise this topic? If only you read Wikipedia, perhaps ... feel
            1. -2
              11 September 2019 11: 47
              And what have the grants and the correctness of the sounds! ??? Understand the phonetics of the Cossack language ?! No, then read the wiki!
              1. 0
                11 September 2019 12: 07
                Quote: Talgat I.
                And what have the grants and the correctness of the sounds! ???

                Sometimes they are tied directly, especially if a man named "Uncle Sam" is walking around. wink
                Quote: Talgat I.
                No, then read the wiki!

                I listen and obey, O Sultan! lol
      3. +1
        11 September 2019 02: 30
        Oh, tell me the foolish, what is the right choice for the Kazakhs in Latin. You are one of the oldest nations. Not by chance did you invent the Latin alphabet, or have you written in Latin for hundreds, even thousands of years, or have your ancient manuscripts and books been written on it?
        1. 0
          11 September 2019 03: 56
          Another unreasonable, there were many explanations, I will say it again, before the Cyrillic alphabet we already used the Latin alphabet, our grandfathers wrote letters on it from the front, enough!
          If not, then be it for your Cossacks to receive grants, and we invented it for years before the previous era !!!!
          1. +1
            11 September 2019 10: 07
            Quote: Talgat I.
            There were many explanations, I will say it again, before the Cyrillic alphabet, we already used the Latin alphabet, our grandfathers from the front wrote letters on it, enough!
            If not, then be it for your Cossacks to receive grants, and we invented it for years before the previous era !!!!

            If you consider your insults to reasonable words of other people to be explanations, then you are very mistaken. And if for you it is enough that your grandfathers wrote letters in Latin from the front and because of this your nation is changing the alphabet, then I feel sorry for you! The Soviet alphabet created the Latin alphabet in 1929, when Russia had friendly relations with Turkey, which switched to the Latin alphabet the year before. And when relations with Turkey worsened, again the Soviet government changed the alphabet to Cyrillic (in 1940). That is, you wrote in Latin for less than 11 years. Then, for almost 80 years, you wrote in Cyrillic. And until 1929, for hundreds of years you had an alphabet based on Arabic script. And the question is: why didn’t you choose the alphabet on which you wrote hundreds of years, but the one on which you wrote only 10 years?
            You are not a nation yet, but only one laugh, and nothing more. If your President, on the one hand, proclaims the motto to enter the top 30 most developed countries in the world, and, on the other hand, you still do not understand the alphabet, do not know how and what to write, there are no teachers of your native language in Latin. It comes straight from a children's joke: "I'm smart as a dog, I understand everything, but I can't write it."
            Therefore, I advise you to better not snarl, otherwise I can answer you about the Cossacks and about who built the same toilets for whom.
            1. +1
              11 September 2019 11: 14
              Quote: Gary
              If you consider your insults to reasonable words of other people to be explanations, then you are very mistaken

              And he has his own story, unknown to most ... Some seas dig, others even before the Romans invented the Latin alphabet ... We do not understand .. request
              1. -1
                11 September 2019 11: 52
                You don’t understand what !?
                If all the same Latin alphabet (it was given to you) in the Cyrillic alphabet is Kazakh. - 44 letters, in the Latin alphabet 30, that’s the answer!
                1. +1
                  11 September 2019 12: 14
                  Quote: Talgat I.
                  You don’t understand what !?
                  If all the same Latin alphabet (it was given to you) in the Cyrillic alphabet is Kazakh. - 44 letters, in the Latin alphabet 30, that’s the answer!

                  Basically, I don't care, I was just curious why. All these "transitions" cost real money, and not small, but the rich have their own quirks ... request
                  1. -1
                    11 September 2019 17: 38
                    This is not a fad! A real need!
            2. 0
              11 September 2019 11: 57
              There are no sensible words like people here !!!!!

              And to declare that you are no nation, it does not make you not only not reasonable ....

              Are you a nation for us !? Personally, you ??????

              And how do you know that we do not have linguists?
              Wait, give a deadline, calm down, you have been burying us for almost 30 years, but still nothing!))))))))
              We will survive and enter both 30 and 20 !!!!
              1. +1
                11 September 2019 12: 18
                Quote: Talgat I.
                Wait, give a deadline, calm down, you have been burying us for almost 30 years, but still nothing!))))))))
                We will survive and enter both 30 and 20 !!!!

                Believe me, for me, at least one.
                1. -1
                  11 September 2019 17: 37
                  I do not believe!!!!
                  I guess the truth itself is annoying - mother!))))
    2. +1
      10 September 2019 20: 21
      Quote: armata_armata
      . And since Kazakhstan has long been divided between the United States and China,

      And there was no such country before the USSR, after the collapse of the USSR, it appeared proud and independent, so let them solve their problems themselves, the United States is too far away and they will leave China at any time, as happened more than once with the Kurds. Let them decide, according to me, the main thing is to transport all Russians to Russia, and for this it is necessary to at least give these Russians Russian citizenship (and you can and need more), but for Abkhazia it was obviously easier to do than for Kazakh Russians ... request
      1. -1
        11 September 2019 11: 51
        Proud It's true!
        Only who left her alone without fucking roughly speaking to the mercy of fate !? We 90% voted for the Union!
        And if you think that Kazakhstan did not exist before, then the same logic can be stated and Russia does not have such a state !!!!
        1. +1
          11 September 2019 12: 22
          Quote: Talgat I.
          Only who left her alone without fucking roughly speaking to the mercy of fate !?

          Especially here it delivers your word -
          Quote: Talgat I.
          without nichrome

          A huge piece of Siberia was presented, industry from scratch. With the collapse, everything remained with Kazakhstan, the country Kazakhstan itself appeared on the world map after all this, and again, someone who owes you something, but here already ... wassat
          1. -1
            11 September 2019 17: 36
            Then who else gave what to anyone !!!!? Orenburg with Omsk and Tyumen will challenge !? Or leave South Siberia alone?
            1. -1
              11 September 2019 18: 14
              Quote: Talgat I.
              Then who else gave what to anyone !!!!? Orenburg with Omsk and Tyumen will challenge !? Or leave South Siberia alone?

              It’s clear with you and your kind, you have a nationalist fever, you are from an alternative universe ... request
              1. -1
                11 September 2019 19: 10
                Teach history how the Russian Empire expanded, from Russia to the USSR! That would not say nonsense who gave what to anyone! Good people were found!))))
          2. -1
            11 September 2019 19: 14
            And for one country they polluted with many ranges, Semipalatinsk nuclear, Emba, Battle fields, Saryshagan, Fields of worked stages of Baikonur missiles! 11% of the territory !!!
      2. -1
        11 September 2019 11: 59
        Themselves collapsed and we are to blame!)))

        Well, if there wasn’t then there is !!!!! 9 country in the world by area !!!!!!!!
  13. +5
    10 September 2019 03: 35
    Kazakhs are unhappy. But the result is predictable. Since the holy place does not happen empty. Russians are being forced out. So far, kindly. Power does not give evil. And at the everyday level, Russians - occupiers, imperialists and simply eat Kazakh bread and trample the Kazakh land. So we are leaving slowly.
    And now, gentlemen, good ones, try real colonizers. Which do not care your language, culture, etc. And interest is only in your land. Even skillful Kazakh pens do not interest anyone. The top will sell everything to the Chinese, and the rest will live a beautiful, primordially Kazakh civilization.
    1. +1
      11 September 2019 02: 40
      Quote: mmaxx
      The top will sell everything to the Chinese, and the rest will live a beautiful, primordially Kazakh civilization.

      Well, you give! A lot of things have been sold to the Chinese for a long time, look at the list of the richest people in Kazakhstan and everything will become clear. Where did the billionaires come from - "hard workers" and who they are. And many are already beginning to live in the original Kazakh civilization. Cities and villages are dying, and for some reason the invaders do not want to restore them for free, they were built in due time, but they do not want to maintain their condition.
  14. +2
    10 September 2019 12: 02
    Quote: Plantagenet
    You, Russians, are water, and we, Kazakhs, are stones. You, like water, will disappear, and we will remain.

    We go forward, you stand still.
  15. +3
    10 September 2019 13: 08
    Everything is very simple. Billion and a half China needs resources and territories. This is what they will gradually wring out from their neighbors. It is impossible by military means, they will push economically. They are doing the same with Russia. Siberian taiga is cut down and the forest is exported to China. Land for rent, where after the Chinese economy nothing is growing. In December, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline will be launched, which in 30 years should pump trillions of cubic meters of gas to China. But gas is a non-renewable resource and in decades Russia itself may be left without gas. The same goes for oil. And with such a barbaric attitude, little remains of the taiga.
    So China is dangerous, and not only for Russia. It’s a locust eating everything in its path ...
    But Russia needs to develop its industry and agriculture, and not depend on China ...
  16. 0
    10 September 2019 14: 46
    Quote: Kasym
    For example, the Chinese opened a glass factory.

    I wonder how they heat this glass? probably breathe on it or spread it in the sun)))
    you would first think about the connection with energy.
  17. +1
    10 September 2019 14: 48
    Quote: kiborg
    It’s a locust eating everything in its path ...

    I talked with the Chinese who do business with us.
    just outline the rules of the game and they will play according to them. Locusts are officials who regulate their work.
  18. +3
    10 September 2019 15: 57
    And let's compare the number of protesters and the number of vacancies that will give the construction and further activity of 55 factories in the country where people live as much as in Moscow and the Moscow region (according to statistics), maybe even less (most likely less)? . In Moscow, such a number of protesters would not even have been noticed. There are more people gathering on the phonetophorus ... I understand that if everything was bad in Kazakhstan (devastation, civil war, plague, etc.), then for some commentators on this site it was like a balm for the soul (like another argument about the greatness of the Russian nation over backward Central Asians), but it seems that the author of this article (rather, even the article) achieved exactly this result ....
  19. -1
    10 September 2019 20: 34
    This is what Nazarbayev and those who have taken nationalism in the republic mean. After all, nationalists began to squeeze Russians, Germans and other Europeans out of the country. The majority of Kazakhs began to occupy Kazakhs. But Nazarbayev himself contributed to this, saying that Russia forever spread rot, etc. Right now, Nazarbayev supported the transition from Latin, and this is the death of the Russian language. He will not be needed in the republic, since Nazarbayev decided to study English. That's why the country began to roll down the slope, which is supported by the Americans who settled in the country.
  20. +1
    11 September 2019 02: 20
    Quote: Plantagenet
    “You Russians are water, and we Kazakhs are stones.” You, like water, will disappear, and we will remain.

    But he very precisely, without suspecting it, defined proverbs of nations in this proverb. With this proverb, he humiliated himself and his nation. Water carries life, it has a memory, it contains the history of all life on Earth. And the stone lies on its own road or in the steppe, you cannot move it, it is stubborn and only interferes, but with great conceit about its importance.
  21. 0
    13 September 2019 17: 20
    For Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Turkmens and now Kazakhs it is already "too late to drink Borjomi" as they say. They no longer control the Chinese on their territory. The tricky game of Elbasy against China will cost the Kazakhs dearly, I think. Russia will not interfere there and smooth out something.In the end, we do not know and will never know how Xi and GDP divided the spheres of influence in Central Asia
    1. +1
      14 September 2019 17: 47
      It's just that people are afraid of the Chinese and do not want them to come. But they come, as well as to Russia. Judging by the TV, in the Russian Federation, the Chinese are more brazen.
      1. +1
        14 September 2019 17: 52

        But he very precisely, without suspecting it, defined proverbs of nations in this proverb.


        Water sharpens a stone. But, what you write is chauvinism, dear. Write better on the essence of the topic, and do not breed chatter.