The exchange began: Kirill Vyshinsky flew to Moscow

Messages come about the exchange of held persons between Ukraine and Russia. According to recent reports, the bus departed from the Moscow Lefortovo jail to Vnukovo-2 airport.

At the same time, reports come from Kiev that the journalist Kirill Vyshinsky has already flown to Moscow. Such information is published by Dmitry Kiselev, who announced the meeting of Cyril in the Russian capital. Recall that earlier the parties decided to include Kirill Vyshinsky and Oleg Sentsov in the lists of persons to be exchanged. A few days ago, a decision was made in a Kiev court to release Kirill from custody.

Today, as reported, Ukrainian sailors will return to Ukraine, who last year participated in a provocation in the area of ​​the Kerch Bridge, arranged by the then Ukrainian authorities.

According to one of the lawyers, Nikolai Polozov, the sailors were taken to Vnukovo-2, from where they will be sent to Kiev as part of the exchange.

Against this background, the Ukrainian Minister for Temporary Displaced Persons Oksana Kolyada spoke about the need to resume payments (pensions and benefits) to residents of Donbass. According to the Ukrainian official, “for the words about the terrorists, (in Kiev) they forget that the citizens of Ukraine live in the Donbas”.

Oksana Kolyada:

We must ensure the rights of pensioners, who, even given the disease, cannot come to controlled territories. It is necessary to find mechanisms.

According to the Ukrainian minister, payments can be made through international humanitarian organizations, including the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross).

Comments

[210ox]

All this is good .. BUT! We change the criminals for hostages ..

[Voyager]

But there is no other way out. There is no point keeping criminals while hostages are suffering.

[210ox]

You want to say that we should indulge criminals? Let it be forced. Israel is persuaded a lot by us, but here we should take an example from them. No negotiations with criminals, no matter what color they are.

[Kenxnumx]

If so. Let go regularly. Moreover, these fighters on which samples have nowhere to put.

[210ox]

It is possible that the policy regarding such characters has softened. But I remember that in the 70-80s the issue was resolved radically .. Although on another continent ..

[tatarin_ru]

in 70-80's the issue was resolved

)) The world is already different
In those years, many had a lot different.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: tatarin_ru

in 70-80's the issue was resolved

)) The world is already different
In those years, many had a lot different.

Tell it to Iran and its bold capture of a British tanker

[tatarin_ru]

Tell it to Iran and its bold capture of a British tanker

Well, to begin with, neither you nor I really know anything about this.
What kind of ship, who is the real owner, what kind of cargo and destination? And yet we will take into account that they acted in their own waters. They had the right.
In our country this is called - search of a ship.

[tatarin_ru]

And Iran, in the meantime, is the most unprincipled country, changing opinions, principles, views, agreements, changing allies, walking along the edge - if only there is profit (economic, political)

[Greg Miller]

In the 70-80s against Russian billionaire officials, personal sanctions were not introduced in the West, and the measures were different ...

Quote: 210ox

It is possible that the policy regarding such characters has softened. But I remember that in the 70-80s the issue was resolved radically .. Although on another continent ..

[AUL]

Quote: Ken71

If so. Let go regularly. Moreover, these fighters on which samples have nowhere to put.

Not really. They don’t negotiate with terrorists in a terrorist attack. But then, as a result of negotiations with officials, they can exchange a dozen or two barmels who are in their prisons for their own soldier in captivity. About a year ago, such a process took place.

[Voyager]

And let our citizens continue to sit in a foreign country, do you propose this?

[210ox]

We must not allow our citizens to be held hostage there. This is only normal when our security forces detain them in the preparation or commission of a crime, and then they detain a person only because he has different principles and outlooks on life. Kiev should have been criminal four years ago .. But not to shake hands ..

[carstorm 11]

and how to do it? to prohibit moving outside the country?)

[210ox]

How should the appropriate services think.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

And what are your citizens there? Who exactly?

[Greg Miller]

Quote: 210ox

We must not allow our citizens to be held hostage there. This is only normal when our security forces detain them in the preparation or commission of a crime, and then they detain a person only because he has different principles and outlooks on life. Kiev should have been criminal four years ago .. But not to shake hands ..

This is for you and for me the Ukrainian regime is criminals, and for the ruling in Russia, a bunch of oligarchs and corrupt officials, they are PARTNERS !!! Partners on the driban of the Soviet heritage. There is much more in common between Russian and Ukrainian officials than between Russian officials and you ... for example ..

[Honest Citizen]

And let our citizens continue to sit in a foreign country, do you propose this?

Yeah ... that means they grabbed our citizens like that, you live great and on far-fetched accusations. And we took, as they say, in the act.
And do you offer criminals to change to hostages?
It never occurred to you personally that you might also need to act as well? Grab a specific pool of citizens of all countries and then change, as necessary?
In the days of the USSR, Iran took our hostages. The KGB did not stand on ceremony, just grabbed about ten of the first citizens that came across this country, and the next day their heads were delivered to the shah. Our citizens were returned with an apology.
Because the USSR had steel eggs. The current "liberots" have only one steel hole in power ...

[Voyager]

It never occurred to you personally that you might also need to act as well?

Moreover, this method also came up earlier in the topic of a detained official in Italy. But we don’t act like that for some reason. And you need to get out of this situation.

[Honest Citizen]

And you need to get out of this situation.

You must first have eggs. How many dill gaster do we have? To come up with an accusation - judging by the "Golunov case", one spit. What is the problem?
My personal opinion is that since we are considered the aggressor, then it would be time to "come to war."

[Voyager]

Quote: Honest Citizen

What's the problem?

This is not a question for me, but I agree with you.

Nevertheless, we do not use such methods, again for unknown reasons.

[Guards turn]

You are wrong, we are the people.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Because the USSR had steel eggs. The current "liberots" have only one steel hole in power.

It is not about "faberge", but about the information war that Russia is losing to Western media corporations over and over again. There was no such problem in the USSR. And the only way out here is causing damage to the image, proving that we are "white and fluffy" and they are "radishes" with facts and humanitarian actions. Unfortunately, without the media and tough steps, all this evidence is of little interest to anyone.

[ROBIN-SON]

There was one head that belonged to the brother of a terrorist who captured our people.

[Lelek]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Yeah ... that means they grabbed our citizens like that, you live great and on far-fetched accusations. And we took, as they say, in the act.

As the unforgettable A. Raikin used to say: "The question is, of course, interesting ...". The sailors who carried out (albeit a criminal) order can be exchanged for our citizens in the SBU dungeons, with the conditions stated by the Russian Foreign Ministry, but the State Security Service officers who were directly involved in Waltzman's provocation must serve the entire term without the right to pardon. As for the negotiations with the Ukrainian side, both our leader and Pan Hetman Ze have expressed themselves unequivocally on this matter.

Time will tell how "it" ends.

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Voyager

And let our citizens continue to sit in a foreign country, do you propose this?

All that is happening in Ukraine today is solely with the permission of the Russian leadership ...

[askort154]

210qu ...We have a lot of inclinations for Israel, but here we should take an example from them. No negotiations with criminals, no matter what color they are.

Dmitry, who is Israel in international politics ?!
This is the US "six" in the BV and nothing more. Will behave insolently and provocatively as long as the "godfather" is strong. I find it funny to read the regular references to Israel's "coolness" (arrogance). This is the same naive.
Israel's "cool" is the diaspora's lobbyists in financial, media, and therefore political structures, leading countries of the World, including Russia.

[g1v2]

Just Israel regularly releases militants and in exchange not even for prisoners, but for the bodies of their victims. There were many such exchanges.
Regarding this exchange. The sailors were needed just like an exchange fund. In the end, they are military personnel who carried out the order. If there is anyone to exchange them for - why not?
Sentsov is a one-time hero for Ukraine, like Savchenko. The Kremlin once again removed the boiled irritant by exchange, like Khodorkovsky, Savchenko, Skripal and so on. All by template. I’m sure, by the way, that Golunov wasn’t planted either. He was simply released, so as not to create another martyr to the enemy. And for a look they’ve replaced a couple of generals. But I didn’t hear something about the arrest of police officers who allegedly planted drugs. So most likely they didn’t throw anything.
Soch Sentsova also exchanged as soon as the opportunity appeared.
But about Fang, Karpyuk, etc. - I am strongly opposed. These are people who fought against us in our territory. And there is simply no one to change them for. On the other hand, there are no equivalent figures for exchange.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Voyager

But there is no other way out.

this means that new mortgages will appear

[Kontrik]

Quote: 210ox

All this is good .. BUT! We change the criminals for hostages ..

We have Dmitry about two million. Gaster c. dill work Can exchange them for Kiev? (joke))))
It is sad that all this is happening .. Russia itself is to blame for this .. We look back to the West, this is our problem in everything. (We have a lot of lobbyists in Moscow with cunning surnames)

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: 210ox

We change the criminals for hostages.

Ruslan Hajiyev is also a criminal for them. A Ukrainian court sentenced him to a term of 15 years in prison. Interestingly, but he will be released? Our then Sentsova released.

[monah]

Gadzhiev sentenced to 15 years, from the list Ukraine excluded him!

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: monah

from the list Ukraine excluded him!

I read about it, but there were some movements around the list, maybe at the last moment, something was decided. Sorry man.

[Olgovich]

Quote: 210ox

We change the criminals for hostages ..

I also don’t understand: how can you “change” Vyshinsky, who has already been released, to the convicted terrorist Sentsov ?!

[monah]

VYSHINSKY was not released, they changed the measure of clipping!

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

All this is good .. BUT! We change the criminals for hostages ..

Maybe gossip. Or maybe not...

[Guards turn]

If we compare Kirill Vyshinsky and Sentsov, then Sentsov was given another chance, to prepare better.

[Thrifty]

New Savchenko in terms of their future? ?? Will they not change our jail to ukroinsky prisons ???

[bbtcs]

As expected. Come out with less foam, Putin knows what he's doing And you are not Surkovs to prompt him

[sabakina]

Quote: bbtcs

As expected. Come out with less foam, Putin knows what he's doing And you are not Surkovs to prompt him

Are you the curator of Putin?

[Antares]

while everything is on the side of Zelensky.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Antares

while everything is on the side of Zelensky.

Amendment: Kolomoisky and the State Department. I love the real world and I advise you.

[Antares]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Quote: Antares

while everything is on the side of Zelensky.

Amendment: Kolomoisky and the State Department. I love the real world and I advise you.

I do not believe in conspiracy theory.
To the Russian press too.
It doesn’t matter who stands - the Pentagon, reptilians, Kolomoisky or Roshen Corporation ... The main thing.
And then we will begin to measure what the Rotenbergs decided against Kolomoisky, and why the Rotenbergs do not go for an exchange and the Kolomoisky go ..

[Dogmatic]

Zelensky demonstrates contractability, the Kremlin is moving forward. Everything is pretty ordinary.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Quote: Antares

while everything is on the side of Zelensky.

Amendment: Kolomoisky and the State Department. I love the real world and I advise you.

I do not believe in conspiracy theory.
To the Russian press too.
It doesn’t matter who stands - the Pentagon, reptilians, Kolomoisky or Roshen Corporation ... The main thing.
And then we will begin to measure what the Rotenbergs decided against Kolomoisky, and why the Rotenbergs do not go for an exchange and the Kolomoisky go ..

That's why you live like this, with a rate of not 8.1 UAH per dollar, and not a communal apartment no more than 20% of the minimum monthly salary, but with the dictatorship of the IMF and its conditions, medical reform from the American Suprun. By the way, in your world, how could a US citizen become the Minister of Health of Ukraine in violation of the Law on the State Service of Ukraine? And in general, and where did the Americans shout even more orange on the Maidan of 2004 of the year! Where do you see the Americans here? Where, even after the removal of Suprun, they said that they did not abandon its reforms.

How easy and primitive of you to give an example with reptilians and annunaki in order to cut the bar of discussion and make it impossible.

You live in the Pink World, where the good West wants to help Ukraine reform, so that it honestly competes with its goods and services, thereby raising its standard of living. Himself not funny and disgusted by his worldview of the late 80-s of the era of Perestroika?

People like you will believe that the Taliban in the caves of Afghanistan, along with Bin Laden and a kerosene lamp, planned an attack on 11.09.2001 against the Pentagon and Manhattan. And not in the redistribution of Middle East markets and oil control, bypassing the obstinate OPEC countries.

People like you forced me to leave the country because they believed in this nonsense of Yatsenyuk. Even the Soviet loser could not believe in such a thing. But do you consider yourself Antares to people who have fond memories of the USSR, judging by your past comments? Looking at these frames, what do you think?

[Antares]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

That's why you live like this, with a rate of not 8.1 UAH per dollar, and not a communal apartment no more than 20% of the minimum monthly salary, but with the IMF dictatorship and its conditions, medical reform from the American Suprun.

I was not against the Moscow agreements of Yanukovych. But the IMF dictatorship for all countries did not start yesterday .. And not even under Yanukovych ..

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Do not abandon its reforms.

she did a lot. There is an opinion that just such a ram was needed.
Another thing is how. Actually the topic is not about Suprun. These are internal affairs.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

How easy and primitive of you to give an example with reptilians and annunaki in order to cut the bar of discussion and make it impossible.

where to me .. here you offered me immediately from Maidan 1 and Suprun to the philosophy of the collective west, thinking, the Taliban of Osama, the pink dream and more ... and I just wrote about the conspiracy theory.
To drop the bar of discussion is so easy.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

People like you will believe that the Taliban in the caves of Afghanistan, along with Bin Laden and a kerosene lamp, planned a terrorist attack on September 11.09.2001, XNUMX against the Pentagon and Manhattan.

I mean, I’m sitting with a lamp ... I don’t remember if I was working or not ... (probably not working)

And not in the redistribution of Middle East markets and oil control, bypassing the obstinate countries of OPEC.

Is that just the root cause? One out of a thousand.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

People like you forced me to leave the country because they believed in this nonsense of Yatsenyuk.

forgive me. I didn’t know that I kicked you out. I watched the ceremony only from the pages of VO

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Even the Soviet dvoechnik could not believe in such

in the fact that I will expel you? Sorry one more time. Made the almost impossible

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

But do you consider yourself Antares to people who have fond memories of the USSR, judging by your past comments? Looking at these frames, what do you think?

I'm warm. I was born there and spent my childhood. And this is the most carefree time. Conscious and serious life is already under Ukraine.
Looking at this video, I think that I never liked Yatsenyuk. And now my opinion has not changed.

[sabakina]

Quote: Antares

I do not believe in conspiracy theory.
To the Russian press too.

But at least you believe that it revolves ??

[Antares]

Quote: sabakina

But at least you believe that it revolves ??

And yet she spins! (Galileo) Another thing on what.
we all go back as best we can.

[voyaka uh]

"It doesn't matter who stands - Pentagon, reptilians, Kolomoisky" ////
----
From the press:
"The fight of disgusting Zelensky Buck Reptilians with space
Warriors of the Light Peace Sword culminated in an exchange of prisoners.
Kiev and Moscow agreed peacefully.

[Lelek]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Amendment: Kolomoisky and the State Department. I love the real world and I advise you.

It is commendable. And the reality about Pan Ze is very vague. He "... like a drunken watchman, stupefied into a board ..." hugs the "willow", then passionately kisses the "birch". A very contradictory "comrade", if you turn your back on him, he will betray, sell, disown. And whoever does not stand behind him - everyone who wants to snatch a piece of the pie, taking advantage of its popularity among the plebs.

[New Year day]

and someone "drenched" me about the extradition of Ukrainian sailors! Putin said, and that's it ... We flew, without a trial or time. Managed "justice" and there is no doubt about it!

[monah]

If there is an opportunity to save His need to do everything, then the legal nuances can then be settled!

[New Year day]

who is arguing?

[carstorm 11]

and what's wrong? they drove us a group of comrades themselves for exchange and received it back in exchange for the citizens of our country. what's more important - the process for show or are people real?

[Antares]

Quote: Silvestr

Putin said, and that’s it.

Putin alone would not be enough.
Zelensky promised, fulfilled. By the way, he wrote a pardon to the Russians. I have not seen a similar one from the Russian Federation, but there it’s probably different.
Exchange is the effort of two parties.
It is important to note Gerashchenko, Moskalkova.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, mark it for God's sake. these names, in addition to loathing, still do not cause other feelings. but he promised - he fulfilled ... with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Antares

It is important to note GerashchenkoMoskalkov.

Which Gerashchenko, dear? Maybe Denisov from Ukraine?
On the hands of Gerashchenko the blood of the Russian man Ivanov in the Lvov pre-trial detention center !!
She struck him and others last year before the most exchange before the checkpoint and others.
And he died in the walls of the correctional institution of Ukraine.
Fear God !!!

[Antares]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

What Gerashchenko, dear

past exchanges, we immediately forget? Live for today.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Denisov from Ukraine?

do you only consider ombudsmen? And the representatives in the humanitarian subgroup?
I understand that the attitude towards her is rather biased.
I don’t like her party and partner either. But not to note her efforts to exchange the past - this means being biased.
Daria Moroz should also be noted. Although it was mainly Moskalkova who decided.
Lists scribbled everything. The fact that one Gerashchenko got into the press is biased. At the highest level, it only conveys the list.

[New Year day]

Quote: Antares

I have not seen a similar one from the Russian Federation, but there it’s probably different.

everything is identical, otherwise there would be no exchange

[sabakina]

Quote: Silvestr

and someone "drenched" me about the extradition of Ukrainian sailors! Putin said, and that's it ... We flew, without a trial or time.

Sylvestrushka, dear, (do not take it for rudeness), the court is different, public and not in public.

There is much in the world, Horatio's friend, which our sages have not dreamed of.

[New Year day]

Quote: sabakina

the court is different, public and not in public.

there is still heaven They proved to me that before the trial of the Ukrainian. they will not be given back by the sailors. I am the opposite. That's all.

[sabakina]

Quote: Silvestr

They proved to me that before the trial of the Ukrainian. they will not be given back by the sailors. I am the opposite. That's all.

[New Year day]

The film is a masterpiece! Thank!

[Nikolay87]

The people, and who are these Russians, on whom we change terrorists and criminals? I do not judge, but I would like to believe that they are all polls officers of the GRU / SVR? I somehow do not understand, but if Sentsov would have realized his terrorist attack with deaths, would he have been exchanged in the same way?

[Kronos]

No ordinary people basically. I can recall that Savchenko, who killed Russian journalists, was exchanged

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Kronos

No ordinary people basically. I can recall that Savchenko, who killed Russian journalists, was exchanged

Vicious circle. Thus, terrorists can come here as a resort. This is even worse than fulfilling the demands of hostage-taking terrorists.
A "terrorist" of whatever nationality he would not be, receives Ukrainian citizenship, in order to then fall under the exchange as a Ukrainian citizen, comes here, tries to commit a terrorist attack, regardless of the result, sunbathes in dungeons on paid meals until the moment of his exchange ?!

[Kronos]

Israelis used to change their soldiers for Islamists and nothing

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Kronos

Israelis used to change their soldiers for Islamists and nothing

Here is a little different, here is the ideological component, here are two opposing ideologies. And this is completely different. There is a nationalistic spirit. And we have?

[Nikolay87]

I can recall that Savchenko, who killed Russian journalists, was exchanged

But surely, I completely forgot. .... Madhouse.

[Mountain shooter]

These sailors ... And so they "got" not of their own free will. SBU officers should be "held back", but who to "deal with" there ...
And the fact that changing criminals to hostages is bad. Highly. But with inadequacies, it didn’t work out differently.
All the same, the fate of people is more important, IMHO. And the sailors, I think, will now be given medals, and then what?

[ROBIN-SON]

Yeah. But the German proletarians with the Schmeiser, gas chambers and KC are also not of their own free will?

[Kenxnumx]

And where is the court decision on the sailors? I was ashamed of a completely rotten process.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ken71

And where is the court decision on the sailors? I was ashamed of a completely rotten process.

Yes, it turns out that the "innocent" were kept in prison and released. Now they are heroes.

[Kenxnumx]

It turns out like this. You are a former military man. Tell me, sometime somewhere they held so long in captivity the alien military who crossed the border in the absence of war. Usually released on identification. The sailors are under oath. And they didn’t do anything, they didn’t even answer the fire.

[ultra]

2. Crossing the State border of the Russian Federation upon entry into the Russian Federation by a foreign citizen or a stateless person whose entry into the Russian Federation is obviously not permitted for the guilty on the grounds provided for by the legislation of the Russian Federation, -
shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles, or by forced labor for a term of up to four years, or by imprisonment for the same term.
(Part 2 as amended by the Federal Law of December 30.12.2012, 312 N XNUMX-ФЗ)
(see the text in the previous wording)
3. The acts provided for by the first or second parts of this Article, committed by a group of persons in a preliminary conspiracy or by an organized group or with the use of violence or with the threat of its use, shall -
shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to six years.

[Kenxnumx]

You found google. Hooray. And what does it say about the military, who are under oath?

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Ken71

You found google. Hooray. And what does it say about the military, who are under oath?

Well, tell me already.

[Kenxnumx]

Have you already been kicked out of there? Well, for example, the coming examples. Our paratroopers on the BMD who entered Ukraine were interviewed, treated and returned home (even with their BMD). Ukrainian soldiers who crossed the border from the militias - were treated, interrogated - returned home. Even the Iranians released the Americans who swam into their waters. Pakistanis let Hindu pilot fly !!! And only we act as the last savages. Yes, and drag out the process in which everything is clear as a white day. They waited until the international tribunal bent.

[ultra]

As a former border guard, I can say that in their case it’s generally good that they remained alive.

[Nikolay87]

As a former border guard, I can say that in their case it’s generally good that they remained alive.

Sorry, I didn’t understand. For whom is it good? And where is the oath? I do not even catch up.

[Kenxnumx]

That’s exactly what’s good, otherwise shame would not be washed away

[ultra]

Can't you wash off Israel?

[monah]

You must have forgotten, or maybe age! The Czechs soaked our border guards directly at the csp type, they seem to have violated the border at 67, although before that they were quietly going to drink beer to each other, is that how?

[Nikolay87]

Quote: monah

You must have forgotten, or maybe age! The Czechs soaked our border guards directly at the csp type, they seem to have violated the border at 67, although before that they were quietly going to drink beer to each other, is that how?

In the 67th I was not politically active, because I was not in the project yet, since my mother had not reached childbearing age
But joking aside, I still cannot put together your statements about the "rotten process over the sailors, serving in prison because oath". Please tell me your logic in order. I don't seem to be stupid, but here it can finally be in a stupor
Do you not like that the sailors were released without trial? Or do you think that due to the fact that they did not respond to "our" fire, they can safely sail home, as under oath? I do not understand..

[Kenxnumx]

You are not asking that, but I will answer. Issues with the military are resolved differently. Military personnel carry out the order and are not liable if the laws of war have not been violated. They cannot fail to fulfill the order and, moreover, they may simply not know that they are violating something. They are responsible for their leadership and their state. Therefore, the process is completely rotten. With civilians, everything would have been decided easier - a fine or a term. The military in the case of peace - at least ordinary soldiers - should simply be questioned and released (returned to the representative of the embassy against signature). This is a normal international practice. Moreover, they did not enter the battle and just tried to escape

[Nikolay87]

There it is. Thanks for the info. I was not in the know. Then it’s clear with the warriors, but what about Sentsov’s account ?! I was reproached that I supposedly didn’t take care of ordinary people (hostages), urging not to let the terrorist go

[Kenxnumx]

And according to Sentsov, as well as according to Savchenko. Strange such an exchange. Beyond the law, it seems to me. Especially on Vyshinsky. According to our court, the journalist is a terrorist. Or is he not such a terrorist?

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Ken71

And according to Sentsov, as well as according to Savchenko. Strange such an exchange. Beyond the law, it seems to me. Especially on Vyshinsky. According to our court, the journalist is a terrorist. Or is he not such a terrorist?

So I already thought so. We don’t know the truth, or maybe just the Ukrainians figured out how to rescue and took a fairly prominent figure hostage, in the person of Vyshinsky.

[ultra]

Bullshit and about beer and about soaked. There generally weapons could not be used. Only if there is a danger to life.

[Nevsky_ZU]

I believe that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation should develop a doctrine and publish it on the legal risks and other consequences of the stay of citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine in view of common family ties. Since Ukraine will arrest another batch of Russians tomorrow, whom it will call agents of the Kremlin, Babchenko will not let him lie. It's time to admit the bitter truth that we have lost Ukraine, this is "New Croatia", where a political nation has been synthesized with a link to assimilation with Galicia.

What am I suggesting to give up? No!

I suggest treating this state as hostile. But it took place not from the point of view of the State and Law, but of a political nation, which is hostile to us by default. Even if God forbid tomorrow Yeltsin-2 comes and he gives up the Crimea, they will aim at the Kuban, Voronezh and Belgorod region. And this is not a joke.

It is necessary to create satellite and Internet channels in the Ukrainian language of all dialects, in priority Galician, Bukovinian and Ruthenian dialects. To create splits within Ukraine not along the line "Are you for Russia or Ukraine / West?" it stopped working already, and between them "We are the true Ukraine, We are the West", etc. It will work, I lived there for 25 years, and I know what I'm talking about. They shouted "Thanks to the residents of Donbass for President P .... ah! Let them now shout to another region (s) of Ukraine. Plus, to tear economically, like America once did Cuba, because they depend on us in many ways.

Unpleasant truth, unpleasant video, but you need to watch:

[Zliy_mod]

The best way to annoy Ukraine is to raise the standard of living at home, at least to the level of Poland, then they will run to you.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Zliy_mod

The best way to annoy Ukraine is to raise the standard of living at home, at least to the level of Poland, then they will run to you.

In the context of a trade war with the West, which has all the keys:
1.International Financial Law and Courts
2.Your payment systems
3. The dollar as a reserve currency
4 ..
And only after 1991 of the year we changed the economic formation and came to the capitalist world, where we have our own charter, which implies the economic food chain, where the place of the Russian Federation is in a fragmented form., Approximately like in 90 or like Ukraine today.
It is surprising that we did not sink below at all.

[carstorm 11]

why should they run to us?) and why should they annoy? can you refuse this honor and let them run the other way? those who wanted or have already arrived or are going to and the rest are the concerns of the EU in which they so sought.

[Antares]

Quote: Zliy_mod

level of Poland, then they themselves will run to you.

no, there is no bond there, they live in debt, they think about people ..
only force make love.
A very good way, because the Russian Federation reached 6th place in the economy under the Cursed West. So why not reach the level of Poland for every Russian. And this Ukraine / Poland and other problems will not be needed.
but this is not our method ...

[Nikolay87]

Partly agree. BUT it is better to voice this doctrine as a warning that the state (s) are hostile to the Russians, in these states you may violate your rights and freedoms. In the event of the latter, protecting your interests will be difficult for Russian diplomats. All. And publish such a list .... Start with the United States and Ukraine .... further on the situation. Just a warning, the main thing is, DUE TO ANY case, such a doctrine (resolution) will be adopted. Those. tacitly state the reason, as well as take a written receipt from going abroad for familiarization.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Nikolay87

Partly agree.

And why in part? Love defensive doctrine? Do not like offensive information special operations on foreign territory? Well then, no Ukraine as a vaccination against the Maidan is enough.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Quote: Nikolay87

Partly agree.

And why in part? Love defensive doctrine? Do not like offensive information special operations? Well then, no Ukraine as a vaccination against the Maidan is enough.

I would not categorically divide it into "defense / attack". The most painful thing is the blows to the economy, and then they themselves will gnaw at their government, or they will descend to the level of no interest to us. I agree with you, we lost Ukraine, but not in 2014, but in the 90s, when the USSR collapsed. The same can be said about Belarus. I don't even know why they are still holding on to us. Capitalism has painted everyone on their own / others. Bringing in capital means your own, causing an outflow of capital or creating problems - integrate with us or you are a stranger. All.

[Pavel57]

For the other side, having a hostage pool is always profitable.

[Guards turn]

Nobody asked me and will not ask, but I do not agree. Sentsov, Klykh, Karpyuk ... "cutlets separately, flies separately."

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

The exchange began: Kirill Vyshinsky flew to Moscow

Although it will heal normally and will not see, all this filth that is happening there.

[Ural resident]

This is a very bad precedent. Violators must serve the time specified for them. Now it will be clear that it is possible to do any provocations against Russia, while taking its citizens as a pledge, and then simply exchanging it ad infinitum. This step makes it clear to our "partner" that the language of hostage ultimatums works.

[Kronos]

Jews are tough people but they changed their own

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Ken71

And where is the court decision on the sailors? I was ashamed of a completely rotten process.

It seems someone on the blue eye swore and swore, beat himself with a hoof in the chest, that we have a rule of law ... and before the court decision ... no, no. and even OH-SAM cannot do anything!
It turns out everything he can and ... the state is not at all legal. This is called differently.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: kunstkammer

Quote: Ken71

And where is the court decision on the sailors? I was ashamed of a completely rotten process.

It seems someone on the blue eye swore and swore, beat himself with a hoof in the chest, that we have a rule of law ... and before the court decision ... no, no. and even OH-SAM cannot do anything!
It turns out everything he can and ... the state is not at all legal. This is called differently.

who are you talking about?

[bbtcs]

Stop scolding Ukraine - since there is no entertaining war - it’s not interesting!
Reduce military spending, increase social benefits! Build clinics. Oil and not guns! I saw a man at work, doing something for the military, and he had torn shoes. Where is the pay for work on the military? They shook hands and thanks for that? What does this military protect from Estonians / Ukrainians? Torn shoes? Hungry Pie? Or do you want to occupy Estonia / Ukraine, will we have more pies? The army must defend the country from Shamil Basayev. There is no Shamil, there’s nothing to boast about and be rude!

[bbtcs]

Quote: Nikolay87

I do not judge, but I would like to believe that they are all polls officers of the GRU / SVR?

They said so! And if an ordinary person is captured, does he need to rot in prison? Or are they not capturing the simple ones? You serve less, and think more about ordinary people!
Thanks Zelensky. And to Putin too. Shitty place - dungeons.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: bbtcs

Quote: Nikolay87

I do not judge, but I would like to believe that they are all polls officers of the GRU / SVR?

They said so! And if an ordinary person is captured, does he need to rot in prison? Or are they not capturing the simple ones? You serve less, and think more about ordinary people!
Thanks Zelensky. And to Putin too. Shitty place - dungeons.

You did not understand. I am concerned about the dilemma itself. Since such an obvious solution to this problem is fraught with the fact that this will be repeated on a regular basis, as I wrote about ....

[Ros 56]

And tomorrow they will capture you or your relatives, so what? And we do not have their banderlog by chance on the bunk and again the question is what?

[Military77]

Quote: Ken71

You found google. Hooray. And what does it say about the military, who are under oath?

About the military, who on military equipment crossed the border of another state? At least an act of aggression, at a maximum - an invasion. And the answer can be any reaction, up to the war. So cheaply got off.

[Ros 56]

Did ours equalize Vyshinsky and Sentsov, exchange an ordinary citizen for a criminal? And what do we get in the dry residue? Well, well, we'll take a look.

[APASUS]

Probably Ukraine is the only state in the world that takes its own citizens hostage and then extradits them to Russia.

[georggy]

journalist Kirill Vyshinsky has already flown to Moscow

For a hundred years he has not been needed here.