NATO countries painfully reacted to Erdogan's interest in Su-57

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The media in a number of NATO countries show that the authorities reacted rather painfully to the appearance of the President of NATO Turkey at MAX-2019. Recall that the day before Erdogan arrived in Zhukovsky as the head of the Turkish delegation and in a joking manner asked Vladimir Putin whether the Su-57 was flying and whether it was possible to buy this plane. The way the Su-57 flies, Erdogan was shown to Russian pilots. The President of Russia answered Erdogan that you can buy a plane.

NATO countries painfully reacted to Erdogan's interest in Su-57


It was Erdogan’s interest in the new generation Russian fighter that caused a painful reaction in NATO.

In particular, the Norwegian media jerked around showing the Su-57 to the Turkish president. The Aftenposten newspaper decided in its article to call the Russian aircraft "the so-called fifth generation fighter."

In the American media they write that Erdogan "is bluffing, trying to scare Washington by demonstrating a desire to acquire fighters from the Russians."

The German edition of Bild writes that Erdogan has to demonstrate warm relations with Moscow, as recently the Russian military police actually prevented the Assad army from attacking the Turkish observation post in Moreka (Idlib) and in the north of the Hama province. The publication notes that Erdogan is finding it increasingly difficult to wage war on two fronts - against the Kurds and against the Syrian army. At the same time, in Germany, some experts believe that Erdogan "needs to have more contact with NATO, and not with Russia, to solve the problems of Turkish security." And this is said in Germany, which itself is criticized in NATO for "insufficient funding for the organization."

Some time ago, Turkish authorities said they could consider buying fighter jets from Russia if the US finally refused Ankara to sell the F-35.
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  1. -1
    28 August 2019 09: 58
    The fact that Erdogan is "bluffing" is unambiguous. In this situation, we need to "go" correctly. wink
    1. +25
      28 August 2019 10: 01
      Quote: Nycomed
      In this situation, we need to "go" correctly.

      What is it like? Big or small? wassat

      It is important that Turkey is not an enemy to us.
      It is better for fellow citizens to belly-warm on Turkish beaches than to consider the Turks in the trenches with binoculars.

      1. +4
        28 August 2019 10: 04
        .... from laughter or ..... big? lol
        1. 0
          28 August 2019 12: 21
          In this case, this is the term for chess players and high-class players. And to empty the intestines and bladder has nothing to do. Excuse me. hi
          1. +2
            28 August 2019 12: 33
            don't be so serious, right word !! anyway hi
      2. +6
        28 August 2019 10: 05
        NATO countries painfully reacted to Erdogan's interest in Su-57


        Apparently there was a calculation .. they were trolling .. and the main purpose of Erdogan’s visit was different, Idlib was discussing, the SA there are wetting the militants, whom Erdogan sympathizes with ..
        1. +1
          28 August 2019 13: 49
          SA there militants water, which sympathizes with Erdogan .. [/ quote]
          Erdogan, as head of state, sympathizes with profit. and the militants side him
      3. -3
        28 August 2019 12: 46
        It is important that Turkey is not an enemy to us.

        Those. let anyone be an enemy, or all at once but not Turkey? laughing
        Or theoretically, just a joke, such a statement - It is important that Mozambique be our enemy laughing I mean that butter is oil, nobody wants to have any enemies.
        It is better for fellow citizens to belly-warm on Turkish beaches than to consider the Turks in the trenches with binoculars.

        I think it is better to let the Turks on the Crimean beaches belly warm. Why are they not observed? Friendship is friendship and tobacco in the rose?
        1. +3
          28 August 2019 13: 52
          Quote: Karabas
          Why are they not observed? Friendship is friendship and tobacco in the rose?

          Because on Turkish beaches it’s cheaper and the service is better.
          1. -1
            28 August 2019 13: 57
            Because on Turkish beaches it’s cheaper and the service is better.

            It is not.
            1. +1
              28 August 2019 13: 58
              Quote: Karabas
              Because on Turkish beaches it’s cheaper and the service is better.

              It is not.

              You were there? And I was there and there .. It is.
              1. -1
                28 August 2019 14: 00
                You were there? And I was there and there .. It is.
                Reply

                When were you?
            2. -4
              28 August 2019 15: 07
              This is so, and the sea is cleaner. feel
              1. -1
                28 August 2019 15: 13
                This is so, and the sea is cleaner.

                What is that? Prices this year are 1,5 times lower than last year in Crimea.
                1. -3
                  28 August 2019 15: 21
                  So I’m talking about the same thing. wink
      4. +2
        28 August 2019 13: 23
        It is important that Turkey is not an enemy to us.
        It is better for fellow citizens to belly-warm on Turkish beaches than to consider the Turks in the trenches with binoculars.

        Great answer, Vladimir good
        1. +4
          28 August 2019 15: 27
          In fact, NATO countries are in shock. They will have to buy a defective F-35, which the Americans obliged to call a 5th generation aircraft, and Turkey will be able to acquire real weapons. Turkey and air defense will be real, and now the fighters ... Here are the US vassals and in shock.
      5. 0
        28 August 2019 14: 25
        Well said buddy!
      6. 0
        1 September 2019 16: 54
        Even old Khatabych could not make a friend from Turkey.
    2. +13
      28 August 2019 10: 11
      NATO is a compulsory organization for the sale of US military goods. Still they would be completely nervous. This is the outflow of profit and not small.
      1. +6
        28 August 2019 13: 06
        Quote: Wend
        NATO is a compulsory organization for the sale of American military goods

        So, this very product comes true with mattresses in the best traditions of aggressive marketing, when a potential client has two options:
        1. He can buy
        2. He may try not to buy
        laughing
      2. 0
        1 September 2019 16: 56
        NATO is an organization for the sale of any tavern, but mainly from the United States.
        1. 0
          1 September 2019 16: 57
          Sales of any product
    3. -1
      28 August 2019 12: 39
      The fact that Erdogan is "bluffing" is unambiguous. In this situation, we need to "go" correctly. wink

      What is it like? Big or small?

      If the party said, it always did a great deal. laughing
    4. 0
      28 August 2019 12: 43
      Are you too keen on a political (or political science?) explanation of what is happening.
      be easier. The responsible leader is trying to plan in such a way that in any situation to stay in the gain. And I think that for Erdogan, Russian weapons are simply part of this absolutely normal strategy without bluffing or other unnecessary motives. They refuse to sell s400 or su-57, Erdogan will drop in China. And there’s no bluff here
      1. SSR
        0
        30 August 2019 06: 10
        Quote: yehat
        Are you too keen on a political (or political science?) explanation of what is happening.
        be easier. The responsible leader is trying to plan in such a way that in any situation to stay in the gain. And I think that for Erdogan, Russian weapons are simply part of this absolutely normal strategy without bluffing or other unnecessary motives. They refuse to sell s400 or su-57, Erdogan will drop in China. And there’s no bluff here

        + but there is an element of "bluff", the mattress covers only for the purchase of the S-400 called so that Erdogan throws on the fan in advance and this is the element of "bluff". hi
        He will either throw a tsyts or a yummy.)))
        PS.
        Looks like you need to see what the son-in-law of the Orthodox Kushner advises.
    5. +3
      28 August 2019 13: 15
      Quote: Nycomed
      The fact that Erdogan is "bluffing" is unambiguous. In this situation, we need to "go" correctly. wink

      When the first information about the possible purchase of S-400 by Turkey appeared, most of the "sofa experts" swore by their mother that it was a bluff. And today the S-400 is already in Turkey.
      So do not rush to make unambiguous conclusions. You can be embarrassed.
  2. +3
    28 August 2019 09: 59
    Russian aircraft "the so-called fifth generation fighter."

    Don't give a damn about "generations".
    The main efficiency.
    It is important what tasks the pilot of this aircraft can perform.

    In Syria, Su-35 is enough, in the sight of which we saw the much-praised f-22.
    1. 0
      28 August 2019 10: 08
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Don't give a damn about "generations".
      The main efficiency.
      It is important what tasks the pilot of this aircraft can perform.

      True remark ... the truth will have to fight with super aggressive marketing of minke whales, since full-time confrontation of these aircraft is not expected !!!
      1. +2
        28 August 2019 11: 04
        And if it is expected, then it will not go for export wassat
        1. +1
          28 August 2019 11: 08
          Quote: igorbrsv
          And if it is expected, then it will not go for export wassat

          If you have to meet in-person ... then this is most likely not for long! Then it will not be until the export, as if to survive, to those who survive in general!
  3. +8
    28 August 2019 10: 00
    NATO countries painfully reacted to Erdogan's interest in Su-57

    Bad header. In modern fashion you need to write
    NATO is hysterical! Erdogan felt the Su-57!

    smile
    1. +2
      28 August 2019 10: 13
      So for sure, I agree, but if they would have allowed me to sit in the cockpit?
    2. +1
      28 August 2019 13: 34
      [quote = Avior] Bad header. In modern fashion you need to write [quote]
      NATO is hysterical! Erdogan felt the Su-57! [/ Quote]
      And what would happen to NATO if they ate Erdogan would be allowed to sit in the cockpit?
  4. +1
    28 August 2019 10: 00
    Well, after 50 years of waiting on the doorstep, they have frankly thrown Turkey with the EU, now we can push them up and quietly withdraw them from NATO, especially if Danilka imposes sanctions on them, as threatened.
    1. +1
      28 August 2019 15: 30
      But in Turkey there were "Pershing", and the US only took out nuclear bombs from Turkey this year.
  5. +8
    28 August 2019 10: 01
    Judging by the responses of the Western media, Erdogan brought to validol .. Well done, he plays on contradictions ...
    1. +6
      28 August 2019 10: 05
      you see, closely to him in NATO ... a broad-minded person
  6. +3
    28 August 2019 10: 05
    Erdogan has probably regretted a hundred times that he talked too much in front of Zelensky, and now in Idlib they snatched up such lyuley, that he immediately flew to the air show to negotiate with Putin!
    Now you’ll have to buy planes from us.))
  7. +5
    28 August 2019 10: 10
    In the American media they write that Erdogan "is bluffing, trying to scare Washington by demonstrating a desire to acquire fighters from the Russians."

    The famous # is all about.
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    1. +3
      28 August 2019 10: 40
      Come on. Putin and Erdogan troll the Americans, played on their fears. 100% that no one will provide Su-57 to Turkey, especially since the Turks have already chosen American engines for their TF-X. It’s just like on the market, having an alternative in the person of Su-57, Erdogan can bargain for the Americans favorable TF-X conditions. Yes, and for us, the Su-57 advertisement will not be superfluous, the Indians started stirring, remembered about the Su-57. So all the way.
      1. +1
        28 August 2019 11: 05
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Turks have already chosen American engines for their TF-X.

        The technology of the 5th generation aircraft is rather complicated and it is extremely unprofitable and dangerous for Turkey without experience in aircraft construction to focus exclusively on US components. If once they refused under the already signed contract of the F-35 program, then it is even easier to refuse such "trifles" as an engine or an airborne radar. Therefore, TF-X definitely needs a Russian or Chinese alternative that can compete both in price and quality.
        1. +1
          28 August 2019 15: 33
          At the same time, the US has just tried to remove the current leadership of Turkey, and to put its own pocket president.
  9. Kaw
    -10
    28 August 2019 10: 15
    I wonder what Erdogan will demand in exchange for this innocent question about "can you buy this plane of yours"?
    And more interestingly, can we produce this aircraft under sanctions, without access to Western components?
    1. 0
      28 August 2019 10: 31
      Quote: Kaw
      I wonder what Erdogan will demand in exchange for this innocent question about "can you buy this plane of yours"?
      And more interestingly, can we produce this aircraft under sanctions, without access to Western components?

      Rather, what will we require
  10. 0
    28 August 2019 10: 32
    Here's a nail in the ass NATO scored GDP with the supply of C-400 to the Turks. F-35 marchists refused to supply the Turks, Erdogan found the best alternative.
  11. 3vs
    -2
    28 August 2019 10: 40
    Comrade Putin bought Erdogan for ice cream, like a Chinese friend before ... :-)
    Putin at the MAKS treated Erdogan and everyone with ice cream - video
    He gave the saleswoman five thousand rubles, asked for the change to be taken away by Manturov “for the development of aviation,” and then changed his mind and handed over the rest for the purchase of food.
    Source:
    news.mail.ru/politics/38482742/?frommail=1

    [media = https: //vk.com/video-24199209_456269733]
    1. -2
      28 August 2019 10: 44
      Quote: 3vs
      Comrade Putin

      What Putin’s comrade is Mr. He.
      1. +1
        28 August 2019 12: 00
        Svarog, during direct lines or press conferences, how do Russian citizens turn to him? Forgot? And Mr. President, foreigners are turning to him. What other citizenship do you have?
        1. -2
          28 August 2019 13: 15
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Svarog, during direct lines or press conferences, how do Russian citizens turn to him? Forgot?

          Frozen, comrades were under a socialist state, now the Lord .. his comrade is called a commander in chief only .. Your servility gives you a petty official, go work ..
  12. +2
    28 August 2019 10: 42
    The painful reaction is understandable - with his desire to purchase Russian weapons, Erdogan undermines the authority of NATO in the world.
    The Aftenposten newspaper decided in its article to call the Russian aircraft “the so-called fifth generation fighter”
    So maybe the Norwegians can boast of something exclusively their own and contrast it with the Russian? And then they bought F-35 from the United States and now they are joyfully writing to the ceiling, believing that they have achieved air superiority. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
  13. 0
    28 August 2019 10: 57
    Not so long ago I got a movie with Kedmi.
    Where Jacob in his characteristic (peculiar) manner explained that the Americans should not compete in matters of harming them.
    They themselves will do so much that others and can not think about it.
    Maybe he’s right?

    Yesterday, after showing on TV this moment, I thought, well, everyone, we are waiting for hysterical cries.
    There is a beginning.
  14. +1
    28 August 2019 12: 07
    Trying to sit on two chairs is always fraught with severe bruises.
  15. +1
    28 August 2019 13: 19
    NATO countries painfully reacted to Erdogan's interest in Su-57

    At the Military Review forum, some of the members of the forum also reacted painfully to Erdogan's interest in the Su-57
  16. -1
    28 August 2019 13: 51
    The case when some Turks may have a real multipurpose aircraft of the 5th generation, and the "civilized" Europeans have a whole bunch of unfinished, defective, useless "suitcases without a handle" fu.
    1. +2
      28 August 2019 14: 39
      Why do not you respect other nations? When the Turks had states, you rode in the forest, when the Turks controlled the international trade routes of the east and west, you rode in the forest, when the Turks destroyed the powerful empires of that time, made the history of mankind and controlled the sacred and ancient cities of the world you rode in the forest.
    2. 0
      28 August 2019 15: 33
      And why actually "some Turks"? These same Turks more than once brought the Europeans to their knees. Ask at least the same Austrians, they will confirm.
      1. 0
        28 August 2019 22: 33
        Lately, they themselves have been running about the EU for the city of Europeans, and in general they are waving the West, if they respect themselves, they would not engage in such garbage.
  17. 0
    28 August 2019 16: 51
    in general, is it all the same in what form to give a bribe to our Vladimir, well, the Saudi sheikhs seem to give 10 miliads directly for Assad's head, but here Erdogan, also fulfilling the will of a handful of American Jews, gives the same bribe, but the current in the form of buying various weapons so Well, well, behind the head, not behind the head, but the Turkish observation posts in Syria should remain, how much will the American Jews "purchase" both our C and our Su, not very much and a lot
  18. 0
    28 August 2019 19: 03
    Sly fox bluffs and big! I won’t be so surprised that I can push Americans
  19. 0
    28 August 2019 19: 53
    Turks are something. Russia’s ears should closely monitor our neighbor