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Pozner called the Russian Orthodox Church dark, and Russia - a country without democracy

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The famous TV presenter Vladimir Pozner has once again not compared Russia’s options for government in our country and in Europe (in this case, it’s frankly difficult to say which country “ours” is for Vladimir Pozner, who has several citizenships).
Posner said that in Europe people feel freer than in Russia.


Pozner called the Russian Orthodox Church dark, and Russia - a country without democracy


At the same time, Posner did not specify exactly where in Europe “he lives more freely than in Russia”: on the Italian Lampedusa, where from a constant stream of refugees, local residents themselves turned their homes into real ghettos, encircled by 3 meter fences and barbed wire, or, to be maybe in the neighboring Shariah quarters of London, where (in the Shariah quarters) even armed police patrols are afraid to go? Where exactly in Europe do they feel freer: perhaps in France and Belgium, where terrorist attacks in the past few years number in the tens, and the victims in the hundreds, where the demonstrations are dispersed with particular cruelty, to which the actions of the Moscow riot police "like to the moon"?

According to Vladimir Pozner, who recalled the 1215 European Charter of Liberties, "the power of the king was limited in Europe already in the XIII century."
Posner:

And in Russia, the tsar’s power was never restricted by any law, and there’s nothing to say about protecting the rights of ordinary citizens. And this is just one example.

After that, Posner called the “dark” Russian Orthodox Church, adding that it “is much darker than the Catholic and Protestant.”

The whole message of Mr. Pozner is clearly aimed at reflecting on the “saints” 90, when anarchy reigned in Russia (or rather, the oligarchs tore at each other amid manual control from the USA), when the country was torn apart by war in the Caucasus, but the West liked us so much.
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  1. lis-ik
    lis-ik 2 September 2019 15: 29
    +35
    After that, Posner called the “dark” Russian Orthodox Church, adding that it “is much darker than the Catholic and Protestant”

    If the Orthodox is dark, then I don’t know what to call the Catholic, in my opinion, more than democratic in all canons of the Russian Orthodox Church and you will not name it. And that there is no democracy in Russia, it might be better, well, nafig.
    1. Vend
      Vend 2 September 2019 15: 36
      +34
      Pozner said that in Europe people feel freer than in Russia
      Well, no one keeps Go-na Posner here. Now is not the "iron curtain", go and live in a free country.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 2 September 2019 15: 46
        +33
        Slippery and already aged Posner - "worm" - the so-called. "citizen of the" world "- as always in his Russophobic-Zionist repertoire, he speaks about Russia at the Gaidar-Chubais-privatization wave of the Russian Federation in the 1990s!
        Svanidze to help him! Svanidze is the same. They still do not have enough of the mad demodice of Novodvorskaya - they have gone to another land!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 51
          +4
          Quote: Tatiana
          Svanidze to help him!

          Not only both of them will help Shevchenko .. Svanidze helped directly live .. laughing
        2. kiril1246
          kiril1246 2 September 2019 18: 21
          -11
          Quote: Tatiana
          Zionist repertoire

          Posner is not a Jew, but a Frenchman with Jewish roots, and judging by his attitude to Israel, he clearly does not pull on a Zionist.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 September 2019 19: 10
            +18
            Quote: kiril1246
            Posner is not a Jew, but a Frenchman with Jewish roots

            Ha! A Frenchman with Jewish roots is the same as a French Jew.
            In our country, an ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobic Jewish woman, Novodvorskaya, was also a "Frenchwoman with Jewish roots," because her maternal grandparents were also Jews.

            It is noteworthy that immediately after graduating from Moscow State University (and Pozner entered there in 1953 and graduated under Khrushchev) V. Pozner was appointed head of the Broadcast (then radio). It is almost as if a cadet at the end of a military school immediately took up a general post.
            Those. the Posner family was so difficult that in the unofficial "table of ranks" it seemed to be at the level of members of the CPSU Central Committee.

            By the way, some believe that V. Pozner is one of the "puppeteers" in charge of Russia in the shadow "Global Administration". I also think so, remembering his "perestroika" TV programs and speeches. And he was not the only one.
            1. kiril1246
              kiril1246 2 September 2019 19: 37
              -5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Ha! A Frenchman with Jewish roots is the same as a French Jew.

              Why invent some kind of universe of your own, where a Frenchman with Jewish roots == a Frenchman Jew. A Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism (Giyur), regardless of where he lives, in France, Russia or Israel. Posner does not satisfy this rule. His mother is a Frenchwoman who baptized him into Catholicism as a child. According to Jewish law, he is not a Jew, and you can consider him whoever you want, even Buryat.
              Quote: Tatiana
              Those. the Posner family was so difficult that in the unofficial "table of ranks" it seemed to be at the level of members of the CPSU Central Committee.

              Well, the Pozner family was probably not easy if his dad had worked for Soviet intelligence for so many years.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 2 September 2019 20: 04
                +3
                Don’t give a link to your dad?
                1. kiril1246
                  kiril1246 2 September 2019 20: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Don’t give a link to your dad?

                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 2 September 2019 21: 38
                    0
                    Quote: kiril1246
                    ....................
                    Here is a more complete interview with W. Pozner Gordon.

                    REFERENCE
                    Vladimir Pozner Soviet, Russian and American journalist and TV presenter, radio host, first president of the Russian Television Academy, writer. He leads the author's program "Posner" on the "First Channel".
                    Born: April 1, 1934 (85 years old), France, Paris, Paris, France

                    Vladimir Pozner. "Visiting Dmitry Gordon". 1/2 (2010)


                    Vladimir Pozner. "Visiting Dmitry Gordon". 2/2 (2010)
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              3. Tank hard
                Tank hard 3 September 2019 09: 04
                +3
                Quote: kiril1246
                A Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism (Giyur)

                How do you know that Posner did not make a giyur? It is possible that has already been done for a long time, who knows ... feel
                1. kiril1246
                  kiril1246 3 September 2019 12: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  How do you know that Posner did not make a giyur? It is possible that has already been done for a long time, who knows ...

                  And how do I know that you did not make a giyur? Why should he make a giyur, if he in every possible way casts aside his Jewish roots, and Israel hates. What he has repeatedly stated. In YouTube there is his transfer of travel with an Urgant in Israel, there he repeatedly states this.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 3 September 2019 12: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: kiril1246
                    And how do I know that you did not make a giyur?

                    That's right, and you don’t know. But why do you need to know this? And you don’t know about Posner, and I don’t know, we can only speculate.
                    Quote: kiril1246
                    Why should he make a giyur, if he in every possible way casts aside his Jewish roots, and Israel hates. What he has repeatedly stated. In YouTube there is his transfer of travel with Urgant in Israel, there he repeatedly states this

                    I don’t watch his program, or with him ... I see one thing, he doesn’t like Russia and its citizens, so let him go where he is better ... wink
                    1. kiril1246
                      kiril1246 3 September 2019 16: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      That's right, and you don’t know. But why do you need to know this? And you don’t know about Posner, and I don’t know, we can only speculate.

                      And what is the general connection between religion and loyalty to the country? Krasnov and Shkuro were Orthodox, and fought against their homeland, shot at Russian soldiers. And Roshal, for example, is a Jew, but he can hardly be blamed for disloyalty to Russia.
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      I don’t watch his program, or with him ... I see one thing, he doesn’t like Russia and its citizens, so let him go where he is better ...

                      agree
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 3 September 2019 21: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: kiril1246
                        Krasnov and Shkuro were Orthodox, and fought against their homeland, shot at Russian soldiers.

                        What kind of homeland did Shkuro and Krasnov fight against? Against the Russian Empire or against armed formations of an unknown country at that time, where one of the leaders was Lyova Bronstein (Trotsky) and others like him, who quite calmly killed Russians and Orthodox Christians, including Orthodox priests, proclaimed the "Red Terror", consisting of armed formations of which there were all sorts of "Latvian riflemen" and Chinese mercenaries. For them (Shkuro and Krasnova), these were the invaders of Russia and the murderers of the Russian people. About Krasnov after the Civil War - a special conversation, but about who Shkuro was before the "revolution" you can find out, for me, as a hero and a wonderful officer of His country.
                        Quote: kiril1246
                        But Roshal, for example, is a Jew, but it can hardly be blamed for disloyalty to Russia

                        And what does it have to do with ?! request
        3. tomket
          tomket 3 September 2019 10: 53
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          Slippery and already aged Posner - "worm" - the so-called. "citizen of the" world "- as always in his Russophobic-Zionist repertoire, he speaks about Russia at the Gaidar-Chubais-privatization wave of the Russian Federation in the 1990s!
          Svanidze to help him! Svanidze is the same.

          An aged Posner can only arouse interest in his person by throwing such a fan on him. I don’t quite understand, is Nakoy even interested in the opinion of this senile? Let him live his life in silence and obscurity.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 3 September 2019 11: 09
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            Let him live his life in silence and obscurity.

            Ha! And the money WHERE would he - an old forgotten traitor - take for his comfortable living and for his comfortable living? He, after all, with such a "conscience" will calmly live up to 100 years!
      2. lucul
        lucul 2 September 2019 16: 02
        +5
        Well, no one is holding Mr. Posner here.

        I have been installing on Pozner for a long time - either very badly, or not at all.
        Therefore - no way .....
      3. krops777
        krops777 2 September 2019 17: 16
        +3
        Now is not the "iron curtain", go and live in a free country.


        So there he is an unknown TV presenter and no one pays money for his "talents".
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 2 September 2019 17: 24
        +13
        And who needs it there? The US Patriot Posner only makes sense as an agent of influence in the Russian Federation. Outside of it, he will become the next old émigré to be published. And nobody will pay him money there - not that weight.
      5. Private-K
        Private-K 2 September 2019 18: 24
        +6
        Pozdner is so greasy that arguing or even reacting to the outbursts of shit in his head is also greasy. Do not argue with the crazy - they must be ignored. Well said and said. What else to expect from this?
      6. keeper03
        keeper03 2 September 2019 20: 16
        +4
        It's time to drive this Judah with a tattered stirrer, sanctions against him and a ban on entry into Russia ! belay yes bully
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 37
      +10
      Quote: lis-ik
      And that there is no democracy in Russia, it might be better, well, nafig.

      Democracy is just the power of democrats ... or liberals, which we have. And we need a power that does not care about itself, but about the people as a whole. There must be social justice, otherwise there is no sense in the state. The state is called upon to protect all segments of the population, and not only during military conflicts, but also socially. The state should give equal rights and opportunities to its citizens. What do we pay money to a huge mass of officials if they are engaged in sabotage?
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 2 September 2019 16: 05
        +4
        Stop lying.
        Democracy (from the Greek. Demos - people, kratos - power, board) is a form of government in which citizens, personally or through elected representatives, exercise the right to make (political) decisions. Democracy is based on the recognition of the people as a source of power and involves the rule of the majority, the equal rights of citizens, the rule of law, etc.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2019 16: 09
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          Democracy is based on the recognition of the people as a source of power and involves the rule of the majority, the equal rights of citizens, the rule of law, etc.

          It’s based, but we can see it and it’s not close .. (democracy) Or do you think that the majority of our population supported pension reform? Or do you think that we have the rule of law?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 2 September 2019 20: 34
            -1
            Everything is relative.
            Compared to Yeltsin’s Russia, the current one is a model of legality.
        2. besser best
          besser best 2 September 2019 16: 11
          +15
          The thing is that in the Greek language there are two names of the people. You brought, unfortunately, only one. The second is the plebs. They just did not have the right to vote. So the democrats have nothing to do with the majority.
          1. kiril1246
            kiril1246 2 September 2019 18: 23
            +2
            Quote: besserbest
            names of the people. You brought, unfortunately, only one. The second is the plebs.

            plebs is from the latin language.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 2 September 2019 19: 20
              0
              Quote: kiril1246
              Quote: besserbest
              names of the people. You brought, unfortunately, only one. The second is the plebs.

              plebs is from the latin language.

              Patricia and plebeians. So arrange?
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 2 September 2019 20: 35
                +1
                It is important whether citizens - or not.
              2. Zoomlion
                Zoomlion 3 September 2019 01: 50
                0
                This is from the Romans)
        3. Pedrodepackes
          Pedrodepackes 2 September 2019 16: 20
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          And we need a power that does not care about itself, but about the people as a whole.

          whining again that some uncle will come and take care of the people
          Quote: Mestny
          Stop lying.
          that's for sure!
        4. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 2 September 2019 17: 24
          +3
          Quote: Mestny

          Democracy (from the Greek. Demos - people, kratos - power, board) is a form of government in which citizens, personally or through elected representatives, exercise the right to make (political) decisions. Democracy is based on the recognition of the people as a source of power and involves the rule of the majority, the equal rights of citizens, the rule of law, etc.

          Everything is correct. This is what is written in our Constitution. Only no country in the world has democracy. And in ours too. Because the power belongs to those to whom they obey. In our, and in any "democratic" country, people (demos) who obeys? Maybe the authorities often hold referendums in order to consult with the people? Maybe we choose someone in the elections? Not at all. In elections, we only affirm someone's choice. In Soviet times, there was an order of magnitude more democracy.
          And, on the topic ... And who is he, this Posner, so that I would be interested in his opinion? Once I listened to him and it was enough for me to understand - ... (the site forbids)
        5. polar fox
          polar fox 2 September 2019 18: 04
          +2
          Quote: Mestny
          Stop lying.
          Democracy (from the Greek. Demos - people,

          oga ... and what is "okhlos"? in greece the people were those who had slaves (okhlos).
        6. Vadmir
          Vadmir 2 September 2019 23: 49
          0
          Democracy (from the Greek. Demos - people, kratos - power, board) is a form of government in which citizens, personally or through elected representatives, exercise the right to make (political) decisions.
          Based on this definition of democracy, there is not a single democratic state on our planet.
        7. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 3 September 2019 08: 20
          0
          "Democracy (from the Greek demos - people, kratos - power, government) is a form of government in which citizens, personally or through elected representatives, exercise the right to make (political) decisions"
          Tell me, in what country in the world is there democracy in your literal translation? democracy in the original sense - a myth a long time ago
        8. TANKISTONE
          TANKISTONE 4 September 2019 14: 15
          0
          Mestny (Sergey) September 2, 2019 16:05
          +5
          [/ quote] Stop lying.
          Democracy (from the Greek. Demos - people, kratos - power, board) is a form of government in which citizens, personally or through elected representatives, exercise the right to make (political) decisions. Democracy is based on the recognition of the people as a source of power and involves the rule of the majority, the equal rights of citizens, the rule of law, etc.
          [Quote]


          Only where it (the democracy) was invented (other Greece), the power was held by a minority (citizens). Most of them had no rights and called them: -hey, you, slave! This is what we observe in countries with "state" democracies ...
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    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 September 2019 16: 00
      +6
      Quote: lis-ik
      If the Orthodox is dark, then I do not know what to call Catholic

      I, in general, also. I am against the demonization of Catholicism, but if you look from the perspective of Christian morality, then Catholicism before Orthodoxy is like a forest before China.
      Quote: lis-ik
      And that there is no democracy in Russia, it might be better, well, nafig.

      But this is you in vain.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 September 2019 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        But this is you in vain.

        Unfortunately, we perceive this as licentiousness and permissiveness, both of the upper and lower classes. I am against such a democracy.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 September 2019 16: 49
          +5
          Quote: lis-ik
          Unfortunately, we perceive this as licentiousness and permissiveness, both of the upper and lower classes. I am against such a democracy.

          Well, now we have the licentiousness and permissiveness of the tops alone, and I'm not sure that this is good
      2. ser56
        ser56 2 September 2019 16: 24
        +6
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        But this is you in vain.

        far from the modern interpretation of democracy in the West, as preferences for different minorities - well .... hi
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 September 2019 16: 56
          +5
          Quote: ser56
          far from the modern interpretation of democracy in the West as preferences for different minorities

          Let me give you a simple example - in my hometown at the last governor's elections there was a lack of democracy. If it were, then the city and its population would be much easier, since the previous governor Yurevich tried to keep industrialists in check and controlled (at worst, but - controlled) industrial emissions into the atmosphere. At the same time it was known that Dubrovsky was a creature from production workers. The result is known - Yurevich is out of the elections on a formal basis, Dubrovsky was chosen in the "elections without elections", and then - an ecological disaster.
          1. Qwertyarion
            Qwertyarion 3 September 2019 04: 17
            0
            Andrew! Our former governors Yuryevich and Dubrovsky are ordinary businessmen and they could not have had any other goals of the governorship other than to "cut the money".
            The governor is just a business and no more ...
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2019 16: 11
              +1
              Quote: Qwertyarion
              The governor is just a business and no more ...

              Yet Yurevich was a little more. Of course, he, too, didn’t forget himself, but at the same time he did a lot of useful things for the city.
              1. Qwertyarion
                Qwertyarion 3 September 2019 18: 59
                0
                Unfortunately I can not judge the affairs of Yurevich in the city, but I did not notice any breakthroughs in the field. For me, Yurevich, a pasta tycoon, seemed to own Chelyabinskoblgaz, took part in the endless construction of the Chelyabinsk metro.
                A successful businessman and for some reason went to the governors, how it all ended we all know.
                A good word can only recall Sumin P.I.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2019 19: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Qwertyarion
                  Unfortunately I can not judge the affairs of Yurevich in the city

                  More or less clean air is a huge plus. In addition, Yurevich shoved Chelyabinsk into the federal program, so that we received funding from the center for road repair - new interchanges, bridges, four-rows turned into six-row ones ... I travel a lot around the country (before) I assure that in addition to Moscow and St. Petersburg and Chelyabinsk in terms of unbroken roads around the country hardly anyone could argue
          2. ser56
            ser56 3 September 2019 10: 58
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            in my hometown in the last governor election, democracy was sorely lacking.

            I will say this - you do not understand the essence of democracy - not the smartest and most honest win the election, but the most sophisticated in intrigue, able to find a compromise between different parties and loot ... request
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            formally dismissed

            funny, hear this from you - the law is the formality - so everything is democratic ... bully
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2019 16: 19
              +1
              Quote: ser56
              I will say this - you do not understand the essence of democracy

              Wow:))))
              Quote: ser56
              not the smartest and most honest win, but the most sophisticated in intrigue, able to find a compromise between different parties and loot ...

              That you are now writing about democracy. And instead of all of the above, the administrative resource wins here. That is, if V.V. Putin decided who to be the governor, he will be, and no dough and intrigue will help.
              The meaning of democracy is that loot and intrigue are spent on convincing the electorate. We have to spend them on the acquisition of adm. resource, support from above. This, in fact, is the difference between democracy and its absence :)))
              Quote: ser56
              funny, hear this from you - the law is the formality - so everything is democratic ...

              Here I am, unfortunately, unable to understand your logic. The law is the law, and it has nothing to do with democracy. Laws exist both under democracy and in totalitarianism. Democracy in theory implies equality before the law, but how did you manage to write down the dropout on the (formal sign above) into the triumph of democracy - this riddle is great.
              1. ser56
                ser56 3 September 2019 16: 34
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                The meaning of democracy is that loot and intrigue are spent on convincing the electorate.

                you are an idealist, this is not a conviction, but a zombie ... bully
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                That is, if V.V. Putin decided who to be the governor, he will be, and no dough and intrigue will help.

                again, you have an aberration of concepts - this is not an administrative resource, but the presence of authority, people vote not because they were ordered, but because they believe the GDP ... request
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                This, in fact, is the difference between democracy and its absence :)))

                there are different forms of democracy .. for the classical (Greek or Roman) we need slaves, for the medieval we need sleds (in England, in V. Novgorod) ... we have a sovereign bully , no worse than the American or French - the first won the billionaire, the second protege of Rothschild ... hi
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                You managed to write down screenings (signposted above) on a formal basis in the triumph of democracy - this riddle is great.

                1) It’s a pity that you don’t want to hear - if they were screened out in a formal way, then everything is legal - these signs are spelled out in laws ... As for the selective application of laws, this is another problem ... request
                2) For you, democracy, when weed out someone else's candidate? bully
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2019 17: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: ser56
                  you are an idealist, this is not a conviction, but a zombie ...

                  I’m just well aware of how election campaigns are going in the same USA and how they differ from ours :)))
                  Quote: ser56
                  again, you have an aberration of concepts - this is not an administrative resource, but the presence of authority, people vote not because they were ordered, but because they believe the GDP ...

                  No, this is not an aberration of concepts for me, but a direct pulling of an owl on your globe.
                  Quote: ser56
                  there are different forms of democracy ..

                  Is it possible without verbiage? :)))) Well, you do not know what democracy is, why build an expert in yourself?
                  Quote: ser56
                  for the classical (Greek or Roman) slaves are needed; for the medieval, smerds are needed (in England, in V. Novgorod)

                  How would it be softer ... In general, neither one nor the other nor slaves nor stinks were needed. Slaves and stinks were needed for the ECONOMY of England and Novgorod. And democratic rights, both there and there, extended to citizens (although quite often - not to citizens, but not the essence). The point is that the only distinguishing feature of democracy is collective decision-making (the same elections) in which citizens of the country / society participate. Slaves are non-citizens, that's just what they are doing.
                  That is, if citizens have the opportunity to participate in the collective management of the state (through elections), then this is democracy. If citizens cannot do this, there is no democracy. Our citizens cannot choose - they choose for them. Accordingly, we cannot talk about democracy.
                  Quote: ser56
                  1) It’s a pity that you don’t want to hear - if they were screened out in a formal way, then everything is legal - these signs are spelled out in laws ... As for the selective application of laws, this is another problem ...

                  And here you have a complete aberration of concepts. You managed to mix democracy and the rule of law. Yes, everything is legal with us - but undemocratic. It would be democratic if the laws were not applied selectively, but to all equally. But this is not, that's why there is no democracy
                  Quote: ser56
                  For you, democracy, when someone else’s candidate is screened out?

                  For me, democracy is when there is someone to choose from in an election. And not when the government, using the law like a rod, removes real candidates and leaves us "choice without choice" - those people for whom we could vote simply do not reach voting
                  And yes, if you say that it is their fault - strong advice - try to run for election somewhere :))))))
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 3 September 2019 17: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    I’m just well aware of how election campaigns are going in the same USA and how they differ from ours :)))

                    How many have lived in the USA? I’ve been listening to debates in the state congress for a couple of months - the language is good ... wink
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    No, this is not an aberration of concepts for me, but a direct pulling of an owl on your globe.

                    unlike you, I give arguments ... bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Well, you don’t know what democracy is, why build an expert in yourself?

                    what are you know-it-all i know ... hi however, I don’t see any arguments from you ... bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    That is, if citizens have the opportunity to participate in the collective management of the state (through elections), then this is democracy.

                    1) it’s sad with you ... you haven’t even mastered the banal ismatism ... bully
                    2) the main question - how many of these citizens are in the state - all sit in the Boyar Duma or all who are older than 18 ... bully Perhaps for you the presence of slaves or smerds is purely an economy ... bully Then why is it depressing you that our authorities ranked you as de facto? Be consistent ... hi
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Our citizens cannot choose - they choose for them.

                    draw for you in the newsletters? bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You managed to mix democracy and the rule of law.

                    Do you know democracy without the rule of law? This is a necessary but not sufficient condition ... bully
                    One of the definitions of democracy is a procedure - i.e. legality ... hi
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Yes, everything is legal with us - but undemocratic.

                    words .... democratic - not democratic - it is a matter of taste and desire ... bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    It would be democratic if the laws were not applied selectively, but to all equally. But this is not, that's why there is no democracy

                    it’s sad with you - but where is it in the world? It’s like you didn’t leave the world from your Chelyabinsk or are still chewing the cud of perestroika ... bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    For me, democracy is when there is someone to choose from in the elections

                    Hmm, you're definitely from the foremen of Perestroika ... bully if not a secret - why did you decide that your opinion is significant? You have one vote ...
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    using the law that drawbar removes real candidates

                    are you a masochist? or do you like demagoguery? you yourself showed what was done LEGALLY! Claims against your candidate - if he could not fulfill the formal requirements - then what is he capable of doing at all? bully
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    try to run somewhere somehow :))))))

                    1) I once was at the electoral headquarters for elections to the State Duma for a very long time and I can tell you that this is not a simple matter ... request Enough tricks to use the procedure prescribed by law ...
                    2) As for me, I firmly do not want to lead people, if I have to, then only to implement my ideas ..... hi
                    1. ser56
                      ser56 3 September 2019 17: 56
                      0
                      Quote: ser56
                      on elections to the State Duma

                      sclerosis is still sun ... feel
                    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2019 19: 08
                      0
                      Quote: ser56
                      How many have lived in the USA? I’ve been listening to debates in the state congress for a couple of months - the language is good ...

                      Not at all. I am writing from the words of a very good friend of a lawyer who specializes in the electoral law in the Russian Federation and who has lived in the United States once in 6 more than yours
                      Quote: ser56
                      unlike you, I give arguments ...

                      No, do not bring.
                      Quote: ser56
                      that you know-it-all I know ... hi however I don’t see any arguments from you, except for myself ...

                      The ability to ignore the obvious is your hobby
                      Quote: ser56
                      1) it’s sad with you ... you haven’t even mastered the banal ismatism ...

                      That's all your argument :)))))) When specific definitions are given to you (for example, democracy), the Crying of Yaroslavna begins on your part :)
                      Quote: ser56
                      the main question is how many of these citizens in the state

                      Alas, for the definition of democracy this is NOT the main question :))) But what I like about you - even when you give a definition, you still will not go down to test your knowledge, but continue to fantasize on a given topic.
                      Quote: ser56
                      Then why is it depressing you that our authorities ranked you as de facto? Be consistent ...

                      But even in your fantasies, you allow stunning logical punctures.
                      For example, you are not able to understand that in the cases described by you, collective management is carried out by citizens. And that a citizen is not only a name, but the rights and obligations that accompany it. Nobody deprived me of the status of a citizen, I bear the duties of a citizen - but in my rights they cut me a little bit like that. And this is a fundamental difference - however, where do you understand this?
                      And secondly, the presence in the democracy of the same Greece of non-citizens does not cancel the presence of citizens. That is, yes, there were large groups of the population that could not vote, but still there was a significant group of the population that could vote, and the decisions it made were collegial. We don’t have anything like that, because the decision on appointments is not collegial - the last word is for V.V. Putin. In other words, you could still be understood if I were deprived of the opportunity to vote, but it, this opportunity, would have remained for a significant group of the population of the Russian Federation - then it was still possible with great reservations, but still talk about democracy. But there is no such group, and therefore it is impossible to talk about democracy.
                      Quote: ser56
                      draw for you in the newsletters?

                      And you did not know? :))))) What naive :)))))
                      Quote: ser56
                      Do you know democracy without the rule of law? This is a necessary but not sufficient condition ...

                      Therefore, you should not replace one with another. However, I am glad that at least something has begun to reach you.
                      Quote: ser56
                      One of the definitions of democracy is a procedure - i.e. legality ...

                      No, it didn’t :)))) Because the English gentlemen understood this phrase as EXACTLY COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS UNDER COLLEGAL DEMOCRATIC DECISIONS.
                      You either are not able (as usual) to understand what you are writing about, or you understand everything extremely literally. But, in the latter case, if democracy is a procedure, then enema is also a procedure (medical), which means enema is democracy! Would you like democracy half a bucket of skipy macaw with gramophone needles?
                      Quote: ser56
                      Hike you from your Chelyabinsk never traveled to the world

                      Yeah :))) the Russian Federation from Ulan-Ude to St. Petersburg and Belgorod, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey ... I’m generally a homebody by nature :)))))))
                      Quote: ser56
                      are you a masochist? or do you like demagoguery? you yourself showed what was done LEGALLY! Claims against your candidate - if he could not fulfill the formal requirements - then what is he capable of doing at all?

                      I will reveal a military secret - on a formal basis, you can fill up ANY candidate :)))) Without any special problems. Talk to lawyers :))))
                      Quote: ser56
                      I once very a long time ago was in the electoral headquarters for elections to the State Duma

                      It’s worthless, with your ability not to see the obvious ...
                      1. ser56
                        ser56 4 September 2019 10: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Not at all

                        then what to talk about with you? bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        When you are given specific definitions

                        do not quote your definition? from you, only wishes and nonsense ...
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Alas, for the definition of democracy this is NOT the main question :)

                        not at all - if democracy and slavery are compatible for you, then you need to work out the terms - what are the people ... demos or plebs ... bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I carry the duties of a citizen - but in my rights they cut me a little bit like that. And this is a fundamental difference - however, where do you understand this?

                        Again snot about the fact that your candidate was not capable of political struggle ... bully I understand the essence of politics, and you have intellectual nonsense ...
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And secondly, the presence in the democracy of the same Greece of non-citizens does not cancel the presence of citizens

                        so you are also a supporter of the Nazis in the Baltic states! not surprised ... all the superintendents of perestroika consistently go to Nazism ... bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        because decisions on appointments are not collegial - the last word is for V.V. Putin

                        if not a secret - and who do you want to see in this college? bully GDP is at least popularly elected, its opinion is essential for the majority of Russian citizens, but this is not acceptable for you - do you want to replace some backstage sessions with others? of those who are closer to you? bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        But there is no such group, and therefore it is impossible to talk about democracy.

                        this is your opinion offended and not true ... precisely because you do not correctly understand the essence of democracy ... bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And you did not know? :))))) What naive :)))))

                        can you prove it? or run away directly into the bushes? bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Therefore, you should not replace one with another

                        this is your thesis, not mine - you suggest replacing the rule of law with your Wishlist about some candidate ... bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        However, I am glad that at least something has begun to reach you.
                        unfortunately I can’t say the same about you - you live in the coordinates of the late 80s ....
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Because the English gentlemen

                        I do not suffer from complexes in front of England, by the way have you been to it? So - the premiere there is de facto chosen by members of the ruling party, not the people ... But I understand that in your opinion this is democracy ... bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        AT COLLEGAL DEMOCRATIC DECISIONS.
                        where did you get the idea that collegiality is the essence of democracy? For you, the power of the Politburo or the Boyar Duma is democracy? bully
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        then enema is also a procedure (medical), which means enema is democracy

                        1) yeah, it looks like you have problems ... and the level of discussion is skirting ... bully
                        2) A procedure is a procedure for nominating and registering candidates for elections, any violation of it is a violation of democracy ...
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I'm generally a homebody by nature

                        and I have to travel around the world to work and have been to many places, so I don’t have small-town pink-zhemshizov glasses ...
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Speak with lawyers

                        1) Yes, I talked a lot - like there were cases in the Arbitration - so 2 lawyers -3 opinions ....
                        2) it is impossible to fill up without serious reasons, there is still a court, publicity in the media ... so if the former governor is not even capable of this, then there is a motivated doubt about its adequacy ...
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Olk, with your ability not to see the obvious ...

                        see above about yourself beloved ... however you are a theorist ...
                  2. ser56
                    ser56 3 September 2019 17: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    leaves us "choice without choice" - those people for whom we could vote simply do not reach the vote

                    By the way - look at how Sanders was thrown out of the process in 2016 for the sake of Clinton - this is politics ... hi
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            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 3 September 2019 10: 07
              0
              Yuri, there is a hotbed of militant atheists.
              So you grabbed the cons.
              Here's an example of the Poznerian protector:
              Quote: RUSS
              Posner is an atheist, all religions are alien to him.


              You are absolutely right "Khryun knows that the Orthodox are not spiteful and patient with the Gentiles." So he shits under the door knowing that he won't be poked into the actual shit for this.
              But someone after all can not stand and put on the ears of this pig. Perhaps this crap and achieves, then to scream that there is urine.

              Ghoul he is a ghoul.

              God bless him.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 09
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Posner is a Jew. Pours shit on someone else's faith. Damn it.
            Why not comment on the actions of Jewish priests? Pissing?

            Posner is an atheist, all religions are alien to him.
            1. ser56
              ser56 3 September 2019 11: 00
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              Posner is an atheist, all religions are alien to him.

              atheism is a form of religion, as is Satanism ... request look at K. Marx ...
          3. Tank hard
            Tank hard 3 September 2019 09: 09
            0
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Damn it.
            Why not comment on the actions of Jewish priests? Pissing?

            Initially, he is a Catholic (these are not Orthodox friends), but now it is not known who, maybe you are not far from the truth. request
    5. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 2 September 2019 16: 51
      +3
      There are no tortures, there are no reservations, there is no space public debt, there are no blacks (non-citizens) ... For the company, and there is no democracy.
      Democracy in Russia will appear when at least the first three positions are present!
    6. vladcub
      vladcub 2 September 2019 17: 13
      +5
      In one of Bushkov’s novels, I read this definition of democracy
      "When you are sent to, to, and to, and you choose where to go
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 September 2019 17: 17
        -3
        Quote: vladcub
        In one of Bushkov’s novels, I read this definition of democracy
        "When you are sent to, to, and to, and you choose where to go

        Bushkov has many novels. read Koretsky, there is more patriotic and more truth of life. By the way, Bushks have fantasy too.
    7. stalki
      stalki 2 September 2019 17: 31
      +1
      If the Orthodox is dark, then I don’t know what to call the Catholic, in my opinion, more than democratic in all canons of the Russian Orthodox Church and you will not name it. And that there is no democracy in Russia, it might be better, well, nafig.
    8. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2019 17: 32
      +5
      Quote: lis-ik
      And that there is no democracy in Russia, it might be better, well, nafig.

      This is just fine.
      Personally, I do not want to live under the system that they misunderstood to call "democracy."

      They do not have majority rule, but minority rule. And this "democracy" was originally. Since the days of the ancient Greeks, when few could "democratically" own slaves. And kill people like Socrates. Democratic decision of the minority.
    9. Old tanker
      Old tanker 2 September 2019 18: 22
      -1
      Rzhachno!
      The Orthodox Church, with its strictest hierarchy and strict vertical of power, is “democratic” ?!
      What are you talking about? !!
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 2 September 2019 20: 13
        -1
        Quote: Old Tanker
        Rzhachno!
        The Orthodox Church, with its strictest hierarchy and strict vertical of power, is “democratic” ?!
        What are you talking about? !!

        And if you still remember how it was planted, the Hague smells there, for sure!
    10. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 07
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      If the Orthodox is dark,

      Dark means archaic and oddly superstitious on the verge of paganism, not all of course the ROC, but many of its ministers and part of the flock.
      Quote: lis-ik
      . And that there is no democracy in Russia

      Yes ...... neither of you can corrode a servile, slavish mentality.
    11. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 3 September 2019 10: 44
      0
      And what is Posner wrong? Maybe we have good medicine or an excellent education, I’m unable to get an appointment with an orthopedist for a month, I don’t have any numbers, the doctor takes me 2 days a week until 12:00, the curtain ... One doctor says one thing, the other says the other, both work in one hospital and this is not some extraordinary case, it’s everywhere, it’s even worse, it’s in St. Petersburg, but in the province it’s just P. Or maybe we have a mortgage of 1,5%, like from a Sberbank in Prague, oh, we don’t have from a Sberbank 10 %, about gasoline in Kazakhstan from Rosneft and in the Russian Federation to remind? But in France or England, do prosecutors threaten to take away children from rally participants, and expel students from universities for participating in rallies? I am not a supporter of Navalny, and I don’t like cookies in principle, but living with us is difficult, and not even because of low salaries, but because of widespread lawlessness, kumovst and criminal inaction, and often the actions of the authorities. September 15, baptism of a daughter, think for free, think about how baptism should be done for free, and then everyone, to the best of his ability and conscience, brings some sacrificial amount? Yeah, no matter how ... And why do we have so many atheists right now? The Catholic Church is still far away, but the trend is bad.
    12. smart ass
      smart ass 4 September 2019 12: 31
      0
      And the gundya is headed by the brightest man
  2. Labrador
    Labrador 2 September 2019 15: 31
    +7
    I wish I could lose this earnings on TV.
    1. lucul
      lucul 2 September 2019 16: 03
      +1
      I wish I could lose this earnings on TV.

      What non-kosher speeches do you speak))))
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 2 September 2019 17: 04
        +2
        But the truth is not kosher at all. (large-scale and ambiguous happened, but what can you do)
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 2 September 2019 17: 28
      +2
      Quote: Labrador
      I wish I could lose this earnings on TV.

      Do as I do - do not watch his programs. His rating will fall and he will immediately be asked to exit.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 07
      -3
      Quote: Labrador
      I wish I could lose this earnings on TV.

      And you in his place laughing
      1. Labrador
        Labrador 2 September 2019 22: 47
        +1
        Thank you, but I feel good in my place. stop
  3. nesvobodnaja
    nesvobodnaja 2 September 2019 15: 32
    +4
    It’s high time to limit the presence on the main federal channels of characters constantly kicking Russia, where these characters have blossomed in bright colors, have enriched themselves, but continue to water it with verbiage.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 48
      +8
      Quote: nesvobodnaja
      It’s high time to limit the presence on the main federal channels of characters constantly kicking Russia,

      Do you want only Solovyov and Kiselyov to stay .. I don’t give a damn about Posner, but why don't they give time on federal channels to socialists, communists? Here is cheers patriotism, which is pouring from all the cracks, you need to change to realism, and preferably also leading ones, otherwise the comrades get garbage .. I myself have soaped myself to live in Europe .. but it teaches us patriotism ..
      1. ultra
        ultra 2 September 2019 16: 06
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        but why do not give time on federal channels to socialists, communists?

        Do we have them? I don’t see something.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2019 16: 07
          +2
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: Svarog
          but why do not give time on federal channels to socialists, communists?

          Do we have them? I don’t see something.

          Grudinin, Shevchenko, Platoshkin .. you don’t have enough, and if you don’t hurt many more bright personalities will appear.
          1. ultra
            ultra 2 September 2019 16: 11
            +11
            Although I myself voted for Grudinin, he is the same communist-socialist as I am Giselle. Shevchenko is without comment. But Platoshkin can, but only create a new party. And of the existing ones, we have neither communists, nor socialists Problems.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2019 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Grudinin, Shevchenko, Platoshkin ..

            Instead of them in Russia 24 regularly acts Zyuganov.
            1. RAE8
              RAE8 3 September 2019 04: 23
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              Instead of them in Russia 24 regularly acts Zyuganov.

              Thus conducting the anti-advertising of the Communist Party. Probably thought so.
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 2 September 2019 16: 53
        +1
        We want the "opposition" not to confuse the shores and not touch some things with their "judgments". In the west there are topics that are forbidden even for local Pravdorubov. And it is right.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2019 16: 56
          +1
          Quote: Cottodraton
          We want the "opposition" not to confuse the shores and not touch some things with their "judgments". In the west there are topics that are forbidden even for local Pravdorubov. And it is right.

          And what specific topics should not be touched by judgments in the West, and what do you think is unacceptable in our country?
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 2 September 2019 17: 09
            +4
            For example, trying to interpret history in your own way, trying to pour mud on yourself - "repent" ... None of the Anglo-Saxons has ever been noticed in this. But our vomit pop position always wants to repent before someone and look for one negative in our history and civilization (yes, we have OWN civilization, no matter how you turn you around), instilling an inferiority complex on the ethnic group ...
            WELL NOT THE PERFECT WEST, it's time to understand this truth and throw the shit of the 80-90s mantra about their superiority out of my head. We are no worse
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 September 2019 17: 52
              +1
              Quote: Cottodraton
              For example, trying to interpret history in your own way, trying to pour mud on yourself - "repent" ...

              That’s for sure, repentance and sprinkling ash on your head is not worth it, but you must carefully deal with history, now even in our kingdom it is biased very much ..
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 3 September 2019 09: 14
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        but why do not give time on federal channels to socialists, communists?

        How not to give? Yes, they lead the country! wink
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 12
      -2
      Quote: nesvobodnaja
      It’s high time to limit the presence on the main federal channels of characters constantly kicking Russia, where these characters have blossomed in bright colors, have enriched themselves, but continue to water it with verbiage.

      And leave on TV only Kissel, Nightingale and the Skobeev-Popov couple? And then we will heal !!! And there will be a breakthrough !!!
      1. nesvobodnaja
        nesvobodnaja 3 September 2019 12: 54
        0
        This also should not be too zealous ...)
  4. Svarog
    Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 33
    +8
    Posner said that in Europe people feel freer than in Russia.

    Not freedom of Russia is needed, but social justice, fair elections, science, education, own production from cowards to computers .. That's when citizens will live with dignity, then there will be true freedom .. but what kind of freedom Pozner tells me is not clear ..
    1. Angelica
      Angelica 2 September 2019 15: 49
      +4
      Svarog (Vladimir)
      Russia does not need freedom, but social justice, fair elections, science, education, own production from cowards to computers ..

      All of the above you need any country.
      But how many countries do you know where all of the above is present?
      But the Soviet Union almost all of this was. Well, or almost everything.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 50
        -1
        Quote: angelica
        But the Soviet Union almost all of this was. Well, or almost everything.

        So I’m talking about that ..
        1. Angelica
          Angelica 2 September 2019 15: 52
          +1
          This is a sore point for me.
          Have done something stupid (the people as a whole) in 91. And now we are trying to invent a "bicycle".
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 2 September 2019 15: 54
            +1
            Quote: angelica
            And now we are trying to invent a "bicycle".

            Unfortunately, we don’t even try .. they invented their bike and it suits them .. (those who are now in power), unlike the vast majority of citizens.
          2. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 2 September 2019 16: 59
            +2
            Not, judging by the result, not stupidity. Houses and roads are being built, cars are being sold, each has 3 phones.
            In the Gorbachev Soviet Union, even the cultivation of food was declared unearned income. Warehouses were full of groceries, you could "get" everything, but the shops were empty ...
            No, they did everything right, suffered from acute cargo-occultism, and now we are slowly rebuilding the country.
            And the United States, the Irish Democratic Republican mafia, which came to power with L. Johnson, and ruling so far, is doing the same with the USA as the Communist Party in the USSR.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 September 2019 17: 34
        -1
        Only there was nothing on sale. Something was being produced somewhere, and the same toilet paper was in the queue.
  5. Rwmos
    Rwmos 2 September 2019 15: 37
    +7
    And even in this dark church, they are not allowed to blow the shofar, and they don’t give matzo, barbarians.
    In general, according to the laws of the Russian Federation, what Pozdner said, given his nationality, is the propaganda of nat. discord.
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 2 September 2019 17: 39
      +4
      according to the laws of the Russian Federation, what Pozdner said, given his nationality, is the propaganda of nat. discord.

      Ahahah Taunted. So, according to 282 in the vast majority of Russians they judge.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: 777-3-59-97
        according to the laws of the Russian Federation, what Pozdner said, given his nationality, is the propaganda of nat. discord.

        Ahahah Taunted. So, according to 282 in the vast majority of Russians they judge.

        228
  6. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 2 September 2019 15: 37
    +1
    Pozner called the Russian Orthodox Church dark, and Russia - a country without democracy
    Let him go to the USA and try to criticize the authorities in the same way. Although ... no one will let him into the central channels. And without such a rostrum, what he can do the most is to preach democracy to the homeless in the shelter and ... uh ... blacks in Harlem by the evening fire in a barrel.
    Europe people feel freer
    They may feel freer, but whether they are freer is a big question.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 September 2019 16: 01
      +5
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Let him go to the USA and try to criticize the authorities in the same way.

      Yes easily
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Although ... no one will let him into the central channels.

      Yes, but that’s what America cannot take away — power there can be criticized quite freely. And on television this criticism in bulk.
      Quote: abrakadabre
      They may feel freer, but whether they are freer is a big question.

      I agree:)
    2. den3080
      den3080 2 September 2019 16: 03
      +3
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Pozner called the Russian Orthodox Church dark, and Russia - a country without democracy
      Let him go to the USA and try to criticize the authorities in the same way. Although ... no one will let him into the central channels. And without such a rostrum, what he can do the most is to preach democracy to the homeless in the shelter and ... uh ... blacks in Harlem by the evening fire in a barrel.
      Europe people feel freer
      They may feel freer, but whether they are freer is a big question.

      I believe that in the United States they criticize the authorities in a way that no one in Russia has ever dreamed of. There, investigations against the president have been going on for years. Trump will not let lie smile it is at least.
      And Posner is already old. He really thinks he is a superstar :) but carries a nonsense. This is also a fact.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 2 September 2019 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: den3080
        I believe that in the United States they criticize the authorities in a way that no one in Russia has ever dreamed of. There, investigations against the president have been going on for years. Trump will not let it lie at least.

        Yeah .. and we have Gorbachev retirement 600 tons p. receives, the Yeltsin Center was rebuilt to Yeltsin, they would be judged ... but no .. And this is very wrong, you understand the continuity .. The presidents of the presidents are afraid to judge, as if they themselves would not be condemned then ..
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 14
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          The presidents of the presidents are afraid to judge, as though they themselves would not be condemned later ..

          What kind of court? Are you losing it? They are "flesh of flesh."
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 2 September 2019 16: 55
        +2
        No one really criticizes anything there. All the "critics" were shut up long ago who were shouting too much.
      3. Plantagenet
        Plantagenet 2 September 2019 23: 30
        +1
        "And Posner is already old. He really thinks that he is a superstar :) but he is talking nonsense. This is also a fact."

        Yeah, for example:
        "And faith is another matter here. For example, the immaculate conception. But I am a biologist by education. Well, this does not happen. There is no immaculate conception. There is artificial insemination, whatever. But this does not happen. I say: well, how is this ? He says - it's a miracle. Ah, I say, then yes, of course, since a miracle, there is nothing to talk about. "
  7. u4iy
    u4iy 2 September 2019 15: 38
    +3
    Novodvorskaya Nemtsov Yakovlev Yeltsin and other comrades are waiting for him in hell!)))
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 14
      -2
      Quote: u4iy
      Novodvorskaya Nemtsov Yakovlev Yeltsin and other comrades are waiting for him in hell!)))

      Together with Stalin
  8. Angelica
    Angelica 2 September 2019 15: 40
    +4
    But not a stupid person. Why is he talking such nonsense? fool
    And why does he torment himself while living in Russia?
    Born in France. Then he lived in the USA.
    Well, I would have gone to where the "light elves" in pink glasses live. crying
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 2 September 2019 16: 56
      +1
      Here they’re making money
  9. mark_rod
    mark_rod 2 September 2019 15: 41
    +2
    At the expense of the church, he definitely lied ... Our church cannot be dark, because today it is the most profitable business! It is enough to look closely at any "clergy" to understand this.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 September 2019 15: 43
      +6
      Quote: mark_rod
      He definitely lied to the church account ... Our church cannot be dark, because today it is the most profitable business!

      We will not compare the church and faith, it was walked precisely by faith.
      1. 777-3-59-97
        777-3-59-97 2 September 2019 17: 42
        0
        It was just about the church.
        "Posner called the Russian Orthodox Church" dark "
  10. Graz
    Graz 2 September 2019 15: 41
    +4
    It is better for a Pozner to leave Russia once and for all, he is not a Russian citizen in his worldview, so why torture himself, he seems to have no our citizenship
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 September 2019 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: Graz
      he is not a Russian by his perception of the world,

      So then all the "elite" need to collect money for us .. they, in my opinion, are also according to the outlook, and many also according to the second citizenship, they are not Russians at all ..
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      he is not a Russian by his perception of the world,

      And there is no such thing as "Russian by attitude", there is Russian, and the Russian is a new word from the 90s, by the way, your beloved Yeltsin was one of the first to use it.
      1. Graz
        Graz 2 September 2019 21: 25
        +1
        Pozner is Jewish by father and French by mother, so he, by definition, cannot be ethnic Russian
  11. Destiny
    Destiny 2 September 2019 15: 42
    0
    Well, good riddance. I'm tired of all these poznereshejakimakarevichs. But no, here everyone is sitting and bile spitting on a country that feeds them all for some reason ..
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 19
      0
      Quote: Destiny
      which feeds them all for some reason ..

      They feed themselves, but officials pouring dirt on citizens and stealing the budget just get their salaries from our deductions!
  12. smaug78
    smaug78 2 September 2019 15: 44
    +1
    Where exactly in Europe do they feel freer: perhaps in France and Belgium, where terrorist attacks in the past few years are in the tens, and victims in the hundreds - freedom is now measured in terrorist attacks? All the same, stupid propagandists are a disaster for the country. USSR- an example (((
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 2 September 2019 16: 57
      -2
      What is this “freedom” anyway? However, this is some kind of chimera ...
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 19
        -3
        Quote: Cottodraton
        What is this “freedom” anyway? However, this is some kind of chimera ...

        Slave does not understand, unfortunately
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 3 September 2019 04: 23
          +1
          The excuse is standard, liberal. You are constantly rushing from one extreme to another and want this and that, but nothing concrete. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that your concept of "freedom" is a chimera, something mythical. You yourself don't know what it is
        2. nesvobodnaja
          nesvobodnaja 3 September 2019 12: 58
          0
          We are not slaves, we are not slaves.
  13. Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
    Popov Konstantin Ivanovich 2 September 2019 15: 45
    +2
    Well, what else can this SHLEMAZL hiss. Posner, in spite of the fact that he is "VVP", sorry in advance, a bag of shit. He was the very first in the USSR from the TV screen began to shit in the brains of people, pour crap on our country, a rotten-ass echidna. A bag on the head and to the "Sharia quarters" of his very beloved London.
    In general, colleagues have a proposal to create a section "tales from the crypt" (well, or "miracles in a sieve", etc.) and there to throw off news from all sorts of non-brothers, "faces" like Posner, Tribals, liberals and gay Europeans, well, in general, from everything European (and near) bestiality. So we are with you - "Voennoye Obozreniye", let's talk about weapons, wars, military history, technology, etc. And in the section with these eccentrics (with the letter M), take your soul away, swear Well, in the sense of scolding, but just bawling, running elephants in the china shop.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 September 2019 15: 48
      +5
      Quote: Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
      He was the very first in the USSR from the TV screen began to spoil people’s brains, shit our country, rotten-footed echidna.

      Together with the famous "patriot" Mr. Solovyov, they worked at the radio station "Silver Rain" and conducted author's programs. Only one weather vane was repainted, while the other remained true to itself.
      1. Vadim02rus
        Vadim02rus 2 September 2019 17: 26
        +1
        Mr. Solovyov worked at the radio station "Silver Rain" and conducted author's programs

        Gordon forgot hi
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 2 September 2019 17: 40
          +2
          Quote: Vadim02rus
          Mr. Solovyov worked at the radio station "Silver Rain" and conducted author's programs

          Gordon forgot hi

          Yes, he forgot, and he was there, and they listened.
  14. Antokha
    Antokha 2 September 2019 15: 47
    +5
    What does this creature have to do with military review?
  15. TTLS
    TTLS 2 September 2019 15: 49
    -4
    Why else did the ROC not anathematize this Posner? The ROC should not be called "dark" just because it is more economically efficient than the Catholic and Protestant churches in the West.
    1. lucul
      lucul 2 September 2019 16: 00
      -5
      Why has the ROC not anathematized this Posner?

      Yes, because the Russian Orthodox Church is led by a person who, in essence, is not able to rule, but is very convenient to the authorities.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 20
      -1
      Quote: TTLS
      Why has the ROC not anathematized this Posner?

      Because Posner is not baptized laughing
  16. Azazelo
    Azazelo 2 September 2019 15: 50
    -4
    When this one dies ...
  17. Victor N
    Victor N 2 September 2019 15: 51
    +1
    Pozner - ALIEN in Russia, it is a lot of honor to discuss his fabrications.
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 September 2019 15: 52
    +2
    According to Vladimir Pozner, who remembered the European Charter of Liberties of 1215, "in Europe, already in the XIII century, the power of the king was limited"
    .Well, we have already passed, the will was, but terrible. Various centennial, thirty-year, religious and even different wars there, which coughed up over the full population of Europe. It is especially noteworthy that in Russia there were no such horrors until the beginning of the 20 century]. In general, it is time to drive from television this alien man with an alien ideology.
  19. Moskovit
    Moskovit 2 September 2019 15: 53
    +5
    Dark she, the Russian Orthodox Church. Against gays, against drugs, against pedophilia. The West has already been enlightened. The church there is zero without a wand.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 September 2019 16: 05
      +5
      Quote: Moskovit
      Dark she, the Russian Orthodox Church. Against gays, against drugs, against pedophilia. The West has already been enlightened. The church there is zero without a wand.

      You add a smiley face, otherwise the people here are harsh, many people skip school on the day of knowledge and, accordingly, do not understand sarcasm.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 2 September 2019 17: 40
        +3
        Yes, I will survive the minus). Or maybe it's the opponents of the Russian Orthodox Church, those who are for gays, pedophilia and drugs))
  20. AVA77
    AVA77 2 September 2019 15: 58
    +1
    And the point is to discuss in VO, the squeaky female Chihuahua, who regularly crap in the apartment where she lives.
  21. kefan
    kefan 2 September 2019 15: 59
    +2
    The old senile already survives completely out of his mind, it is necessary to drive him and the like from everywhere.
  22. Russobel
    Russobel 2 September 2019 15: 59
    +1
    Yes, it’s just you who are comrade Posner.
    As Khodas said, if you are dark then I will enlighten you.
    Go to your next homeland and don’t be foolish!
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 September 2019 16: 11
    0
    And why the hell Posner is still in Russia, good riddance to the western shit democracy, maybe some migrant will taunt him with a bald stupidity.
  24. Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 2 September 2019 16: 13
    -2
    For Russia, democracy and freedom are harmful. Feudalism and a strong hand of the feudal lord are necessary.
  25. Evil echo
    Evil echo 2 September 2019 16: 15
    +1
    I forgot to add this miracle that Russia is recognized as the most uncomfortable state for LGBT people.
    1. Evil echo
      Evil echo 4 September 2019 19: 47
      0
      Two against, along the way, LGBT supporters have a tut. laughing
  26. PValery53
    PValery53 2 September 2019 16: 16
    -2
    Renegade, but not Kautsky.
  27. Phil77
    Phil77 2 September 2019 16: 22
    -2
    You know colleagues! I don’t presume to discuss the Russian Orthodox Church, this is not mine! But, Posner?!?! Who is he and who is his name? !!!? (To blame, nothing personal !! +).
  28. ser56
    ser56 2 September 2019 16: 22
    -1
    and who is he to discuss him seriously? bully
    Moreover, he also does not know the history of Russia - the tsar’s power was limited to the Boyar Duma and the Patriarch ...
    1. nesvobodnaja
      nesvobodnaja 2 September 2019 16: 49
      -1
      What are you, what are you .... He is a very important TV-acadEmik)
  29. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 September 2019 16: 23
    +2
    There are beautiful words about elections and democracy attributed to Margarita Simonyan. The VO code does not allow to quote him. I will be less cruel. If there was real democracy in Russia, such "famous TV presenters" would starve to death from worthlessness.
    This rude type constantly teaches us how to live, complains about everything and climbs with "his own charter" in a foreign country.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 2 September 2019 16: 31
      +2
      Taki Posner forgot to mention bonfires in the Middle Ages, the Jesuits and the Inquisition, that is, the sources of Light.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 22
        -2
        Quote: Ugolek
        Taki Posner forgot to mention bonfires in the Middle Ages, the Jesuits and the Inquisition, that is, the sources of Light.

        Pohner poher both on the Russian Orthodox Church and on the Catholics, so your comment is nothing
  30. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 September 2019 16: 29
    -1
    Democracy is the power of democrats.
  31. yehat
    yehat 2 September 2019 16: 30
    -3
    Do you want European freedom?
    stop the car on the German autobahn, open the hood and try, for example, to tighten the battery mount more firmly. They will quickly explain to you how free you are and how much the fine is required to pay.
    There is freedom in Europe, of course, but not everywhere. For example, in Montenegro or the Czech Republic, it is more likely to exist.
    But in Estonia, Germany, England, France, Switzerland, freedom is only for the very rich.
  32. glk63
    glk63 2 September 2019 16: 32
    0
    It would be necessary for citizen Pozner to shelter a couple of immigrants at home ... And then everything is somehow unfounded) You look, the world will sparkle with new colors for him)
  33. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 2 September 2019 16: 32
    0
    This nonsense can not understand (and, most likely, this is his task, as a representative of Judaism, ALWAYS fighting Christianity), that the Orthodox Church, as pure and preserving the integrity of the Canons of the Faith, which does not allow sodomy, pederasty, incest, bestiality , the fighting of all kinds is the only stronghold not yet defeated by the Satanism of the West. Such disciples of Satan need all that is being done THERE boldly from the face of the Earth and us.
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 2 September 2019 17: 59
      +2
      Whoa whoa. God's servant, take it easy.
      The Orthodox Church, as the canons of the Faith clean and preserving the integrity

      What kind of Orthodox Church are we talking about? The case is not about the one that is called the ROC? Then I have to upset. If Google is not banned, then you can read about pedagogy and pedophilia in the "pure" and "canonical" Russian Orthodox Church. And also all kinds of things - Mercedes, yachts, jets, villas, full-fledged business.
      And the fact that frank candidacies with bloodied hands and thieving officials go to confess in the ROC priests, yes, this stronghold is not defeated by Satanism.
  34. gel
    gel 2 September 2019 16: 33
    +2
    Posner is an ordinary worm. Homeland is where you can eat hearty.
    England must be a model of democracy for him
    Fans of British "democracy" read and cry (Rogers)
    https://glav.su/blog/34014/1404483/
  35. Lontus
    Lontus 2 September 2019 16: 38
    +2
    Maybe there is no democracy in it because the power in the entire media space has been planting all kinds of partners for over 30 years?
    and in general because the power of the Russian Federation is related to the partners?
  36. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 2 September 2019 16: 40
    -6
    I offer Posner to shoot. And at the same time, some commentators on VO.
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 2 September 2019 16: 50
      0
      Quote: Victoria-In
      I offer Posner to shoot. And at the same time, some commentators on VO.

      Why shoot? We are not animals.
      Let them work in the far north and in mines
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 2 September 2019 21: 25
        0
        Quote: Lontus
        Quote: Victoria-In
        I offer Posner to shoot. And at the same time, some commentators on VO.

        Why shoot? We are not animals.
        Let them work in the far north and in mines

        I will upset you, unlike the Stalin era, there is a lot of automation in the mines, and those people who work there earn very good money, you are 80 years behind life
  37. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 September 2019 16: 41
    +2
    According to Vladimir Pozner, who remembered the European Charter of Liberties of 1215, "in Europe, already in the XIII century, the power of the king was limited"

    After the king’s power was limited ... all kinds of Napoleons, Hitlers, Franco, Mussolini came to anything that didn’t limit themselves, and now there’s big capital, which spins the parliaments, presidents, courts and law enforcement agencies as he wants. In other words, the restriction of the monarchs turned into impunity for those who limited them in their favor.
  38. sleeve
    sleeve 2 September 2019 16: 42
    0
    Hmm ... A light of culture or what? I ask his petition, how is the contribution to our culture measured? Hours of air? Who is he (together with Solovyov and Skobeeva) to judge us ??? maddened "Moscow" philosophers? Get out of the hut ...
  39. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 2 September 2019 16: 45
    +1
    I do not remember that the "dark ROC" organized crusades or lived "witches" ... But the "Light Catholics" ...
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 2 September 2019 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Cottodraton
      I don’t remember that the "dark ROC" organized crusades

      Why don’t you like the Crusades? Muslims at that time had already captured almost half of the Christian world and moved on (the Middle East and North Africa, once Christian territories). Allahakbartsev had to be stopped at all costs. In the end, they stopped. It’s bad that I couldn’t get my back (with the exception of Spain).
  40. rocket757
    rocket757 2 September 2019 16: 46
    0
    Let them not live with their "freedom" themselves, do not go to us! To me, too, expert-polystranets! He has no homeland, a country that regrets about him! So he is furious, like everyone who is plucked from here!
  41. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 September 2019 16: 58
    +1
    If there was Internet in the 30s, this would be what bullying enemies of the people would look like. No, I’m not for Posner. But if you are for Putin. then take the country as it suits Vladimir Vladimirovich. After all, it’s under Putin that Posner feels at ease, it’s with him on TV the dominance of crested analysts. This Kremlin contains ehomoskva. So what are you unhappy with?
  42. Amateur
    Amateur 2 September 2019 17: 00
    +2
    Jewish Posner called the Russian Orthodox Church
    The “dark” Russian Orthodox Church, adding that it is “much darker than the Catholic and Protestant”
    .
    If I now name .... (a certain God-chosen ...), then I will immediately get an "anti-Semite", and maybe a blockage, etc., because "this causes ethnic strife." What is the name of the country in which we live?
  43. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 2 September 2019 17: 06
    +3
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    America cannot be taken away - power there can be criticized quite freely. And on television this criticism in bulk.

    If you are a "kosher" critic. From outside the Irish mafia families, it is deadly to criticize, accidentally a police officer will shoot and be right.
    Or maybe not a cop. In 1980, in the USA, in front of dozens of people, in the presence of color television, 4 Native American activists were shot dead at a rally. Six times, the courts tried to re-judge, but the verdict did not change - the farmers correctly shot the Indians buzzing outside the reservation.
  44. tracer
    tracer 2 September 2019 17: 10
    -4
    I would advise Pozdner to keep an eye on his wailing wall ...
  45. Phil77
    Phil77 2 September 2019 17: 16
    0
    Yeah! I came to the conclusion that he doesn’t eat and that he’s better not to be! Now we’re thinking !!!! What the hell is this body doing on the main TV channel ?????
  46. vladcub
    vladcub 2 September 2019 17: 24
    +1
    "He called the Russian Orthodox Church" dark ", apparently because in Russia the attitudes of church culture and morality are still strong. I judge by the local church, a lot of young people come in, but I cannot say that they are so religious. All the same, 21st century.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 2 September 2019 17: 33
      -1
      ROC? Judging by alexi
  47. Ursus
    Ursus 2 September 2019 17: 29
    +2
    The whole message of Mr. Pozner is clearly aimed at reflecting on the “saints” 90, when anarchy reigned in Russia (or rather, the oligarchs tore at each other amid manual control from the USA), when the country was torn apart by war in the Caucasus, but the West liked us so much.


    Proof at least some possible? And it’s like wishful thinking.
  48. demo
    demo 2 September 2019 17: 37
    -1
    "How dare you, insolent, with an unclean snout
    Here is a pure stir up drink
    My....."

    Here, after all, Posner and the fruit.
    Not even a fruit, but a bug.
    Both small and smelly.

    Let's compare the "merits" of the Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran churches in the fight against heretics, witches and other scum of society.
    And then compare with the activities of the Orthodox.
    And then we conclude - who is more dense?
    Does the Inquisition bonfire make the Catholic Church more civilized?
    Maybe it was worth being more dense?
  49. morpogr
    morpogr 2 September 2019 17: 50
    +3
    If you don’t like it here, don’t work and don’t live here.
  50. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 2 September 2019 17: 52
    +1
    Oh, Orthodoxy would not have touched a Gentile.