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Ukraine intends to modernize its MiG-29 with the help of Israel

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Ukraine intends to modernize eleven MiG-29 fighter aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of specialists from the Israeli company Elbit Systems. This was written by Ukrainian military blogger Diana Mikhailova with reference to a statement by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, made on condition of anonymity.


Ukraine intends to modernize its MiG-29 with the help of Israel


According to the representative of the Ukrainian military department, in Kiev, the issue of modernization of the 11 MiG-29 fighter of the Ukrainian Armed Forces AFU with the help of specialists from the Israeli company Elbit Systems is being worked out. At the same time, according to the representative of the Ministry of Defense, the cost of modernization of each aircraft will be about 40 million dollars. He claims that the upgraded fighters will receive fundamentally new capabilities and the latest weapons for air combat.

Meanwhile, according to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, military experts criticized this statement about the cost of upgrading one fighter in 40 million dollars, since the total amount of 440 million needed to modernize all aircraft is completely impossible for the Ukrainian budget.

The possibility of Israeli specialists to modernize the MiG-29 fighters is also being questioned. Earlier, Elbit Systems, together with German experts, has already tried to modernize the MiG-29 in Romania under the Sniper program. As a result of development and success, this program did not have, and all upgraded MiG-29 were withdrawn from service.

According to military experts, Ukraine expects the same finale. Most likely, as has already been done more than once, Ukraine, with the help of Israeli experts, will create a demo version of the upgraded MiG-29, announcing the standardization of the aircraft with NATO communications and identification systems. It is likely that a “glass” cabin with the latest displays will appear on the upgraded model and this will end, as avionics, engines, weapons and other equipment will remain the same. Operation of such machines may be unsafe due to unintended design changes.

Modernization Issues

Ukraine cannot independently upgrade its existing fleet of MiG-29 fighters for one simple reason - all ties with Russia have been severed due to the imposition of sanctions against it by Kiev. As previously stated at the Lviv Aviation Repair Plant, the contract for updating aircraft cannot be fulfilled, since the plant lost the opportunity to purchase Russian spare parts for fighters.

According to another source in the Ukrainian Armed Forces command, Ukraine is experiencing special problems due to the inability to purchase radar equipment in Russia. According to him, Ukraine itself has blocked all the possibilities of obtaining spare parts by introducing anti-Russian sanctions. And due to the fact that the light MiG-29 fighter is the main aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, the problem with its repair and modernization was very acute against the impossibility of acquiring new aircraft.

The weak point of the fighters is the on-board radar equipment, which was supplied from Russia. Replacing it due to existing sanctions is virtually impossible. Therefore, any "modernization", which is announced in Ukraine with fanfare, is conditional

- he explained.

illegitimacy of modernization

In addition to the problem of the inability to carry out modernization on its own due to anti-Russian sanctions, Ukraine lacks the legitimacy of such work due to the lack of relevant documentation and a license from MiG Corporation. Although it was reported on the website of the Lviv Aircraft Plant that the production and technical base and personnel of the enterprise allow the MiG-29 to be “qualitatively and quickly” repaired in strict accordance with the requirements of the technical documentation of KB named after Mikoyan, in fact, they don’t have such documentation.

As stated in the MiG corporation, in Ukraine there is no “relevant documentation”, and all attempts to independently carry out repairs directly affect its quality and safety.

According to the CEO of the corporation, Ilya Tarasenko, the MiG RSK has already received complaints from foreign states due to poor-quality work on Soviet fighters that were carried out in Ukraine.

As Ukrainian media previously reported, in all, Ukraine owns about 45 MiG-29 fighters in the MU and MU1 modifications. According to the plans of the Lviv Aircraft Plant, these fighters should be upgraded to the МУ2 level, which allows the use of guided air-to-surface missiles and adjustable bombs.
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  1. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 29 August 2019 13: 30
    +20
    military experts criticized this statement about the cost of upgrading one fighter at $ 40 million, since the total amount of 440 million needed to modernize all aircraft is completely unbearable for the Ukrainian budget
    if the amount is unbearable, then it can be cut and removed in parts laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 August 2019 13: 37
      +1
      Commanders, relatively speaking, are new, but the problems are the same!
      Prikolenko, but it seems to be expected.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 13: 51
      +5
      When will they switch to used Western equipment in Ukraine? My article on the Military Review: "Another view. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of the Bandera troops" has already gone 6 years. What kind of mazahists are there? If they betrayed our common history, the Victory on May 9, culture and language, and then began to fight with those who do not want to betray, then the option with two white stripes on Soviet technology is a zashkvar. What is the beauty of Ukrainian farmer's nationalism, that in one place, they see "Sovok" and the Russian heritage, and in another not, they also use it.
      Throughout the 2000s, hatred of conscription service in the Ukrainian army was cultivated there, shouting at the Maidans: "Patriotic do not serve lies, slaves and dogs serve on the call!" But when Yanukovych canceled the draft, they still didn't like it. And after taking power on the Maidan, they made such a call to the ATO in 2014-2015 that adequate people were afraid to get to work by bus, or go through the checkpoint of the plant. Even dual citizenship was not saved. One eccentric then came from Austria, himself from the Philharmonic, and they grabbed him.
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 29 August 2019 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        When will Ukraine already switch to used Western equipment?

        when they save up money, who can give it to them for free? laughing
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 13: 55
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        They did not save even dual citizenship.

        But in the 2004, Yushchenko’s headquarters was confusing the Russian-speaking people that if Yanukovych came to power and allowed dual citizenship with the Russian Federation, then your children would be sent to Chechnya! But after 10 years, they themselves decided to play around in Chechnya and call. Sorry for the adequate people there.
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 29 August 2019 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        My article on the Military Review: "Another view. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of the Bandera troops" has already gone 6 years.

        You can link, I want to read
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 14: 05
          0
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          My article on the Military Review: "Another view. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of the Bandera troops" has already gone 6 years.

          You can link, I want to read

          Click on my profile. Section of publication.
          1. kit88
            kit88 29 August 2019 14: 30
            +3
            Someone especially clever made it so that publications in the profile no longer open.
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 14: 37
              0
              Quote: kit88
              Someone especially clever made it so that publications in the profile no longer open.

              then hammer in the Yandex search engine the name of the article. I’m sitting on the phone, it’s inconvenient to sit and copy links in the mode of many open windows.
            2. sedoj
              sedoj 29 August 2019 14: 41
              0
              Quote: kit88
              Someone especially clever made it so that publications in the profile no longer open.

              I have opened. belay
              1. kit88
                kit88 29 August 2019 14: 52
                +4
                Well I do not know. I have Comments open without problems, Publications - are not perceived as a link
      4. svp67
        svp67 29 August 2019 15: 51
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        When will Ukraine already switch to used Western equipment?

        When the United States gives the green light to supply and retrain pilots and ground personnel, at its own expense. And so the Ukrainians are not the first time talking about their readiness to transfer to the F-16, and they are very much looking at the A-10
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 29 August 2019 16: 50
          -1
          Last week it was reported that Ukraine was going to buy cheap piston attack aircraft from Brazil, I don’t know what years of production ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 August 2019 17: 09
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            I don’t know what years of release ..

            New, this is a completely modern development, but for a counter-guerrilla struggle.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 29 August 2019 17: 18
              -1
              Thank you, but this technique is associated with fighting someone like Indians in the jungle, but here it seems like a country that has already "sniffed" civilization ... laughing
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 August 2019 17: 24
                0
                Quote: hydrox
                and here it seems like a country that has already "sniffed" civilization ...

                I don't know what they "sniff" there, but this plane can still be used for training pilots.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 29 August 2019 14: 59
      +1
      They turned to the wrong place. They will be dealt with quickly at the Odessa Privoz ..
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 29 August 2019 14: 59
      +4
      What the author of the article confuses. In Romania, the MiG-29 has never been in service, and the MiG-21, which have undergone modernization of avionics, still serve.
      1. Hermann
        Hermann 29 August 2019 15: 25
        +1
        There, a Romanian company participated in the modernization.
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 29 August 2019 16: 03
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In Romania, the MiG-29 was never in service

        Romania in 1989-1994 received 18 MiG-29 and 4 MiG-29UB. One car was redesigned under the Sniper program. Nowadays, there is no MiG-29 in the Romanian Air Force.
    5. den3080
      den3080 29 August 2019 16: 17
      +2
      garni litaki will be deducted.
      but drank - it's holy winked
    6. svp67
      svp67 29 August 2019 16: 22
      0
      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      if the amount is unbearable,

      Is not a fact. It can be "borrowed" from the USA too ...
    7. hydrox
      hydrox 29 August 2019 16: 45
      -1
      Especially for this, this amount is made so unbearable.
      The Yankees will give money, they will also give permission to Israel to carry out work (well, should Israel share it with the owners?) laughing
    8. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 29 August 2019 17: 37
      0
      They would have stolen a large sum too, but who should they give them? Moreover, Trump, instead of $ 250 million, showed an indecent gesture. In general, what kind of modernization are we talking about if there are no spare parts?
    9. Ascold1901
      Ascold1901 30 August 2019 14: 51
      0
      So for this - “... to cut and drag away ...” everything is started.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 29 August 2019 13: 34
    0
    A mixture of a bulldog with a rhino?
    Or cross a snake and a hedgehog?
    1. Antimonium
      Antimonium 29 August 2019 13: 48
      +1
      Or cross a snake and a hedgehog?

      And get half a meter of barbed wire.
    2. Rabioso
      Rabioso 29 August 2019 14: 19
      +2
      You just forget that our gunsmiths have already crossed, and more than once, your bulldog with our headstock. For example, the twinks that India tried at one time were stuffed with our equipment. Everything can be integrated. It would be a desire and money
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 29 August 2019 15: 46
        +6
        Quote: Rabioso
        the twinkies that we tried in their time in India were stuffed with our equipment

        I also wanted to write about the Indian Migi.
        Quote: Rabioso
        You only forget

        They do not forget. It’s just the uriapatriots - the Khokhlyatsky twin brothers. Those at home are settling, ours are here.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 August 2019 13: 40
    +2
    Modernization is such a fertile field for cutting. The cost of such modernization under the article is comparable to a new aircraft!
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 29 August 2019 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Modernization is such a fertile field for cutting

      One question, is modernization a cutting field in all countries, including Russia, or only in NATO countries and Ukraine?
      1. bukhach
        bukhach 29 August 2019 16: 02
        +1
        Well, you, they only steal in Russia.
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 August 2019 13: 43
    +2
    And any country can be stupidly overcome these exterminated themselves. We take them for modernization, we do it, the Ukrainians do not pay anything natural and we take them for our debt.
    1. atalef
      atalef 29 August 2019 13: 57
      +5
      Quote: evgen1221
      And any country can be stupidly overcome these exterminated themselves. We take them for modernization, we do it, the Ukrainians do not pay anything natural and we take them for our debt.

      Israel needs a moment- 29?
      Fuck a horse button accordion?
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 29 August 2019 14: 45
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Israel needs a moment- 29?
        Fuck a horse button accordion?

        And another aspect: I can hardly imagine how the people destroyed in the past by the Nazis will modernize the equipment for the country, the soldiers of the armed forces and national battalions of which bear the SS symbolism and consider Bandera a national hero who spilled rivers of Jewish blood.
        I am inclined to believe that the news is fake and has no connection with reality, except Svidomo’s Wishlist. And if, nevertheless, the fact of military cooperation between Ukraine and Israel will take place, then I’ll write another comment on this. hi
        1. 210ox
          210ox 29 August 2019 15: 05
          +1
          Uh, colleague .. hi In Israel, this aspect can calmly close your eyes. However, it is quite possible that this is a fake.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 29 August 2019 15: 30
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            In Israel, this aspect can calmly close your eyes.

            I don’t think so. There Victory Day and veterans from the Soviet Union are very respected. Nazism is remembered. Rather, they will never be forgotten. If I'm wrong, then let my Israeli colleagues correct me.
            I think that things will not go beyond the wet dreams of the diggers of the Black Sea.
            1. bukhach
              bukhach 29 August 2019 16: 04
              0
              You forgot that money doesn't smell.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 29 August 2019 16: 31
                -2
                Quote: Buhach
                You forgot that money doesn't smell.

                Quote: Gregory_45
                as? For money.

                What will Netanyahu’s voters and opposition just then say? That he turned a blind eye to cooperation with the Nazis? What does he spit on the graves of prisoners of concentration camps? Etc. etc. There will be plenty of slogans. Plus slanting looks from underneath and a goat's face from a friend of Vladimir. Not the money to close your eyes to the smell.
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 30 August 2019 12: 39
              +3
              Quote: Polite Elk
              If I'm wrong, then let my Israeli colleagues correct me.

              You can only ADD
              On Monday, May 13, the Knesset will celebrate Victory Day over Nazi Germany in a special plenary session.
              According to the law on "Celebrating Victory Day over Nazi Germany" adopted by the Knesset in 2017, "Victory Day over Nazis in World War II will be officially celebrated in Israel on May 9 (but not May 8 as in Europe) at the state level as one of public holidays ".
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 29 August 2019 16: 05
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk
          I can hardly imagine how the people destroyed in the past by the Nazis will modernize the equipment for the country, the soldiers of the armed forces and national battalions of which bear the SS symbolism and consider Bandera a national hero who spilled rivers of Jewish blood.

          as? For money.
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 29 August 2019 13: 49
    0
    Laughter, laughter, and Elbit is one of the leaders of the Jewish defense industry and immigrants from the USSR are there! And they know what can and how to do it. The aiming container is surely attached. The main thing is that ukrovoyak did not have enough money for this ...
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Laughter, laughter, and Elbit is one of the leaders of the Jewish defense industry and immigrants from the USSR are there! And they know what can and how to do it. The aiming container is surely attached. The main thing is that ukrovoyak did not have enough money for this ...

      What can they do about engines and airframe? There is the main wear of the Ukrainian MiG-29s. If they climb there, then this is already a full-fledged production of the MiG-29 without a license and a run over to the RSK "Mig".
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 29 August 2019 14: 19
        0
        If you noticed then I did not mention them. Knowing our relations with Ukraine, they have no choice but to climb there without demand. hi
      2. Orakul2000
        Orakul2000 29 August 2019 18: 18
        +3
        Dear Vyacheslav,
        As a retired 3 of the year in the Israeli Air Force, I can answer you:
        About the engines and the airframe. This is not a problem at all. In the early 90s, Israel carried out a program called "Super Phantom" - they took an old man, a Vietnam veteran, a Phantom aircraft, strengthened and updated the glider where needed and supplied it with engines from the F-15, only new avionics. It turned out very cool - in terms of traction armament and in many other indicators it was superior to the F-18 A \ B. He was brought to the shows in Paris, where, seeing this, the Americans urgently called ours and persistently asked to curtail the project, as he strongly beat Hornet's marketing expediency. Well, our impotent people, as always, took it under their auspices, and turned off the cool program that could give our Air Force a smart multi-purpose aircraft. Then there was another program, the plane Kfir aka Mirage 5 nee, although the engine was not changed there, but only the airframe, cockpit canopy and avionics were updated and at the output they received a solid, budgetary fighter bomber for poor countries. Well, everyone has heard about the Lancer-MiG-21 program in Romania.
        With respect.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 30 August 2019 12: 46
          0
          And some official information
          "The Israeli aerospace industry has more than 60 companiesled by two major players, Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Rafael, which are complemented by several divisions of the leading electronic company Elbit Systems and bring together numerous highly qualified specialists in small and medium businesses. enterprises. The most visible sectors are all aspects of the modernization of aircraft of all types - combat, reconnaissance, transport and special operations - satellite and related services, as well as missiles.
          In the fighter sector, Israeli companies are proud to indicate their participation in the production and / or modernization of F-16, F-15, F-18, F-35, MIRAGE-2000, TYPHOON, KFIR, SU-30, MIG. -21 MIG-27 and MIG-29. among the others."
          https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/5547-isdef2019.html
    2. Rabioso
      Rabioso 29 August 2019 14: 21
      0
      We work not only in Elbit but also in Raphael
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 30 August 2019 13: 23
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      and immigrants from the USSR are there!

      To be exact, everyone was already retired.
  6. loki565
    loki565 29 August 2019 13: 51
    0
    Well, well, the Su25 Georgians have already been modernized, something that didn’t help them very much)))
    1. ultra
      ultra 30 August 2019 14: 23
      0
      "And a wild cry, and a dull groan
      Rushing into the depths of the valley!
      The battle did not last long,
      Timid Georgians fled. "M.Yu. Lermontov" The Demon ". hi
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 August 2019 13: 55
    +1
    The Israelis will make them F35 in "ukroinski" -planes will be categorized as "stealth", they will be simply scared to roll out of the hangars! !! ☆》 wassat
  8. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 29 August 2019 13: 58
    0
    So, stand, snuggle to the right ...
    And due to the fact that the light MiG-29 fighter is the main aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force

    Pay attention - the BASIC machine ...
    A little lower ...
    As Ukrainian media previously reported, in total Ukraine owns about 45 MiG-29 fighters in the MU and MU1 modifications.

    Pay attention again, but now two words ...
    CIRCA - I don’t understand something ... about 45 fighters - how much?
    And the second moment - 45 fighters. And is this the main car?
    E-May ... and I already believed the words of Poroshenko - that the Armed Forces of Ukraine "defend Europe" from the hordes of Russians ...
    Can someone explain - HOW having "about 45 machines" Poroshenko's soldiers oppose (in their own words) the Russian army?
    I’ll go drink, I feel that I can’t figure it out with a half liter.
    1. Rabioso
      Rabioso 29 August 2019 14: 23
      -1
      But you think that Syria can confront Israel, it’s enough just to sell them c300
      1. bukhach
        bukhach 29 August 2019 16: 09
        0
        No, if the Iskander were sold with the S-400, then they would be able to measure themselves against you.
      2. ultra
        ultra 30 August 2019 14: 25
        0
        Syria cannot, even if we sell it to them. Iran can. And especially Iran in Syria.
  9. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 29 August 2019 14: 02
    -1
    Dead end and key definition of illegitimacy of modernization. I do not think that the cunning of the cunning will get involved in this adventure, even for a lot of a lot of money.
  10. Piramidon
    Piramidon 29 August 2019 14: 03
    +3
    He claims that the upgraded fighters will receive fundamentally new capabilities and the latest weapons for air combat.

    I agree. Israel can supply them with a quality filling. But what about the filling carrier itself - the glider and the engines?
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    2. Orakul2000
      Orakul2000 29 August 2019 18: 20
      +1
      Dear Stepan,
      I repeat for you my answer, which I gave to your question to Vyacheslav, who is Nevsky.
      As a retired 3 of the year in the Israeli Air Force, I can answer you:
      About the engines and the airframe. This is not a problem at all. In the early 90s, Israel conducted a program called "Super Phantom" - they took an old man, a Vietnam veteran, a Phantom plane, strengthened and updated the glider where needed and supplied it with engines from the F-15, only new avionics .. It turned out very cool in terms of traction armament and many other indicators, it surpassed the F-18 A \ B. He was brought to the shows in Paris, where, seeing this, the Americans urgently called ours and persistently asked to curtail the project, as he strongly beat Hornet's marketing expediency. Well, our impotent men, as always, took it under their auspices, and curtailed a cool program that could give our Air Force a luxurious multi-purpose aircraft. Then there was another program, the plane Kfir aka Mirage 5 nee, although the engine was not changed there, but only the airframe, cockpit canopy and avionics were updated and at the output they received a solid, budget fighter bomber for poor countries. Well, everyone has heard about the Lancer-MiG-21 program in Romania.
      With respect.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 August 2019 21: 13
        0
        Boris, I’ve been dealing with Tu-27/95 for 142 years. I had to participate in the cutting of the Tu-95 for metal after they were written off. And then I saw what duralumin corrosion is. On the center section shells are eaten a few centimeters deep. Metal at hand crumbles into powder. Under normal conditions and even in conditions of average repair at the ARZ, this is impossible to see, there is simply no access. But this is the power part of the glider. This is where no modernization rolls. hi
        1. Orakul2000
          Orakul2000 29 August 2019 22: 09
          +1
          Stepan,
          That is, you want to say that if there is money and desire, the power part of the airframe cannot be restored by replacing panels and edges? I gave you examples of how we restored and modernized very old and very much flying (and we have a lot of airplanes fly) airplanes. Some, Kfira, are very much still in service and are constantly flying.
          https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]final match.
          https://news.yahoo.com/1980s-israel-developed-heavy-hammer-130000169.html
          With respect.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 29 August 2019 22: 21
            0
            The center section is the foundation of the aircraft. Everything else is attached to it. It’s easier to build a new one.
            1. Orakul2000
              Orakul2000 29 August 2019 22: 29
              +1
              But doesn’t it seem to you that if the news isn’t duck, and the indicated price of 40 mega bucks apiece, it’s more likely that they will choose the least flying of all 48 cars, or they will buy corps with minimal flying time somewhere in Asian countries, or maybe China will help .
  11. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 14: 17
    +2
    And yet, is painting the Ukrainian Air Force plane in a beautiful pixel, is it not a modernization? fellow
    1. NN52
      NN52 29 August 2019 14: 37
      +1
      $ 40 million painting ??? Wow, that’s cool! The guys do not do trifles ..) laughing
  12. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 14: 27
    +2
    the issue of modernization of 11 MiG-29 fighter aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces with the help of specialists from the Israeli company Elbit Systems is being studied. At the same time, according to the representative of the Moscow Region, the cost of upgrading each aircraft will be about $ 40 million. He claims that the upgraded fighters will receive fundamentally new capabilities and the latest weapons for air combat.

    The new Mig-35, in my opinion, costs about $ 40 million .. In addition, the youngest of the Ukrainian Mig-29s for 30 years. The glider itself is old, but the main problem there is in engines that have exhausted their resources. It was not for nothing that the same Poland sharply faced the question of replacing the Mig-29, although they found and bought engines for the Mig-29 from the same Romania, but during the flights the Polish MIGs began to fall steadily. Yes, the same last year when the Ukrainian one fell during the exercises Su-27 and killed Ukrainian and American pilots on board. They can upgrade, but such a machine may fall due to the resource. Although it will be cheaper than the Influenza at 150 million apiece, as Brazilians and pilots will not have to retrain for a new one technique.
    1. Antares
      Antares 29 August 2019 19: 43
      0
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Yes, the same last year’s case when the Ukrainian Su-27 crashed during the exercises and the Ukrainian and American pilots on board died. They can upgrade, but such a machine may fall due to the resource

      American's mistake led to disaster, when piloting the Ukrainian tragedy did not occur. Apparently in vain they gave the American to steer.
      There was no fault of the plane as well as the filling.
  13. kind
    kind 29 August 2019 14: 32
    0
    Well done Jews! Who is next in line to breed the outskirts? !!
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 August 2019 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: Good
      Well done Jews! Who is next in line to breed the outskirts? !!

      For all my dislike of Israel, it should be noted that they are fulfilling their agreements. Whom have they divorced?
      1. kind
        kind 29 August 2019 17: 37
        -1
        For all my dislike of Israel, it should be noted that they are fulfilling their agreements. Whom have they divorced?

        To execute that they execute, only how ??? Equip pendants for Israeli bombs and missiles? Then to sell these same Israeli bombs and missiles to Ukraine, but more expensive than modernization itself. Almost like a Gilet - a shaving machine is inexpensive, and cassettes are exorbitant. This is a divorce!
  14. aries2200
    aries2200 29 August 2019 14: 54
    0
    rename the padded jacket heritage and all !!!!!
  15. Aliken
    Aliken 29 August 2019 14: 59
    -3
    Considering that Russian fighters are on the balance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, can it be argued that Russian "mercenaries" are serving in the Ukrainian army?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 15: 05
      +1
      95 quarter?
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 29 August 2019 17: 07
      0
      You can’t say so :: they did not sign the contract! lol
  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 August 2019 15: 27
    0
    since the total amount of 440 million, necessary for the modernization of all aircraft, is absolutely unbearable for the Ukrainian budget.
    Trump for what? Today I froze, tomorrow the thaw. And sho they did not rot, because time was. feel
  17. midshipman
    midshipman 29 August 2019 15: 47
    +2
    In the early 90s, I had to participate in a meeting on the possibility of modernizing all the radio equipment of MiG-21 aircraft for African countries. There were more than 1 thousand units in all countries. Israel won this contest. And I met our former specialists at this meeting. They then left for Israel and began to work there.
    Therefore, I can say that the Israelis will cope with this task of Ukrainians. But in vain, the fighters of the People's Republics and then we will have to destroy these aircraft
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 August 2019 16: 03
    0
    With the launch of the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream, it will be more interesting to look at events in Ukraine.
  19. Kramb
    Kramb 29 August 2019 16: 54
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    The situation with the Air Force of the Armed Forces is serious. The entire infrastructure of airfields, repair plants, fuel standards and consumables has remained from the time of the USSR, so the use of used equipment from Western Europe, the USA, and Canada is not yet possible. On the other hand, the severe deterioration of the aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces leads to the inevitable search for a compromise - either modernization to modern world standards or its own design and manufacture. Both are possible. First, a trial upgrade with the help of Israeli specialists, then the development of its unlicensed Ukrainian versions based on the Mig-29 and Su-27. The second option is possible due to pressure from China, which wants to get its version of a modern aircraft engine and can finance the development of engines for its versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27. As for the fact that there is no documentation for the first generation SU-27 and Mig-29 in Ukraine, you are mistaken, it is.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 17: 19
      +1
      then development on the basis of Mig-29 and Su-27 of its unlicensed Ukrainian versions.

      Who will develop it? Antonov, who never designed fighter jets and even purchased UAVs from Turkey to acquire competencies in the production of their UAVs?
      The second option is possible due to pressure from China, which wants to get its version of a modern aircraft engine and can finance the development of engines for its versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27.

      China already has modern versions of engines, not only for its versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27, but even for the J-20 (5th generation fighter). Motor Sich never made engines for fighter jets (let’s not consider AI-222-25 for the combat training Yak-130), China has more experience and competencies. Why should China finance the development of what it already has?
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 August 2019 17: 23
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    Does Israel have permission from MiG and related documentation? But what about the penalties for such arrogance?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 17: 49
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      Yes, what kind of permissions are there? Everyone does everything he wants and does not take a steam bath. And we need to remodel the An-124 a bit with the NK-23D engine and not bathe. There will be our own original heavy transport.
  21. Kramb
    Kramb 29 August 2019 17: 28
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    then development on the basis of Mig-29 and Su-27 of its unlicensed Ukrainian versions.
    Who will develop it? Antonov, who never designed fighter jets and even purchased UAVs from Turkey to acquire competencies in the production of their UAVs?

    Do you know who oversaw and participated in the design of the Chinese versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27? Just KB Antonov and participated ...
    And about their versions of Chinese engines ... why are they still buying them from Russia? Maybe because they could not release their versions with decent characteristics.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 17: 46
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      Do you know who oversaw and participated in the design of the Chinese versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27? Just KB Antonov and participated ...

      Maybe Antonov designed all the Chinese drones and J-20 in addition? It’s strange that they buy UAVs from Turkey, but they allegedly design the Mig-29 and Su-27. China bought the Su-30MKK from Russia and then copied it, as it copies a lot of other things , the same S-400 SAM.
  22. Kontrik
    Kontrik 29 August 2019 17: 49
    -2
    Let Israel go into the vegetable garden with cabbage ... I won’t be surprised if they Zelensky then put in a pair of F-35, in exchange for land with the right to export black soil .. There was nothing more valuable on the outskirts, after Valtsman and Kolomoisky ..))))
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 18: 09
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      He runs to the catcher and the beast. The fisherman sees the fisherman from afar (this is about Zelensky, Kolomoisky and Israeli contractors modernizing the Ukrainian Mig-29).
      .I would not be surprised if they would later slip Zelensky on a pair of F-35, in exchange for land with the right to export black soil ..

      Moreover, a couple of F-35s will be given on credit at mega percent, they will not repay the loan, and they will take black soil as payment for the loan and interest on the loan, and even take F-35s back, because they will not give back the loan.
    2. Dmitry Vinner
      Dmitry Vinner 29 August 2019 18: 30
      +1
      How shallow. Israel on stones and without a drop of rain, from May to November, feeds its nine millionth population and send vegetables to Mother Russia. Yes, Israeli agricultural technology plus Ukrainian black soil, and the whole world will be fed at a bargain price and with good profits for both countries. And you are the F-35. You can conquer the world without weapons.
  23. Kramb
    Kramb 29 August 2019 18: 00
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Do you know who oversaw and participated in the design of the Chinese versions of the Mig-29 and Su-27? Just KB Antonov and participated ...

    Maybe Antonov designed all the Chinese drones and the J-20 in addition?

    This information is confidential. Not officially.
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter

    It is strange that UAVs themselves are purchasing from Turkey, and for China they are allegedly designing Mig-29 and Su-27.
    China purchased Su-30MKK from Russia and then copied, as it copies a lot of other things, the same S-400 air defense systems.

    As for the drones ... they are needed now and a lot ... here they were bought ... there are some of them in single prototype copies ...
    And if you think that China copied and launched the Su-30MKK and S-400 air defense systems without the help of Russia and without its approval ... then what to talk about with you ...
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 18: 29
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      What can I talk about if Antonov, who cannot design the An-178 without jambs, suddenly, according to your words, participates in the design of Chinese drones and the J-20, despite the fact that it has primitive UAVs in its country and only as prototypes ?
  24. Kramb
    Kramb 29 August 2019 18: 03
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Does Israel have permission from MiG and related documentation? But what about the penalties for such arrogance?

    Those. Russia without the permission of Antonov Ruslana’s Design Bureau Anl 124 can pirate upgrade ... But what about the penalties for this?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 29 August 2019 18: 37
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      Pirate? The An-124 data is the property of the Russian Federation and the fact that it was once designed in the Antonov Design Bureau does not mean anything, you do what you want with your Mig-29s, and Mig doesn’t show anything for it.
  25. Kramb
    Kramb 29 August 2019 18: 48
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    What to talk about with you if you have Antonov, who cannot design the An-178 without jambs

    Do you think your IL-112 is without the same jambs and is ideally designed without childhood diseases? Oh laughed at.
  26. Kontrik
    Kontrik 29 August 2019 19: 08
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    Quote: Dmitry Winner
    feeds its nine millionth population and send vegetables to Mother Russia. Yes, Israeli agricultural technology plus Ukrainian black soil, and the whole world will be fed

    I ate this Jewish cortoha and other legs .. Paul poisoned with chemistry .. About feeding the world, Russia goes to strategic space (thanks to sanctions) Grain filled up the world, well, almost meat .. Enough to eat kenguryatina and buffalo .. And vegetables , the fruit finally a real smell appeared, and not this rubber taste and bright color, as in the 90s ..
    Eat yourself, your "products" on chemical water in greenhouses .. negative
    And we will still fight for the Outskirts, it’s still our interests and your Israel is in vain
  27. Tuzik
    Tuzik 29 August 2019 21: 09
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    40 Lyamov, it's almost the price of a new instant or Saab
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 29 August 2019 21: 25
    +1
    At the moment, the country’s weakest place is still finances, not torn technological chains with Russia. Until they take up the economy, talking about some serious projects in the defense industry is ridiculous. The Air Force is already the next level, as in the game ..... ...................
  29. garik77
    garik77 30 August 2019 01: 16
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    A good idea. 440 lyam greens will go to the Jews, and the Ukrainians received the completely drowned remnants of their Air Force
  30. sergey Mikula
    sergey Mikula 30 August 2019 08: 15
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    - How do you like the boots?
    - Very defiant, I would not have taken such.
    - So, good boots, we must take.
  31. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 August 2019 09: 05
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    In fact, for $ 40 million you can buy a new, not the worst fighter. For that kind of money, India bought a Su-30. So this is a heavy fighter. The case smacks of cut again ...
  32. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 30 August 2019 13: 39
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    Quote: 210ox
    However, it is quite possible that this is a fake.

    "Ukrainian military blogger Diana Mikhailova writes about this with reference to a statement by a representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, made at conditions of anonymity. "
    This is a translation of the article.
    Ukraine intends to upgrade its MiG-29 with the help of Israel
    https://weaponews.com/news/65354201-ukraine-intends-to-upgrade-its-mig-29-with-the-help-of-israel.html
    No more posts.
    Probably, this is a very "serious" representative who made such a statement in intimate anonymous conditions. laughing
  33. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 30 August 2019 14: 39
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    When will Ukraine already switch to used Western equipment?

    When the United States gives the green light to supply and retrain pilots and ground personnel, at its own expense. And so the Ukrainians are not the first time talking about their readiness to transfer to the F-16, and they are very much looking at the A-10

    They can prepare for anything and look at any planes they like, however, even the USA does not distribute used and decommissioned scrap metal for free, but makes excellent money on it. And even if Ukraine suddenly gets money from somewhere, the word "absolutely" does not shine for them to scratch out such a class of equipment from the States. They are already dreaming about the delivery of "Tucano" on account of "military aid", but even then they suddenly flew from where they did not expect - Trump, chosen by Russia, is freezing military aid.
  34. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 30 August 2019 14: 45
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    Quote: hydrox
    Last week it was reported that Ukraine was going to buy cheap piston attack aircraft from Brazil, I don’t know what years of production ...

    Not pistons, but quite a turboprop. There is nothing terrible in them. The same Tucano and, converted from agricultural, "Tractors" are fully used by the anti-narcotics agency and ATF. The transition from full-fledged attack aircraft to light attack aircraft designed to chase the Papuans, which they do not really cope with, is simply delightful in itself.
  35. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 30 August 2019 14: 47
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Pedrodepackes
    if the amount is unbearable,

    Is not a fact. It can be "borrowed" from the USA too ...

    And who will give it to them, given that the military assistance program is being frozen?
  36. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 30 August 2019 14: 55
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    Quote: Orakul2000
    Dear Vyacheslav,
    As a retired 3 of the year in the Israeli Air Force, I can answer you:
    About the engines and the airframe. This is not a problem at all. In the early 90s, Israel carried out a program called "Super Phantom" - they took an old man, a Vietnam veteran, a Phantom aircraft, strengthened and updated the glider where needed and supplied it with engines from the F-15, only new avionics. It turned out very cool - in terms of traction armament and in many other indicators it was superior to the F-18 A \ B. He was brought to the shows in Paris, where, seeing this, the Americans urgently called ours and persistently asked to curtail the project, as he strongly beat Hornet's marketing expediency. Well, our impotent people, as always, took it under their auspices, and turned off the cool program that could give our Air Force a smart multi-purpose aircraft. Then there was another program, the plane Kfir aka Mirage 5 nee, although the engine was not changed there, but only the airframe, cockpit canopy and avionics were updated and at the output they received a solid, budgetary fighter bomber for poor countries. Well, everyone has heard about the Lancer-MiG-21 program in Romania.
    With respect.

    Well, that’s how they modernized the F-4 program, and they took it home for economic reasons. You can’t earn much on modernization of the old ones.
  37. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 30 August 2019 15: 08
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Data An-124 property of the Russian Federation

    This does not give the right to modernization and even to overhaul with extension of the operating life. Otherwise, they will not receive a type certificate.
    If you want to enlighten, then study the epic with the modernization of the An-2.
  38. DPN
    DPN 30 August 2019 21: 30
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    And to hell with them, if only they could not fly over our border. Once again, many thanks to those tagged with the drunk for good neighborly relations between the former republics.