Serbian Defense Minister calls Russian Mi-35M flying tanks

The Minister of Defense of Serbia visited the Rostvertol helicopter plant in Rostov-on-Don. Serbia has already purchased a batch of helicopters in Russia and intends to deepen its partnership in the military-technical sphere.

Commenting on the previous purchase of Mi-35M helicopters, Serbian Minister of Defense Alexander Vulin called these Russian helicopters the best in the world in their class. According to Vulin, the Mi-35M is real flying Tanksthat allow you to reliably protect the Serbian airspace and strengthen the combat potential of the country.

The Minister of Defense of Serbia added that he was purchasing arms from Russia Belgrade for the sole purpose of not letting anyone talk to the Serbs from a position of strength. Alexander Vulin added that peace in the Balkans remains a priority for Serbia.

By the end of the year, the Serbian Air Force will include seven Mi-35 helicopters and three Mi-17 helicopters.

As military-technical support, Belgrade will also receive from Russia (already free of charge) three dozen T-72 tanks and as many BRDM-2 tanks. The first batch of BRDM-2 has already arrived in Serbia.

Negotiations are ongoing on the supply of the Serbian army air defense missile systems Tunguska and air defense systems Buk-M2.

Recall that not so long ago in Pristina (Kosovo) they announced a certain kind of territorial claims against Belgrade, which led to a new round of escalation.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Sometimes it’s so pathetic for these Serbs, they ALSO have a power that does not really think about the interests of the people!

[carstorm 11]

in each branch should be noted in thoughts about the people?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

Sometimes so sorry for these Serbs

Why sometimes?
To regret so sorry. Transfer your salary to them in the form of humanitarian aid.

the government does not really think about the interests of the people!

Did the people complain to you? And how often do you communicate with the Serbian people?
Weapons purchased for what? Not to protect the people?

[ltc35]

Also, three dozen tanks for free. I understand, brothers, but such bounties are hard to understand.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ltc35

Also, three dozen tanks for free.

Three dozen T-72 tanks and the same number of BRDM-2s will hit our defense.
I also sometimes share with my neighbors. Is free.
Why not help an ally?

[Archon]

It is not indicated which modification of the tanks.

[Lipchanin]

So for you what is more important the fact itself, or modification?
"They do not look at a given horse's teeth"

[Archon]

The difference is huge. Topvar has hundreds of articles about modernization of t72 and the price difference of various modifications. Either it's 30 tanks of the latest modification with new engines and electronics, or it's stupidly 30 canned tanks from warehouses.

[Lipchanin]

Firstly. What is the difference, what is the price of different modifications?
Did you read this?

Belgrade will also receive from Russia (already free)

Secondly. "Stupidly" comments are left.
Allies for

military technical support

Trash will not pass

[Archon]

The cost of upgrading T-72б to the level of T-72Б3 arr. 2016 of the year is 1,2 million dollars.
Perhaps Serbia is able to independently upgrade its tanks and install equipment that is more convenient or advanced. For example, put French or Israeli electronics.

[sabakina]

1,2 million dollars.

You write about one tank or about everything?

[Archon]

For one car. The cost of the entire update package is about 78,9 million rubles for the Russian defense department.
Therefore, it is interesting which version of the tanks was donated.

[aszzz888]

Archon Today, 10: 11
+1
For one car. The cost of the entire update package is about 78,9 million rubles for the Russian defense department.
Therefore, it is interesting which version of the tanks was donated.

something like that-

That Serbia will receive from Russia free of charge six MiG-29 fighters, 30 T-72C tanks and 30 light armored vehicles BRDM-2, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić agreed with Russian Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu back in 2016 However, Serbia will pay for a three-stage modernization of fighters to the required standards - it will cost the country from 180 to 230 million euros.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Archon

The cost of upgrading T-72б to the level of T-72Б3 arr. 2016 of the year is 1,2 million dollars.
Perhaps Serbia is able to independently upgrade its tanks and install equipment that is more convenient or advanced. For example, put French or Israeli electronics.

I repeat the question again. WHAT difference does it give you at what PRICE?
What they will do with them we have nothing to do.
We no longer have these tanks, no

[Archon]

If the tanks are not upgraded, then do not worry. But now it’s all the same.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Archon

If the tanks are not upgraded, then do not worry

Who's scared? Why scary? Are you afraid to see them under the window?

[Amin_vivec]

Serbs are good at upgrading the T-72 on their own, for example, the M-84AS - doesn’t resemble anything ???

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Archon

It is not indicated which modification of the tanks.

This topic has already been discussed at VO, see here https://topwar.ru/160499-minoborony-serbii-poluchilo-ot-rossii-tridcat-bronemashin-brdm-2.html#comment-id-9545116

Russia in the 2016 year concluded an agreement with Serbia on the transfer to it at no cost of 30 of the T-72С tanks, 30 BRDM-2 combat reconnaissance vehicles, as well as 6-Mig-29 fighters. The fighters underwent a major overhaul with modernization and have been serving in the Serbian Air Force since 2018.

[Archon]

It turns out that these tanks were already intended for export in advance.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Archon

It turns out that these tanks were already intended for export in advance.

Export "is a sale.
A gift is something else.
As a gift they can put something that you don’t even know about.
It’s not your business what is inside. They know who gave and who received the gift. Others don't need to know

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Archon

It turns out that these tanks were already intended for export in advance.

Export "is a sale.
A gift is something else.
As a gift they can put something that you don’t even know about.
It’s not your business what is inside. They know who gave and who received the gift. Others don't need to know

True remark about what's inside the gifts. Perhaps the Archon meant this:

T-72С (1987) - an export version of the T-72Б tank. The original name is the T-72М1М tank. The main differences: 155 containers of mounted dynamic protection (instead of 227), lack of breakdown on the tower, armor and tower reservations are kept at the level of the T-72М1 tank, and a different set of ammunition for the gun. They came into service with the Russian army in 1993 after the disruption of a number of export supplies.

[Archon]

yes i meant it

[aszzz888]

Archon Today, 08: 49
+2
It is not indicated which modification of the tanks.

News
Serbia will receive from Russia six MiG-29 and 30 T-72Б3 tanks
Interfax 12 August 2017 19: 28

Serbia will receive from Russia 30 T-72B3 tanks, Serbian Minister of Defense Alexander Vulin told reporters. He recalled that the supply of tanks is part of the military-technical agreement concluded between Russia and Serbia.

most likely this "modification" ...

[Nikolay87]

Quote: ltc35

Also three dozen tanks for free

.
Come on you. 30 tanks from the largest army of tanks in the world.

I understand, brothers

And for me, you don’t understand.

[Incvizitor]

Oh God

7000 T-72, T-72A and T-72B in storage

as many as three dozen minus, it is better to let it be stored and then cut ...

[Amin_vivec]

It’s hard for you to understand.
There are not so many countries in the world that are ready to openly advocate rapprochement with Russia, especially in Europe; support our initiatives at the UN; advocate and lobby for the lifting of sanctions (although not very successfully so far), but they are crushed, humiliated for it, and their heroes are tried in The Hague. Russia is interested in this position, and 20 tanks built 40-50 years ago and standing in a warehouse are not the price - you need to worry about.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

More specifically, what does it mean? -

they, too, the government does not particularly think about the interests of the people

The people of their country, shouldn't the authorities provide protection? Or maybe for Serbia there is no one to defend against?

What do you carry and for what purpose?

[Nycomed]

"named these Russian helicopters the best in their class in the world."
Correctly named. Helicopters of this class are not produced in the world and no one has ever produced. Mi-24/35 is the only one in the world.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Nycomed

Helicopters of this class are not produced in the world and no one has ever produced.

Yes, as unnecessary, the practice of the Vietnam War and other conflicts showed that it is better to develop fire support helicopters and airborne transport helicopters.

[serg.shishkov2015]

and sometimes there’s no separate transport, but it’s very necessary! So we need such a craftsman! and the landing will drop off and support him with fire, but he must work on tanks in full! And about the downed Mi-24 * Phantom * did not hear? As far as I know, the only case in history that a helicopter shot down a combat aircraft (not a light-weight ratchet!), It’s only in a movie that turntables shoot down fighters! And the NATO helicopter pilots in the rules of conducting air combat with a combat aircraft have only methods of evading attacks! And postscript - following these instructions, you have some chances to survive!

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

about the downed Mi-24 * Phantom * have not heard?

no, but I heard about the downed Su-25 for sure, so it's not

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

the only case in history

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

and sometimes there’s no separate transport, but it’s very necessary!

it does not happen)))

[svp67]

Mi-35, not only "tank", but also "BMP"

[Nycomed]

Absolutely agree! This is a flying BMP!

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Nycomed

This is a flying BMP!

only cases of using it in the form of a flying BMP tend to zero, so most likely a flying tank

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I know for sure that the Mi-24 in Chechnya was very often used to deliver special forces groups. Why did you decide that the use of this type of helicopter tends to zero?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Mi-24 in Chechnya was very often used to deliver special forces

where are the firewood from? When delivering special forces groups, they were used for cover, there are Mi-8s for landing, what are the advantages of the Mi-24 over the Mi-8 in this regard?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

He himself served there for 9 years, not in special forces, but nearby, then we also later had many from there serving under contract.

It was and when delivered to the Mi-24. The pilots will tell you the advantages in more detail, but in my opinion the Mi-24 is better protected and more maneuverable and high-speed, which makes it possible to deliver groups faster and more reliably, although less people take it on board.

On the Mi-24 sent to where the Mi-8 does not indulge.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Mi-24 and better protected and more maneuverable and high-speed,

yes, you’re right, but the question of maneuverability is that the Mi-24 maneuvers like hovering, as well as vertical take-off and landing (very difficult due to armor and dimensions), are just the most necessary maneuver for landing. And why does he need maneuverability to land a Special Forces group?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

On the Mi-24 sent to where the Mi-8 does not indulge.

and where do not get into the Mi-8?

[sabakina]

Quote: svp67

Mi-35, not only "tank", but also "BMP"

They would still be pure drums, in the form of Kamov machines ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: sabakina

They would still be pure drums, in the form of Kamov machines ..

Yes, I would also buy a lot of things in the store, but ...
Yes, and "we write two, three in the mind"

[Fitter65]

Literally 5 minutes ago I read such an article Soviet Ka-29 helicopter will be taken out of the "bins of the motherland": it has no equal to this day
Источник: https://novate.ru/blogs/220719/51120/?utm_source=pulse_mail_ru&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.mail.ru
really liked it, especially this currently in the Russian fleet already operates about one and a half Ka-29.
I’m interested in about one and a half helicopters. How is it?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Fitter65

I’m interested in about one and a half helicopters. How is it?

Not so long ago, on one of the branches, I touched these "about" and "about"
Previously, they drove for such a factory circulation

[Fitter65]

Quote: Lipchanin

for such a factory run

Yes, for this from the classroom wall kicked out

[demo]

The hurry hurried to jump farthest.
The journalist forgot to enter the word "tens".
And so you immediately fell into a stupor.
Or maybe one suitable, and one donor.
That’s one and a half.

[Fitter65]

Quote: demo

Or maybe one suitable, and one donor.
That's one and a half

So there were 2 (TWO) helicopters, but not one and a half. Even an empty fuselage for statistical tests is considered as a full-fledged aircraft, and is always included in the number of aircraft of this type

[Nikolay87]

Perfectly. I support both the purchase and the "gift". Sometimes it seems to me that the Serbs are closer to us than the rest.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolay87

Sometimes it seems to me that the Serbs are closer to us than the rest.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Serbs are Slavs from the lower Volga, then because of the constant raids of nomads they went to Europe in the Balkans, in general, Serbs are part of our Russian people, it is felt even through centuries and through distances.

From 30 tanks and BRDM we will not be poorer, and the Serb brothers need this help very much. They provoke them into conflict again, and I want them to have something to defend themselves with!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

They provoke them into conflict again,

Therefore, we help with weapons

[Fitter65]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

and the Serb brothers really need this help

And tell me, to me "not versed", how the Serb brothers helped us during the American aggression in Korea in 1950, how they reacted to our actions in Hungary, and similar actions in Czechoslovakia, their reaction to the Chinese provocation in Damansky? How and when did THESE brothers help us? !! Have they ever done something for us? No, they had agreements on friendship with the United States, Great Britain and other Western European countries, when they had everything, they did well, they were even lazy in our direction, they were lazy, let alone spit. And as the roasted cock pecked, all the sadness, RUSSIA SAVE !!! Brothers of the Slavs !!! And with what fright we have to tear our buttocks for the sake of someone else's happiness, with whom we were friends and complain ...

[Zaurbek]

The Minister of Defense of Serbia added that he was purchasing arms from Russia Belgrade for the sole purpose of not letting anyone talk to the Serbs from a position of strength.

To do this, the Serbs need at their own expense to build a base for the Air Force and Air Defense and invite the Russian Air Force there. And feed and water the military.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Zaurbek

To do this, the Serbs need at their own expense to build a base for the Air Force and Air Defense and invite the Russian Air Force there. And feed and water the military.

Yeah. The base is built for those who will be placed there. It will also be supplied at the expense of whose people are placed there.
You don’t confuse us with the Poles. That they are at their own expense ready to arrange a mattress base at home

[Zaurbek]

Not always .... Bahrain, Qatar, Poland ..... and such moves become a guarantee of the political stability of the state.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Zaurbek

Poland.....

Inattentively read?

You don’t confuse us with the Poles. it they are at their own expense ready to arrange a mattress base at home

What is their unstable situation there?
In Germany ?

[Zaurbek]

The Poles have a rich history with the loss of statehood .. they distrust the EU and although a direct agreement, like the United States and Israel. In Germany, the atavism of the Cold War.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

To do this, the Serbs need at their own expense to build a base for the Air Force and Air Defense and invite the Russian Air Force there. And feed and water the military.

You climb for the Serbs with fighters and air defense with the Albanian militants to understand?

And how are you going to deliver air defense systems and fighters to Serbia do not tell? Will you break through the battle with Bulgaria?

[Zaurbek]

I don’t propose anything ... The initiative here should only be from Serbia .. The base will only cover the air from external pressure ... and let the Serbs deal with the Albanians themselves .... This had to be done while Yugoslavia was .... and access to the sea. Without NATO bombing, the Serbs would put things in order.

[Angrybeard]

How interesting is the likelihood that the pick-up mongers surrounding Serbia will block any supply of military assistance? There delivery ways - by plane, expensively, may not give permission. Water, the most optimal, the Romanians have recently succumbed to, in Montenegro, it’s so simple that the analogue of the powder is sitting in power without power. Well, there, as I understand it, it is also not without problems - at least the same Poland.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Angrybeard

How interesting is the likelihood that the pick-up mongers surrounding Serbia will block any supply of military assistance?

And how likely is it that before this was announced, everything was calculated and prepared?
Or just blurted out?
True, if you know better from the couch ...

[Angrybeard]

Maybe there is some tricky plan. NATO has no tricks, they just sculpt the bases in the occupied Kosovo and in occupied Syria or Afghanistan. How to fight back the Serbs surrounded without our base, xs. Plans for further dismemberment of Serbia are still active, the Kosovars are troubled by a further redistribution of borders, pro-Western sixes in Vojvodina, and pro-Turkish in Sandzak not considering themselves part of Serbia. Sometimes according to such plans it is necessary to knock the butt of Kalash, of which there should be in abundance

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Angrybeard

Maybe there is some tricky plan

Firstly it can’t be. Such plans are calculated long before a decision is made.
Secondly, Any plan that is capable of deceiving is tricky. There are no others

How to fight back the Serbs surrounded without our base, xs.

Why did you read the article?

By the end of the year, the Serbian Air Force will include seven Mi-35 helicopters and three Mi-17 helicopters.

The Minister of Defense of Serbia added that he was purchasing arms from Russia Belgrade for the sole purpose of not letting anyone talk to the Serbs from a position of strength.

By the end of the year, the Serbian Air Force will include seven Mi-35 helicopters and three Mi-17 helicopters.

As military-technical support, Belgrade will also receive from Russia (already free of charge) three dozen T-72 tanks and as many BRDM-2 tanks. The first batch of BRDM-2 has already arrived in Serbia.

Negotiations are ongoing on the supply of the Serbian army air defense missile systems Tunguska and air defense systems Buk-M2.

And keep that "xs" with you.
Xs specialists do not deal with

[Popov Konstantin Ivanovich]

Probably the policies of Albania and the "bandit quarter of Kosovo" are making themselves felt. Serbia really needs weapons, they also need to cover Montenegro from the Albanians and Kosovars, because in Montenegro there is a problem with the army, but they have ports through which weapons and "tools" can be supplied for the construction of a VKS, air defense, SPN base in Sebia ... But as for the repair bases in Serbia, there are enough of them for the repair of armored vehicles and for the repair of aircraft and helicopters, and there are already repair diversified plants, so the Serbs themselves can cope with the modernization of the supplied equipment.

[Mark]

Serbs are practically surrounded.
It is bad that Macedonia was lost or almost lost, although a small country, but it gravitated towards Russia. They, too, are under severe pressure from local Muslims and liberals and the “development partners” of the US and the EU.

[Incvizitor]

Mi 24 is also called flying tanks, I would rather call them flying bmp.

[axiles100682]

If we take into account NATO's aggression in Yugoslavia, and all other aggression, then the Serbs would not hurt to acquire an echeloned air defense and missile defense system. The Anglo-Saxons first bomb all indiscriminately. And the best thing would be a Russian base. and the "brothers" Slavs such as Bulgarians, Montenegrins, etc., will cut off the air at the first demand of NATO-USA.