Persistent talk about 4-day work week in Russia

Following Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Russia was proposed to transfer Russia to a four-day work week in the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of the Russian Federation. At the same time, the FNPR stated that a reduction in the number of working days should not necessarily lead to a decrease in wages. I would like to believe in it, but the question is: how to oblige each employer to do this? Could there again be “workaround” schemes and loopholes when an employee suddenly “wanted” to work five or six days a week exclusively “on his own initiative”?


Persistent talk about 4-day work week in Russia


At the same time, they declared in the FNPR apparatus that the possible transition to the 4-day work week in Russia can be attributed to "high-productivity work in individual countries, industries and enterprises." The same trade union department says that countries that are in the top ten world leaders in the shortest working week, at the same time have high rates in the socio-economic sphere.

The strangeness of these persistent conversations is that the government has repeatedly stated that labor productivity in the Russian Federation does not reach the level of economically developed countries. FNPR also speaks only of individual sectors. And where, then, is the logic in the statements in support of the 4 day? Either the government has already developed a set of measures, in the implementation of which labor productivity in all sectors will be significantly increased, or all these words are nothing more than populism.

If we assume that in modern conditions, for example, industrial production is transferred to the 4-day, then you need to either increase the percentage of automation of production, or to recruit an additional number of employees. Large-scale automation is not an expensive task, and expanding the staff in a number of industries may not be possible due to the lack of trained personnel.

But what about the medical field? In the regions, often even with the current parameters of the working week, there are not enough specialists in medical facilities. If you reduce the number of working days, then either dissolve the patients home, or again increase the staff of doctors and nurses, but then again a vicious circle, since there are not enough specialists.

What about education? Work on 4 days, and study on 5 days or 6 days? Or all, both teachers and students, on an 4 day with a simultaneous reduction in the volume of curricula and programs? Less math or minus physical education?

The military sphere is still more complicated, there are even more questions. Automation is definitely not enough.

But if suddenly on the central channels stories about absolutely happy Russians (including the elderly), who enthusiastically talk about the salary saved by the employer while reducing the weekly workload on the initiative of the employer himself, will often flicker on, the law may be passed. And about its feasibility, effectiveness and consequences, not only for the economy as a whole, but also for an individual citizen, as often happens, we will think later ...

By the way, for a long time there were no stories on federal channels about 80-year-old ladies and gentlemen who do not want to retire, but want to not only work, but also scuba diving, parachuting and winning kettlebell lifting competitions.
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  1. Infinity 13 August 2019 14: 53 New
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    I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?
    1. smart ass 13 August 2019 15: 00 New
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      It takes me 5 days at work, if one day I don’t leave, then it’s hard to catch up. In general, it seems to me that everyone does not care about the economics of licking to throw a bone to the people so that they do not buzz.
      1. ltc35 13 August 2019 15: 13 New
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        Indeed, five days is not enough if you really work, but here four ... I can’t understand the logic of our prime minister in principle. Until I reach retirement, I no longer set a goal; the main thing now is to provide children with the future and hold their grandchildren in their arms, continuing to work to death, now with a four-day work week. But! Three days off! What for?!
        1. MoJloT 13 August 2019 15: 26 New
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          I can not understand the logic
          The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi
          1. Vol4ara 13 August 2019 15: 45 New
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            Quote: MoJloT
            I can not understand the logic
            The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi

            Rather, they will simply pay less, and the production plan will remain the same.
            1. MoJloT 13 August 2019 15: 48 New
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              production plan will remain the same
              Naturally, the volume for the position will remain the same, just paid days in the week will be not 5, but 4.
              1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 15: 58 New
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                Quote: MoJloT
                I can not understand the logic
                The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi

                By the way, this is a very common situation at the factory, especially with a chord of time-consuming work to strictly specified deadlines!
                1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 16: 08 New
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                  Do we have many unionized enterprises in Russia? Only if the enterprises are large! In small private enterprises, there are no unions at all!

                  So are trade union leaders entitled to speak on behalf of the entire working people with such legislative proposals in the country ?! Of course not!
                  1. MoJloT 13 August 2019 16: 10 New
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                    How many trade unionized enterprises do we have in Russia?
                    Are there many unions left in Russia? Those that I know only collect money from workers, they do more harm than good.
                    1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 17: 10 New
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                      The FNPR proposal is beneficial in its practical implementation in practice in life only to Russian officials and civil servants. Namely.

                      As for the Russian officials and civil servants, it is precisely for them that they will not only be guaranteed a reduction in the working week, but at the same time they will guaranteed an increase in the hourly wage of their labor by approximately 20% - while maintaining his previous monthly salaries and bonus system.

                      In fact, it is nothing more than a bribe of officials and civil servants in the form of a connection in the upcoming elections in the Russian Federation, the so-called "administrative resource" of those in power when voting on the side of the current authorities.
                      Or is it a direct “undercover liberal” provocation by the FNPR trade union leadership to additionally discriminate against representatives of the current government in the country in the eyes of the bulk of the working people.
                      1. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 08 New
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                        I’m a civil servant, I work on a five-day basis, a lot of work - planning, calculations, reporting, approvals ... in short, a solid bureaucracy ... Reports - for a quarter - a waste paper cabinet - I buy printing paper for my salary - for 2 quarters - 3 full boxes were used up ... I linger after work until 20:00 ... and until 22:00 ... I go out on weekends ... sometimes both ... Monday again to work))) In time sheet 5 - "8-rock "and 2 days off.)))
                        Now tell me what is the benefit to me 4th week ???? So what will be 4 - "8 matches" and 3 days off?
                        I work well - I get well.
                        The deer understands - this means only one thing - I will receive less. So what are my benefits ?????
                        hourly payment???? - uncle are you ???? we are not “partners”, we have a salary - for the rank and for the position, every month the same way, regardless of how many days I spent at work.
                      2. Tatyana 13 August 2019 22: 29 New
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                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        The deer understands - this means only one thing - I will receive less. So what are my benefits ?????

                        Why not understand something here?
                        FNPR proposes to reduce the working week from 5 to 4 days while maintaining the same earnings while reducing the number of slaves. hours a week.
                        At the same time, according to the proposal of the FNPR, salaries and bonuses for officials and civil servants will remain, since they (i.e. you personally) are state employees and it is easy for the state to control this. Your employer is the state, and the manager is the government, and the treasury is the state budget.
                        But what about those wage earners in privately owned enterprises - with the monetaristic (i.e., pursuit of profits) system in the country? Those. under capitalism! Where are the guarantees that this will not lead to increased exploitation? There are no such guarantees, as they were not!

                        So do not you - civil servants - cry!
                      3. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 32 New
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                        the terms of reference will remain the same, as I was at 6 / 7 days a week at work - I will remain)))
                      4. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 35 New
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                        By the way, we are full of empty seats, come and wait ... only for some reason people do not stay with us ... run away to private owners ...
                      5. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 22: 45 New
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                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        By the way, we have a lot of empty seats, come wait ... only for some reason people do not stay with us ...

                        Where is it? Take me as a locksmith, plus my mother - blind? Give me a room, though?
                      6. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 22: 48 New
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                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        people do not stay with us ... run away to private owners ...

                        Why not hold on?
                      7. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 22: 52 New
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                        Why are you silent? Or nothing to say?
                      8. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 00 New
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                        One "young specialist" after the university said on the 2nd day of work: "I did not imagine it that way." and disappeared. In short, not for that his mother "raised a berry." And our ads - on any job search engine.
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                2. Tatyana 13 August 2019 22: 37 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  the terms of reference will remain the same, as I was at 6 / 7 days a week at work - I will remain)))
                  This is prohibited by law. You can contact the FNPR and the prosecutor’s office for violating the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.

                  I was at work 6 / 7 days a week - I will stay
                  And where do you work then (at what workplace?), If the state institution is closed during non-working hours and workers are not allowed in it ?!
                3. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 52 New
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                  We need good health and age up to 40, so we won’t take mom. Excuse me. Housing? it’s like you all live in another country. Adult - and believe in fairy tales.
                4. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 23: 02 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  We need good health and age before 40,

                  Well you and. I - 45, then everything, side? You, live to 50-years, remember your balabok.
                5. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 12 New
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                  Do not poke please, and by the way, I’m not rude to you. All I wanted to say was I said.
                6. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 23: 15 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  All I wanted to say was I said.

                  All that you told me, I heard. Question: Where do you work?
                7. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 21 New
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                  I do not want to say which institution I work in. Ordinary provincial institution. such in every city.
                8. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 23: 25 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  I do not want to say which institution I work in. Ordinary provincial institution. such in every city.

                  Budget employee, then. And not ashamed of you sitting on your working neck?
                9. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 35 New
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                  No, not ashamed. Doctors are not ashamed. Are educators in kindergarten not ashamed? The military - so they are generally proud. We have a lot of jobs, and you, like everyone else, could come and work about 6 years ago ... Recently, 2 people came, 40 of them managed ... they cut one at the factory, the other did repairs ... Tired of uncle work ...
                10. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 23: 41 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  Doctors are not ashamed. Are educators in kindergarten not ashamed? The military - so they are generally proud.

                  Do you even know how many kindergarten teachers get? What about the nurses? Sit yourself, push opu on the couch.
                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  Tired of uncle working ...

                  Well ka, tell me how much you worked for uncle? And why are you tired?
                11. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 52 New
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                  Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;
                  a nanny 17-25 (my mother-in-law is still working), as many nurses;
                  Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..
                  He worked for his uncle, and studied at the same time full-time. Do not want anymore.
                12. Mordvin 3 14 August 2019 00: 02 New
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                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;

                  Why are you driving a blizzard! Our teachers on 12 get thousands.
                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..

                  Hehe. My sister has been working as a nurse for 40 years. Salary - 18 thousand.
                  Drive on.
                13. Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 00: 09 New
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                  You know better. I don’t see the point of arguing. For curiosity, at least they scored in Yandex. Goodbye. I have to work tomorrow at 7 am))))
                14. AU Ivanov. 14 August 2019 15: 20 New
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                  I have a wife - a doctor, KMN. Commercial medicine. 140-160. It would not hurt your sister to learn at one time.
                15. Mordvin 3 14 August 2019 15: 52 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  I have a wife - a doctor, KMN. Commercial medicine. 140-160. It would not hurt your sister to learn at one time.

                  Oh, great as they said! sad Commercial medicine, you say? Yes, in our free hospital, doctors hint at offerings, but they have nothing to pay, and then the girl went into commerce? Who pays her so much, the Zenit players, or something, which is spent on Peter’s half-medical budget? Greetings to her from the rest of the pensioners, who can’t scrape together the pills. Surprise such comments. My friend’s father died, they couldn’t pay to the commercial chamber, they threw them in the corridor, there were only places in the commercial ones. The conscience of people like your wife do not torment? At night, slippers do not dismiss all those deceased that they could not pay?
                  Komsomolskaya Pravda tried to figure out how it happened that twelve millionaire players were paid sick pay more than all other residents of the city combined

                  https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/25965/2903694/
                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  For curiosity, at least they scored in Yandex.

                  Good promise. You do not wave to me Yandex, you better look at the nearest hospital clinic.
            2. tech3030 14 August 2019 15: 54 New
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              Is it probably in the Kremlin or in rubles so the teachers and nannies are paid? Or did you start ventriloquism Putin?
            3. brat07 14 August 2019 17: 55 New
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              Quote: Amin_Vivec
              Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;
              a nanny 17-25 (my mother-in-law is still working), as many nurses;
              Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..
              He worked for his uncle, and studied at the same time full-time. Do not want anymore.

              Sorry, I wanted to ask you - is this salary in hryvnias?
            4. Amin_vivec 17 August 2019 03: 25 New
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              R. Komi - in rubles.
  2. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 54 New
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    do not believe it, but some institutions generally work around the clock)))
  3. Tatyana 13 August 2019 23: 00 New
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    Quote: Amin_Vivec
    some institutions generally work around the clock

    However, the Labor Code does not change from this.
    Violation of the law - it is a violation of the law.

    Now imagine what happens to employees at a private-owned employer!
  4. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 23: 04 New
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    According to the report card, everything is within the framework of the code))))))))))))) And they sue us - only when they retire. And it's too early for me)))) The prosecutor's office? Investigative committee? do you even know how they work? These are generally the most discriminated within the framework of labor law))))
  5. Vasiliev Yu 14 August 2019 01: 57 New
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    Regarding the transition to a working four-day week. In fact, the country has long tested both four- and three-and even at some enterprises a two-day working week. And in other cases, there is a general trend towards preservation of businesses with reductions - layoffs and cunning semi-paid vacations, when you need to come to work once a month and only to bookkeeping. In Russian socio-economic realities, talking about a shorter working week is an acknowledgment of the fact that the state does not need excessive labor zeal of Russians. It is easier for an oil and gas producing country to pay benefits to the bulk of the population than to maintain an army of state employees, come up with production plans for barely living state corporation plants, and also experience political discomfort from the endless storm in the commercial sector. The promise to pay for a shortened working week as a full one only confirms the thesis that the authorities no longer care about the volume of gross product produced in reality, since the administrative capabilities of Rosstat allow achieving any virtual indicators even with stopped open-hearth farms, non-working farms and closed offices. Of course, there are certain nuances associated with the fact that in the business sector, the costs of an additional payment for the fifth working day, legally declared a day off, will be borne by entrepreneurs. However, since small and medium-sized businesses are at an end and are no longer showing signs of life, then this sector is, by and large, such innovations are becoming indifferent, since they will not greatly affect its predetermined fate. Big business is state or near-state, and therefore all the more indifferent to such trade union innovations.
    Telegram, Master of the pen.
  6. Starover_Z 14 August 2019 02: 03 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    For officials and civil servants, salaries and bonuses will remain at the suggestion of the FNPR

    But they would give them a minimum according to the new schedule! And you see, their payroll will be saved ... And not figs! Their salary should increase after the salaries of workers, from the taxes of which it is formed!
  7. brat07 14 August 2019 17: 45 New
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    In time sheet 5 - "8-rock"and 2 days off.)))

    And I did not know that in Ukraine they were going to introduce a 4-day period.
    I honestly did not know. what
  8. not main 13 August 2019 22: 44 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    The FNPR proposal is beneficial in its practical implementation in practice in life only to Russian officials and civil servants. Namely.

    As for Russian officials and civil servants, it is just they who will not only be guaranteed a reduction in the work week, but at the same time they will be guaranteed a feat increase of Hourly pay of about 20% - while maintaining their previous monthly salaries and bonus system .

    I totally agree! And what will change for the majority working for private owners? NEVER MIND! how they worked, they will be so! Including holidays and a 7-day week with a plus! And it will just be even harder for us to find an official in the workplace!
  9. Tatyana 13 August 2019 22: 51 New
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    Quote: non-primary
    And it will just be even harder for us to find an official in the workplace!

    And to the doctor in budgetary the clinic will be more difficult to register! Etc.
  • Ilya Semyonov 14 August 2019 12: 06 New
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    Many enterprises have trade unions, it all depends on the workers themselves. And they provide real assistance in the courts and the like
  • papas-57 13 August 2019 19: 28 New
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    Thus, the working days of officials, deputies and other '' very responsible '' workers are reduced (with salary remaining). Less responsible, i.e. everyone else will also work in a new way - 4 working days + 1 voluntary-compulsory for previously not completed work (well, they did not manage to do five-day work in four days) without payment.
  • Nikolaevich I 14 August 2019 01: 27 New
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    Yes you are right ! The "paradox" of modern Russia: the "heated" talk about the Russian democratic, social state and the situation with the trade unions, probably at the level of the beginning of the 20 century! It is possible that in tsarist Russia at the beginning of the century there were more unions! By the way, for some reason, neither the government nor the Communist Party discuss this "paradox" ... in any case, at the level at which it should ...
    1. Ilya Semyonov 14 August 2019 12: 11 New
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      Hardly more. But people were more active, so the trade unions were correspondingly also more active. Now many do not get off the couch. Therefore, the role of trade unions is different. They quietly work in offices, in courts.
  • MBRSS 13 August 2019 16: 17 New
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    Better 6 hour work day, and 3 days off per week - impermissible relax in any way. It is more difficult then to enter the rhythm, as after long holidays.
    1. Ilya Semyonov 14 August 2019 12: 12 New
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      Well, for women with children, this extra day off would really help. A bunch of things can be redone. not everyone is lazy at the weekend. I am for this initiative
    2. brat07 14 August 2019 18: 53 New
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      Quote: MBRBS
      Better 6 hour work day, and 3 days off per week - impermissible relax in any way. It is more difficult then to enter the rhythm, as after long holidays.

      As for me, I do not believe in the "good intentions" of "our" government and "our" deputies. Well, I don’t believe it!
      In less than a month, they “cast a bait” on the reduction of the working week. And now, from every "iron" they talk about it.
      That is, most likely they will pass this law through the Duma.
      And again they will not “consult” with the people.
      "And we will be happy"
      Sorry for the emotions.
    3. Vitaliy. RUS 15 August 2019 07: 45 New
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      Shifts do not share nifiga. She and the three-shift are not very convenient, especially if you go on the third shift.
  • Ramzaj99 13 August 2019 22: 06 New
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    Quote: Vol4ara
    Rather, they will simply pay less, and the production plan will remain the same.

    I am 100% sure, in the vast majority of cases it will be so.
    Our management even does this, they transfer it to 4 days in the summer in order to compensate for the paid vacation pay. As a result, both wages are less and vacation pay is the same ....... But the plan and load are twice as much due to the shortened day and those who went on vacation.
  • Dym71 13 August 2019 15: 50 New
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    Quote: MoJloT
    The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work, then leave on your own initiative, in your unpaid day off.

    You did not take into account one moment, I do not say for everyone, but there is a practice of remuneration of labor on weekends at a double rate. hi
    1. MoJloT 13 August 2019 15: 55 New
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      there is a practice of remuneration at the weekend at a double rate.
      A much more common practice, you do not have time during working hours, is your problem.
      1. Dym71 13 August 2019 16: 00 New
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        Quote: MoJloT
        you do not have time during working hours, your problem

        If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
        1. Harry.km 13 August 2019 16: 19 New
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          Quote: Dym71
          the judge will have a different opinion.

          That's right. But there are ways to trick the system. You can write in the TC a condition about 4 days, and without changing anything, absolutely legal, pay for 4 days, not 5 or 6.))) And everything will be fine. Especially for Rosstat)))
          1. Dym71 13 August 2019 16: 29 New
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            Quote: Harry.km
            It is possible to prescribe in the shopping center a condition about 4 days and without changing anything, absolutely legal, pay for 4 days, and not for 5 or 6.)))

            So you can go out only 4 days laughing
            1. Harry.km 13 August 2019 16: 38 New
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              Quote: Dym71
              So you can go out and only 4 days laughing

              Of course you can .. you even need to!)) I had in mind the following, that even now there are absolutely legal ways to reduce wages after switching to 4 days relative to a 5 or 6 day working week. To hire more people to earn money from such a scam, as a result, the number of man-hours for the employer will not decrease, the wage bill will not increase, and statistics will show a decrease in the number of unemployed))) While I was sitting here I remembered another way of honestly taking money . The methods acting on them now work real people. So everything is possible to do absolutely legally.
        2. MoJloT 13 August 2019 16: 21 New
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          I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
          This is an extremely dubious prospect, a bonus to which will be screwing up labor, problems with retirement.
          1. Dym71 13 August 2019 16: 26 New
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            Quote: MoJloT
            This is an extremely dubious prospect.

            I dare not argue hi
            1. MoJloT 13 August 2019 16: 33 New
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              I dare not argue hi
              That's right, to work with staff is my specialty, and I put a bolt on the court, if the management decided that the person is not needed here, he will not be here. And let him go about the courts, seek the truth until his legs are dry.
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                Quote: MoJloT
                and I put a bolt on the court

                Comment worthy of a citizen and patriot of Russia! fellow
                Once again, I am convinced of the urgent need for the appearance of sensible trade unions in Russia, Schaub's feet have dried up for you like them. yes
              2. MoJloT 13 August 2019 16: 40 New
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                the appearance in Russia of sensible trade unions, Schaub legs have dried off your like
                God grant, God grant. But this will never happen, from the word at all. hi In addition, disciplinary sanctions can be issued to an employee at least every day, this is a matter of the court.
              3. Ilya Semyonov 14 August 2019 12: 13 New
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                All this depends only on the people themselves. And current unions can be a real political force with due support from workers.
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        AUL 13 August 2019 17: 50 New
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        Quote: Dym71
        If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.

        That is, do you offer a hard worker from the machine to butt in court with a corporation lawyer? The outcome is obvious! And, regardless of whether he loses the court or wins it (well, miracles sometimes happen) - at the enterprise he is no longer a tenant. They will tear out so that it may be disgraceful for others!
        And about the idea itself. "Due to the intensification of labor." How to make a driver who manages to make 10 flights a day do 12? How can a turner who sharpens 100 parts a day sharpen 120 if he has a calculated technology with cutting modes? How to make a doctor who takes 20 people per shift take 25 (and even really help them)? And all this - without loss of quality?
        It turns out that for a smaller amount of work, the employer will have to pay the old money. Will they go for it? - a rhetorical question! There are a million tricks and loopholes in the law, so as not to lose profits. But officials - they will obviously be glad of an extra day off in their overwork.
        But, it seems, TOP of the issue has already been resolved, because the fuss started according to the same scheme as with the pension reform.
        1. Dym71 13 August 2019 18: 27 New
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          Quote: AUL
          That is, do you offer a hard worker from the machine to butt in court with a corporation lawyer?

          Do you propose to tear three skins from him? belay
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            AUL 13 August 2019 18: 30 New
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            Do you propose to tear three skins from him?

            Please indicate where I suggested this. And I’m not going to discuss your nonsense!
            1. Dym71 13 August 2019 18: 32 New
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              Quote: AUL
              Please indicate where I suggested this.

              Here I am about the same!
              Where did I suggest?
              Quote: AUL
              hard worker from the machine butting in court with a corporate lawyer
      3. 72jora72 14 August 2019 00: 50 New
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        Dym71 (Andrey) Yesterday, 16:00 New

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        Quote: MoJloT
        you do not have time during working hours, your problem

        If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
        Yes, only you will not work at your enterprise ....
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    Quote: Dym71
    but there is a practice of wages at the weekend at a double rate.

    And a lot of where this practice is applied? Minuscule!
  • Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 14 New
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    all right, the 2nd tariff, and they will also issue a lip-closing machine))))) "there is no money, but you hold on" - this is the way, and it was said about civil servants))))
    1. Dym71 13 August 2019 22: 18 New
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      Quote: Amin_Vivec
      and also the lip-sealing machine will be issued)))))

      And you do not wait for distribution, choose for yourself, tea is not from serfs bully
      1. Amin_vivec 13 August 2019 22: 22 New
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        I have no illusions - 4 is bad. For me it is doubly bad. About double tariffs on weekends - I don’t believe in fairy tales, so I’ll manage, thanks.
        1. Dym71 13 August 2019 22: 32 New
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          Quote: Amin_Vivec
          I have no illusions - 4 is bad

          Agree
          Quote: Amin_Vivec
          About double rates on the weekend - I do not believe in fairy tales

          And these are not fairy tales, this is the Labor Code of the Russian Federation. Article 153. Remuneration of labor on weekends and non-working holidays wink
          Quote: Amin_Vivec
          so get along, thanks

          A wise decision, because on the weekend the body needs to recover yes
  • Egg
    Egg 13 August 2019 22: 36 New
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    Quote: Dym71
    You did not take into account one moment, I do not say for everyone, but there is a practice of remuneration of labor on weekends at a double rate.

    Are you definitely talking about Russia? Th not mixed up?
    In Rosneft, Rospan, Transneft, there is a practice of working until 20, or even up to 22 hours; going to work on Saturday and Sunday is especially welcome. No, no one will force you to work this way, for a start you will be transparently hinted that the company has different rules, but if you leave work exactly according to the Labor Code, you will work there very briefly.
    These are state corporations, with trade unions, and now imagine what is happening all over the country, in all kinds of public limited liability companies, state of emergency and other private offices.
    Even in Gazprom (which has always emphasized its social orientation), these “rules” begin to penetrate, now large-scale reorganizations are underway in Gazprom, all kinds of “effective” managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. which introduce such orders there.
    1. Dym71 13 August 2019 22: 44 New
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      Quote: Telur
      Now imagine what is happening all over the country, in all kinds of LLCs, state of emergency and other private offices

      I'm just one of those smile
      Quote: Telur
      you will work there for a very short time.

      Or maybe the loss will not be great?
      Quote: Telur
      Gazprom is currently undergoing large-scale reorganizations, and all sorts of "effective" managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. which introduce such orders there.

      Let them do it themselves along with all gas production.
    2. 72jora72 14 August 2019 00: 56 New
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      Even in Gazprom (which has always emphasized its social orientation), these “rules” begin to penetrate, now large-scale reorganizations are underway in Gazprom, all kinds of “effective” managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. which introduce such orders there.
      Rosatom, exactly the same situation removed the "harmfulness", from September 1, they are going to remove surcharges for the expanded scope of work (at least at our station).
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  • Wolverine 14 August 2019 09: 10 New
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    I can’t understand the logic of our prime minister in principle


    The logic is simple, the further collapse of the country, what remains of the economy, logistics, everything is according to plan.
  • Dagon 14 August 2019 14: 51 New
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    What, now we need to work hard on Wednesdays ??)))
  • Ross xnumx 13 August 2019 15: 51 New
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    Quote: Clever man
    In general, it seems to me that everyone does not care about the economics of licking to throw a bone to the people so as not to buzz.

    Everything is much simpler - the problems will be thrown onto the shoulders of the people, and the four-day work week will be loved by oneself. It's the same as annoying to press buttons five days a week.
    In a country where economic growth is a little more than a percent, reduce the working week to four days - to drive this economy into the most "want" ...
    hi
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      Everything is much simpler - problems will be thrown onto the shoulders of the people, and the four-day work week will be left to their beloved ones. It's the same as annoying to press buttons five days a week. In a country where economic growth is a little more than a percent, reduce the working week to four days - to drive this economy into the most "want" ...

      From DAM and the composition of his government, I did not expect anything else!
      1. Astra wild 13 August 2019 21: 28 New
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        I agree with you, poor DAM overstrained at work and decided to add a day off.
        Okay, DAM can think like an ass, but can it be that some of our colleagues do not wear a head on their shoulders, but the opposite: "devote more time to your beloved," who will support the family? Not everyone has a “ministerial” salary, they will cut it from it.
        NEVER A CAPITALIST WILL HIMSELF PAY TO US
    2. Honest Citizen 13 August 2019 23: 15 New
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      In a country where economic growth is just over a percent

      Growth, excuse me, why? What kind of economy?
      The transition to the 4-day only says that the economy is intensely breaking the bottom.
  • NEXUS 13 August 2019 15: 56 New
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    It takes me 5 days at work, if one day I don’t get out, then it’s hard to catch up.

    Sometimes 7 days are not enough for me ... at the same time, in the USA there is an 6 day, and people plow 12 hours. And here is how to compete with the economies of the world when we even managed to think about the 4 day then?
    1. Voyager 13 August 2019 17: 22 New
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      Agree, this is also not normal. What is our sense of life in order to work for the state and the economy? But this is exactly what we, in fact, spend most of our lives on. Early morning rise, an hour and a half at least on the road (personally with me) and a working day. Then in the evening home without legs. We see relatives at times less than our colleagues, is this normal? Now, if humanly. And then in old age, living on a miserable pension, for which we have earned all our life, to sit and think, and what have we spent our life on? Therefore, either work should be a favorite thing and bring pleasure, or at least not take up most of the time.
      1. NEXUS 13 August 2019 17: 39 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        Agree, this is also not normal. What is our sense of life in order to work for the state and the economy?

        And corporations also need simple people to work more, chase money with their tongues hanging out and think less about what and how ... but give us the illusion of freedom in the form of money (Schaub did not die), sometimes a vacation to a third-rate hotel, where people like we at least eat backwards and of course loans (as without them then). As a result of the hard worker, his whole life bends his back to pay off loans and bring his family to Turkey, to live in a cheap hotel. Well, so that all the servants seemed that everything should be so, they give nishtyaki such as iPhones, hero scooters, smart watches, etc. ... and voila, the servants are happy. fellow
        1. Varyag71 14 August 2019 09: 31 New
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          Yes, this is the real slavery. In fact, they give as much as is enough for life. For more something and do not have to dream.
      2. Ross xnumx 13 August 2019 18: 22 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        Therefore, either work should be a favorite thing and bring pleasure, or at least not take up most of the time.

        The whole philosophy ... And, if simpler:
        Article 40. Citizens the USSR have the right to work, - that is, to get guaranteed work with remuneration in accordance with its quantity and quality and not lower than the minimum size established by the state, - including the right to choose a profession, occupation and work in accordance with vocation, abilities, professional training, education and taking into account social needs.

        Perhaps it is in this state of affairs that it will not be possible to simply take and put the former head of the club for the post of guarantor, and a teacher of Roman law who does not "chop in the economy and does not create anything in it," to lead the government.
        The manufacturing process is a very complicated business. There are times when you can’t take and drop everything like this ... An example? There is an operation and ...
        Here is an example of the right approach to life:
        “It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they can freely choose their profession, and not to be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one profession.
        What is required for this? It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education. For this, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnical training, which is necessary so that members of the society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real salary of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the cash salary and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. ”
        I.Stalin

        There are other interesting findings:

        hi
    2. DimDimych 13 August 2019 21: 18 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      Sometimes 7 days are not enough for me.

      There are two principles:
      We work to live!
      We live to work!
      Everyone chooses for himself. And about 4 days it is not clear, 40 hours a week will need to work out?
      now, 5 days x 8 hours = 40 hours, 4 days x 10 hours = 40 hours or offer 4 days x 8 hours = 32 hours a week.
      And with the cost of man-hours it is not clear, we do not have at the legislative level, as in the USA, a minimum rate per hour.
      Therefore, the one who works on an hourly pay transaction is more likely to lose, and the one who works on the salary-bonus system doesn’t care that he works 32/40/45 hours a week, he gets his salary, and the bonus is from hours does not depend. Each employee individually needs to understand how convenient it is: for someone 4 days, if he lives next to work, and someone 5 days, if you have to get to work for several hours (as an example)
      Most likely, winter and spring weekly holidays will be cut, a hint was from various Duma figures.
      Yes, and universal automation and robotics are just around the corner, what will we do with so many unemployed people who, even before retirement, will have to work somewhere, taking into account that they have raised their retirement age!
      Citizens will have one question - how much will their purchasing power decrease after all these innovations? !!!
  • tap
    tap 13 August 2019 17: 31 New
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    "gentlemen who do not want to retire, but want to not only work, but also scuba diving, parachuting and winning kettlebell lifting competitions." There is one such, only not with scuba gear, but in the bathyscaphe ...
  • Observer2014 13 August 2019 19: 24 New
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    Yeah, there’s not enough money for five days a week. And then there’ll be 4 more days. Make a vodka for 50 rubles. Going to die would be quicker. You are tired of it.
  • PN
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    Yes, everyone is looking for ways to pay people less. In industry, stagnation, it is necessary to somehow officially disperse people to their homes, and how can they officially find a way to cut salaries.
    1. Destiny 13 August 2019 15: 22 New
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      Yes, everyone is looking for ways to pay people less.

      Applause and curtain ... I was offered a three-month, not a triple salary, but a vacation. Unpaid ... Thank you. Who specifically ask? Answer- "Rosneft", its head and his friend. And last names? And their names are too known that I called them ...
      1. BISMARCK94 13 August 2019 15: 53 New
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        On the Russian Railways they practice paying off time ... Which then is still problematic to knock out
      2. Severok 13 August 2019 21: 29 New
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        Recycling? Is there really a recycling for these corrupt official unions in Russia?
        These vile figures have nothing to do like that cat. So the cat at least leads to cleanliness, but these produce nothing but manure and problems. To drive such unions with a filthy broom from the feeders, to drive!
  • Vlad.by 13 August 2019 15: 53 New
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    "Churchill invented all this in the 18th year" V. Vysotsky
    All such delusional, otherwise you can’t say, ideas come from the West.
    With one single purpose-to spoil Russia.
    1. Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 47 New
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      Vysotsky was quoted, but his irony was not understood ... sadness
      1. Vlad.by 14 August 2019 02: 04 New
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        Well, explain to me the “wretched” irony of Vysotsky.
        What would not be sad.
        Here many complain that they say they are paid little, but are going to pay even less.
        From my own experience, the owner and the head of a manufacturing enterprise can say one thing - our people love filon. This, in principle, is quite natural. If it weren’t for the desire to get a small job as a big one.
        At the same time, arguing that it is impossible to do more and better. I had to solve the problem radically - he got up to the machine and made two norms, with good quality in front of them. But after that, I set my indicator as the norm. Two left, the rest were indignant, but through the shift they were already issuing the established norm. And for the old money. But, after that, he never stopped them and they had bonuses. Things have gone better. I mean, we still have to increase and increase productivity. Before you can start talking about shortening the work week. Not that time right now for such talk.
  • private person 13 August 2019 15: 57 New
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    then why did you have to raise the retirement age?

    So for this purpose they increased it so that people would not live up to retirement and their deductions for the whole working life in the FIU bye bye. Work brothers. They will reduce the work week. They will increase the length of service necessary for retirement.
  • armata_armata 13 August 2019 16: 15 New
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    I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?

    Well, before the raising of the pension, there was a conversation that everything will be as before, and now about 4 days it’s, the main thing is that 6 days would not end
  • Sul Carnine 13 August 2019 16: 36 New
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    I join your misunderstanding. But the suspicions are not very good. It seems like they just need some reason or excuse to save money.
    "... a reduction in the number of working days must not necessarily lead to a decrease in wages." Those. may lead. And for the employer, reducing the working week from any angle is not profitable. While maintaining salaries, the cost of production will increase, while reducing salaries - at least a decrease in the number of products by 20%. To replenish output, either expand production with an increase in staff, or work overtime. The second option again increases the cost of production, so the employer is preferable option one.
    So, are they preparing for mass unemployment?
    Or is it more commonplace and someone needs to raise the rating by repealing anti-people’s law?
  • syndicalist 13 August 2019 17: 07 New
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    then why did you have to raise the retirement age?

    The same question arises when they begin to discuss what to do with the budget surplus.
  • Nikolay Fedorov 13 August 2019 18: 16 New
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    Quote: Infinity
    I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?

    You because of something (absolutely) do not understand, and therefore nothing in any way fits with you, since you proceed from the principle of "how to do better." But everything will immediately become clear to you, and all the puzzles will converge, join, if you imagine that they proceed from the principle of "how to make things worse."
  • Qwertyarion 13 August 2019 19: 31 New
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    If I correctly understood our offerings, breakthroughs, then they are not going to change the number of hours of work in a week ...., which means that we will work 4 days a week for 10 hours. Given the time to travel to work, the work of kindergartens and schools that are also being rebuilt, a bleak picture emerges: for four days a week people will live to the limit ...
  • den3080 13 August 2019 21: 27 New
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    They understand everything there. This is a purely political move that does no harm.
    There is even some benefit, purely speculative. Say here, we think about the people.
    Shabby and forgot. Like almost all of Bear’s initiatives.
    And thank God that is so.
    When he takes it seriously, then Libya happens, for example. This is about the UN Security Council resolution.
    And don’t let yourself ... Peter and Fevronia there ... worthless leapfrog with translations of the clock hands and the like.
  • g1v2 13 August 2019 21: 48 New
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    The problem is that in the country there are a lot of jobs that, in principle, are not needed in such a quantity. Example. There is such an AvtoVAZ. It employs about 40 thousand people. Its owners Renault-Nisan really want to lay off half, well, or at least 10 thousand workers and replace them with automation. Just because they are not needed for a modern production in such a quantity in FIG. But the state has nowhere to put such a number of workers. A modern large enterprise is from 500 people. That is, to provide work for 20 thousand in the event of dismissal, it is necessary to build 40 pieces of large pr-in. And for this you need a lot of sales. Representatives of the state-owned government do not allow AvtoVAZ owners to make such reductions.
    The same state Roscosmos also has the same problems. In theory, half should go under the reduction. These ideas are trying to get owners to not reduce staff. That's just the owners will not keep the full salary while reducing the working week. At best, they’ll stop indexing it. At worst, they will force them to renegotiate contracts on the worst terms.
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    Infinity (Infinity) Today, 14:53
    To anger the people, he went to the square to overthrow the existing government (Putin), which amers have like a bone in their throats
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      funny. They are all there in a bunch.
  • Digital error 13 August 2019 22: 04 New
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    Why did you have to raise the retirement age?

    As an option, in order to “substitute” the president and, by collapsing his rating, deploy “2024 transfer” in the direction necessary for the beneficiaries from the IMF. If we develop this idea, the initiative about the “four-day” is also understandable - in order to rebuild for it, it takes years for labor productivity to fall sharply at first - and the president ordered him to achieve just the opposite and just over the years.
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    "I probably don’t understand something ..." - laughing laughing laughing good And here it was immediately clear to me fellow
  • Roman070280 14 August 2019 12: 08 New
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    Just to rob people of a million rubles ..
    The Kremlin organized crime group has completely lost touch with reality ..
  • Siberiak 14 August 2019 18: 46 New
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    If I understood correctly, then the news (look for Yandex news, who are very interested) talked about switching to 4 days while maintaining the 40-hour work week (I did not come across proposals to switch to the 36-hour week). T.O. it is possible, de facto, to increase the length of the working day while maintaining a salary, and the released three days can be used for part-time work under the same conditions.
    Here you have the increase in labor productivity ... (By the way, I remember, Prokhorov suggested returning the 12-hour workday ...)
  • Vend 13 August 2019 14: 54 New
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    Well, this is unlikely, employers will not go for it.
    1. 210ox 13 August 2019 15: 05 New
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      Of course they won’t. But DAM will immediately become "good" ... Yes, and 2024 is just around the corner.
      1. ltc35 13 August 2019 15: 16 New
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        LADY no longer become good. He bears such a blizzard that his masterpieces cannot be forgotten, even if you try hard.
        1. private person 13 August 2019 16: 01 New
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          When the time comes to choose DAM I will immediately make good in the eyes of the electorate, and in other matters just after the elections they will announce that whoever won is needed with a record margin from the rest.
    2. another RUSICH 13 August 2019 15: 07 New
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      Choyt will not go? They will pay for 4 days. Or they will introduce shifts 3 through 3, and you will receive for 3.
      1. 210ox 13 August 2019 15: 19 New
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        Not all organizations can do this. For example, we are processing agricultural products. Loaded around the clock.
        1. depressant 13 August 2019 16: 30 New
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          It would be more logical to transfer companies and industries to a shorter working day. For example, most IT professionals are able to work productively on a program for only a few hours in a row. Then comes "brain nausea", you want to do anything, just not to program, gross errors arise, you have to spend extra time to fix them. Therefore, after the lunch break, the person is already no, will not work much. Then he would go home and let him go. But this is purely specific. In other industries, it is enough to reduce the working day by an hour.
          By the way, in Germany the working day is really shorter than ours. And in France. At the same time, the transition to a shorter working day there led to the fact that with a later retirement than ours, a person earns it by working less than in previous times, the number of hours. This is if not in days to count, but in the total number of hours worked. For example, in order to earn a pension, before, it was necessary to work out a total of 10 hours. And with a shorter day, despite a later retirement, a much smaller number of hours are obtained. Therefore, people at work there do not get tired as much as ours. And then they raised the retirement age, and left the working day eight hours. They understood that they had done it, and now Medvedev is bustling, trying to get out of an awkward position. The working day should be reduced while maintaining a salary, not the number of days!
          1. Digital error 13 August 2019 22: 12 New
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            Quote: depressant
            It would be more logical to transfer companies and industries to a shorter working day. But this is purely specific. In other industries, it is enough to reduce the working day by an hour.

            This will lead the employer to the temptation to cut wages. If I am not mistaken, a “four-day” can be introduced within the framework of the current legislation by including this issue in a collective agreement. Personally, I would agree to work on 10 hours a day so that there is a day off on Friday - this will not cause rejection by the employer, but again it is purely specific, as you noticed.
  • yehat 13 August 2019 15: 00 New
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    transition to a 4-day work week in Russia can be associated with “high-productivity labor

    You won’t believe it, but if the company’s management made a margin from your work and got burned out, limousines, a bar to the chef’s office, business class flights and 7-digit holiday bonuses, this also affects YOUR productivity, like taxes.
    therefore, the transition to a 4-day working week is very weakly connected with productivity in general, especially in our country, where the average share of wages in the price of products does not exceed 5-10%.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 August 2019 15: 54 New
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      Quote: yehat
      You won’t believe it, but if the company’s management made a margin from your work and got burned out, limousines, a bar to the chef’s office, business class flights and 7-digit holiday bonuses, this also affects YOUR productivity, like taxes.
      therefore, the transition to a 4-day working week is very weakly associated with productivity in general, especially in our country, where the average share of wages in the price of products does not exceed 5-10%

      Where does such data come from, we have about 25-30%.
      1. yehat 13 August 2019 16: 09 New
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        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Where does such data come from, we have about 25-30%.

        in different industries in different ways, but there is a downward trend
        if earlier in the construction industry the share of salaries was about 40%, now rarely where it exceeds 15-20% and continues to decline, and the share of salaries of performers there is quite ridiculous - significant overhead costs. And this trend is everywhere.
        Even if you take hairdressers. Where, it seems, the main thing is the work of a hairdresser, already average salary shares are rarely higher than 20-25%.
  • bubalik 13 August 2019 15: 01 New
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    But what about the medical field? What about education? It’s still more difficult with the military sphere

    ,,, in agriculture there is no weekend at all. Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.
    Yes, and with the seed as well.
    1. Sergej1972 13 August 2019 15: 13 New
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      On huge pig farms and cattle complexes is quite feasible. For tractor drivers in large agricultural holdings is also quite feasible. Flexible shift schedule.
      1. private person 13 August 2019 16: 05 New
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        Are there many such huge pig farms and agricultural holdings in Russia?
        1. Sergej1972 13 August 2019 21: 21 New
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          Large complexes produce most of the pork and beef. And a significant part of the land in Central Russia belongs to huge agricultural holdings of the Miratorg type, and this share is constantly increasing. Farmers and homeowners cannot compete with them.
      2. Simargl 13 August 2019 16: 24 New
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        Quote: Sergej1972
        For tractor drivers in large agricultural holdings is also quite feasible.
        Sowing, harvesting, Putin - this is all seasonal work, where you can work 12 hours a day, seven days a week. In the offseason for that - almost free.
    2. Ross xnumx 13 August 2019 15: 58 New
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      Quote: bubalik
      Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.

      Burenka - to milk, Ryaba - to rush, bread - to bake, support services - to provide, steelmakers - to cook steel ...
      I feel that they are preparing a blow from behind so that they no longer come to their senses, so that they no longer recover, while they, with manat and relatives, will be on the run ...
      What to take from them - lawyers ... request
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    It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 August 2019 15: 57 New
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      It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))

      Plus, it will still be necessary to hire those who will carry out 20% of the remaining work!))
    2. Nikolay Fedorov 13 August 2019 18: 23 New
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      Quote: Signifer
      It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))

      State Duma deputies have already taken the first step towards this. From this summer they switched to a 4-hour work day, i.e. from 12 to 16 hours. But, see, this is not enough for them.
  • Nycomed 13 August 2019 15: 05 New
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    You can enter, but it seems to me, on a voluntary basis, i.e. a person must decide for himself. Indeed, many people really need, for various reasons, another day off.
    1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 15: 48 New
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      Another day off.

      What is another weekend?
  • vatov 13 August 2019 15: 05 New
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    All that has recently come from the “top” unfortunately worsens the situation of the “lower classes”, even sound-suggestive proposals. Free cheese only in a mousetrap.
    1. another RUSICH 13 August 2019 15: 09 New
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      What is pleasant then? Are you pleased to look at your sn in January, or May? Here is the same ...
      1. Nastia makarova 13 August 2019 16: 12 New
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        if the salary is still the same as the number of days off in a month))))
        1. Qwertyarion 13 August 2019 19: 39 New
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          Salary is calculated on the time worked .. Learn the mat. part
          1. Nastia makarova 14 August 2019 11: 47 New
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            no))) learn the materiel yourself !!! always in the same January we get the salary in full according to salary))))
            1. Qwertyarion 14 August 2019 11: 52 New
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              These are official holidays and are taken into account in the budgets of organizations.
              If you work 4 days a week for 8 hours, then the salary will be less, and if for 10 hours, then the same as for the 5 day work week.
              There are no miracles ...
              1. Nastia makarova 14 August 2019 11: 53 New
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                I'm not talking about 4 days a week, I say that official holidays do not affect the salary
                1. Qwertyarion 14 August 2019 12: 00 New
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                  And I'm talking about the fact that the 4 day work week is a kind of scheme, a hoax.
                  What is all this for?
                  1. Nastia makarova 14 August 2019 12: 02 New
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                    Yes, no one is going to introduce it, this is another "smartest" idea from the deputies, no one is going to implement it
                    1. Qwertyarion 14 August 2019 12: 12 New
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                      I doubt they have been cracking about this for almost half a year.
                      By the way, stuffing all sorts of stupid initiatives is a kind of public opinion poll. Throw and monitor the reaction in social networks.
                      By and large, we are just taking part in this process.
                      (don't even doubt it)
        2. dirk182 14 August 2019 18: 03 New
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          So that you live on one salary laughing
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            unfortunately and live
  • Prisoner 13 August 2019 15: 06 New
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    And what about overproduction today? Industrial and agricultural nishtyakov have nowhere to go and the whole people in their luxurious mansions do not know where to push what they earned? Maybe robots plow everywhere ?! The government is completely bald!
  • Million 13 August 2019 15: 08 New
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    Let migrants be expelled from the country!
    1. Destiny 13 August 2019 15: 51 New
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      What are you letting yourself say?
      This is our reality.
  • Phil77 13 August 2019 15: 10 New
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    But I have an hourly salary, and I’m directly interested in more working hours. Four working days? And I don’t need it? I don’t need it at all! (Why now on the site? I broke out for lunch.)
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    It is necessary to bring complete news. A 4-day week is offered at a 10-hour working day.
  • Nikolaevich I 13 August 2019 15: 12 New
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    What kind of "bullshit" about working 4-day? Do people have nothing to do after 4 working days? Then what cue did they decide to increase their retirement age (?), Why did they open the "wide avenue" in front of the "Gaster"? Think it over! There is no point in increasing the retirement age, “inviting” migrants if now (!) The 5-th working day is “extra !!! Leave the 5-day and you won’t need“ Gaster ”, you don’t need to increase the retirement age! But no! 4- for some reason I needed a day! Bullshit !!!
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    2. yehat 13 August 2019 16: 12 New
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      migrant workers are needed as classic breakbreakers in order to prevent the bulk of the population from fighting for their working conditions. I don’t know about you, but even I feel the pressure of a mass of migrants in highly professional work.
      moreover, migrants from abroad and migrants from poorer regions are also used.
      1. Nikolaevich I 14 August 2019 02: 02 New
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        I agree! The media controlled by the regime are silent about this, but I managed to read an article by an economist, which he convincingly proved that Russia really does not need such a number of migrants! That it is beneficial only to entrepreneurs, "temporary workers" who have a "plan": to grab more and faster, and "shed" from Russia! Even as a schoolboy, I read about “automatic factories”, where 5 people go on shift, in one area we bought a German road car, which replaced the 30 (!) “Gaster”! But I have not heard more about such “acquisitions”! At the construction site, in order to dig a pit, a “cracked businessman”, instead of acquiring an 1-2 excavator and a “crew” of skilled machine operators, “prefers” to hire a “bunch” of migrants with crowbars and hoes!
        And the reasons are clear! Excavators cost a lot ... they will also have to be sold if you are going to "grab and shed it quickly!" Highly skilled machine operators have to pay a high salary; yes, even they will not allow themselves to be treated. as with serfs ... in the event of inflation, they may require a wage increase! That is why "temporary businessmen" prefer "Gaster"! "Thanks to" migrants, Russian citizens cannot count on a decent salary. The invasion of migrants hinders the technical development of the country, leading to technological regression!
  • andrewkor 13 August 2019 15: 13 New
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    And here in Uzbekistan, as a rule, in private small and not very enterprises 9-10-11 hours working days + six days, and for "amateurs" also seven days. I know not by hearsay. Qualified specialists in working professions are in great shortage those over 60 years old, just work, don’t leave.
  • parusnik 13 August 2019 15: 16 New
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    Praaal decision! Life has become better! Everyone has cars, there aren’t enough parking lots! But there are sausages, how many sausages! There is only one import from equipment to clothes in stores, and earlier it was only for the elite and in Birch trees for import, and now everybody can import in import .. And how old is the population of retirement age with only 67! These are some unprecedented achievements in the national economy and medicine! And now a four-day week! How culturally you can grow on yourself! Approved! laughing
    1. Prisoner 13 August 2019 15: 28 New
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      Et yes! As from Friday evening, they begin to grow culturally so by Monday that the proletariat, that plankton and not know. Grew up, EPRST! laughing (And if from Thursday, so the liver will squeeze out through the mouth and ears out)
    2. prapor55 13 August 2019 15: 47 New
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      It’s already 120 hours that it can be recycled for 4 hours on railway, almost everyone has been cut off, even in the shunting movement it turns out to work three shifts every month because there aren’t enough people, and holes need to be plugged. The processing surcharge is compensated by the loss of the premium for a month. XNUMX day week leads to a decrease in hours will raise the processing rate by half? stop
      1. BISMARCK94 13 August 2019 15: 57 New
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        And the clerks go out for almost thanks, or you won’t even get it ...
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          the office swelled almost to the limit, well, it seems to me so stop
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            I also thought so when I ran around the park. And now I understand that this problem comes from the top. For example, there are several kites per person in the office: let’s say the depot: the head of this depot, his deputies, related departments, and then from the service, the directorate, the auditing apparatus, and the security department. As well as periodic inspections of superiors, etc. And everyone needs everything "yesterday." Such nonsense request
      2. parusnik 13 August 2019 16: 30 New
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        prapor55 Our so-called fish-canning factory and its vegetable products workshop have long been at 3 days and 4 days ... lack of products ... With a poor totalitarian regime in the summer, 3-4 shifts worked in the summer ..
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          In poor mode, 3 shifts worked, but then there was work, and now just Sabotage is purely my opinion about the current policy of Russian Railways. am And personally to you Andrew hi
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      How culturally you can grow on yourself! Approved!

      Or stretch your legs while working 10 hours a day. Hours of production per week, no one will reduce. As it was, 40 will remain so.
  • Van 16 13 August 2019 15: 20 New
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    All the latest initiatives of our government are baffled .. either I or the skis do not go.
    1. evgen1221 13 August 2019 15: 26 New
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      All (initiatives) of (our) government proceed from considerations of caressing oneself to loved ones.
  • bubalik 13 August 2019 15: 23 New
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    ,,, it happened in 1929, the work week became five-day - four working days and one day off. All the workers were divided into five groups, the days off of which were highlighted on the calendar in a separate color. repeat
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 August 2019 16: 01 New
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      ,,, it happened in 1929, the working week became five-day - four working days and one day off. All the workers were divided into five groups, the days off of which were highlighted on the calendar in a separate color. feel

      The slogan is from a concentration camp ...
  • afrikanez 13 August 2019 15: 35 New
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    In my opinion, everything goes to the fact that there will be more “slammers” who will have nothing to do (because there’s nothing at all). Only crime will increase and no more (ZERO will be of benefit).
  • EGERb 13 August 2019 15: 35 New
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    The compote did not succeed in promoting this initiative, so they decided to put pressure on the unions so that they now come up with this idea. Although it was the trade unions who opposed categorically after saying compote !!!! What was they promised there or what they threatened ??? Reptiles. This is really genocide !!! No one will pay the same salary for a smaller number of working days and hours !!!! It seems to me that the victims of the exam have reached the unions
  • Langf 13 August 2019 15: 38 New
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    “... But if all of a sudden stories about absolutely happy Russians (including the elderly), who enthusiastically talk about the salary saved by the employer while reducing the weekly workload on the initiative of the employer himself, will often flicker on the central channels, then ...” - then know - you were raped again, and in the best traditions of the democratic Kama Sutra.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 August 2019 15: 38 New
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    Delirium of course enchanting! fellow
  • Strashila 13 August 2019 15: 44 New
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    "Persistent talk about a 4-day work week in Russia", the duration of work per week in the legislation is indicated not in days but in hours ... 40 hours a week or 5 to 8, therefore, the conversation should go about 32 hours working week or 6 hours 24 minutes for 5 days, all that is higher at an increased rate. Correctly asked questions about the work of medical institutions and education. One thing is clear to officials: they are idle, they don’t want to cut back, but they want the same or even big money for less time.
  • yehat 13 August 2019 15: 55 New
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    Quote: bubalik
    in agriculture there are no days off at all. Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.

    but you don’t need to travel by public transport for 2 hours and as much from there
    and it doesn’t take 8 hours for a standard office working day.
    so many people in a big city spend more than 60 hours a week on work. and someone also earns money. I lived in a village and saw only 2 weeks in haymaking so that the locals would plow like that.
  • yehat 13 August 2019 16: 03 New
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    Correctly asked questions about the work of medical institutions and education. One thing is clear to officials: they are idle, they don’t want to cut back, but they want the same or even big money for less time.

    we save a lot on staff reserves. in the USSR, there were often strict standards for the maintenance of substitute people. And in medicine, for it to work properly, you need to attract significantly more people.
    But in addition, it is still worthwhile to separate the flows of patients. A grandmother who does not like pressure should not sit in line with an employee who has left work because of incapacity for work and should not sit in line with infectious or injured or children, or with those who only need to draw up documents or submit analyzes. We need a sane sort of applicants and ... how much I went to the therapist - he does not examine me, he writes something all the time. What kind of medicine is this? And the diagnosis gives the corresponding - in general, some kind of nonsense.
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    And this, apparently, is the next step after the pension "reform", Oleg Shein said how much will be
    young people to be taken away by people who must continue to work instead of retiring.
    It is logical that instead of one employee working five days a week, it will be necessary to hire two
    workers working for four days.
    But they will receive, respectively, less, which of normal businessmen will pay a person tighter
    the salary that he receives in five working days, in four days ?!
    Accordingly, people will receive less, and spend over the weekend three days instead of two, more.

    By this, with millions of salaries, "You stay here, all the best to you, good mood and health."
  • Palomnik 13 August 2019 16: 16 New
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    By the way, something for a long time on the federal channels there were no stories about 80-year-old ladies and gentlemen who do not want to retire,

    In AiF, they constantly write about vigorous cheerful pensioners .. Annoyingly terribly.
    A reduction in working days will not lead to anything good .. Again, something is muddied.
    Something Putin has sold in earnest .. And so life is not sugar. Most certainly will not survive until retirement, and then they will cut back their pension too. When will you officials in Moscow get enough money? Though liberalpmi come out to protests ..
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      It is useless to protest against liberals with liberals to prepare people for the struggle for communism
  • yehat 13 August 2019 16: 16 New
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    Everyone has cars, there are not enough parking lots!

    a very large proportion of used old cars.
    in addition, even this fleet more than a third is bought on credit, and more than half buy new cars on credit. And where is the rich population?
    Moreover, for me a car is a necessity. By car, 25 minutes to work, 2 hours by public transport. The car saves me every day 3 hours of personal time, but it costs 2 times more than transport.
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      Yes, these cars and other goodies, as some cheers patriots consider, like a handout, like a carrot. And loans are real slavery.
  • viktor. 13 August 2019 16: 17 New
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    Plus for the economy, only one will be Stolen in 4 Days Less !!!!
    1. AUL
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      Yes, no, in this field they plow seven days a week!
  • Nyrobsky 13 August 2019 16: 24 New
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    In short, as I understand it, it became too tedious for deputies to the Duma and senators to sit out their pants 5 days a week under the arches of the State Duma and Sov.feed. For such "meager salaries" 4 days will be just right.
  • anjey 13 August 2019 16: 41 New
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    It seems that some kind of forces inside the country are specially throwing through the media such provocative and unrealistic ideas that there would be just any reason for the booze among the people ....
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      that some forces inside the country are specially thrown through the media

      1. Some forces - DAM first voiced this idea.
      2. Throw in specially - do not throw in, but reduce the population of Russia. Up to 15 million to maintain and maintain the “pipe”.
  • 16112014nk 13 August 2019 16: 53 New
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    In Soviet times, not 7 times, but 107 times measured before cutting. And now defective managers are cutting, using their irresponsibility and impunity. And then the people are blown away.
  • Avior 13 August 2019 16: 54 New
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    The French have a working week of 35 hours with a vacation of 5 weeks.
    If the working week is 40 hours, then plus 2 weeks to leave and.
    And they are unhappy, still on strike
  • Archivist Vasya 13 August 2019 17: 35 New
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    highly productive labor in individual countries, industries and enterprises

    We do not belong to these countries, but rather the opposite - somewhere at the end of the train. In most areas, we have the lowest labor efficiency. So many unnecessary papers are drawn up so that enough for a whole working day without the use of a pancake production.
    Good article, right questions.
    I hope Dimon to get hangover and forget this heresy that has entered his head - he will continue to broadcast about IT / NANO technologies. drinks
  • samarin1969 13 August 2019 17: 47 New
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    ... some sophisticated dirty trick. Probably the 5th day we will work on conditions of migrant workers (semi-legally). Lawyers have probably already drawn up a Jesuit "supplementary agreement" to the ordinary contract.
  • Rwmos 13 August 2019 18: 04 New
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    Window dressing. Normalized working day is not able to provide. Practically all private owners have a working day NORMAL!
  • Galleon 13 August 2019 18: 08 New
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    The appeal to the Churchill nation is known when he took up the post of Prime Minister of Great Britain before WW2: "I promise you nothing but sweat and tears."
    Need to work! Work, bring benefits here - otherwise nothing. What does it mean 4 business days? Does this mean that the key sectors of the economy that are important for the superprofits of our nouveau riche are already digitalized enough, automated in order not to depend critically on mass labor? Maybe. But such a step as the announcement of a 4-day work week rather suggests that the wonderful life of our rulers does not depend on the results of our work - the masses are quite disconnected from the sources of real money. Money has gone somewhere. Masses can be picked 5 days a week, maybe 4 or 6 - the elite doesn’t care about it. Her profits flow where they should, "and in the end where they flow into." Money is not even made at the enterprises of Roscosmos - they remain in holdings and corporations, from impoverished (or economical - as you like) factories they went to banks and offices in kilobytes and badges on paper. The digital economy, the development of which annually we spend billions.
    We’ll have to look for a half-rate job still.
  • Doliva63 13 August 2019 18: 09 New
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    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: MoJloT
    and I put a bolt on the court

    Comment worthy of a citizen and patriot of Russia! fellow
    Once again, I am convinced of the urgent need for the appearance of sensible trade unions in Russia, Schaub's feet have dried up for you like them. yes

    At one time, the West supported the trade unions as a "bone" for the people, so as not to look back at the successes of the Russian proletarians who successfully nationalized
    Quote: 16112014nk
    In Soviet times, not 7 times, but 107 times measured before cutting. And now defective managers are cutting, using their irresponsibility and impunity. And then the people are blown away.

    Well, people like to puff off, if a quarter of a century votes for it laughing
    1. Rzzz 13 August 2019 19: 29 New
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      Quote: Doliva63
      Well, people like to puff off, if a quarter of a century votes for it

      Do you really believe in that clowning called "election"? I don’t believe it since those elections when a bunch of EBN danced on stage. These were the first elections after my coming of age, and I was even glad then that I was on a boat far from the nearest section.
  • Sergei 23 13 August 2019 18: 31 New
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    I think that they will not introduce a four-day week, due to the movement that is increasingly growing in protest. There will be more protesters. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard will have no days off at all.
  • raid14 13 August 2019 18: 55 New
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    Okay, 4 days a week is a great idea.
    Less the change in the labor code, the reduction of vacation time, the abolition of benefits at 40 hour week during processing, the abolition of overtime, etc. etc. Ultimately, the shortage of seniority (points) and the minimum pension.
  • ZVS
    ZVS 13 August 2019 18: 56 New
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    The impression that Putin, Medvedev and Shmakov live in different countries is becoming more and more stable. Putin is talking about increasing GDP, Medvedev is talking about increasing labor productivity, and Shmakov is not hearing anyone at all - neither the country's leadership, nor the people. How can you increase GDP by working less? And to what extent can labor productivity be increased if workers already work on the verge of physical capabilities? do these three celestials have a clue about this? Well, what about Shmakov ... I don’t understand what he is doing, if it is decreasing every year, the number of work collectives that have trade unions in the enterprise? And all these three leaders cannot meet and agree on a single economic line in the state!
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    But I support the transition to 4 working days a week, more time to go fishing, to nature, to get involved in sports, to read books, generally spend on my beloved and my family, Stalin once planned a 4-day working week and 6 - a one-hour working day, you won’t earn all the money, and whoever wants to be in papa carlo mode or as gastro-workers go to the private trader for 6 and 7 working days a week and live work ...
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    possible transition to a 4-day work week in Russiaand can be associated with “high-productivity labor in selected countries, industries and enterprises ”
    .
    What is the relationship of individual countries to Russia.
    that the countries in the top ten world leaders in shortest working weeksimultaneously possess high rates in socio-economic sphere.
    From the beginning, high indicators in the socio-economic sphere, then you can shorten the work week. We need to work, there is no economy ... Only idiotic initiatives in the minds of officials.
  • sir_obs 13 August 2019 19: 10 New
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    There is a proposal to the government to make a three-day work week, or even less. Maybe then the amount of nonsense per unit of time they will be reduced.
  • 1536 13 August 2019 19: 18 New
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    Which countries have switched to 4-day, does anyone know? Maybe the USA is the measure of all measures?
    Calling circles on the water - should be documented and provided with budgetary funds. It’s like with constant proposals to move the hands of the clock back, or some other voiced initiatives of our initiative.
  • Rzzz 13 August 2019 19: 24 New
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    There is an assumption that with the introduction of this norm, the salary in labor contracts will be prescribed not monthly, but hourly, as in America. Then it will just be possible to drive more people to do the same work. This will lead to a decrease in unemployment, in the form in which it is considered statistics, to a decrease in the paid unemployment benefits, to an increase in the income of the MHIF. Solid benefits for the state, no change for employers and 20% reduction in salaries for workers.
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      Many of the people who are not parents with many children and (or) who do not have dependent or elderly relatives may perhaps agree to a 20% reduction in earnings over a four-day period. And some in one or two of these three days would be engaged in an informal part-time job.
  • Naive 13 August 2019 20: 16 New
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    Oh yes, calm down comrades, citizens, they told you in some industries and spheres and the sphere will be one state administration!
  • jaroff 13 August 2019 20: 47 New
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    And we do not mind. Now we work on Saturdays for double payment, and we will receive double for Friday.
  • vadivm59 13 August 2019 20: 53 New
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    Well, well. I have been working for 5 days, but they haven’t been paid for 4 months already. And I don’t care ... and to trade unions and the prosecutor.
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      So did you turn to unions? All legal methods have been tried. They solve a lot of such cases in favor of workers.
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        Well, the prosecutor came in a week at the complaint of the workers, so what? They gave a salary for April and again silence. Now, to whom to go with the petition? to the “king"? so far away.
  • Astra wild 13 August 2019 20: 54 New
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    Dear author, why are you asking us about this, and not D. A. himself? After all, you are personally acquainted with him, and if so then approach him and say:
    - Dmitry Anatolyevich, answer one question, what do you think?
    1. Volodin 14 August 2019 08: 19 New
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      Dear author, why are you asking us about this, and not D. A. himself? After all, you personally know him

      Hmm ... But I didn’t know that I was "personally acquainted" with D.AM ... Thank you for enlightening, I will know)))
  • DimDimych 13 August 2019 21: 06 New
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    then why did you have to raise the retirement age

    IT'S IRONY? To not pay a pension!
    And about 4 days it is not clear, 40 hours a week will need to work out?
    now, 5 days x 8 hours = 40 hours, 4 days x 10 hours = 40 hours or offer 4 days x 8 hours = 32 hours a week.
    And with the cost of man-hours it is not clear, we do not have at the legislative level, as in the USA, a minimum rate per hour.
    Therefore, the one who works on an hourly pay transaction is more likely to lose, and the one who works on the salary-bonus system doesn’t care that he works 32/40/45 hours a week, he gets his salary, and the bonus is from hours does not depend. Each employee individually needs to understand how convenient it is: for someone 4 days, if he lives next to work, and someone 5 days, if you have to get to work for several hours (as an example)
  • Last centurion 13 August 2019 21: 09 New
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    on the one hand, you don’t have time to do all the work in a day and stay for an hour ... on the other hand, when you leave your house at 8 in the morning, he is completely parked ... these people sleep, they don’t go anywhere ... what are they doing ... or the whole society is divided into employees and traders ... and no one is woken up by a change to a factory ... all the factories in China ... our aliexpress is everything