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Designer Su-57 confirmed the regular mode of unusual landing of a fighter

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On the sidelines of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS, the staffing of the unusual landing mode of the fifth-generation multifunctional fighter was confirmed. This was stated by the director of the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Chief Designer of Su-57 Mikhail Strelets.




The Russian International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2019 once again brings fresh information about the latest aircraft industry. So, the designer of the Su-57 Mikhail Strelets, in communication with reporters, explained the reasons for the unusual landing of the Su-57 with released brake parachutes.

The release of the brake parachute allows for a short landing area. This is the standard mode, in which the Su-57 can sit on a shortened or destroyed lane.

- Sagittarius explained in a video published by airline journalist Alexander Yaskevich (belenkur).

According to the designer, the parachute is released at an altitude of 2-3 meters.

Knowledgeable people immediately understood everything.

- Mikhail Strelets noted with irony, discussing the numerous comments of this landing: in them, users of social networks expressed opinions that the landing turned out to be contingent.



The non-standard landing of the Su-57 was recorded at the airfield in Zhukovsky two days earlier. Its peculiarity was that the plane did not release the parachute when the landing gear did not touch the surface, but a few meters above the ground.

Custom full-time


Instructor pilot Andrei Krasnoperov, commenting on the plane’s landing for the Vzglyad newspaper, noted that such a landing was prohibited according to the instructions — the fighter had to touch the runway with the first wheel and have a stable mileage. Krasnoperov suggested that a test pilot was most likely at the helm - and pilots of this class are usually allowed more than ordinary pilots.

At the MAX-2019, the Su-57 was first introduced to the general public in a static parking lot. In addition, an export version of the Russian multi-functional fighter was presented.

In particular, Ankara showed interest in the car. Turkish President Rajep Erdogan, together with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, inspected the plane, after which the head of the Turkish Republic asked if it would be possible to buy a plane.



In addition to the interest in buying the Su-57 and Su-35, Turkey is considering a possible joint development of a fifth-generation fighter based on the Turkish concept aircraft TF-X.
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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 29 August 2019 12: 11
    +14
    . Krasnoperov suggested that the test pilot was most likely at the helm - and pilots of this class are usually allowed more than ordinary pilots.

    Yes, and who else could sit there? request
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 29 August 2019 12: 25
      +11
      Yes, and who else could sit there?

      Erdagan, it was not for nothing that he rubbed near the dry laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 August 2019 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Ka-52
        Erdagan, it was not for nothing that he rubbed near the dry

        Our urchin everywhere ripe laughing
      2. Voyager
        Voyager 29 August 2019 23: 35
        +5
        Su-57E - Erdogan))

        I saw a car at MAX today. Live looks even less squat, especially against the background of previous generation dryers. But on statics, the presidents were shown a non-flying instance)
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 30 August 2019 06: 18
          0
          Plus for E-Erdogan!
  2. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 29 August 2019 12: 15
    +1
    All the same, a beautiful car. Let the Turks buy, even if they are allowed to use the F35. These machines can complement each other well.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 29 August 2019 12: 30
      +22
      Quote: Herman 4223
      These machines can complement each other well.

      Definitely. Like a bull complements a cow. wassat
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 29 August 2019 14: 27
        +3
        These machines can complement each other well.
        Definitely. Like a bull complements a cow.
        Rather, the F-35 will organically complement our Su-57 while in the crosshairs of the last sight.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 August 2019 12: 24
    +15
    Well, and taking into account the fact that more and more often we land military aircraft landing on an ordinary highway, this landing in life can greatly help the pilot in an emergency!
  4. HAM
    HAM 29 August 2019 12: 27
    +9
    Oh, and "experts of the pen and screaming" love to make a tragedy with a sensation out of nothing .... victims of the exam ...
    they’ll also sing about a flat corkscrew that this cannot happen in principle ... well, they know better ..
  5. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 29 August 2019 12: 43
    +9
    This is the normal mode ...- Sagittarius explained

    still he is cunning. Regular - this is what is prescribed in the RLE and what they use every time. On most types of aircraft, the runway first touches the main landing gear, then the parachute is released.

    The release of a parachute in the air is allowed, but the standard landing mode is not. The release of the parachute in the air did not find mass application because of the complexity and specificity of aerobatics, and was used mainly either on specialized high-speed aircraft, or under certain circumstances.
    1. NN52
      NN52 29 August 2019 13: 13
      +15
      He does not dissemble, but responds to those who began to assert everywhere that this is an emergency situation and that the TP came out on its own (involuntarily) and everything disappeared ...
      Something like this.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 August 2019 13: 51
      +11
      Quote: Gregory_45
      still he is cunning. Regular - this is what is prescribed in the RLE and what they use every time. On most types of aircraft, the runway first touches the main landing gear, then the parachute is released.

      Everything is done when it is done for the first time, and then it is put into service. Once the "dead loop" was really dead, and the "corkscrew" was an abnormal situation, but now these are ordinary VP figures. "Cobra Pugacheva" has already entered the training program. That is why there are test pilots on the basis of whose developments, everything abnormal becomes common. hi
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 29 August 2019 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: Piramidon
        Everything is done for the first time.

        the release of a parachute in the air is neither a novelty nor a know-how. At one time there was a practice of using a special braking parachute in the air, before the landing gear wheels touch the runway - the so-called "approach parachute". For example, the American B-47 Stratojet bomber had two brake parachutes - a small (approach) and a large (main, landing)

        However, as already mentioned above, such a parachute was not widely used because of the complexity and specificity of aerobatics with it. This practice (releasing a parachute before the landing gear touches the runway) is used only in special cases.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 August 2019 14: 10
          +3
          Quote: Gregory_45
          This practice (releasing a parachute before the landing gear touches the runway) is used only in special cases.

          This, perhaps, will now be practiced (as I understand it) as another exercise for everyday implementation.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 29 August 2019 14: 13
            +2
            Quote: Piramidon
            for everyday implementation

            tell me, what the hell? What do we have, the runways suddenly suddenly decreased in length? No, I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but why use it everyday?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 29 August 2019 14: 19
              +4
              Quote: Gregory_45
              Quote: Piramidon
              for everyday implementation

              tell me, what the hell? What do we have, the runways suddenly suddenly decreased in length? No, I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but why use it everyday?

              Don't you think that the runways of all regular airfields are already at gunpoint and, in the event of the arrival of a polar fur-bearing animal, will be broken in the first place? Or are you, Grigory, so much a pacifist that you still believe in the universal "peace-friendship-chewing gum"?
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 29 August 2019 14: 32
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                and will be, in the case of the arrival of the polar furry animals, gouged in the first place?

                will be. But, in my opinion, he wrote in black in Russian,
                Quote: Gregory_45
                I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but everyday use then why?

                is not it?
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 29 August 2019 14: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  will be. But, in my opinion, he wrote in black in Russian,
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but why use everyday?

                  is not it?

                  Well, without training, how? Or just as you have to?
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 30 August 2019 17: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  and will be, in the case of the arrival of the polar furry animals, gouged in the first place?

                  will be. But, in my opinion, he wrote in black in Russian,
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but everyday use then why?

                  is not it?

                  Well, maybe I didn’t put it very clearly. Meant a regular exercise. hi
            2. bk316
              bk316 30 August 2019 21: 29
              -1
              tell me, what the hell?

              And what for train landing on the highway?
              We have that, the runways suddenly suddenly decreased by length quantity?
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 30 August 2019 23: 21
                +1
                Quote: bk316
                And what for train landing on the highway?

                Do you suffer from carelessness and lack of understanding?
                Quote: Gregory_45
                я I understand that you need to learn how to get out of emergency situations, but why use everyday?
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 29 August 2019 15: 05
      +2
      The word "calculated" should be used. That is, the mode was calculated and recommended for emergency situations.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 August 2019 20: 19
        0
        Or maybe it’s training for the possibility of landing on an aircraft carrier, so that the brake cable is not used there.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 31 August 2019 10: 14
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Or maybe this is a training for the possibility of landing on an aircraft carrier

          not on your nelly. Not a single sane pilot will do this. Firstly, the parachute does not guarantee that it will stop after the run of so many meters, and the deck of an aircraft carrier is a limited thing, and rolling out of it would ruin the plane. Secondly, the glide path of descent when landing on deck is much steeper, the pole - there are turbulent flows from the ship's structures. Landing with the release of a parachute in the air is not easy anyway, and here the above-described "sweets" are also added. Thirdly, when landing on an aircraft carrier in a regular way, with the help of a finisher, if the pilot missed and did not hook the cable, he has the opportunity to go around - the plane is landed with the engines set to maximum or even afterburner. If the plane released the parachute, and for some reason did not stop on the deck, then there is no longer an opportunity to go around - the kinetic energy is lost. This is a completely ditched plane and the pilot after the bailout (if he has time to do it)
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 31 August 2019 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        The word "calculated" should be used

        or valid. In such and such conditions. So it will be correct and correspond to the status of the Chief Designer.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        That is, the mode was designed and recommended for emergency situations.

        let's say for non-everyday use. Such a landing is also not emergency, it is quite acceptable (for pilots of the appropriate qualification) in certain situations, but it’s incorrect to call it regular
  6. georggy
    georggy 29 August 2019 12: 48
    0
    On the sidelines of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS, the staffing of the unusual landing mode of the fifth-generation multifunctional fighter was confirmed. This was stated by the director of the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Chief Designer of Su-57 Mikhail Strelets.

    Now the rescue of the domestic aircraft industry, the reputation of Sukhoi Superjet 100, the production of the MS-21 is assigned to Anatoly Serdyukov, who was approved in May as chairman of the board of directors of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). Former Secretary of Defense, dismissed in 2012 after investigations about fraud and accused of negligence, now leads the aircraft industry. According to some experts, this appointment, which followed shortly after the Superjet disaster at Sheremetyevo, indicates that a “cleaner” was appointed to the position, who will make serious staffing and organizational decisions. Whether they will put civil aviation “on the wing” is a big question, but reorganization decisions will be definitely made.
    1. loki565
      loki565 29 August 2019 13: 28
      +13
      And what will they be engaged in training pilots? Sukhoi Superjet 100 is not to blame for being unprepared crew twice
  7. bars1
    bars1 29 August 2019 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Gregory_45
    The release of the parachute in the air did not find mass application because of the complexity and specificity of aerobatics, and was used mainly either on specialized high-speed aircraft, or under certain circumstances.

    One can argue that these were planes of the past ...
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 13: 07
      +2
      Quote: bars1
      One can argue that these were planes of the past ...

      stupid objection. Are current aircraft no longer subject to the laws of aerodynamics?

      Parachute release in air was allowed on the MiG-25 (on it it could generally be released automatically, moments before the landing gear was touched), or it was released in the air when landing on a short runway. Which again is not full-time. Regularly planted with minimal risk of damage to it.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 29 August 2019 13: 31
        +3
        In principle, you are right. But since the Chief himself speaks of the inherent (and realized!) Possibility of such a maneuver, then in the RLE there may well be a corresponding section. And this is most likely so - justification - the words of the Chief in which cases it is planned to apply. Of course, the question of whether combatant pilots will be trained without fail or whether the maneuver is fully automated remains open.
  8. certero
    certero 29 August 2019 13: 43
    +5
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Which again is not full-time.

    Amazing The aircraft designer himself said that such a landing is a standard one, but you know better ...
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 14: 07
      -1
      Quote: certero
      The airplane designer himself said

      and the designer is not a man, and always speaks only undeniable truths? Have you ever criticized the statements of pundits?

      Do you understand the meaning of the word "staff"?
      Regular - this means standard, ordinary. Those. now everyone will land with the release of a parachute in the air, and this will be considered normal, even if it poses a risk to the car? And the release of the parachute is already in the strip - not normal?
      1. DmitrijT
        DmitrijT 29 August 2019 22: 54
        +2
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Regular - this means standard, ordinary.

        And if you carefully read the quote:
        This is the normal mode in which the Su-57 may sit on a shortened or destroyed lane.
        and as a result, there is no guile, if it is necessary to land on a shortened lane, everything happens in a regular (standard, normal) mode, and not in an emergency mode, drawing an analogy to the pilot there is no need to "break the glass and pull the stop valve" lol
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 August 2019 22: 59
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_45
        and the designer is not a man, and always speaks only undeniable truths? Have you ever criticized the statements of pundits?

        The designer CREATED THIS MACHINE, and did not observe the creation from the side. You understand the difference, no? And then the pundits? He knows what is inherent in his brainchild. And since he says that this is a NORMAL situation, then it is so, without but and if. Che suck out stupidity from a finger then?
        Moreover, I am more than sure that this will be a regular situation for both the fighter and the BUILDING pilots in the future, and not just for the testers.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 August 2019 08: 26
          -2
          Quote: NEXUS
          I am more than sure that this is a regular situation for both the fighter and the BUILDING pilots in the future

          Why perform risky feints, if the length of the runway allows you to land the car in a "normal" way? You are ready to justify everything that the pundits say (who recently sometimes such blunders admit that you are amazed) without even delving into the essence.
        2. Errr
          Errr 30 August 2019 08: 51
          0
          Here, apparently, the point is that the Su-57 has a brake parachute container located in the upper part of the fuselage. If it were from below (the middle position of the container on this aircraft is impossible due to the location of the rear radar at this place), then when the parachute was released before the wheels touch the strip, the aircraft could well "nod off."
      3. bk316
        bk316 30 August 2019 21: 33
        -1
        Have you ever criticized the statements of pundits?

        THIS is the moment of truth.
        To criticize pundits, you yourself must be a pundit, otherwise you are just an irresponsible balabol, a wiki victim. And now the question is, are you an aircraft designer or a balabol?
        .
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 August 2019 23: 35
          -1
          Designer, though not air. But I also belong to the military-industrial complex. I have the highest technical and considerable experience. I am interested not only in specialized topics, but in weapons as well. And they constructively, reasonably criticize, and do not engage in criticism. So, judging by your comments, balabol is here you
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 29 August 2019 14: 11
      -1
      And I agree with Gregory .. in those words it is cunning ..
      It’s like rolling out a new car, braking with a hand brake, and saying that everything went smoothly .. And it seems to be really regular .. but it’s unlikely that they will constantly slow down like that ..
      So it is with an airplane .. it’s not even clear for a specialist that such a maneuver is more risky than .. than a regular one ..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 August 2019 23: 01
        +5
        Quote: Roman070280
        And I agree with Gregory .. in those words it is cunning ..

        Seriously? And the meaning of him is to dissemble about his brainchild? Man created a fighter, and probably understands what his creation can and what does not. Or do you see a catch and understatement in everything? So this is not here, this is to the doctor.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 August 2019 08: 32
          -3
          Quote: NEXUS
          what its creation can and what not

          You have replaced the topic of discussion, and are trying to argue. This is not about the capabilities of the machine, but about the regular modes. I have already given an example: the car engine can be started both with a starter and with a tug. You can brake by pressing the pedal, or you can use a handbrake or engine. Which mode is regular and which is acceptable? Is the analogy clear? I don’t think that you start a car from a tug every day, and use a handbrake to stop in front of a traffic light.
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 30 August 2019 09: 07
          -4
          probably understands what his creation can and what not

          Nobody says that an airplane cannot do this ..
          As no one disputes that the car does not brake with a hand brake ..
          But how much this is regular ... this is the question .. And how much safer is it to brake not in the air, but on the ground .. this is not a question at all ..
          I personally don’t see a catch here .. just cunning ..
          Returning for the third time to the hand brake .. if I suddenly brake for some reason .. I have every right to declare that everything went smoothly ..
          Although this is not regular braking .. If this example is not clear again, then this is not for me .. this is a doctor ..
        3. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 August 2019 10: 27
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          And the meaning is to dissemble him

          advertising - trade engine (s)
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 30 August 2019 10: 30
            -1
            Quote: Gregory_45
            advertising - trade engine (s)

            And the half-floor designer got a job as an advertiser. Well yes. fellow
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 30 August 2019 10: 35
              0
              and the military, and the designer, and the pilots with their statements create the image of the apparatus. Why is GG not supposed to be interested in a positive image of his brainchild (i.e., positive advertising about him)? You watch the programs, read the articles - everyone involved
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 30 August 2019 10: 39
                0
                Quote: Gregory_45
                and the military, and the designer, and the pilots with their statements create the image of the apparatus. Why is GG not supposed to be interested in a positive image of his brainchild (i.e., positive advertising about him)? You watch the programs, read the articles - everyone involved

                My father said so, a good thing does not need advertising. Buyers of weapons are not stupid and understand everything, because they pay a lot of money for contracts. And the SU-57 designer voiced one of the skills of his creation. Why? Because there was a wave of opinions of all experts who are beginning to prove in every way that this is all advertising and that this landing cannot be regular, because it cannot be a priori full-time.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 30 August 2019 10: 58
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  a good thing does not need advertising

                  any thing needs advertising. Otherwise, how do you know that a thing is really good? Advertising may not be explicit (not specifically organized by the seller) - for example, a neighbor recommended, heard from someone somewhere, and so on. Anyway, you get some kind of feedback about the thing, and on their basis you make a decision: do you need it or not, is it good or a dinosaur threshing floor.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  which in every way begin to prove that this is all advertising and that this landing cannot be regular, because it cannot be a priori full-time

                  they brought you arguments. If they are not an argument for you, then you are one of those who a priori cannot prove that white is white, black is black, sugar is sweet, and salt is salty. hi
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 30 August 2019 11: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    they brought you arguments. If they are not an argument for you, then you are one of those who a priori cannot prove that white is white, black is black, sugar is sweet, and salt is salty.

                    Dear, and you will not try to look at yourself in the light of your thoughtful conclusion? The general designer tells you that this is a standard situation for this platform, and you bring some kind of arguments. At the same time, in order not to look ridiculous, talk about the fact that advertising is the engine of commerce, since you have no stupid other arguments blocking the words of the constructor.
                    But you don’t recognize either your empty words, because everything that you wrote before will turn into an empty senseless chatter.
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 30 August 2019 11: 10
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      since you stupidly have no other arguments that overlap the words of the constructor.

                      or you just didn’t notice them. Reread comments carefully so as not to be repeated especially for you.

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      empty pointless chatter

                      here it is appropriate for you to look in the mirror. I haven’t heard a single argument from you, only one statement: "If he said, then it is so. We will take it on faith. And those who doubt - to the stake." It reminds me of something. Don't you?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 30 August 2019 11: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        here it is appropriate for you to look in the mirror. I haven’t heard a single argument from you, only one statement: "If he said, then it is so. We will take it on faith. And those who doubt - to the stake." It reminds me of something. Don't you?

                        You have to take it on faith, since it’s not you, not me, whoever was on VO who doesn’t know the REAL capabilities of SU-57. You talk about the platform without knowing anything about it, except what the magazine says here. But you believe them, but not the designer.
                        At the expense of my arguments ... but tell me the main performance characteristics of SU-57. I’m asking not about journalistic versions, but about real TTX.
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 30 August 2019 11: 20
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        and tell me the main performance characteristics of the SU-57

                        we are not talking about performance characteristics. Or are you again doing your best to replace the topic of debate?

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        REAL capabilities of the SU-57

                        And again you are not talking about that. We are not talking about opportunities, but about which modes are standard, which ones are not (permissible, possible, etc.). It seems that you still do not understand what was discussed at all. So that the dialogue does not resemble a conversation between the deaf and dumb, take the trouble to first understand the essence of the discussion.
  9. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Herman 4223
    All the same, a beautiful car. Let the Turks buy, even if they are allowed to use the F35. These machines can complement each other well.

    Yeah, a set of penguins and a set of dryers and everything, everything is ready for an air battle
  10. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 29 August 2019 14: 12
    +8
    The release of TP was made to demonstrate the capabilities. Of course, in the cockpit is a test pilot. But who knows, maybe the GLICE is working out the possibility of such a landing and the results will be entered into the RLE. I think the Civil Code is not disingenuous, the level is not Internet thinkers.
  11. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 13
    0
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Quote: Herman 4223
    These machines can complement each other well.

    Definitely. Like a bull complements a cow. wassat

    In the classic version - "sheep"
  12. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 21
    0
    Quote: Gregory_45
    This is the normal mode ...- Sagittarius explained

    still he is cunning. Regular - this is what is prescribed in the RLE and what they use every time. On most types of aircraft, the runway first touches the main landing gear, then the parachute is released.

    The release of a parachute in the air is allowed, but the standard landing mode is not. The release of the parachute in the air did not find mass application because of the complexity and specificity of aerobatics, and was used mainly either on specialized high-speed aircraft, or under certain circumstances.

    There is no such book "Flight Manual for Most Airplanes", there is a book "Flight Manual for XUZ-123М3Б1АБВ"
    About all RLEs are different.
    RLE Su-57 is grinned, so what is written there you will not tell us. Therefore, tell us your conjectures on this topic.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 14: 56
      -4
      Quote: E.S.
      There is no such book "RLE for most aircraft"

      and I said that there is? Or are you just reading crookedly so that there’s something to get your comment about?

      Quote: E.S.
      Therefore, tell us your conjectures on this topic.

      not speculation, but thoughts. Landing with the release of a parachute in the air has never been a regular one. It seems that you also do not understand (or pretend that you do not understand) the meaning of the term regular. The car can be started from the tug, which does not mean that this method of starting the engine is standard. Or do you start cars every time? He (method) is allowable. That is exactly what the Civil Code should have correctly said
  13. Kelwin
    Kelwin 29 August 2019 14: 39
    +2
    Where the world is heading, tomorrow the Civil Code will convince network bots that everything is fine - there would be no way to send it to the garden ... well, well, the blogosphere))
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 29 August 2019 16: 45
      +2
      Yes, they will not convince anyone. He just grins in the style of Lavrov.
      Another example is the gigantic gap between real affairs in a real country and the spherical world in the vacuum of Internet fighters with the regime.
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  14. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 41
    +3
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: bars1
    One can argue that these were planes of the past ...

    stupid objection. Are current aircraft no longer subject to the laws of aerodynamics?

    Parachute release in air was allowed on the MiG-25 (on it it could generally be released automatically, moments before the landing gear was touched), or it was released in the air when landing on a short runway. Which again is not full-time. Regularly planted with minimal risk of damage to it.

    That’s how it happens, like intelligent people, watching, but they don’t say what they see. And we see this:
    When the crowd is not just "people", but "worse than the people" - the masses of specialized specialists from all over the world, the plane makes a focus. There is no need for a cltor other than showing the focus itself to a crowd of specialists. The plane before a show of this kind is checked and maintained with such care that it is simply the height of incompetence to expect a refusal due to the fault of technology.
    Samal makes "Oops!"
    Specialists see that
    - the design calmly transfers such tricks in the normal mode with a view of strength
    - apparently the main thing: the control system copes with the parry of the arising transverse disturbing moments. And that is why for other letadles, a parachute is released only after crimping the struts, because while the struts are not in stripes - a little asymmetry went beyond ideal conditions - and that's all, the papelac flew past the strip - The speed is small, the efficiency of the aerodynamic rudders is minimal, and even the keel will shade.
    1. E.S.
      E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 56
      +1
      A separate cherry on the cake is that there are two parachutes - they give a noticeably greater disturbing moment than one. But the management system copes with this perfectly.
      It’s very strange and incomprehensible to think that the trick was done manually, knowing that during the Glory of the CPSU already on the MiG-25, automation did it
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 29 August 2019 15: 03
        +1
        Quote: E.S.
        on the MiG-25 it did automation

        there automation is nowhere more primitive. Duplex sensor on the ventral aerodynamic ridge. When the probe touches the surface of the runway, the braking parachute is activated. And no computers)
        Quote: E.S.
        To think that the trick is done manually

        why not? Naturally, on the Su-57, a non-disconnect EMDS, it helps a lot, but similar tricks were done on other types of aircraft.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 29 August 2019 16: 47
          -3
          It is said that this is not a trick. Normal landing mode. It doesn’t necessarily sit exactly like that, but there’s nothing unusual about this plane.
          Which was demonstrated.
  15. Kelwin
    Kelwin 29 August 2019 14: 52
    +2
    vskidku here is the 29th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zJYDoNn0I
    This is the normal mode, if the qualification of the pilot allows or require landing conditions. In general, it is not clear what kind of plant the specialists should crucify before the g *** bloggers, staffing and abnormal, what is your business, grab a beer and pee over Harry sweaty)
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 15: 12
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      Quote: KelWin
      In general, it is not clear what kind of plant the specialists should

      Address your question to specialists. They are crucifying.
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 29 August 2019 16: 37
        0
        Address your question to specialists. They are crucifying.

        I expressed bewilderment, and did not ask a question, is this really incomprehensible?) ...
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 30 August 2019 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: KelWin
      In general, it is not clear what kind of plant the specialists should crucify before the g *** bloggers, staffing and abnormal, what is your business, grab a beer and pee over Harry sweaty)


      I absolutely agree.
      It looks even more ridiculous that the "chief" should give explanations to technical ignoramuses.
      Illiterate in technology - there’s nothing to comment on what they don’t understand!
  16. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 14: 58
    +3
    Quote: KelWin
    Where the world is heading, tomorrow the Civil Code will convince network bots that everything is fine - there would be no way to send it to the garden ... well, well, the blogosphere))

    More and more often I tell my friends: "throw your internet on the buoy" :-)
    1. Kelwin
      Kelwin 29 August 2019 16: 11
      +2
      +1) current does not help) well, and buoy with them drinks
  17. garri-lin
    garri-lin 29 August 2019 15: 11
    +2
    Well, the mileage on the roller is really miserable. On any stub of the strip in this way you can land.
  18. E.S.
    E.S. 29 August 2019 15: 16
    +2
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: E.S.
    on the MiG-25 it did automation

    there automation is nowhere more primitive. Duplex sensor on the ventral aerodynamic ridge. When the probe touches the surface of the runway, the braking parachute is activated. And no computers)
    Quote: E.S.
    To think that the trick is done manually

    why not? Naturally, on the Su-57, a non-disconnect EMDS, it helps a lot, but similar tricks were done on other types of aircraft.

    Normal reliable automation,
    however, something could have changed in the last 50 years
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 15: 40
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      Quote: E.S.
      Normal reliable automation

      Limit switch and relay - why break there?) Which is involved only in the release of a parachute at a certain moment. She did not have any control / stabilizing effects on the airplane itself.
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  20. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 30 August 2019 10: 35
    +1
    A similar landing technique - releasing a parachute before touching, has long been known and practiced.
    The difficulty in accurately determining the height of the parachute release is slightly higher and the vertical speed will go beyond the permissible limit - the device will be damaged.
    Of course, not every combat pilot has a clearance and can perform a similar element.
  21. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
    Muddy Seeing ORACLE 30 August 2019 12: 15
    0
    Somewhere at 1:35 a minute, you can see how a small bird flutters in front of the turbine of the plane ...
  22. yehat
    yehat 30 August 2019 17: 51
    0
    full-time, neskvarno-standard, alteration-interstate mode ...
  23. yehat
    yehat 30 August 2019 17: 54
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    Quote: Roman070280
    than regular

    and the regular one is a flat corkscrew with a transition of 50 meters to a vertical position and a decrease in the gas stream?