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Unusual conclusions announced on the death of a conscript soldier at the training ground

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A medical situational examination was completed in the case of the 19-year conscript dead at the Pogonovo training ground. Her results were unexpected. It is reported by the city Voronezh portal "City Committee 36."



Medical experts tend to consider the death of a conscript soldier from Korenovsk (Krasnodar Territory) at the Pogonovo training ground (Voronezh Region) in February 2019 as suicide. In this case, questions to the examination are caused by the fact that the soldier found in the tent for washing dishes had his hands tied and a plastic bag wrapped in tape on his head.

Forensic experts showed that Stepan Tsymbal - that was the name of the deceased - could put a plastic bag on his head and wrap his hands with tape. The lawyer of the family of the deceased admits such a version, but notes that there is no objective data for her, since the examination has so far been carried out only on the basis of witnesses and an investigative experiment.

The examination was called upon to answer the question: “Could he have torn the bag?” Yes, he could. Hands were wrapped, but this did not prevent them from being brought to his face and removed the bag.

- quotes the words of the lawyer "City Committee 36."



The deceased did not remove the package


Despite the opportunity to disrupt the package, the deceased did not. Doctors say that in such a situation, the instinct of self-preservation should work.

At the moment, a forensic psychological examination should give its opinion on the case. It should help determine if the soldier could have mental illnesses that could affect Tsymbal’s actions.

It is assumed that the RF IC in the Voronezh garrison can re-qualify the case from murder to suicide. Relatives of the deceased refuse to accept this version of the death of his son.
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 6 September 2019 09: 08
    +55
    But. This is strong.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 September 2019 09: 10
      +35
      Doubts are big about suicide ..
      1. zache
        zache 6 September 2019 09: 16
        +16
        Just doubts ???
        1. yehat
          yehat 6 September 2019 11: 08
          +36
          Quote: zaches
          Just doubts ???

          They discuss whether the victim after death could make 2 control shots to the head.
        2. Rwmos
          Rwmos 6 September 2019 12: 15
          +32
          The linden should be linden, not oak. At death from asphyxia (suffocation), consciousness is first cut off, for some time reflex activity is still going on. He would have ripped off or tore a package for himself, on a pure reflex, what is called "outside the knowledge". Hands held. In order to voluntarily drown yourself, for example, you have to hit yourself on the head with a stone, otherwise consciousness will be cut off, and a person will emerge
          It's a pure criminal.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 September 2019 12: 29
            +22
            Quote: RWMos
            At death from asphyxia (suffocation), consciousness is first cut off, for some time reflex activity is still going on. He would have ripped off or tore a package for himself, on a pure reflex, what is called "outside the knowledge". Hands held.

            is logical.

            Moreover, no one will be able to explain HOW a person trying to kill himself, allegedly, shook his hands ... with tape request

            Let the "experts" test it for themselves.
            1. friend of animals
              friend of animals 6 September 2019 12: 54
              -15
              Due to the force of gravity and rotational movements, he could wind up tape on his hands, and the paper blank would simply come off and fly off to the side. I doubt very much about the unconscious tearing of the packet.
              1. Crane
                Crane 6 September 2019 18: 44
                +23
                Due to the force of gravity and rotational movements, he could wind up tape on his hands, and the paper blank would simply come off and fly off to the side.
                ==============
                was already
                "They fished out a bag from the river - there was a corpse in it, wrapped in duct tape. Operational search measures established:
                citizen Ivanov V.V. such and such a number stood on the bridge and manipulated with tape. With a gust of wind, he became entangled in scotch tape, bent over the parapet and fell
                in a sports bag suspended by a bridge. The straps of the bag broke and V.V. Ivanov
                fell into the river. (the straps were actually torn). The current in the river is
                so many km / h. Due to the rubbing of the bag’s zipper on the bottom stones, the bag fastened.
                Refuse to institute criminal proceedings under Article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for lack of
                corpus delicti. "
                1. friend of animals
                  friend of animals 6 September 2019 20: 40
                  -3
                  If bruises are not found, then what remains. It also happens that people strangle themselves in the process of erotic games.
                  1. Tibidokh
                    Tibidokh 7 September 2019 18: 14
                    0
                    Quote: friend of beasts
                    It also happens that people strangle themselves in the process of erotic games.

                    So strangle yourself. Why write nonsense about the deceased, not ashamed? Or do you get a penny for this from someone?
                    1. friend of animals
                      friend of animals 8 September 2019 09: 33
                      -2
                      You can joke about everything, or about anything. Stop moralizing, you will forget about this deceased the next day. A rare, but quite natural event for our army, and for any army in general. Ohami yes ahami nothing to fix. I would be happy to get a penny for posts on the Internet, but this job is not so easy to get.
                  2. tatarin1972
                    tatarin1972 7 September 2019 18: 44
                    0
                    In this case, it’s very similar to the erotic games at the training ground¡¡¡ Just the time and place¡¡¡
                2. Mihail2019
                  Mihail2019 6 September 2019 20: 58
                  +4
                  It’s logical for a person with a military machine during exercises ...
                  He had no other options to "kill himself" well, just not a single one !!
            2. FIREMAN
              FIREMAN 7 September 2019 15: 27
              -6
              Take a sensible textbook on forensic psychiatry and forensic medicine. I will give you another version. The fact is that with asphyxia in men, the release of seminal fluid occurs. At the same time, he experiences sexual pleasure. The same thing happens when hanging when there is no rupture of the spinal column. Here on the forum there are software employees who go to gallows very often. So when hanging there is urination, feces and ejaculation. There is such a sexual perversion in which a person specifically brings himself to a state of asphyxia in which he experiences an orgasm. I ask a question: how do soldiers remove women’s cravings for women? Do you read books or jerk the toilet closet? From the article it is not clear where the hands were tied in front or behind. Most likely in the front, if the examination could remove the package.
              Thus, he deliberately retired and tried to enjoy himself in this way. Such cases are described in forensics.
              1. private person
                private person 7 September 2019 16: 20
                +1
                Most likely in the front, if the examination could remove the package.
                Thus, he deliberately retired and tried to enjoy himself in this way.

                Do you judge by yourself? And if, as an option, a girl with low social responsibility is not considered by you?
                1. FIREMAN
                  FIREMAN 7 September 2019 22: 56
                  0
                  And here on its own. I just offered a version. Or here it is no longer possible. And the opinion should be at least reasoned. Ask at least familiar physicians. This is told at the medical institute who is studying at medical court.
              2. Minato2020
                Minato2020 7 September 2019 20: 22
                +1
                FIREMAN Take a sensible textbook on forensic psychiatry and forensic medicine ...


                I don’t have a textbook on forensic psychiatry and forensic medicine ...

                FIREMAN I will give you another version. The fact is that with asphyxia in men, the release of seminal fluid occurs. However, he experiences sexual pleasure ...


                It is necessary to ask athletes, such as wrestlers or judokas, is it true that when they are strangled on the tatami they feel pleasure ...

                FIREMAN There is such a sexual perversion in which a person deliberately brings himself to a state of asphyxia in which he experiences an orgasm ...


                That is, the medical commission during the call process can overlook the sexual perverts?

                FIREMAN I ask a question: are soldiers pulling women off in the army? Do you read books or jerk the toilet closet?


                But really - how in the army do you remove the craving for women?

                FIREMAN Thus, he deliberately retired and tried to enjoy himself in this way. Such cases are described in forensics.


                If I wanted to retire, I would choose a place where they would not be found right away, and not a tent for washing ...
                1. FIREMAN
                  FIREMAN 7 September 2019 23: 01
                  0
                  And here the wrestlers and judokas. You about one you about another. It is about the effects of asphyxiation.
                  About how to remove ask those who urgently served. They will explain to you in detail. With various proverbs and sayings.
                  1. FIREMAN
                    FIREMAN 7 September 2019 23: 15
                    +1
                    https://studfiles.net › page:14
                    Pigolkin Yu.I.; Barinov E.Kh. Forensic science textbook 2002 ... if you banned Google. It is written there.
                  2. Minato2020
                    Minato2020 7 September 2019 23: 44
                    -1
                    FIREMAN] And here the wrestlers and judokas. You about one you about another. It is about the consequences of asphyxiation ...

                    Wrestlers and judokas are also strangled - do they experience euphoria?

                    About how to remove ask those who urgently served. They will explain to you in detail. With various proverbs and sayings ...

                    He will ask no one. Therefore, I am interested in here. How to relieve stress now? I don’t ask about the USSR, because they already explained that bromine was added to the compote.

                    https://studfiles.net › page:14
                    Pigolkin Yu.I.; Barinov E.Kh. Forensic science textbook 2002 ... if you banned Google. It is written there.


                    Thanks for the link. Although it is unlikely there will be an opportunity to get acquainted - I will add to my bookmarks.
                    Prefer reading something like Milgram's experiment, experiment 2: The Wave
                    PS I do not use Google - I prefer Yandex.
                  3. private person
                    private person 8 September 2019 08: 02
                    0
                    About how to remove ask those who urgently served. They will explain to you in detail. With various proverbs and sayings.

                    If the holiday is sports, if the holiday is active! This is how nonsense was kicked out of our heads. And in your army some onanists and perverts? Did you serve For the sake of experiment, try wrapping your hands with tape at least from the front while not even putting a bag over your head or with a bag. What will you do?
                    1. FIREMAN
                      FIREMAN 8 September 2019 08: 31
                      0
                      Served. This business is irrelevant. And that's all. I know that everything happens. And that too.
                      About scotch tape. Elementary. Take the unwind the first half a meter. Do the first round (weakened). And then either hang the roll on a nail and mota, or with the knees of both legs, just as they unwind a self-tightening loop from a trouser belt.
                      1. FIREMAN
                        FIREMAN 8 September 2019 08: 43
                        0
                        And now the subject. The package and scotch tape were most likely assigned to a comprehensive fingerprint and genetic examination. If there is nothing on the bag except the traces of the hands and DNA of the deceased, is this a reason to think, TRUTH? The second note may not be dying, if he decided to do it spontaneously, but could communicate with someone on social networks and messengers about this or there have been attempts about which neither his parents nor he told anyone. To do this, you need to interview relatives, friends and colleagues., And also appoint a computer technical expertise on the computer that remained at his place and climb into his phone. With former girls to chat and then the picture will become transparent to disgrace.
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                      3. FIREMAN
                        FIREMAN 8 September 2019 17: 18
                        0
                        I do not want to say that it was with him. This is one of the versions that requires verification. we were told about this in forensic psychiatry classes. And on suicides I have seen enough of all and in large numbers. For any deviations there, look at the statistics on sex crimes. With the advent of the Internet, there is a dynamic to its growth. Availability. Advanced Generation.
                        I noticed, here people set up assumptions: they killed, could not. I put everything on the shelves above. A couple of adequate comments, emotions generally have no place in the investigation, only the facts and their analysis. I haven’t seen a relative yet who immediately said that his son or daughter committed the suicide themselves. Some gynecologists. Watched movies about the FES or Return of the Pukhtar and raced: the cockroaches stole the piano.
                      4. FIREMAN
                        FIREMAN 8 September 2019 17: 26
                        0
                        And in addition. For fun, read an interview with famous people whose children were addicted to drugs or alcohol and died. A couple of people may have confessed. And the majority in the interview say streamlined: he died tragically at the age of 26. He died. Addict, mom bought him an apartment to live separately and did not compromise her - a famous person. And when he tied the laces in the hallway, a stroke happened to him.
                        The question is the presentation of information. They will wind up public opinion. Do not like the findings of the examination, conduct a second one at another expert institution, apply for a polygraph against the unit commander and colleagues.
                      5. private person
                        private person 8 September 2019 18: 54
                        0
                        My son has a draft committee in October and I am more concerned about the atmosphere in the troops. They made a kindergarten out of the army, and here’s the result. For me, the more soldiers physically busy (of course, within reason), the better the less dissent in the head.
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              4. mmaxx
                mmaxx 8 September 2019 06: 48
                0
                If the service is normal, then the first six months or a year is not that satisfaction is not necessary, but it stops standing. There is no perversion.
              5. mmaxx
                mmaxx 8 September 2019 16: 11
                0
                The soldier-year-old only has concerns about how to escape, buy adhesive tape and other things to finish brighter. In the army, people can mock suicide. And then what? On the civilian people do not have so much foolishness. I just want to write nonsense.
                I know everything. A soldier can come up with a lot of things, but end up tying his hands with a bag on his head ????
            3. Ten60
              Ten60 8 September 2019 08: 40
              0
              And remember: after all, the non-commissioned widow fluttered herself!
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      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 September 2019 10: 17
        +15
        Quote: Svarog
        Doubts are big about suicide ..

        Be that as it may, any of the options is bad in its finale. There is no man, grief in the family, a stain on the army.
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 7 September 2019 05: 31
        +2
        I remembered the movie Cops. A corpse was found in the river in the bag of the Chinese dream of the occupier, his hands were tied with tape ....... the conclusion was that he was doing something with tape on the bridge, the bag fell off, fell into it, got tangled in tape, the bag fell into the water ... the prosecutor accepted. True, there was some kind of criminal in the bag, but everything seems to be equal before the law.
    2. Maz
      Maz 6 September 2019 14: 31
      +6
      Dark business. It is necessary to interrogate everyone who was surrounded. especially on duty and daily. Their duty to maintain order is impossible to pass by them day and night. At the same time, a duty officer, his assistant and sentries at the training ground. little data. Is this some kind of special order, until the end of the investigation to write about the incident and excite everyone around? not done a damn but already painted?
      1. Mihail2019
        Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 07
        +16
        Aha, otherwise it is not clear that one or two were holding the "bespectacled" man, while the other, mocking him, strangled him. One "overdid it", in the end - the kid's corpse.
        And the commanders "criminal" with the appropriate "exhaust" for a career - generally "not in the subject."
        Then the "mutual responsibility" rushed, and from the rank and file to the district level, including the military "trailblazer".
        That's all - as if this is news.
        1. Mihail2019
          Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 14
          +10
          I can imagine what kind of mechanisms there "creaked".
          Well this state of emergency - a lot of quarries under the tail of the dog!
          Well, at least for the next year, that's for sure!
          Failure indicators - then, for the money will be punished!
          At the academy, they will not take anyone from this unit, definitely!
          1. Maalkavianin
            Maalkavianin 7 September 2019 07: 37
            +2
            That's for sure. Because of ignorance, they believe that such incidents are slowed down, and they don’t even know how many heads fly because of such incidents, and quite serious, how many posts are sent to the trash. And it doesn’t matter if they talked about it in the media or not.
            1. Minato2020
              Minato2020 7 September 2019 20: 27
              0
              Quote: Malkavianin
              That's for sure. Because of ignorance, they believe that such incidents are slowed down, and they don’t even know how many heads fly because of such incidents, and quite serious, how many posts are sent to the trash. And it doesn’t matter if they talked about it in the media or not.


              It’s bad when, due to ignorance, they believe that such incidents are slowed down. The command must come to the parents and repeat their version of what happened, looking into their eyes.
              1. Maalkavianin
                Maalkavianin 7 September 2019 21: 53
                0
                Quote: Minato2020
                The command must come to the parents and repeat their version of what happened, looking into their eyes.
                Well, if they live there nearby, they will inform you personally, and it’s like the military commissar should do this.
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 6 September 2019 14: 36
      +9
      Shame, and why are army draftees so mowing ...
    4. Needle
      Needle 6 September 2019 19: 09
      +4
      From the very beginning everything was "strong"

      https://topwar.ru/154125-ocherednaja-smert-v-zvo-pod-ocherednuju-lozh-minoborony.html
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 7 September 2019 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: Needle
        From the very beginning everything was "strong"
        https://topwar.ru/154125-ocherednaja-smert-v-zvo-pod-ocherednuju-lozh-minoborony.html


        In the above article "Another death in ZVO under the next lie of the Ministry of Defense"it was discussed that it was necessary to wait for the results of the investigation.
        And now six months have passed - what is the result?
        So far, the medical and situational examination in the case of a 19-year-old conscript dead at the Pogonovo training ground has just been completed.
        For half a year for examination - is this the norm?
        Its results were unexpected - for whom unexpected?
        There are more questions, we will wait another six months ... then another, and more ...
  2. 210ox
    210ox 6 September 2019 09: 09
    +33
    Some game ... Condolences to the family and friends ..
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 6 September 2019 09: 17
      +21
      Quote: 210ox
      Some game ... Condolences to the family and friends ..

      At lectures on forensic science, the professor talked about the unique suicide attempts by the same unfortunate ones until he reached his goal. Relatives have the opportunity to demand an independent examination. The article is superficial, it is impossible to judge the objectivity of the investigation. If this is a murder, there should be minimal signs of struggle on the face, limbs, trunk. In this part, I would conduct a large-scale audit, and first of all, in places of storage of ammunition and other property. may have removed the witness. On the u-tube there are no videos about the miracles taking place in the barracks in the absence of control of officers.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 29
        -6
        what kills so much so that before the old-timers kept this all in check, though not without excesses, but now the one who is the stronger is the one who bends. when they transferred for a year they said everything in a row, do not do it but ...
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 6 September 2019 10: 05
          +42
          There is no need to carry nonsense, before suicides and killings in the army were at least no less.

          Hazing is the evil and shame of the Russian army.
      2. Mihail2019
        Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 22
        +1
        Father, a traumatologist-orthopedist all his life, the kingdom of heaven to him, said that anyone who wants to kill himself will do it anyway!
        If he really wants it or he needs it! But he saw "attempts" of suicide on a regular basis due to his professional activities.
        And, he said, after these attempts, after when he collected them in parts, they really wanted to live !!!
        And they lived!
    2. TRex
      TRex 6 September 2019 14: 53
      0
      I personally had a case in the training unit: my mother and younger sister came to take the oath to the young warrior. The guy saw his relatives at the checkpoint, ate pies and gingerbread cookies. Everything was perfect. The next day, the oath of young replenishment was appointed, after which he was supposed to be released on dismissal to have a closer meeting with his family ... The guy retired to the educational building in the evening (he was dying there), put a bag on his head, sprayed some rubbish there, which his sister brought to him and died successfully. I found him on duty at two o'clock in the morning, when he came to change his workmate. In short, in the morning when the mother came to the building, she was waiting for the news ... It was in Sevastopol, the year in 1987 or a little later. So it happens. I don’t know what’s in their head - brains or just snot ...
      1. Rwmos
        Rwmos 6 September 2019 15: 01
        0
        Dichlorvosniki (glue sniffed the moment). These often died in packages at that time. "Parish" caught, but the package was not enough to remove. Who is smarter at that time hid the package under the jacket, the neck out. He bent his head, sniffed, and went on. Seen enough of them in due time ...
        1. Megamarcel
          Megamarcel 6 September 2019 19: 36
          +4
          Yes, my friend you experience. Dichlorvos has probably brought relatives.
          1. Mihail2019
            Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 26
            +2
            Sis, yeah ..
            Caring turned out to be!
            In the late 80s, yeah, there was such a fashion .. Against the background of "new thinking", his mother.
            1. Mihail2019
              Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 32
              0
              Then there was an "anti-alcohol company" from Gorbach, if anyone does not remember.
              Just in the 87th.
              Brains fooled themselves who than.
              There were no drugs yet. Here "dichlorvos" and poisoned.
              But in 93-98 (I don’t remember exactly the year, starting from the 93rd) - syringes on the porches were actually swept out with brooms.
              1. Barmal
                Barmal 8 September 2019 03: 32
                0
                Glue Moment !! as I remember right now, the boy of a cyclist with a bag in his hand, he will twist it at speed, twist it and put his neck to his face, breathe into himself with a drag and pedaling everything goes and rides. The year was 91y -93 tiy, I will not even mention it. After the collapse of the Union, for sure
      2. Mihail2019
        Mihail2019 6 September 2019 21: 53
        0
        Dad said that his acquaintances, pathologists, said that the "dichlorvosniks" did not really have brains, but "some snot" were found during the autopsy.
        1. Minato2020
          Minato2020 7 September 2019 21: 38
          0
          In this particular case, no one has stated about the use of glue, dichlorvos and other similar substances.
  3. Alex_59
    Alex_59 6 September 2019 09: 17
    +6
    Suicides usually try to declare themselves loudly by means of their death (cigan from the roof in front of everyone's eyes), and also choose the least painful ways of death. It is hard to imagine that these factors corresponded to a quiet death in a tent, away from people, and even in such a painful way - through strangulation in a bag.
    Power again rocking the boat to itself ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 26
      +12
      where does the power then? This SC garrison deals with crap.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 6 September 2019 09: 49
        +8
        Quote: carstorm 11
        SK garrison crap deals.

        Also representatives of the authorities.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 57
          +1
          these are the followers of the GVSU SK. military trackers if rude.
        2. Barmal
          Barmal 8 September 2019 03: 35
          0
          you, my friend, what country do you live in? What type of junta or what? What are such military representatives of the Government?
      2. tomket
        tomket 6 September 2019 10: 18
        +29
        Quote: carstorm 11
        where does the power then? This SC garrison deals with crap.

        Along the way, "Drunken Boy" appeared - version 2.0. The fact that the garrison authorities are doing crap is already clear. The fact that there is some kind of intra-corporate interest is also understandable. I think if the whole shoblu, which was involved with the fraud and falsifications in the "Drunken Boy" case, were exponentially sent to maximum speed, then not many would have a desire to do something like that. And so, apparently we need another scandal, so that there would be on top of it. Well, in fact, is it possible with the authorities in any other way?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 September 2019 10: 45
          +7
          I don’t understand anything else, what is so substituted in their head ... after all, this will not be written off. anyway, there will certainly be a scandal. what is the calculation? Well, only a stupid person will be so substituted even if ordered.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 6 September 2019 11: 35
            +7
            I don’t understand anything else, what is so substituted in their head ... after all, this will not be written off. anyway, there will certainly be a scandal. what is the calculation?

            Even as written off. Grandfather beat my relative to death. Everyone hushed up, did not punish anyone.
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 6 September 2019 12: 24
          +2
          Remote investigation method from the couch? belay Is everything clear to Sherlocks?
          My brother served in one brigade of the Western Military District. In a year, 12 funerals passed through him. Everything from stupidity, idiocy or drunkenness. One just in front of everyone on the parade ground said "do you think I'm weak?" , put a machine gun to his chin and blew his brains out. They wrote - careless handling of weapons. Two of them stupidly choked on drunken vomit in the kunga. They wrote - carbon monoxide poisoning. In each case, the unit's hand corrected the REASONS OF DEATH SO THAT THEY LOOK DECENT AND THE FAMILIES RECEIVED COMPENSATION.
          What will come up as a result of the investigation into the death of this guy - xs. Maybe as a result, the family also should be if the cause of death is not at all obvious, and the family has already been paid compensation. The age is such that the youngsters tear the roof. Hormones multiplied by heightened teenage feelings are a terrible cocktail. request
          Mutual relationships are of course also possible, but I think that in this case both the package and the adhesive tape would be removed. Killing by one of the officers? It is also unlikely. Opportunities to arrange ns or portray it in any part is full. Arranging such jokes with tape and a bag on his head is at least strange. Nobody needs to attract attention. In any case, there is no other way to find out the truth besides investigation and examination.
          But the pinkerton couches and wrestlers don't really need it, right? I need a reason for tantrum, and everyone doesn’t give a damn about the guy from the high tower. This reminds me of how photographers dragged a dead Syrian boy along the beach for better photography.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 6 September 2019 14: 59
            +2
            Quote: g1v2
            In each case, the hand-in part corrected the REASONS FOR DEATH IN such a way that they looked decent, and the families received compensation.

            You describe everything absolutely correctly - it is precisely with such motives that commanders are sometimes guided when ordinary everyday death, by their own stupidity, is disguised as an accident during the performance of a combat mission. This happened to us on Saturday with one officer who suffocated early in the morning from the exhaust fumes of his car. Death is ridiculous and outside of service. In order for his family to receive all possible benefits and payments, the reason for the investigation appeared in the investigation materials that he had been assigned the task of departing in the next garrison in the morning to perform official tasks in his own car, as official could not allocate. This happens in many cases, but some exposers simply do not know how this happens in real life.
          2. Mihail2019
            Mihail2019 6 September 2019 22: 29
            +1
            However, wrapping adhesive tape on your hands and putting a plastic bag over your head while suffocating is more than an extravagant way to end your life in the army. Do not find?
            In this case, it is necessary to check either the military registration and enlistment office, which called in such an "inadequate" to the army, or the immediate commander, who "overlooked" the change in the psyche of a normal kid called by a normal military registration and enlistment office, or check the activities of the commander himself, who in principle allowed this!
            His fighter managed to "strangle himself" - that is, he allowed the loss of control of the military unit entrusted to him!
            And this is a direct violation of the Military Regulations!
            And which one is the commander after that ?!
          3. Minato2020
            Minato2020 7 September 2019 21: 59
            -3
            Quote: g1v2
            That is, what will come up as a result of the investigation into the death of this guy - xs. Maybe as a result, the family also should be, if the cause of death is not at all obvious, and the family has already been paid compensation ...

            That is, to oblige parents to pay monetary compensation for moral damage caused by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? What a twist )))

            The age is such that the youngsters tear the roof. Hormones multiplied by heightened teenage feelings are a terrible cocktail. request

            Actually, this age is 13-15 years, when the teenager has hormonal changes.

            Mutual relationships are of course also possible, but I think that in this case both the package and the adhesive tape would be removed ...

            Then they would have removed other evidence too - a military ID, a mobile phone, a pectoral cross, glasses. Would try to get rid of the body ...

            Nobody needs to attract attention. In any case, there is no other way to find out the truth, except for investigation and examination ...

            Someone does not need to attract attention. So we will never know the truth - an investigation is underway, the examination has already taken place ...
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 7 September 2019 22: 52
              +2
              If the family has already been paid compensation, and the cause of death does not appear to involve such compensation, then the money paid should be returned by law. And of course, if the command of the unit ennobled the causes of death so that compensation was paid, then they would punish him for fake. But here the law is required to return the money required. request
              Sense of getting rid of the body? Did you even serve in the army? In the evening, at the evening verification, the absence of the missing person will be revealed and the whole part will go to look for him. A conscript will not leave for a checkpoint without a dismissal. So they will be looking for the territory. And the type of finding the blind man does not recognize him? Without "military ID, telephone, cross", etc.? It's funny.
              You don’t really need, but a reason to throw shit on the fan. And it may not be. Sorry. request Although if there is no real reason, then come up with. In the nose, the main thing is to dig deeper. wink
              1. Minato2020
                Minato2020 7 September 2019 23: 29
                -3
                Quote: g1v2
                If the family has already been paid compensation, and the cause of death does not appear to involve such compensation, then the money paid should be returned by law ...

                I can’t believe that they paid compensation, most likely they will not pay until the end of the investigation, that is, there will be no compensation from the word at all.

                Quote: g1v2
                And of course, if the command of the unit ennobled the causes of death so that compensation was paid, then they would punish him for fake. But here the law is required to return the money required. request

                I can’t believe in nobility, especially of senior military officials.
                Because
                We have officers of 3 kinds.
                Officers, if necessary, are not feeling capable of another means of supporting existence.
                Carefree officers are people who serve only for their uniform or petty vanity and despise the essence of military service.
                And the largest department - swindling officers serving for one purpose - to steal in any way. These are people without a thought of duty and honor, without the slightest desire for the common good, people who are among themselves a huge corporation of robbers helping each other. People who consider honesty stupid, the concept of duty as madness, infecting the young and fresh generation with this correct and frank system of self-interest and extortion.
                Mercenary generals, ambitious, and generals, because one must someday be a general.
                The general, for the most part, is an obsolete, tired, exhausted creature who has passed in patience and unconsciousness all the necessary degrees of humiliation, idleness and extortion to achieve this title - people without intelligence, education and energy.
                The main defects of our army: poverty of maintenance; barriers to raising capable people; spirit of oppression; seniority; extortion ...


                Quote: g1v2
                Sense of getting rid of the body? Did you even serve in the army? In the evening, on the evening verification, the absence of the missing person will be revealed and the whole part will go looking for him. For a checkpoint without a layoff, the conscript will not leave. So they will search on the territory. And they don’t recognize him, having found a blind man? ..

                The meaning of getting rid of the body in real life? Relatives and friends will grab him. They will search with dogs ... In six months they will find random mushroom pickers in a ravine ... or they will find a drowned man in a zipped-up bag wrapped with scotch tape ... is it sense to get rid of the body?

                Quote: g1v2
                Without "military ID, telephone, cross", etc.? Funny ...

                This is from an article on TopVar Another death in ZVO under the next lie of the Ministry of Defense
                https://topwar.ru/154125-ocherednaja-smert-v-zvo-pod-ocherednuju-lozh-minoborony.html
                Quote: Equally, they could not plainly answer where Stepan’s personal belongings and documents disappeared: military ID, death certificate, telephone, body cross, glasses. Well, they forgot to bring the phone, although they were obliged, as it could have included some clues for the investigation. Or maybe that's why they didn’t bring it.
                In the same way, the last evening of Stepan was very slurred. I didn’t go to dinner in the evening, said that he would stay in the tent ...


                Quote: g1v2
                You don’t really need, but a reason to throw on the fan. And it may not be ...


                What is needed is not truth, but justice.
                1. Barmal
                  Barmal 8 September 2019 03: 42
                  +2
                  and in your own words about the types of officers does not work? I have vague suspicions that you are more a master of literature. Can you wrap footcloths?
                  1. Minato2020
                    Minato2020 8 September 2019 03: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: Barmal
                    And in your own words about the types of officers does not work? I have vague suspicions that you are more a master of literature. Can you wrap footcloths?


                    And why come up with something when there are classics.
                    Footcloths are the last century.
                    1. Barmal
                      Barmal 8 September 2019 03: 59
                      0
                      and you, so to speak, from a new century? And about officers you took a quote from what century? 19 th? And isn’t it embarrassing, my friend, to transgender something about the army? understanding nothing in it.
                      1. Minato2020
                        Minato2020 8 September 2019 04: 07
                        0
                        And what has changed - computers have appeared, people do not change
                      2. Barmal
                        Barmal 8 September 2019 21: 09
                        0
                        Yes, there are still many of us, but Russia is being watered as before. Herzen's gentlemen are not extinct.
                      3. Minato2020
                        Minato2020 16 September 2019 15: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Barmal
                        Yes, there are many more of us, but Russia is watered as before. Herzen's gentlemen are not extinct.


                        Herzen usually leave for London and stay there
                        Maybe someone goes to the service to benefit the Fatherland
                        But more often in our time they go to the service to earn
            2. mmaxx
              mmaxx 8 September 2019 16: 04
              0
              MO will dodge, but will not pay.
              Shoigu came, they began to praise the army. But essentially nothing has changed there. People are the same.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 6 September 2019 11: 00
      +2
      Suicides use a variety of methods and more often all alone, and not to show.
    3. Normal
      Normal 6 September 2019 11: 42
      +3
      Not certainly in that way. Those who want to defiantly commit suicide, as a rule, do not do this, or rather do it, but in such a way that they are saved using mild methods. The vast majority of such suicides are hysterical individuals. These love window dressing, wringing hands, screaming, tears, sobbing. Many had a chance to see such a psychotype. At one of them I’m watching, on my wrist, such a tiny two tiny stripes, I ask: what is this? She: suicide attempt. Where did it happen? - visiting relatives ... That is, you understand what I mean? Such demonstrative individuals knowingly choose such places and a time where they are guaranteed to be saved, and the injuries themselves are so minimal that there can be no death. But judging by the photo of the guy, he just refers to another psychotype: astheno-neurotic. It can be a psychasthenic, asthenic, or sensitive. These just complete in 90% of cases conceived to the end. By the way, most of all in the Second World War, such personalities performed feats of self-sacrifice. But I do not claim that it was a suicide, just the same way I doubt it very much. Again a form of suicide. You can flinch under the train from the roof by taking a step, but drowning yourself in the bathroom or putting a bag on your head is impossible. Self-preservation instinct will work, it's absolutely! The only option under something, when you passed out, then of course you can drown or suffocate in your own bathroom. The guy is sooooo sorry.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 6 September 2019 11: 59
        +3
        I, as I understand it, you have a relationship
        Quote: Normal
        Many had a chance to see such a psychotype.

        Here you are, writing ...
        Quote: Normal
        Self-preservation instinct will work, it's absolutely!

        And I agree with you, but ... In my life, there was a man who passed away (strangulation), kneeling down. And the hands were not tied, but the instinct did not work. Or was crushed.
        1. Normal
          Normal 6 September 2019 12: 02
          +2
          Yes, I have a relationship, you are right. Regarding the described case: a noose? The question is, if the noose, was it fixed to something? Otherwise, as soon as a person squeezes a noose around his neck, he will lose consciousness, his muscles will weaken, and his hands will release the noose.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 6 September 2019 12: 04
            0
            No. A loop. On the door handle.
            1. Normal
              Normal 6 September 2019 12: 33
              +4
              With strangulation, more often than with hanging, fractures of the hyoid bone, cartilage of the larynx are found. Perhaps in your case described just happened. I am sorry for the person you told about.
      2. minus
        minus 7 September 2019 13: 29
        -2
        Has I identified a psychotype from the photograph? Yes, you are a psychic ... Don’t carry a damn thing ....
        1. Normal
          Normal 7 September 2019 16: 42
          +1
          Just you wrote a damn thing. Okay, we’ll write it off on Saturday .... or simply because the eccentric?
          Hello to you from Ernst Kretschmer. Take care of yourself, do not run the disease on its own.
          1. minus
            minus 7 September 2019 18: 10
            0
            * Although Kretschmer did not join the NSDAP, on November 11, 1933 he signed the “Vow of allegiance to professors of German universities and secondary schools to Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist State” (German: Bekenntnis der Professoren an den deutschen Universitäten und Hochschulen zu Adolf Hitler und dem nationalsozialistischen Staat ”) and supported the SS [4]. According to Hade, in the early summer of 1941, he was a participant in a meeting of the advisory board for the T-4 program [4]. According to Elizabeth Encke, in 1940 he visited the Euthanasia Center of Luxembourg [4]. In addition, he was a military psychiatrist with the rank of Ober-Feldarzt in the military district Ⅸ in Marburg [4]. * You have interesting authorities, however ....
            1. Normal
              Normal 7 September 2019 18: 35
              0
              Why the hell are you setting out for Wikipedia, bast shoes? you read about what he has developed, read about the structure of body types and their connection with the psyche, and then put off the larvae where you remain with your bast shoes. And henceforth, before blurs where, if not in the subject, at least open the Internet. stultus!
              1. Barmal
                Barmal 8 September 2019 03: 51
                0
                Werner von Braun nods to you from NASA's Space Center Houston. You can determine the psychotype from the photograph. Regardless of the NSDAP and other SS.
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 6 September 2019 09: 19
    +2
    In general, everything is incomprehensible request So much time has passed, and the investigation did not find out the reason?
    Something is not clean ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 6 September 2019 09: 27
      +18
      yes, the same "drunk boy" ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 6 September 2019 10: 16
        +5
        Quote: novel xnumx
        yes, the same "drunk boy" ...

        That's it. Try to pinch your nose and mouth and not breathe. How long will it last?
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 September 2019 10: 37
          +1
          sorry, the topic is not funny - but it was already
          2. Marsupial

          Nature is awesome! Meadow grasses, grasshoppers, coastal bushes, slow river lapping. Throw fishing rods, open the bottle, stretch out on the sand ... And on the bank - it turns blue under the foliage, beckons with the size - it’s from where a hefty bag, either sports, or luggage. Come on, carefully, open it!

          Uh? .. Khhhh. A-A-A !!!

          Pig-pong, our nets dragged the dead man. As Pushkin. (And the black crayfish stuck into the swollen body.)

          Black, creepy, wrapped in a clap. Fff-ffuh - and here is the smell. Call the police, she has nothing to breathe with roses.

          Well. Nevidal. Float. The protocol, a smile - a memory photo.

          Dead man examined, described, capitalized. He lies in this bag in the fetal position, wrapped in tape like a cocoon. There is no face on it (work favors cynicism). And the fingerprints are gone. And who would have thought - there are no documents either. And then to say - he didn’t come here to get a job.

          He is silent and does not cooperate with the investigation. It is not identifiable, not identifiable, not identified by a file cabinet. Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya.

          Who packed it and drowned it? .. Where is the killer, where is the villain ... not to collect his bones ... This is a rhetorical question. The country is huge, some drowned people twenty thousand a year, thirty thousand dead, sixty thousand missing. The police are obliged to give a life-affirming answer to any rhetorical question!

          They come to the department, are dumped on the bottle and begin the brainstorming. Solving the rebus goes into the composition of the Burmese novel from the life of mermaids.

          - How does a person get into the river? Elementary Watson! Like Pinocchio. Or Yeltsin. Fell from the bridge!

          “Yes, but why did he climb into his bag and fasten before falling?”

          Pierce space with a daring thought.

          - And the bag floated below ...

          - And he aimed at her with precision, squeezed inside and fastened.

          Need to pour. So the executioners laugh at the torment of the victim.

          - A bag hung on a bridge support. Below the flooring. A beam stuck there. She is old. Someone threw her away.

          - From the bridge?

          - From the bridge! And she got hooked. A pen. Over the beam.

          - Open?

          - Naturally. Why throw out the closed. Throwing a bag off the bridge is not prohibited. Everyone relishes.

          - So. He went over the bridge. And fell. In the bag. And why did not stay hanging?

          - Bull! The handle was cut off by a jerk.

          - Let's say. And how did he get wrapped?

          - Accidentally. Stuck!

          The working day is already over. Bottle too. Jack the Rippers write the painting "The Last Day of Pompeii." Textbook of suicide in examples and pictures. Interesting stories from the life of suicides.

          “An unidentified male person stood on the bridge over which this man passed on his personal need under the current legislation. Having stopped at the railing in order to rest and admire the surrounding landscape of the view from the bridge to the river and the city, an unidentified person also began to manipulate the tape of the tape at the same time, possibly bearing in mind household needs, unwinding the tape from the roll and trying on unidentified needs as it lengthened.

          By a gust of wind over the river, the tape stuck to the body of the victim, and as a result of irregular and partially panic movements, a partial wrapping of the trunk and limbs began to release.

          In the process of this struggle, an unidentified male person lost her balance and fell over the railing of the bridge down, in the direction of the surface of the river flowing below.

          During the flight, the victim came into contact with a bag hanging on a beam protruding from the bridge support, on one handle in a condition with open zipper, thrown earlier due to wear and tear by another unidentified person, whose actions do not constitute a crime.

          Having got into an open bag from a height of more than three meters and a weight of about eighty kilograms, the handle was cut off by a strong jerk with the body, and the bag with the body inside fell into the water.

          The speed of the river in this section reaches six kilometers per hour, the average depth at the coast is insignificant, the bottom is rocky. The bag carried away by the current with the body stuck inside, wrapped with adhesive tape to a state of sufficient helplessness, is not able to counter the circumstances that have arisen, the bag’s zipper gradually fastened from friction on the bottom stones.

          The body inside, without oxygen for breathing in water and a closed bag, was forced to cease its activity.

          In the actions of the deceased, there is no corpus delicti, as a result of which there is no reason to initiate a criminal case, it is classified as an accident.

          The medical examination act on drowning as a cause of death of a corpse is attached. ”
        2. Flatter
          Flatter 6 September 2019 19: 19
          0
          That's it. Try to pinch your nose and mouth and not breathe. How long will it last?

          He had something to breathe. Only oxygen was not.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 6 September 2019 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        yes, the same "drunk boy" ...

        Yes, it seems like they are hiding some chernukha
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 September 2019 09: 19
    +23
    For such an investigation, the little heads should fly, such nonsense has never been heard. Try your own hands tied.
    1. Azazelo
      Azazelo 6 September 2019 09: 28
      +15
      Well, if it weren’t for the scandal, then the story of a drunk boy would be a ride.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 36
        +6
        so the matter is precisely in the scandals. you see arbitrariness, fan the scandal that everyone would know. society should react like that. It's normal. here, too, if they raise a wave and are not allowed to remain silent, then at least a normal investigation will be conducted and not this circus.
    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 September 2019 09: 37
      +1
      For such an investigation, the little heads must fly,

      Fly, there were much more true stories and then flew.
    3. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2019 10: 20
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      For such an investigation, the little heads should fly, such nonsense has never been heard.

      Well, apparently Putin should personally look at this matter. And that is not a fact that they will not let go on the brakes.
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 September 2019 11: 26
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Try your own hands tied.

      Yes, it seems like I could request
      Stepan Tsymbal - that was the name of the deceased - could put a plastic bag on his head and wrap his hands with tape.
  6. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 25
    +9
    something is some kind of nonsense in my opinion. SK employees themselves do not understand what it looks funny? everything will go higher and it’s not enough for them to openly sabotage this business ...
  7. comradChe
    comradChe 6 September 2019 09: 25
    +15
    How everything rotted.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 September 2019 09: 34
      -11
      with the union of such cases was much more believe me. practically everything connected with injuries or death was hiding or getting washed up. why I do not understand why these are doing it now. become famous throughout the country and themselves can land easily and still do. some sick ...
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 6 September 2019 10: 52
        +6
        Hide nothing, people must know the truth
      2. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 11: 16
        +4
        Let me not believe it. You speak for the whole Union, or what? Where did you get such statistics, such data? How do you imagine it - "smear" the corpse? Bury it in the ground and order the officer-soldiers to be silent? And the parents sit quietly, do not complain. Yes? Here is to "blur" the theft from a military store - here I probably agree with you. As for the corpses, the biggest fire in the units started precisely because of the corpses (well, in the case of the theft of weapons too), it is simply impossible to hide them, at least it was so during the Soviet Union.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 6 September 2019 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: carstorm 11
        with the union of such cases there were much more believe me

        Believe me, good people ... There is no faith like you. Why are you pulling the USSR here? Why are you trying to justify this shame? If somewhere something was bad, how does this justify what happened right now? Or do you have such hatred for the USSR that you are ready at any opportunity to express it?
  8. Azazelo
    Azazelo 6 September 2019 09: 27
    +10
    a little cynical, but compared to the findings ....
    "Stirlitz entered Muller's office and saw him lying breathlessly on the floor." Poisoned, poor fellow, "Stirlitz thought, stroking the handle of an ax sticking out of Muller's back."
  9. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 September 2019 09: 33
    +5
    Very strange and suspicious facts in this case. Condolences to relatives and friends.
  10. Andrey Shch
    Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 09: 33
    +9
    "The forensic experts showed that Stepan Tsymbala - that was the name of the deceased - could have put a polymer bag on his head and twisted his hands with tape ..."
    Some nonsense, experts could not say this, it is not in their competence at all. And if the investigator put the question like that and the experts answered it that way, then they need to be driven all of them, until something has been piled up. It seems that the correspondent messed up something.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 September 2019 09: 44
      +1
      he could put a polymer bag on his head himself and twist his hands with duct tape ... "
      Some nonsense, experts could not say this,

      Now is an interesting time, anything can happen. Read the story of David Carradine, the same Bill from Tarantino's “Kill Bill”.
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 23: 32
        0
        Quote: Arzt
        Now is an interesting time, anything can happen. Read the story of David Carradine, the same Bill from Tarantino's “Kill Bill”.

        as far as I remember - he died at the hotel, during masturbation he was engaged in self-smothering for a more vivid orgasm ..
        and..?
        what is unusual there?
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        2. Doctor
          Doctor 7 September 2019 10: 48
          0
          self-smothering

          The situation with the death of this soldier seems so obvious that you need to have very good reasons to recognize this as suicide. Apparently the investigation has them.
        3. Doctor
          Doctor 7 September 2019 10: 52
          0
          as far as I remember - he died at the hotel, during masturbation he was engaged in self-smothering for a more vivid orgasm ..
          and..?
          what is unusual there?

          Well, yes, a banal, boring death. In the world, every second person dies. wassat
          1. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 8 September 2019 14: 05
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            Well, yes, a banal, boring death. In the world, every second person dies.

            just such a dangerous way to achieve a brighter orgasm has long been known. The danger of its use is also understood, but it is known, there is nothing unusual here.

            but as for the conscript guy, you have to wait until the investigation is over
            1. TRex
              TRex 8 September 2019 18: 29
              +1
              Old. I can’t give the names and surnames, but my colleague’s son self-destructed just like that when he was a cadet of a famous military school. In short - I confirm. There is such a thing. And about our person involved - to tie our hands and put a bag on my head - some kind of aerobatics ... is hard to believe, although everything can happen if you have an ass instead of a head.
              1. SASHA OLD
                SASHA OLD 9 September 2019 10: 12
                +2
                Quote: TRex
                Old. I can’t give the names and surnames, but my colleague’s son self-destructed just like that when he was a cadet of a famous military school. In short - I confirm. There is such a thing. And about our person involved - to tie our hands and put a bag on my head - some kind of aerobatics ... is hard to believe, although everything can happen if you have an ass instead of a head.

                Yes, and of course I have little faith, only the investigation has no purpose to make sure we all believe, but there is a need to get to the bottom of the truth (if the investigation is honest) or to cover someone’s fifth point ...
                what will come of it - time will tell, while everything is not very clearly written, the investigation has not been completed yet, but the journalist is trying to pass off some intermediate conclusions for the final verdict, which is also not gut.
                I also want to write sometimes "cover a relative", "mutual guarantee!", at first glance it really is, especially considering that we are all familiar with reality and do not wear rose-colored glasses. But sometimes someone who shouts ahead of time without understanding it turns out to be later in an awkward position, although it happens that he is also right.
                I prefer to read the comments of smart people, wait, and only then, to the best of my modest knowledge, understanding, try to draw a conclusion.
                And what your co-worker’s son and David Carradine did is called Autoasphyxophilia
                one of the most dangerous ways of self-satisfaction (to whom the usual options are not enough ...)
    2. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2019 10: 21
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Sch
      "The forensic experts showed that Stepan Tsymbala - that was the name of the deceased - could have put a polymer bag on his head and twisted his hands with tape ..."

      Not a conscript soldier, but directly to Harry Houdini.
      1. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 11: 58
        -1
        Unable to read to the end? Why are you writing this to me? This is a quote from a previous post. I’m just critical of her.
  11. Moskovit
    Moskovit 6 September 2019 09: 36
    +16
    It resembles suicide with two shots in the back of the head. I hope the military prosecutor’s office will figure it out and the court will punish in all severity.
    Parents of the guy condolences and forces to survive this tragedy.
    Recently, my nephew served. He says now the problems do not come from their own, plus minus one-year-olds, but from contractors who are healthier and older in rank.
  12. georggy
    georggy 6 September 2019 09: 41
    +3
    At the moment, a forensic psychological examination should give its opinion on the case. It should help determine if the soldier could have mental illnesses that could affect Tsymbal’s actions.

    That's it. Requests to the psychiatric dispensary at the place of residence, to the information center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other authorities. To find out what he was before the call.
    Without too much snowstorm and bustle.
  13. Shrekk
    Shrekk 6 September 2019 09: 43
    -14
    A note from a local newspaper reporter reveals the bloody regime in Russia))) Go to this portal and read Svyatoslav Dmitriev’s notes, and then draw conclusions.
    1. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2019 10: 25
      +17
      Quote: ShrekK
      A note from a local newspaper reporter reveals a bloody regime in Russia)))

      In fact, the unit in Boguchar has already covered itself with notoriety. The bloody regimen, not the bloody regimen, mortality there is decent. Several people, one way or another, died there. There, even without a journalist, word of mouth carries everything. And by the way. I would advise you to avoid a dismissive tone. You are not discussing a reporter about how you turned avira, but the death of a person. Which happened in reality, and not in the head of a journalist.
      1. Shrekk
        Shrekk 6 September 2019 11: 47
        -8
        Keep your advice to yourself. In my post there is not a word about the deceased. Carefully read the article, all at the word of mouth. Someone, said something to someone ... the lawyer admits ... the version, however, notes ... there is no objective data for it ... it is ASSUMPED ... etc. etc. A reporter covering petty crime scribbled an article at the level of rumors, but what a wave rose.
        And what in fact? An investigation is underway, there is no decision yet, why run ahead of the engine ???
  14. AAK
    AAK 6 September 2019 09: 43
    +12
    let the whole investigative-operational group led by the prosecutor try to conduct such an investigative experiment on themselves ... whoever remains alive can safely write such a conclusion ...
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 6 September 2019 14: 54
      +2
      I am embarrassed to say that the prosecutor has not been involved in criminal cases for a long time, he is the head of the investigating authority. The prosecutor is on the sidelines. Oversees.
  15. restless
    restless 6 September 2019 09: 47
    +11
    The military followers are something with something, he tied himself up and was strangled by the package, this doesn’t happen, he couldn’t take off the package because he held his hands, everything is obvious - they killed the guy, only the investigation insists - suicide, they work out the team of the Minister of Defense
  16. Graz
    Graz 6 September 2019 09: 48
    +3
    if suicide, then what are the motives, nothing is done just like that, they are silent about something
  17. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 September 2019 10: 02
    +12
    What kind of nonsense? This already does not climb into any gates. A disgrace.
  18. Andrey Shch
    Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 10: 11
    +3
    Quote: restless
    The military followers are something with something, he tied himself up and was strangled by the package, this doesn’t happen, he couldn’t take off the package because he held his hands, everything is obvious - they killed the guy, only the investigation insists - suicide, they work out the team of the Minister of Defense

    Actually, the article doesn’t write anything about military scouts, it’s only about forensic experts, about their conclusions, so why build up in vain. And as for the MO team, this is too much. But in fact, I agree with you. Under such circumstances (at least as described in the article), come to the conclusion about suicide ... it's something!
  19. Sayan
    Sayan 6 September 2019 10: 15
    +3
    A strange way of suicide, however belay
  20. Glory1974
    Glory1974 6 September 2019 10: 19
    +8
    Episode from the movie "Streets of Broken Lanterns":
    The gangster’s body was caught in the bay, wrapped with adhesive tape in a closed sports bag.
    Verdict: while fishing, the bandit slipped, rolled along the walkways on which scotch tape lay, turned into scotch tape, then fell into the open bag that hung on the walkways and fell into the water in the bag. As a result of the current, the bag was dragged along the bottom and the lock closed. unequivocal conclusion: accident.
    Probably medical experts watched this film, I can not explain this nonsense in another way.
  21. dandelion
    dandelion 6 September 2019 10: 33
    +8
    Obviously, they covered up some officer, but they won’t get the same increase, and, in general, they scold everyone because of some conscripts, they bring such cars twice a year, why good people will suffer because of such trifles. Nothing has changed in the army, the appearance has been retouched, but the essence remains the same.
    It is not clear why people do not want conscripts to go to serve? Probably poor education and Western propaganda.
  22. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 6 September 2019 10: 51
    +9
    As if thinking aloud: Scotch tape is such a sticky infection that, no matter how you try, it still leaves fingerprints ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 6 September 2019 11: 08
      0
      Quote: g1washntwn
      As if thinking aloud: scotch tape is such a sticky infection that, no matter how you try, it still leaves fingerprints ...

      yes good
    2. xax
      xax 7 September 2019 18: 08
      0
      or gloves
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 7 September 2019 22: 11
        0
        Quote: xax
        or gloves


        If there are fingerprints on the adhesive tape from the gloves of the military personnel, that means there was intent.
        1. xax
          xax 8 September 2019 01: 23
          +4
          A serviceman from a logistics company dies under at least strange circumstances. In addition to the fact that in this case the voiced conclusions of the "experts" should be questioned and rechecked by higher authorities (which should take all investigations after such "conclusions" under their control), it would be nice to conduct something like an audit in that part where this kid died. I'm almost sure there would be a lot of interesting things. Only a person who, due to certain circumstances, does not care where and how much his subordinates can do, can not think about such a "revision".
  23. Phenomenon
    Phenomenon 6 September 2019 10: 59
    +14
    Hmm. A time of incredible stories - about drunken boys arranging accidents, about Chechens who have the right to shoot in the cities of Russia and Moscow. Foul time. Neither medical examiners, nor prosecutors, nor investigators, nor the government, nor the president can be trusted.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 6 September 2019 11: 47
      +8
      Quote: Phenomenon
      Hmm. The time of incredible stories - about drunk boys

      And so they believe. Remember (you can see in the archive) how Golunov was arrested for drugs. So in the beginning right there on the forum were instances that proved all that could not throw cops in any way. What they say now is simply not possible ... Then the truth was blown away when the cops confessed everything. These personalities are known to all. They always and in every way support the power, no matter what dirty trick happens.
  24. Baloo
    Baloo 6 September 2019 11: 07
    +4
    Quote: novel xnumx
    The medical examination act on drowning as a cause of death of a corpse is attached "

    I’d venture to suggest a forensic expert’s record: whether a dead person could wrap himself with tape and put a bag on his head or drown in the competence of a forensic expert is not included. A curtain. A relative must be insisted on an independent expert examination, only this will be at their expense.
    1. Andrey Shch
      Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 12: 14
      -1
      A practical assumption, if the investigator really posed such a question to the expert. But then it is not clear why an independent examination is needed. What questions to find out?
  25. yehat
    yehat 6 September 2019 11: 10
    +1
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Be that as it may, any of the options is bad in its finale. There is no man, grief in the family, a stain on the army.

    here let’s not be stained on the army.
    first, let's figure out what happened. While the spot is only on the unit commander.
    But an analysis of what led to the incident will show how dirty the army is
  26. yehat
    yehat 6 September 2019 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: dandelion
    why don't people want conscripts to go to serve?

    in fact, an archaic charter is still in effect in our country, somehow justified under war communism, the WWII and WW2, but completely unsuitable for a capitalist present and long peaceful life. In our army, a soldier remains a disenfranchised expenditure, albeit receiving a salary.
    "Orders are not discussed, die, but do, etc."
  27. yehat
    yehat 6 September 2019 11: 18
    +2
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Hazing is the evil and shame of the Russian army.

    hazing is not only in the Russian army.
    the problem is completely different - the junior officers do not control what is happening.
    and this is not a cause, but a consequence of other problems, and until the whole chain is cured,
    nothing will change.
    1. dandelion
      dandelion 6 September 2019 12: 29
      0
      In other words: nothing will change.
  28. Azis
    Azis 6 September 2019 11: 22
    +10
    May God give the relatives of the deceased patience, means and connections in order to achieve the truth.
    If the case of the "drunk boy" could not be "raised" to TV and were not picked up by others, he would have remained drunk.
  29. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 6 September 2019 11: 38
    +2
    Looks like the UK really liked the film, "Streets of Broken Fanaries" where he fell from a bridge doing manipulations with tape and a bag, and she zipped up the bottom and buried a man?

    Or with a boy drunk and drunk, he jumped out of the car and moved about the car.

    How in this world everything is relative!
  30. Andrey Shch
    Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 12: 43
    -3
    Quote: ShrekK
    Keep your advice to yourself. In my post there is not a word about the deceased. Carefully read the article, all at the word of mouth. Someone, said something to someone ... the lawyer admits ... the version, however, notes ... there is no objective data for it ... it is ASSUMPED ... etc. etc. A reporter covering petty crime scribbled an article at the level of rumors, but what a wave rose.
    And what in fact? An investigation is underway, there is no decision yet, why run ahead of the engine ???

    Almost the only reasonable comment. I hate internet clichés, but this is a classic case of throwing ..... at a fan. In the article there is not a word about the end of the investigation, about the trailblazers, but they have already been "sentenced" all. And with the experts, not everything is clear whether in fact such a conclusion was given. Sounds too silly.
  31. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 6 September 2019 13: 38
    +3
    Seventeen times he fell on a knife, yeah.
  32. codetalker
    codetalker 6 September 2019 13: 41
    +3
    There are unique cases of suicides made in such a way that they would think of murder, you are simply amazed. But in all such cases there is a significant motive (insurance, etc.). What motive 19 summer young man has to commit suicide in the spirit of murder is not clear. To say that he is psychic, well, of course you can ... but how was he called then?
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 23: 50
      -2
      Quote: codetalker
      There are unique cases of suicides made in such a way that they would think of murder, you are simply amazed. But in all such cases there is a significant motive (insurance, etc.). What motive 19 summer young man has to commit suicide in the spirit of murder is not clear. To say that he is psychic, well, of course you can ... but how was he called then?

      in the USA there was a situation:
      the suicide man arranged everything so that his suicide looked like a murder, the main feature was that after a shot to his head the gun flew away on balloons filled with helium ...
      For six months, the police searched for the killer until something happened there and as a result, everything was not opened.
      When the police chief was interviewing the local media on this episode, he said something like: "This guy is lucky that he died - my guys are very angry with him now."

      and according to the situation from the article: the investigation will end, a verdict will be delivered - then it will be possible to say something, but for now everything will be a pitchfork over the water ...
  33. Catfish
    Catfish 6 September 2019 14: 14
    +3
    Yeah, first put a bag on his head, then tied his hands (or vice versa) and quietly began to wait for death from suffocation. What are they holding in the military prosecutor’s office for nonsense?
  34. Amin_vivec
    Amin_vivec 6 September 2019 14: 26
    +2
    Remember DMB about the "black demobilization"? They found him with his head severed. The conclusion of the commission: "Suicide. Fell from the fence onto the ax")))))
  35. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 6 September 2019 14: 56
    0
    Quote: Normal
    With strangulation, more often than with hanging, fractures of the hyoid bone, cartilage of the larynx are found. Perhaps in your case described just happened. I am sorry for the person you told about.

    Also familiar on the doorknob on a belt he hung himself. Is it possible to make a self-tightening noose out of a belt ?? The second on the chandelier. Without any notes and other nonsense.
  36. Shurale
    Shurale 6 September 2019 15: 30
    +1
    "He himself dropped the knife! And so eight times in a row!" ...... (c)
    We heard about such suicides.
  37. Roman070280
    Roman070280 6 September 2019 15: 30
    0
    Forensic experts have shown that Stepan Tsymbal - that was the name of the deceased - could put a plastic bag on his head and wrap his hands with tape

    Tin ..

    Despite the opportunity to disrupt the package, the deceased did not.


    Well, yes .. it is immediately clear that this is "suicide" ..
    1. Mihail2019
      Mihail2019 6 September 2019 19: 11
      -1
      Namely, in the style: "18 times fell on a sharpened object resembling a knife. An accident or a successful suicide attempt .."
  38. AKS-U
    AKS-U 6 September 2019 17: 51
    +2
    Conclusion ITU saves someone shoulder straps.
  39. Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 6 September 2019 19: 08
    +2
    Or maybe this case should be referred to the Central Investigative Committee?
    So to speak, to assess the objectivity of the conclusions of the regional SC and make a decision based on the results of an assessment of its activities?
  40. Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 6 September 2019 19: 23
    +3
    I remember there was another such "forensic expert" in the case when a stupid "chicken" in a car in the yard of a child's house crushed to death in front of his father. The "chicken" turned out to be not easy, as a result, in the conclusion of this "expert" it turned out that the child of 5 or 6 years old was, in ordinary words, "drunk in the trash, like a shoemaker" !!!
    While the media did not raise noise - everything was fine.
    Then the "expert" was caught in repeated "paid" examinations and the "chicken" seemed to have received it normally.
    But you can't bring the child back, and this "shit expert" how many people still broke their lives ?!
  41. Million
    Million 6 September 2019 19: 24
    +2
    It's like in an old army bike: three times from a tree fell on an ax ....
    Probably someone pressed the doctors well that such conclusions were made
  42. nafanal
    nafanal 7 September 2019 00: 49
    -2
    I’m looking at the photo and thinking .. Why the hell did they call this army ..
  43. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 7 September 2019 05: 29
    +1
    This is a shame both the investigation and the army as a whole !!!

    The guy was clearly persecuted, and then killed, and the investigation now, instead of investigating, is engaged in closing asses at the command of this unit.

    How can you first tie your hands to yourself, and then throw a bag over your head ?!

    Shame and shame!!!
  44. Yuri Dmitruk
    Yuri Dmitruk 7 September 2019 10: 49
    0
    the examination does not answer the question HOW death occurred. Death by suffocation. Could take off. Could. Anatomy allows. AND EVERYTHING. Everything else is the task of the investigation. Clearly they helped him. But the expertise is what.
  45. erofich
    erofich 7 September 2019 13: 06
    0
    Yes, and probably bruised himself inflicted too. Here are the stsuki!
  46. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 7 September 2019 18: 06
    -1
    It's Russia..
  47. Esso
    Esso 7 September 2019 20: 42
    0
    This medical expert, by chance not Kleimenov, whose child got drunk and threw himself under the car. An acquaintance. They are not afraid that their parents will burst with patience and will try to torture the expert until they get to the truth ....
  48. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 7 September 2019 21: 06
    0
    Quote: FIREMAN
    Take a sensible textbook on forensic psychiatry and forensic medicine. I will give you another version. The fact is that with asphyxia in men, the release of seminal fluid occurs. At the same time, he experiences sexual pleasure. The same thing happens when hanging when there is no rupture of the spinal column. Here on the forum there are software employees who go to gallows very often. So when hanging there is urination, feces and ejaculation. There is such a sexual perversion in which a person specifically brings himself to a state of asphyxia in which he experiences an orgasm. I ask a question: how do soldiers remove women’s cravings for women? Do you read books or jerk the toilet closet? From the article it is not clear where the hands were tied in front or behind. Most likely in the front, if the examination could remove the package.
    Thus, he deliberately retired and tried to enjoy himself in this way. Such cases are described in forensics.

    Smiled.

    You probably judge by yourself ?! laughing laughing laughing
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 8 September 2019 04: 01
      +1
      Before writing this, read literature on this subject. This is the first. Second, during the verification, all versions are considered, including the one I voiced. In order to draw final conclusions, as a rule, materials of investigative actions and operative-search measures are necessary. Both vowels and unspoken. Examinations. A survey of friends, including at the school where he studied before the army, analysis of social networks, which sites he visited, etc. you can say 100 percent that he was a victim of hazing or committed suicide, etc. No. Correctly without materials you cannot. Third, there is an official version that will be voiced and the one that they know. I mean, if my version was confirmed to be unlikely to be relatives, someone would say it. Or is it wrong? And how to prove that this was the case. Only indirect materials confirm this. Fourth: if you react in this way, you have zero relation to the process of investigation and inquiry.
      1. FIREMAN
        FIREMAN 8 September 2019 04: 05
        0
        And therefore, you do not understand the system and nuances. Therefore, I basically understand your reaction. And about suicides, we saw sometime a man hanging himself lying down or in a Soviet dressing closet where the deceased made a hole in the lid, missed the cord with a loop, and then the loop and hung himself
  49. Nikolay Kuznetsov (retired, retired)
    Nikolay Kuznetsov (retired, retired) 7 September 2019 23: 06
    -1
    The troops-troubles begin