The probable dates for the return of Ukrainian sailors to Kiev

The network has some details of the topics discussed during a telephone conversation between the presidents of Russia and Ukraine. Recall that the telephone conversation was initiated by Vladimir Zelensky, and the fact that the Russian president “picked up the phone” was harshly criticized, for example, by LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

If you believe the reports that appeared in the media, one of the topics for discussion was related to the Ukrainian sailors. We are talking about the sailors of the Navy and the representatives of the SBU, who since November 2018 have been in the Russian Federation under investigation in the case of illegal armed crossing of the Russian border. Recall that during a visit to Turkey Zelensky showed Erdogan bracelets with the names of these sailors.

Edition "Kommersant" пишет that he has information about the transfer of Ukrainian sailors to Kiev. The newspaper stated that at this stage, negotiations on the exchange reached the final stage, and Ukrainian sailors will be in Kiev before the end of this month. Kommersant also refers to an unnamed Ukrainian diplomat confirming this information. At the same time, it is not reported on whom exactly the exchange will be carried out. It was previously reported that one of the conditions for transferring Ukrainian sailors to Kiev could be a potential decision to release journalist Kirill Vyshinsky from custody.

Comments

[Honest Citizen]

Volodya.
I have been fighting off mine for a long time. So long ago that I can’t even remember. Who, you say, need to say your opinion in person? You, the Russian Guard, Navalny, Medvedev, Putin? No problem. At least now, at least an hour, at least tomorrow.
That's just interesting - are you going to stand up "under the banner", or "khataskaynichat" will you?

[The black]

The Kommersant publication writes that it has information about the transfer of Ukrainian sailors to Kiev. The newspaper stated that at this stage, negotiations on the exchange reached the final stage, and Ukrainian sailors will be in Kiev before the end of this month.

It's unlikely ..... It's in court. The President cannot pardon them before the conviction is pronounced .... and cannot "give" them ..... transferring without a court decision would be a direct violation of the Law. It is unlikely that the GDP will go to this. To be honest, I do not see how they can legally be handed over to the Ukrainian side without a court decision on their acquittal or conviction. (I.e. without any verdict)

[Honest Citizen]

As far as I understand, the President can "pardon" us. Well, or declare a "gesture of goodwill"

[The black]

maybe, but for this it is necessary that they be convicted ... and a "gesture of goodwill", according to how much the case is in court, will mean interference in the activities of the court, which is a direct violation of the Law. It is unlikely that the GDP will go to this. Can you imagine what a howl will rise ... !!! And the first to win will be the pseudo-liberals, who supposedly for the release of the sailors

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Honest Citizen

At least now, at least an hour, at least tomorrow.

Seryozha, there is a lot of bazaar on the Internet. Georgians even on TV "have already fought off for a long time."
Just go shit and courage are different concepts.
Putin stopped the war. The collapse of our country stopped. Lands returned sold earlier by those who were not afraid of anything.
You saliva spray only read a few lines. Not figuring out the truth or bullshit.

Maybe you know how to return Odessa, Kherson, Mariupol, Kharkov and other Russian cities? Does Putin stop you from doing this? Maybe Putin separated Ukraine from Russia?

Putin is not a king, not God. Blaming him for his own troubles is the actions of the level of that crazy crazy Georgian.

[Honest Citizen]

Volodya.
It is sad to realize, but we have TWO Putin. Putin on foreign policy, and Putin on domestic. And they are not united.
I already said somewhere that if the foreign policy of the Russian Federation under Putin I personally like it. That’s his inner one — it causes me to be rejected.
And about "splashing saliva" - you're in vain.

Maybe you know how to return Odessa, Kherson, Mariupol, Kharkov and other Russian cities?

I know. But you will not like the recipe.

Blaming him for his own troubles is the actions of the level of that crazy crazy Georgian.

You know, with this phrase you offended me. Greatly offended. That would not "spam" the topic, and if you are interested - I can unsubscribe in a personal.

[Pereira]

There are not two Putin. There are many more.

[Dietmar]

The President has the right to pardon if:
1. The verdict is passed and entered into force;
2. The sentenced personally appealed to the President for clemency.

[mikh-korsakov]

The president has the right to pardon only convicted. Before the trial, Ukrainian sailors are under investigation. During the investigation, any kind of interference with the work of justice is a grave misconduct just according to the canon of the liberals. Even after the trial, no matter what the verdict of guilty or acquittal, Putin can not immediately have mercy - you have to wait until the verdict comes into force. So it was in the case of Savchenko. If Putin intervenes in the work of the investigation, he will subject himself to well-deserved criticism both on the left and on the right. Therefore, it is unlikely, well, if he did not completely fall into ..., although who knows, he plays the diver, he rolls the governors on a motorcycle. Then everything can be.

[kit88]

Laws are laws, so that they have loopholes. You just have to look well. Most of these loopholes are not suitable for us, since the article is "heavy".
But for example, according to Clause 3, Part 1, Article 27 Code of Criminal Procedure - please! And GDP is not even at business. DG adopts a decree on amnesty, and walk the citizens DEFENDED on all four sides.

[abc_alex]

Quote: kit88

Laws and laws so that they have loopholes. It is only necessary to search well.

What for? What Putin and the authorities generally make sense to do this. What will it give? You understand, and the government understands that letting them go will not be understood by the population. So you need to compensate for something. Than? I would understand it made sense for lifting the sanctions from the Crimea. Or for some relief to Donbass. Even for the recognition of 3 billion debt, I would understand. But there is none of this. So why?

[kit88]

So why?

If released after the trial, then in Art. 469 of the CPC explicitly states the principle of MUTUALITY.
This is not Pardon, but the transfer of convicts to serve their sentences in their homeland.

If before the AMNESTY trial, then legally it is a gesture of goodwill. But why explain to the people such procedural subtleties? They will say that they exchanged for ours. That's all.

[abc_alex]

So, did someone expect to change? Who suggested? On whom? If on Vyshinsky, then he is alone. And can Zelensky be able to exchange him contrary to the frantic?

You did not understand my question. I myself know HOW. I ask WHY. That's why they should be kept in the zone, I understand. While they are removing snow in Siberia, in Ukraine the number of people who want to bravely storm the Crimean bridge will be critically small, even by order. Is this a profit? This is a profit.
And why let them go then? Gesture with goodwill to whom? Now we have a resource of intimidation, it can be exchanged for something. For what?

[kit88]

I understand that they are letting go for an exchange. On Vyshinsky or there a whole list - of course I do not know.
But rather, you’re right, it would be better to send them to remove snow (all) in Siberia. But this is a good result for us.
Most likely this is just the official version.
Because there is still a BIGAAAAAAA policy. And these prisoners are a trump card. And when the GDP goes from it, the "partners" will have to answer with something.

[abc_alex]

So, we are sitting, waiting. Time will tell.

[kit88]

Details appeared. Change 33/33. Moreover, Vyshinsky is not on the lists.
Source - Lenta.ru

[abc_alex]

Quote: kit88

Source - Lenta.ru

So-so source, but let's see ...

[mikh-korsakov]

And this will not work, because it’s not convicted, but the people under investigation - the guilt has not been proved, for which amnesty.

[rocket757]

Quote: Black

Honestly, I don’t see in what legal way they can be transferred

I don’t know if there is an agreement about how previously convicted foreign citizens could have experienced "sitting out" at the place of registration, ts! There was such a legal, legal procedure! But again, only after the trial and if they were convicted!

[kit88]

So she did not disappear anywhere. Chapter 55 of the Code of Criminal Procedure.

[Shelest2000]

It's unlikely ..... It's in court. The President cannot pardon them before the conviction is pronounced .... and cannot "give" them ..... transferring without a court decision would be a direct violation of the Law.

You really wrote about legitimacy? 0_o Honestly, not even funny. I just don’t forget where I live. And you would remember that ...

[mikh-korsakov]

Shelest / Where do you live? I, for example, in the Russian Federation. However, if you live here sickeningly - there’s a border! I remember what pressure was on the Russian Federation in the case of Savchenko. But having condemned - they released. Your doubts are sideways.

[Shelest2000]

It’s not up to you to decide and decide where to live! Russia is my Motherland! Here my ancestors were born and died, plowed and fought!
PS I've heard something like this before. One singer also pointed out with his mouth to those who did not like Putin to leave Russia. Minkov is his last name. "Marshall" which.

[mikh-korsakov]

And I am opposed to unsubstantially slandering my homeland. We know - swam. You see, he lacks legality. What did you judge and hurt you? To judge whether there is law or not. Or Aunt Glasha from the bazaar was offended that she didn’t give her cat pies and she was insulted. Russia's global accusations are a sure sign of a liberal.

[Shelest2000]

Less pathos and loyal cheers-patriotism. And then, you know, every time the current authorities (and others like you) begin to talk about patriotism - 100500 want to .... deceive. They also swam, we know, we see, we feel.

[New Year day]

Quote: Black

The President cannot pardon them before the conviction is pronounced .... and cannot "give" them ..... transferring without a court decision would be a direct violation of the Law.

Before meeting with Macron, Putin released Philip Delpal from prison.
"On August 15, Philippe Delpalle - French businessman, partner of the Baring Vostok Foundation, was released from prison and placed under house arrest."
"Just before the visit, such a court decision [was made]," said the aide to the Russian president.
So the court and the law are subordinate to Putin.

[akvanavt98]

well enough, a quick decision by agreement and in view of the absence of danger.

[akvanavt98]

and soon leave on their ships.

[Ros 56]

Although your number is sixteen, you need to read the comments correctly. Honest talked about the political coffin, well, you can’t understand everything literally.

[210ox]

Did not notice? I went to Macron's, Trump beckoned with a carrot to G6, 7,8 ... We quickly settled with the "sailors" ... Alas, not "Uncle Joe" and not even Eun ...

[Mountain shooter]

So the most "non-holding" newspaper made a throw-in, and everyone who WANTS to believe believed her, and who does not? She's so responsible. This newspaper.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So the most "non-holding" newspaper made a throw-in, and everyone who WANTS to believe believed her, and who does not? She's so responsible. This newspaper.

To believe "Kommersant" is not to respect yourself. Again, as always, they have links to "unconfirmed sources wishing to remain anonymous." Infa by them is obtained from the left nostril or other opening.

[New Year day]

Quote: Piramidon

To believe "Kommersant" is not to respect yourself. Again, as always, they have links to "unconfirmed sources wishing to remain anonymous." Infa by them is obtained from the left nostril or other opening.

not only Kommersant:
Izvestia -https: //iz.ru/912680/2019-08-21/rossiia-i-ukraina-podgotovilis-k-obmenu-moriakov-i-zakliuchennykh? Utm_source = yxnews & utm_medium = desktop
"Free press" -https: //svpressa.ru/society/news/241362/? Rss = 1 & utm_source = yxnews & utm_medium = desktop

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silvestr

not only Kommersant:
"Izvestia" "Free Press"

Well, so, and both refer to the same "Kommersant". One duck started, and these reprinted it.

[mikh-korsakov]

As an option, the media flashed that ours offered Ukraine to release the sailors. to be judged there. Guarantees that in Ukraine they will not throw us are not clear. The existence of an interstate agreement allowing such an option is unknown, although precedents exist in Europe. But Ukraine refused, because it realized that this option contradicts the way it represents the status of sailors - prisoners of war. And if prisoners of war are to be judged — if Ukraine had agreed to this option — it would have recognized it. that sailors are not prisoners of war - but border violators. With the same and came to a standstill.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Honest Citizen

If ukromoryakov will be handed over to Kiev without trial here in Russia, it will be another nail that Putin pounds into his own coffin.

Do not rush to draw hot conclusions. As practice shows, everything can be much more complicated and interesting. Here are the calls from Zelensky:

"Activists of the Odessa" Kulikova Pole "Russian Yevgeny Mefedov and a local resident Sergei Dolzhenkov, who are accused in Ukraine of encroaching on the territorial integrity and inviolability of the country, were released from custody and left the Nikolaev SIZO on bail.

A Russian citizen sat for 5 years in jail stupidly for a Russian passport in Odessa on that fateful day. Where should he go, again in jail? There is still Vyshinsky.
Mefyodov is a citizen of the Russian Federation. At the same time, he lived in Odessa and was also in the Odessa squad, although he was just an ordinary member. On May 2 of 2014, Mefyodov was absent from Greek Square, where 6 people were killed during the clashes, of which 4 are “Kulikists”. Arriving at the square in front of the House of Trade Unions, he took refuge in the building and managed to survive this terrible day. But later, Mefyodov was arrested right in the hospital - for the authorities, his figure was ideally suited for ideological justification for the presence of the “Kremlin arm” in bloody events. At the same time, he did not belong to the circle of organizers or leaders of the Kulikov field, and did not in any way influence their decisions.

[Honest Citizen]

Vyacheslav.
The sailors were "caught" as they say "red-handed," and all the political fuss around them is precisely political. They need to be judged.
Those examples that you cited are UNDERSTANDING pretext.
Slightly different "weight" categories - don't you think?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Vyacheslav.
The sailors were "caught" as they say "red-handed," and all the political fuss around them is precisely political. They need to be judged.
Those examples that you cited are UNDERSTANDING pretext.
Slightly different "weight" categories - don't you think?

OK, let the citizen of the Russian Federation continue to rot in the SIZO, 6 years? Either send special forces of the MTR for him to the roof of the pre-trial detention center tomorrow, or secretly take him out of Ukraine today. Because he is at large temporarily, they are waiting for Russia's move. It will not work to label him "he knew where he was going," because then there was still Old Ukraine. It was she who showed her face on May 2, 2014.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Personally, I think that the sailors will be convicted first, and then Putin will have mercy. Under the exchange.

[Honest Citizen]

Vyacheslav.
I understand you emotionally. And I also understand your indignation.
But there is, his mother is so, I myself do not like it, "international practice". You understand that the life of one citizen of Russia, for me personally, means much more than the entire ukroflot.
But here you cannot, understand, you cannot put an equal sign. Because this sign will cause a "wave" of the fact that the citizens of the Russian Federation will be missed everywhere with or without reason. Now, and so many Russian citizens are rotting in US prisons, but this is not a reason to grab their citizens and exchange them for ours.
Ukromoryaki is a crime. Our citizen in their pre-trial detention center is arbitrariness. From the point of view of international law, and everyone is looking at it one way or another, it looks like that. Political movements around the first and around the second are another question.

[210ox]

Unfortunately, there are hundreds of such cases. But this should in no way be connected with the Ukromorehods and mockers in the strait. By the way, what about our border guards detained a couple of years ago?

[Antares]

Quote: 210ox

By the way, what about our border guards detained a couple of years ago?

by. Ukrainians? Sit for desertion. They are officially Ukrainians. Passport issued in Crimea is not recognized by anyone in the world (except for the Russian Federation)
In general, in Ukraine

According to information from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, approximately 400 Russian citizens are currently in Ukrainian places of deprivation of liberty.

between the countries there are still agreements on extradition of criminals and they give each other out. Exchanges of convicted persons are carried out regularly.
In total, from 2014 to 2017, Ukraine sent 234 requests for extradition to Russia. Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation satisfied 58 requests
Since 2014, the GPU extradited 36 people to the Russian Federation, Russia extradited Ukraine to 58
Ukraine, incidentally, recently extradited a native of Ingushetia at the request of the Russian Federation
despite his merits (fought for the Armed Forces of Ukraine) and the protection of nationalists. The Russian Federation sent a request with documents and the GPU issued it to the Russians. The GPU saw nothing special in hindering
The campaign of the GPU and the GP of the Russian Federation simply laugh at the fake persecution of politicians in both countries (when the charges against politicians with processes)
but ordinary citizens are only pawns in this game. They simply play their fates ... use for ratings.

[Thrifty]

Sailors should be given to ukroin after serving their full term! And I personally agree with the opinion of Wolfovich!

[Sergei 23]

It’s worth talking with any appan. And this is not a refund but an exchange. And you probably guess that we have someone to change the Ukrainian sailors for.

[Roma 1977]

There is an opinion that a sentence for sailors to live in Ukraine will be a sophisticated punishment. With Savchenko, this worked like oud better than keeping her in Russia.

[Sergey-8848]

Only the court! These are not "poor and disenfranchised" Ukrainian sailors, but provocateurs who sought to exacerbate the situation in the Kerch Strait region and in both seas.

[Well done]

And imagine what these provocateurs say! They will return to the Square and will broadcast about torture, humiliation, etc. etc.

[friend of animals]

"Harshly criticized by Zhirinovsky"

[Dym71]

Quote: friend of beasts

"Harshly criticized by Zhirinovsky"

Vladimir Volkovich master of safety, play ahead of the curve and create a counterweight to the might!

[gsev]

In general, the more Ukrainian sailors are sitting on their bunks, the less other VSUshnikov and SBUshnikov will be tempted to show zeal in the execution of the wild orders of their leadership. The longer they sit, the calmer it will be on the Ukrainian-Russian border. In general, their release should be made dependent on the implementation by Ukraine of the Minsk agreements. First, the implementation of Minsk, then amnesty for violators.

[machinistvl]

Everything as always, shook his finger, "it's not good to do that" and let him go. The shouts will rejoice and arrange a new provocation, and what they will release anyway, only it is not known how the new provocation will turn out!

[UVB]

My opinion is permissible to exchange or on some other conditions to release, but only ordinary sailors and always after the trial. But in no case neither the captains of these pelvis, nor even SBUshnikov! These should be fully responsible for their actions.

[Gray brother]

Kommersant is a poor source - commercial, in the worst sense of the word.
Nobody will be given anywhere, at least for no reason. There is someone to change.

[rocket757]

Condemn and give them naf, naf! Although the best option, CHANGE for our sitters who are there!

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Volodya.
I have been fighting off mine for a long time. So long ago that I can’t even remember. Who, you say, need to say your opinion in person? You, the Russian Guard, Navalny, Medvedev, Putin? No problem. At least now, at least an hour, at least tomorrow.
That's just interesting - are you going to stand up "under the banner", or "khataskaynichat" will you?

Your courage would be worthy of respect if you had your name. But an "honest citizen" is not who. Dog bullshit. Tell me who you are and what your name is and I will be the first to bow my head before you - for courage.

[APASUS]

Now any gesture is possible. Putin seems to have a deadline and interests of citizens to the side (pension reform), I won’t be surprised that we just give them away in order to get into the G-8, for example

[Moskovit]

The businessman has already decided everything. It remains to persuade Putin to do this. There are no small children at the VO, so why is there such faith in a publication that has repeatedly come across on fake news and has lost the courts.

[Barmaleyka]

The Kommersant publication writes that it has information about the transfer of Ukrainian sailors to Kiev.

Why gossip ?!

[Victoria-V]

You turn on the troll or the fool ...

[Barmaleyka]

I’ve so singed you keep yourself smart, so tell me which of the officials confirmed the info

[Victoria-V]

Here the day before yesterday: Moscow discussed with Kiev the topic of the exchange of held persons. This was announced to reporters by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

Peskov explained that this issue was raised at the talks this week between Vladimir Putin and Emmanuel Macron in France. At the same time, specific persons, according to spokesman Vladimir Putin, were out of the question.

“An exchange of views on the settlement problem in southeastern Ukraine took place in great detail, Russian-Ukrainian relations were discussed in detail, including the topic of the exchange of held persons,” RIA Novosti quoted Peskova as saying.

Answering the question about the progress in the issue of the exchange of retained persons, Peskov explained that "certain contacts are being made in this regard."

The spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, also said that the agency has information on the exchange of prisoners, but cannot share it, since the competent authorities should deal with this issue. https://tvzvezda.ru/

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Victoria-In

Here the day before yesterday: Moscow discussed with Kiev the topic of the exchange of held persons. This was announced to reporters by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

I look at the book ....
where is here about the sailors? !!!!

[Victoria-V]

You are not a troll. Turn on the fool .... Everyone understands, except you. We will wait 5 days.

[Barmaleyka]

worst of all is to believe in what he himself came up with and after that, upset that did not happen

[Victoria-V]

Everything is very simple. The return of seafarers takes place as part of the implementation of the decision of the UN International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea. It is very undesirable for Russia to argue with the tribunal at the moment.

[Antares]

Quote: Victoria-In

Quarreling with the tribunal at the moment, Russia is very undesirable.

it’s just the next time when the Russian Federation’s request for MT on the situation with its ships / ships in controversial situations, the MT will send away and will not, as in the case of the Japanese, take the side of the Russian Federation.
Those who ignore TM will not meet MT support in other contentious situations at sea and oceans.
Although officially - the Russian Federation does not recognize the jurisdiction of MT! But it is loud and official. A quiet and undercover-will have to. At least without the exchange, it’s simple for the future. Otherwise, then MT with similar forum configuration will not consider anything with Russian ships in such situations.
In general, Zelensky easier to agree with Putin. And the exchange lists are ready, and desires are also there.
It was even easier for Putin's former partner, but he got stuck on the "aggressor" ..

[Karaul14]

The sailors acted on direct orders and Ukraine recognizes this, respectively, according to all laws, these are prisoners of war and to impute to them an illegal armed crossing there, as if it were their personal motivation, this is stupidity and they go to it deliberately. I am touched by what someone says about Putin's inability to pardon them while the investigation is underway, I assure you, this is such "justice" that tomorrow Putin will want and the court will convene and in 5 minutes will make the right decision. And if you look at international law, then absolutely most of the world did not recognize Crimea as Russian, respectively, from their point of view, Russia generally seized sailors in Ukrainian territorial waters