The State Duma proposed the deployment of missile systems in Venezuela

The most effective response to the American test of medium-range ground-based missiles will be the deployment of Russian systems closer to the United States, for example, in Venezuela. This opinion was expressed by First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Sherin.

According to Shein, the United States understands only brute force and persuading them not to do something is completely useless, as they perceive it as weakness. Thus, instead of persuading, it is necessary to deploy their missile systems in Venezuela, which will lead to a very painful reaction by the Americans, since it will be much worse than deploying missiles in Cuba.

As one of the options - just talk on this topic with the leadership of Venezuela. This, of course, is tough. Maybe there will even be a Caribbean crisis-2, but it was the Caribbean crisis that allowed the Americans to cool for a long time. For the United States, it will be worse than Cuba than when our systems were located in Cuba. This is a completely different option, the question is not only about distance, but also about vulnerability

- quotes Shein's words "Interfax".

At the same time, the parliamentarian is confident that Venezuela will even be glad of such a proposal, since the deployment of Russian missile systems on its territory will ensure the country's security from the United States.

If we place our systems somewhere, it is necessary to allocate funds for their maintenance, and Venezuela is a very rich country, an oil-producing country. (...) may even be spent on keeping them. This is about the security of Venezuela itself

- he added.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Defense, the Foreign Ministry and other ministries to think through a symmetrical response to the US test of the Tomahawk medium-range missiles from the Mk.41 ground installation.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

What complexes? We don’t have any ... ...!

[loki565]

You can go to Cuba, they’ll get it from there.

[Zaurbek]

Well, these are two big differences .... To CUBA F16 calmly fly

[loki565]

With 300 in the kit))) Since we are turning on C400, then C300 can be in Cuba)))

[Zaurbek]

To deploy nuclear weapons there, you need to deploy an army .... according to wartime standards.

[Leeds]

I would not stick a stick in the hollow with wild bees, where it’s better not to stick with a straw.

[Zaurbek]

You can and must climb ... at first you need to know about the length and hardness of your stick and the diameter and depth of the hollow ...

[Leeds]

Eight children recently died from a lack of expensive medicines in some center, and we will carry missiles, invest in infrastructure, dump grandmothers to beggars for "such an opportunity." It went ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Leeds

8 children recently died from a lack of expensive medicines in some center,

This is a question for bureaucrats from the public health of the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Leeds

and we will carry missiles,

We will not carry rockets, we will carry coffins, and not according to 8, but thousands of times more.

Quote: Leeds

grandmother beggars to dump for "such an opportunity"

Count at your leisure how many years have passed since the time when we got out of the "rogue" into people ... From prison and from the bag ....

[vlad106]

Quote: Tersky

We will not carry rockets, we will carry coffins, and not according to 8, but thousands of times more.

right! and in general, a good "pig" under the nose of the Americans!

[boss]

so here it is cho, ivanych!
Wait Mistral with 300 on board exactly happened.
BUT ended the Mistral in Egypt

[monah]

Everything is absolutely true! It is necessary to cut rockets, following the example of a hunchback, to cut gas into the outskirts for free, but what? Brothers! In everything he agrees with the hegemon, to give Crimea, betray Donbas, like Yugoslavia, and lie under the Americans! At once there will be happiness to everyone, maybe even medications will be thrown! The cookies will fill !!!

[SHIPS]

Iskanders can put out fires in Siberia. There is such a way, by explosion.

[Slavenin82]

We will not invest grandmother, we will not need medications, there will be no one to treat ...

[Grits]

Quote: Leeds

8 children recently died from a lack of expensive medication

And if you do not invest in defense, then not 8 children, but 8 million children may die

[boss]

it is impossible in your right mind to associate the warm with the soft, the children died due to the actions of specific officials.
this case has nothing to do with the army, the military budget or its size.
this is the level of liberal analytics

[kuz363]

Why is excessive defense needed for a dying and impoverished population? Who to defend? Oligarchs and deputies? So they at the first whistle from the west will be outside of Russia.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Leeds

Eight children recently died from a lack of expensive medicines in some center, and we will carry missiles, invest in infrastructure, dump grandmothers to beggars for "such an opportunity." It went ...

With children, the question is not so simple. It may be such a disease that expensive medicines are needed all my life, while the return from a person is zero. Well, or, for example, you spent to hell with money, cured such a child with the latest methods of medicine. And he went down the porches of the mobile. A rocket is a much more definite thing in the sense of necessity and usefulness.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Zaurbek

You can and must climb ... at first you need to know about the length and hardness of your stick and the diameter and depth of the hollow ...

Correctly! Necessary! But proportionate and timely. As long as there are no axes deployed in Europe, a real deployment will only lead to an even greater crisis, but active negotiations on this subject with Cuba and Venezuela need more statements about successes on this front.

[Zaurbek]

It is better to build a nuclear submarine with KRSD .... a couple of three pieces with 500-10 KR. It’s always its own.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is better to build a nuclear submarine with KRSD .... a couple of three pieces with 500-10 KR. It’s always its own.

Well, it seems that the loaves are going to be altered to fit the calibers, and "Ash" are already coming with them. But the s-500 on the submarine is something new and most likely extremely unrealizable.

[D16]

They defiantly from shit and sticks assembled a medium-range ground-based missile system. By the way, from the same shit that is located in Romania. We can assume that in Europe there are already axes.

[Big Cat]

So the Americans seem to be getting ready for deployment ... https: //topcor.ru/8729-amerikanskie-tomagavki-uzhe-v-evrope.html? Utm_source = warfiles.ru

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Zaurbek

You can and must climb ... at first you need to know about the length and hardness of your stick and the diameter and depth of the hollow ...

What about steel Faberge? It will turn out as with the S-300 complexes in Syria, purely for furniture .. And in general, it’s not worth taking the State Duma bellicose war seriously when there is nothing left before the election.

[Zaurbek]

..keywords here: first you need to know about the length and hardness of your stick and the diameter and depth of the hollow ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Zaurbek

..keywords here: first you need to know about the length and hardness of your stick and the diameter and depth of the hollow ...

Yes, I understand only if all of the conditions listed by you are present but there is no will (decision) .... That's the whole addition.

[Zaurbek]

So the measured did not satisfy

[Govorun]

In this case, these wild bees will climb into your "hollow", maybe you want this, but most of them DO NOT, although they may climb into yours, but we will not allow ours ...

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

To deploy nuclear weapons there, you need to deploy an army .... according to wartime standards.

And in normal gear? Modern complexes, the same "Iskander" is quite accurate that it would be possible to use a conventional warhead, for now.

The most effective response to the American test of medium-range ground-based missiles will be the deployment of Russian systems closer to the United States, for example, in Venezuela.

Thus, Venezuela already has Iskanders.

[Zaurbek]

Take the ruler and measure on the map .... to the USA and to the desired points. In order to cause significant damage with the shtet, there must be 1000 KR with conventional warheads. This is something like a ship-based UPC ready for launch.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

To cause significant damage to the shtetom, there are pieces of 1000 KR with conventional warheads.

That is, you decided to harm the US only with these missiles or to use them as one of the elements of a "retaliatory strike"? Do you understand the difference?

[Zaurbek]

For a screwdriver strike, there are nuclear submarines and ground missiles .... with nuclear warheads and aviation.
And a guaranteed start-up system.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

For a screwdriver strike, there are nuclear submarines and ground missiles .... with nuclear warheads and aviation.
And a guaranteed start-up system.

So missiles in Venezuela and Cuba, in conventional equipment, can be connected to it, for destruction, the same KP, missile defense installations ... but you never know what the United States has there, the main thing is that on this side they do not have a well-balanced missile defense system.

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

To deploy nuclear weapons there, you need to deploy an army .... according to wartime standards.

Firstly, the army is already there - the army of Venezuela. A very well-armed and equipped army is the strongest in the region.
And secondly, groups equal to the one that we have in Syria are quite enough.
Namely :
- Combined brigade of tactical aviation.
- two to four air defense air defense divisions (ideally 2 of the C-400 + 2 of the C-350).
- Marine Battalion - for the protection of the Navy.
- Airborne Battalion - aerodrome / airfield security.
- 2 - 4 battalion of motorized rifles to guard the bases of the Kyrgyz Republic.
- tank battalion and combined artillery regiment (barrel artillery, including self-propelled guns and MLRS).
+ l \ s missile divisions \ regiments and airfield service staff + GRU special forces group.
Fleet duty forces can be represented by a pair of diesel-electric submarines and one submarine, a pair of frigates and one BDK (for maneuver by the marines on the islands), anti-submarine \ patrol aircraft). And the UAV.

And there is no need to be afraid of a new "Caribbean crisis", without it anyway it will not be possible to reach an agreement.

[Zaurbek]

I do not believe in the duration of the regime.

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

I do not believe in the duration of the regime.

They said the same thing about Syria, but ... “these Russians” came and “ruined” everything.
Russia has great interests in Venezuela and IT SHOULD US (this mantra is for those who believe that economic interests are above all - profit).
And the regime costs there, how much and how it is not shaken. After all, besides us, there are those who are interested, so that "the regime stood and resisted", we are not alone here. The accounts of their oil company are registered in Moscow and America is not controlled. All oil will go through us (Russia), and therefore counter deliveries from Russia will grow - for rubles.

Here is one admiral in the United States who said that the Navy is ready to begin the blockade of Venezuela. This is more serious.
Immediately one sees such a picture - there is a caravan of ships with peaceful cargo and missiles, accompanied by ships and submarines of the Russian Navy, and then there is a blockade, the adversaries are not letting in ... And then with a kind smile the caravan replies, "Well, then we are to Cuba - there it is more usual "... And then bases in Iran are deployed - near the strait (they have already been announced). And if there is an attack on Venezuela, then the American Zoldaten in Afghanistan begin to suffer sharply losses from the Taliban, to whom some "bastard" from ... let's say Iran, planted good weapons - MANPADS, ATGMs and a bunch of explosives. Planes and helicopters are falling from the sky, bases under fire ...
And in Cuba (Nicaragua), meanwhile, a caravan is unloading ... carrying warmth and light to frostbitten America.
And on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, smiling Xi Jing Ping, withdrawing money from Fed bonds ...

Or you can just continue to build ships, missiles, airplanes, roads, bridges, the economy ... sit on the shore and watch the passing corpses of the "hegemon" with his comrades ...

[Stone]

Sergey Lukyanenko? It is you?

[bayard]

Both my name and surname are completely different.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

C300 and C400 strongly protect Syria from Israeli raids or missile attacks by US ships?

So why did you decide that they would help Cuba?

Yes, the United States will plow the entire military infrastructure of Cuba from two destroyers of the "Arlie Burke" type, and then, as if hunting with the same F-35 or even simpler attack UAVs, using AWACS aircraft for guidance, they will arrange a safari on the huge size of the S-300 / S- 400 and the remnants of the Cuban army.

Read about Operation Medvedka-19, then the Jews rolled out 19 air defense battalions with Soviet specialists in an instant, and then they packed a bunch of Syrian planes.

Russia can only respond to the United States by building up multipurpose nuclear submarines of the Yasen-M type, such a submarine can approach the US coast and launch a massive strike with Caliber missiles into the enemy's depths, and finding such a submarine and hitting it is much more difficult than a base on land.

One submarine of the Yasen-M pr. Carries 40 Caliber missiles that can hit targets at a distance of 2600 km.

[Thrall]

This opinion was expressed by First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Sherin

I won’t even google - 100% LDPRovets

[Greenwood]

And there is. I googled.

[Aleksandr12]

I googled. You are not mistaken. Inveterate LDPRovets, his Zhirinovsky, apparently, has long bitten

[pru-pavel]

Captain of the reserve of the Airborne Forces. Quite a normal train of thought for landing. They were not taught another

[Doliva63]

Quote: pru-pavel

Captain of the reserve of the Airborne Forces. Quite a normal train of thought for landing. They were not taught another

He had long forgotten what he was taught. Otherwise, I would not have been a deputy, and even from the LDPR.

[D16]

He was well trained. He remembers. I wonder what you were taught. Or what did you do to forget everything.

[Doliva63]

Quote: D16

He was well trained. He remembers. I wonder what you were taught. Or what did you do to forget everything.

How do you know how they dragged him - did he bite you, or what?
What they taught me, only the GUK knows, where my personal file has long been in the "dead" section. So I didn't have to do anything.

[D16]

I see healthy logic in his sentence. There is no demand from the dead. Sprout further with spruce roots.

[Doliva63]

Quote: D16

I see healthy logic in his sentence. There is no demand from the dead. Sprout further with spruce roots.

Just no logic - man is alive. But these are the rules when they write off disability with deregistration.

[D16]

I see the logic in the proposal of a comrade from the LDPR. Defense wars do not win. When placing ground axes in Europe, the only adequate answer will be the VKS and Navy base in Venezuela. I think alteration of Escanders under 3M14 will not require much time.

[Greenwood]

Quote: D16

the only adequate answer will be the base of the aerospace forces and navy in Venezuela.

How do you explain at the international level the need to deploy any missiles there? For the United States, missiles in Europe are "confronting possible aggression from Iran" (with which the European states agree). And you? If you point directly to "US opposition," they will announce this as confirmation of Russia's militaristic policy. And then, together with European and friendly Asian countries, they will introduce such sanctions that the entire Russian economy will collapse. The ruble will collapse with lightning speed along with the living standards of Russians. And you will clearly have no time for confrontation with the United States.

[D16]

To whom and why explain something? Naturally, to counter the Wilayat of North America in the United States. No Taktgo Wilayat? Will be. Sanctions have long been imposed and Obama reported on torn to shreds. Do not believe the American president?

[Greenwood]

Quote: D16

I see healthy logic in his sentence

There is no logic. The current economic situation in Russia does not allow throwing money at military bases abroad. To do this, there must be a developed economy and a military-industrial complex (as in the USA and in the near future of China). And this is exactly what Russia needs to do first. And this is exactly what the deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation constantly offer. And only then stare at military bases.

[D16]

What's behind these conclusions? Hmeimim and Tartus are just an unbearable burden for a surplus budget? In addition, there is no need to fight in Venezuela yet. And if there are medium-range bases and eskanders, you definitely won’t have to fight.

[SHIPS]

If you break bricks and bottles against a Bosko, then you can put rockets in the Capitol. On the lawn.

[777-3-59-97]

You can go to Cuba, they’ll get it from there.

Leave Cuba alone. There, people are just starting to get better.

[Observer2014]

loki565

You can go to Cuba, they’ll get it from there.

Who will get it? Our us with our taxes? Or the standard of living of a worthy great country? You now desperately need to feed other than his people? A relic of the past.
Tactical missiles. No matter how good they are. They can not be compared with strategic ones. And also with new types of weapons. Especially with the underwater component of new Russian capabilities. If it’s about the war between the US and Russia. Well, against Europe and China .. Yes, as it should. So your Cuba is canceled. Our Iskanders are not against America from Cuba. We need them here. In Eurasia. Others will deal with America delivery vehicles.

[Leeds]

Bots do not get tired of minus common sense.

[loki565]

A very near vision, namely the threat of a retaliatory strike stops the United States from unleashing a great war. The presence of tactical missiles in Europe gives the illusion of an instant, de-icing strike. If scandals (or other complexes) are located at the side of American taxpayers, this will cool hotheads in the United States.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zaurbek

What complexes? We don’t have any ... ...!

You may not, but we have.
I don’t understand one thing. Why did everyone so sharply strain? After all, the INF Treaty was signed in favor of the United States, since the United States basically all of its medium-range missiles were air and sea-based, unlike the Soviet Union, in which medium-range missiles were mainly ground-based. Aegis ashore
causes such a sharp reaction, and the entry of fifty American cruisers Tomahawk to the Black Sea or American MAPL armed with Tomahawk missiles to our northern seas does not cause any reaction? The missiles are the same, but the reaction is different. Or American aircraft with their KR JAASM- Air-based ERs are even F-16, F-15. I don’t think it makes sense for the Americans to install their missile launchers on land fixed launchers. Marine and air missile launchers are more mobile and look preferable, at least for the United States. here the faint of heart already have tantrums about the Caribbean crisis 2.0 begin. Calmer. Recall how many land-based INF missiles have long been on the perimeter of our borders in the arsenal of China, North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, the same Kyrgyz Republic and calm down. I am already silent about ICBMs and SLBMs from different countries of the world. And now what to hang up?

[Zaurbek]

From Venezuela, Iskander will not shoot ... and then only Poplar.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zaurbek

From Venezuela, Iskander will not shoot ... and then only Poplar.

Install the Caliber on the Iskander-K KR, tested during launches from ships and submarines against militants in Syria and will fly, especially in the version with a special part, since it is easier.

[Zaurbek]

To do this, you must first do it .... you can cut Poplar and step.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Zaurbek

To do this, you must first do it.

you apparently fell out of real life .. for a long time ..

[Rostislav Bely]

Club-K or the platform for it from Iskander (launch containers and filling) is not long (you, like the deputy, are blowing air at the expense of the bases) ...
The 1999 Venezuelan Constitution clearly defines the procedure for the presence of foreign military contingents in the country: Article 13. The territory under no circumstances can be transferred, sold, leased or alienated either temporarily or partially to foreign states or other subjects of international law.
The geographical space of Venezuela is a peaceful zone. It is impossible to have foreign military bases or structures of a military nature on it, of any foreign power or coalition of foreign powers.
Foreign states or other subjects of foreign law may acquire real estate only for the purpose of locating their diplomatic missions or consulates within the scope of the definition and mutual guarantees with restrictions established by law. In this case, national sovereignty will always remain protected.
Unpopulated federal property, river and lake islands cannot be alienated; their use can be approved only under conditions that do not imply the direct or indirect transfer of land into ownership.

[Zaurbek]

It is possible, as in Soviet times, to paint the Kyrgyz Republic on Aeroflot. and open his representative office.

[Rostislav Bely]

Venezuela does not have its own agriculture (natural conditions), i.e. we can ensure food security for them ... We can, even before making an exchange of territories, providing them with some kind of site not far from North Korea or elsewhere - but get a nuclear submarine base with all the strike components, and when their economy can be built into our like the EAEU or CMEA, we can conclude a strategic military-economic union, the State Planning Committee has experience - accordingly, we can pull other countries of the region to our standards ...

[Local from the Volga]

Yes, the same as in your nickname!))

[Rostislav Bely]

what are you talking about, I didn’t understand your passage?

[Local from the Volga]

White is in use there, one can even mistake it for agriculture!

[Rostislav Bely]

you express yourself in understandable tricks, so to speak local in your own juice ...

[abc_alex]

cocaine

Quote: Rostislav Bely

express yourself to you in understandable tricks,

He means cocaine.

[Rostislav Bely]

Now I understand what the old man told the old woman - be healthy))) It is still more expedient to develop collective farms / kibbutzim there if in essence (industry - agricultural machinery; processing, storage and reproduction; leasing for the producer with compulsory purchases (plan) against the background of increased education and medicine) - I looked at the photos with them everything is primitive ... Yugoslavia flew under Tito economically without clear planning (when the enterprises decided what they would release), it ended with guest workers abroad ///

[Doliva63]

Quote: Rostislav White

Club-K or the platform for it from Iskander (launch containers and filling) is not long (you, like the deputy, are blowing air at the expense of the bases) ...
The 1999 Venezuelan Constitution clearly defines the procedure for the presence of foreign military contingents in the country: Article 13. The territory under no circumstances can be transferred, sold, leased or alienated either temporarily or partially to foreign states or other subjects of international law.
The geographical space of Venezuela is a peaceful zone. It is impossible to have foreign military bases or structures of a military nature on it, of any foreign power or coalition of foreign powers.
Foreign states or other subjects of foreign law may acquire real estate only for the purpose of locating their diplomatic missions or consulates within the scope of the definition and mutual guarantees with restrictions established by law. In this case, national sovereignty will always remain protected.
Unpopulated federal property, river and lake islands cannot be alienated; their use can be approved only under conditions that do not imply the direct or indirect transfer of land into ownership.

Gee. To take a missile brigade into the service of their army - business!

[Rostislav Bely]

decision center where will it be?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

Club-K or the platform for it from Iskander (launch containers and filling) is not long (you, like the deputy, are blowing air at the expense of the bases) ...

It is not simple. The complex carries out not only launch, but also the issuance of a flight mission to a rocket. What has been done for shooting at 500 km is not so easy to redo for shooting at 2000.

[Rostislav Bely]

Did I really say that it’s one, two, three ... but not for long, what to shoot from a boat / ship - what is from land, what is radish (what is the surface of the sea and the relief on the initial flight?)

[Zaurbek]

You won’t put it there either ... it’s in the accessibility of our motorized rifles and aviation.

[Amateur]

Today, 17:25 They will deliver it near Riga, near Kharkov. For example, near Mariupol for Bocharov Ruchey .. Flight time of a minute, Putin will not have time to run out of the briefcase.

At 17:25 put the question. At 17:41 you get into the feces. At 19:36

That is why in the posts of Russians the problem of feces prevails and everything connected with them?

Have you ever had time to wash. Or just dirty pens on the keyboard?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: NAVI

They will deliver it near Riga, near Kharkov. For example, near Mariupol for Bocharov Ruchey .. Flight time of a minute, Putin will not have time to run out of the briefcase.

What’s the point? They have these same missiles on their planes, ships and submarines. Why put these same missiles on stationary ground installations as good targets?

[SHIPS]

From harm, so that Skarebeeva and Masha had something to talk about :-)

[Local from the Volga]

We would go to navi to invent our fantasies, they will understand and be imbued there!

[SHIPS]

Well, here I can’t keep up with the Liberal Democratic Party with a broken head in Ryazan :-)

[Constructor68]

You and itch it your country 404 substitute for American installations. To get for them (instead of the Americans) get a nuclear enema.

[dr.star75]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

What’s the point? They have these same missiles on their planes, ships and submarines. Why put these same missiles on stationary ground installations as good targets?

Deployment time and flight time. To concentrate the strike forces from the Kyrgyz Republic on ships and aircraft, it takes a certain amount of time and actions, which, of course, will not remain invisible, and we will take retaliatory measures. But stationary launchers can be launched a few minutes after the personnel drank coffee. Plus flight time in minutes. The death of leadership and launchers. Our response (not even reciprocating) will be (if any) minimal.

[pru-pavel]

Because it is designed to "smell for the electorate" and not for some real security work.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

in the USA, basically all medium-range missiles were air and sea-based, unlike the USSR

You shouldn’t be so. The Tu-95 with the Kh-55 missiles was no less than the B-52 with the Agm-86. And the only US-based air missile was the Agm-86

[D16]

The United States basically all medium-range missiles were air and sea based,

As a child, the term "Pershing 2" was much better known than "Harpoon".

Recall how many land-based INF-based long-distance missiles have been around the perimeter of our borders in the arsenal of China, North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, the same Kyrgyz Republic and calm down.

Whose soul are they?

I don’t think that it makes any sense to the Americans to install their CDs on land stationary launchers.

Nevertheless, they launched the ground-based CRDC first. From the point of view of the educational process, this act cannot go unpunished.

[seregatara1969]

if necessary

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

What complexes? We don’t have any ... ...!

Well, why not?
First, you can land the X-102 \ 101 KR, just attach the launch accelerator and make the inclined launcher. 5500 km. - A very solid range and will cover the United States from Venezuela like a bull sheep.
Secondly, the "Caliber-M" will soon be tested with a range of up to 4500 km (the same "Caliber" with the diameter of "Onyx"), and Venezuela as a launching pad is also quite for him.
Thirdly, it is possible to resume the "Rubezh" program, which has been slowed down by the cries of the United States that it is violating the INF Treaty. Now it doesn't break anymore.
In addition, we can begin to deploy our long-range aviation at the aerodromes of Venezuela. So, on a rotational basis, two Tu-95 or Tu-160 pairs could be based there, and after completing work on the X-50 CR for the Tu-22M3M and adopting it, the Tu-22M3M squadron could also deploy at Venezuelan airfields.

It is clear that all this wealth must be covered from the air (air defense) and the sea (coastal missile defense systems and naval duty forces).

Where did the project money come from?
First of all, Venezuela itself can cover part of the costs, since the presence of such forces on its territory will guarantee its sovereignty and security (like American bases in Poland).
Secondly, the armed forces of Venezuela itself are the most modern and strong in the region, so we will carry out military cover together.
Thirdly, the costs of such a deployment of forces will be paid off by the profits of our companies in this country, and the budget will cover the tax revenues from these over time.
Fourth - at the moment, the national welfare fund is not only full to the eyeballs, but also crowded, and amounts to 7,2% of GDP, while it is necessary to spend it when reaching 7%. Therefore, all funds from the sale of energy, which previously went into the capsule from today (or rather a little earlier) must be spent. For development, healthcare, salaries for public sector employees and defense. By the end of this year, there will be more than 2 trillion of superplanned funds in the budget for this position alone (NWF). rub. , and next year - about 5 trillion. rub. With that kind of money, you can ward off the new economy for a couple of five-year plans, from scratch. Enough for defense and for the base in Venezuela. And even for the base in Cuba will remain.

[Separ]

you don't have, we have

[venik]

Quote: Zaurbek

What complexes? We don’t have any ... ...!

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YOU may not have it, but in Russia - FIND !!!

[cheburator]

I completely approve! We are Russians, God is with us!

[777-3-59-97]

We are Russians, God is with us!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: cheburator

We are Russians, God is with us!

"Did not do justice" Comedy Club))

[SHIPS]

Like the German soldiers "Gott mit uns" on the swarm plate?
Creative and tasteful :-)

[Ramzaj99]

Like the German soldiers "Gott mit uns" on the swarm plate?
Creative and tasteful :-)

Well, you know better what’s on the badge, you have UPA veterans, a variety of policemen and traitors to the motherland recognized as a national treasure))

[SHIPS]

Here is not even a victim of the exam.
UPA fought both with the Germans and with the Soviets.
What country traitors? You were probably born after the collapse of the USSR and not in the subject.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: NAVI

Here is not even a victim of the exam.

Actually, I have 2 children.

UPA fought both with the Germans and with the Soviets.

If the brain has a look at the percentage of killed UPA, I advise you to look for development.
The ratio of killed Soviet citizens and Nazis is something about 100 to 1 even more. What a one-sided war)).

Quote: NAVI

What country traitors?

The only Soviet!
404 The only country in the world where victory veterans are beaten on victory day and carried on the hands of traitors and accomplices of the Nazis from UNA-UNSO and SS division of Galichin.

[SHIPS]

You would have looked less than Solovyov. What is the percentage? KGB statistics led?
The Soviets nestled in the Baltic and Bukovina in 1939. People fought with the invaders. Is it really hard to understand?

[Voyager]

What do you dislike about Solovyov and the KGB statistics, does it really hurt your eyes? Well, this is a normal occurrence for residents of 404 and the Baltic states, they write the whole story at their own discretion, Tolkien is resting

[dr.star75]

Quote: NAVI

UPA fought with the Germans

The most famous battle of the UPA with the Wehrmacht: date, result. Where did the upa get its weapons, ammunition, personnel? etc....

[SHIPS]

Partisan action. Everything is online. So what are you portraying a fool for?
Are you a bot Do you get interlocutor answers?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: NAVI

Guerrilla actions.

Khatyn, Volyn reznya, Babi Yar, pogroms in Kiev and Lvov .... hmm .. but there was a civilian population and Ukrainian punishers were already armed during these "partisan actions". So where did the weapons come from and with whom did Nachtigall and Roland enter the USSR?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: NAVI

Here is not even a victim of the exam.
UPA fought both with the Germans and with the Soviets.
What country traitors? You were probably born after the collapse of the USSR and not in the subject.

What did Bandera forget on our website?

[kefan]

And what, quite a symmetrical answer to the mattresses, I can imagine how much the stench will rise.

[loki565]

No wonder they are trying to arrange a revolution there, so they figured out such an option

[lis-ik]

What can not be said before the election.

[lis-ik]

Quote: lis-ik

What can not be said before the election.

Those who minus. We have already seen how words did not "diverge from deeds." And more than once. blessed is he who believes.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: lis-ik

What can not be said before the election.

Those who minus. We have already seen how words did not "diverge from deeds." And more than once. blessed is he who believes.

Are you talking to yourself? You were so impressed by the President’s speech on the INF Treaty? Would you react more calmly or something?

[Sky strike fighter]

Venezuela is a very rich country, an oil producing country. (...) may even be spent on keeping them. This is about the security of Venezuela itself

Maybe there will even be a Caribbean crisis-2,

Venezuela will even be glad of such a proposal, since the deployment of Russian missile systems on its territory will ensure the country's security from the United States.

Well Comedian.

[Victoria-V]

If such conversations have begun, the end of Maduro is nearing. And do not go to a fortuneteller ...

[Kalmar]

Does the State Duma use some kind of globe, or do we have missile systems capable of reaching the United States from Venezuela? And they did not forget at all that there was a revolution and all that, i.e. can missiles end up in anyone’s hands? Some kind of addiction, to be honest.

[Dikson]

What stupidity and populism ... Moreover, at that moment when the states had already agreed on a practically military operation in Venezuela ..

[Radical]

The State Duma proposed the deployment of missile systems in Venezuela

Curious - why not in Cuba?

[dr.star75]

You will be surprised, but it looks like they are already preparing the infrastructure

[Alex Justice]

There is no oil in Cuba.

[yehat]

Smart, unlike dib_il, does not try to extinguish a fire with gasoline and does not play his games with a thimble, but does his job. To deploy missiles in Venezuela is utter stupidity, because
1. They can’t be protected, especially if the Americans take it seriously.
2. It’s easy to intercept them strategically - it’s enough to place destroyers with anti-ballistic missiles at one point (a narrow angle of fire, unlike Cuba)
3. Range - the target will be mainly the agricultural part of the country without industry.
4. Extremely precarious political situation (placing YAO there is simply insanity) - Americans even evacuated bombs from Turkey
5. Significant delivery problems
6. Inability to support the forces located there (weak fleet)
7. Venezuela is extremely vulnerable to the embargo and our bases will also be extremely vulnerable.
8. The threat of invasion from neighbors, especially Brazil.
9. The escalation of tension is much easier for the United States than for us.
10. How to deliver? Do Americans and their Latino friends just want this to come to them?

I think you can write another 20 points that put a bold cross on this idea today.

[Zaurbek]

You still add how many people additionally need to be placed to the desired nuclear weapons in Latin America

[yehat]

I do not know, listed only part of the strategic premises
that’s what it’s really useful to place in Venezuela — it’s a transport terminal and a reconnaissance center, it could be to build an airfield and a range for arms trade.
Venezuela is an excellent springboard for developing heavy oil refining technologies.
It is mainly only with them and with us.

[Izotovp]

It is better to have our ships, planes and submarines in constant rotation with the approach to Cuba.
And in other friendly and not so places)

[Zaurbek]

We have such a deficit

[Yngvar]

Our submarines (APRK and not only) are on duty in those waters anyway, so I suppose there is no point in raising an extra "wave" in the North American viper, at least for now ...

[Zaurbek]

Me too .... and if there is any extra money, build another couple of nuclear submarines of the Kyrgyz Republic or BR.

[The Siberian barber]

Populism, among our deputies, is always in abundance ...

[Amateur]

At the same time, the parliamentarian is confident that Venezuela will even be glad of such a proposal, since the deployment of Russian missile systems on its territory will ensure the country's security from the United States.

And wash the boots.
Not only in the Indian Ocean, but everywhere. Where there are lawyers.

[donavi49]

Well, in the State Duma, different things are blurt out, but here is a mistake by a series of points:
1) Distance. Still in Bolivia offered. To New York fly 3,5 km. This is certainly closer than with Russia (~ 6000km) - but not so critical. In any case, the necessary BRDS and they will have a fairly long flight period, even to Florida - 2400km. For comparison - Americans will immediately begin to deploy complexes in the Baltic states and Ukraine. This is 300km to St. Petersburg and 600km to Moscow. The specified line in 2400km when placed in Ukraine and the Baltic states this is the level of defeat - Tyumen, the new Urengoy and Surgut. That is, almost the entire depth of the country.

2) "Venezuela is a very rich country." I am under the table. The deputy must be sent to a very rich country, preferably without protection. No, theoretically, she is rich. But this is only theoretically. So, this is a traditional oil-banana country = a country of forests with 1 paper mill, as the dollars for Finnish paper ceased to be enough, and the paper crisis has come. A country of fertile soils and a rich sea, where even food security is not ensured, that is, if Colombia stops selling food, natural hunger will begin there. Oil country = where all power supply is held at the same base power plant and an old shunting fund. If the base hydroelectric station is everything, then the whole country flies into blackout for weeks.

3) Logistics. What are we taking? BDK then across the Atlantic after the Syrian Express will not be taken out. There, so there is almost no resource left, but here. To break off a car in the ocean and go in tow for a thousand kilometers, and even in an ordinary storm, is such a thing. I am already silent that in the Atlantic you can get into a storm that exceeds the constructive limit of the Polish BDK and play in the Titanic. Which is also so-so. Fly - only through Syria, to the range limit of IL-62 / Ruslan. And there the stakes can be hammered, that is, forced to fly around the Mediterranean Sea - despite the fact that even + 300km can become critical (because there is no reserve in range).

[Evil Booth]

oil in Venezuela is 3 times more than in the Russian Federation. the truth is even more expensive to mine.

[donavi49]

Oil is not dollars, and generally not an indicator of a rich country. Sherin - clearly hints at the Polish version, where Venezuelans pay the base. Well, that’s a dime for that (there China owes a lot of money, Russia, they owe everything to the whole). Even with oil, not everything is so simple, although the Chinese are trying to maintain production, replacing the sanction.

And then, the point of having oil? Their processing is rather weak (well, again, the classic Papuan instead of bananas is oil, we will buy the rest through the sale of bananas, that is, oil). Oil is already under sanctions.

[Sky strike fighter]

This is certainly closer than with Russia (~ 6000 km) - but not so critical. In any case, the necessary BRDS and they will have a fairly long flight period, even to Florida - 2400km.

RS-26 to help. For him, the figure is especially relevant 6000 km and with the speed of order.

The indicated milestone of 2400 km when deployed in Ukraine and the Baltic states is the level of defeat - Tyumen, the new Urengoy and Surgut. That is, almost the entire depth of the country.

And you calculate the launch range of Tomahawk SLCMs from American MAPLs from our northern seas to the same depth, but at the same time count the number of SLCMs per one MAPL and the total number of MAPLs in service with the USA and compare them with the possible number of Tomahawk CRMs when installed on Aegis Ashore, when In this case, in one case, Aegis Ashore is a good target, and in the other, MAPL must still be found, and you will understand that the Americans do not need to sculpt a hunchback.

[donavi49]

1) I already wrote in another topic - the fleet has a significant problem. It can be tracked, and this deployment must begin long before the action. The exit at once 2 / 3 Virginia and Elk, Ohio drums and all living Berks / Tick = will be opened and questions will appear, time for making decisions, corrections, etc. Aviation is similar, massive transfers and rises cannot be hidden.

Only a stationary base or fleet of mobile soil complexes can provide a sudden blow. That is, there is a measured life, a year, two, three, five, ten, then the keys to the start and after a minute and a half, the whole ammunition is already flying to the goals. The base is empty and completed the task. It is practically impossible to control it (it will shoot off faster than the answer arrives, even wound up on the automated control system and worked out in automatic mode = which no one will do).

2) Aegis Ashore is a missile defense facility, whatever they say. It has at least some value, namely, as an object of missile defense. And it justifies its money (or not) as an object of missile defense. As a strike base, it is useless. HOWEVER, the technologies for installing standard MK-41 on the ground have been fully developed. New bases of this standard will not have the most expensive link (they do not need it), only launcher fields (say in 24 or 48 in the block - to shoot the entire base in 1 a minute), the basic infrastructure for loading, storage, unloading and launchers bunker. The cost of such a base will be quite low.

3) Axes is the first fire variant. Which became possible thanks to corporate American unification. BRDS in work. I will be very disappointed in the Americans, if they really are such that they broke the contract without trump cards, that is, without taking their topic to the stage when hiding becomes difficult. I will put on 2020 the start of their BRDS.

As for the PC-26 - so, you need to somehow overcome the take-off area. The Americans are rich guys, they can also put a missile defense base in Colombia + allocate 3-4 Burke to a permanent presence with a support base in Puerto Rico. That is, the PC-26 will be hit on the runway.

[yehat]

Quote: Izotovp

It is better to have our ships, planes and submarines in constant rotation with the approach to Cuba.

for what purpose? the constant presence of each soldier costs money.

[Mixanchik]

This is of course PR, obviously Zhirinovsky put forward the initiative .... There are many other opportunities that are more effective and unexpected for the "partners", perhaps they are already on duty or another option ..
It is useless to threaten Russia, and the West knows and angers it. But we can’t get us involved in the arms race, as in the days of the USSR .. And I smell the US genes for this. First, force Russia to increase its military budget several times, and then lower the price of oil and all sorts of protests, etc. ..All your plans have long been on Putin’s table, he’s a grated kalach.
It’s better to agree on equal terms otherwise the Maidan will start on you ..

[kit88]

All your plans have long been on Putin’s table ...

- Vladimir Vladimirovich, have you read the plans of the Americans?
- Hm, I wrote them ...

[yehat]

Quote: Kalmar

Does the State Duma use some kind of globe, or do we have missile systems capable of reaching the United States from Venezuela? And they did not forget at all that there was a revolution and all that, i.e. can missiles end up in anyone’s hands? Some kind of addiction, to be honest.

and we will have a submarine with a Sakharov torpedo)))

[KVU-NSVD]

The deputy is PR, pouring into the stream, so to speak, there is no responsibility, well, not a chat. Does Venezuela even ask? They need this hemorrhoid?

[boriz]

As always ...
And did someone ask Venezuela?

[Klingon]

to begin with, put inflatable models in Venezuela - let the striped yap, and then slowly pull up the real systems))
the same 9M729 I think you can not very bother to bring in range * to mind *, ours always lay in the development potential for modernization. Well, there are MiGs with daggers

[Mavrikiy]

Refresh and remind:
Mavrikiy 1 Yesterday
The thing to do is to oppose, and not to tongue strum. To deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba, Chukotka.
maxim947 (Maxim) Yesterday,
We would be glad, but first of all, Cuba and Venezuela are afraid, firstly, we have no money for this. These are psheks and so forth. They pay for mattresses with their mattresses, it will fly us a penny
Quote: maxim947
We would be glad, but first of all, Cuba and Venezuela are afraid, firstly, we have no money for this. These are psheks and so forth. They pay for mattresses with their mattresses, it will fly us a penny
Mavrikiy
Not more expensive than our lives.
Doliva63 (Valentine) Yesterday,
Quote: Mavrikiy
Not more expensive than our lives.
In the yard of capitalism, few people are interested in your life.
Hi boor from Shein:

The most effective response to the American test of medium-range ground-based missiles will be the deployment of Russian systems closer to the United States, for example, in Venezuela. This opinion was expressed by First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Alexander Sherin.

[anjey]

An air transshipment base with Tu-95 and Tu-160 would suit the Yankees let them wonder with what stuffing the strategists have flown X-102 at 5000 km with hook, steers ...

[Mavrikiy]

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Defense, the Foreign Ministry and other ministries to think through a symmetrical response to the US test of the Tomahawk medium-range missiles from the Mk.41 ground installation.

Well, they got answers to the symmetric ones, we’ll fill up a couple of US nuclear submarines and the red light in Trump’s head will turn on, don’t joke with Russia, they don’t forget anything and don’t forgive.

[Piramidon]

The State Duma proposed the deployment of missile systems in Venezuela

In the State Duma, some pseudo-patriots, as well as on this website, have patriotism-ostentatious nonsense off the scale. Have these tyryndychikhs already agreed with the governments of the countries on whose territory they, for the sake of their PR company, are going to place all the weapons? They remind me of the local pluses collectors. If only to blather. And how to do it, let all of you have a headache. All this populist crap comes from Volfovich, who threatens all his meaningless fists from the rostrum.

[Kenxnumx]

This person in the State Duma drowns for defense? And what will we place there. As if more than 3 thousand km. These are the missiles that we do not have under the agreement? Or what.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Ken71

This person in the State Duma drowns for defense? And what will we place there. As if more than 3 thousand km. These are the missiles that we do not have under the agreement? Or what.

Is Israeli intelligence starting to gather information?

[Kenxnumx]

Maxim, for people who do not understand the Russian text, I will explain on the fingers. In response to the violation by the Americans of the treaty, the Duma deputy proposes to deploy missiles that also violate the treaty. Thus, he confirms that we violated the contract first. It dawned on how this very gifted man set us up

[Sky strike fighter]

So he meant to place it in the future when the infantry ballistic registers were ready, and not now. So no one set anyone up. Do not invent. But SLCMs, such as Caliber, did not fall under the contract, and after leaving the INF Treaty, the same Caliber can be place on a land launcher, such as Iskander-K. And it will be legal, because the contract is no longer there.

[Kenxnumx]

What he had in mind is unknown to us, but what he said is written. In fact, we should not have such missiles right now. A very knowledgeable person says that they need to be posted. And not so fast to develop and implement a launcher. But I liked your second speech much more.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

If Venezuela certainly gives the green light to this, then the striped ones will give a good answer and at the same time will cool them a little. And even better in Cuba, there is already a platform for this.

[shubin]

Yeah, right now, they will unleash the second Caribbean crisis! The navel will be untied to untie, not that caliber in power.

[Old26]

In topic Russian general spoke about the possible deployment of US missiles in Europe I wrote

And now everyone will earn political capital on this. Including and offering to deploy missiles in Cuba, Venezuela, Chukotka. And in principle, it doesn’t matter how true what politicians say. The main advocacy background.

And here you are. True LDPRovets began to PR. Without even looking at the map ...

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

You may not. And we have

Maxim! Well, stop fumbling. It doesn't suit you. So far, we don’t have anything to place in Venezuela so that it would hit targets in the United States.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

I don’t understand one thing. Why did everyone strain so sharply? After all, the INF Treaty was signed in favor of the United States, since the United States basically all of its medium-range missiles were air and sea based,

In favor of the United States were only two positions from the entire treaty. They were able to force us to "cut" the "Oka" complex and at the same time the treaty eliminated the imbalance in the nuclear warheads between the USSR and the USA.
The United States also had a sufficient number of medium-range missiles, albeit less than in the USSR. Although this agreement did not apply to medium-range air and sea missiles, the EMNIP had a limit of 820 on naval RSDs. The number of air-launched missiles was not considered at all by this agreement. Restrictions on air-based missiles were under the OSV-2 agreement. So both the sea and air components associated with the Kyrgyz Republic and we, and they retained. Although the number of such missiles in the United States was greater

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Why is the Aegis Ashore provoking such a sharp reaction, and the entry of American cruisers with fifty KM Tomahawk into the Black Sea or American MAPLs armed with the KR Tomahawk into our northern seas does not cause any reaction?

An interesting question. IMHO there is more propaganda hype than reality. To begin with, Aegis Ashore bases are limited in the number of launchers. There are 24 of them in Romania, and the same number is planned in Poland. IMHO such a reaction to the same base in Romania is a consequence, if I may say so, of our "resentment". When the question arose that the Americans would place a missile defense base there, we suggested making it a joint one. The Americans did not agree, since we could not offer them anything as a missile defense system. But despite this, they seem to have agreed to admit our inspectors there on a permanent basis. We proudly refused such a "handout". After that, the propaganda flywheel began to spin
And if the base in Redzikowo (Poland) at least somehow poses a threat to the territory of Russia if they are equipped with Tomahawks. even this is impossible to say about the base in Deveselu. The base is located closer to Bulgaria than to Ukraine, and the existing "axes" at the very limit can reach objects in the Central Military District of Russia, in the same Kursk region. A little bit. And even then, if they go through Ukraine in an ideal straight line. Exception - Crimea

Quote: NAVI

They will deliver it near Riga, near Kharkov. For example, near Mariupol for Bocharov Ruchey .. Flight time of a minute, Putin will not have time to run out of the briefcase.

What they have now is cruise missiles. The speed is about 850. From Bocharov Ruchey to Mariupol - 400 km, half an hour of rocket summer (and not a few minutes). Okay, Riga, it’s clear, almost 2,5 hundred from the Russian border. But near Kharkov, in the reach of the barrel artillery and MLRS? Unlikely. It’s stupid to deploy such objects in 3 tens of kilometers

Quote: Kalmar

Does the State Duma use some kind of globe ?.

Yes, the globe of the Moscow region

Quote: Kalmar

or do we have missile systems capable of reaching the United States from Venezuela? .

No, but you have to PR ...

Quote: Kalmar

And they did not forget at all that there was a revolution and all that, i.e. can missiles end up in anyone’s hands? Some kind of addiction, to be honest.

Well, one can expect a lot from Vladimir Volfovich’s ally ...

Quote: yehat

Smart, unlike dib_il, does not try to extinguish a fire with gasoline and does not play his games with a thimble, but does his job. To deploy missiles in Venezuela is utter stupidity, because
1. They can’t be protected, especially if the Americans take it seriously.
2. It’s easy to intercept them strategically - it’s enough to place destroyers with anti-ballistic missiles at one point (a narrow angle of fire, unlike Cuba)
3. Range - the target will be mainly the agricultural part of the country without industry.
4. Extremely precarious political situation (placing YAO there is simply insanity) - Americans even evacuated bombs from Turkey
5. Significant delivery problems
6. Inability to support the forces located there (weak fleet)
7. Venezuela is extremely vulnerable to the embargo and our bases will also be extremely vulnerable.
8. The threat of invasion from neighbors, especially Brazil.
9. The escalation of tension is much easier for the United States than for us.
10. How to deliver? Do Americans and their Latino friends just want this to come to them?

I think you can write another 20 points that put a bold cross on this idea today.

You wrote everything correctly, or rather almost everything. Even if we change the software in Iskander and launch it along a classical trajectory, rather than a quasi-ballistic one, the range will increase 3 times, that is, up to about 1500-2000 km, but this will not be enough to hit targets in the United States. And destroyers from "Aegis" will reduce this threat to zero
And in reality, you can only use "Caliber" with a special charge, which have a range of about 2500 km, but
firstly, these subsonic missiles easily go astray. For three hours of summer, air safaris can be arranged for them
secondly, the question is, where do these missiles go? The accuracy of such missiles (both ours and theirs) is determined by comparing an electronic map of the area with pre-set data, plus control over the navigation satellite system. Where such a missile gets after 2 hours of flight above the water surface is unknown. Only one thing can be said for sure. Doesn’t hit the target

[anjey]

Quote: Old26

Where such a missile gets after 3 hours of flight above the water surface is unknown. Only one thing can be said for sure. Doesn’t hit the target

In general, for missiles flying over the ocean, the bottom topography with waypoints is scanned in advance and also, the rockets are pre-loaded into the computer-navigation system .... but why are the X-102 bad for you ??? Range over the continental United States is suitable ...

[Old26]

Quote: Piramidon

And how to do this, let all of you have a headache.

I remembered the old-old joke
A train. Coupe. A Georgian is sitting at the table. The door opens and a kind of slender subject enters with glasses, with a briefcase. In short, classically intelligent. They sit silently for half an hour, an hour. finally, the intellectual could not stand it and says:
- "Well, let's at least talk about something, you can play with words ..."
- "What other words" - asks the Georgian
- "yes to any. For example, I ask a question, and if you do not answer ... -then the intellectual began to think
"Listen," the Georgian interrupted him. If you ask, but I don't answer, I'll pay you 10 rubles. And if I ask and you don't answer - 50 "
The intellectual thought and agreed to the terms of the game. It fell to him to ask the first question. and he asked
- "Wto was the first cosmonaut of the planet?"
The Georgian thought for a second, then reached into his wallet, took out a gold piece and with the words "Wow, why should I know this" handed it to the intellectual. A few seconds and the Georgian says - "ask more"
The second question was just as easy - the capital of the USSR. The Georgian thought, took out another gold piece and with the words "Wah, why should I know this" he handed it to the intellectual. Then came the third question: "Who is the general secretary of the Central Committee." With the words "Wah, why do I need to know this, the Georgian held out the third gold piece.

Have changed. Now the Georgian asks a question
- "He walks on one leg, approaches a tree on two legs, climbs a tree on three legs, climbs off a tree on four legs, moves away from a tree on five legs, leaves on six legs"
The intellectual thought for a long time, but did not come up with anything, takes out a half-hundred from his wallet, hands it to the Georgian. But interest is bursting and after a couple of minutes he asks: "What is it, what did you tell me about here?"
The Georgian takes out a gold piece, hands it to the intellectual with the words "Wah, why should I know this"
One gets the impression that such deputies as a Georgian from the anecdote - "Wah, why should I know this. Why should I know if there is something. How to deliver and so on. And this, by the way, is the Deputy Chairman for Defense of the State Duma

[Old26]

Quote: anjey

Actually, for missiles flying over the ocean, the bottom topography with waypoints is pre-scanned and also pre-uploaded to the computer-based navigation system of the rocket .... why are the X-102 bad for you ??? Range over the continental United States is suitable ...

Maxim! Fear God, what is the previously scanned relief of the bottom? Okay, you can scan. BUT correction areas are squares with a maximum area of ​​one kilometer per kilometer. How many such correction sites can they take? And how are you going to scan platforms at the bottom at depths of several hundred meters with the instruments that are on the cruise missile ????

[anjey]

Even on the old X-55 stood, and still stands, a Doppler terrain meter that allows it to fly both over land and over the water surface and X-102 in the light of the latest achievements of science and technology, I hope even cooler

[anjey]

On strategic missiles, the terrain is scanned from satellites in advance and a route is laid to stationary, strategic goals ...

[ilya63]

we need to negotiate with China !!!! They are building a base in Venisuela and we are in Cuba !! This will be the answer from which not only the United States but the whole world will be in shock!

[APASUS]

You don’t have to turn to permanent, you can act like Americans. It’s necessary that our submarine would always be in Venezuela

[Local from the Volga]

Why not, if it allows you to take control of oil and ps! Also with a slide will remain! It’s time to act like the West-brazenly and profitably!

[Radical]

Quote: dr.star75

You will be surprised, but it looks like they are already preparing the infrastructure

I have not been surprised at anything for a long time ....

[Andryukha G]

Hohloboty with their silly comments lifted up

[senima56]

Making the decision to place our missiles in Cuba, N. Khrushchev said: "We must put a hedgehog in the pants of the Americans!" Here I fully support him! And then, American missiles in Turkey is possible, and Soviet missiles in Cuba - "What are you, are you crazy!"

[Old26]

Quote: anjey

Even on the old X-55 stood, and still stands, a Doppler terrain meter that allows it to fly both over land and over the water surface and X-102 in the light of the latest achievements of science and technology, I hope even cooler

Right That's just the relief exists on land. Not yet created an electronic map of the water surface. And most of the X-55 trajectory went on inertial. At the same time, no one can say what the accuracy of the X-55 was, as well as the AGM-86, if they were launched from afar. You can come up with a lot of tricks, the system really becomes more complicated, and nobody canceled the accumulation of errors in the inertial.
By the way, that is why the Americans tried to launch both the "axes" and the AGM-86 closer to the coast in order to guarantee the first section of the correction. The same "Calibers" from the Caspian Sea were launched from a distance of about 100 km from the coast

[white]

only enemies of the Russian Federation can offer to place something in Cuba, Venezuela, etc. This will give an occasion to deploy US missiles in the Baltic states (NATO countries) Ukraine is not even needed! and the flight time to St. Petersburg and Moscow will be faster than to Washington from Cuba, and even more so to Venezuela, the problem of isolation and supply, as well as the weakness of local regimes and the uncertainty of whom the new government will wave to there!

[Grits]

Quote: wit

only enemies of the Russian Federation can offer to place something in Cuba, Venezuela, etc. This will give an occasion to deploy US missiles in the Baltic states (NATO countries) Ukraine is not even needed!

I think that in our leadership there are no fools either, no more stupid than you. And to place such systems in these countries will be as a response only after the Yankees begin to stick them in Europe

[Bagatur]

And Venezuela was asked?

[Karaul14]

and Venezuela is a very rich country

Where is she rich in?

Maybe there will even be a Caribbean crisis-2

There will be a Venezuelan crisis, only Russia is not the USSR and if Turkey shots down a Russian plane and there’s nothing for it, then the United States will do whatever it wants, right up to the invasion of Venezuela.

[Grits]

Quote: Karaul14

Where is she rich in?

Underground. In a place called the neighborhood of Lake Maracaibo

[forty-eighth]

Venezuela is a very rich country

The best I read in a day

[Chaldon48]

Ash need to be built at an accelerated pace, then rockets will always appear at the right time and in the right place.

[Grits]

Quote: NAVI

Iskanders can put out fires in Siberia. There is such a way, by explosion.

Iskander is better to create fires. There is such a way, by explosion. True in enemy territory.
And the fires in Siberia are not extinguished by expensive Iskanders, but by special units and special equipment

[Karaul14]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Karaul14

Where is she rich in?

Underground. In a place called the neighborhood of Lake Maracaibo

Their oil is of such a grade that it needs to be diluted with lighter oil and then already sold, the United States imposed sanctions on Venezuela and they cannot buy or sell oil, the only reason they still haven't died is the tropical climate and a huge hydroelectric power station providing the whole country there, as such, is no longer there, and the number of refugees is already measured in millions.

[gregor6549]

Rave. That would be worse than the Caribbean crisis.
Firstly, the Americans were not at all afraid of Soviet missiles and aircraft deployed in Cuba, but simply raised the alarm of all their nuclear and non-nuclear forces and were ready to start a full-scale war with the USSR, the USSR responded in the same way, announcing an alarm to itself.
Secondly, a GRU officer Penkovsky, previously recruited by the CIA, informed the Americans that there was essentially nothing to adequately respond to the Americans' blow to the USSR.
The world was also lucky that the President of the United States at that time was John F. Kennedy, who, together with his closest aides, managed to cool the ardor of the American "hawks" who insisted on an immediate nuclear strike against Cuba and the USSR. He also informed Nikita Khrushchev that he was bluffing, to put it mildly, and agree with him to slow down the Caribbean Crisis.
Now the situation is somewhat different, but the United States has other possibilities. They will be able to detect the transportation of Russian missiles to Venezuela by sea or by air long before the arrival of these missiles in place and put in place a number of countermeasures,
And it is not at all possible that they will inflict a preemptive strike on transports with missiles, and if this does not help, it is quite possible that on Russia. Trump is not Kennedy and you can expect anything from him. But now Russia is not the USSR, the former USSR allies under the Warsaw Treaty fled to NATO, the former republics of the Union are also unlikely to be eager to fight with Russia, i.e. Today, Russia is alone and is hardly ready for a full-scale war with the States and their allies.

[Big Cat]

Well, what are you ... we are throwing about 6000 military strike drones in the USA and about 7000-8000 sea-based cruise missiles with our caps, and then we’ll shy away from Venezuela .... than only ... well, apparently with earflaps ... This scenario without the use of nuclear weapons if that ...

[nobody111body]

but from this very "Caribbean crisis" the collapse of the USSR began because a handful of American Jews equated us with the Papuans who are unable to stand up for themselves - as for the high cost of accommodation, well, one "our Vladimir" will not pull this business too weak in front of "copper Jewish pipes" Kim Jong and Comrade Xi are quite decisive people and should be placed together; Well, the high cost of how the "residents" of Israel scare us here - so the base in Syria - and Syria does not have oil and we help the Syrians so much why not support Nicholas

[Big Cat]

What will we post there

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Alexander Sherin, is just a fool and idle talk !!!

What was he going to place in Venezuela? From Venezuela to the USA 3000 km in a straight line and it is from edge to edge !!! Poplars and Ash?

And with what joy will the Venezuelan authorities allow it? Yes, even if Maduro allows it, where is the guarantee that a pro-Western politician will not come to power tomorrow and will not demand to get out of there ?!

And interestingly does Sherin imagine how much the base supply in the other hemisphere will cost?

It will be much harder to supply such a base and ensure its security than the tighter in Tartus, and in the event of a conflict we won’t be able to cover it with anything, since the United States and its allies have multiple superiority in everything from aviation to aircraft carriers that will allow chips and base and all missile systems, ending with multi-purpose nuclear submarines which will not be allowed to approach any ship or vessel.

The maximum we can answer is the call of our missile frigates, pr. 22350, to the ports of Cuba on a friendly visit.

Operational information about Sherin, this State Duma deputy took a loan from a Ryazan bank Zhivago for an expensive SUV and until he was sued for not paying a loan, he did not make a single payment, after going to court he ran screaming and several lawyers in the bank and repaid the loan with debt.

Sherin is not only a fool, but also impudent and a scoundrel.

[Old26]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And interestingly does Sherin imagine how much the base supply in the other hemisphere will cost?

And yesterday, after 18.00, I wrote that after the general’s speech, now everyone will start to PR, offering to set up bases anywhere, but not thinking at all how everything will be guarded, supplied, etc.