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The Polish government has recognized that for decades Poland has been living in debt

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The Polish government has actually recognized that all the economic successes of the state over the past three decades are primarily associated with obtaining soft loans. Cabinet Mateusz Moravecki notes that all budgets for the mentioned period were scarce. Poland systematically got into debt, which sooner or later had to be repaid.




Poland has been living in debt for at least thirty years. In this regard, Moravecki sets himself and his cabinet an ambitious task, which boils down to ensuring that for the first time in 30 years the Polish budget is not scarce. It is reported by a major Polish publication Rzeczpospolita. They plan to make the budget of 2020 of the year such a budget.

From the material:

The government is going to adopt a budget that means it does not have to borrow money to cover all necessary expenses.

Leading economist at the Bank of Poland Petr Buyak notes that reforms in the economy are ripe as economic growth slows down, preventing the ruling party of Kaczynski from fulfilling campaign promises. And every time relying on foreign financial (credit) injections is becoming more difficult, since it is time to pay off debts.

Peter Buyak:

The fact that the state is going to stop borrowing is good news.

At the same time, among economic experts, it is noted that it is one thing to “want” to make the budget deficit-free, another thing is to translate these desires into practice. In particular, the opinion of the chief economist of the Polish Business Council, Janusz Jankowiak, is given:

Most governments, in the face of a slowdown, increase spending and deficits in order to stimulate the economy, while fiscal balances are adjusted in economically favorable times. The Polish government is doing exactly the opposite. This is incomprehensible and can hide unpleasant surprises for the Poles.

The economist notes that this will inevitably lead to a reduction in costs in, for example, sectors such as healthcare, the provision of social services.

Meanwhile, the Polish opposition accuses the ruling party of leading the country to the “second Greece” option, which is already so mired in debt that it is not able to repay loans. This leads to a collapse of the economy without new loans. In turn, new loans from the EU hit the ordinary Greeks, who raise tariffs, reduce social payments, and reduce wages.
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  1. Loess
    Loess 26 August 2019 11: 23
    +28
    The global (western) financial system is somehow strange - everyone owes everything, but no one wants to live within their means ... And not even trying ...
    1. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 26 August 2019 11: 32
      +6
      Quote: Less
      the financial system is kind of weird - everyone should all

      in fact, everything is much simpler, everyone owes to the bankers, and they are in no hurry to demand back, because they (the bankers) do not live on interest too, and when the financial stranglehold drags on the debtor’s neck, you can take it handsomely
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 26 August 2019 11: 58
        +4
        "... everyone owes the bankers, and they are in no hurry to demand back, because they (the bankers)"
        and bankers who?
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 26 August 2019 12: 49
          +2
          Quote: To be or not to be
          and bankers who?

          The international banking system has long stepped over national clans (although nationality is welcome there)
          This is an international mafia. Which in the event of a threat to the system will act at the same time to destroy the threat. At other times, clans inside the mafia bite, sometimes to death (England’s only offer to get away from dependence on the dollar is worth it)
      2. major147
        major147 26 August 2019 12: 30
        +3
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        Quote: Less
        the financial system is kind of weird - everyone should all

        in fact, everything is much simpler, everyone owes to the bankers, and they are in no hurry to demand back, because they (the bankers) do not live on interest too, and when the financial stranglehold drags on the debtor’s neck, you can take it handsomely

        It is very convenient to manage the debtor by holding it for "Faberge". The slightest inclinations from the "party line" are suppressed "in the bud." An example of this is the story of South Stream.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 18
          -1
          Quote: major147
          It is very convenient to manage the debtor by holding it for "Faberge". The slightest inclinations from the "party line" are suppressed "in the bud." An example of this is the story of South Stream.

          it’s even more convenient to control his attention by giving out a loss for a victory. Almost all of Russia knows how our rulers are fighting for the right to sell resources abroad. At the same time, everyone understands that it is bad to trade resources, but if we sell Nord Stream, then it’s good, or, as they say in Ukraine, it’s a MEND.
          We fight for the world by selling resources and buying beads, forgetting who we were. And we were a country going into communism, and no one has overtaken the pace of our growth in certain periods
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 26 August 2019 11: 34
      +10
      30 years to live in debt is not bad. It is generally accepted all over the world that 25 years is a generational change. Enough time for someone to live sweetly and to breed myths about the Polish economic miracle as a result of the "shock therapy" policy in the early 90s. And as a result, receive Maidans and orange revolutions in other neighboring countries!
      1. major147
        major147 26 August 2019 12: 31
        +4
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        30 years to live in debt, not bad.

        The "function of Moses" is almost complete. Now you can tell the new generation whatever you want about the past.
    3. lucul
      lucul 26 August 2019 13: 05
      -1
      The global (western) financial system is somehow strange - everyone owes everything,

      Credits (loan interest) are evil ...
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 25
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Credits (loan interest) are evil ...

        you know .. To hell you can apply both to the system of execution of punishments of the highest justice, and money like an apple from the tree of knowledge is only a symbol of human sinfulness and a penchant for vices.
        1. lucul
          lucul 26 August 2019 20: 27
          0
          To hell you can apply both to the system of execution of punishments of the highest justice, and money as an apple from the tree of knowledge is only a symbol of human sinfulness and a penchant for vices.

          Convenient wording, for manipulation / appropriation of other people's money.
          Can't you find? ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 52
            +1
            I find myself giving birth smile thank you
    4. Vend
      Vend 26 August 2019 13: 12
      +2
      Moravecki sets himself and his cabinet with an ambitious task, which boils down to ensuring that for the first time in 30 years the budget of Poland is not scarce.
      For this, it is necessary to conduct an independent and independent policy from the USA and Germany ..
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 26 August 2019 17: 53
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        For this, it is necessary to conduct an independent and independent policy from the USA and Germany ..

        And stop hysterical Russophobia ..And also ask for forgiveness for the destroyed monuments to Soviet soldiers who fell during the liberation of Poland from fascism .. soldier
        Otherwise, you will always be "a bargaining pawn and cannon fodder" in the showdown between Russia and the West .. The choice is yours, the Poles! hi
  2. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 26 August 2019 11: 24
    +3
    Meanwhile, the Polish opposition accuses the ruling party of leading the country to the “second Greece” option, which is already so mired in debt that it is not able to repay loans.
    Well, now it’s clear why they from Germany began to demand compensation for the occupation, they will soon demand from Russia for being in the eastern bloc, and then they will be presented to whom?
    1. miner
      miner 26 August 2019 11: 42
      0
      Such subjects can always go in the second round. Like, for the first time, everything was not calculated exactly enough.
    2. Nycomed
      Nycomed 26 August 2019 11: 56
      -3
      Already ask guess one time; what will be the answer? A little hint: a three-letter word. laughing
      1. major147
        major147 26 August 2019 12: 33
        +5
        Quote: Nycomed
        three letter word.

        "Peace"!? No? good
  3. depressant
    depressant 26 August 2019 11: 26
    +9
    But in the foreign blogosphere there are continuous enthusiastic ah! and oh! - here, they say, how it blossomed, how Poland rose, emerging from under the heavy "heel" of the USSR. They say they are smart business executives. Well, let's see how these "smart" ones will manage without sufficient subsidies from the European Union.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 26 August 2019 11: 35
      +6
      Quote: depressant
      Like, smart business executives. Well, let's see how these "smart" ones will manage without sufficient subsidies from the European Union.

      We still have to live up to this, endure the inform.war, so as not to repeat the fate of August 1991 and extend the life of the collective West.
    2. knn54
      knn54 26 August 2019 12: 07
      +1
      To be a "showcase" under socialism and under capitalism are DIFFERENT things.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 26
        0
        Quote: knn54
        To be a "showcase" under socialism and under capitalism are DIFFERENT things.

        what is the difference?
    3. Personalrec
      Personalrec 26 August 2019 12: 17
      -5
      Instead of commenting on hat-writing articles, you'd better look at the statistics for Poland. Comparing Poland and Greece is at least incorrect (Greece had a public debt of 200% versus 50% of Poland), so the article is clearly propaganda.

      1) Forecast nat. debt of Poland (we see that it is increasing)
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/531879/national-debt-of-poland/
      2) The ratio of public debt to GDP (absolutely normal ratio ~ 50%)
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/376842/national-debt-of-poland-in-relation-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp/
      3) Poland's GDP growth (they are doing very well - they can afford to borrow money)
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/263588/gross-domestic-product-gdp-in-poland/
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 26 August 2019 12: 57
        -1
        Comparing Poland and Greece is at least incorrect (Greece had a public debt of 200% versus 50% of Poland), so the article is clearly propaganda.

        So the Polish opposition speaks about this, that you are so excited, respected by someone?
        Meanwhile, the Polish opposition accuses the ruling party that it leads the country to the option of "second Greece", which is already so mired in debt that it is not able to repay loans.
      2. Yura
        Yura 26 August 2019 13: 12
        +4
        Quote: PersonalRec
        Comparing Poland and Greece is at least incorrect (Greece had a public debt of 200% versus 50% of Poland), so the article is clearly propaganda.

        And what difference is 50% or 200%, all the same, they will not give up, and those 30 years to live in debt and not give back - is that the growth of GDP, this is the growth of the economy? This is parasitism on the living standards of future generations, they themselves will no longer exist, so they do not care how it will be later. It is likely that part of the debts will be written off when they repay the interest in profit, but I doubt that everything, most of it will be a whip that conditions dictate to them.
        1. Personalrec
          Personalrec 26 August 2019 14: 39
          +1
          Well, if you don't see the difference between 50% and 200%, then I have nothing to discuss with you. And you can keep your conjectures about "parasitism" with a state debt of 50% - they are not interesting to anyone but yourself. Unlike the Russian one, the Polish economy is growing in the absence of super-profits from gas and oil. Would have thought at least. They already have per capita GDP by a third higher than in the Russian Federation.
          1. Yura
            Yura 26 August 2019 15: 25
            0
            Quote: PersonalRec
            Well, if you do not see the difference between 50% and 200%

            Yes, I see the difference, moreover I will say that there are countries where there are even more debts, but there is one thing - the scale of the ratio of these debts and the state as a whole (not only GDP, but everything else), so this ratio for some countries then there are Poland, Greece and a number of other countries, by the way there are a lot of them, with such debts they will be forced, if not already, to pay on an increasing basis, up to interest on interest. At one time in Brazil, this situation grew so catastrophic so much that the government was forced to default and direct money previously flowing abroad to its economy, and that was the only way they could rectify the situation.
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 26 August 2019 15: 17
          0
          Quote: Jura
          And what difference is 50% or 200%, all the same, they will not give up, and those 30 years to live in debt and not give back - is that the growth of GDP, this is the growth of the economy?
          200%? bullshit! whether business is prosperous Luxembourg! Incidentally, the highest standard of living in Europe, like! laughing Luxembourg's debt for 2017 amounted to 6300% of GDP. this is not a typo. in 2012 it was 3700%, that is, during this time the debt only grew.
          1. Personalrec
            Personalrec 26 August 2019 16: 57
            0
            You have interesting sources of information, however. According to the IMF, Luxembourg has a public debt of 20% of GDP.
            https://www.statista.com/statistics/381142/national-debt-of-luxembourg-in-relation-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp/
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 27 August 2019 14: 41
              -1
              How is the www.statista.com website related to the IMF? are there too much pathos? laughing
              But on the basis of what is the chart drawn? Where is the GDP data? Where is the debt data?
              I do not insist ... maybe for you enough diagram drawn by someone is unknown why ...
              1. Personalrec
                Personalrec 28 August 2019 11: 32
                0
                If you, dear, studied at school and knew English, then it says that the schedule is built according to the IMF, and below there are links to data on public debt and data on GDP. Between the IMF and you, it’s you - it’s not clear who, who takes its fantastic numbers, it is not clear where.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 28 August 2019 14: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: PersonalRec
                  If you, dear, read to study at school and knew English

                  that is, do you have links to open sources? or do you, dear, have problems with logic? at school did not teach? laughing
                  and so I repeat: in the public domain, the chart you provided does not contain any information and links. its reliability is doubtful.
                  but I must say that your pathos is fun wassat
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                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 29 August 2019 15: 04
                      -1
                      found.
                      By the way, it was absolutely not necessary to be rude wink authority didn’t add to you laughing
                      1. Personalrec
                        Personalrec 29 August 2019 15: 07
                        0
                        I don’t know what you already found there, I just didn’t see the links and don’t see them.
                        Respectfully communicate with a person who can’t read and carry complete nonsense? Pff, you want a lot.
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 29 August 2019 15: 10
                        0
                        you're right, found normal data ...
                        but the fact that you boor doesn’t change wink
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 26 August 2019 12: 28
      +4
      Quote: depressant
      But in the foreign blogosphere - solid enthusiastic ah! and ooh! - here, they say, how it blossomed, how Poland rose

      High growth rates of the Polish economy are largely due to support from the European Union and the United States. It is possible to borrow if this leads to an increase in wealth, and not to debt bondage. If you make two out of a borrowed dollar, only losing a little by%.
    5. major147
      major147 26 August 2019 12: 43
      +5
      Quote: depressant
      how Poland rose, emerging from the heavy "heel" of the USSR. They say they are smart business executives. Well, let's see how these "smart" ones will manage without sufficient subsidies from the European Union.

      Recently I got acquainted with how the West brought down the economy of socialist Poland. At the end of socialism, when Moscow's "grip" weakened, Poland collected loans in the West at high interest rates for the construction of car factories. Western lenders promised to pay for the loan with products, but according to the good old tradition "changed their minds" and demanded money. Accordingly, the calculation was for the Western market, which was closed and the economy could not stand it. Popular discontent skillfully directed from the West. And take Poland with your bare hands ...
    6. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 August 2019 13: 30
      +6
      And what's the point of watching ??
      Here they lived under the USSR .. let's even say that they lived well .. They didn’t like it, but they lived for 50 years .. And then the Union disappeared ..
      Now they will live a different life for 50 years .. Of course, sooner or later this period will end with them .. But .. then they lived it well !! And they certainly will not regret ..

      With the same success, it will be possible to look at the United States sometime .. sooner or later their world will fall into decay .. and what will happen next is unknown .. But none of those generations who lived at a good time will regret about it!!

      Summarizing - we must live today !! For what is chewed and eaten is already good. But what has been accumulated and postponed is unknown to his fate ..
      Our ancestors also tried for the descendants .. they seized a lot of land .. all the resources are there, in any quantity .. and these "descendants" still live well and did not begin .. Even in comparison with Poland, we live no better .. Here so that..
      1. Victor Lutvin
        Victor Lutvin 26 August 2019 15: 45
        +1
        They lived well with the union, but now it’s even better. Before Bialystok, I’m 60 km away, now Belarusians are massively felling for work. Many with an eye on permanent residence.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 26 August 2019 15: 48
          +1
          So I’m talking about something .. People live !! Life passed .. and went well ..
          But it has increased for a long time, or there is something else .. but who cares about that ..

          We have, on the contrary .. we paid off our debts, we forgave others' debts to everyone .. we buy gold .. Well, what's the point of it, if we live worse anyway !!
          Happiness is not in numbers ..
          1. Victor Lutvin
            Victor Lutvin 26 August 2019 15: 57
            0
            I’m a railwayman, in 5 months 5 drivers left in one person, everyone in the topic will understand up to 40. All in Poland, you think the leadership may remain like a salary. And the guys say, I got 1500 euros for a month, and then 1500 rubles somehow.
            1. Olezhek
              Olezhek 26 August 2019 17: 29
              0
              And yes, Russia has driven Belarus over 100 billion greens after 91
              But not horse feed.
              The difference between Poland and Belarus is in people
              The main and fundamental difference
              1. Victor Lutvin
                Victor Lutvin 26 August 2019 17: 37
                +3
                Not in Olezhek’s people, but in their leaders. A person wants to live humanly now, and not in the foreseeable future. The bureaucrats live well under any authority. Belarusians are very patient and hardworking. And the authorities are blind, stupid and stubborn now. The most valuable resource is personnel, and frames are now being scattered both here and among you.
                1. Olezhek
                  Olezhek 26 August 2019 17: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: Victor Lutwin
                  Not in Olezhek’s people, but in their leaders. A person wants to live humanly now, and not in the foreseeable future. The bureaucrats live well under any authority. Belarusians are very patient and hardworking. And the authorities are blind, stupid and stubborn now. The most valuable resource is personnel, and frames are now being scattered both here and among you.


                  This is your power, your state and your problems.
                  Every nation, as a rule, has the power it deserves.
                  Independence implies responsibility.
                  Martians will not solve your problems for you.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 34
        -1
        Quote: Roman070280
        Our ancestors also tried for posterity ..

        If we, following the example of our ancestors, also tried for posterity to preserve this ideology .... then everything would not have been chewed and eaten. I summarize - you need to live in the future and abandon consumerism.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 27 August 2019 09: 13
          -1
          No matter how much I loved the USSR .. but, in fairness, and in the days of the existence of ideology, life was far from honey .. this is firstly ..
          Secondly .. did our ancestors conquer the ideology ?? So that we live by ideology ?? The thing is definitely good, but .. see paragraph 1

          I wrote about millions of hectares of land .. which we had and have .. and have not disappeared anywhere .. But we didn’t get richer anyway !! In any case, specifically we ..
          You can add gas to these hectares of land .. or you can use oil .. or you can use gold .. or you can use wood, coal or ore .. Or you can do everything together !! Supply it with atomic energy, hydroelectric dam, nuclear shield ..
          All this we got from our ancestors .. and almost none of this is in Poland ..
          But they live .. at least not worse .. but to be honest - it’s even better .. Here you have the whole ideology !!
          If you postpone something not in perspective ... you will still be forced to consume it .. in the best case, you won’t guess anything ..
          In the worst case, it will either turn sour or someone will consume for you .. which has been happening in our country for decades ..
          As correctly noted above:
          Man wants to live humanly now, and not in the foreseeable future

          And that’s not even the point. what he wants .. But the fact is that there is no other way to live !!
          It's like saving money, falling asleep in bins .. you can swim in them, like McDuck .. but the money was not invented for swimming at all .. You need to live on them !!

          If the grandfather kept the gold ruble, then the dad saved up the ruble for his life, then the grandson saved up the third ruble .. and so on .. As a result, everyone lived in poverty, but "for the future" .. so that some of the great-great-great-grandchildren. What is this great-grandson supposed to do in order to justify such a thing ?? Jump to the moon, and wave from there to everyone? Even if he orders it according to his mind, having built a house .. isn't it a dull prospect left for previous generations !! Moreover, this great-grandson can completely drink / lose everything / inflation / war, etc.
          The prospect is therefore called .. that it is always somewhere ahead, and it is impossible to achieve it, no matter how hard you try .. it's a utopia ..
          And the Poles, albeit on credit now .. but they will live well .. This is a point in their piggy bank !! And tomorrow, what will happen, no one knows .. The prospect that we will overtake them in terms of living is still not visible ..
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 27 August 2019 11: 59
            0
            Quote: Roman070280
            As correctly noted above:
            Man wants to live humanly now, and not in the foreseeable future

            I didn’t notice it.
            Quote: Roman070280
            And the Poles, albeit on credit now .. but they will live well.

            In Poland, the climate is such that the fields cost only 2 months. there is no need for space. But the flip side of well-being is that they don’t need into space !!! therefore we need to work more than the Poles.
            An Indian proverb says - Happiness is only a sense of perspective. Therefore, to be happy you need to have it. Money is only a means of accumulation and exchange, and fortunately they are not related. You can save up with pigs.
            Our standard of living can be measured by the area of ​​the heated premises, their level is simply the area, so you are right, we can’t catch them in this indicator. Happiness in knowledge must be sought and developed.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 27 August 2019 12: 37
              -2
              I didn’t notice it.

              I did not say that it was you .. I meant that it was noticed correctly .. And who is the tenth question ..

              In Poland, the climate is such that the fields cost only 2 months.

              It began .. The climate is not that, the population is too big .. or small .. The country is too huge .. The ancestors were to blame for everything ..))
              They conquered too large a territory for us, which is why we are suffering in eight dozen countries in terms of living standards ..
              We have pensions like the Romanians .. And all because the Romanians do not need to space ..
              Something always hurts a bad dancer .. Here's a saying that is appropriate here !!

              Our standard of living can be measured by the area of ​​heated rooms, their level is simply the area
              I would prefer a different "currency" to measure ..
              For example, how many months a year a German pensioner can spend on holidays in Turkey, all inclusive, with a pension of 1,5 thousand euros, not bothering with food or washing sheets .. And how much you can afford a Russian penny, 12 thousand rubles a month ..
              The correct answers are 12 and 0 .. The difference is infinity ..))
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 27 August 2019 20: 45
                0
                Quote: Roman070280
                I would prefer a different "currency" to measure ..

                these are your emotions. Unfortunately. Sometimes it is called "Wishlist". It sounds harsh, but any desire must have a material basis.
                Quote: Roman070280
                It began .. The climate is not that, the population is too big .. or small .. The country is too huge .. The ancestors were to blame for everything ..))
                . No! I propose the universal equivalent of this energy. A warm climate is precisely energy. Saved, accumulated by plants, etc .... We have a greenhouse. The cost of tomatoes from the greenhouse is about 8 rubles kg. in the month of July, for 2 years of ownership of the greenhouse. The store is 10 times more expensive. Why? because the heated area! You are probably an urban vegetable, and you probably don’t know that the rolls grow on special trees laughing ... And in our basket: tomatoes, cucumbers, cabbage, avocado, .. in short pay attention in the store, inadvertently ..... smile
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 28 August 2019 09: 33
                  -1
                  these are your emotions. Unfortunately. Sometimes it is called "Wishlist". It sounds harsh, but any desire must have a material basis.


                  These are ordinary realities ..
                  It is about material values, this article ..
                  It is about money / debt topic ..
                  It is about the standard of living of Poles and others that is being compared ..
                  So the standard of living should be measured as it should .. and not as convenient ..

                  No! I propose the universal equivalent of this energy. A warm climate is precisely energy. Saved, accumulated by plants, etc ....


                  Who do you suggest this to ?? In the elderberry garden, and in Kiev ..

                  We have a greenhouse. The cost of tomatoes from the greenhouse is about 8 rubles kg. in the month of July, for 2 years of ownership of the greenhouse.


                  I'm happy for you .. only we talked a little about something else ... More precisely, about something else !!

                  The store is 10 times more expensive. Why? because the heated area!

                  But at least the topic is about another .. I'm surprised that in Turkey someone is heating something ..))

                  You are probably an urban vegetable, and you probably don’t know that the rolls grow on special trees laughing ... And in our basket: tomatoes, cucumbers, cabbage, avocados, .. in short, pay attention to the store, inadvertently ..... smile


                  Maybe I'm urban .. but I eat my own tomatoes and cucumbers .. And I won’t be surprised if even earlier than you ..))

                  PS .. greenhouses, etc. good thing .. You can even create a separate topic for this on the profile site, since I really want to discuss and boast ..
                  But the standard of living in the countries we will compare in the old fashioned way .. as we used to .. finances ..
  4. svp67
    svp67 26 August 2019 11: 27
    +7
    In any case, these loans made it possible for the Polish economy to reach a higher level, and see what happens next. No wonder they ask for direct protection of the United States.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 August 2019 11: 34
      +5
      level ... how high is it? pumping up a country with cheap loans, while the real sector is dying and what is the result? a really Greek option .. there are only nuances .. the main lender of the usa .. and they have a strong demand for debts ..
      1. Reading
        Reading 26 August 2019 12: 38
        -3
        Why did you decide that the real sector is dying in Poland?
        Poland's exports in dollars are approaching Russian, given that Russia drives oil and gas mainly .... and Poland apples? Do not tell, dear. Poland's GDP is approaching 50% of the Russian.
        A stable increase in salaries, etc. In fact, Russia from Polyandia should take an example.
        1. lucul
          lucul 26 August 2019 13: 12
          -3
          Why did you decide that the real sector is dying in Poland?
          Poland's exports in dollars are approaching Russian, given that Russia drives oil and gas mainly .... and Poland apples? Do not tell, dear. Poland's GDP is approaching 50% of the Russian.
          A stable increase in salaries, etc. In fact, Russia from Polyandia should take an example.

          There are official debts, that is, those that are accounted for, and there are unofficial debts - that is, those that are, but they have not yet been voiced and have not been presented for the time being .....
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 26 August 2019 14: 20
          +4
          Johnny, 160 billion euros + 11 billion of annual euro-subsidies from the EU were pumped to Poland only for European standards (14 receive, 3 are returned). A good example or not? Since 2020 subsidies will no longer be available not only for Poland, but for the whole of Eastern Europe. So let's see what will happen in three years. I think that they will have no time for liquefied gas from the States. The Poles are already demanding indemnity from Germany for the Second World War - they probably feel that "tomorrow" the treasury will be empty - otherwise why demand them if an agreement on these matters has been signed long ago ?!
          Based on this, I think that in the same three years V. Europe will be forced to upholster the thresholds in the Kremlin in order to at least return trade with the Russian Federation. Orban (President of Hungary), apparently, is one of the most visionary leaders in V. Europe, because understands what will happen after the cessation of Eurodotations. And the Baltic, Polish and Romanian, in my opinion, the most stupid. hi
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 26 August 2019 11: 56
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      No wonder they ask for direct protection of the United States.

      Therefore, they ask that they understand that they cannot repay debts. So the USA can take Poland simply for debts. A very clever move considering that the American economy itself is all in debt.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 August 2019 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      No wonder they ask for direct protection of the United States.

      Tell me, who is going to attack them (theoretically)? Ukraine or Belarus?belay
      Could it be a kind of schizophrenia? For example, I see a psychosis in the fear of Poland. The only possible receipt of "lyulya" will occur if you constantly bully and insult someone. But here the "response" can be counted as a form of satisfaction and nothing more.
    4. Mouse
      Mouse 26 August 2019 13: 37
      -3
      Quote: svp67
      No wonder they ask for direct protection of the United States.

      by joke ...
      The Americans caught the Pole and began to rape him in all the holes. And he, instead of breaking out and calling for help, rejoices. The Americans ask him: Why are you so pleased? And the Pole answers them:
      - The main thing is that not Russians have me !!! wink
    5. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 36
      0
      Quote: svp67
      In any case, these loans enabled the Polish economy to reach a higher level,

      a lot of you saw polish cars, phones, clothes ... ???? I've never seen. only apples.
  5. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 26 August 2019 11: 31
    0
    Who would doubt that all this so-called Polish "successful economy" is a bubble blown up by Brussels.
  6. bycharashkO
    bycharashkO 26 August 2019 11: 33
    +1
    "How long the string does not hang, But you will slip into a loop" V.S. Vysotsky
  7. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 August 2019 11: 34
    0
    like collector mufflers
  8. yehat
    yehat 26 August 2019 11: 39
    +3
    Quote: Pedrodepackes
    in fact, everything is much simpler, everyone owes to bankers, and they are in no hurry to demand back

    the money remains with the bankers, they don’t go anywhere, because mostly operations are virtual
    and all these loans to banks cost nothing, only the risk of collapse from the accumulation of impossible obligations grows if all depositors demand their money.
    American financial institutions in 2014 collapsed even from the appearance of a hint of mistrust in their solvency. This entire global banking system is actually leading the world to a dire disaster, because it has long passed the line of more or less justified support for operations. And the tightening of the denouement due to the accumulation of reserves and the mutual insurance assistance chain only delays the already rapid collapse.
    Interestingly, Deutsche Bank is now trying to merge from this paradigm, causing huge losses.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 August 2019 11: 44
      0
      The bankers have a serious "roof" .... or rather, the bankers cover everything and everyone, in the end!
    2. lucul
      lucul 26 August 2019 13: 15
      0
      This entire global banking system is actually leading the world to a dire disaster, because it has long passed the line of more or less justified support for operations.

      All this is a big scam.
      And the subject of economics is not science.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 46
        -1
        Quote: lucul
        And the subject of economics is not science

        From the standpoint of dialectical materialism, economics is precisely science, or rather, a scientific subject about which everyone has heard but no one uses it. Any attempts to develop this science into something relevant today are hindered by the low level of knowledge of the subject by the human mass.
        Quote: lucul
        All this is a big scam.
        it is not profitable for the chief con men to have a thinking herd. But energy has become the main value on earth, and the scam’s main goal is to capture energy resources. For example, Russia is braided with pipes pumping blood from it (oil and gas, of course).
  9. Graz
    Graz 26 August 2019 11: 42
    -2
    and someone else a patriot and fu35 for a billion bucks wanted to buy
  10. Nycomed
    Nycomed 26 August 2019 11: 43
    -2
    Has it finally arrived?
  11. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 August 2019 11: 45
    0
    "Gdansk Shipyard", "Stalowa Wola", the FSO car plant that produced polonaises, fiat cars and minibuses ... and much more, now the latter is not there, not even buildings ... the Chinese bought Stalowa's will, well, thank God, at least production ... the shipyard is breathing good luck ... no one in Europe needs an extra competitor ... but the Yankees will keep pshek ... such a jackal is always needed Tabaki ..
  12. Guards turn
    Guards turn 26 August 2019 11: 46
    -1
    "The government is going to adopt a budget that means it won't have to borrow money ..."
    This could very well happen if an oil fountain suddenly clogs in the center of Warsaw.
    1. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
      Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 26 August 2019 16: 46
      0
      Or apples and their agricultural products will find where to supply.
      Although anyone needs everything else.
      After all, for them, will they specifically cancel the sanctions?
  13. Aliken
    Aliken 26 August 2019 12: 43
    +2
    Who would doubt it, everyone knows that the Poles are recognized by the whole world as beggars, freeloaders, little ones. They are trying to instill the same mentality in Ukraine.
  14. Andrew3000
    Andrew3000 26 August 2019 12: 44
    +5
    Anecdote from the USSR:
    The Pole comes to the bank - to put on the deposit 300 zlotys. And he is interested in the employee:
    - And what is your guarantee that I will get my money back?
    - This guarantees our bank by its charter.
    - And if your bank goes bankrupt?
    - It's impossible. We have a state bank. It is provided with all the property of the Polish People’s Republic.
    - And if the Polish People’s Republic goes bankrupt?
    - Well, then there is the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, the Soviet Union ...
    - And if the Soviet Union goes bankrupt?
    “And Pan is sorry for some 300 zlotys for such a thing ?!”
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 August 2019 12: 51
    0
    In the near future, the financial supply of Poles and tribals from the EU will begin to decline, let's see how they will develop.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      let's see how they will develop.

      filled with Muslim refugees who declare jihad against those who are not pleased with money ....
  16. sleeve
    sleeve 26 August 2019 13: 47
    +1
    I don't understand, but where is "Russia to blame"? Or is it just a prologue?
  17. Jarserge
    Jarserge 26 August 2019 14: 15
    0
    Which was required to prove ... Although they admitted it was good
  18. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 August 2019 14: 48
    0
    Poland has been living in debt for at least thirty years. In this regard, Moravecki sets himself and his cabinet an ambitious task, which boils down to ensuring that for the first time in 30 years the Polish budget is not scarce. It is reported by a major Polish publication Rzeczpospolita
    Shame, Moravecki is not a nobleman, a shit! feel Where is the gentleman's ambition? Yes, debts, but to pay off debts .... to lose the honor of the gentry.
  19. K-50
    K-50 26 August 2019 16: 26
    +1
    Poland has been living in debt for at least thirty years. The government is going to adopt a budget that means it does not have to borrow money to cover all necessary expenses.

    But this is unlikely to succeed. She’s such a freebie, she’s corrupting. And then live within our means simply in scrap. The opposition will rejoice at the new item on buzu. yes fellow lol
  20. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 26 August 2019 18: 32
    0
    Judging by the military ambition of the Poles they have money - it’s just right to give America a loan.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 26 August 2019 19: 18
    +1
    Sooner or later, the freebie ends and you need to think about the future! Here comes the demand for reparations to Poland from Germany, attempts to calculate the damage from the occupation and suck money from Russia.
    Local spills
  22. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 August 2019 19: 18
    -1
    A new Greece is looming and feeling this fifth point, the Psceans have turned this point to Uncle, though it’s not clear who will blow it harder
  23. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 26 August 2019 20: 20
    0
    Right now from Germany reparations will be received - and will be panicked.
  24. yehat
    yehat 27 August 2019 10: 56
    0
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Any attempts to develop this science into something relevant today are hindered by the low level of knowledge of the subject by the human mass.

    mass knowledge of the subject is not required at all
    all that is required is not to forget the normal conclusions of the theory of various kinds of custom blizzards, which are produced in large numbers by order of capital.