In China, completed the assembly of a new generation spacecraft

In China, the assembly of the first flight model of a promising manned partially reusable spacecraft was completed. As transmits "Nplus1"The new ship is designed to deliver astronauts to a future orbital station.

Chinese engineers completed the assembly of the first flight model of a manned spacecraft for the delivery of astronauts to the orbital station or flights to the moon. The new apparatus consists of two parts; habitable capsule and service module. At the same time, the service module will be reusable, however, after each return to the ground, it will be necessary to change the heat shield on it. The manned ship is designed for delivery from two to six astronauts. Depending on the modification, the mass of the device will be from 14 to 20 tons.

In China, they say that the new ship will be launched into orbit with the help of the Changzheng-5 B heavy rocket, the first flight of which will take place at the end of this or next year. The rocket will put into orbit a new spacecraft, which will fly in an unmanned version. Prior to this, the developers tested the landing platform, in 2016, sending a spacecraft model into space. The tests were considered successful.

It can be noted that China is catching up with the American companies SpaceX and Boeing, creating their own manned ships. SpaceX already sent its ship Crew Dragon on the first unmanned flight to the ISS, but then she lost it due to an explosion in tests.

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[machinistvl]

This is to be expected, China is catching up.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: machinistvl

China is catching up.

Already overtakes.

[maxim947]

And we can’t supplement everything with the Federation ... But the Chinese are well done, what else can I say

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Svarog

maybe elbasy wanted to write?

Pepelats or Gravitsapa!

[slipped]

Quote: Svarog

This is photoshop or seriously.

This is a photo-toad, from those who burn.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Svarog

This is photoshop or seriously.

This is a photo-toad, from those who burn.

no need to be offended, people discuss, joke ... this is the norm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-LzvDpf1Y

[slipped]

Quote: Nikolay87

no need to be offended, people discuss, joke ... this is the norm

No one is offended. You asked - I answered. And on the neighbor’s fence, you can also write a three-letter word in jealousy of his successes. The neighbor from this will not be hot, not cold.

[svp67]

Quote: machinistvl

China is catching up.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Already overtakes.

Quote: maxim947

But we can’t add everything to the Federation ..

It will be very "sad" if the Chinese not only overtake, but also that their KK will be "twin" with our "Federation."

[Berkut24]

Well, the Chinese are not just catching up, but continue to experiment and look for their own way. That we, that the Americans, that everyone else is asking themselves the question - what the heck of all these costs? In the USSR, they sought prestige and military parity without considering the stage. The first satellite, the first man in space, the first manned space walk, orbital stations ... And so it was in all industries. Therefore, the price for all the "prestige" was not elevated and the country was blown away. even to the ISS, we carry more passengers. what we ourselves are doing there doing some experiments.
The Americans also sought prestige, but as soon as it was received on the moon, the program was curtailed. Then came the scientific spacecraft, which were military-motivated. Seyas prestige on Mars, but already somehow sluggish ... Why is it that the Amerikans people on Mars US Treasury is difficult to explain.
Tasks in space are becoming increasingly utilitarian. Man is gradually being replaced by automation. So far there is no goal that would justify the increased cost of funds for new technologies. Many of the dreams of humanity have already come true, but it is difficult to convince everyone around in new dreams.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

You write Berkut24

What are we, that the Americans, that everyone else poses the question - and why the hell are all these costs?

—- Because "humanity does not always live in a cradle!"
—- Space exploration is an incredible accelerator of technological progress.
—- Russia has no choice to keep up
—-SSSR - pioneer of space .... because SATELLITE AND GAGARIN !!!
—–Because a person CAN!
—- Because it is in favor of Russia's defense capability
—- Because this is an important issue of PRESTIGE OF RUSSIAN CIVILIZATION AND CONSTABILITY, THIS IS QUALITY OF RIGID POWER!

[Berkut24]

Now look at all this from the side of the budget, where there are more pressing and tangible problems. What do we need now - a flight to Mars in 30 years or an increase in pension for the generation of people who wrote and did everything you wrote? This applies to Russia. But in other countries there are similar dilemmas.

[astepanov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Already overtakes.

This is called catching up? the production of the Federation flight model (or whatever Rogozin renamed it) is scheduled for 2020. And the dates can be rescheduled. But what the flight tests will be carried out is unknown, because there is no missile of the corresponding class.

[slipped]

Quote: astepanov

Quote: Ingvar 72

Already overtakes.

This is called catching up? the production of the Federation flight model (or whatever Rogozin renamed it) is scheduled for 2020.

Federation is the name of a series of ships in OCD. Each ship will have its own name.

Quote: astepanov

But what they will perform flight tests on is unknown, because there are no missiles of the corresponding class.

Unfortunately, Kazakhstan cannot start financing the reconstruction of site 45 of the Baikonur cosmodrome, which was returned to it earlier from the Russian lease.

Therefore, the launch of the NPP prototype will most likely take place from the Amur spacecraft of the Vostochny cosmodrome in 2023, on the Angara-A5P launch vehicle. At the moment, the construction of this spacecraft is underway at the Vostochny cosmodrome with a deadline for completion in 2022-23.

[Potato]

The USSR did not fall apart from this. Lies.

[Nevsky_ZU]

There is no space, world masons, played in a bottle, who the next will be honored to extend faith in space flights
On the side of China, powerful video cards and processors, the flag will not develop this time on the moon, there will be a decent dent from the landing, Robot Fedor will take off the moon, and not the mysterious operator, the tycoonauts will fly tired this time, without peppy, and will undergo daily recovery)

[eagle owl]

In response, the United States will launch Ilona Mask riding on a Panasonic battery in the direction of the Pleiades constellation, which will shame China's space program in the eyes of sectarians all over the planet.

[Mixanchik]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Robot Fedor will take off from the moon, and not the mysterious operator, the taikonauts will fly tired this time, without peppy, and will undergo a daily recovery)

Everything can be Vyacheslav! Thanks laughed .. Our mysterious FEDOR, will still show himself in all its glory and perspective ..

[Svarog]

I wonder how Rogozin comments on such news? The Chinese are progressing, and every year faster. One gets the feeling that they already caught up with us in everything and in many ways surpassed us ..

[Voyager]

And what, Rogozin, we determine the budget for space programs? Rogozin steers with the tools that he is given out and that, only one year.

[Svarog]

Quote: Voyager

And what, Rogozin, we determine the budget for space programs?

Quote: Voyager

Rogozin steers

You see, the journalist and the cosmos are certainly compatible .. if Rogozin wrote articles about outer space, but when he manages .. and even more so, we already knew what manager he was and how much money was spent when he managed .. not necessarily him .. but with his sensitive guidance ... in general, we have a worrying space future ..
Have you ever wondered why we have people who have no education in these areas at important posts? And why, when they do not succeed, they are transferred to other responsible posts .. although they need to be transferred to other places ..

[Voyager]

Quote: Svarog

and even more so, we already learned what kind of manager he was and how much money was spent when he managed ..

It is possible in more detail to what exactly claims with respect to Rogozin, I don’t know. But I know that in recent years we have had very definite successes in the work of the military-industrial complex and that Rogozin has contributed to this work. Criticism should be based on the results of the work and the results. You criticize not even that not for the results, which you can’t get for a year of work in the rotten sphere, but simply out of principle.

Quote: Svarog

Have you ever wondered why we have people who have no education in these areas at important posts?

Counterquestion. Kuzhugetovich is also out of place according to your logic?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Voyager

Rogozin steers with the tools that he is given out and that, only one year.

It depends on how he drives. These tools can be directed to the development of the industry, or they can be “down the drain”.
Py.Sy. I'm not talking about all sorts of "pockets" - they will peck and minus.

[K-612-O]

And what is expressed in the wind?

[Piramidon]

Quote: K-612-O

And what is expressed in the wind?

Well, at least, for funding and subsequent correction of the jambs of the builders of "Vostochny". This is so, on a vskidku, without digging in the internet. What do they have there for "subsidence of the ground"? Have you saved on research? 10 billion to the wind.

[K-612-O]

Kosyachniki then crouched in the end, and this is also the result. And such a large-scale construction, in spite of all the jambs, causes only pride. Or do you propose to drop everything and without finishing building anything quietly crawl onto the churchyard, covered with a sheet?

[Piramidon]

Quote: K-612-O

offer to drop everything and without finishing building anything quietly crawl to the churchyard, covered with a sheet?

This is your suggestion. I didn’t offer anything like that

[K-612-O]

But money is down the drain

[Piramidon]

Quote: K-612-O

But money is down the drain

In your opinion, for every fact of embezzlement of state treasury, do you need to hang yourself? Strange logic.

[Potato]

I propose that thieves of eastern millionaires be declared enemies of the people and agents of foreign intelligence. And shoot. Fair, beautiful)

[donavi49]

Well, the guys from Energy started working on a similar ship when the Shuttles flew with one Challenger bomb, and China dreamed of space with 1,5 rockets capable of launching satellites and 0 for humans.

As a result, now Roscosmos has only Unions. And a lot of promising projects annually moved to + 1year.

USA - began development and are conducting 3 ships. 2 with elements of a new generation (space, 1 people is necessary to perform all the functions of piloting, multi-functionality, 4 + human output) - these are CruDragon and StarLiner. Both are in the final stages. Starliner is flying soon. CrewDragon can still fly with people this year. Plus Orion - for the lunar station.

China is its Federation at the final stage.

The Federation unexpectedly left not in + 1, but immediately in + 2 = now 2023 is the first flight for a year.

[K-612-O]

How much by the time are they being developed? The dragon was supposed to fly in 15 with the crew, so for a second. You can always quickly blind any hardware in the iron, by eye, on the knee and launch into space, send it to the battlefield, lower it to the depth and get a disaster with the victims. Then shrug, didn’t think of it, didn’t finish it, but right now we’ll fix it.
So serious developments are not being carried out, it is better later, but it’s definitely an exhausted model, which is the most reliable and meets all the requirements, especially in the space industry.
The Chinese incidentally saw this ship, so to speak, the 12th year

[Blackmokona]

No, only in the fall of 2014 did SpaceX receive a contract for the development of the ship. Therefore, development has been going on for 5 years.

On September 16, 2014, SpaceX, with the Dragon V2 and Falcon 9 tandem, became one of the two winners of the competition under the Commercial Crew Transportation Capability subprogram.

[K-612-O]

Stop, the contract was a contract, and the initiative development was already underway and before the contract the genius-planokur shouted about flying in the year 15.

[Blackmokona]

The genius wanted astronauts to launch on Dragon-1, but NASA did not like this thing, they wanted another ship. And Dragon-1 has long been carrying cargo to the ISS.

[K-612-O]

I’ll tell you a secret: they are the same, only one truck, another manned, the only difference is inside, life support systems, cabin, controls, instead of the cargo compartment.

[Blackmokona]

Yeah the same, the number of engines is different, different engines, dry weight is two times different, etc.
Moreover, the LSS is in both ships.

[Well done]

They were shot for corruption. And we have? Tenders, contractors, subcontractors, sub-sub ... "Vostochny" was taken away by half. And what about Rogozin? He is used to it and does not itch. They are somewhat similar to Red.

[Svarog]

Quote: Welldone

They shot for corruption. And we have?

We will be imprisoned if you corrupted in Uryupinsk and had the audacity not to share ... they can imprison if you fell under the "fight against corruption" - indicatively, they may even imprison one from Moscow ... but more often they will simply be transferred to a more responsible and interesting job, like a person with experience and talent .. Taburetkin, Mutko .. there are a lot of examples .. well, when he completely stole .. then they will give the opportunity to go to relatives abroad ...

[K-612-O]

I understand you enviously, in their place you should have been, such an outstanding manager and specialist.
I do not justify anyone, I say right away, but criticism must be constructive.
According to the experience of working with the IKI RAS and Lavochkin, the elders are also there, they often intend to delay the work and change the requirements several times on the go, but then everything comes back.
The mess in space is just about the enterprises where the most prominent saw cutters are sitting there, and Rogozin is at least somehow trying to put things in order and make this colossus manageable, although there are enough objective claims to it. But the one who does nothing is not mistaken.

[Well done]

Well yes. Whoever does nothing, he certainly is not mistaken.

[K-612-O]

And they shot a lot?

[Well done]

How do you like that? Officially...
Since 2000, about 10 thousand officials were shot in China for corruption, another 120 thousand received 10-20 years in prison.
I understand that there are more than a billion of them, but nevertheless!

[K-612-O]

And how to stop stealing? Only in 2018 they planted more than 100000, and the people's path to the budget and bribes does not overgrow.

[Roman070280]

And how to steal ceased?

Weird question..
If they had not stopped, then this topic would not have been in VO ..
And there would be a topic about a Chinese man who bought himself the world's largest yacht ..

[tanit]

The official data on the number of executed people is a state secret in the PRC. Feel free to write any number.

[MBRSS]

Why did they attack Rogozin alone? He was put in an industry (civilian astronautics, I mean) in a state of stagnation, financed for a long time on the leftover principle: "everything that does not bring quick profits will wait." So they waited.
And no super-duper special industry specialist will do much and quickly, with such a policy of the party, government and personally the president.
Because we have such capitalism - stealing raw materials!

[RUSS]

Quote: Welldone

They shot for corruption. And we have?

In China, in April 2016, it was announced that the death penalty would be applied to corrupt officials only if the amount of stolen property (or bribe) exceeds 3 million yuan (about 460 thousand dollars)

[Svarog]

Quote: RUSS

In China, in April 2016, it was announced that the death penalty would be applied to corrupt officials only if the amount of stolen property (or bribe) exceeds 3 million yuan (about 460 thousand dollars)

For ours it’s miserable crumbs ..

[Well done]

The Chinese are practical. Why waste color .met on bullets? Hard labor! Well, or its analogues. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.

[RUSS]

Quote: Welldone

Why waste color .met on bullets?

Do they have aluminum?

[kanskebron]

In China, in April 2016, it was announced that the death penalty would be applied to corrupt officials only if the amount of stolen property (or bribe) exceeds 3 million yuan (about 460 thousand dollars)

For the Russian Federation, this is enough to shoot 100 thousand officials.

[maden.usmanow]

It's not about shots. The KGB will not make you a rocket. They can only Queen in the camps spread rot.

In America, they do not shoot for corruption and nothing.
We need social elevators and meritocracy.

[Yves762]

Quote: maden.usmanow

It's not about shots. The KGB will not make you a rocket. They can only Queen in the camps spread rot.

Well, after all, it turned out with Korolev (and not only).!.

[Valerik1337]

Well done brothers. The future of space lies with Russia and China, and I am proud of the achievement of our friends and partners.

[Ingvar 72]

With such "partners" in the bathhouse for soap, you should not bend over.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

With such "partners" in the bathhouse for soap, you should not bend over.

I would continue ... that they will forcefully bend over soon, while some of us wit .. yes they suggest flying on trampolines ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

I would go on.

I would be the same, but the warning limit is not rubber.

[210ox]

C'mon, you're talking about space trampolines ... A man on a bike can’t get to the PMR. Although he was going to.

[RUSS]

Quote: 210ox

C'mon, you're talking about space trampolines ... A man on a bike can’t get to the PMR. Although he was going to.

Many are still perplexed as Rogozin so took off on the career ladder, was previously seen on Russian marches, more than once his statements were on the verge of nationalist slogans, consisted of marginal parties and movements, and had no technical education.

[210ox]

I all remember Lavrenty Palych. He had a technical education in construction. But the party commanded so. And he became the best manager in the country. And the NKVD and the nuclear industry (by the way, Molotov, who was first put in charge of the bomb, could not cope). It is rather not a matter of education and specialization, but of the ability to organize clear work.

[Svarog]

Quote: 210ox

It is rather not a matter of education and specialization, but of the ability to organize clear work.

A specialized education also opens its eyes to many little things, (the devil is in the details), and if you add the ability to organize, and responsibility, then you get Lavrenty, but if Stalin were to ask ... that’s it. Like it or not, but it all depends on who is asking ... if someone is happy with the work of mediocrity .. then there's nothing to be done .. everything will skid.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It looks like our ship, the Federation.

[KVU-NSVD]

Only it is really being completed "in hardware" and with a "start-list", and our Federation is m-mm .. at a lower level

[donavi49]

When they started working on a new generation ship, China had only dreams of space. Americans have reliable shuttles without accidents since January 1986.

When they began to make the Federation, China had only a few launches of Shenzhou, which is something architectural in 70's. The Americans are still shuttles but are about to retire.
As a result, the Federation does and does everything. The deadlines are already being postponed for + 2 years, and not as usual for + 1 - the current term certified by Rogozin - 2023 year. After CrewDregon, StarLiner, Orion, and the Chinese Federation. Proceeding from the first flights, there may well be the first case when the Chinese can accuse someone of impudent copying , based on the fact of an earlier first flight, for several years.

[lucul]

As a result, the Federation does and does everything.

And they will do further.
On existing chemical engines in the world - all projects are only orbital. All existing, this is ... pampering. For an analogy, this is how to make an airplane, but with a steam engine, like a steam locomotive.
The Federation is sawing under a completely different engine, but there is no progress on it yet.

[Svarog]

Quote: lucul

The Federation is sawing under a completely different engine, but there is no progress on it yet.

Maybe that's why no - what is "sawing"?

[lucul]

Maybe that's why no - what is "sawing"?

Well, it’s still not clear what engine features - where the ship will be able to fly, what protection from various radiations to do under it. Maybe there is a thickness of 2 meters of armor, they plan a covering)))
There are simple military pilots flying high in the atmosphere and then grabbing decently radiation.
In fact, there will be a new engine - they will build a ship around it, but for now - it's just a development of technology.

[Lord of the Sith]

Americans have reliable shuttles without accidents since January 1986

“Columbia” was also accident-free.

[kit88]

That's the trick of the comment that Colombia was still there.

[donavi49]

She bombed - when the 5-generation spacecraft was already being developed vigorously in Energy.

[K-612-O]

Toto, I see, the Americans all fly on unions, after the ditched crews of the shuttles.

[donavi49]

And?
Initially, Russia was the only developer of the manned reusable 5 generation ship. Work began back in 98 year in Energy.

The Americans decided that they did not need the 5 generation ship, but they needed a fundamentally new system. And they gave birth to VenturaStar. This kind of monster, which already turned out to be unviable during the design (1000 starting masses - without LV or discharged parts, in one piece with a full return), an innovative propulsion system that they still cannot realize. Well, the loot there went to infinity along with the implementation time = the project was closed.

As a result, the Americans began to make the Constellation - an already more mundane project that meets the 5 generation, but for other tasks.

In Russia, they formed Clipper and began to work, blow it, cook it.

China was preparing its Shenzhen with the first taikunaut on the spacecraft from 70's. Musk - made his first business successes, earning 180mln in his PayPal pocket.

Has passed 15 years.
The Americans managed to close the Constellation and transform it into an even more primitive form, but simple to implement and cheaper. This is the current view of Orion.

The Americans managed to hold competitions for the 5 generation spacecraft among private companies. Boeing and Musk won (also Sierra Nevada, but due to their high cost and low availability, they were pushed out of the program, and then returned to the court, though in CRS-2, but how it goes - an article about them was here a couple of days ago). In October, a Boeing flies on the ISS for sure. Musk - until the end of the year he will try to manned on the ISS.

China - managed to complete its great leap, with a human face. Now it has a good space industry, its own JPS, its own AMS on the moon, new rockets and now the manned spacecraft of the 5 generation is suitable.

Russia - sent Clipper to a landfill, started making a new spacecraft from a clean face, then again, then again with innovative composites, then again again in her native luminescence, and now they are still making a new spacecraft. Rogozin promises to start in 2023.

As a result, I pointed out that they began to make the new generation of spacecraft the first in the world, and most likely we will fly last, even skipping ahead China, which at the start of work on the spacecraft was not even considered to be really a space power.

[K-612-O]

So you checkers or go? It’s better to bring it to mind, check everything out and debug it to the end, and not chase the deadlines, as in the social competition in the corn frenzy of Khrushchev overtake everyone and everything.

[Arkon]

Quote: donavi49

As a result, I pointed out that they began to make the new generation of spacecraft the first in the world, and most likely we will fly last, even skipping ahead China, which at the start of work on the spacecraft was not even considered to be really a space power.

So be it. What exactly will these terms affect? China is now important prestige - let them invest. As far as I understand, now there is no unambiguous vision of the development of cosmonautics. Let the cones fill up - for once, we have the opportunity, without prejudice to ourselves, to observe the space race from the side and try to use someone else's experience - not all Americans and Chinese ride on someone else's hump ...

[kanskebron]

Russia - sent Clipper to a landfill, started making a new spacecraft from a clean face, then again, then again with innovative composites, then again again in her native luminescence, and now they are still making a new spacecraft. Rogozin promises to start in 2023.

Yeah, from scratch. "Federation" is a redesigned Soviet project "Zarya". At first, they wanted to make the main launch vehicle Angara for the Federation, but did not pull it and returned to the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle, which is nothing more than the Zenit launch vehicle, which, according to the project, was supposed to be the main launch vehicle for the spacecraft. " Dawn ". These are the "breakthroughs" of the Russian oligarchy.

[donavi49]

Well, everything is a little more complicated. However, in fact it is a new ship with a number of conceptual and fundamental solutions. Just like the Americans initially swung to a more complex system (but the Americans with VentureStar - generally went into unscientific fiction in the next 50 years), and then rolled back to a more realistic one.

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

As a result, the Federation does and does everything.

Production of PTK NP started at the beginning of 2017.

Quote: donavi49

They are already postponing the terms by +2 years, and not as usual by +1 - the current term certified by Rogozin is 2023.

The launch year 2023 was planned from the start of its production.

Quote: donavi49

It may well be the first time that the Chinese can accuse someone of being impudent copying , based on the fact of an earlier first flight, for several years.

No. The Chinese ship has nothing to do with ours and does not even look like it. Is that a bit of a form of VA.

[MBRSS]

It looks like our ship, the Federation.

yes, amerovsky Starliner and Orion are more "squat".
Ours is no longer "Federation", but "Eagle", in honor of the alleged first battleship of the Russian fleet. Which the Cossacks burned on the Oka River)) Allegedly, because there was no fleet as such, and this pre-Petrine ship was built by foreigners. The entire manned program is now called "Federation".
Therefore, in five years it will be possible with relief to say "The Eagle" has landed! "

[slipped]

He looks more like a dragon. Chinese Features:

[kanskebron]

It looks like our ship, the Federation.

1. The laws of physics work the same way, even in the PRC, at least in the secondary school and sometimes in the Russian Federation;
2. The PRC MOB has already "organized" the technical documentation for both "Federation" and "Orion".

[GABALIS]

90 percent of comments in such topics have one message, prosralipolymers!

[lis-ik]

Quote: GABALIS

90 percent of comments in such topics have one message, prosralipolymers!

This is a sad reality.

[GABALIS]

Rather, a life position ...

[AUL]

Quote: GABALIS

90 percent of comments in such topics have one message, prosralipolymers!

But essentially there is what to argue?

[GABALIS]

In essence, probably not, I do not have information. Can you in essence explain the state of affairs in the space industry in Russia and China without referring to "China declares"?

[Mestny]

They also do not have reliable information. Exactly the same, from the Internet.
But at the same time they like to scream. that everything is lost.

[aries2200]

according to the soviet drawings did they assemble? and subassembly details, too, where are the drawings from?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: aries2200

according to the soviet drawings did they assemble? and subassembly details, too, where are the drawings from?

Not hee hee, but ha ha! The ruin for a pittance, I handed over Odessa to my mother, and then the komunyatskie drawings, "take it. I'll draw you some more."

[Mavrikiy]

manned spacecraft for delivery of astronauts to the orbital station or flights to the moon.

typo need и Rave. One ship for completely different missions. Maybe they will rush to Mars on it, "so as not to return twice

[Thrifty]

No, immediately to Saturn, and as evidence, Saturn’s ring around the ship is wrapped, and usurped, for starters the ring, and then Saturn itself! !!

[slipped]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Rave. One ship for completely different missions. Maybe they will rush to Mars on it, "so as not to return twice

Journalists.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

I read the article and comments. In the comments, as always, China is great, Russia is bad. True, in Russia they are silent, silent, and then ... WOMAN !!! and there appeared "hypersound" and "nuclear engine", etc., which have no analogues in anyone else in the world. But all the same, the Chinese are great, and the Russians are bad. Maybe in the end we will start to respect and be proud of our achievements, and not the US-Sino-EU-EEU-Israeli ones ???

[GABALIS]

There was an article about how Belarusians "BRDMku" were either painted or washed and it began ... :)
Well done Belarusians, Russia are bad :)

[armata_armata]

True, in Russia they are silent, silent, and then ... WOMAN !!! and there appeared "hypersound" and "nuclear engine", etc., which have no analogues in anyone in the world

And again there are no analogues)) We have already forgotten about the fact that nuclear engines have been tested in the USSR and the USA since the 60s. They also forgot about the fact that the same ICBMs have been flying since the moment of their creation, but the direct-flow engine for real hypersound has not yet been created, so they have to throw a cruise missile from the MIG of the supersonic and fastest serial aircraft of the Russian Federation (thanks to the USSR for its creation and production) so that she could dial hypersound ...
And yes, there are no analogues

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

For armata_armata Do not confuse, invented, tested, made, modified and launched into production. The whole world has recognized that the "hypersound" of such parameters only in the Russian Federation ... but you probably "and bitter sugar if it is made in Russia")))

[armata_armata]

For armata_armata, do not confuse, invented, tested, made, modified and launched into production. The whole world has recognized that the "hypersound" of such parameters only in the Russian Federation ... but you probably "and bitter sugar if it is made in Russia")))

Where did the nuclear engines go into production?

[K-612-O]

Sorry you will not come running and will not report.

[armata_armata]

Sorry you will not come running and will not report

Then why yell yell?)

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

For armata_armata. "Then why are you yelling?)" - and although this answer is not for me, I cannot miss it. Hurray no one yelled in the discussion of this topic. This is your speculation. But I want to note that no one yells, everything is lost, everything is lost - everything in this Russia is bad, everything is the end of the Russian Federation !!! Not screaming, but like snakes hissing to create a negative background about the development of technologies in the Russian Federation. And they do it "loving in the comments" everything that is not Russian, and ostentatiously "loving" everything foreign. Well, if you are a foreigner and do not live in the Russian Federation, then such an attitude towards my country is understandable. Although smart people understand that only in fairy tales everything is done at once thanks to a magic wand. The problem lies elsewhere, that there are people who are not capable of more than in everything - ABSOLUTELY IN EVERYTHING, especially as for Russia, to see only the bad ... I will show these "female dogs" how smart I am, and they are schizophrenic) ...

[K-612-O]

And I didn’t yell. Nobody will personally dedicate you to state secret.

[RUSS]

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

nuclear engine "

Is it that which exploded near Arkhangelsk near the village of Nenoksa?
The August 8 explosion at a military base in the sea near the village of Nenoksa near Severedvinsk in the Arkhangelsk region of Russia is still shrouded in secrets, although some details constantly appear. The authorities continue to assure that the situation is under control, there is no radiation. Although they turned off some of the instruments for measuring and transmitting information about radiation from an international organization, they say there are problems with communication and the Internet.

[K-612-O]

Everything has been working for a long time and the monitoring data for the period of disconnection has been transmitted. Mr. Zebro himself confirmed this. Do not hysteria with pseudo-journalists

[RUSS]

Quote: K-612-O

Everything has been working for a long time

All 4th?

[Mestny]

No, not him.
The one you write about exploded in the head of Internet fighters with the regime.
The "communists" are especially trying. Kindle the hype about radiation.

[voyaka uh]

"SpaceX has already sent its Crew Dragon on its first unmanned flight to the ISS,
however, she then lost it to a test explosion. "///
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There was a fire (fuel caught fire in the external supply pipe), and not an explosion.
The engines from the burnt case were removed and cleaned.
NASA investigates after internal investigation in Space X
and calmed down.

[rocket757]

As it flies, we will applaud.

[RUSS]

Quote: rocket757

As it flies, we will applaud.

You will not, because you will find a bunch of reasons for this, each time putting forward new conditions and requirements.

[Mestny]

But you, as I understand it, are already standing ovation.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mestny

But you, as I understand it, are already standing ovation.

And the device has not yet flown, what is there to talk about.

[RUSS]

Quote: Mestny

But you, as I understand it, are already standing ovation.

I certainly rejoice at the new achievements of mankind in space exploration.

[rocket757]

Quote: RUSS

You will not

Everyones, different people pin me up, they know what I’ll do, decide, speak, when I don’t know yet!
Vangs or know-it-alls ???

[RUSS]

Quote: rocket757

Vangs or know-it-alls ???

Leavened patriots you are predictable.

[rocket757]

Ha, you know the meaning of the word PATRIOT or in your own interpretation .....
By the way, not patriots are predictable just like everyone else ... only I don’t sign up for fortune-tellers, this is not a patriotic thing;
Yes, in the subject, when our "trampoline", something clever, I make fun of him, like all NORMAL people.
And you can treat the Chinese statements as you like, but as long as their device does not fulfill the flight program that it has announced, it does not make sense to applaud!

[RUSS]

Quote: rocket757

Ha, you know the meaning of the word PATRIOT or interpret it in your own way.

I know the meaning of the word patriot, but I also know the meaning of the phrase “leavened patriot”.

[rocket757]

"Astrakhan took, Kazan took" kvass I know, a patriot I understand ..... how does it fit together? Shaw for such a beast? Maybe someone who prefers kola to kvass? So this is reasonable and safer besides ..

[RUSS]

Quote: rocket757

"Astrakhan took, Kazan took" kvass I know, a patriot I understand ..... how does it fit together? Shaw for such a beast? Maybe someone who prefers kola to kvass? So this is reasonable and safer besides ..

Kvasnoy patriotism (lapotny patriotism, cheers-patriotism) is an ironic expression in the Russian language, denoting the unconditional praise of everything domestic. It is opposed to genuine patriotism, allowing the recognition and rejection of the negative features of their state, as well as the fight against them

[rocket757]

Ha, guessed it!
Kvass is absolutely better than cola! Add fruit drinks, sbiten and KEFIR, where without them!
Lapti - what is wrong with them? Many generations .... their ancestors went to them. A cultural subject, a historical thing, however! You won’t throw words out of a song!
About our high-profile URA, it’s worth talking to those to whom this ..... exclamation lifted the spirit, saved lives, rallied with FRIENDS, and led to VICTORY!
So what's wrong with OUR KVASS PATRIOTISM?
They are trying to imagine all this stupidity, go-Etism .... so everyone who tried to do this earlier, at different times, got what they deserve. The present will also receive theirs.

[ilya63]

that’s what I don’t want to fly into space on a Chinese rocket!))))

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that’s what I don’t want to fly into space on a Chinese rocket!))))

The heptyl step from the last launch fell on their house and crushed two cows.

Yes, and the satellite itself turned on with defects.

[Rusj]

Yeah, the Chinese have already gathered to go to MARS! Amerikosy to the moon felts flew felts felts film shot for 40 years arguing. And how to fly on our engines and fly. And both of our space stations are in the Soviet Union that is now OUR RUSSIAN. Well, of course we are the kolkhoman lapotniks. Missile technologies are our best hypersonic; our best air defense systems; we also made any missile technologies we are ahead of everyone. Fu that we can honestly say that maybe science is now!
But it’s worth writing something that they supposedly did! The laughter stolen repeated just made up. But we are lapotniki that we can.! How dumb and unpleasant to read your filthy comments from where you are so many who hate their homeland and therefore themselves!?

[K-612-O]

Despite the fact that the majority of commentators have never developed anything, had nothing to do with the design work and is not connected with space in any way. But he knows better how it should be, with a twinkle and Komsomol enthusiasm.

[RUSS]

Quote: Rusj

. And both of our space stations are that under the USSR what is now OUR RUSSIAN

Our Russians ???? :laughing:

"1. In terms of its capabilities, the Russian segment of the ISS (RS) is a step back in comparison with the Mir station. At the moment, it consists of two large modules and three small modules instead of six large and one small on Mir.

2. One of our large modules (FGB Zarya) is only technically part of the Russian segment, but legally belongs to the Americans, since it was built in the 1990s with money from the Boeing company. The purpose of this module is a warehouse.

3. The Russian segment has never been completed and it is not known whether it will be completed at all. Unlike the American part, which has three full-fledged laboratories, we still do not have a single one. Instead of them - palliative MLM (small laboratory modules) with an internal volume of slightly more than shower stalls.

4. Due to the fact that there is nowhere to put scientific equipment, almost all of Russian science on the ISS is reduced to three areas: studies of the stay of people in space, research on the state of the ISS itself and various materials in space (mainly outside the station) and photographing the Earth through porthole. That is, the ISS for Russian science is a thing in itself and a bit of a satellite.

5. The first high-value Russian laboratory module "Science" has not been launched for 11 years (!), And it is not known whether it will be launched at all. The module itself has been under construction since 1996 as an understudy for the Zarya FGB, and then it was redesigned many times.

6. Technically, our segment is the last century compared to the American one: narrow manholes and a half-dark labyrinth of air ducts, bulky manholes and various equipment for which there is not enough space. A noticeable contrast against the brightly lit spacious modules of the American segment.

7. The Russian segment lives on American electricity. A pair of batteries on the Zvezda module is shaded by large panels of the American segment (mainly by SOTR emitters), and on the Zarya module the panels are completely folded.

8. The own source of electricity - the Scientific and Energy Platform (NEM), a full-fledged remote rack with eight solar panels to supply the PC - remained on paper.

9. When three of our cosmonauts work at the station, one of them lives with the Americans - there simply is no place in the Russian segment.

10. The service life of the ISS ends in six years - in 2024. What will happen next is still unknown. They talk about grandiose plans for a lunar orbital station, about undocking the Russian segment and using it separately, about a new joint station, this time with China. "

[Rusj]

yeah no place! You are no words ridiculous! There is no place . Well, the left passenger climbed into the station with a hare! Million so for 50 evergreen candy wrappers. AMAZING you ..................

[Rusj]

Yes, our astronauts, go like that !? They just go argonafty ?? Well this is Hellas! Yes, for the night they ask for the Americans! Hold me seven here the hamsters go crazy to them that they have combed Navalny. Brother, you generally who and where you don’t smoke and don’t drink so much !!!!!!

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Quote: RUSS

"1. In terms of its capabilities, the Russian segment of the ISS (RS) is a step back in comparison with the Mir station. At the moment, it consists of two large modules and three small modules instead of six large and one small on Mir.

BB OPS "Mir" was designed for 5 years of work. I worked for 15 years due to delays in the launch of expansion modules, at the end of this period it just crumbled. The ISS SM has been operating for 20 years, it is in good condition and its term was extended for another 4 years. The ISS RS is not an autonomous part of the ISS, but is deeply integrated into its composition.

Quote: RUSS

2. One of our large modules (FGB Zarya) is only technically part of the Russian segment, but legally belongs to the Americans, since it was built in the 1990s with money from the Boeing company. The purpose of this module is a warehouse.

Part of the space of this module is used by Russian cosmonauts within our station quota. There is a "change house" for the cosmonauts.

Quote: RUSS

3. The Russian segment has never been completed and it is not known whether it will be completed at all. Unlike the American part, which has three full-fledged laboratories, we still do not have a single one. Instead of them - palliative MLM (small laboratory modules) with an internal volume of slightly more than shower stalls.

Size doesn't matter. In MLM-1 and MLM-2, full-fledged scientific work is being carried out with experiments delivered from the Earth.

Quote: RUSS

4. Due to the fact that there is nowhere to put scientific equipment, almost all of Russian science on the ISS is reduced to three areas: studies of the stay of people in space, research on the state of the ISS itself and various materials in space (mainly outside the station) and photographing the Earth through porthole. That is, the ISS for Russian science is a thing in itself and a bit of a satellite.

In addition to the above experiments on the ISS, work is underway in the following areas:

Space exploration technology
Space biology and biotechnology
Contract work and experiments

Quote: RUSS

5. The first high-value Russian laboratory module "Science" has not been launched for 11 years (!), And it is not known whether it will be launched at all. The module itself has been under construction since 1996 as an understudy for the Zarya FGB, and then it was redesigned many times.

The launch of MLM-U Nauka is scheduled for 2020. A rocket for this launch has already been delivered to the Baikonur cosmodrome. The guaranteed service life of the module as part of the ISS RS is 7 years.

Quote: RUSS

6. Technically, our segment is the last century compared to the American one: narrow manholes and a half-dark labyrinth of air ducts, bulky manholes and various equipment for which there is not enough space. A noticeable contrast against the brightly lit spacious modules of the American segment.

I don’t even know how to comment on this. Is that such a photo to place:

Well, by the way, the new NEM-1 module looks something like this:

Quote: RUSS

7. The Russian segment lives on American electricity. A pair of batteries on the Zvezda module is shaded by large panels of the American segment (mainly by SOTR emitters), and on the Zarya module the panels are completely folded.

The American segment lives off of our fuel. The engines of the KDU station are located at the Zvezda SM. And the roll reversal is performed by our "Progress".

Quote: RUSS

8. The own source of electricity - the Scientific and Energy Platform (NEM), a full-fledged remote rack with eight solar panels to supply the PC - remained on paper.

Dreamer. What is this?

Launch in the year 2022.

Quote: RUSS

9. When three of our cosmonauts work at the station, one of them lives with the Americans - there simply is no place in the Russian segment.

Two of our cosmonauts are currently working at the station. And they live in individual cabins with portholes. But Americans live in racks, read cabinets. They have a bed there.

Quote: RUSS

10. The ISS expires in six years - in 2024. What will happen next is still unknown.

Extended until 2028.

[K-612-O]

You are neater, because Mokkona will bomb

[RUSS]

Quote: slipped

Extended until 2028.

Perhaps, and maybe not ....
In April 2019, Vyacheslav Dokuchaev, Leading Researcher at the Institute for Nuclear Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences, stated that, from a scientific point of view, the International Space Station is a “waste of time”. According to him, the last important discoveries belong to robots, and people in space are simply not needed, on the ISS, astronauts mainly engage in their own life support: “They study who holes are drilled there. Billions are being spent - not rubles, but dollars, but the scientific yield is zero. ”

Today, many countries want to build their own space station. Similar plans have already been reported by the United States and China. The Russian Federation plans to launch an independent lunar module by the mid-2020s. The European Space Agency, in partnership with Japan, also wants to launch its space station.

It is planned that by 2021 most of the work on the ISS will be discontinued, and equipment returned. Then the remaining skeleton of the station will be dismantled and flooded in the Pacific Ocean. Some participants plan to leave their research modules in orbit in order to dock them to the national space stations a little later.

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Quote: RUSS

In April 2019, Vyacheslav Dokuchaev, Leading Researcher at the Institute for Nuclear Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences, stated that, from a scientific point of view, the International Space Station is a “waste of time”. According to him, the last important discoveries belong to robots, and people in space are simply not needed, on the ISS, astronauts mainly engage in their own life support: “They study who holes are drilled there. Billions are being spent - not rubles, but dollars, but the scientific yield is zero. ”

According to the Russian scientist, an employee of the Institute for Nuclear Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vyacheslav Dokuchaev, the existence of highly developed civilizations is quite possible inside black holes. There they are "hiding."

This is what this "leader" has. Cosmonauts, they personally do not do experiments. This is exactly what the RAS is doing, including. And so it turns out, according to this co-worker, that he and his fellows at the Academy of Sciences are engaged in sabotage. Billions of rubles are spent on zero. It is necessary to disperse this RAS to the damn grandmother.

Quote: RUSS

Today, many countries want to build their own space station. Similar plans have already been reported by the United States and China. The Russian Federation plans to launch an independent lunar module by the mid-2020s. The European Space Agency, in partnership with Japan, also wants to launch its space station.

Those. the station brings zero, and all countries want to build another station .... Hmm ... something doesn’t converge here logically.

Quote: RUSS

It is planned that by 2021 most of the work on the ISS will be discontinued, and equipment returned. Then the remaining skeleton of the station will be dismantled and flooded in the Pacific Ocean.

Fantasy again. To flood the station, you don't need to disassemble anything. It is enough for Progress MS with full fuel tanks to give a command to turn on the engine until the fuel is completely depleted against the flight vector of the station. She herself will fall.

Quote: RUSS

Some participants plan to leave their research modules in orbit in order to dock them to the national space stations a little later.

Unmanageable? They will quickly leave orbit. Not only will they drop where unknowingly.

[Mestny]

Yes, they have something especially dense today.
Substance they there what fresh brought up for Baska, or what?

[RUSS]

Vatnichki intensified.

[Osmodey]

Doesn’t take off, breaks into the firmament of heaven

[rocket757]

No matter how we get puffed up, we must admit that the entire post-Soviet space program ... No, not the program, but a series of events, this is trampling on the spot, or even sliding backwards.
Causes??? But different, but the main thing is the devastation in the heads of the ruling and everything else that accompanies this misfortune!

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Quote: rocket757

No matter how we get puffed up, we must admit that the entire post-Soviet space program ... No, not the program, but a series of events, this is trampling on the spot, or even sliding backwards.

So you confess to yourself there and repent. And here ARTS Skybot-F 850 ​​is flying in orbit to meet the cosmonauts, and the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory is surveying the center of the galaxy XNUMX million km from Earth.

[kanskebron]

and the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory is surveying the center of the galaxy one and a half million kilometers from Earth.

Hooray!! The oligarch of the Russian Federation finally completed the 30-year-old Soviet concept. Breakthrough!!!

[rocket757]

Quote: kanskebron

Hooray!! The oligarch of the Russian Federation finally completed the 30-year-old Soviet concept. Breakthrough!!!

The fact of the matter is that even hurt from the USSR is ineptly profound.
It’s how it turns out, the state is not efficient, and our business is straightforward, everything. does the mind ???
Freshly dowry.

[pafegosoff]

Something their sniff resembles.
What the USSR has done over the months, Russia has been sawing for decades. Eat hotz everyone?