Persistent talk about 4-day work week in Russia

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Following Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Russia was proposed to transfer Russia to a four-day work week in the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of the Russian Federation. At the same time, the FNPR stated that a reduction in the number of working days should not necessarily lead to a decrease in wages. I would like to believe in it, but the question is: how to oblige each employer to do this? Could there again be “workaround” schemes and loopholes when an employee suddenly “wanted” to work five or six days a week exclusively “on his own initiative”?

Persistent talk about 4-day work week in Russia




At the same time, they declared in the FNPR apparatus that the possible transition to the 4-day work week in Russia can be attributed to "high-productivity work in individual countries, industries and enterprises." The same trade union department says that countries that are in the top ten world leaders in the shortest working week, at the same time have high rates in the socio-economic sphere.

The strangeness of these persistent conversations is that the government has repeatedly stated that labor productivity in the Russian Federation does not reach the level of economically developed countries. FNPR also speaks only of individual sectors. And where, then, is the logic in the statements in support of the 4 day? Either the government has already developed a set of measures, in the implementation of which labor productivity in all sectors will be significantly increased, or all these words are nothing more than populism.

If we assume that in modern conditions, for example, industrial production is transferred to the 4-day, then you need to either increase the percentage of automation of production, or to recruit an additional number of employees. Large-scale automation is not an expensive task, and expanding the staff in a number of industries may not be possible due to the lack of trained personnel.

But what about the medical field? In the regions, often even with the current parameters of the working week, there are not enough specialists in medical facilities. If you reduce the number of working days, then either dissolve the patients home, or again increase the staff of doctors and nurses, but then again a vicious circle, since there are not enough specialists.

What about education? Work on 4 days, and study on 5 days or 6 days? Or all, both teachers and students, on an 4 day with a simultaneous reduction in the volume of curricula and programs? Less math or minus physical education?

The military sphere is still more complicated, there are even more questions. Automation is definitely not enough.

But if suddenly on the central channels stories about absolutely happy Russians (including the elderly), who enthusiastically talk about the salary saved by the employer while reducing the weekly workload on the initiative of the employer himself, will often flicker on, the law may be passed. And about its feasibility, effectiveness and consequences, not only for the economy as a whole, but also for an individual citizen, as often happens, we will think later ...

By the way, for a long time there were no stories on federal channels about 80-year-old ladies and gentlemen who do not want to retire, but want to not only work, but also scuba diving, parachuting and winning kettlebell lifting competitions.
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  1. +80
    13 August 2019 14: 53
    I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?
    1. +37
      13 August 2019 15: 00
      It takes me 5 days at work, if one day I don’t leave, then it’s hard to catch up. In general, it seems to me that everyone does not care about the economics of licking to throw a bone to the people so that they do not buzz.
      1. +28
        13 August 2019 15: 13
        Indeed, five days is not enough if you really work, but here four ... I can’t understand the logic of our prime minister in principle. Until I reach retirement, I no longer set a goal; the main thing now is to provide children with the future and hold their grandchildren in their arms, continuing to work to death, now with a four-day work week. But! Three days off! What for?!
        1. +49
          13 August 2019 15: 26
          I can not understand the logic
          The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi
          1. +24
            13 August 2019 15: 45
            Quote: MoJloT
            I can not understand the logic
            The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi

            Rather, they will simply pay less, and the production plan will remain the same.
            1. +14
              13 August 2019 15: 48
              production plan will remain the same
              Naturally, the volume for the position will remain the same, just paid days in the week will be not 5, but 4.
              1. +7
                13 August 2019 15: 58
                Quote: MoJloT
                I can not understand the logic
                The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work then go out on your own initiative, on your unpaid day off. Total your salary per month takes less, and you work the same. hi

                By the way, this is a very common situation at the factory, especially with a chord of time-consuming work to strictly specified deadlines!
                1. +18
                  13 August 2019 16: 08
                  Do we have many unionized enterprises in Russia? Only if the enterprises are large! In small private enterprises, there are no unions at all!

                  So are trade union leaders entitled to speak on behalf of the entire working people with such legislative proposals in the country ?! Of course not!
                  1. +32
                    13 August 2019 16: 10
                    How many trade unionized enterprises do we have in Russia?
                    Are there many unions left in Russia? Those that I know only collect money from workers, they do more harm than good.
                    1. +17
                      13 August 2019 17: 10
                      The FNPR proposal is beneficial in its practical implementation in practice in life only to Russian officials and civil servants. Namely.

                      As for the Russian officials and civil servants, it is precisely for them that they will not only be guaranteed a reduction in the working week, but at the same time they will guaranteed an increase in the hourly wage of their labor by approximately 20% - while maintaining his previous monthly salaries and bonus system.

                      In fact, it is nothing more than a bribe of officials and civil servants in the form of a connection in the upcoming elections in the Russian Federation, the so-called. The "administrative resource" of those in power when they vote on the side of the current authorities.
                      Or is it a direct "undercover liberal" provocation on the part of the FNPR trade union leadership to further discriminate against representatives of the current government in the country in the eyes of the bulk of the working people.
                      1. +3
                        13 August 2019 22: 08
                        I am a civil servant, I work for five days, there is a lot of work - planning, calculations, reporting, approvals ... in short, continuous bureaucracy ... Reporting - for a quarter - a waste paper cabinet - I buy paper for printing on my salary - for 2 quarters - I spent 3 full boxes ... I stay late after work and until 20:00 ... and until 22:00 ... I go out on weekends ... sometimes both ... on Monday again to work))) In the report card 5 - "8-rock "and 2 days off.)))
                        Now tell me what is the benefit to me the 4th week ???? So what will be 4 - "8" and 3 days off?
                        I work well - I get well.
                        The deer understands - this means only one thing - I will receive less. So what are my benefits ?????
                        hourly payment???? - are you uncle ???? we are not "pieceworkers" we have a salary - for rank, and for position, every month the same, no matter how many days off at work I spent.
                      2. +4
                        13 August 2019 22: 29
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        The deer understands - this means only one thing - I will receive less. So what are my benefits ?????

                        Why not understand something here?
                        FNPR proposes to reduce the working week from 5 to 4 days while maintaining the same earnings while reducing the number of slaves. hours a week.
                        At the same time, according to the proposal of the FNPR, salaries and bonuses for officials and civil servants will remain, since they (i.e. you personally) are state employees and it is easy for the state to control this. Your employer is the state, and the manager is the government, and the treasury is the state budget.
                        But what about those wage earners in privately owned enterprises - with the monetaristic (i.e., pursuit of profits) system in the country? Those. under capitalism! Where are the guarantees that this will not lead to increased exploitation? There are no such guarantees, as they were not!

                        So do not you - civil servants - cry!
                      3. +1
                        13 August 2019 22: 32
                        the terms of reference will remain the same, as I was at 6 / 7 days a week at work - I will remain)))
                      4. +1
                        13 August 2019 22: 35
                        By the way, we are full of empty seats, come and wait ... only for some reason people do not stay with us ... run away to private owners ...
                      5. +1
                        13 August 2019 22: 45
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        By the way, we have a lot of empty seats, come wait ... only for some reason people do not stay with us ...

                        Where is it? Take me as a locksmith, plus my mother - blind? Give me a room, though?
                      6. +1
                        13 August 2019 22: 48
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        people do not stay with us ... run away to private owners ...

                        Why not hold on?
                      7. 0
                        13 August 2019 22: 52
                        Why are you silent? Or nothing to say?
                      8. +3
                        13 August 2019 23: 00
                        One "young specialist" after the university declared on the 2nd day of work: "I didn't imagine it so well." and disappeared. In short, not for that his mother "grew a berry." And our ads - on any job search engine.
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                      10. +1
                        13 August 2019 22: 37
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        the terms of reference will remain the same, as I was at 6 / 7 days a week at work - I will remain)))
                        This is prohibited by law. You can contact the FNPR and the prosecutor’s office for violating the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.

                        I was at work 6 / 7 days a week - I will stay
                        And where do you work then (at what workplace?), If the state institution is closed during non-working hours and workers are not allowed in it ?!
                      11. 0
                        13 August 2019 22: 52
                        We need good health and age up to 40, so we won’t take mom. Excuse me. Housing? it’s like you all live in another country. Adult - and believe in fairy tales.
                      12. -2
                        13 August 2019 23: 02
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        We need good health and age before 40,

                        Well you and. I - 45, then everything, side? You, live to 50-years, remember your balabok.
                      13. +2
                        13 August 2019 23: 12
                        Do not poke please, and by the way, I’m not rude to you. All I wanted to say was I said.
                      14. 0
                        13 August 2019 23: 15
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        All I wanted to say was I said.

                        All that you told me, I heard. Question: Where do you work?
                      15. -1
                        13 August 2019 23: 21
                        I do not want to say which institution I work in. Ordinary provincial institution. such in every city.
                      16. -1
                        13 August 2019 23: 25
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        I do not want to say which institution I work in. Ordinary provincial institution. such in every city.

                        Budget employee, then. And not ashamed of you sitting on your working neck?
                      17. +3
                        13 August 2019 23: 35
                        No, not ashamed. Doctors are not ashamed. Are educators in kindergarten not ashamed? The military - so they are generally proud. We have a lot of jobs, and you, like everyone else, could come and work about 6 years ago ... Recently, 2 people came, 40 of them managed ... they cut one at the factory, the other did repairs ... Tired of uncle work ...
                      18. 0
                        13 August 2019 23: 41
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        Doctors are not ashamed. Are educators in kindergarten not ashamed? The military - so they are generally proud.

                        Do you even know how many kindergarten teachers get? What about the nurses? Sit yourself, push opu on the couch.
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        Tired of uncle working ...

                        Well ka, tell me how much you worked for uncle? And why are you tired?
                      19. -11
                        13 August 2019 23: 52
                        Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;
                        a nanny 17-25 (my mother-in-law is still working), as many nurses;
                        Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..
                        He worked for his uncle, and studied at the same time full-time. Do not want anymore.
                      20. +14
                        14 August 2019 00: 02
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;

                        Why are you driving a blizzard! Our teachers on 12 get thousands.
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..

                        Hehe. My sister has been working as a nurse for 40 years. Salary - 18 thousand.
                        Drive on.
                      21. -7
                        14 August 2019 00: 09
                        You know better. I don’t see the point of arguing. For curiosity, at least they scored in Yandex. Goodbye. I have to work tomorrow at 7 am))))
                      22. -1
                        14 August 2019 15: 20
                        I have a wife - a doctor, KMN. Commercial medicine. 140-160. It would not hurt your sister to learn at one time.
                      23. +6
                        14 August 2019 15: 52
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        I have a wife - a doctor, KMN. Commercial medicine. 140-160. It would not hurt your sister to learn at one time.

                        Oh, great as they said! sad Commercial medicine, you say? Yes, in our free hospital, doctors hint at offerings, but they have nothing to pay, and then the girl went into commerce? Who pays her so much, the Zenit players, or something, which is spent on Peter’s half-medical budget? Greetings to her from the rest of the pensioners, who can’t scrape together the pills. Surprise such comments. My friend’s father died, they couldn’t pay to the commercial chamber, they threw them in the corridor, there were only places in the commercial ones. The conscience of people like your wife do not torment? At night, slippers do not dismiss all those deceased that they could not pay?
                        Komsomolskaya Pravda tried to figure out how it happened that twelve millionaire players were paid sick pay more than all other residents of the city combined

                        https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/25965/2903694/
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        For curiosity, at least they scored in Yandex.

                        Good promise. You do not wave to me Yandex, you better look at the nearest hospital clinic.
                      24. -1
                        14 August 2019 15: 54
                        Is it probably in the Kremlin or in rubles so the teachers and nannies are paid? Or did you start ventriloquism Putin?
                      25. +1
                        14 August 2019 17: 55
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        Educator - 45-60 depending on qualifications;
                        a nanny 17-25 (my mother-in-law is still working), as many nurses;
                        Doctor - depending on the qualifications of 50 - 100 thousand or more ..
                        He worked for his uncle, and studied at the same time full-time. Do not want anymore.

                        Sorry, I wanted to ask you - is this salary in hryvnias?
                      26. +1
                        17 August 2019 03: 25
                        R. Komi - in rubles.
                      27. 0
                        13 August 2019 22: 54
                        do not believe it, but some institutions generally work around the clock)))
                      28. +2
                        13 August 2019 23: 00
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        some institutions generally work around the clock

                        However, the Labor Code does not change from this.
                        Violation of the law - it is a violation of the law.

                        Now imagine what happens to employees at a private-owned employer!
                      29. 0
                        13 August 2019 23: 04
                        According to the report card, everything is within the framework of the code))))))))))))) And they sue us - only when they retire. And it's too early for me)))) The prosecutor's office? Investigative committee? do you even know how they work? These are generally the most discriminated within the framework of labor law))))
                      30. +4
                        14 August 2019 01: 57
                        Regarding the transition to a working four-day week. In fact, the country has long tested both four- and three-and even at some enterprises a two-day working week. And in other cases, there is a general trend towards preservation of businesses with reductions - layoffs and cunning semi-paid vacations, when you need to come to work once a month and only to bookkeeping. In Russian socio-economic realities, talking about a shorter working week is an acknowledgment of the fact that the state does not need excessive labor zeal of Russians. It is easier for an oil and gas producing country to pay benefits to the bulk of the population than to maintain an army of state employees, come up with production plans for barely living state corporation plants, and also experience political discomfort from the endless storm in the commercial sector. The promise to pay for a shortened working week as a full one only confirms the thesis that the authorities no longer care about the volume of gross product produced in reality, since the administrative capabilities of Rosstat allow achieving any virtual indicators even with stopped open-hearth farms, non-working farms and closed offices. Of course, there are certain nuances associated with the fact that in the business sector, the costs of an additional payment for the fifth working day, legally declared a day off, will be borne by entrepreneurs. However, since small and medium-sized businesses are at an end and are no longer showing signs of life, then this sector is, by and large, such innovations are becoming indifferent, since they will not greatly affect its predetermined fate. Big business is state or near-state, and therefore all the more indifferent to such trade union innovations.
                        Telegram, Master of the pen.
                      31. +3
                        14 August 2019 02: 03
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For officials and civil servants, salaries and bonuses will remain at the suggestion of the FNPR

                        But they would give them a minimum according to the new schedule! And you see, their payroll will be saved ... And not figs! Their salary should increase after the salaries of workers, from the taxes of which it is formed!
                      32. 0
                        14 August 2019 17: 45
                        In the report card 5 - "8-rock"and 2 days off.)))

                        And I did not know that in Ukraine they were going to introduce a 4-day period.
                        I honestly did not know. what
                      33. +5
                        13 August 2019 22: 44
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The FNPR proposal is beneficial in its practical implementation in practice in life only to Russian officials and civil servants. Namely.

                        As for Russian officials and civil servants, it is just they who will not only be guaranteed a reduction in the work week, but at the same time they will be guaranteed a feat increase of Hourly pay of about 20% - while maintaining their previous monthly salaries and bonus system .

                        I totally agree! And what will change for the majority working for private owners? NEVER MIND! how they worked, they will be so! Including holidays and a 7-day week with a plus! And it will just be even harder for us to find an official in the workplace!
                      34. +3
                        13 August 2019 22: 51
                        Quote: non-primary
                        And it will just be even harder for us to find an official in the workplace!

                        And to the doctor in budgetary the clinic will be more difficult to register! Etc.
                    2. 0
                      14 August 2019 12: 06
                      Many enterprises have trade unions, it all depends on the workers themselves. And they provide real assistance in the courts and the like
                  2. +3
                    13 August 2019 19: 28
                    Thus, working days for officials, deputies and other `` very responsible '' employees are reduced (while maintaining salaries). Less responsible, i.e. everyone else will also work in a new way - 4 working days + 1 voluntary-compulsory for previously not completed work (well, they did not manage to do five-day work in four days) without payment.
                  3. +3
                    14 August 2019 01: 27
                    Yes you are right ! The "paradox" of modern Russia: "stormy" talks about the Russian democratic, social state and the situation with trade unions, probably at the level of the beginning of the 20th century! It is possible that there were more trade unions in tsarist Russia at the beginning of the century! By the way, for some reason this "paradox" is not discussed either in the government or in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation ... in any case, at the level at which it should be ...
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2019 12: 11
                      Hardly more. But people were more active, so the trade unions were correspondingly also more active. Now many do not get off the couch. Therefore, the role of trade unions is different. They quietly work in offices, in courts.
              2. +9
                13 August 2019 16: 17
                Better 6 hour work day, and 3 days off per week - impermissible relax in any way. It is more difficult then to enter the rhythm, as after long holidays.
                1. 0
                  14 August 2019 12: 12
                  Well, for women with children, this extra day off would really help. A bunch of things can be redone. not everyone is lazy at the weekend. I am for this initiative
                2. +1
                  14 August 2019 18: 53
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  Better 6 hour work day, and 3 days off per week - impermissible relax in any way. It is more difficult then to enter the rhythm, as after long holidays.

                  As for me, I do not believe in the "good intentions" of "our" government and "our" deputies. Well, I don't believe it, that's all!
                  Less than a month later, they "threw the bait" to reduce the working week. And now, from every "iron" they talk about it.
                  That is, most likely they will pass this law through the Duma.
                  And again they will not "consult" with the people.
                  "And we will be happy"
                  Sorry for the emotions.
                3. 0
                  15 August 2019 07: 45
                  Shifts do not share nifiga. She and the three-shift are not very convenient, especially if you go on the third shift.
            2. +3
              13 August 2019 22: 06
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Rather, they will simply pay less, and the production plan will remain the same.

              I am 100% sure, in the vast majority of cases it will be so.
              Our management even does this, they transfer it to 4 days in the summer in order to compensate for the paid vacation pay. As a result, both wages are less and vacation pay is the same ....... But the plan and load are twice as much due to the shortened day and those who went on vacation.
          2. +4
            13 August 2019 15: 50
            Quote: MoJloT
            The logic is simple, you have 4 paid working days, if you do not have time to do your work, then leave on your own initiative, in your unpaid day off.

            You did not take into account one moment, I do not say for everyone, but there is a practice of remuneration of labor on weekends at a double rate. hi
            1. +17
              13 August 2019 15: 55
              there is a practice of remuneration at the weekend at a double rate.
              A much more common practice, you do not have time during working hours, is your problem.
              1. -10
                13 August 2019 16: 00
                Quote: MoJloT
                you do not have time during working hours, your problem

                If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
                1. +1
                  13 August 2019 16: 19
                  Quote: Dym71
                  the judge will have a different opinion.

                  That's right. But there are ways to trick the system. You can write in the TC a condition about 4 days, and without changing anything, absolutely legal, pay for 4 days, not 5 or 6.))) And everything will be fine. Especially for Rosstat)))
                  1. +2
                    13 August 2019 16: 29
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    It is possible to prescribe in the shopping center a condition about 4 days and without changing anything, absolutely legal, pay for 4 days, and not for 5 or 6.)))

                    So you can go out only 4 days laughing
                    1. +4
                      13 August 2019 16: 38
                      Quote: Dym71
                      So you can go out and only 4 days laughing

                      Of course you can .. you even need to!)) I had in mind the following, that even now there are absolutely legal ways to reduce wages after switching to 4 days relative to a 5 or 6 day working week. To hire more people to earn money from such a scam, as a result, the number of man-hours for the employer will not decrease, the wage bill will not increase, and statistics will show a decrease in the number of unemployed))) While I was sitting here I remembered another way of honestly taking money . The methods acting on them now work real people. So everything is possible to do absolutely legally.
                2. +9
                  13 August 2019 16: 21
                  I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
                  This is an extremely dubious prospect, a bonus to which will be screwing up labor, problems with retirement.
                  1. +2
                    13 August 2019 16: 26
                    Quote: MoJloT
                    This is an extremely dubious prospect.

                    I dare not argue hi
                    1. +4
                      13 August 2019 16: 33
                      I dare not argue hi
                      That's right, to work with staff is my specialty, and I put a bolt on the court, if the management decided that the person is not needed here, he will not be here. And let him go about the courts, seek the truth until his legs are dry.
                      1. 0
                        13 August 2019 16: 38
                        Quote: MoJloT
                        and I put a bolt on the court

                        Comment worthy of a citizen and patriot of Russia! fellow
                        Once again, I am convinced of the urgent need for the appearance of sensible trade unions in Russia, Schaub's feet have dried up for you like them. Yes
                      2. +9
                        13 August 2019 16: 40
                        the appearance in Russia of sensible trade unions, Schaub legs have dried off your like
                        God grant, God grant. But this will never happen, from the word at all. hi In addition, disciplinary sanctions can be issued to an employee at least every day, this is a matter of the court.
                      3. -1
                        14 August 2019 12: 13
                        All this depends only on the people themselves. And current unions can be a real political force with due support from workers.
                3. AUL
                  +15
                  13 August 2019 17: 50
                  Quote: Dym71
                  If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.

                  That is, do you offer a hard worker from the machine to butt in court with a corporation lawyer? The outcome is obvious! And, regardless of whether he loses the court or wins it (well, miracles sometimes happen) - at the enterprise he is no longer a tenant. They will tear out so that it may be disgraceful for others!
                  And about the idea itself. "Through the intensification of labor." How to make a carrier who manages to make 10 flights a day to make 12? How can a turner, who sharpens 100 parts a day, sharpen 120, if he has a calculated technology with cutting conditions? How to get a doctor who accepts 20 people per shift to take 25 (and even really help them)? And all this - without loss of quality?
                  It turns out that for a smaller amount of work, the employer will have to pay the old money. Will they go for it? - a rhetorical question! There are a million tricks and loopholes in the law, so as not to lose profits. But officials - they will obviously be glad of an extra day off in their overwork.
                  But, it seems, TOP of the issue has already been resolved, because the fuss started according to the same scheme as with the pension reform.
                  1. -3
                    13 August 2019 18: 27
                    Quote from AUL
                    That is, do you offer a hard worker from the machine to butt in court with a corporation lawyer?

                    Do you propose to tear three skins from him? belay
                    1. AUL
                      +3
                      13 August 2019 18: 30
                      Quote: Dym71
                      Do you propose to tear three skins from him?

                      Please indicate where I suggested this. And I’m not going to discuss your nonsense!
                      1. 0
                        13 August 2019 18: 32
                        Quote from AUL
                        Please indicate where I suggested this.

                        Here I am about the same!
                        Where did I suggest?
                        Quote from AUL
                        hard worker from the machine butting in court with a corporate lawyer
                4. +3
                  14 August 2019 00: 50

                  Dym71 (Andrey) Yesterday, 16:00 New

                  -8
                  Quote: MoJloT
                  you do not have time during working hours, your problem

                  If you are a conscientious employee (without absenteeism, etc., etc.), then I assure you, the judge will have a different opinion.
                  Yes, only you will not work at your enterprise ....
            2. AUL
              +7
              13 August 2019 16: 45
              Quote: Dym71
              but there is a practice of wages at the weekend at a double rate.

              And a lot of where this practice is applied? Minuscule!
            3. +1
              13 August 2019 22: 14
              everything is correct 2nd tariff, and they will also issue a lip-rolling machine))))) "there is no money, but you hold on" - by the way, it was also said about civil servants))))
              1. +1
                13 August 2019 22: 18
                Quote: Amin_Vivec
                and also the lip-sealing machine will be issued)))))

                And you do not wait for distribution, choose for yourself, tea is not from serfs bully
                1. +1
                  13 August 2019 22: 22
                  I have no illusions - 4 is bad. For me it is doubly bad. About double tariffs on weekends - I don’t believe in fairy tales, so I’ll manage, thanks.
                  1. -1
                    13 August 2019 22: 32
                    Quote: Amin_Vivec
                    I have no illusions - 4 is bad

                    Agree
                    Quote: Amin_Vivec
                    About double rates on the weekend - I do not believe in fairy tales

                    And these are not fairy tales, this is the Labor Code of the Russian Federation. Article 153. Remuneration of labor on weekends and non-working holidays wink
                    Quote: Amin_Vivec
                    so get along, thanks

                    A wise decision, because on the weekend the body needs to recover Yes
            4. Egg
              +5
              13 August 2019 22: 36
              Quote: Dym71
              You did not take into account one moment, I do not say for everyone, but there is a practice of remuneration of labor on weekends at a double rate.

              Are you definitely talking about Russia? Th not mixed up?
              In Rosneft, Rospan, Transneft, there is a practice of working until 20, or even up to 22 hours; going to work on Saturday and Sunday is especially welcome. No, no one will force you to work this way, for a start you will be transparently hinted that the company has different rules, but if you leave work exactly according to the Labor Code, you will work there very briefly.
              These are state corporations, with trade unions, and now imagine what is happening all over the country, in all kinds of public limited liability companies, state of emergency and other private offices.
              Even in Gazprom (which has always emphasized its social orientation) such "rules" are beginning to penetrate, now large-scale reorganizations are underway in Gazprom, all kinds of "effective" managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. who introduce such orders there.
              1. -1
                13 August 2019 22: 44
                Quote: Telur
                Now imagine what is happening all over the country, in all kinds of LLCs, state of emergency and other private offices

                I'm just one of those smile
                Quote: Telur
                you will work there for a very short time.

                Or maybe the loss will not be great?
                Quote: Telur
                Now large-scale reorganizations are underway in Gazprom, all sorts of "effective" managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. who introduce such orders there.

                Let them do it themselves along with all gas production.
              2. +3
                14 August 2019 00: 56
                Even in Gazprom (which has always emphasized its social orientation) such "rules" are beginning to penetrate, now large-scale reorganizations are underway in Gazprom, all kinds of "effective" managers from Rosneft, Transneft, etc. are coming. who introduce such orders there.
                Rosatom, exactly the same situation has been removed "harmful", from September 1 they are going to remove additional payments for an expanded scope of work (at least at our station).
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        2. +4
          14 August 2019 09: 10
          Quote: ltc35
          I can’t understand the logic of our prime minister in principle


          The logic is simple, the further collapse of the country, what remains of the economy, logistics, everything is according to plan.
        3. 0
          14 August 2019 14: 51
          What, now we need to work hard on Wednesdays ??)))
      2. +20
        13 August 2019 15: 51
        Quote: Clever man
        In general, it seems to me that everyone does not care about the economics of licking to throw a bone to the people so as not to buzz.

        Everything is much simpler - the problems will be thrown onto the shoulders of the people, and the four-day work week will be loved by oneself. It's the same as annoying to press buttons five days a week.
        In a country where the growth of the economy is slightly more than a percent to reduce the working week to four days, I do not want to drive this economy into the very least ...
        hi
        1. +6
          13 August 2019 17: 33
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Everything is much simpler - problems will be thrown onto the shoulders of the people, and the four-day work week will be left to their beloved ones. It’s like it’s boring to press buttons five days a week. In a country where economic growth is slightly more than a percent to reduce the working week to four days - I don't want to drive this economy into the most "unwilling" place ...

          From DAM and the composition of his government, I did not expect anything else!
          1. +9
            13 August 2019 21: 28
            I agree with you, poor DAM overstrained at work and decided to add a day off.
            Okay, LADY knows how to think with her ass, but do some of our colleagues do not wear their heads on their shoulders, but something opposite: "to devote more time to yourself," who will support the family? Not everyone's salary is "ministerial", and it will be cut even further.
            NEVER A CAPITALIST WILL HIMSELF PAY TO US
        2. +1
          13 August 2019 23: 15
          In a country where economic growth is just over a percent

          Growth, excuse me, why? What kind of economy?
          The transition to the 4-day only says that the economy is intensely breaking the bottom.
      3. +3
        13 August 2019 15: 56
        Quote: Clever man
        It takes me 5 days at work, if one day I don’t get out, then it’s hard to catch up.

        Sometimes 7 days are not enough for me ... at the same time, in the USA there is an 6 day, and people plow 12 hours. And here is how to compete with the economies of the world when we even managed to think about the 4 day then?
        1. +10
          13 August 2019 17: 22
          Agree, this is also not normal. What is our sense of life in order to work for the state and the economy? But this is exactly what we, in fact, spend most of our lives on. Early morning rise, an hour and a half at least on the road (personally with me) and a working day. Then in the evening home without legs. We see relatives at times less than our colleagues, is this normal? Now, if humanly. And then in old age, living on a miserable pension, for which we have earned all our life, to sit and think, and what have we spent our life on? Therefore, either work should be a favorite thing and bring pleasure, or at least not take up most of the time.
          1. +5
            13 August 2019 17: 39
            Quote: Voyager
            Agree, this is also not normal. What is our sense of life in order to work for the state and the economy?

            And corporations also need simple people to work more, chase money with their tongues hanging out and think less about what and how ... but give us the illusion of freedom in the form of money (Schaub did not die), sometimes a vacation to a third-rate hotel, where people like we at least eat backwards and of course loans (as without them then). As a result of the hard worker, his whole life bends his back to pay off loans and bring his family to Turkey, to live in a cheap hotel. Well, so that all the servants seemed that everything should be so, they give nishtyaki such as iPhones, hero scooters, smart watches, etc. ... and voila, the servants are happy. fellow
            1. +2
              14 August 2019 09: 31
              Yes, this is the real slavery. In fact, they give as much as is enough for life. For more something and do not have to dream.
          2. +3
            13 August 2019 18: 22
            Quote: Voyager
            Therefore, either work should be a favorite thing and bring pleasure, or at least not take up most of the time.

            The whole philosophy ... And, if simpler:
            Article 40. Citizens the USSR have the right to work, - that is, to get guaranteed work with remuneration in accordance with its quantity and quality and not lower than the minimum size established by the state, - including the right to choose a profession, occupation and work in accordance with vocation, abilities, professional training, education and taking into account social needs.

            Perhaps, just in this state of affairs, it will not be possible to simply take and put the former head of the club on the post of guarantor, and the teacher of Roman law, who does not "hack into the economy and did not create anything in it, - to lead the government.
            The manufacturing process is a very complicated business. There are times when you can’t take and drop everything like this ... An example? There is an operation and ...
            Here is an example of the right approach to life:
            “It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure all members of the society comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they can freely choose their profession, and not to be confined for life, due to the existing division of labor, to one profession.
            What is required for this? It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education. For this, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnical training, which is necessary so that members of the society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real salary of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the cash salary and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. ”
            I.Stalin

            There are other interesting findings:

            hi
        2. +4
          13 August 2019 21: 18
          Quote: NEXUS
          Sometimes 7 days are not enough for me.

          There are two principles:
          We work to live!
          We live to work!
          Everyone chooses for himself. And about 4 days it is not clear, 40 hours a week will need to work out?
          now, 5 days x 8 hours = 40 hours, 4 days x 10 hours = 40 hours or offer 4 days x 8 hours = 32 hours a week.
          And with the cost of man-hours it is not clear, we do not have at the legislative level, as in the USA, a minimum rate per hour.
          Therefore, the one who works on an hourly pay transaction is more likely to lose, and the one who works on the salary-bonus system doesn’t care that he works 32/40/45 hours a week, he gets his salary, and the bonus is from hours does not depend. Each employee individually needs to understand how convenient it is: for someone 4 days, if he lives next to work, and someone 5 days, if you have to get to work for several hours (as an example)
          Most likely, winter and spring weekly holidays will be cut, a hint was from various Duma figures.
          Yes, and universal automation and robotics are just around the corner, what will we do with so many unemployed people who, even before retirement, will have to work somewhere, taking into account that they have raised their retirement age!
          Citizens will have one question - how much will their purchasing power decrease after all these innovations? !!!
      4. tap
        +3
        13 August 2019 17: 31
        "gentlemen who do not want to retire, but want not only to work, but also to scuba dive, jump with a parachute and win kettlebell lifting competitions." There is one such, only not with scuba diving, but in a bathyscaphe ...
      5. +4
        13 August 2019 19: 24
        Yeah, there’s not enough money for five days a week. And then there’ll be 4 more days. Make a vodka for 50 rubles. Going to die would be quicker. You are tired of it.
    2. PN
      +21
      13 August 2019 15: 11
      Yes, everyone is looking for ways to pay people less. In industry, stagnation, it is necessary to somehow officially disperse people to their homes, and how can they officially find a way to cut salaries.
      1. +15
        13 August 2019 15: 22
        Quote: PN
        Yes, everyone is looking for ways to pay people less.

        Applause and a curtain ... I was offered a three-month not triple salary for "processing", but a vacation. Unpaid ... Thank you. Who specifically, ask? I will answer - "Rosneft", its head and his friend. And their surnames? And their surnames are too are known to be called ...
        1. +6
          13 August 2019 15: 53
          On the Russian Railways they practice paying off time ... Which then is still problematic to knock out
        2. +7
          13 August 2019 21: 29
          Recycling? Is there really a recycling for these corrupt official unions in Russia?
          These vile figures have nothing to do like that cat. So the cat at least leads to cleanliness, but these produce nothing but manure and problems. To drive such unions with a filthy broom from the feeders, to drive!
    3. -3
      13 August 2019 15: 53
      "All this was invented by Churchill in the 18th year" V. Vysotsky
      All such delusional, otherwise you can’t say, ideas come from the West.
      With one single purpose-to spoil Russia.
      1. +3
        13 August 2019 18: 47
        Vysotsky was quoted, but his irony was not understood ... sadness
        1. +1
          14 August 2019 02: 04
          Well, explain to me the “wretched” irony of Vysotsky.
          What would not be sad.
          Here many complain that they say they are paid little, but are going to pay even less.
          From my own experience, the owner and the head of a manufacturing enterprise can say one thing - our people love filon. This, in principle, is quite natural. If it weren’t for the desire to get a small job as a big one.
          At the same time, arguing that it is impossible to do more and better. I had to solve the problem radically - he got up to the machine and made two norms, with good quality in front of them. But after that, I set my indicator as the norm. Two left, the rest were indignant, but through the shift they were already issuing the established norm. And for the old money. But, after that, he never stopped them and they had bonuses. Things have gone better. I mean, we still have to increase and increase productivity. Before you can start talking about shortening the work week. Not that time right now for such talk.
    4. +15
      13 August 2019 15: 57
      then why did you have to raise the retirement age?

      So for this purpose they increased it so that people would not live up to retirement and their deductions for the whole working life in the FIU bye bye. Work brothers. They will reduce the work week. They will increase the length of service necessary for retirement.
    5. +3
      13 August 2019 16: 15
      I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?

      Well, before the raising of the pension, there was a conversation that everything will be as before, and now about 4 days it’s, the main thing is that 6 days would not end
    6. +4
      13 August 2019 16: 36
      I join your misunderstanding. But the suspicions are not very good. It seems like they just need some reason or excuse to save money.
      "... a reduction in the number of working days should not necessarily lead to a decrease in wages." Those. may lead. And for the employer, reducing the working week from any angle is not profitable. If salaries are preserved, the cost of production will increase, while salaries decrease - at least a decrease in the number of products produced by 20%. To replenish the output, either expanding production with an increase in staff, or working overtime. The second option again increases the cost of production, so the employer prefers option one.
      So, are they preparing for mass unemployment?
      Or is it more commonplace and someone needs to raise the rating by repealing anti-people’s law?
    7. +4
      13 August 2019 17: 07
      then why did you have to raise the retirement age?

      The same question arises when they begin to discuss what to do with the budget surplus.
    8. +1
      13 August 2019 18: 16
      Quote: Infinity
      I probably don’t understand something ... But if they talk there about the 4 day, when due to labor productivity and automation you can reduce the number of man-hours needed for the production of goods and services, then why did you need to raise the retirement age?

      Because you (at all) do not understand something, and because of you nothing fits in any way, because you proceed from the principle "how should be done better". But you will immediately understand everything, and all the puzzles will come together and dock, if you imagine that they are based on the principle of "how to make things worse."
    9. +4
      13 August 2019 19: 31
      If I correctly understood our offerings, breakthroughs, then they are not going to change the number of hours of work in a week ...., which means that we will work 4 days a week for 10 hours. Given the time to travel to work, the work of kindergartens and schools that are also being rebuilt, a bleak picture emerges: for four days a week people will live to the limit ...
    10. +3
      13 August 2019 21: 27
      They understand everything there. This is a purely political move that does no harm.
      There is even some benefit, purely speculative. Say here, we think about the people.
      Shabby and forgot. Like almost all of Bear’s initiatives.
      And thank God that is so.
      When he takes it seriously, then Libya happens, for example. This is about the UN Security Council resolution.
      And don’t let yourself ... Peter and Fevronia there ... worthless leapfrog with translations of the clock hands and the like.
    11. +3
      13 August 2019 21: 48
      The problem is that in the country there are a lot of jobs that, in principle, are not needed in such a quantity. Example. There is such an AvtoVAZ. It employs about 40 thousand people. Its owners Renault-Nisan really want to lay off half, well, or at least 10 thousand workers and replace them with automation. Just because they are not needed for a modern production in such a quantity in FIG. But the state has nowhere to put such a number of workers. A modern large enterprise is from 500 people. That is, to provide work for 20 thousand in the event of dismissal, it is necessary to build 40 pieces of large pr-in. And for this you need a lot of sales. Representatives of the state-owned government do not allow AvtoVAZ owners to make such reductions.
      The same state Roscosmos also has the same problems. In theory, half should go under the reduction. These ideas are trying to get owners to not reduce staff. That's just the owners will not keep the full salary while reducing the working week. At best, they’ll stop indexing it. At worst, they will force them to renegotiate contracts on the worst terms.
    12. 0
      13 August 2019 21: 53
      Infinity (Infinity) Today, 14:53
      To anger the people, he went to the square to overthrow the existing government (Putin), which amers have like a bone in their throats
      1. 0
        14 August 2019 09: 38
        funny. They are all there in a bunch.
    13. 0
      13 August 2019 22: 04
      Quote: Infinity
      Why did you have to raise the retirement age?

      Alternatively, to "substitute" the president and, by collapsing his rating, deploy "transfer-2024" in the direction necessary for the beneficiaries from the IMF. If we develop this idea, the initiative about the "four-girl" is understandable - in order to reorganize to fit it, it will take years, during which labor productivity will first drop sharply - and the president ordered by his decree to achieve just the opposite, and just over these years.
    14. 0
      14 August 2019 08: 23
      "I probably don't understand something ..." - laughing laughing laughing good And here it was immediately clear to me fellow
    15. +1
      14 August 2019 12: 08
      Just to rob people of a million rubles ..
      The Kremlin organized crime group has completely lost touch with reality ..
    16. 0
      14 August 2019 18: 46
      If I understood correctly, then the news (look for Yandex news, who are very interested) talked about switching to 4 days while maintaining the 40-hour work week (I did not come across proposals to switch to the 36-hour week). T.O. it is possible, de facto, to increase the length of the working day while maintaining a salary, and the released three days can be used for part-time work under the same conditions.
      Here you have the increase in labor productivity ... (By the way, I remember, Prokhorov suggested returning the 12-hour workday ...)
  2. +1
    13 August 2019 14: 54
    Well, this is unlikely, employers will not go for it.
    1. +4
      13 August 2019 15: 05
      Of course they won't. But the LADIES will immediately become "good" ... And 2024 is not far off.
      1. +11
        13 August 2019 15: 16
        LADY no longer become good. He bears such a blizzard that his masterpieces cannot be forgotten, even if you try hard.
        1. +1
          13 August 2019 16: 01
          When the time comes to choose DAM I will immediately make good in the eyes of the electorate, and in other matters just after the elections they will announce that whoever won is needed with a record margin from the rest.
    2. +2
      13 August 2019 15: 07
      Choyt will not go? They will pay for 4 days. Or they will introduce shifts 3 through 3, and you will receive for 3.
      1. +4
        13 August 2019 15: 19
        Not all organizations can do this. For example, we are processing agricultural products. Loaded around the clock.
        1. +1
          13 August 2019 16: 30
          It would be more logical for companies and industries to switch to a shorter working day. For example, most IT people are able to productively work on a program for only a few hours at a time. Then comes the "brain sickness", you want to do anything, just not to program, there are gross errors, you have to spend additional time to correct them. Therefore, after a lunch break, a person is no longer any, will not work much. Then he would go home and let him go. But this is purely specific. In other industries, it is enough to reduce the working day by an hour.
          By the way, in Germany the working day is really shorter than ours. And in France. At the same time, the transition to a shorter working day there led to the fact that with a later retirement than ours, a person earns it by working less than in previous times, the number of hours. This is if not in days to count, but in the total number of hours worked. For example, in order to earn a pension, before, it was necessary to work out a total of 10 hours. And with a shorter day, despite a later retirement, a much smaller number of hours are obtained. Therefore, people at work there do not get tired as much as ours. And then they raised the retirement age, and left the working day eight hours. They understood that they had done it, and now Medvedev is bustling, trying to get out of an awkward position. The working day should be reduced while maintaining a salary, not the number of days!
          1. +1
            13 August 2019 22: 12
            Quote: depressant
            It would be more logical to transfer companies and industries to a shorter working day. But this is purely specific. In other industries, it is enough to reduce the working day by an hour.

            This will lead the employer to the temptation to cut wages. If I am not mistaken, the "four-day period" can be introduced within the framework of the current legislation by including this issue in the collective agreement. Personally, I would agree to work 10 hours a day to have a day off on Friday - this will not cause rejection from the employer, but again, very specific, as you noticed.
  3. +6
    13 August 2019 15: 00
    transition to a 4-day work week in Russia can be associated with “high-productivity labor

    You won’t believe it, but if the company’s management made a margin from your work and got burned out, limousines, a bar to the chef’s office, business class flights and 7-digit holiday bonuses, this also affects YOUR productivity, like taxes.
    therefore, the transition to a 4-day working week is very weakly connected with productivity in general, especially in our country, where the average share of wages in the price of products does not exceed 5-10%.
    1. 0
      13 August 2019 15: 54
      Quote: yehat
      You won’t believe it, but if the company’s management made a margin from your work and got burned out, limousines, a bar to the chef’s office, business class flights and 7-digit holiday bonuses, this also affects YOUR productivity, like taxes.
      therefore, the transition to a 4-day working week is very weakly associated with productivity in general, especially in our country, where the average share of wages in the price of products does not exceed 5-10%

      Where does such data come from, we have about 25-30%.
      1. +3
        13 August 2019 16: 09
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Where does such data come from, we have about 25-30%.

        in different industries in different ways, but there is a downward trend
        if earlier in the construction industry the share of salaries was about 40%, now rarely where it exceeds 15-20% and continues to decline, and the share of salaries of performers there is quite ridiculous - significant overhead costs. And this trend is everywhere.
        Even if you take hairdressers. Where, it seems, the main thing is the work of a hairdresser, already average salary shares are rarely higher than 20-25%.
  4. +14
    13 August 2019 15: 01
    But what about the medical field? What about education? It’s still more difficult with the military sphere

    ,,, in agriculture there is no weekend at all. Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.
    Yes, and with the seed as well.
    1. -2
      13 August 2019 15: 13
      On huge pig farms and cattle complexes is quite feasible. For tractor drivers in large agricultural holdings is also quite feasible. Flexible shift schedule.
      1. +3
        13 August 2019 16: 05
        Are there many such huge pig farms and agricultural holdings in Russia?
        1. 0
          13 August 2019 21: 21
          Most of the pork and beef are produced by large complexes. And a significant part of the land in Central Russia belongs to huge agricultural holdings such as Miratorg, and this share is constantly increasing. Farmers and home owners cannot compete with them.
      2. +2
        13 August 2019 16: 24
        Quote: Sergej1972
        For tractor drivers in large agricultural holdings is also quite feasible.
        Sowing, harvesting, Putin - this is all seasonal work, where you can work 12 hours a day, seven days a week. In the offseason for that - almost free.
    2. +5
      13 August 2019 15: 58
      Quote: bubalik
      Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.

      Burenka - to milk, Ryaba - to rush, bread - to bake, support services - to provide, steelmakers - to cook steel ...
      I feel that they are preparing a blow from behind so that they no longer come to their senses, so that they no longer recover, while they, with manat and relatives, will be on the run ...
      What to take from them - lawyers ... request
  5. +26
    13 August 2019 15: 04
    It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))
    1. +1
      13 August 2019 15: 57
      It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))

      Plus, it will still be necessary to hire those who will carry out 20% of the remaining work!))
    2. +4
      13 August 2019 18: 23
      Quote: Signifer
      It seems that the deputies and higher officials will go over 4 days. They have been offering this for a long time, and they will sign it for themselves. They have very hard work, the country is huge, and it’s difficult to lead. For ordinary people, such a system is not suitable, their work is simpler and easier, they can work out not only five, but 6, 7, and even 8 days (per week). And how do they imagine switching to 4 out of 5 without reducing the RFP? Again, only deputies fit their senior colleagues)))

      State Duma deputies have already taken the first step towards this. From this summer they switched to a 4-hour work day, i.e. from 12 to 16 hours. But, see, this is not enough for them.
  6. -1
    13 August 2019 15: 05
    You can enter, but it seems to me, on a voluntary basis, i.e. a person must decide for himself. Indeed, many people really need, for various reasons, another day off.
    1. +3
      13 August 2019 15: 48
      Quote: Nycomed
      Another day off.

      What is another weekend?
  7. +16
    13 August 2019 15: 05
    All that has recently been going from the “top” unfortunately worsens the position of the “lower classes”, even suggestions that are pleasant to the ear. Free cheese only in a mousetrap.
    1. +4
      13 August 2019 15: 09
      What is pleasant then? Are you pleased to look at your sn in January, or May? Here is the same ...
      1. -5
        13 August 2019 16: 12
        if the salary is still the same as the number of days off in a month))))
        1. -1
          13 August 2019 19: 39
          Salary is calculated on the time worked .. Learn the mat. part
          1. 0
            14 August 2019 11: 47
            no))) learn the materiel yourself !!! always in the same January we get the salary in full according to salary))))
            1. 0
              14 August 2019 11: 52
              These are official holidays and are taken into account in the budgets of organizations.
              If you work 4 days a week for 8 hours, then the salary will be less, and if for 10 hours, then the same as for the 5 day work week.
              There are no miracles ...
              1. 0
                14 August 2019 11: 53
                I'm not talking about 4 days a week, I say that official holidays do not affect the salary
                1. +1
                  14 August 2019 12: 00
                  And I'm talking about the fact that the 4 day work week is a kind of scheme, a hoax.
                  What is all this for?
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2019 12: 02
                    yes, no one is going to introduce it, this is another "smartest" idea from the deputies, no one is going to implement it
                    1. +1
                      14 August 2019 12: 12
                      I doubt they have been cracking about this for almost half a year.
                      By the way, stuffing all sorts of stupid initiatives is a kind of public opinion poll. Throw and monitor the reaction in social networks.
                      By and large, we are just taking part in this process.
                      (don't even doubt it)
        2. 0
          14 August 2019 18: 03
          So that you live on one salary laughing
          1. 0
            15 August 2019 07: 14
            unfortunately and live
  8. +13
    13 August 2019 15: 06
    And what about overproduction today? Industrial and agricultural nishtyakov have nowhere to go and the whole people in their luxurious mansions do not know where to push what they earned? Maybe robots plow everywhere ?! The government is completely bald!
  9. +25
    13 August 2019 15: 08
    Let migrants be expelled from the country!
    1. +9
      13 August 2019 15: 51
      What are you letting yourself say?
      This is our reality.
  10. +11
    13 August 2019 15: 10
    But I have an hourly salary, and I’m directly interested in more working hours. Four working days? And I don’t need it? I don’t need it at all! (Why now on the site? I broke out for lunch.)
  11. 0
    13 August 2019 15: 12
    It is necessary to bring complete news. A 4-day week is offered at a 10-hour working day.
  12. +11
    13 August 2019 15: 12
    What kind of "bullshit" about a 4-day work day? Do people have nothing to do after 4 working days? Then what cue did you decide to increase the retirement age (?), Why was the "wide avenue" in front of the "gaster" opened? Think about it! There is no point in increasing the retirement age, "inviting" migrants, if now (!) The 5th working day is "extra! Leave the 5-day day And there will be no need for" gaster ", there is no need to increase the retirement age! But no! day for some reason needed! Nonsense!
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    2. +11
      13 August 2019 16: 12
      migrant workers are needed as classic breakbreakers in order to prevent the bulk of the population from fighting for their working conditions. I don’t know about you, but even I feel the pressure of a mass of migrants in highly professional work.
      moreover, migrants from abroad and migrants from poorer regions are also used.
      1. +4
        14 August 2019 02: 02
        I agree! The media "controlled" by the regime are silent about this, but I managed to read an article by an economist in which he convincingly argued that Russia does not really need such a number of migrants! That it is beneficial only to businessmen - "temporary workers" who have a "plan": to grab more and faster, and "fade" from Russia! Even as a schoolboy, I read about "automatic factories", where 5 people go to shift, in one region they bought a German road car, which replaced 30 (!) "Gaster"! But I have never heard more about such "acquisitions"! On construction, in order to dig a pit, a "businessman", instead of purchasing 1-2 excavators and a "crew" of qualified machine operators, "prefers" to hire a "bunch" of migrants with crowbars and hoes!
        And the reasons are clear! Excavators cost a lot ... they'll also have to be sold if you're going to "grab and slip away quickly"! Highly skilled machine operators have to be paid high wages, and even then they will not allow themselves to be handled. as with serfs ... in case of inflation, they may demand a raise in wages! That is why "businessmen-temporary workers" prefer "gaster"! "Thanks to" migrants, Russian citizens cannot count on a decent salary. The invasion of migrants slows down the country's technical development and leads to technological regression!
  13. +3
    13 August 2019 15: 13
    And here in Uzbekistan, as a rule, in private small and not so small enterprises, 9-10-11 hour working days + six days, and for "amateurs" also seven days. I know not by hearsay. Qualified specialists of blue-collar occupations are in great deficit, they keep those who are over 60 years old, just work, do not leave.
  14. +13
    13 August 2019 15: 16
    Praaal decision! Life has become better! Everyone has cars, there aren’t enough parking lots! But there are sausages, how many sausages! There is only one import from equipment to clothes in stores, and earlier it was only for the elite and in Birch trees for import, and now everybody can import in import .. And how old is the population of retirement age with only 67! These are some unprecedented achievements in the national economy and medicine! And now a four-day week! How culturally you can grow on yourself! Approved! laughing
    1. +3
      13 August 2019 15: 28
      Et yes! As from Friday evening, they begin to grow culturally so by Monday that the proletariat, that plankton and not know. Grew up, EPRST! laughing (And if from Thursday, so the liver will squeeze out through the mouth and ears out)
    2. +2
      13 August 2019 15: 47
      It’s already 120 hours that it can be recycled for 4 hours on railway, almost everyone has been cut off, even in the shunting movement it turns out to work three shifts every month because there aren’t enough people, and holes need to be plugged. The processing surcharge is compensated by the loss of the premium for a month. XNUMX day week leads to a decrease in hours will raise the processing rate by half? stop
      1. +1
        13 August 2019 15: 57
        And the clerks go out for almost thanks, or you won’t even get it ...
        1. +4
          13 August 2019 18: 10
          the office swelled almost to the limit, well, it seems to me so stop
          1. +1
            16 August 2019 19: 11
            I also thought so when I ran in the park. And now I understand that this problem comes from the top. For one person in an office, let's say a depot, there are several kites: the head of this depot, his deputies, related departments, and then from the service, directorate, auditing apparatus, security department. As well as periodic inspections of chiefs, etc. And everyone needs everything "yesterday". Such is nonsense request
      2. +4
        13 August 2019 16: 30
        prapor55 Our so-called fish-canning factory and its vegetable products workshop have long been at 3 days and 4 days ... lack of products ... With a poor totalitarian regime in the summer, 3-4 shifts worked in the summer ..
        1. +1
          13 August 2019 18: 14
          In poor mode, 3 shifts worked, but then there was work, and now just Sabotage is purely my opinion about the current policy of Russian Railways. am And personally to you Andrew hi
    3. 0
      13 August 2019 19: 43
      Quote: parusnik
      How culturally you can grow on yourself! Approved!

      Or stretch your legs while working 10 hours a day. Hours of production per week, no one will reduce. As it was, 40 will remain so.
  15. +15
    13 August 2019 15: 20
    All the latest initiatives of our government are baffled .. either I or the skis do not go.
    1. +7
      13 August 2019 15: 26
      All (initiatives) of (our) government proceed from considerations of caressing oneself to loved ones.
  16. +3
    13 August 2019 15: 23
    ,,, it happened in 1929, the work week became five-day - four working days and one day off. All the workers were divided into five groups, the days off of which were highlighted on the calendar in a separate color. feel
    1. 0
      13 August 2019 16: 01
      ,,, it happened in 1929, the working week became five-day - four working days and one day off. All the workers were divided into five groups, the days off of which were highlighted on the calendar in a separate color. feel

      The slogan is from a concentration camp ...
  17. +2
    13 August 2019 15: 35
    In my opinion, everything goes to the fact that there will be more "loafers" who will have nothing to do (because there is nothing). Only crime will increase and no more (there will be ZERO benefits).
  18. +4
    13 August 2019 15: 35
    The compote did not succeed in promoting this initiative, so they decided to put pressure on the unions so that they now come up with this idea. Although it was the trade unions who opposed categorically after saying compote !!!! What was they promised there or what they threatened ??? Reptiles. This is really genocide !!! No one will pay the same salary for a smaller number of working days and hours !!!! It seems to me that the victims of the exam have reached the unions
  19. +7
    13 August 2019 15: 38
    “... But if all of a sudden stories about absolutely happy Russians (including the elderly), who enthusiastically talk about the salary saved by the employer while reducing the weekly workload on the initiative of the employer himself, will often flicker on the central channels, then ...” - then know - you were raped again, and in the best traditions of the democratic Kama Sutra.
  20. +3
    13 August 2019 15: 38
    Delirium of course enchanting! fellow
  21. +6
    13 August 2019 15: 44
    "Persistent talk about a 4-day working week in Russia", the duration of work per week in the legislation is indicated not in days, but in hours ... 40 hours a week or 5 to 8, therefore the conversation should go about a 32-hour working week or 6 hours 24 minutes for 5 days, all that is over at an increased rate. Questions about the work of medical institutions and education are being asked correctly. One thing is clear that the officials toil with idleness, they do not want to lay off, but they want the same, or even more money for less time of work.
  22. -2
    13 August 2019 15: 55
    Quote: bubalik
    in agriculture there are no days off at all. Burenka, etc. every day I want to eat and milk.

    but you don’t need to travel by public transport for 2 hours and as much from there
    and it doesn’t take 8 hours for a standard office working day.
    so many people in a big city spend more than 60 hours a week on work. and someone also earns money. I lived in a village and saw only 2 weeks in haymaking so that the locals would plow like that.
  23. +4
    13 August 2019 16: 03
    Quote: Strashila
    Correctly asked questions about the work of medical institutions and education. One thing is clear to officials: they are idle, they don’t want to cut back, but they want the same or even big money for less time.

    we save a lot on staff reserves. in the USSR, there were often strict standards for the maintenance of substitute people. And in medicine, for it to work properly, you need to attract significantly more people.
    But in addition, it is still worthwhile to separate the flows of patients. A grandmother who does not like pressure should not sit in line with an employee who has left work because of incapacity for work and should not sit in line with infectious or injured or children, or with those who only need to draw up documents or submit analyzes. We need a sane sort of applicants and ... how much I went to the therapist - he does not examine me, he writes something all the time. What kind of medicine is this? And the diagnosis gives the corresponding - in general, some kind of nonsense.
  24. 3vs
    +3
    13 August 2019 16: 04
    And this, apparently, is the next step after the pension "reform", Oleg Shein said how much
    young people to be taken away by people who must continue to work instead of retiring.
    It is logical that instead of one employee working five days a week, it will be necessary to hire two
    workers working for four days.
    But they will receive, respectively, less, which of normal businessmen will pay a person tighter
    the salary that he receives in five working days, in four days ?!
    Accordingly, people will receive less, and spend over the weekend three days instead of two, more.

    By this, with millions of salaries, "You keep here, you all the best, good mood and health."
  25. +9
    13 August 2019 16: 16
    By the way, something for a long time on the federal channels there were no stories about 80-year-old ladies and gentlemen who do not want to retire,

    In AiF, they constantly write about vigorous cheerful pensioners .. Annoyingly terribly.
    A reduction in working days will not lead to anything good .. Again, something is muddied.
    Something Putin has sold in earnest .. And so life is not sugar. Most certainly will not survive until retirement, and then they will cut back their pension too. When will you officials in Moscow get enough money? Though liberalpmi come out to protests ..
    1. +1
      13 August 2019 20: 11
      It is useless to protest against liberals with liberals to prepare people for the struggle for communism
  26. +2
    13 August 2019 16: 16
    Quote: parusnik
    Everyone has cars, there are not enough parking lots!

    a very large proportion of used old cars.
    in addition, even this fleet more than a third is bought on credit, and more than half buy new cars on credit. And where is the rich population?
    Moreover, for me a car is a necessity. By car, 25 minutes to work, 2 hours by public transport. The car saves me every day 3 hours of personal time, but it costs 2 times more than transport.
    1. +1
      14 August 2019 11: 25
      Yes, these cars and other goodies, as some cheers patriots consider, like a handout, like a carrot. And loans are real slavery.
  27. +1
    13 August 2019 16: 17
    Plus for the economy, only one will be Stolen in 4 Days Less !!!!
    1. AUL
      +4
      13 August 2019 17: 09
      Yes, no, in this field they plow seven days a week!
  28. +4
    13 August 2019 16: 24
    In short, as I understand it, it became too tiring for Duma deputies and senators to sit out their pants 5 days a week under the arches of the State Duma and the Federation Council. For such "scanty salaries" 4 days will be just right.
  29. 0
    13 August 2019 16: 41
    It seems that some kind of forces inside the country are specially throwing through the media such provocative and unrealistic ideas that there would be just any reason for the booze among the people ....
    1. 0
      13 August 2019 23: 35
      that some forces inside the country are specially thrown through the media

      1. Some forces - DAM first voiced this idea.
      2. Specially throw in - not throw in, but reduce the population of Russia. Up to 15 million to maintain and maintain the "pipe".
  30. +2
    13 August 2019 16: 53
    In Soviet times, not 7 times, but 107 times measured before cutting. And now defective managers are cutting, using their irresponsibility and impunity. And then the people are blown away.
  31. 0
    13 August 2019 16: 54
    The French have a working week of 35 hours with a vacation of 5 weeks.
    If the working week is 40 hours, then plus 2 weeks to leave and.
    And they are unhappy, still on strike
  32. +1
    13 August 2019 17: 35
    highly productive labor in individual countries, industries and enterprises

    We do not belong to these countries, but rather the opposite - somewhere at the end of the train. In most areas, we have the lowest labor efficiency. So many unnecessary papers are drawn up so that enough for a whole working day without the use of a pancake production.
    Good article, right questions.
    I hope Dimon to get hangover and forget this heresy that has entered his head - he will continue to broadcast about IT / NANO technologies. drinks
  33. +1
    13 August 2019 17: 47
    ... some kind of sophisticated dirty trick. Probably the 5th day we will work on the terms of guest workers (semi-legally). The lawyers have probably already drawn up a Jesuit "add. Agreement" to a regular contract.
  34. +1
    13 August 2019 18: 04
    Window dressing. Normalized working day is not able to provide. Practically all private owners have a working day NORMAL!
  35. +1
    13 August 2019 18: 08
    Churchill's appeal to the nation is known when he took the post of Prime Minister of Great Britain before WW2: "I promise you nothing but sweat and tears."
    Need to work! There is no other way to work, to be useful here. What does 4 business days mean? Does this mean that the key sectors of the economy, important for the super-profits of our nouveau riche, are already sufficiently digitalized and automated in order not to depend critically on mass labor? Maybe. But such a step as the announcement of a 4-day working week rather suggests that the wonderful life of our rulers does not depend on the results of our labor - the masses are sufficiently disconnected from the sources of real money. The money has gone somewhere. The masses can be picked 5 days a week, maybe 4 or 6 - the elite doesn't care. Its profits flow where it is necessary, "and at the end where it should flow." Money is not earned even at Roscosmos enterprises - they remain in holdings and corporations, from impoverished (or economical - as you like) factories they went to banks and offices in kilobytes and badges on paper. The digital economy, on the development of which we spend billions annually.
    We’ll have to look for a half-rate job still.
  36. 0
    13 August 2019 18: 09
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: MoJloT
    and I put a bolt on the court

    Comment worthy of a citizen and patriot of Russia! fellow
    Once again, I am convinced of the urgent need for the appearance of sensible trade unions in Russia, Schaub's feet have dried up for you like them. Yes

    At one time in the West, they supported the trade unions as a "bone" for the people, so as not to look back at the successes of the Russian proletarians, who successfully nationalized
    Quote: 16112014nk
    In Soviet times, not 7 times, but 107 times measured before cutting. And now defective managers are cutting, using their irresponsibility and impunity. And then the people are blown away.

    Well, people like to puff off, if a quarter of a century votes for it laughing
    1. +2
      13 August 2019 19: 29
      Quote: Doliva63
      Well, people like to puff off, if a quarter of a century votes for it

      Do you really believe in that clownery called "elections"? I don’t believe since those elections when EBN danced on stage. This was the first election after my majority, and I was even glad then that I was on a steamer away from the nearest section.
  37. 0
    13 August 2019 18: 31
    I think that they will not introduce a four-day week, due to the movement that is increasingly growing in protest. There will be more protesters. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard will have no days off at all.
  38. 0
    13 August 2019 18: 55
    Okay, 4 days a week is a great idea.
    Less the change in the labor code, the reduction of vacation time, the abolition of benefits at 40 hour week during processing, the abolition of overtime, etc. etc. Ultimately, the shortage of seniority (points) and the minimum pension.
  39. ZVS
    +2
    13 August 2019 18: 56
    The impression that Putin, Medvedev and Shmakov live in different countries is becoming more and more stable. Putin is talking about increasing GDP, Medvedev is talking about increasing labor productivity, and Shmakov is not hearing anyone at all - neither the country's leadership, nor the people. How can you increase GDP by working less? And to what extent can labor productivity be increased if workers already work on the verge of physical capabilities? do these three celestials have a clue about this? Well, what about Shmakov ... I don’t understand what he is doing, if it is decreasing every year, the number of work collectives that have trade unions in the enterprise? And all these three leaders cannot meet and agree on a single economic line in the state!
  40. 0
    13 August 2019 19: 00
    But I support the transition to 4 working days a week, more time to go fishing, to nature, to get involved in sports, to read books, generally spend on my beloved and my family, Stalin once planned a 4-day working week and 6 - a one-hour working day, you won’t earn all the money, and whoever wants to be in papa carlo mode or as gastro-workers go to the private trader for 6 and 7 working days a week and live work ...
  41. 0
    13 August 2019 19: 10
    possible transition to a 4-day work week in Russiaand can be associated with “high-productivity labor in selected countries, industries and enterprises ”
    .
    What is the relationship of individual countries to Russia.
    that the countries in the top ten world leaders in shortest working weeksimultaneously possess high rates in socio-economic sphere.
    From the beginning, high indicators in the socio-economic sphere, then you can shorten the work week. We need to work, there is no economy ... Only idiotic initiatives in the minds of officials.
  42. +2
    13 August 2019 19: 10
    There is a proposal to the government to make a three-day work week, or even less. Maybe then the amount of nonsense per unit of time they will be reduced.
  43. +2
    13 August 2019 19: 18
    Which countries have switched to 4-day, does anyone know? Maybe the USA is the measure of all measures?
    Calling circles on the water - should be documented and provided with budgetary funds. It’s like with constant proposals to move the hands of the clock back, or some other voiced initiatives of our initiative.
  44. 0
    13 August 2019 19: 24
    There is an assumption that with the introduction of this norm, the salary in labor contracts will be prescribed not monthly, but hourly, as in America. Then it will just be possible to drive more people to do the same work. This will lead to a decrease in unemployment, in the form in which it is considered statistics, to a decrease in the paid unemployment benefits, to an increase in the income of the MHIF. Solid benefits for the state, no change for employers and 20% reduction in salaries for workers.
    1. 0
      13 August 2019 21: 32
      Many of the people who are not parents with many children and (or) who do not have dependent or elderly relatives may perhaps agree to a 20% reduction in earnings over a four-day period. And some in one or two of these three days would be engaged in an informal part-time job.
  45. +1
    13 August 2019 20: 16
    Oh yes, calm down comrades, citizens, they told you in some industries and spheres and the sphere will be one state administration!
  46. 0
    13 August 2019 20: 47
    And we do not mind. Now we work on Saturdays for double payment, and we will receive double for Friday.
  47. +1
    13 August 2019 20: 53
    Well, well. I have been working for 5 days, but they haven’t been paid for 4 months already. And I don’t care ... and to trade unions and the prosecutor.
    1. 0
      14 August 2019 12: 15
      So did you turn to unions? All legal methods have been tried. They solve a lot of such cases in favor of workers.
      1. -1
        17 August 2019 18: 12
        Well, the prosecutor came during the week on the complaint of workers, and what? They gave a salary for April and again silence. Now who should I go to with a petition? to the "king"? he is so far away.
  48. +2
    13 August 2019 20: 54
    Dear author, why are you asking us about this, and not D. A. himself? After all, you are personally acquainted with him, and if so then approach him and say:
    - Dmitry Anatolyevich, answer one question, what do you think?
    1. +2
      14 August 2019 08: 19
      Quote: Astra wild
      Dear author, why are you asking us about this, and not D. A. himself? After all, you personally know him

      Hmm ... And I didn’t know that I was "personally acquainted" with D.A.M ... Thank you for enlightening, I will know)))
  49. +2
    13 August 2019 21: 06
    Quote: Infinity
    then why did you have to raise the retirement age

    IT'S IRONY? To not pay a pension!
    And about 4 days it is not clear, 40 hours a week will need to work out?
    now, 5 days x 8 hours = 40 hours, 4 days x 10 hours = 40 hours or offer 4 days x 8 hours = 32 hours a week.
    And with the cost of man-hours it is not clear, we do not have at the legislative level, as in the USA, a minimum rate per hour.
    Therefore, the one who works on an hourly pay transaction is more likely to lose, and the one who works on the salary-bonus system doesn’t care that he works 32/40/45 hours a week, he gets his salary, and the bonus is from hours does not depend. Each employee individually needs to understand how convenient it is: for someone 4 days, if he lives next to work, and someone 5 days, if you have to get to work for several hours (as an example)
  50. +1
    13 August 2019 21: 09
    on the one hand, you don’t have time to do all the work in a day and stay for an hour ... on the other hand, when you leave your house at 8 in the morning, he is completely parked ... these people sleep, they don’t go anywhere ... what are they doing ... or the whole society is divided into employees and traders ... and no one is woken up by a change to a factory ... all the factories in China ... our aliexpress is everything
  51. 0
    13 August 2019 21: 43
    This is all just another nonsense.
    They want optimal working conditions and improved production by changing the work week, let them do a 5-hour working day, then there will be additional jobs for people, the workload per person is less, fatigue is less, and the quality of work is higher.
    In general, they are trying to push through another stupidity in order to harm Russia.
  52. Hog
    +1
    14 August 2019 00: 32
    What nonsense is in the comments, the hourly rate will remain tighter (it will be not an 8-hour day, but a 10-hour day).
    1. +2
      14 August 2019 06: 26
      And productivity is less. Although okay, this will affect doctors, teachers, the government, compulsory medical insurance, the Federal Migration Service and all that, but private business, as it worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, will continue to work
    2. 0
      14 August 2019 18: 11
      I can imagine the queues at clinics. It will probably be impossible to sign up through government services. And so in a month you catch a doctor
  53. +3
    14 August 2019 02: 01
    the government and deputies will work for 4 days. And we will all work “by agreement with the employer” and “at our own request” for 7 days. No 6, on Sunday - you need to go to church, where the priest will explain what is written: “be patient.”
    1. +1
      14 August 2019 08: 54
      No, we will work 4 after 4, for one salary for two, as in 7 days, and the employer will keep the eighth for himself, because they all shout: if you don’t like it, you’re free, you’re out of the gate, and so on
  54. +2
    14 August 2019 06: 21
    I think let them work for 4 days, but only when I need their service, because this will only affect civil servants. And the builders both built and will continue to build, private business tried to earn pennies around the clock, and will continue to earn pennies around the clock
  55. +1
    14 August 2019 06: 37
    All members of the Russian government were born on Monday on the island of Bad luck.
  56. 0
    14 August 2019 06: 52
    From the point of view of a simple worker, everything is great. But if you dig deeper, it is written about medicine and education, if the work is in shifts, then the number of shifts is adjusted to a 40-hour week. It turns out that we need to add a new shift (and at enterprises this can be several thousand people).
    From the employer's point of view, it's a total nightmare. profits will decrease by 20%, and salaries, judging by the statements of the supreme rulers, will have to be paid the same amount.
  57. 0
    14 August 2019 08: 11
    Fear the Dorians who bring gifts. At first it was so sweet for the Indians and their children to cover themselves with smallpox blankets. And they gave them as gifts: with a smile and with wishes for all prosperity and always longevity. Almost like Bear in Crimea.
  58. +3
    14 August 2019 08: 23
    If the parasite affectionately and persistently offers new benefits to the “master” paralyzed by it, it means that it wants to eat even more fat. But if this owner dies, it doesn’t matter, the parasite will replace him with a new one, come up with another convenient religion for him to match the moment, and you can continue no less satisfyingly "Are they bringing in migrants in vain? We need to somehow replenish the waste material."
    1. +2
      14 August 2019 10: 07
      Migrants come on their own, which means there are places where living conditions are worse than ours.
      1. +4
        14 August 2019 11: 21
        Why on earth should Russians share their living conditions with an alien hostile mass?
        1. +2
          14 August 2019 15: 02
          And who says that it should be just like that? There must be a work visa; in many countries it is given subject to a number of conditions. For example, a certificate of confirmation of qualifications, language knowledge at a minimum level, a certificate that you are healthy, an invitation from an employer. The employer must pay tax for such an employee. Then, if everything is observed, then let them work.
  59. +2
    14 August 2019 08: 51
    All this rigmarole with a 4-day work week. started for the sake of only one thing. to increase the number of jobs with a reduction in wages and an increase in working hours. In fact, there will be a work schedule of 4 through 4, that is, for 1 workplace there will be two employees but for a salary for 1. Our bourgeoisie will advocate for this with great joy. Well, the hard worker will simply look for another job for 4 days (weekends) so as not to die. So the question is: if a hard worker works two jobs, will he still have days off? But Rosstat will say that our unemployment has decreased... Naturally, we will not take Moscowabad into account - they live in a separate state from the rest of the Russian Federation
  60. +3
    14 August 2019 08: 54
    They propose to increase the slave. day until 10 o'clock at the same time. But working 10 hours a day is very difficult (unless, of course, you drink tea all day at work). I have constant intense mental work from morning to evening, in 8 hours I am squeezed like lemon. If you work 10 hours, it will be harmful to your health, even despite 3 days off. It would be better to leave it as is, but after 50 years they made a 7-hour working day, and after 60 - a 6-hour day, because... With age it becomes harder and harder to work.
  61. +2
    14 August 2019 09: 50
    and I’ve had a 13-day work week for almost two years now, it’s good that they pay at least 1,5 times the rate, but the base salary is 11240 rubles, that’s enough for me, but you can’t fool your body,,,
  62. +2
    14 August 2019 09: 54
    If in a place with a four-day working week, they introduce a minimum wage equal to four subsistence levels and set the minimum wage per hour of work, as in all developed countries, and not per month. Then people will be happy. But we all understand that this will not happen, this is a simple betrayal of power, leading to a deterioration in the quality of life.
  63. +1
    14 August 2019 11: 41
    Quote: Palomnik
    In AiF, they constantly write about vigorous cheerful pensioners .. Annoyingly terribly.

    I go to work and see the same picture. A cheerful grandfather walks his 2 granddaughters on bikes every morning. An idealistic picture... but he’s big and he brings his granddaughters to the park in his brand new Volva, which I couldn’t save up for in 20 years of work.
    There is simply a difference between the well-being of pensioners who do not work and do not experience any everyday problems and pensioners who starved in the 90s and then received a salary just so as not to die.
    Can you name many pensioners who can buy cars for one and a half million without working?
  64. +2
    14 August 2019 11: 44
    Quote: Varyag71
    Yes, these cars and other goodies, as some cheers patriots consider, like a handout, like a carrot. And loans are real slavery.

    It’s worth remembering that in the USSR apartments were provided for free.
    And now even a shabby apartment from those years costs more than a fancy car.
  65. +1
    14 August 2019 12: 34
    Associate Professor of the Department of Management at the Institute of Business and Business Administration of RANEPA Yuri Stasenkov considers Medvedev’s current idea to be political deceit.

    “This is how they try to hide the unemployment that exists in Russia.” Definitely. Besides, look at the composition of our government. The same Medvedev is not a manager, he has never managed anything serious.

    There is no one in his government who is a management professional. Their proposals are imitation activities. This is an attempt by them to compensate for Putin’s failed promise to create 25 million additional jobs. Which will never be created in Russia under this government.

    The work week will be shortened, including among pre-retirees. And they will say: you see, there is no economic growth, but there is no decline either. And there will be growth in the future. This is deceit.

    “SP”: — But both the authorities and the trade unions appeal to European experience and the availability of modern technologies that make it possible to actually replace labor. How justified is this?

    — Over the past 25 years, 78 thousand enterprises have been destroyed in Russia. Who will develop these new technologies for us? There is no basis for this.

    The same automation and modernization require modern equipment. And we have nothing. The same vaunted defense industry, its vaunted samples and then... An example is an explosion in the North during testing of a rocket engine.

    These are all the proposals of pure theorists in the government and in the FNPR to imitate vigorous activity.
  66. +2
    14 August 2019 17: 14
    Given our economic situation, we need to work 6 days a week for 12 hours, introduce execution for parasitism, and send all the pants wipers in offices to build roads, mines and factories. And they started talking about reductions... Excuse me, but why did they raise the retirement age? Since there is nothing to do in the country...
  67. 0
    14 August 2019 18: 07
    And not a single “Kremlinbot”) I would really like to hear their “competent” opinion. In general, it’s difficult to look at all this even through rose-colored glasses.
  68. 0
    14 August 2019 20: 56
    I can’t understand what kind of four-day day we are talking about, if literally today I left work at eighteen o’clock. True, this hour, as I understand it, will count towards enthusiasm. And so, on Monday they worked without lunch, and went out on Saturday. How will these hours be paid for? Big question.
    Moreover, they didn’t go out to smoke on a bench... hi
  69. 0
    14 August 2019 22: 35
    Tyyuyuyu. Or maybe, for starters, force businessmen to comply with the Labor Code to the last letter?! Increase the minimum wage to 30 thousand? It is even possible to introduce a partial conversion of the ruble so that the rich people do not flee abroad. We have offices in Voronezh where they work 240 hours a month for 25.000 rubles, this is a disgrace!
  70. 0
    14 August 2019 22: 36
    They want to replace people with robots so as not to worry about us, don’t forget, we are all in the matrix))))))))
  71. +1
    15 August 2019 09: 50
    Provocateurs from the trade unions voiced the proposed measures of the authorities for the massive impoverishment of the people, especially since Medvedev immediately and with a smile supported this. Moreover, she is not embarrassed to once again demonstrate his complete lack of any mental abilities (is this really the main quality Putin holds him for). The expectation that the problem of survival will distract the people from the problem of choosing power will not happen like in the 90s.
  72. 0
    18 August 2019 17: 57
    Quote: rzzz
    Quote: Doliva63
    Well, people like to puff off, if a quarter of a century votes for it

    Do you really believe in that clownery called "elections"? I don’t believe since those elections when EBN danced on stage. This was the first election after my majority, and I was even glad then that I was on a steamer away from the nearest section.

    You see, I worked on elections from 95 to 09. During that period, I knew all the ins and outs of each campaign. He worked, among other things, for Unity and United Russia. There were throw-ins, yes. Up to 600 votes per precinct, but selectively, which played a role, for example, in city elections. But already in regional elections it is a drop in the bucket and does not affect the outcome. At the federal level, even more so. All sorts of carousels, bribery, transportation - also a drop in the bucket. My job was to add a certain calculated number of votes to the stable voters; the rest is done by the people themselves. Either under the influence of the media, or due to conviction, or due to stupidity. I'm betting on the latter.
  73. N
    0
    13 September 2019 10: 21
    Who came up with this? Why - it’s clear! It will only harm the country's economy. People will also be worse off in all respects. So who benefits from this?
    Further destruction.