The Ministry of Defense tightens the rules for the sale of military uniforms and insignia

The Ministry of Defense is developing amendments to the Code of Administrative Offenses (CAO) regarding the punishment of the unauthorized sale of army uniforms and toughening the punishment for illegal wearing of military uniforms and insignia. This is reported by "Izvestia" with reference to the military department.

The Ministry of Defense intends to introduce a punishment for unauthorized trade in army uniforms and toughen the punishment for illegal wearing of military uniforms and insignia. It also considers amendments to the Criminal Code regarding the illegal use of military uniforms when committing a crime. If such amendments are adopted, illegal use of the form will be an aggravating circumstance.

Amendments to the Code of Administrative Offenses provide for the imposition of fines on individuals or legal entities for the sale of military uniforms to persons who do not have the right to wear it. Currently, there is no such prohibition and anyone with a military uniform with insignia can buy it. The ban applies only to the sale of the form of law enforcement agencies - in special stores require the presentation of an official certificate.

The current administrative code penalizes the unlawful wearing of uniforms “with insignia, with symbols of state militarized organizations, law enforcement or regulatory authorities”. The sanctions of this article provide for the imposition of a fine of one to one and a half thousand rubles with the removal of the form. However, no sanctions for the sale of military uniforms are provided.

Today in Russia they sew and sell military ammunition completely uncontrollably. Recently, a large number of stores have appeared where you can buy any element of military clothing or equipment. Also, the form is sold by private individuals who illegally acquire it, for example, in military warehouses. This is used by mummers who wear camouflage and beg, pretending to be veterans of the fighting in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and now Syria. Often they commit crimes in military uniform. This does not add credibility to the Russian armed forces, and this must be fought

- said military expert Vladislav Shurygin, adding that the uncontrolled use of military uniforms must be strictly prevented, as is done, for example, in the United States.

The Ministry of Defense hopes that the measures taken will help in the fight against the illegal use of military uniforms and, ultimately, will positively affect the authority of the Russian army.

Comments

[V1er]

It is high time. Criminals are actively exploiting this loophole.

[Civil]

Quote: V1er

It is high time. Criminals are actively exploiting this loophole.

I support, the military uniform has a military purpose. But one should go to the mushrooms and to the forest in bright, special clothes, so that from a helicopter of the Ministry of Emergencies, if anything, a mortal body could be seen.

[maxim947]

Everything is more commonplace, MO does not want to share its revenue. It is not difficult to guess to whom the official production of military uniforms and other paraphernalia belongs. There are a shortage of things in warehouses with accessories; servicemen are constantly buying in stores. From this conclusion, the stores will conclude corresponding agreements giving the right to sell all this and will unfasten part of the revenue of the Moscow Region, so everything will rise in price ..

[4ekist]

What does the revenue and the Ministry of Defense have to do with it? This form is sewn by both convicts in the zones and garment factories; you can buy it in any gateway, and at a bargain price. There are no problems with this. And what should be toughened punishments committed with the use of uniforms or without, it is clear.
Especially persons with military status, punish mercilessly. Recall the gop colonels of billionaires.

[maxim947]

Our stripes are stable or introduce new ones, or change old ones, they have already pulled up.
I received and put in order the parade, I bought all the accessories, shoulder straps, emblems myself, they are not in stock, thanks to "these" stores, a new one was introduced a year later. Our ministers have a sore preoccupation with constantly changing military uniforms. I agree that it is necessary to change, but not so often.
And what you write, that the uniform is sewn by prisoners, etc. , then no one argues with this, the question is different - who is "between" the prisoners and the MO itself. But your idealism is commendable.
About the entered office uniform, it is impossible without a mat at all (a purely personal opinion), the material is complete, but the stripes are stuck inadvertently. I have a dad on a demobilization for 30 years, still picking on a garden in an Afghan.

[basmach]

Yes, the Afghan was that thing. And as for the modern field domestic, in stores it sucks. The material is crap, the quality of tailoring too. I wanted to buy first, rummaged around Moscow shops, spat and bought the Bundesovskaya (if you look, you can find a new one, put together a couple of sets). Satisfied with the most reluctant. And found a membrane

[Amin_vivec]

Let's define what a "military uniform" is?
Is the "slide" a form? and "Encephalitis"? Hunting suits? Are all camouflages considered military uniforms? I've seen on sale a women's camouflage swimsuit and family briefs ...
The military uniform of the Russian Federation is one thing, but the military uniform of the Indian army is a fancy dress ... And the military uniform "SS"? And what about the old-style military uniform? 41-45 years old? 15-18 years old? 1812? 1242 years old?
What to prohibit then ??? What do they mean by "military uniform"?

[Vend]

In the USSR, even military buttons could not be bought without the presentation of documents, well, or one had to be in uniform, and the uniform was also not sold just like that.

[bubalik]

In the USSR, even military buttons could not be bought without presenting documents

Maxim Perepelitsa. Are there documents for the icons?

[Vend]

Quote: bubalik

In the USSR, even military buttons could not be bought without presenting documents

Maxim Perepelitsa. Are there documents for the icons?

Well this is definitely an archival document

[K-50]

Damn, if you put on a "lump", you will go pick mushrooms, and you will be fined.
But.

[Kurare]

Quote: K-50

Damn, put on a "lump" and go pick mushrooms ...

Here, probably all the same, it’s not about clothes as such, but the form, i.e. clothes with insignia and state. symbolism. So, you will go on mushrooms and fishing further!

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: K-50

Damn, if you put on a "lump", you will go pick mushrooms, and you will be fined.
But.

I think that without stripes and insignia nothing threatens. In general, specialized tourist clothes and shoes are much more convenient and comfortable ... though a little more expensive, but worth it. After the service itself, lumps, berets, and other miscellaneous lay idle in the barn, first dressed for nature, by inertia, but quickly asked the question - what for is it to me? in the army, didn’t he? Now everything is on the HH, so to speak, with the exception of one lump for different household chores.

[ltc35]

For the forest I keep a blue overalls with white reflectors. As shoes - kirzachi with footcloths, and I use the army uniform with insignia only on August 2, but on this day I think the MO will have no questions for me. Deserved it. I condemn the mummers unambiguously. It is necessary to establish order in the wearing of the statutory form.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: ltc35

only on August 2nd

Well, I think that on August 2 there’s a little bit of digging up companies in blue berets about the legality of wearing their uniforms On such days, one shouldn’t rest against the rules very much, unnecessary trouble can happen .. there are few masochists in the police and patrols.

[jjj]

And now on May 28, on the last Sunday of July and August 2 in budgets of the federation, budgets will be replenished with fines

[Ilya Sukhorukov]

First, properly stock the warehouses of clothing property ... From the school until 2019, I bought and sewed 90% of the form, at the warehouse, what the hell. .

[Doliva63]

Quote: Ilya Sukhorukov

First, properly stock the warehouses of clothing property ... From the school until 2019, I bought and sewed 90% of the form, at the warehouse, what the hell. .

When I sewed a uniform in the USSR Armed Forces, I did not pay for it. And right now at your own expense, or what?

[bubalik]

,, and how to determine: military clothing or not?

[PSih2097]

Quote: bubalik

,, and how to determine: military clothing or not?

[Piramidon]

In my time, the commandant’s office shamelessly pressed those who at least somehow violated the rules of wearing a military uniform (such as peacock demobilization), they could only show it in their village. And if you didn’t rightly put it on at all, then the special officers understood it.

[Nycomed]

I remember how my friend was a lieutenant who had just graduated from a civilian university (with a military department) in a construction specialty, and he was lured away by military builders from Spetsstroy and received a referral to Severodvinsk. And it was necessary to go through Moscow, there were some pieces of paper in the department to get and it was necessary to go in uniform. And it was winter time and he really did not like the length of the overcoat and he shortened it by ten centimeters. So for half an hour I ran from the patrol all over GUM. Oh we were laughing!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Piramidon

In my time, the commandant’s office shamelessly pressed those who at least somehow violated the rules of wearing a military uniform (such as peacock demobilization), they could only show it in their village. And if you didn’t rightly put it on at all, then the special officers understood it.

Well, probably not the commandant’s office, but the commandant’s patrol? We, the ordinary army officers, went with him with our fighters. On Palace Square in Leningrad, I met a purely officer patrol: Major / Underground - Chief Patrol and
captains / majors are patrolmen.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Doliva63

Well, probably not the commandant’s office, but the commandant’s patrol? We, the ordinary army officers, went with him with our fighters.

that's why we went to the training camp in the NATO lump USMC (ACU Pattern), so that the command with the cops climbed less ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: Doliva63

Well, probably not the commandant’s office, but the commandant’s patrol? We, the ordinary army officers, went with him with our fighters.

that's why we went to the training camp in the NATO lump USMC (ACU Pattern), so that the command with the cops climbed less ...

At that time, the maximum was "Angolan" from Cuba. Wow, too, by the way.

[ultra]

Here it is necessary to separate the cutlets from the flies. Signs of distinction and the uniform of the established sample are naturally sold only in Voentorg, but there is a bunch of field uniforms that have nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, why should they be prohibited from selling?

[klaus16]

And it will not be banned. Talk about the statutory form and insignia.

[Gray brother]

Quote: ultra

but there’s a bunch of field uniforms that have nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs,

Not every spotted rag is a military uniform.

[Klingon]

I agree, but what about for example, fans to play Airsoft?
in Germany you can buy a Bundeswehr form and special auxiliaries (unloading, etc.) but of course everything without insignia is understandable. I even bought with flags, I tore off and stuck Klingon chevrons * House Martok * instead

[Gray brother]

Quote: Klingon

in Germany you can buy a Bundeswehr uniform

In Russia too.

[Nycomed]

Everything is correct, as in Soviet times in military organizations. It was possible to buy something for civilian comrades, but something only on presentation of official crusts.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Nycomed

Everything is correct, as in Soviet times in military organizations. It was possible to buy something for civilian comrades, but something only on presentation of official crusts.

Why reinvent the wheel again? It is forbidden to wear with insignia, so punish. The penalty for this is small, well, increase and punish.
And what V. Shurygin writes:

Often in military uniform commit crimes

so this is complete nonsense. Because criminals, if there is such a need, in any case they will put on a uniform and this will be the least, for which they will be judged if detained. They are so, outside of any law act.
Next.
There are many ways to change the form a little and it will be practically indistinguishable from the statutory one, but formally it cannot be considered as such. (Unless of course it is radically forbidden for civilians to completely use military shades and colors). And who can determine from a distance whether there were criminals in the military or in the civilian version?
Regarding the authority of the army. Well, I use several lumps on the hunt, as well as in nature I put on a slide. Why? Yes, because such clothes in this case are appropriate, they are satisfied with the quality and functionality, and most importantly, that is affordable. Specialized tourist and hunting, often more expensive, but not always better (and also, often indistinguishable from a military from a distance).
I undermine this, that I use a uniform without insignia, somehow the authority of the army? I very much doubt that it is. And I’m popularizing the army so precisely. Because the same slide, sitting on me is not even bad. So to speak, visual advertising and agitation in favor of our army.

PS Well, they will ban ours, many will dress NATO, they will popularize their army. Better, what will it be? But there is a law now, even if law enforcement agencies simply monitor this. Without additional delusional prohibitions.

[Nycomed]

They wrote everything absolutely correctly, plus to you!

[Michman]

You do not have the right to wear a slide. Someday you will run into a specialist who will require you to explain.

[Valery Valery]

Recently, a store for many military personnel is the only place to acquire uniforms, especially for fittings.
The regular office uniform does not live its life, can withstand a maximum of two or three washings. Patent shoes are generally a disaster for the feet.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Valery Valery

Regular office uniform

Is there such a thing too?

[PSih2097]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Is there such a thing too?

there, here she is ...

and still there is a daily routine, a field vole and a parade ...

[KVU-NSVD]

The form is the front, casual and field. I didn’t hear about the office, although I quit like not so long ago. In the picture, one of the types of summer casuals. I once also made short sleeves on a uniform shirt and wore shoulder straps in summer without a tunic, but from this she still remained a part of everyday clothing.

[PSih2097]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I didn’t hear about the office

This is a form from Shoigu, a la working from the Ministry of Emergencies ...

[PSih2097]

This form was originally designed for subsequent actions ...
1. You come to the service in everyday life.
2. Dress up in this form - you drum the work day.
3. At the end, dress up everyday and move home.

[tank64rus]

This was so in the USSR.

[jjj]

And who will remember in what troops they wore a dress?

[pv1005]

Quote: jjj

And who will remember in what troops they wore a dress?

Navy

[g1washntwn]

With the current uniform and insignia, it is logical. But what to do with the concepts of "analogue", "historical copy", "warrant officer's carnival costume", etc.?

[Doctor Evil]

I have an old zipun with a shoulder strap on the belly. I’ll go burn, everything to the Ministry of Defense will be calmer.

[BAI]

First of all, you need to stop this booth with mummers clowns at parades and other events dedicated to the Second World War. And in other cases - if after the service the field form remains - what to throw it away? She is very useful in the household.

[BAI]

booth with mummers clowns

I mean all sorts of "KGB marshals" and aunts-generals.

[Nastia makarova]

it is written that a ban on a form featuring signs

[Barmaleyka]

The Ministry of Defense tightens the rules for the sale of military uniforms and insignia

It is high time

[viktor_ui]

Very interesting ... and can slow down the sale of key weapons elements ??? Although what am I talking about, in Deripapaska I became the owner of the Angara cascade in Tihar and we are now burning and drowning at the same time. An hour on the radio again began to creep menacingly about the inadmissibility of barbecue and other types of frying in all kinds of areas ... apparently mushroom pickers, in the place with summer residents of the taiga for a month and a half and fired selflessly ... What I want, in that I go to the forest, you can ask I have this question in the fir tree and I will be happy to answer it there. An idiotic initiative.

[mi ah]

Yes confirm. We have a rather poor supply. The pants of the jumpsuit are wiped up to the holes, there is no new one. And now it will not be bought yet

[Simargl]

Quote: Mih-ai

We have a rather poor supply.
...
And now it will not be bought yet

Why? Those who are allowed - upon presentation of a document ...

[alstr]

It’s actually too late.
The effect will be zero at a tremendous cost.
The only thing that can be done is to control the wearing of uniforms with shoulder straps.
Everything else is not real and will cause a lot of conflicts.
Especially when you consider that 90% of the population will not be able to distinguish whether the form is statutory or not.
And another 90% of the remaining ones will be confused in models that operate or do not work, because Recently, we have changed shape several times.

[ss-n-22]

The counter proposal is to stop stealing camouflage, equipment, shoes, sights, LOC, NVD, thermal imagers and technologies from a likely enemy.

[Barmaleyka]

still disguised Cossacks forbid

[jjj]

I could still deserve the Red Star. But when is the Order of the Red Banner?

[Barmaleyka]

But for Yegoriya the question does not arise?

[lelik613]

Do not touch the holy! They will be born immediately in a uniform, with orders ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

As for the insignia, yes, it is possible to toughen the punishment and prohibit the full sale of them for the civilian market. As for the form, here you can also introduce a partial ban on its wearing. It was not bad here for one, to regulate the law on wearing foreign uniforms. If the sale of our form is completely prohibited, then they will begin to sell, bypassing the law, the form of foreign states.

[Svetlana]

Quote: g1washntwn

With the current uniform and insignia, it is logical. But what to do with the concepts of "analogue", "historical copy", "warrant officer's carnival costume", etc.?

Everything has its place. You do not sit on the bus in swimming trunks, they have a place on the beach.
Carnival costumes place on a carnival. Historical copies in theaters, productions and cinema.

[capitosha1rang]

Another nonsense of officials!
Why on earth did the departments begin to develop amendments to articles of federal codes?
It is clear when the Ministry of Justice and specialized committees of the State Duma are engaged in this.
And so soon everyone who is not lazy will begin to produce laws, or rather, who has nothing to do.
I advise the initiators from the Moscow region to take an example from "shops for adults", because you can't just enter them from the street, first prove that you are an adult - and that it is easier than selling uniforms, accessories, etc. in specialized stores, and as correctly noted - upon presentation of a certificate.

[fighter angel]

Damn, but it’s good that flying overalls, sliders, jackets and technicals go without insignia! And then they would have been banned from wearing a civilian ...

[rocket757]

Is this normal?
Something specific, insignia, special labels, and so on, were not sold to everyone!
What now, the child will not be able to wear a cap with an asterisk!
Let them make the army such, from which any "dirt" will bounce off without getting dirty !!! This is the best thing that can be done .... and we have seen all sorts of forbidden people in our life without counting ... and here again!
In short, nonsense, regular as before. RAKE!!!

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: rocket757

What now, the child will not be able to wear a cap with an asterisk!

you about such a child in a cap ?!

Do you even know that neither the cap nor the asterisk on it are an attribute of the uniform of a serviceman of the Russian army ?!

[Barmaleyka]

in pursuit of a child in a cap

[bubalik]

,,, well, a person is sick, for the whole head .... "Mother heroine" is, no? and then the incomplete.

[rocket757]

Quote: bubalik

,,, well, a person is sick, for the whole head .... "Mother heroine" is, no? and then the incomplete.

For the "sick" everything is clear, even if the military paraphernalia does not repeat the original, but has a high degree of similarity (by the way, there is still the same problem), you can take by the gills and determine where it should be !!! Only clearly define, prescribe who, where and for what.
But what does this have to do with clothing of a specific cut and colors like military?
By the way, there are still caps in the Russian army, without stars, with a "crab" for example. Can any parent who served in the Navy give a gift to a child !!!
Just bans, if not on the transformer booth "Do not fit, it is dangerous for life !!!", NEVER BROUGHT ANYONE USE!
This is the RAKE, which suffered the next dunks! They don’t know how to work, don’t want to work, but they are able to create a type of violent activity!

[Fitter65]

Quote: maxim947

There are a shortage of things in warehouses with accessories; servicemen are constantly buying in stores. From this conclusion, the stores will conclude corresponding agreements giving the right to sell all this and will unfasten part of the revenue of the Moscow Region, so everything will rise in price ..

The fact that there was always a shortage of clothing allowances, accessories, and other things, it is not a secret at the warehouses, the most interesting thing is that with the correct "formulation of the question", everything was issued, moreover, according to the size and certificate. Honestly, for the last 8 years of service, my neighbor on the staircase was the head of the storage warehouse, after a couple of weeks we became "not bad" neighbors, then generally "our people", I received everything in the warehouse, though at a separate time, well, with the calculation in the evening. Well, these are memories. Now the same eggs, but a side view. There is a form (in sets, as it should be now) in warehouses - only your size, as in the Soviet Union, is not, everything is as old as the world. The uniform has already been changed 6 times after the Union, the provision standards have been changed 4 times, the order of wearing, I don’t remember how many times, but the principle of issuance, as it was still in the First World War, has remained to this day (but put the damask to the company sergeant major, unfasten the captain, roll out the bubble in the warehouse ) and has remained to this day. And if you don't want to be affixed, go to "Zvezda", or "Goldfish, or" Overalls "(this is Komsomolsk-on-Amur), you will buy everything you need there. and so on, etc. ", no problem at all. After all, they say now the market, pay-get.

[Popov Konstantin Ivanovich]

And will they also be punished for wearing "Special Equipment" products or normal BDU from PROPERA in everyday - tourist - domestic - sports - Starball conditions? And who said that "Gorka" is precisely military uniforms, by what order it is formalized and how the executive bodies will inform me which one and whose (which department) bylaw (order, order on wearing, use, etc.) violated being dressed in 3-CAMO from the same PROPPER or HELICON ?

[rocket757]

Such "mind-blowing" ideas are usually born in empty heads, in which the option to THINK, the task entrusted to be properly executed is not included AT ALL!
With the army in general, and so for the most part norms !!!
We respect, we trust, the PEOPLE, the enemies are afraid ..... the rest is organizational measures, established rules that simply need to be clearly followed!
They do not know how, crooked hands, brains ... that is, there are no brains! Deny and everything is easy ???

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Yes everything is correct.
And then how many of their fake Polkans, majors and Soviet generals.
And other combatants.
I am ashamed of some of the mummers of our military.

[Alexey Almaatinets]

I remember the 70s with a smile: school, nvp - I bought a shirt and tie at the military store without any problems, but accessories - buttonholes, stars - it was impossible to buy there. But at the railway station in the kiosk of railway workers - "major" stars were bought without any problems (they were needed for the school military forces).

[saygon66]

- In the Law on Military Duty (53-ФЗ), article 39, everything is spelled out ... Why produce bans on paper? Monitor tightly - and only ... Military police have it.