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The authorities themselves gathered the most massive protest in Moscow since the time of the Swamp

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Last Saturday, about 50 of thousands of protesters against the non-admission of candidates to the elections gathered on Sakharov Avenue. This is the most massive protest in Russia since the opposition’s protests on Bolotnaya Square. How can one explain such political activity in Moscow at a not very politically active time, which is considered summer - the holiday season?




The protest rally was attended not only by representatives of the most liberal strata of the population, but also by those who can be called relatively neutral in political terms. A distinctive action of this protest is the large number of “idols” of modern youth, including Oxxxymiron, Faith and others.

One of the slogans gathered: the resignation of Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin. He was accused of creating artificial barriers to the so-called "independent candidates."

The expert, making an attempt to analyze the situation, compares it with the Ukrainian events of the 2013-2014 years when people came to the Maidan, not because they sympathized with Yatsenyuk and Tyagniboku with Poroshenko, but because they expected changes, and they don’t have any other forces of change in the country promised. A separate topic is what the changes in Ukraine led to.

Story author:

Everything today is arranged so that if you want to protest, now there is a direct road to Navalny and Co., because there simply is no one else. The Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, A Just Russia are similar in their properties to the slurred Communist Party of Ukraine and, moreover, they tend to become the periphery of the movement of the name of Navalny. Therefore, people go to Sakharov and Bolotnaya even for the most insignificant reasons - energy requires action.

The author of the video believes that the power itself built this design, moreover, consciously. It is noted that Navalny and Co. act as provocateurs, allowing monitoring of the processes among the masses of protesters. But at the end of the 80, the so-called perestroika leaders were in the KGB file cabinets, but this same KGB did not help prevent the collapse of the country.

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 12 August 2019 14: 59
    +19
    It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...
    1. Vend
      Vend 12 August 2019 15: 08
      -3
      Quote: Svarog
      It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...

      Yes, all nonsense. Who was going to the concert, who just decided to hang out, and there were some provocateurs, etc. laughing
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        1. g1v2
          g1v2 12 August 2019 15: 32
          -5
          It was necessary to grab the commentator. And of course, the fighter did the wrong thing. It is necessary to twist in place and put plastic ties on the hands on the back. With her arms broken back, she wouldn’t cough out much. And so I made a picture for the media. It is clear that emotions and fatigue - on your day off, screw any shusher. But this is not necessary. request
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 45
            +26
            Quote: g1v2
            But this is not necessary.

            The point is probably not how it is necessary and not necessary, but how lawful and not legal. We generally ceased to pay attention to laws .. the rally was authorized, the girl was unarmed, which means it is not necessary? I understand that a man would be .. or maybe she just walked by, and with her boot in her stomach .. Personnel for mental deviations need to be checked in the Russian Guard ..
            1. mkop
              mkop 12 August 2019 16: 23
              +14
              And why did they take her? Just? Why has no one shown this? You can link not just about how she was embedded, but from the very beginning. I look at the cameras there enough to capture everything from the beginning and put it out. Or not at first?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 24
                +22
                Quote: mkop
                And why did they take her? Just?

                In fact, for whatever they took, you could do without kicks in the stomach, a bunch of men and so twisted ..
                1. mkop
                  mkop 12 August 2019 16: 32
                  -8
                  Exactly possible? Have you checked what is possible?
                  When detained in other countries, much "more civilized" than Russia, this lady, even for such resistance, could not only be punched properly with her hand, but also with a club, which this comrade tried to lift from the ground. Why did she make this mysterious movement with her foot, trying to "pull" the club to the side, when the man was already reaching for it? More like an attempt at provocation, and an attempt to make a picture for the media.
                  1. ssergey1978
                    ssergey1978 13 August 2019 05: 47
                    +5
                    I wish you that when you decide to protest, they also kicked you in the belly.
                    1. Shuttle
                      Shuttle 13 August 2019 06: 49
                      +9
                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      I wish you that when you decide to protest, they also kicked you in the belly.

                      Karma is elastic. Boomerang may well.
                    2. mkop
                      mkop 13 August 2019 09: 14
                      +21
                      Now, if I resist like her, please. This is the time.
                      I do not go to such meetings of the mentally retarded. These are two. Because they have no goal. There are only screams we are in power here, and down with the president. Further in their heads is emptiness and darkness. In especially neglected cases, the overthrow of the president and the current government is compared with a fabulous life in the future (but examples in Ukraine, Georgia and other countries hint - in fact, no, it will only get worse). Has anyone from today's opposition announced at least some steps to improve the situation? In addition to popular phrases such as: "Raise pensions", "Raise salaries", "Reduce the price of gasoline", "Lower utility bills" - because these are not steps towards improvement, but requirements (there is no implementation program). What should be done in the opinion of the opposition to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don't hear this from them, that's why I don't go to any meetings. Name real examples of steps that the opposition is leading, if you can.
                      1. Shuttle
                        Shuttle 13 August 2019 10: 23
                        +17
                        Quote: mkop
                        Now, if I resist like her, please. This is the time.
                        I do not go to such meetings of the mentally retarded. These are two. Because they have no goal. There are only screams we are in power here, and down with the president. Further in their heads is emptiness and darkness. In especially neglected cases, the overthrow of the president and the current government is compared with a fabulous life in the future (but examples in Ukraine, Georgia and other countries hint - in fact, no, it will only get worse). Has anyone from today's opposition announced at least some steps to improve the situation? In addition to popular phrases such as: "Raise pensions", "Raise salaries", "Reduce the price of gasoline", "Lower utility bills" - because these are not steps towards improvement, but requirements (there is no implementation program). What should be done in the opinion of the opposition to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don't hear this from them, that's why I don't go to any meetings. Name real examples of steps that the opposition is leading, if you can.

                        I totally agree. The gentlemen are not interested in either Marx, or Hegel, or Kant, or Aristotle, or even just common sense. They do not have a positive program of action. Natural anarchists with the level of social development of five-year-old children.
                        It seems that Yakov Kedmi (I could be wrong) recently correctly characterized the youngsters who wandered around the very rallies as individuals who have the biggest problem in life is milk froth in morning coffee.
                      2. Jager
                        Jager 13 August 2019 13: 47
                        +2
                        And therefore, do not hear that you know the First Channel yourself which party is under ...
                      3. mkop
                        mkop 13 August 2019 15: 04
                        +12
                        I already wrote: can I link to a video with development programs? Can I have at least some information other than the allegations that the program is? Let me read it with pleasure. Where is it all?
                        Let me give you some examples. We’ll go to Navalny’s website and start reading his program, see:
                        The minimum wage should be increased to 25 thousand rubles.

                        Just issue a decree. Is that all? Then employers simply push workers there will be nothing to pay. Where it leads? To wild unemployment? Why not up to 50 tr then raise?
                        Decisions on the pace of raising the minimum wage will be made by regional authorities.

                        Are you seriously? And if the regional authorities want to stretch it for 30 years? What then?
                        Improving labor market regulation, contributing to the exit of wages from the gray zone and a reduction in informal employment.

                        How was he going to do this? It is not clear.
                        It is necessary to reduce budget expenditures for the sections “national security and law enforcement”, redistributing these funds in favor of the sections “healthcare” and “education”. Investing in human capital is a key condition for the competitiveness of the national economy in the post-industrial era.

                        Where will you live then, if the NATO boot will march across your country? How in the conditions of the modern world to maintain the integrity of Russia without an army and law enforcement agencies, if arms are being built around at some enchanting pace?
                        It is necessary to build an independent, open and effective system of budget audit at the federal, regional and municipal levels, to ensure complete transparency of budget expenditures online, so that every citizen can find out in a few clicks how much budget has been spent on building a playground in his yard. Build an automated system for monitoring public procurement contracts.

                        What are you going to do for this? This is your program, but it looks like populist slogans.
                        recognition of EU and US certificates in Russia (repealing mandatory certification according to Russian standards). One of the mechanisms in this area is a gradual transition to European regulatory and certification standards.

                        This is generally just some kind of idiocy. What is this for? I see one goal of this process - to simplify the arrival of Western business in our market, the result of such a visit will not be competition, but simply the death of Russian production for good. Because, to create competition, you must first raise your own, then let others in.

                        In general, everything is like that. The only result of the reforms that Navalny offers is the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state in principle, and the collapse of many separate regions.
                      4. Begemot
                        Begemot 13 August 2019 15: 32
                        +4
                        Do you seem to like everything in modern Russia?
                        I, too, will not accept them with their idol, and I did not go to rallies and will not go, but if the "enraged printer" does not stop and does not stop stamping anti-popular legislation, then those who do not even think about it now and
                        the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state
                        will happen not by the will of the revolutionaries, but in itself. I have already seen with my own eyes how this happens to the greatest powers.
                      5. mkop
                        mkop 13 August 2019 15: 45
                        +4
                        No, God forbid, I do not like everything in modern Russia. But do not you think that of the two evils you need to choose the least? So, in the rhetoric of modern opposition, I see MUCH more evil for Russia than what it is now. Much needs to be changed, but not revolutionary, but evolutionary; without destroying everything in the bud, and trying to build something new on the ruins of the past. You kind of went through it already. Why is there such a passion for destruction, even the fact that something else at least somehow works?
                        Where are these revolutions that led to the prosperity of states?
                      6. Cresta999
                        Cresta999 13 August 2019 18: 16
                        -2
                        In tsarist Russia.
                      7. 16329
                        16329 19 August 2019 12: 25
                        -1
                        Did this prosperity probably happen during the Civil War?
                      8. From Siberia we
                        From Siberia we 14 August 2019 07: 57
                        0
                        It’s been evolutionary for 20 years and the point is only worse and worse.
                        Quote: mkop
                        Where are these revolutions that led to the prosperity of states?

                        1917 years
                      9. Begemot
                        Begemot 14 August 2019 09: 25
                        +1
                        That’s the problem
                        Much needs to be changed, but not revolutionary but evolutionary
                        .
                        Independently, any power is unable to change for the better, all control activity - to take away, deprive, reduce, not let go, prohibit, not allow, if that is not to your liking - punish, but so that they don’t think that we are like prince-lemons, you can collect felling . Moreover, with such as EP (though the rest are not much better) no evolution to the positive is possible. Legislation of the last 20 years is a nightmare for sane people. To what insanity they reach in their initiatives is incomprehensible to the mind. At the same time, real problems are not solved for years and are not even considered until it is combed out already completely unbearably. Yes, I agree that the revolution is evil and if you don’t want upheavals (I don’t want to, listen, yes), suggest a way to direct the country towards comprehensive prosperity and development, and not just paradise for oligarchs and officials.
                      10. 16329
                        16329 19 August 2019 12: 29
                        0
                        Under any regime, someone lives better and someone worse, therefore, revolutions do not radically change anything, and any progressive evolutionary development improves the quality of life more efficiently than the revolution, which always brings benefits to someone, mainly geopolitical opponents
                      11. Alber
                        Alber 2 September 2019 23: 31
                        0
                        [quote = Begemot] Legislation of the past 20 years is a nightmare for sane people. To what insanity they reach in their initiatives is incomprehensible to the mind. At the same time, real problems are not solved for years and are not even considered until it is combed out already completely unbearably. Yes, I agree that the revolution is evil and if you don’t want upheavals (I don’t want to, listen, yes), suggest a way to direct the country towards comprehensive prosperity and development, and not just paradise for oligarchs and officials.
                        Reply
                        Who are these people in parliament? What are they doing there? What are their goals?
                      12. Ehanatone
                        Ehanatone 13 August 2019 15: 01
                        0
                        "What should be done in the opinion of the opposition to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don't hear that from them, that's why I don't go to any mitti."
                        Just screaming, it’s certainly useless, you need a mechanism to uphold these requirements, this time.
                        Nothing is required of the opposition to fulfill these requirements, it is a claim to the work of the authorities, while it is the power, the current opposition will become power, then they will begin to think and propose, these are two.
                        I don’t go to rallies either, but if someone does, the flag is in their hands, because how else to convey to our bull authorities that not everything is calm in Baghdad, and not everything is going according to plan, these are three.
                      13. mkop
                        mkop 13 August 2019 15: 17
                        +8
                        Well, you give it to my friend. You propose to elect into power a person who yells: "Down with power", who does not offer anything, who has no action plan at all ??! And he hopes that he will come to power and everything will be different, will they do and offer? No, I didn’t want to do that.
                      14. Dante Alighieri
                        Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 29
                        0
                        You propose to elect to power a person who yells: "Down with power", who does not offer anything, who has no action plan at all?

                        The current president did not have an electoral program at all, but nonetheless he was elected
                      15. From Siberia we
                        From Siberia we 14 August 2019 07: 59
                        +1
                        The Bolsheviks came with the slogan of the Socialist Revolutionaries - Land to the peasants, factories and factories. They also asked the program, and for sure it was only in general terms. As a result - a great country
                      16. 16329
                        16329 19 August 2019 12: 30
                        +1
                        And before the Bolsheviks there was a great country
                  2. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 39
                    -6
                    this lady, even for such resistance, could not only be punched with her hand as it should, but also with a club


                    It’s a pity that you weren’t stabbed with a club .. at least for such words ..
                    1. mkop
                      mkop 13 August 2019 09: 40
                      +8
                      So come and hit, why are you sitting? Do you at least understand the meaning of what I wrote, and see how they treat such in your so beloved "west", before pouring threats.
                      1. Romario_Argo
                        Romario_Argo 13 August 2019 10: 38
                        +5
                        So come and cut, why are you sitting then?

                        The State Duma creates a commission on parsing with interventions in the affairs of the Russian Federation
                        I like the idea (!)
                        I went to the rally - received 100 $ - and then lost the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
                        Lost work, retirement, medical care, kindergartens, schools, mortgages, loans.
                        All the same, they don’t like it all (!)
                      2. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 17
                        -3
                        True slave ..
                      3. Romario_Argo
                        Romario_Argo 15 August 2019 11: 43
                        0
                        True slave ..

                        like Putin, Medvedev, and slaves are according to Lavrov
                        * it is forbidden to express it in VO
                      4. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 51
                        -2
                        But what is there .. the same slave as the Lord God ..))

                        * I didn’t express myself, I only outlined the reality .. It’s even unpleasant for me that half of the country personally drive into slavery Putin and Medvedev, and in every possible way rejoice at it .. But this is not my fault ..
                        In the end, they are dressed, they are not allowed to die of hunger (until they reach retirement age) .. so they have every reason to be happy about the chosen path, and this is their right ..
                      5. Romario_Argo
                        Romario_Argo 15 August 2019 12: 01
                        +1
                        a slave from the word work, and someone serves - i.e. minister
                        rather than pretending to serve - i.e. minions
                        and if the liars with SVR - then who is it ...
                        fanatics -? then obviously not slaves, because this is beliefs and not a forced position
                        Your interpretation here does not fit anywhere.
                      6. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 August 2019 12: 15
                        -3
                        Thanks for the educational program ..
                        The new interpretation of slavery has gained a positive meaning .. Apparently, after that it becomes an honor to be a slave .. but it’s easier to live ..))
                      7. 16329
                        16329 19 August 2019 12: 32
                        0
                        What a commonplace
                      8. Shuttle
                        Shuttle 13 August 2019 10: 44
                        +6
                        And here, by the way, yes.



                        And here I ask you to pay special attention from the 40 second.

                        Someone else wants to "like in Europe"?
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                      11. Shuttle
                        Shuttle 14 August 2019 11: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: From Siberia we
                        The same there is a great desire that some thug so hit in the liver of your mother, wife, sister, daughter. From the soul.

                        Scrape any so-called liberal and (lo and behold!) you will find a fascist. The immutable law of nature.
                      12. Alexander I
                        Alexander I 13 August 2019 13: 54
                        +2
                        Tin, howl would stand to the moon
                      13. Spambox
                        Spambox 14 August 2019 08: 30
                        +1
                        Pay attention there the pogromists of arsonists and participants in the riots are dispersed, we have not seen mass riots and arsons. Change the training manual before writing and they have there ... Understand the question, otherwise it’s like a bunch in a puddle.
                      14. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 16
                        -2
                        Or maybe just in your beloved west ?? It’s you who are equal to them just ..
                        Well, you have to be completely degenerate so as not to see the difference between when a person hits the windows and burns cars, or when a person goes out to peaceful protests .. (I’ll keep silent about the reasons for this above the roof)
                        But how convenient it is, however, to distort concepts, and pull out only the necessary ..
                        Not that I write about the level of income and the standard of living in the same West .. Nooo .. we will find something worse there .. then we will turn it all inside out and lay it out ..

                        PS .. Where did you see the threat ?? Pity / regret from the threat is not able to distinguish even ..
                  3. Campanella
                    Campanella 13 August 2019 09: 58
                    -3
                    Iron logic of the pro-government trolls. Is it better to focus on humanism and not refer to "extremely civilized" countries?
                    In the end, there are tribes in which enemies are still devoured, let's focus on them.
                    Power does not correspond to the interests of a certain part of citizens, citizens have the right to express their point of view, but power behaves like a tyrant!
                    1. mkop
                      mkop 13 August 2019 10: 04
                      +14
                      Why can liberals refer to other countries but not others? Do they have superiority over people with a different opinion?
                2. mkop
                  mkop 13 August 2019 09: 23
                  +9
                  Nobody kicked her in the stomach, they hit her with a hand. Kicking a foot. Let's manipulate facts, not exaggerations for more effect?
                  1. balunn
                    balunn 13 August 2019 10: 04
                    -8
                    kick and punch change meaning?
                    1. mkop
                      mkop 13 August 2019 10: 23
                      +11
                      It changes. They will give you a mug in the street with your hand or foot, or maybe they will pop in the face with a club. Does that make sense to you?

                      You are even trying to deny and distort facts. And this is indicated by the minuses to my comment above. The fact is that they did NOT Kick her, but hit him with the HAND. This fact is documented in the video. But you keep arguing.
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 51
                        -2
                        Taking care of our power, it grows painstakingly children, punishing parents for their negligent attitude towards them, for exposing them to danger by participating in a rally, and then this girl who has already grown up is beaten up for participating in a peaceful rally.
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              2. Vend
                Vend 12 August 2019 16: 24
                +9
                Quote: mkop
                And why did they take her? Just? Why has no one shown this? You can link not just about how she was embedded, but from the very beginning. I look at the cameras there enough to capture everything from the beginning and put it out. Or not at first?

                If they show what they took for, then it will cease to be an innocent victim laughing
            2. g1v2
              g1v2 12 August 2019 16: 39
              +16
              Resistance to an employee during execution is a crime. If you were told that you were detained and you are trying to resist, you commit a crime AND APPLY MEASURES OF PHYSICAL INFLUENCE TO YOU. There is disagreement - you will appeal through a lawyer. At the same time, who you are absolutely on the drum. In such cases, cunning organizers always put women, old people, and so on in the first row. Young animals hide behind them, specially popping under the batons. The more colorful the picture - the more profitable it can be shown in the media. Personally, I personally would probably also want to prescribe this shmara with all the dope in the place of a fighter, but I need to control myself. The opponent wants this. To do this, they stick like a ball for provocation. So the guy could not restrain himself, and now it’s not only that they will be promoted, but they can also fine him. And the guys obviously do not get so much to lose the prize due to such a fecal mass. request
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 13 August 2019 03: 45
                +6
                https://tjournal.ru/news/110982-sledstvie-opravdalo-deystviya-policeyskih-slomavshih-nogu-moskovskomu-dizayneru-pered-akciey-27-iyulya
              2. Tibidokh
                Tibidokh 13 August 2019 06: 16
                0
                Quote: g1v2
                I would like to prescribe this shmare with all the dope

                What did she specifically do? What was her provocation expressed in?
              3. Roman070280
                Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 47
                -7
                At the same time, who you are absolutely on the drum.

                Aslambek Atambayev does not agree with this statement ..
                I think that Putin will also argue differently ..
                Interesting - and if Sobyanin suddenly appeared there in the crowd .. would he be kicked in the stomach too, in response to his go-ahead with his hands ??

                Personally, I personally would probably also want to prescribe this shmara with all the dope in the place of a fighter, but I need to control myself.

                Well, go out into the street, find a woman, but smack her .. maybe let her go ..

                The opponent wants this.
                Enemy?? ..))

                the guy could not restrain himself, and now it’s not only that they will be promoted, they can also fine him.

                Yes, the same patient .. so he did not "restrain himself" .. because he really wanted to "prescribe a shmare" .. So he certainly won't feel sorry for him ..
              4. Campanella
                Campanella 13 August 2019 10: 01
                -3
                When detained, there is a legal procedure. What did the girl violate when protecting Dtspeshnik?
                1. Pissarro
                  Pissarro 14 August 2019 04: 55
                  +3
                  At least prevented employees from fulfilling their duties. And at the rallies there are no soldiers and girls. There are provocateurs. If you are a decent girl do not go to such places
              5. Pissarro
                Pissarro 14 August 2019 04: 53
                +2
                I would love to pay a fine for this guy. Yes, and he would have thrown off the prize)
              6. From Siberia we
                From Siberia we 14 August 2019 08: 20
                0
                Quote: g1v2
                the guy could not resist

                Well, if her friends, too, do not hold back, and in the evening they meet the "hero"?
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2019 17: 27
                  0
                  Quote: From Siberia we
                  Well, if her friends, too, do not hold back, and in the evening they meet the "hero"?

                  Receive article of the Criminal Code for group beating. And in the case. The fact that he is a law enforcement officer, although not in execution, will be aggravating (probably).
              7. Spambox
                Spambox 14 August 2019 08: 38
                0
                And who will you complain through a lawyer? On a faceless creature without insignia, token, number? You will notice even the unit’s badges are missing, some people in uniform without insignia do not seem to drag you, not explaining why you were detained as it should be by law? In general, I doubt it may be mummers? By the way, the Russian Guard was driven from the regions, so that they better trample Muscovites, the Moscow OMON acts too delicately at home.
            3. passerby
              passerby 13 August 2019 05: 37
              -1
              And what is not legitimate in that the Police use violence against a person who resists detention?
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: g1v2
              But this is not necessary.

              The point is probably not how it is necessary and not necessary, but how lawful and not legal. We generally ceased to pay attention to laws .. the rally was authorized, the girl was unarmed, which means it is not necessary? I understand that a man would be .. or maybe she just walked by, and with her boot in her stomach .. Personnel for mental deviations need to be checked in the Russian Guard ..
            4. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 13 August 2019 06: 40
              +5
              Firstly, not with a boot. And by hand, and lightly. And in the very first, she hit him in the foot with his heel. If you look carefully, it is clearly visible. And this is an attack on a government official!
              1. mkop
                mkop 13 August 2019 10: 10
                +5
                But here no one sees this, alas. Everyone sees only a blow, not a resistance. Everyone says they kicked her, but I didn’t see a kick. Beat saw, no kick. Ordinary propaganda and distortion of facts.
            5. New Year day
              New Year day 13 August 2019 11: 56
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              Personnel for mental deviations check in Rosguard need ..

              for a long time, no brain
            6. Arkady Gaidar
              Arkady Gaidar 14 August 2019 08: 17
              +2
              Svarog! At the expense of legal and illegal. The first to violate laws in the Russian Federation are officials. And at the same time, they do not bear any tangible responsibility. And in order not to be unfounded, here is the link to the video:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3gW9wI1sIA&t=25s

              That is, power itself provokes the people. And then they are surprised at disobedience and use batons.
              Not that I am a supporter of such actions, but I am a supporter of the rule of law. In the meantime, there are people who put themselves above the law, there will be such protests. As the author wrote, people will unite around the demand for change for the better. hi
      2. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 12
        +7
        it was not without a "white counter" when I entered ... and I entered again and voila already 50 thousand
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 14
          +6
          Quote: Sunstorm
          voila now and 50 thousand

          According to police - 20 thousand. And with a confidence probability of 95% - (50 + 20) / 2 = 35 thousand. I believe in this figure, but not in the range.
          1. tracer
            tracer 12 August 2019 23: 24
            -14
            You also believe in the "testimony of the yogis," but in babayka?
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 18
              +8
              Quote: tracer
              You also believe in the "testimony of the yogis"

              "Poking" at the first meeting does not dispose to meaningful conversation.
              And babayki (they exist, but some call them reptilians wink ) For a long time they’ve been broadcasting from television about how we should be supposed to love our homeland, while having a residence permit in NATO countries.
              1. tracer
                tracer 13 August 2019 19: 50
                -5
                You friend apparently homeland is generally not supposed to love? If a person bears nonsense by passing him off as clever thoughts, he will not have respect, in any case, among people who understand the deep essence of the issues discussed.
    2. matross
      matross 12 August 2019 15: 10
      -6
      The first three comments are expected from the written opposition. They sit and catch the moment when they insert their spit. Go to work.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 12 August 2019 15: 16
        +7
        First three comments
        Your third laughing
        1. matross
          matross 12 August 2019 15: 22
          +3
          Even here it’s a lie. Fifth.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 August 2019 15: 41
            +4
            Fifth
            by the evening you will be twenty-fifth. And where is the truth?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 15: 38
      +11
      Quote: Svarog
      It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, people are arriving ...

      What is there to think? Jump and shake! - as one comrade used to say ... lol
      Judging by the news on TV, no rallies and demonstrations took place in the country, and the real news is that the fabulous “I am always! I am everywhere! I am everywhere!” Motorcycle was driving ...
      Soon it’s all old stuff on its own in the skin skin feels the love of the masses. Bored images from the screens, a dull routine on the street, an unenviable prospect in life - and this is between the ages of 18-30 ... And it was only necessary to leave the constitutional right. I am convinced that comedians are much more perspicacious than politicians and describe life situations more vividly:

      But in general, everything has long gone to this. The situation when the "upper classes" cannot, and the "lower classes" no longer want to smoothly develop into a state of full maturation.
      1. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 07: 26
        +5
        The lower ranks have chosen their leaders in alternative regular elections. This is called "democracy".
        There is an absolute minority (2%) who want to seize power and impose their will on the majority. This is called "an attempt on democracy", and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is called an attempt on "a violent seizure of power."
        The law does not prohibit this minority from expressing their displeasure and criticizing everything in a row, with the exception of acts designated as extremism in the law. The law establishes the procedure for holding mass events. In accordance with this procedure, the authorities cannot refuse to coordinate a mass event, except in two cases: 1) when the organizer is a person who, by law, does not have the right to organize it for previously committed offenses of an extremist nature; 2) when the event is planned to be held near hazardous facilities, transport infrastructure facilities and locations of authorities.
        The authorities are obliged to defend the choice of the majority (democracy) from extremists. There are special bodies for this - the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard.
        Personally, I want to live in safety and that my choice of the future for my city, region and state as a whole could not be crushed by a handful of aggressive people.

        I think that if the government does not protect the rights and interests of the majority from extremists' assassination attempt, then most citizens themselves will defend themselves from them. And then they will definitely have a very, very bad. While they are protected from popular anger and reprisal by law and the state court. If the people undertake to administer justice themselves, then this will not end in anything good, and first of all, for the minority that is most aggressive towards the majority. Therefore, it is in the interests of the majority to support their defenders, and in the interests of an aggressive minority, not to cross the line of law.
        1. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 13 August 2019 09: 49
          0
          At the elections ? There are no elections in Russia, but fiction, staging. Elections ... Joker ...
          1. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 10: 20
            +2
            Justify or hollow.
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 13 August 2019 10: 06
          0
          And I declare that your elections are not legitimate and rigged! And no majority voted for this power.
          Even the ballots are afraid to show and are being destroyed all the time quickly, so that, God forbid, not be checked.
          1. Den1989
            Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 10
            +2
            Who cares what you say there? Is there evidence? No! And you can declare anything. Freedom of speech.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 21
              -4
              So you do not have this evidence. In Moscow, even signatures for nomination by a candidate are falsified.
              1. Den1989
                Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 33
                +5
                And these falsifiers are forbidden to participate in the elections, which is why they, these falsifiers, are very unhappy, but they are clearly not able to collect signatures legally. Well, or a reason to take a bunch of embittered whiners into the streets. And as for the presidential election: in order for them to be legitimate, observers from other countries, even not friendly ones, are invited, as well as cameras are set up at polling stations and observers from all candidates. And if there were any very serious violations, then the howling from all these observers would stand all over the world. So, since they did not find anything significant (and there are minor violations that do not affect the course of the elections in any country in the world), what reason do you have to consider them illegitimate? Therefore, I asked about the evidence.
          2. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 19: 39
            +4
            Show court decisions that election results are falsified.
            The election results coincide with the data of exit polls conducted by various independent sociological services.
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 20: 18
              -1
              Quote: irion
              Show court decisions that election results are falsified

              Here the question is different - how consciously do citizens make their choice.
              And this does not mean that they will not want to falsify them in the upcoming elections (I mean not only Moscow) - the rating has dropped. And in order not to be "caught by the hand", moves are invented of varying degrees of cunning - from "self-nomination" to plans for the introduction of electronic voting on a national scale (how can citizens observe the progress of such a vote?). I do not see any other intelligible explanations for what is happening yet, but I have the right to doubt.
              1. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 21: 30
                +1
                Here the question is different - how consciously do citizens make their choice.
                And this does not mean that they will not want to falsify them in the upcoming elections (I mean not only Moscow) - the rating has dropped. And in order not to be "caught by the hand", moves are invented of varying degrees of cunning - from "self-nomination" to plans for the introduction of electronic voting on a national scale (how can citizens observe the progress of such a vote?). I do not see any other intelligible explanations for what is happening yet, but I have the right to doubt.

                Doubt is not proof of fact.
                Falsification is a distortion of the actual expression of will, and not persuasion (agitation).
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 13 August 2019 21: 40
                  0
                  Quote: irion
                  Doubt is not proof of fact.

                  Of course, but to increase transparency and confidence in the results - they must be convincingly removed.
                  Quote: irion
                  Falsification is a distortion of actual will

                  I did not claim that the election results were falsified. However, the September campaign of last year passed with a lot of violations (let us recall Pamfilova’s tears), which (and not only that) raised reasonable doubts about the upcoming campaign.
                  1. irion
                    irion 15 August 2019 09: 03
                    0
                    Most have no doubt about the validity of the election results. Violations that could distort the real will are important.
            2. Campanella
              Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 26
              0
              You might think that different sociological groups are evidence of objectivity.
              Falsification goes on at all levels from propaganda to fraud and stuffing.
        3. balunn
          balunn 13 August 2019 10: 11
          0
          do we have democracy? Where do you see her? You still write about an independent court
          1. mkop
            mkop 13 August 2019 10: 29
            +3
            And on our planet there is at least one country with democracy? Can an example.
            1. irion
              irion 13 August 2019 19: 43
              +1
              All of Europe, including Russia, most of North America, Japan, South Korea, Israel, most of Latin America, Australia and New Zealand ..
              Examples: Germany, France, Italy, USA, Canada.
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 26
                0
                I want democracy like in France, or like in Hong Kong, or like in the USA during "pay off Wall Street", by the way, another "democratic institution" is widespread in the USA. A free citizen takes a freely purchased rifle, takes more cartridges, puts on an armor, and freely goes to express their opinion in a crowd of people like Sakharov now.
                Or both in Ukraine and Latvia, suddenly out of nowhere a group of well-trained snipers appeared who shoot in both directions ...
                1. irion
                  irion 15 August 2019 08: 57
                  0
                  I want democracy like in France, or like in Hong Kong, or like in the USA during "pay off Wall Street"

                  The countries you have indicated are able to defend their democracy from attempts on it.
              2. mkop
                mkop 14 August 2019 08: 31
                +2
                You will see how the rallies are dispersed in the countries you represent. People are trying to express their opinion, they are being bathed with truncheons and tear gas. There is no democracy on the planet in the form in which it is described in the definitions of the word. But in general I am silent about the USA, the USA is a police state.
                Wake up you already, stop being blunt. Go to Google, Yandex, and generally any search engine. Type "dispersal of rallies in ..." into the search bar and substitute countries from your list instead of three dots. Next, enjoy the spectacle. Immediately I warn the content there 18+, because there is blood and beatings and so on.
                What do you call chtoli democracy? Do you think the power of the people? Maybe all nonsense is good to write, huh?
                1. Pissarro
                  Pissarro 14 August 2019 08: 45
                  0
                  And what does any rally in any country in the world have to do with democracy in any sense? At the rally there is always a miserable percentage of the population of any country. They are opposed by the Power, theoretically elected by the majority of the people in the elections. It is a miserable crowd that always infringes on the choice of the people. I do not agree, choose others in the elections.
                  I’m talking about the theory of democracy, if anything, in its ideal form. Maidan to overthrow her undemocratic)
                  1. mkop
                    mkop 14 August 2019 09: 02
                    +1
                    A rally is an opportunity to express one’s political opinion. In democracy, there should be an opportunity for everyone to express political opinion equally.

                    For example a quote from the wiki:
                    According to Robert Dahl [12], the idea of ​​democracy assumes the existence of a certain society (demos), where each member is equally competent to participate in the management of this society, has the necessary knowledge about which political choice allows him to protect his interests in the best way [18]. Making political decisions in accordance with this principle requires that all members of society have equal and effective opportunities.

                    communicate your political views to others; ....

                    "Democracy" in the modern world is distorted to the limit. And in fact it is not a democracy. Power structures of any country represent the interests of business first of all, and only then, if there is a time for the people.
                2. irion
                  irion 15 August 2019 08: 55
                  0
                  You will see how rallies disperse

                  Illegal rallies ala maidan.
              3. 16329
                16329 19 August 2019 12: 40
                0
                What kind of democracy is in Germany, it’s just a bureaucracy, no one has been going to the polls for a long time, they’re even trying to attract foreigners to the elections, I somehow received a letter inviting me to take part in the poll along with the federal elections
          2. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 19: 40
            0
            Democracy is a regular general alternative election with freedom of agitation. This is the power of the majority.
            The court is independent and separate from the executive branch.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 28
              +3
              Democracy, in my opinion, the unattainable ideal of society.
              1. mkop
                mkop 14 August 2019 11: 31
                +1
                Namely, and what is now in different countries from democracy has only a name.
              2. irion
                irion 15 August 2019 07: 12
                -1
                Democracy, in my opinion, the unattainable ideal of society.

                Regular general alternative elections with freedom of agitation are not ideal, but common practice in Western Europe, the USA, Canada, Japan, Israel, South Korea and Australia with New Zealand.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 15 August 2019 08: 46
                  0
                  Those. you want to say that majority representation is a democracy? And relatively speaking, the interests of the second half are taken into account? What you wrote is Bolshevism!
                  1. irion
                    irion 15 August 2019 09: 01
                    0
                    The power of the majority - this is democracy since the time of Athens. ) Moreover, in Athens it was considered a negative form of government, since the majority in democracy spits on the opinion and interests of the minority.
                    Therefore, the modern understanding of democracy includes, in addition to the unconditional power of the majority, the protection of the fundamental rights and freedoms of any person and citizen and the freedom of the media.
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 15 August 2019 11: 52
                      0
                      The times of Athens is a powerful argument. Democracy is the power of the whole people. I wonder how the government takes into account the interests of minorities? "Fundamentals ..." is blah blah blah. I wonder how the interests of the greens are taken into account, if, say, they did not get into parliament?
                      And it is quite obvious that the interests of the capitalists, who are called business, are always taken into account. Is this your democracy? You think in stamps.
                      1. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 12: 32
                        0
                        The times of Athens is a powerful argument. Democracy is the power of the whole people. I wonder how the government takes into account the interests of minorities? "Fundamentals ..." is blah blah blah. I wonder how the interests of the greens are taken into account, if, say, they did not get into parliament?
                        And it is quite obvious that the interests of the capitalists, who are called business, are always taken into account. Is this your democracy? You think in stamps.

                        The power of the whole people is like: all 100, 000000000% ??? Full consensus (common opinion of all citizens) ??? This is utopia.
                        Fundamental human rights are specified in the universal Declaration of Human Rights. In Russia, this is chapter 2 of the Constitution.
                        Voters vote, and I don’t know who the "capitalists" are. Here the "capitalists" from the 1990s in Russia are hated with pure uncomplicated hatred, so these parties like the Union of Right Forces do not enter the Duma, and their contender for the post of President of the Russian Federation (Prokhorov) lost to Putin in the presidential elections.
                        I operate on facts, not pink tales and not ideological slogans.
            2. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 29
              +1
              Note-MOST - 20 thousand. snickering Muscovites with LGBT inclinations are NOT MOST.
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    4. Bykov.
      Bykov. 12 August 2019 17: 07
      -9
      Quote: Svarog
      It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...

      What kind of people? The leaders of the rallies are monkeys with a grenade in their hands, and the flocks of sheep led by them. I hope the authorities really come to their senses and act, and not that the people will really come out and smear all these sheep on Sakharov Avenue.
      1. Revival
        Revival 12 August 2019 19: 22
        -8
        The people will come out !? They made laugh)))
      2. Revival
        Revival 12 August 2019 19: 32
        +5
        Probably from the Uralvagonzavod?
        Oh no, I forgot. Those have already been thanked, I think they are not very torn
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 13 August 2019 09: 35
        +9
        It doesn't matter. Sheep, monkeys (you don't see people there? Curious), this is all nonsense. The question is that all this could have been completely prevented, completely, completely, and the menagerie would have continued to post their tweets in public. And so the people can really get out. But when the people come out, they destroy everything. Such is he, our people, that is why we do not exchange for toy "protests".
        The question is that the thieves who have allowed this, wildly sniffed, should be transferred to the warm hands of Lavrenty Palych. After all, there were no difficulties in admitting these clowns to the elections, and then calmly letting them get 2-3 percent of them. Well, it's a little technical to "help", business is for knowledgeable people ...
        Only now the deputies of the Moscow City Duma are pure, refined, selected thieves. They know absolutely nothing, except for this "qualification", in principle. Until now, the "elections" consisted for them in deciding, by entering amounts and accidental accidents and air crashes, who exactly will steal the next term in this place. And then suddenly it took to be able to do something about which they did not know at all!
        And the Moscow City Duma instantly brought the matter to an explosion. And since she has a fantastic amount of money (all those hundreds of billions that do not pay people all over the country flock to Moscow for free), the security forces were simply bought. And not as people who know how to work with the masses, but as a blunt "force support" with a specific task - to beat!
        Thieves are primitive creatures. Very cunning, but with a mind near zero. They simply cannot think of anything else - when they cannot or do not want to buy something, steal, they begin to gang, that is, to intimidate, believing that anyone will bend if he is properly nightmare.
        Alas, the guys from the United States, damn experienced in the application of democracy, this is calculated at a time. And they lit up this dirty trick as if capricious children ... Mr. Sobyanin with his Duma is the complete and exclusive culprit of what is happening. It is him and these guys that should be thanked for plumbing out of the blue, substituting the whole country for their greed and thieves' stupidity.
        You should at least talk to them in their language, since frankly weak about Lavrenty Palych. Trucks with compromising materials available to the investigating authorities for each dear boss who brewed this porridge should be immediately sold. And they need to confiscate absolutely everything! Up to wearable stuff! Leave some underpants! They will definitely understand this ...
        1. balunn
          balunn 13 August 2019 10: 14
          +3
          Power does not give up! The story of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov is a confirmation of this
          1. 16329
            16329 19 August 2019 12: 41
            0
            Do you hand over yours?
        2. Alexander I
          Alexander I 13 August 2019 14: 15
          0
          What does it mean to admit, despite all the violations? Then the law is for whom, for the remaining 90% of the population? One gets the impression that no one wants to abide by the law and elementary norms: the opposition spat on the dead people on the signature sheets, but the authorities spat on the rules for detaining citizens.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 13 August 2019 14: 51
            0
            Excuse me, of course, but the "opposition" has the required number of signatures. There are enough of them to pass the electoral filter honestly, and "dead souls" are awkward bullshit. This is vanishingly small for winning the elections, and for submitting applications with some excess.
            It's just that "elections to the Moscow City Duma" are such clownery that even 5-10 thousand supporters are already an alarma for existing deputies. They generally spat on elections and other "institutions of democracy"; they never did anything like that. They will put up posters, write off the next grandmas for it, and that's all. And Muscovites go there for these elections, do not go ... has the money been sent? There is a result!
            And then the "independent candidates"! Unfed observers! They will also force the billiards to count (who counted them when? Why ?!)! Moreover, all this shobla was paid for by the American embassy, ​​it is rather difficult to buy them, at least in the right time ...
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 36
              +1
              Yes, they will not be allowed to run for the elections, and the point is not that someone didn’t come out with a mug, but the fact that they have already paid for seats in the Moscow City Duma, mandates have already been distributed and no one is planning to return the money. Trite and simple.
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 58
          +1
          And here is Sobyanin? He is a cog in a mechanism called Russian feudalism. Similar things are happening in many regions. Nearest Peter.
        4. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 30
          0
          Moscow has everything - infrastructure, culture, medicine. It would be time for this to happen in Russia. Dispose of the consuming Muscovites Pore.
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 14 August 2019 06: 34
            +1
            Interestingly, in Mukho.s.s.a.s.ske actually believe that if they smash Moscow, they will heal? Raguli from Kryzh.opol also believed that they smashed Kiev, and instead of bucks they carry wild bills for kamunalka and funerals)
            1. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 17 August 2019 22: 49
              +2
              No, just Moscow must fulfill its true goal - the Imperial Center, and now it is just a "malignant tumor" on the body of the country. It should not create privileged conditions for the "elite" by siphoning resources from the periphery. Its task is to develop the periphery - by consolidating the efforts of the entire country - for example, the Crimean Bridge, a cosmodrome in the Far East.
              AND YOU ALL GAY PARADES.
              To dissolve is not to smash)))
    5. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 August 2019 22: 09
      -5
      Quote: Svarog
      It was still bad weather.

      laughing Exactly. And so they would have taken even more from the regions, including the grimy "citizens". And the fagots would have been pulled up even more - they were like the rain scared away ... yes Stop ... What, to the demon, rain ?! To the present no natural disasters should interfere with the wrestler. am There, the Jamaicans came to this party. wassat True, they said that they had some kind of drumming, and they were in favor of the rights of blacks. laughing
      P.S. Really let it go ... laughing I see, I see: rendered on the old nickname. Hey-bo, funny people: back and forth, jump-jump, poke-toe, and at the exit - zilch. wassat
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 40
        -2
        Well riot police from all over the country to the territory of the Higher Officer Courses "Shot" named after Marshal of the Soviet Union B. M. Shaposhnikov near Solnechnogorsk? They are brought in, moreover, regularly and in rotation. So how do some methods differ from others. The owners of those others have the same training manuals too.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 13 August 2019 21: 36
          +2
          Quote: Dante
          Well riot police from all over the country

          With all my heart, the evening is done ... wassat Sincere thanks. hi laughing
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 13 August 2019 08: 22
      +5
      Pension reform, trash, increase of VAT Only this is enough to take to the streets
      1. 16329
        16329 19 August 2019 12: 49
        0
        That's right, and dissolve the armed forces and evil law enforcement agencies, go under external control, officials only from the EU and the USA for the transition period, split up into small states with a confederation for the same transition period, and for 40 years raise Russians of a democratic type, with the aim of gradual regions of entry into the EU.

        In Russia, there are many supporters of such a choice in all segments of the population; we have enough traitors under any regime.
    7. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 07
      +5
      it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...
      Svarog (Vladimir) Yesterday, 14: 59

      By 18.00 o'clock on August 10, the "people" had already dispersed, after listening to a concert with drug addicts singers and shouting meaningless slogans ... laughing
    8. New Year day
      New Year day 13 August 2019 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      It’s still the weather was bad .. it’s time to think about it already, people are arriving ..

      And if Sobyanin clouds dispersed, how many would be?
    9. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 August 2019 22: 11
      0
      Well, it seems to go, go.
  2. Greenwood
    Greenwood 12 August 2019 15: 01
    +4
    Last Saturday, about 50 thousand participants of the protest rally against the non-admission of candidates to the elections gathered on Sakharov Avenue. This is the most massive protest in Russia since the opposition’s protests on Bolotnaya Square.
    What's the point ?! The authorities do not feel threatened for themselves.

    If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 06
      +15
      Quote: Greenwood
      If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.

      If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..
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      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 August 2019 17: 08
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Greenwood
        If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.

        If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..

        There’s not enough money for half a million.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 51
          -4
          And you would only go to the rally for money ??
          Really even would not agree to write posts for free ??)
      3. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 07: 44
        +3
        As long as the law and the rights of the majority are not violated, the Rosguard minority need not be afraid.
        If the law is violated by the minority, then the Russian Guard will come into action.
        If the Rosgvardia does not want / cannot cope, then the majority will enter the matter.
      4. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 13 August 2019 09: 12
        +6
        half a million? What are you doing! This is the maximum that was collected. Repeat "Ukrobestrazd" ​​will not give. There all the laws are torn, as a result there is a complete "Waltzman's tomos." There is no future in the near future .. Do you want this?
    2. Digital error
      Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 19
      +10
      Quote: Greenwood
      The authorities do not feel threat to themselves

      Not only does he not feel, but as if he is mocking him - during the days of rallies, the president either "lays on the bottom" in the Gulf of Finland, then "rolls" Aksenov in a motorcycle sidecar in Crimea. As if making it clear that all these people do not interest him.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 22: 23
        -1
        Quote: DigitalError
        As if making it clear that all these people are not interested in him

        And with what hangover this sharashka, who is protesting (officially, at least) against the problems of their candidates for the Moscow City Duma, should be interested in the President of the Russian Federation? These are the problems of the Moscow City Hall, as a maximum ... no higher request
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 12 August 2019 22: 34
          +4
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          These are the problems of the Moscow City Hall, as a maximum ... no higher

          Moscow is the "showcase" of the whole country. People came out not because the MHD decides something, but to protest the quality of government governance (including the distribution of benefits) in general. This is both the article and the video below. The number of citizens with "radical" views who want qualitative changes, which the actually pro-government KPRF, LDPR and SR cannot provide, has reached 84% (https://rossaprimavera.ru/article/f6415319). And this 84% ​​includes a significant number of liberals and conservatives.
          1. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 07: 47
            +4
            No more than 2%. See the results of the last presidential election.
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 15 August 2019 11: 35
              0
              Quote: irion
              No more than 2%. See the results of the last presidential election.

              This is not an indicator. Before the elections, the President did not say at whose expense the "breakthrough" he announced should take place. And what will be the "new" composition of the Cabinet.
              Remember Trump Pence? For comparison.
          2. Den1989
            Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 20
            +4
            And where are these 84%? 20-50 thousand. Brought from all over the country (and not only ours) to Moscow? To respond to this? In Crimea, he was waiting for a lot more people who were much more worthy of his arrival. And reacting to a bunch of rams is the destiny of Navalny and other liberals.
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 13: 39
              -2
              Quote: Den1989
              In Crimea, a lot more people were waiting for him.

              I am inclined to believe that he was once again "framed" by PR specialists - in an attempt to create an alternative information channel for television pictures during the days of rallies.
              I personally cannot verify the information about the number of "brought" (I am sure there were some, but the overwhelming minority), but I know for sure that this version is broadcast on TV and therefore does not inspire confidence in me personally.
        2. Digital error
          Digital error 12 August 2019 22: 45
          +5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          And with what hangover this sharashka

          Have you seen Sergunina's refutation of the "Navalny investigation" (I understand that he did not investigate)? Maybe she filed a lawsuit to protect honor and dignity - no? Or maybe the TFR began to investigate what (recently, the video is being accepted in court)?
          I haven't heard anything about it. Instead, there is an arrogant silence and an attempt to shift attention from the essence of the issue to the sources of financing for FBK. That is why the people came out - the slogan "I am furious" is highly correlated with the moods of many, many citizens.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 13 August 2019 01: 59
            -1
            Quote: DigitalError
            arrogant silence and an attempt to shift attention from the substance to the sources of financing of FBK
            So Navalny formally has nothing to complain about. He takes data in Rosreestr and similar foreign organizations.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 13 August 2019 07: 14
            +3
            Quote: DigitalError
            I'm furious

            This is noticeable in the quantity and quality of what you wrote.

            Quote: DigitalError
            That is why the people came out - the slogan "I am furious" is highly correlated with the moods of many, many citizens

            Even the so kind 35000 that you supposedly attended on Sakharov’s account for 0,0021875% of the country's population. It will be a little (s). And it really does not pull on the 84% that you voiced there.

            Conclusion: all these dances around the failed (to the great regret of the liberda) rally and "Navalny, who suffered for the truth" is a consequence of the fact that they somehow have not succeeded in a new Bolotnaya. Sadness.

            Keep jumping yes
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 07: 20
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Conclusion: all these dances around the failed (unfortunately liberdi) rally

              Yes, just tired. laughing They stopped the hunt for rallies when at school the portrait of Brezhnev was handed on November 7. Or on the first of May, I forgot already ... crying
            2. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 08: 09
              +4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Even so kind to you 35000

              You don't understand my motives. I am trying to show that the time has come for real social concessions (and not, if I am not mistaken, +244 rubles to the pension of working pensioners), otherwise this number (the highest in recent years) will increase. I am an opponent of both the "Maidan" (in the event of which management will immediately be intercepted in the interests of anyone, but not the people), and the current economic paradigm - this is so for you to understand.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 13 August 2019 08: 23
                +3
                Quote: DigitalError
                You do not understand my motives ...

                ... because you are indistinct in places. Good, I heard you.

                Quote: DigitalError
                it's time for real social concessions

                Maybe. But those who are holding meetings now need not social, but quite political "concessions". And this is what personally worries me.

                The same Navalny (damn, caught the tongue) problems of pensioners - deeply shed. You do not reflect, you distribute (c).

                Quote: DigitalError
                I am an opponent of both the "Maidan" (in the event of which management will be immediately intercepted in the interests of anyone, but not the people), and the current economic paradigm

                Wonderful. But the position "I am against" has never been constructive. And you really have nothing to offer. And you are working now (objectively) for the very program on which money was poured over a puddle not so long ago ... probably - you do it completely disinterestedly, but, nevertheless, you do it request
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 13 August 2019 08: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  And you work now (objectively) precisely for that program for which money was poured out of a puddle not so long ago

                  I do not think so. And there is something to offer.
                  Sometimes everything is not immediately visible - I answered you in a personal message, so as not to "flood" here.
              2. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 13 August 2019 09: 15
                +1
                And how did you want to lead the country on capitalist rails? USSR - was in the past. But this will be 100% in the future.
          3. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 07: 51
            +6
            And since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea ??????
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 08: 25
              -5
              Quote: irion
              since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea?

              Nobody talks about wine - this is the subject of proceedings by the competent authorities on a common basis. But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.
              1. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 09: 53
                +6
                But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.

                I do not agree.
                Is the accused obliged to refute and prove his innocence?
                Navalny was already in conflict with Usmanov. And how did it end?
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 13 August 2019 10: 16
                  -4
                  Quote: irion
                  And how did it end?

                  Usmanov became a video blogger smile Zolotov also filed a lawsuit against him - he did not remember how it ended (and ended?), But reacted
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 14: 03
                    +2
                    Navalny lost the trial to Usmanov.
              2. Gost2012
                Gost2012 13 August 2019 17: 42
                +3
                Quote: DigitalError
                Quote: irion
                since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea?

                Nobody talks about wine - this is the subject of proceedings by the competent authorities on a common basis. But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.


                Those. come up to you and ask aloud - did you stop drinking cognac in the morning? or - do you still go to a gay club? And now you need to start the trial and make excuses: - did not drink, - how did not drink ?! and prove it! didn’t go to a gay club ?! where was it then? and then? and let us have you go to the proctologist for tests ... whatever you want ?! mean went!
                1. Digital error
                  Digital error 13 August 2019 19: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: Gost2012
                  Those. come up to you and ask loudly

                  The comparison may be successful, but it is true for ordinary citizens, and not for officials who are responsible for fulfilling the needs of voters (election program). Silence is perceived precisely as the absence of objections in essence. Submit a lawsuit, appoint your representative and recover costs by a court decision (as Usmanov did) - no one asks for personal excuses and personal attendance at meetings. To be silent means to increase suspicion, that's all.
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 21: 19
                    +2
                    Most ignore such suspicions, because the current rulers still benefit more than the costs.
      2. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 07: 45
        +4
        I suppose that power in Russia is simply oriented towards the majority of citizens, that is, it stands on the democratic principles of state governance.
        1. Den1989
          Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 45
          -1
          And rightly so good
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 13 August 2019 22: 08
          -2
          The power of the majority is not democracy. And in Russia it’s not even there!
          1. Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman 14 August 2019 06: 18
            +1
            Wow! There are still suckers who believe in some kind of democracy ...
            1. irion
              irion 15 August 2019 09: 24
              0
              Suckers rush to extremes: then everything is wonderful in the USSR, then the West is a role model.
              Democracy does not mean that with it the power is with the most honest, decent, competent and responsible people. Not at all. It’s just that in a democracy, pretenders to power struggle among themselves in the eyes of the majority, forcibly offering the majority one or another bun. And if the election winner does not fulfill his promises, then, as a rule, he has no chance of being reelected.
            2. Campanella
              Campanella 15 August 2019 12: 04
              +2
              That's just the point, Western propaganda works. Freedom, democracy, but there is neither one nor the other. There are interests of capital, multinational companies, financial institutions and the government itself. The people below this pyramid.
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          3. irion
            irion 15 August 2019 09: 25
            0
            Quote: Campanella
            The power of the majority is not democracy. And in Russia it’s not even there!

            Democracy is Latin for "power of the people." The power of which part of the people: the majority or the minority? Is it a minority or a majority to win elections? )))))))))
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 15 August 2019 12: 08
              0
              I say it is not. But even that ersatz that exists in the west in Russia we do not have. We just have feudalism.
              1. irion
                irion 15 August 2019 12: 21
                0
                Justify. No need for allegations.
            2. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2019 17: 43
              0
              Quote: irion
              Democracy is Latin for "power of the people."

              Actually, this is a translation from Greek.
              Quote: irion
              The power of which part of the people: majority or minority? Does the minority or majority win the election? ))))))))))

              In Athens of those times there were two layers of society - demos (wealthy people) and plebs (poor, slaves, foreigners). And the admission to the elections was by property qualification. So democracy in its original form is the power of wealthy people (protecting ONLY their rights).
      3. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 20
        +5
        Why should the President be concerned about the elections to the Moscow City Duma? And by the way, if the "effective and creative" gathered 50 thousand people for their rally, why didn't they collect 50 thousand signatures?

        1. Digital error
          Digital error 13 August 2019 14: 10
          0
          Quote: Oleg Monarchist
          why didn’t they collect 50 thousand signatures?

          Maybe because initially they did not want to collect them, but counted on a scandal?
          They had enough time to collect signatures - they could have collected with double reserve.
    3. ver_
      ver_ 13 August 2019 09: 47
      -1
      ... I wonder why Mendel has no bald spot ...
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 August 2019 15: 02
    0

    Another opinion
  4. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 02
    +9
    here we jumped and got to Moscow.
    Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?
    What, will not dynamize real attempts to oppose? will be.
    The crowd goes out into the street under false slogans and achieve empty goals.
    This is terrible. There is only 2 step left to the pots on the head and the puke of dignity.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 August 2019 15: 09
      +9
      People will always be not happy with power when it is anti-people .....
      The protest, this is an intermediate form, may become worse, but not now and not under the banners - Choose us, everything will be fine with us !!! - large masses no longer believe in such fairy tales, therefore they suffer, wait .... they don’t know what they are waiting for, however!
      1. yehat
        yehat 12 August 2019 15: 14
        +10
        so far the only thing that can be done is to organize in real trade unions and self-government councils at the place of stay - this is the only force that can really help, not by promises. We have no real levers of influence on the government, except for this and the absence of elections. Rallies, meetings, tweets, retweets are just a couple release
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 32
          +4
          Quote: yehat
          the only thing you can do is organize in real unions

          Unions in enterprises? Get fired right away ..
          1. yehat
            yehat 12 August 2019 15: 42
            +9
            Quote: Svarog
            Unions in enterprises? Get fired right away ..

            capital always starts from this.
            but on the other hand, any jamb - and you still get fired immediately, but for now, slowly, slowly
            tighten the nuts. Now the average salary for 10 years has almost doubled its purchasing power and continues to decline. You will quietly and imperceptibly meet the fact that you come close to the edge, or rather you will be let down.
            Already today, the average salary does not even ensure the full reproduction of labor resources - many are only enough for current expenses.
            In the difficult restructuring in the 90s, the Ginny coefficient (social stratification) was around 12. Now, according to recent forecasts, it is above 18. In Europe, if it only approaches 9, French yellow vests across the country begin.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 56
              +2
              Quote: yehat
              any jamb - and you still get fired immediately

              The creation of trade unions for the capitalist is not just a jamb, but a big jamb, if of course, the union is not manual .. For this reason I write that this measure is not working from the realm of fiction. After the collapse of the USSR, such an institution as trade unions is no longer relevant. even in France this movement is dying.
              For the rest, I agree with your comments.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 August 2019 17: 50
                +1
                The unions had periods of rise and fall !!! But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.
                ONLY OWN TRADE UNIONS, and then enlargement and unification, there is nothing else!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 12 August 2019 17: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.

                  The working people have nothing left, that's right. But no one will allow the trade unions to raise their heads. The organizers will be fired right away when they get to know about them. This movement, may be possible in Russia, only under the auspices of the state. But our state is bourgeois and he definitely does not need this smut. So, the working people have nothing left but to work from dusk to dawn and get a penny for it .. and it’s good if there is work.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 August 2019 21: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Quote: rocket757
                    But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.

                    The working people have nothing left, that's right. But no one will allow the trade unions to raise their heads. The organizers will be fired right away when they get to know about them. This movement, may be possible in Russia, only under the auspices of the state. But our state is bourgeois and he definitely does not need this smut. So, the working people have nothing left but to work from dusk to dawn and get a penny for it .. and it’s good if there is work.

                    They are afraid of wolves ...... we have nothing to lose but our chains !!!
                    Ancestors went through all this !!! And we????
                    1. Digital error
                      Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 26
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Ancestors went through all this !!!

                      And they won the War against Capitalism in the 1945 year. And now, the political heirs of the people who surrendered the Soviet project teach us to love our homeland and make an expensive cult out of the Second World War for lack of another ideology and new (great!) Achievements.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 07: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: DigitalError
                        And they won the War against Capitalism in the 1945 year. And now, the political heirs of the people who surrendered the Soviet project teach us to love our homeland and make an expensive cult out of the Second World War for lack of another ideology and new (great!) Achievements.

                        Soviet country was built by the CREATORS! They were not angels and made quite a few mistakes, on a new, unknown path! But they CREATED a Country for PEOPLE .....
                        Now they are not building the country either, they are actually ruining it and certainly not for the people! Only for your beloved ones.
                      2. Voyager
                        Voyager 13 August 2019 08: 37
                        0
                        You speak with loud slogans, but miss the point. Before building something in the Soviet Union, these creators how many looted and destroyed, how many killed, don’t you remember? You will probably say that in order to create something new, you must first get rid of the old, but this approach contradicts your own statement.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 59
                        0
                        Firstly Secondly Thirdly!
                        Quote: Voyager
                        ? You will probably say that in order to create something new, you must first get rid of the old, but this approach contradicts your own statement.

                        I do not call for the overthrow of power and the replacement of the system! I see no prerequisites, there is no revolutionary situation.
                        Nowhere and never have revolutions passed peacefully, without cataclysms. The difference is only in scale ..... our country is large, the scale of everything, everything, is grandiose!
                        Nobody can do without slogans. Proven method, why refuse?
                        Even in the system in which we live, it is possible and necessary to fight for our rights! It is necessary to unite in different ways, professional, party, class !!! If only there was a sense!
                        If you do nothing at all ....... what will happen then?
                    2. region58
                      region58 14 August 2019 10: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      we have nothing to lose except our chains !!! ... ... And we ????

                      If you think about it, then all the same, the vast majority of people have something to lose. yes And the rest too ...
                      IMHO, of course.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 14 August 2019 10: 23
                        0
                        Quote: region58
                        If you think about it, then all the same, the vast majority of people have something to lose. And the rest too ...
                        IMHO, of course

                        How not to think, there is always something to lose!
                        What kind of dealer, how much more can you get, or even an edge, and you want to get at least something, because the fact that you can lose valuable does not seem at all!
                        Now the first seems more relevant ... since the second, this is already before the revolutionary / rebellious situation!
                  2. Campanella
                    Campanella 12 August 2019 23: 45
                    +4
                    Horror to what people brought. I remember how I worked in Soviet times, the song! And a dispensary and its own clinic, rest houses, pioneer camps, a bunch of sporting events. And now this real system ...
                    1. Den1989
                      Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 52
                      +1
                      Well then, the Union fell apart? Everything was so fabulous. Maybe there were few dispensaries and sporting events? Or did capitalism still want to?
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 37
                        0
                        You will not believe, nobody wanted capitalism. They wanted it to be even better, but under socialism. But the ruling abominations decided in their own way.
                      2. Den1989
                        Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 23
                        +1
                        Of course I won’t believe it. Young people mostly wanted to. Chewing gum, jeans, etc. You know, I am not an opponent of the USSR, but it was not possible to create what it was created for (and it was created at the cost of great sacrifices and losses). And returning it all back makes no sense. There were many pluses, but the minuses, since it broke up, there were still more. The second time on the same rake, nothing good will come of it.
                  3. tracer
                    tracer 13 August 2019 03: 46
                    0
                    Your fate was to be decided under the tracks of tanks like on broken streets in Syria. No other future was left for you. You are just cracking here because it didn't happen. It did not happen by the will of one person who came to power. Something better turned out something worse. But on the verge of a war with another state. And you rattle about "change" "we are in power here" and pans on your head soon. The country should not have existed any more and you complain that "tigers do not give meat".
                    1. Digital error
                      Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: tracer
                      "we are in power here"

                      The authorities should have hired Navalny to "clean the ranks" based on his investigations. But that won't happen, right? And they should have admitted the same Sobol to the elections the next (!) Time - when she gets her 2%, then you will pejoratively assert about the "rattle", before that your maxims are nothing more than speculation. But it won't be allowed, right? Because in the absence of a political alternative, it will gain much more. And since Moscow is the showcase of the country, the "domino effect" will begin. This is what the status quo supporters fear - and you know it very well.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: DigitalError
                        The authorities should have hired Navalny to "clean the ranks" based on his investigations.

                        As soon as "such an honest" gets into .... shorter hits, changes shoes at once or the SYSTEM breaks it!
                        The vicious system is eliminated, replaced by a completely different !!! This can only be done by ANOTHER SYSTEM !!! Systematic modernization is possible, but this is also SYSTEM work and it requires more efforts than to scrapping .....
                        In short, all this is very difficult and what a recipe to apply here and now, for sure no one will tell you!
                        Only ALL TOGETHER, ONLY FRIENDLY, ONLY ..... the eternal question, what to do?
                      2. tracer
                        tracer 13 August 2019 19: 52
                        -2
                        I advise in a hickey to kiss the image of Navalny.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 19: 55
                        0
                        Have you tried it? Did it help?
                        If it helped, then from what?
                      4. region58
                        region58 14 August 2019 10: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Systematic modernization is possible, but this is also SYSTEM work and it requires more efforts than to scrapping .....

                        In addition, time is also needed a lot ...
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 14 August 2019 10: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: region58
                        In addition, time is also needed a lot

                        And time and people, consider it special, are needed! In short, oh how simple it is!
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: tracer
                      You are now popping here only because this has not happened. It did not happen by the will of one person who came to power. Something better, something worse

                      GDP looks quite adequately in the system that we have. CAPITALISM, i.e. the power of the rich and for the rich! He speaks a lot, "beautifully", sometimes at a swoop, even solves some problems (this is about internal affairs) .... but still there is a persistent feeling that the authorities are mainly busy solving issues for themselves, and many problems are falling on the people. The further from the capital, the more it falls on the people!
                      The question is, and who might like it ???
                      Moscow protests, this is past the bulk of citizens, there is not for the people, but for themselves in power .... we do not need this naf! At the expense of pots on the heads .... some believe that the pan saves when everything is poured from above !!! But when on the rest of the body, there is no place for "living", MANY pans will be removed! And what will happen then !!!
                      1. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 10: 19
                        +2
                        CAPITALISM, i.e. the power of the rich and for the rich

                        There is no capitalism. This is an invention of Marxism.
                        There is a market economy and a planned one. A planned one is a social experiment that ordered a long life. The planned economy remained only in the DPRK and in Cuba. In China, a market economy.
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 11: 12
                        +2
                        Yes, whatever you call it, if only it climbed into the basket.
                        Of fundamental importance is the fact that the means of production belong to the party! Not a shovel with a scythe, but newspapers, factories, steamboats, etc. ......
                        At the expense of the PLAN ...... without plans, planning, NOBODY does! More-less. The USSR and countries following the same path brought the planning system to the absolute. The opposite side has left a lot to the mercy / management of private owners, their associations ....... the state retains significant levers for managing everything and everything, not just by order, but by other methods.
                        Over time, everything should be modernized !!! In accordance with the changed situation ..... in the USSR, pro-m ... let this moment go! Nothing good came of it.
                        All the same, this is an intermediate stage and nothing is finished yet.
                      3. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 12: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Komscheu owns the means of production!

                        In a market economy, they always belong to people or companies. In a failed plan, the state and certain collective farms. Will we argue about the effectiveness of collective farms too? )

                        In a market economy, the business plan is the business itself. subject (company or individual entrepreneur) for himself.
                        In a planned economy, a business plan for the company (even private artels under Stalin) is developed by the state planning authority: what, what, how many pieces to produce; to whom, at what price to ship. This system has successfully failed wherever it was. The remnants we have the opportunity to observe in the DPRK and in Cuba. Soooo successful economies. )

                        What is not over: Marxism is an economy based on the dominance of state ownership of the means of production? So that's it already. As be history has put everything in its place. The experiment showed its non-viability in peacetime. Since this is a mobilization system that allows you to win the war, but in the long run in conditions of global peaceful competition, it is inferior to the usual market economy.
                        Or is it still not clear to you?
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 13: 27
                        0
                        Quote: irion
                        In a market economy, they always belong to people or companies.

                        "Tales of their town" .... what would be used to figure out who, in fact, what belongs to, you need a lot, a lot, read, listen! Especially inquired, read it ..... very interesting! So, everything belongs to specific, often not public faces, to small specific groups of faces! PEOPLE can only own doorknobs from the offices of serious, large companies.
                        We don’t touch every little thing, it can be different there.
                        Quote: irion
                        We will also argue about the effectiveness of collective farms

                        The collective farm, as a method of conducting agricultural activities, is very effective when the economy is large. Now it comes to that, they just call it differently !!!!
                        To remove the ideology, to remove the excessive leadership from above, to enlarge / merge and voila, the collective farm under the name HOLDING! See what and how is being done in the world? Where and to whom small-scale agricultural producers are transformed ...... a typical collective farm
                        For the history of the century, a short episode, several volumes in the library ... and now a few not very large files on the disk!
                        Nothing is finished while people live. Another question, will we see if we wait? If not, then the descendants will see.
                        It makes no sense to argue, so, a warm-up for the tail!
                      5. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 19: 59
                        0
                        everything belongs to specific, often not public faces

                        Are these aliens or demons?
                        The collective farm, as a method of conducting agricultural activities, is very effective when the economy is large.

                        And was Soviet agriculture highly effective? )
                      6. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 20: 18
                        0
                        Quote: irion
                        And was Soviet agriculture highly effective? )

                        But in different ways! From state farms to millionaires to crawling on the grooves.
                        The reasons for this are different, objective, stupid and just criminal. The topic is extensive and requires careful analysis.
                        However, as a result, there are many large agricultural producers successfully using collective farms in the world. It is a pity that we were not able to unleash its potential.
                      7. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 21: 31
                        -1
                        But in different ways! From state farms to millionaires to crawling on the grooves.
                        The reasons for this are different, objective, stupid and just criminal. The topic is extensive and requires careful analysis.
                        However, as a result, there are many large agricultural producers successfully using collective farms in the world. It is a pity that we were not able to unleash its potential.

                        It is not necessary about the world, it is about the effectiveness of the collective farm system in the USSR. There is no point in talking about individual successful collective farms; we are talking about the system as a whole. and what was its effectiveness? )))
                      8. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 23: 41
                        0
                        Personal, amateurish opinion - the country did not starve, but much that they could produce was not enough!
                        Why and how it was, you need to understand!
                        I repeat not the first time - I do not think that the management methods from above, by everything and everything, in the country were the best, advanced! Modernization of both the industry itself and management methods was not carried out on time !!! This is the fault of the top party leadership and their subordinates, because it was they who ruled everything!
                        That is, I will not hang the label "flayers", but that "boobies of the king of heaven" is for sure !!! Which in the end was shown.
                      9. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 09: 11
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Why and how it was, you need to understand!

                        So life has already put everything in its place: the collective farm system is ineffective, modern market agriculture is breaking one record after another. )
                      10. rocket757
                        rocket757 15 August 2019 10: 13
                        0
                        The fact is that there are no Soviet collective farms, as well as the state that generated them!
                        The collective farming method successfully exists along with private farms.
                        Those. an attempt to rely on ideology, to be guided by non-rational, economic principles in economic activity, did not lead to anything good, this is also an objective fact.
                        Not against the collective farm, against everything that was hung on them from above and prevented them from working successfully! Although some people worked successfully in such a situation .... this is not a miracle, it was just that the leaders were wise, and those who were watching nearby and above did not rest on their horn ... they probably understood something in the economy and agriculture, i.e. there were no fools either!
                      11. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 12: 23
                        -1
                        Those. an attempt to rely on ideology, to be guided by non-rational, economic principles in economic activity, did not lead to anything good, this is also an objective fact.

                        That is, nevertheless, the Soviet collective farm system was generally extremely ineffective. )
                      12. rocket757
                        rocket757 15 August 2019 13: 05
                        0
                        If you separate the Soviet and collective management (collective farm), then there is a field for discussion!
                        It is clear that then it was not separable, but we are considering the question of the past and various options for consideration are possible in order to understand what was the mistake.
                        The "guilty" Soviet leaders were often sent to agriculture (there is such an opinion). If we assume that this was the case, the quality of these frames was lower than it is clear what! They were interested in a quick increase in all sorts of indicators, in any way that would justify themselves in front of their higher "comrades" and return upstairs to the "heavenly booths." What could have remained after such ur-r-radishes, where they "rustled"?
                        It turns out that the collective farms survived in spite of the "efforts" of such leaders ... There are many more similar facts that cannot be ignored ..... this is in addition to objective reasons that hinder the development of agriculture in the USSR.
                        In general, even the definition of the Soviet, socialist, can be considered as many different .... circumstances, reasons, factors, actions gathered in one force, but it turned out, worked out in a row in the end.
                        Those. I do not consider socialism \ communism a dead end way of development .... but our attempt, the experiment ended in failure ..... it happens, a negative result, also a result, information for consideration!
                      13. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 13: 40
                        0
                        If you separate the Soviet and collective management (collective farm)

                        We are considering the Soviet collective farm system.
                        Soviet planned economy has proved its viability.
                      14. rocket757
                        rocket757 15 August 2019 14: 12
                        0
                        Then EVERYTHING was Soviet, i.e. under the vigilant leadership of party organs !!!
                        These guys, the majority, led, pardoned / punished quickly and specifically, if that. They were millstones, which often ground everyone and everything!
                        I PERSONALLY went through this when I kicked up on the Komsomol line, that is, I sent everyone to a well-known address ... it was the times of the USSR, I worked for ... in short, I had zero tolerances, only this saved, i.e. e. there was no one to replace at that time! and then, when he returned from the "campaign" everyone pretended that nothing had happened!
                        So, believe me, the instructor from the regional committee is a BEAST, which without us, um ... protection could not be allowed to people!
                      15. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 14: 30
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Then EVERYTHING was Soviet

                        We are considering that - the Soviet.
                      16. rocket757
                        rocket757 15 August 2019 15: 12
                        0
                        Soviet, it’s just a term that combines a lot of different things!
                        Without putting everything on the shelves, you can dance around and around for a long time, without really understanding anything!
                      17. irion
                        irion 16 August 2019 13: 05
                        0
                        Soviet - this is what was the product of the RSFSR, and after 1922 - the USSR.
                        What is unclear here ?. )
                      18. tracer
                        tracer 13 August 2019 19: 57
                        -1
                        Here are those on but the Chinese do not know? For information to you. In China, the economies of the largest state monopolies that form the backbone of engineering, energy and agriculture are precisely the planned ones. We heard the system of state plans! Everything that does not concern this is not planned. Does it all come to you? Rest even with a horn, this will show your incompetence.
                      19. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 August 2019 20: 08
                        0
                        .
                        Quote: tracer
                        tracer Today, 19:57

                        The question is, to whom exactly is this message?
                        I suggest at least something to celebrate!
                        And then either idle, or the answer is not from the one to whom they addressed
                        By the way, did they offer Navalny to whom?
                        That's it.
                      20. tracer
                        tracer 13 August 2019 20: 11
                        -4
                        Navalny suggested using the suffering with the question "How long?"
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                      22. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 20: 13
                        -1
                        Here are those on but the Chinese do not know?

                        Look at the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, it says "market economy" in black and white. Moreover, several times: preamble, Articles 11 and 15.
                        https://chinalaw.center/constitutional_law/china_constitution_revised_2018_russian/
                        In fact, both private and state-owned Chinese companies operate on a self-financing basis - according to their own business plan.

                        You don’t know, but you’re climbing. )
                      23. tracer
                        tracer 13 August 2019 20: 17
                        -3
                        The basis of the national economy was state and collective property, on the basis of which a system of centralized planned economy was created on the model of the Soviet economy.
                        Any questions? About the PDA (this is not the clatter of hooves. ”I just don't mention it.
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                      25. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 21: 13
                        0
                        The basis of the national economy was state and collective property, on the basis of which a system of centralized planned economy was created on the model of the Soviet economy.

                        A market economy (preamble, Articles 11 and 15 of the Constitution of the PRC) with Chinese characteristics implies that Chinese both state and private companies conduct business on the basis of self-financing, that is, it is a full-fledged entrepreneurial activity, and not a planned economy.
                      26. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 21: 07
                        0
                        Here are those on but the Chinese do not know?

                        This is written in black and white in the Constitution of the PRC: in the preamble, in Articles 11 and 15.
                        In fact, Chinese and state-owned and private companies operate on the basis of self-financing: they make up a business plan for themselves.
                      27. Campanella
                        Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 42
                        0
                        There is nothing at all, there is only one man, vile, ugly, another sweet and good ...)))
                        There is no pure market or planned economy, a symbiosis for a long time.
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                      30. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 13: 07
                        0
                        There is no pure market or planned economy, a symbiosis for a long time.

                        And where is such a mixed system?
                      31. CT-55_11-9009
                        CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2019 17: 53
                        0
                        Quote: irion
                        A planned one is a social experiment that ordered a long life. The planned economy remained only in the DPRK and in Cuba. In China, a market economy.

                        First, since the planned economy remained, it did not rest in Bose. Secondly, it is Cuba and the DPRK that show its strength. How many years have both these countries been under sanctions? Nevertheless, they live and even somehow develop. Third, China is not a purely market economy, but a hybrid of a market economy and a planned economy. As in Japan. Like the "Pacific Tigers". That is, countries that have developed at a frantic pace over the past 40-50 years. By the way, the same Japan also has a Soviet education system, from which (the best in the world) Russia refused (like Bologna is more effective).
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 23
            +2
            So this is a struggle. Fighting is never easy
          3. karabass
            karabass 12 August 2019 17: 38
            +8
            The first unions were commanded by mafiosi, and such that not only the police but also the special services were afraid of them. The Streybrecher found dead. Here they could represent and defend. And today's, and even on the salary is about anything!
        2. free
          free 12 August 2019 19: 31
          0
          organize in real trade unions and local government councils at the place of stay
          Unions are a dead end.
          Here are the tips of self-government at the place of residence, this is the right direction as a way of self-organization of the masses.
          In general, to step forward, the masses of the people need a party, a real, workers 'and peasants' party.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 25
            +1
            Quote: free
            organize in real trade unions and local government councils at the place of stay
            Unions are a dead end.
            Here are the tips of self-government at the place of residence, this is the right direction as a way of self-organization of the masses.
            In general, to step forward, the masses of the people need a party, a real, workers 'and peasants' party.

            Everything was ... unfortunately degraded!
            BUT, nothing else was invented and you have to go along the proven path!
            By the way, trade unions, councils and a working party, DOES NOT DISTURB one another, if we work together !!! Do not conflict forces / organizations that have the task of uniting and supporting the working people !!!
      2. dirk182
        dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 21
        +5
        Anti-people is putting it mildly. In my city, the center of social services "ATTENTION" announced preparations for the new academic year and ASSISTANCE CHARGES FOR LARGE FAMILIES FROM CITIZENS. When they ceased to be called the SOCIAL PROTECTION center, no one noticed to this day
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 12 August 2019 15: 34
        +8
        Well, so we had power - the most popular one. Against her even more came out. And how did it end?
        1. free
          free 12 August 2019 19: 33
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          Well, so we had power - the most popular one. Against her even more came out. And how did it end?


          What kind of power are you talking about?
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 12 August 2019 22: 59
            +8
            Soviet. Such a country was the USSR. As I remember now, rallies with many hundreds of thousands against the "anti-popular power of the CPSU." How then did the townsfolk believe that they just need to throw off the CPSU and everything will bloom at once. Remember the result?
            1. free
              free 12 August 2019 23: 32
              -3
              Quote: g1v2
              Soviet. Such a country was the USSR. As I remember now, rallies with many hundreds of thousands against the "anti-popular power of the CPSU." How then did the townsfolk believe that they just need to throw off the CPSU and everything will bloom at once. Remember the result?


              Seem and be not the same thing, do not you?
              And the USSR of the times of Stalin, for example, is not at all the same as the USSR of the times of Brezhnev.
              1. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 07: 54
                +3
                But essentially comments have something to answer?
                1. free
                  free 13 August 2019 12: 44
                  -2
                  Quote: irion
                  But essentially comments have something to answer?


                  Well, if for you the difference between seeming and being insignificant remains only fool
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 21: 24
                    0
                    Clearly, no.
                    1. free
                      free 13 August 2019 21: 43
                      -1
                      Quote: irion
                      Clearly, no.


                      It is clear that with people like you only talk time wasting.
                      1. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 09: 12
                        0
                        Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.
                      2. free
                        free 15 August 2019 16: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: irion
                        Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                        You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.
                      3. irion
                        irion 16 August 2019 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                        You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.

                        Therefore, I stated your discharge - the complete absence of arguments, the fear of losing the discussion.
                      4. free
                        free 16 August 2019 20: 40
                        0
                        Quote: irion
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                        You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.

                        Therefore, I stated your discharge - the complete absence of arguments, the fear of losing the discussion.


                        Do not flatter yourself amiable. laughing This is not solid.
            2. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 22: 27
              +1
              Quote: g1v2
              the townsfolk believed that it was only necessary to throw off the Communist Party and immediately everything would bloom. Remember the result?

              The CPSU was then thrown off (it did not get better), and today in the Duma, the Federation Council and the Government - "through one" the former members of this party, and some at the same time talk about the demolition of the Mausoleum ... "The result" is not yet, it continues.
      4. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 16
        -1
        and stamp again
        Quote: rocket757
        not satisfied with the government when it is anti-people ..

        power is always and everywhere "anti-people" (remember we said the same about laws?), why? because it makes people do something that not all people like .. well enough to get propaganda out of yourself? Power is power, people are people and people cannot be anti-power, and power cannot be anti-people (except in prop. Manuals)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 August 2019 17: 55
          +4
          Quote: Sunstorm
          and stamp again

          This is on your .... stamp somewhere, but I have the COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
          The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!
          PS ..... but there were, dissatisfied, always will be.
          1. irion
            irion 13 August 2019 07: 59
            +4
            COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
            The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

            The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
            The CPSU, which no one elected.
            There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
            Anti-people power as it is.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 40
              0
              Quote: irion
              The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
              The CPSU, which no one elected.
              There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
              Anti-people power as it is.

              In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
              Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
              A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
              Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.
              1. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 10: 02
                +2
                In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
                Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
                A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
                Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.

                The Soviets were in power locally until the end of the Civil War. Then the VKP (b) seized all power. There were no elections in the USSR. And "this is a fact that is foolish to deny."
                Denial of the fact of a totalitarian dictatorship in the USSR from the same series. The government was anti-popular (anti-democratic), since the people were not elected. Fact. Try to refute.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 13 August 2019 10: 16
                  -3
                  Clear. The next one that does not get off the pole and repeats, repeats ......
                  Not interesting.
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 11: 58
                    +2
                    That is, you have nothing to object to. So let's write it down. )
                2. free
                  free 13 August 2019 18: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: irion
                  In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
                  Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
                  A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
                  Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.

                  The Soviets were in power locally until the end of the Civil War. Then the VKP (b) seized all power. There were no elections in the USSR. And "this is a fact that is foolish to deny."
                  Denial of the fact of a totalitarian dictatorship in the USSR from the same series. The government was anti-popular (anti-democratic), since the people were not elected. Fact. Try to refute.


                  One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
                  Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
                  Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 19: 33
                    0
                    One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
                    Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
                    Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?

                    The dictatorship was not the proletariat, but simply a dictatorship. Citizens did not elect their representatives to the authorities (councils of all levels), and the councils themselves did not have the full power, as they were subordinate to the course of the only legal political party.

                    Rights and freedoms are guaranteed: freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. Now the authorities are regularly elected on an alternative basis, there is no single official ideology, media freedom (even too much).
                    Maternity capital and allowance for low-income families until the child reaches 3 years of age, bringing the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level is a reduction in social support ???

                    Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters. So make a conclusion.
                    1. free
                      free 13 August 2019 19: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: irion
                      One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
                      Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
                      Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?

                      The dictatorship was not the proletariat, but simply a dictatorship. Citizens did not elect their representatives to the authorities (councils of all levels), and the councils themselves did not have the full power, as they were subordinate to the course of the only legal political party.

                      Rights and freedoms are guaranteed: freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. Now the authorities are regularly elected on an alternative basis, there is no single official ideology, media freedom (even too much).
                      Maternity capital and allowance for low-income families until the child reaches 3 years of age, bringing the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level is a reduction in social support ???

                      Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters. So make a conclusion.


                      Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters.
                      that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?
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                      2. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 19: 55
                        0
                        that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?

                        In fact, this is the second criterion for the democracy of power. I just tried not to burden the discussion with excessive theory. But if you want, I can answer in more detail.

                        If we restrict ourselves to only the first criterion (regular alternative elections), then the answer is this: if the elected government begins to infringe on the people, then they simply will not be re-elected. )
                      3. free
                        free 13 August 2019 20: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: irion
                        that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?

                        In fact, this is the second criterion for the democracy of power. I just tried not to burden the discussion with excessive theory. But if you want, I can answer in more detail.

                        If we restrict ourselves to only the first criterion (regular alternative elections), then the answer is this: if the elected government begins to infringe on the people, then they simply will not be re-elected. )


                        The answer is detailed to the following question.
                        What kind of power can be considered by your anti-people? Only without confusion.
                      4. irion
                        irion 13 August 2019 20: 17
                        0
                        Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.
                      5. free
                        free 13 August 2019 21: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: irion
                        Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                        Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?
                      6. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 09: 06
                        0
                        Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                        It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                      7. free
                        free 13 August 2019 21: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: irion
                        Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                        List the signs of anti-people power.
                      8. irion
                        irion 15 August 2019 09: 08
                        0
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                        List the signs of anti-people power.

                        1. She is not elected in regular alternative elections with free agitation.
                        2. It is carried out without taking into account the opinion of the majority of citizens.
                      9. free
                        free 15 August 2019 16: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: irion
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                        List the signs of anti-people power.

                        1. She is not elected in regular alternative elections with free agitation.
                        2. It is carried out without taking into account the opinion of the majority of citizens.


                        You are a funny character laughing . Honestly, it's fun with you.
                        Not the one who oppresses you is bad if he is at least three times democratic. But the one who exercises dictatorship, even if he is a benefactor to the people.
                      10. irion
                        irion 16 August 2019 13: 12
                        0
                        Oppression is symptom # 2: when power is exercised without taking into account the opinions of most citizens.
                        If the opinion of the majority by the authorities is taken into account, then where is the oppression? )))
                      11. free
                        free 16 August 2019 20: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: irion
                        Oppression is symptom # 2: when power is exercised without taking into account the opinions of most citizens.
                        If the opinion of the majority by the authorities is taken into account, then where is the oppression? )))


                        You know, I have no groundless doubts that people are willing to voluntarily give up old-age pensions, that most of them are for raising the retirement age, for monetizing benefits, for increasing housing and communal services, tariffs, for canceling direct elections of governors, etc. d.
                        So what about the opinion of the majority?
            2. free
              free 13 August 2019 12: 48
              -2
              Quote: irion
              COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
              The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

              The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
              The CPSU, which no one elected.
              There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
              Anti-people power as it is.


              The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
              The CPSU, which no one elected.

              Since what year was this form of government formed?

              Anti-people power as it is.
              Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 August 2019 14: 25
                +1
                Quote: free
                The CPSU was its core

                To the top of the party, many questions have very unpleasant! Especially for the late period of her activity!
                So we will not make "saints" of them. They did not save the Great Country !!! There is guilt .... the truth is to judge and now there is no one to pass a sentence, but it's a pity!
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              3. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 19: 36
                0
                Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.

                Mass repressions, lack of freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. this is how it infringes on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. Or is it very democratic in your universe?
                1. free
                  free 13 August 2019 19: 42
                  0
                  Quote: irion
                  Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.

                  Mass repressions, lack of freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. this is how it infringes on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. Or is it very democratic in your universe?


                  We are not now comparing the USSR and the Russian Federation, if that.
                  I'm just trying to understand your criterion for the anti-nationality of power.
                  By the way, in modern Russia is power anti-people?
                  1. irion
                    irion 13 August 2019 19: 45
                    0
                    This is exactly what is being discussed in this thread.
                    The criteria are given above: regular general alternative elections.
              4. irion
                irion 13 August 2019 21: 26
                0
                Since what year was this form of government formed?

                Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.
                1. free
                  free 13 August 2019 21: 45
                  0
                  Quote: irion
                  Since what year was this form of government formed?

                  Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


                  Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?
                  1. irion
                    irion 15 August 2019 09: 13
                    +1
                    It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                    Quote: free
                    Quote: irion
                    Since what year was this form of government formed?

                    Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


                    Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                    It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                    1. free
                      free 15 August 2019 16: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: irion
                      It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                      Quote: free
                      Quote: irion
                      Since what year was this form of government formed?

                      Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


                      Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                      It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


                      So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?
                      1. irion
                        irion 16 August 2019 13: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Since what year was this form of government formed?

                        Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


                        Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                        It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


                        So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?

                        You scream here.
                        Introducing and indexing maternity capital, indexing pensions, benefits, scholarships, equating the minimum wage to the subsistence minimum, introducing benefits to low-income families with many children until the child reaches 3 years of age, is this called "social services are cut from year to year"? )
                        We discuss the decisions made, not the proposals.
                      2. free
                        free 16 August 2019 20: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: irion
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: irion
                        Since what year was this form of government formed?

                        Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


                        Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                        It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


                        So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?

                        You scream here.
                        Introducing and indexing maternity capital, indexing pensions, benefits, scholarships, equating the minimum wage to the subsistence minimum, introducing benefits to low-income families with many children until the child reaches 3 years of age, is this called "social services are cut from year to year"? )
                        We discuss the decisions made, not the proposals.


                        Fine. Let's start with pensions. How much has it been indexed there this year?
          2. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 30
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            This is on your .... stamp somewhere, but I have the COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!

            I don’t see the connection in your statement with mine .. A stamp in a specific context - a psychological stamp, an image, did not understand but furiously rushed to denounce?
            Quote: rocket757
            The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

            This is about what about the Soviet? Those on your "steamer of intellectuals" are not the people ?, "Kulaks" are not the people? "White" are not the people? (I will not even remind you of those who, at 37, left under the article before, they will remind you of them without me). We can also talk about the legal status of collective farmers (having a passport). Or let's remember how the "people's" government sent Tatars or those Chechens to the steppe?Of course you can pull an owl on the globe once you like the process but in fact there was a different attitude towards the same Soviet power, in different regions and in different groups of islands in different periods of history, there is enough propaganda from yourself to erupt, you are our Vesuvius.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 13 August 2019 14: 20
              +1
              Quote: Sunstorm
              Enough of spewing propaganda from yourself, Vesuvius you ours.

              Better to be Vesuvius than stinky ........
              I didn’t throw dirt at anyone, he answered when they took out a nonsense .... unreasonably / not proved that something was being carried.
              The propaganda is ALL, confirm rarely said.
              Tatars sent on what basis, for what?
              From the Caucasian peoples who was expelled and for what? Lithuanians, zapadennye- Bandera for what?
              On any topic there are documents, justifications ....... lawlessness was not there.
              Another thing is that dubious provisions were enshrined in the laws, ideology leaked everywhere! It is necessary to understand, carefully look at what and why it was!
              Then, and with what to compare ??? If with any International? Are you sure that against their background our laws will look worse? Yes, and different actions, for all a lot. Look, compare.
              ALL are the most, the most, democratic ...... I don’t remember there, but here I remember!
              Is it worth it to climb to us, since the skeletons themselves have enough in the closet.
              And we ourselves must carefully consider our history and finally decide what was done and why! It's time to put a point over E, without any advisers!
    2. dirk182
      dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 19
      +3
      What is the habit of "Ukrainizing" all events in Russia? This is me about "jumping".
      1. yehat
        yehat 12 August 2019 15: 26
        +8
        yes because nauseously it seems
        go to YouTube and see the old Maidan.
        I do not see the differences. Is that instead of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, we have Lesha Navalnenko and Julia Sobolenko.
        there are other "forces" too, but most call for grotesque absurd things.
        smart people in protest who understand what's what, it’s good if 1 out of 50 and their words are drowning in obscurantism, which is predictably gaining momentum.
        1. dirk182
          dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 29
          -4
          I do not watch "Maidana". I'm not interested in this
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 12 August 2019 15: 59
            +3
            Quote: dirk182
            I do not watch "Maidana". I'm not interested in this

            That's exactly why you ask, um, talented questions:

            Quote: dirk182
            What is the habit of "Ukrainizing" all events in Russia? This is me about "jumping"
        2. Alex_You
          Alex_You 12 August 2019 16: 04
          +7
          Unlike never:

          1. karabass
            karabass 12 August 2019 17: 43
            +8
            Yes, you’re right, they can grow stronger in the struggle And how prisons will mate and the National Guard will not be afraid of them And our government, instead of seeking decent salaries for people, is spewing patriotic sugar vomit from the TV. I'm afraid to play out
            1. irion
              irion 13 August 2019 08: 03
              +1
              Quote: karabass
              And our government, instead of seeking decent salaries for people, is spewing patriotic sugar vomit from the TV. I'm afraid to play out

              The government should provide a salary increase ??? Power sets the minimum wage taking into account the capabilities of the economy. Its tasks in the socio-economic sphere are 1) to create conditions for economic growth; 2) to pay pensions and benefits to needy categories of the population.
              1. karabass
                karabass 13 August 2019 20: 15
                +1
                That's right you write; they do not create conditions (for 20 years they couldn’t) and pay miserable pensions and allowances
                I think the power should be changed to a more competent
                1. irion
                  irion 13 August 2019 21: 09
                  -1
                  That's right you write; they do not create conditions (for 20 years they could not)

                  GDP is growing.
        3. Harry.km
          Harry.km 12 August 2019 21: 33
          0
          Quote: yehat
          yes because nauseously it seems
          go to YouTube and see the old Maidan.

          Everything is new, it’s a well-forgotten old ...))
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 12 August 2019 15: 34
        +6
        Quote: dirk182
        What is the habit of "Ukrainizing" all events in Russia? This is me about "jumping".

        It’s a painfully similar scenario. They don’t even change him. Apparently works well
    3. Dym71
      Dym71 12 August 2019 15: 21
      +16
      Quote: yehat
      Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?

      There will be confidence, and with it an occasion to convene the next rally, then more and more, there will be problems, there are enough of them, no doubt, only the current opposition does not look like a creative force, from the word at all, more like destroyers and treacherous people.
      To destroy, only one desire to destroy is enough.
      And to build ...
      There is already not enough. Here you need to work.
      Therefore, we have an unfinished - do not count! (with)
      hi
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 15: 43
      0
      Quote: yehat
      Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?

      And what would change if they did not change the article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the article would read like this:
      Article 81
      3. One and the same person may not hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation for more than two terms contract.

      belay
      Perhaps there would not have been a criminal case under the deputy governor of the Irkutsk region ... And a lot of things would not have burned down and did not drown ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 August 2019 16: 07
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The same person cannot hold the office of President of the Russian Federation for more than two consecutive terms.

        So the country is big, big. That increased the term ... Like the deputies. I remember how Zhirik was yelling about this.
      2. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 08: 05
        +3
        Nobody in the Constitution has changed this norm.
        The term of presidential powers was changing: from 4 years was increased to 6.
    5. Digital error
      Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 23
      0
      Quote: yehat
      This is terrible. There is only 2 step left to the pots on the head and the puke of dignity.

      That's all right. In the absence of an alternative (real opposition), the protest moods are consolidated by Navalny - there is simply no one else. As soon as a new "left" political force appears, they will forget about Navalny. The author of the video under the note is an activist of the Essence of Time social movement, which collected and submitted to the presidential administration a million living signatures against the pension reform, which were ignored, but people remember this.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 13 August 2019 07: 30
        +2
        Quote: DigitalError
        collected and handed over to the Presidential Administration a million live signatures against pension reform, which were ignored

        Read the law on the referendum in the Russian Federation? Read, informative.

        Quote: DigitalError
        people remember this

        Well, then I'm not a people. I do not remember request
        And the people with whom I communicate are also not people. They don’t remember either what
        And the people with whom the people with whom I communicate are also not people. Continue?

        Do not take too much on yourself, stands, damn it, folk? wink
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 48
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Read the law on the referendum in the Russian Federation?

          The referendum was "blurred" by creating pseudo-initiative groups, which, with a high degree of probability, merged everything. And you are well aware of this. Well, that is, it is not known to you or your friends or their acquaintances, which in itself does not mean that this was not wink Do not leave the topic - they were just ignored - the president didn’t react, but turned to him, including stretching the corresponding banner in a straight line.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Well, then I'm not a people

          The people, the people. Just not included in the 84% that I talked about, with preferences and a worldview that is different from most.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Do not take too much on yourself, stands, damn it, folk?

          This is called an active civic position. If someone doesn't like her, that's fine wink
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 13 August 2019 07: 59
            +2
            Quote: DigitalError
            The referendum was "blurred" by creating pseudo-initiative groups, which, with a high degree of probability ...

            ... understandably. Hiley Likely.

            What is the bottom line, the stands? Of the required two million signatures, half were collected. You’re also bargaining like that in a store - like, I'll give you half, and I definitely have the second? laughing

            Quote: DigitalError
            they were just ignored

            Cool. What was supposed to happen?

            Quote: DigitalError
            The people, the people. Just not included in those 84%

            It's funny In addition to a certain number of Internet entities, for some reason I do not observe such people. 84%, say? Strange strange what

            Quote: DigitalError
            This is called an active civic position.

            This is called not watching the broom. Nobody pushed for you speak on behalf of the people. I, for one, didn’t do it for sure.
            1. Digital error
              Digital error 13 August 2019 08: 19
              -2
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              For example, I didn’t

              On behalf of the people, if I speak, I refer to the results of the poll, the link to which I already gave you (85000 people took part in it - with all due respect, you do not have that many friends). To express my own opinion, I do not need your "authorized" approval - this is a platform for discussions, nothing more. The elections will decide everything.
      2. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 08: 08
        +3
        As soon as a new "left" political force appears

        Why is it necessarily left? Liberalism is also a left-wing political ideology. And conservatism is right.
    6. Prahlad
      Prahlad 12 August 2019 21: 53
      -2
      Bulk everything will change for the better! Don't even doubt it
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 August 2019 05: 19
        +4
        Quote: Prahlad
        Bulk everything will change for the better! Don't even doubt it

        No, not even for a JOKE, does not roll.
  5. Loess
    Loess 12 August 2019 15: 12
    +10
    The author of the video believes that the power itself built this design, moreover, consciously.
    Does the author of the video have a surname? And somehow I did not admit it ... And yet, maybe now I am "apolitically speaking," but only one thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... People have nothing to do ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 15: 58
      +7
      Quote: Less
      but a single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do ...

      good
      They would have to get off the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until the age of 60-65, and they took all the yards with cars. A decent pedestrian has nowhere to go - either Lada-Kalina's are yellow, or Urals with a sidecar and an engine from a German manufacturer are dissected. Have a look at RenTV and go to Bolotnaya. It’s as if it’s smeared with honey or payments on vouchers and deposits are being made ... They are fussing, vigorous-anhydrite ... No go to give birth to children - in a country with working hands it is stressful, as well as with jobs ... belay In a word, the principle of continuity of generations in the payment of pensions was violated ... And here are those who are dissatisfied.
      Maybe they are Protestants in life? I remember this trend in Christianity, which is a combination of independent churches, church unions and denominations ... Ah! It’s in England, but it’ll be cleaner here ...
      You can go to extinguish the taiga ... With backpack fire extinguishers and ointment from mosquitoes against bears ... belay No, but ... They’re twisting along the asphalt (paved) pedestrian path and the roadway in search of the beautiful - well-trained blow with a baton ..
      Yes, they have nothing to do ...
      hi
      1. Loess
        Loess 12 August 2019 16: 15
        -1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        They should get out of the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until 60-65 years

        And that is true! But it’s easier to go to rallies, right? I won’t know how many years before they worked when no one had ever heard of pensions? Could you tell?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There is no need to give birth to children - in a country with working hands it is tense, as well as with jobs ...

        Why not give birth? Instead of rallies, then? It is, as it were, laid down by nature and it's not so scary to wait for a pension, eh? Or are the children "to live for themselves" interfere? Neither you will escape to the rally, nor will you change your car again? Well, the trouble is straightforward ... Is there no work? Look around, there will be enough work for a hundred years ahead. And the fact that not everyone is paid as oligarchs is a matter of salaries, not jobs. Why replace one concept with another, eh?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        It’s in England, but it’ll be cleaner here ...
        You can go to stew the taiga ...

        Where does the taiga come from in England? Or are you talking about ours? Yes, if there was nothing to do, then they could have gone and put out. Any trip and accommodation is cheaper than a seedy iPhone for money. Again, it's a useful thing. But they don't, the radishes are not good. They cannot move far from their "sofa". And what kind of PR for the protesters would be, eh? It’s not with bikers in the Urals, right? But it seems that such a PR protesters in FIG is not needed. You have to work there, and not hang out under the cameras, right? While the camera is not a problem these days, what remains? That's right - they don't want to do a shit, period. Now, if someone did for them, then they with all their souls, and so the current remains to go to the rallies ...
        Quote: ROSS 42
        They are twisted along an asphalt (paved) footpath and roadway in search of a beautiful - well-trained blow with a police baton ..

        Well, he who seeks will find! I hope no one goes deprived !!! hi
        PS By the way, a fat plus for your sense of humor and the absence of meaningless slogans)
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 12 August 2019 16: 29
          +2
          They should get out of the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until 60-65 years

          And that is true! But it’s easier to go to rallies, right? I won’t know how many years before they worked when no one had ever heard of pensions? Do not tell me? ...... And what about the 15-18 tyrov modestly kept silent, did not comment ... wink
        2. free
          free 12 August 2019 19: 39
          0
          Quote: Less
          And the fact that not everyone, like the oligarchs, is paid, is a question of salaries, not jobs.


          And the question of jobs and their salaries is where and to whom? What determines the amount of salaries?
          1. Den1989
            Den1989 13 August 2019 14: 05
            +1
            Your qualifications and skills determine the "salary amounts".
            1. free
              free 13 August 2019 18: 26
              -1
              Quote: Den1989
              Your qualifications and skills determine the "salary amounts".


              Do you yourself calculate the salary based on your qualifications and experience?
              1. Den1989
                Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 40
                +1
                No. Based on my qualifications and experience, I move up the career ladder and make money.
                1. free
                  free 14 August 2019 21: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: Den1989
                  No. Based on my qualifications and experience, I move up the career ladder and make money.


                  So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary. And what affects?
                  1. Den1989
                    Den1989 15 August 2019 10: 29
                    +1
                    It is my qualifications and experience that influence the opportunity to be in the position that I occupy. Accordingly, depending on what position I am, I receive such a salary. Accordingly, it is my qualifications and experience that directly affect my salary. In my opinion, everything is logical. I do not understand where this conclusion comes from: "So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary."
                    1. free
                      free 15 August 2019 16: 25
                      -2
                      Quote: Den1989
                      It is my qualifications and experience that influence the opportunity to be in the position that I occupy. Accordingly, depending on what position I am, I receive such a salary. Accordingly, it is my qualifications and experience that directly affect my salary. In my opinion, everything is logical. I do not understand where this conclusion comes from: "So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary."


                      Are you an employee? If so, your employer determines the level of payment. Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profit, regardless of your experience or qualifications?
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 15 August 2019 16: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: free
                        Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profits regardless of your experience or qualifications?

                        Yes Easy. Only I can just as easily take away from him for a salary, one and a half times as much.

                        Believe it or not, it works. And for some reason no one cuts my salary, although difficulties with "profit" have already happened and now there are yes
                      2. free
                        free 15 August 2019 16: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: free
                        Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profits regardless of your experience or qualifications?

                        Yes Easy. Only I can just as easily take away from him for a salary, one and a half times as much.

                        Believe it or not, it works. And for some reason no one cuts my salary, although difficulties with "profit" have already happened and now there are yes


                        And since it can easily. It means not your experience and qualification affects the level of salary, but profit, its growth or decline. And your experience and qualification affect your attractiveness to the employer on the labor exchange.
                        That's so mister Den1989.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 15 August 2019 17: 09
                        0
                        Quote: free
                        And since it can easily ...

                        I don’t understand what is bad with you - with reading, or with reading comprehension:

                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        ... for some reason no one cuts my salary, although difficulties with "profit" have already happened and now there are

                        That is - theoretically - it can. Practically - prefers not to do this.

                        So clearer? wink
                      4. free
                        free 15 August 2019 18: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: free
                        And since it can easily ...

                        I don’t understand what is bad with you - with reading, or with reading comprehension:

                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        ... for some reason no one cuts my salary, although difficulties with "profit" have already happened and now there are

                        That is - theoretically - it can. Practically - prefers not to do this.

                        So clearer? wink


                        In fact, you chat for free. Apparently your product has fallen in price.
                      5. Den1989
                        Den1989 16 August 2019 15: 19
                        +1
                        And your attractiveness for the employer affects your salary. So, comrade is free.
                      6. free
                        free 16 August 2019 20: 26
                        -3
                        Quote: Den1989
                        And your attractiveness for the employer affects your salary. So, comrade is free.

                        Your attractiveness increases your chances that the employer will choose you, nothing more. The employer assumes that the more qualified and experienced the more profitable for him. This is the amount of profit that determines your salary. Profit determines your salary and nothing more.
                        Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications other than a way to make a profit.
                      7. Den1989
                        Den1989 21 August 2019 14: 00
                        +1
                        Themselves read what you write: "the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit", "this amount of profit determines your salary." Those. my qualifications affect his profit, and that, in turn, affects my salary. Thus, my qualifications affect my salary, which I tried to explain to you many messages ago. For some reason, you refuse to understand the obvious, and continue the argument for the sake of the argument.

                        "Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications otherwise as a way to make a profit."
                        Like I do not need an employer, otherwise as a way to get paid. This is a normal business relationship between employer and employee.
                      8. free
                        free 24 August 2019 18: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Den1989
                        Themselves read what you write: "the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit", "this amount of profit determines your salary." Those. my qualifications affect his profit, and that, in turn, affects my salary. Thus, my qualifications affect my salary, which I tried to explain to you many messages ago. For some reason, you refuse to understand the obvious, and continue the argument for the sake of the argument.

                        "Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications otherwise as a way to make a profit."
                        Like I do not need an employer, otherwise as a way to get paid. This is a normal business relationship between employer and employee.


                        Suppose you, at your highest level of skill, were unable to make a profit for your employer? What will determine your salary then?

                        Read yourself what you write: "the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit"
                        You missed the word suggests.By taking you to work, the employer assumes only the profit that you will bring to him, and charges you a salary based on the amount of actually received profit.
                      9. Den1989
                        Den1989 7 September 2019 15: 16
                        0
                        Suppose you, at your highest level of skill, were unable to make a profit for your employer? What will determine your salary then?
                        The situation in which a skilled worker brings as much income to an employer as a non-qualified one is abnormal in my opinion, and I see no reason to consider it.
                        When you take you to work, the employer assumes only the profit that you will bring to him, and charges you a salary based on the amount of actually received profit.
                        If you work informally or such conditions are specified in your contract, then yes. But if the employer has concluded an employment contract with you indicating the salary (as is usually the case with skilled workers) - then no. It all depends on different conditions and factors. Our argument has dragged on for a bit. We began with the fact that you doubted my opinion that the salary depends on the qualifications of the employee. In my opinion, this is obvious and you haven’t brought a single significant counterargument. I remained with my opinion, you, obviously, with yours. I am not interested in an argument for the sake of argument, so perhaps I will stop this dialogue. Although in my opinion you simply do not want to admit the obvious and stubbornly try to give exceptional examples. Any rule has exceptions, which does not cancel the rule itself.
                      10. Den1989
                        Den1989 16 August 2019 15: 17
                        +1
                        Yes, I'm an employee. And in the case of the situation you described, I can quit and find a job with a decent, in my opinion, payment for my labor (if the decrease in the employer's profit has been delayed). Nobody keeps anyone anywhere. If you receive a small salary, while having high qualifications and experience, then something needs to be changed. If you cannot do this, then it’s in you. No-job statements are excuses. Take your family and move where you are. I live in Crimea, and so we have it, and it is not necessary to go to Moscow, and life outside the Moscow Ring Road does not end.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 45
        +5
        In Moscow for 15-18 tyr? I beg you: in the capital for this amount, the homeless will not be scratched. And judging by the well-fed barracks of the protesters, this money is for them a couple of dinners in a restaurant. The whole world is hungry and slaves, yeah. Which are heavier than a fountain pen, did not hold anything.
        1. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 12 August 2019 19: 37
          +7
          You also need to be able to hold a fountain pen in your hands. Freshmen of Novosibirsk University, who do not run around rallies, but make the country's future, will receive a scholarship of 20500 rubles. They are interested in "plowing" at the laboratory table, and not making faces in a police van.
          1. Revival
            Revival 12 August 2019 20: 07
            -2
            And then many will leave for that very west .. great huh?
            1. Tatyana Pershina
              Tatyana Pershina 13 August 2019 14: 25
              +1
              They offer, but the guys not only do not want to go for the cordon, but also to Moscow.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 04: 44
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana Pershina
            Freshmen at Novosibirsk University, who are not running around rallies, but are doing the future of the country, will receive an 20500 rub.

            How long? It looks like zvezdezh and provocation. belay
            1. Tatyana Pershina
              Tatyana Pershina 13 August 2019 14: 23
              0
              Go to the uni site. Of course, not everyone will receive so much, but only those who EARNED such a right.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 14: 33
                +2
                Quote: Tatiana Pershina
                who EARNED such a right.

                I dug ditches ... laid a brick ... repaired tanks and trucks ... Where, my mother, is money, in kind ?!
      3. irion
        irion 13 August 2019 08: 09
        +3
        By the way, yes.
    2. Digital error
      Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 27
      +4
      Quote: Less
      Does the author of the video have a surname? And somehow I didn’t recognize

      Andrey Malakhov, activist of the leftist social movement Essence of Time. He has a lot of interesting videos on his channel, for example, an excellent overview of our tax system:
      1. Loess
        Loess 12 August 2019 21: 41
        -3
        Quote: DigitalError
        Andrey Malakhov, activist of the leftist social movement "The Essence of Time"

        Thank you, although, most likely, tomorrow I will forget about him ...
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: Less
          tomorrow I will forget about him

          It's my pleasure. The activists who collected a million living signatures against the pension reform and handed them over to the presidential administration, while the rest (the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR) "chewed snot" - you need to know by sight hi
      2. eckons
        eckons 14 August 2019 11: 24
        0
        Listen, this is complete nonsense what he says. He either does not understand, or it is much more likely that he is deliberately lying. Each time he says "we" pay, but it is not we who pay, but the employer. These are the fighters against the regime that the left and the right are dragging you to Sakhorov. And on the basis of such videos, you have already started to do a revolution.
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 14 August 2019 12: 23
          -1
          Quote: eckons
          not we pay, but the employer

          At the expense of funds underpaid to the employee. Do you propose transferring this function from the employer to the employee so that taxes across the country are recovered through the courts?
          You are confusing cause with effect. "Revolution" is provoked by those who deny people a fair distribution of benefits (including from trading in "national treasure" - oil and gas). And those whom you call "revolutionaries" are trying to draw the attention of those responsible for the distribution of persons to this in order to prevent another collapse of statehood.
  6. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 18
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..

    The Russian Guard is already more than 300 thousand. To disperse the rally in the photo, 2-3 hundred employees are enough.
    They are able to disperse a million and not only to disperse - they have heavy military equipment, they can also roll a thin layer into the bar.
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 31
      +3
      If the rallies are dispersed in a similar way .... then what kind of power can we talk about. Your description is very suitable for what our ancestors fought against.
      1. yehat
        yehat 12 August 2019 15: 34
        -3
        Quote: dirk182
        Your description is very suitable for what our ancestors fought against.

        picket in front of your city hall
        What is the likelihood that negotiators in suits will come up to you, but a couple of strong guys in body armor? So you will see what the ancestors fought for.
        1. dirk182
          dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 40
          -1
          We have single pickets constantly. And they stand quietly. Strong guys still need to get there from the regional center) I have a different opinion about "my" guys. In fact, there are only guardsmen from the center for the entire region. And, whatever one may say, if the region raises the noise of their forces and means, oh how little it will be
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 13 August 2019 04: 15
            +3
            From Moscow will be sent if necessary. In Vladivostok, at one time, so dispersed rallies in support of the right-hand drive. Local riot police refused to participate in it, sent Muscovites.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 27
        -4
        The Chinese dispersed. Elegant and efficient. This is our fuss.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 12 August 2019 23: 10
          +2
          The Chinese and Chubais do not hold government posts, but shoot at stadiums. fool
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 13 August 2019 14: 10
            -1
            Yes, if you came from a foreign clan, then - a bullet in the back of the head. What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull. China is a clan society.
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 13 August 2019 00: 36
          +1
          The Chinese dispersed. Elegant and efficient. This is our fuss.
          The Chinese are already 9 weeks can not reassure Hong Kong .....
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 13 August 2019 04: 16
            +3
            In Hong Kong, the authorities themselves are to blame. There was no need to escalate. Hong Kong is in a special position, and now they are trying to equalize it with the rest of the Chinese provinces.
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 13 August 2019 04: 21
              0
              There was no need to escalate. Hong Kong is in a special position, and now they are trying to equalize it with the rest of the Chinese provinces.
              And what is wrong?? belay All are equal, committed a crime, please answer. What is such a "special position" in which you can hide from justice ??
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 04
        -3
        Quote: dirk182
        If the rallies are dispersed in a similar way .... then what kind of power can we talk about

        The Chinese at one time did not stint on this topic. And rightly, as it turned out, they did.

        Yanukovych mumbled, and as it turned out, did wrong.

        Need more examples?
      4. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 37
        +2
        You etA, rEvAlutsionEry .... when you go "to take power into your own hands," seize the White House, it is very convenient to shoot at it from tanks and other equipment. laughing
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 36
      +6
      Quote: yehat
      they can also be rolled into a bruschatka with a thin layer.

      Of course they can, but if they roll half a million into the bars, it can smell like a civil war. Isn’t it better for leaders of the sovereigns to listen to the population and restrain their appetites? Why escalate, I personally do not understand.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 15: 54
        -6
        Quote: Svarog
        if half a million is rolled into the bar

        Have you already delivered cookies, half a million?

        Quote: Svarog
        Isn't it better for leaders of the sovereigns to listen to the population

        This is to those that require Crimea to return? And Smolensk at the same time? belay

        Svarog, the skin was changed, no way? wink
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 58
          +5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Svarog, the skin was changed, no way?

          He returned to the former ..
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          This is to those that require Crimea to return? And Smolensk at the same time?

          No, I’m talking about others .. You know, I am a supporter of collecting Russian lands .. And a great adversary, when they give them and forgive everyone their debts .. as well as I am for legality, social justice and order.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 12 August 2019 16: 18
            -9
            Quote: Svarog
            He returned to the former ..

            Does not press, does not rub? Hunter, pancake, underwater laughing

            Quote: Svarog
            I am a supporter of the collection of Russian lands ..

            And have you gathered a lot already?

            Quote: Svarog
            And a great adversary, when they are given back and forgiven by all debts ..

            And in general - you are for all the good, and against all the bad.

            This I know ... Underwater ... pah, Svarog laughing
      2. Alexander Ra
        Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 20: 27
        +3
        It would be nice to clarify - the reaction of the authorities to undermining (the function of the bulk managers in this) and the relationship of the antagonism of power and people. The conversation will be different.
      3. vik669
        vik669 12 August 2019 21: 36
        0
        half a million in a pavement is problematic - the instinct of self-preservation works for the fighters, but not the Ukrainian version - it can smell like a civil war, and with Chinese shit it smells and stops, but it is better not to bring it to this and not look for adventures on their own. will not seem to the fighters and those for whom they are "fighting"!
    3. NordOst16
      NordOst16 12 August 2019 16: 01
      +4
      They can, but then, God forbid, the population will take up arms (of which there are not so many people in our hands as in the United States, of course, but also decent), then the authorities will be rolling into the bar. And since our rebellion is often senseless and merciless, everything will burn. God forbid this to happen again, apparently on the basis of this, the authorities are afraid to cross the line, and it’s not so bad in the Russian Federation yet.
      But why get to that?
    4. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 20
      -1
      Quote: yehat
      They are able to disperse a million and not only to disperse - they have heavy military equipment, they can also roll a thin layer into the bar.

      As if there is no world practice to use the army to restore order .. if the National Guard and the police cannot cope .. I don’t know what kind of world dreamers live in, dreaming that half a million citizens would go against the government ... they clearly do not imagine the consequences. Apparently this is due to the fact that at school the teachers did not form a "causal relationship" in their heads.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 16: 54
        +3
        Quote: Sunstorm
        Apparently this is due to the fact that in school, teachers did not form in their heads a "causal relationship".

        They did not form a causal relationship, and they did not instill in you a love of the Russian language in terms of verbs of a perfect and imperfect form ... lol
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 01
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Sunstorm
          Apparently this is due to the fact that in school, teachers did not form in their heads a "causal relationship".

          Man, what did you say wrong? All right laughing
          1. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 38
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Man, what did you say wrong? All right

            Is this to a colleague "ROSS 42"
            And here, according to my assumption, people are sure that if you gather a larger crowd and scream louder .. tomorrow there will be HAPPINESS. Somehow they miss the moment that follows between the gathering of the crowd and the onset of the period of HAPPINESS.
            Maybe they do not miss it, but imagine him somehow vaguely, wrong? .. "in the form of butterflies that poop like a rainbow."
        2. Sunstorm
          Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 33
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          They did not form a causal relationship, and they did not instill in you a love of the Russian language in terms of verbs of a perfect and imperfect form ...

          so there is something to hide, languages ​​are my most unloved subject) as of now, I remember the tears of my rusyasitsa)
      2. Revival
        Revival 12 August 2019 18: 39
        +4
        I think it’s not a fact that the army will do just that, and if there is a misfire here, then there will already be nothing to do.
        Read about the development of the February revolution, let’s say so every minute, about which event became one of the turning points unexpectedly
    5. dirk182
      dirk182 12 August 2019 16: 49
      0
      And also machine guns, sniper rifles, etc. etc. But nothing like a peaceful rally? Not? Are you such a coward in life? I do not apply to the Russian Guard, but in general.
    6. karabass
      karabass 12 August 2019 17: 47
      +6
      And if our powers that be bring to this, then why do they need Russia?
    7. Digital error
      Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      can roll into a bruschatka a thin layer

      First - no one could sit on bayonets for a long time (many tried) - this is extremely inconvenient.
      Second, during the Great French Revolution they used to say (I can not vouch for the accuracy of the citation): "Nothing makes the government take care of the people like the sight of the guillotine outside the window."
      1. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 40
        +2
        DigitalError (Eugene)

        Second, during the Great French Revolution they used to say (I can not vouch for the accuracy of the citation): "Nothing makes the government take care of the people like the sight of the guillotine outside the window."


        Only then did all the revolutionaries find themselves on this very guillotine bully
  7. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 20
    +5
    Quote: Less
    but one single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do

    there is simply no guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 12 August 2019 15: 37
      +3
      Good idea, but scary to try wassat
      1. vik669
        vik669 12 August 2019 21: 39
        +3
        Yesterday was early, tomorrow it will be late, and today there is no time!
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: yehat
      there is simply no guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."

      The guy with the cap in this situation is not so relevant. A guy with a mustache and a pipe with a friend in penny will be more useful ... yes
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The guy with the cap in this situation is not so relevant. A guy with a mustache and a pipe with a friend in penny will be more useful ...

        good That's right!
        1. yehat
          yehat 12 August 2019 16: 17
          +4
          a guy with a pipe and a mustache should stand behind the guy with a cap.
          without agitation, nowhere, but better Trotsky, Lenin (and by the way, Kerensky), in 17, no one could do better.
    3. free
      free 12 August 2019 19: 49
      -3
      Quote: yehat
      Quote: Less
      but one single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do

      there is simply no guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."


      I think such a party already exists!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 19: 52
        +3
        Quote: free
        I think such a party already exists!

        Are you her member, or what?
        1. free
          free 12 August 2019 23: 27
          -2
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: free
          I think such a party already exists!

          Are you her member, or what?


          Something is happening to you all the same lately, getting older is not otherwise.
          Especially for you.
          I think such a party already exists!

          No matter what I think, you are still able to catch the difference between a statement and an assumption.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 13 August 2019 13: 25
            0
            Quote: free
            Especially for you. I think ...

            Um ... that is, apparently, still not a member what

            Quote: free
            Quote: yehat
            there is simply no guy with a cap yet who will climb onto the APC and "say there is such a party".

            I think such a party has already!

            Highlighted keywords. Or you yourself do not understand what you are writing.

            Quote: free
            No matter what I think

            Go ahead. "Not looking" laughing
            1. free
              free 13 August 2019 18: 24
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: free
              Especially for you. I think ...

              Um ... that is, apparently, still not a member what

              Quote: free
              Quote: yehat
              there is simply no guy with a cap yet who will climb onto the APC and "say there is such a party".

              I think such a party has already!

              Highlighted keywords. Or you yourself do not understand what you are writing.

              Quote: free
              No matter what I think

              Go ahead. "Not looking" laughing


              Congratulations on what you can still. laughing
            2. Harry.km
              Harry.km 14 August 2019 01: 09
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Despite "

              Again, you, dear, are you annoying people by presenting your modest knowledge in Russian as an absolute? ))) How to write without looking or despite ... Oh, the cut, apparently for you the meaning is changing so much that you already allowed to tumble down, no matter what)))))) When there are no other arguments, we turn to spelling? )
      2. yehat
        yehat 13 August 2019 10: 30
        +1
        I do not see such a party
        of those who held a patriotic position and did not pass in the elections,
        I can say that we are only a little along the way, but no more - very specific programs and managers.
        And I don’t see parties where everything is clear and straightforward, where there is a program not for elections, but for the development of the country.
        In its purest form, Marxism has already become outdated, and mistakes have been uncovered, and no one voiced the improved interpretation for which Stalin drowned.
        1. free
          free 13 August 2019 12: 52
          0
          Marxism is out of date in its purest form.
          If not difficult, write your answer to me in PM.
  8. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 30
    +9
    Quote: Dym71
    Confidence will appear, and with it an occasion to gather the next meeting, then more and more

    Well, you change 5 Sobinins in a row confidently and proudly, and what?
    What will change? Make it worse.
    Without specific political and economic goals there will be no use, even if every month shift. Because you are standing in front of the system, changing the screw in the mechanism does not change what the mechanism does.
    In addition to nihilist slogans, did this crowd have at least one specific one?
    For example, a minimum wage requirement per hour?
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 53
      +11
      Are you the mouthpiece of power? Somehow modestly then warn? I'll tell you what the rallies give. They give what power is most afraid of - CONSOLIDATION OF SOCIETY. And you do not need to be afraid of Rosguard. If you look closely, the actions of the authorities are aimed at disuniting people. This and skillful play against the security forces and civilians, the constant winding up of events in Ukraine, France (what do we care about these countries ???) And the gap is enormous between the rich and poor.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 12 August 2019 17: 14
        +3
        The reasons for popular dissatisfaction with the ruling regime are understandable, for they are the same as mine ... But many "troublemakers" have also come! And it is not clear yet who is more! I would have supported the "opposition in the person of the rally" if "Navalny and his group" were not "in charge" there! It’s scary to think about the possibility of “Navalny and his Cauads” coming to power! Then they will destroy Russia!
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        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 12 August 2019 18: 45
          +7
          , if it were not for "navalny and his company" were driving there!
          So sets also, Sobchak and kompashka. The Kremlin blows off a speck of dust so that the real opposition does not appear.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 13 August 2019 01: 05
            +5
            Quote: Gardamir
            The Kremlin blows off a speck of dust so that the real opposition does not appear.

            I have already expressed a similar opinion once on the VO page. Relatively recently, the popularity of Navalny was determined in percentage terms of less than 10 ... But how long will it be? And what if the "opposition movement" does not roll according to the "Kremlin scenario"? As the saying goes, "Revolutions are made by the people, but their fruits, as a rule, are enjoyed by villains and adventurers. Such is the history of mankind ...
            Therefore, when overthrowing someone, first make sure that no more evil will come in their place! "
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 12 August 2019 22: 25
        +2
        Quote: dirk182
        SOCIETY CONSOLIDATIONS

        Quote: dirk182
        NOT NECESSARY

        And at times I broke into a cry ... laughing Now according to Borshchev:
        Quote: dirk182
        And you do not need to be afraid of Rosguard.

        Of course, it is not necessary if you can’t arrange outrage and not engage in incitement. yes And, after all, what is typical, all the "calling" and "fearless" in most cases, when such parties take place, either do not shine at all, or quickly merge under cover, hiding behind women and even children. From such fighters! good wassat
        1. dirk182
          dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 10
          -5
          Well done! Your "woof" is counted !!!
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 13 August 2019 01: 20
            +3
            Some now cattle freshman went ... request Okay, vacation is ending soon. laughing
            1. dirk182
              dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 42
              -2
              One Seryozha has already run out. Now the whole country knows him, for the girl's blow to the liver. Probably at that moment he felt like a hero in a mask. But it turned out differently and the mask did not save. There is only one conclusion: "Even in a mask, you must remain human." How does he feel now ??? When there are hundreds of angry comments under the video. And he hardly wanted such a future for himself.
    2. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 22
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      What will change? Make it worse.

      this is the whole plan - to make it worse - to cause more discontent - to bring out more people - to arrange a coup ... the obvious scheme
      1. Revival
        Revival 12 August 2019 19: 04
        +2
        It is precisely the "coup" that is definitely not needed.
    3. Dym71
      Dym71 12 August 2019 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      Well, you change 5 Sobinins in a row confidently and proudly, and what?

      You misinterpreted my comment.
      Nobody is going to displace five of them, the opposition wants to be king with minimal labor costs, like the "Rose Revolution", so that they can eat a fish and ride a boat.
      Quote: yehat
      Without concrete political and economic goals there will be no use

      Not only the goals, I would like to look at the result, albeit small in the country, but positive, but so far only one can hear it.
  9. Pacifist
    Pacifist 12 August 2019 15: 37
    +5
    Last Saturday, about 50 thousand participants gathered on Sakharov Avenue

    Lies, 0.1% of the city’s population gathered at the rally, of which about half came just for the sake of traffic and hype. The rest are convinced and out of a desire to spoil the country, including arrived maydaunov and mentally retarded revolutionaries. Do not like this opinion? It's a pity. Personally, I do not care about all this wretched hangout. Since, if people know how to work correctly with information and numbers, and also know the story, they scream sadly at the slogans that they raise and sprinkle with saliva.
  10. frols
    frols 12 August 2019 15: 40
    +3
    So explain if everything is so bad, why are there so few protesters, and if these protesters are evil for Russia, then why are the majority silent. They are sitting on TV with popcorn and waiting for a repetition of the nineties?
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 21: 35
      +2
      Quote: frols
      why the majority is silent

      The threshold for the inclusion of national unity (or the norm of reaction) is very high, there is a plus in this - protection from stupidity. Apparently, this threshold has not been exceeded yet, although the position of the population (others will speak for themselves about their own, Russian) and its prospects are already disastrous. A collective creative act is needed, relevant. The act is not only one-time, but also the activation of a new type of behavior, not only individually active, but also socially costly.
      Something worthwhile will be done collectively, communally, artificially. We can only move the body, crystal, coherence. The temptation - "break through" alone - should be bored, as well as the temptation to catch a fish in troubled waters. These temptations were prompted, in particular, by humanism - putting a person in the center, abandoning theocentrism, that is, recognizing priority higher laws - biosocial, environmental. The living is characterized by the primacy of the whole over the parts, and not vice versa. Humanism, protruding ego - as an ideology - destroys states, traditions, family through emancipation, thereby preparing some social organisms-traditions for their assimilation (assimilation) by other organisms. Do not put our understanding of humanity in someone else's clothes. And be extremely careful with all sorts of newcomers.
      The threshold is not exceeded, but, of course, the people’s internal work is going on, apparently, some necessary components are being assembled. Breaking - not building - does not fit, they understand this. When together they whisper to say - “It will be so” - and so it will be.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 21: 43
        0
        Quote: Alexander Ra
        The threshold for the inclusion of national unity (or the norm of reaction) is very high, there is a plus in this - protection from stupidity. Apparently, this threshold has not been exceeded yet, although the position of the population (others will speak for themselves about their own, Russian) and its prospects are already disastrous. Collective creative act neededrelevant. The act is not only one-time, but also the activation of a new type of behavior, not only individually active, but also socially costly ...
        Something worthwhile will be done collectively, communally, artificially. We can only move the body, crystal, coherence

        Better say - against whom are you proposing to be friends?

        Only, if possible, in simple words, but I revered it, and Gridasov immediately remembered, may he not remember ... looking at night laughing
        1. Alexander Ra
          Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 21: 57
          +1
          FOR - his own shirt closer to the body.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 12 August 2019 22: 10
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Ra
            FOR - his own shirt closer to the body

            Well, everyone's "own" is different ... if you're talking about a "shirt". How then

            Quote: Alexander Ra
            We can only move the body, crystal, coherence

            This is not a crystal, but some kind of amorphous body will turn out ...

            Or do you still not agree on what? wink
            1. Alexander Ra
              Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 22: 37
              -1
              Yes. I listen to music, I love, you see, baroque.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 13 August 2019 07: 02
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Ra
                Yes. I listen to music, I love, you see, baroque.

                Broke, the bucket breaks ... but how beautifully it started - you can listen laughing
            2. dirk182
              dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 13
              0
              "Everyone has their own different" So you decide who "yours", and then pour rhetorical questions. Nobody will do this for you.
  11. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 48
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    civil war can smell

    and the decline of the indigenous population at half a million a year - is this not a war?
  12. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 50
    +1
    Quote: Pacifist
    Because if people know how to work with information correctly

    Have you forgotten that the next generation is already driving us?
    they can only calculate their maximum value in the market based on magazine articles.
  13. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 56
    +4
    Quote: dirk182
    They give what power is most afraid of - CONSOLIDATION OF SOCIETY

    these rallies give a false sense of movement and consolidation, but nothing really changes.
    Remember how carefully Zyuganov leaked activity after winning the election against Yeltsin.
    Then, too, there was a "consolidation" of society, but in reality a crowd simply gathered, which did not know what to do.
    1. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      Remember how carefully Zyuganov leaked activity after winning the election against Yeltsin.

      Zyu frankly leaked the Communist Party ... already then, and now before our eyes Ze will merge Ukraine .... But Russia will be fine. Why? Because the riot police in the photo are smiling. Because the protesters are laughing.
  14. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 15: 59
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    For this reason, I write that this measure is not working and from the field of fiction

    It is difficult to create a union and not rake it, but they began to appear. Have experience. There are positive results. Right now there is a strike of the crane operators' union.
    Their capitalists wanted to save money, hiring cheap strikebreakers. The result is known -
    the crane demolished the workers with an arrow from a height.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 17
      -1
      Quote: yehat
      Their capitalists wanted to save money, hiring cheap strikebreakers. The result is known -
      the crane demolished the workers with an arrow from a height.

      You see, they are fired by all and all matters, and they will not join other trade unions.
      1. yehat
        yehat 12 August 2019 16: 27
        +2
        crane operators lose nothing. Their work has already been devalued to the extreme. So they cannot lose.
        1. Revival
          Revival 12 August 2019 19: 09
          +1
          Unions are good.
          But to be effective, they also need to work on the problem of "cheap strikebreakers".
          1. yehat
            yehat 13 August 2019 10: 31
            +1
            they (Strehrebreher) discredited themselves by accident.
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 12 August 2019 16: 04
    +4
    The situation can be viewed from 2 "angles": 1. "The most massive protest in Moscow ..." as much as 50.000! ; 2. The "organizers" promised to gather 100.000 people ... they themselves said that 50.000 people had gathered. "Organs" counted 15.000-20.000 ... and it was stated that most of the "people" came to the "free popular musicians" so that the day off "would not be wasted"! So think for yourself ... decide for yourself ... which "angle" is "nicer" to you!
    1. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 27
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The situation can be viewed from 2 "angles"

      That is understandable, that power usually underestimates.
      That is understandable that the opposition usually overstates.
      So let's take the average of two versions 20 + 50 = 70 divided by 2 = 35 thousand. It's quite a real figure.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 13 August 2019 07: 14
        +3
        And why were the musicians there? Is it not in order to gather the crowd? belay This is not a rally. This gopota by any means tries to substitute respectable citizens under the batons. There are meetings, and "they will eat." Only they are going wrong. And the contingent there is different. Both goals and ways of achieving are clearly outlined. And this is just to show "excitement", stir up the people, raise the degree, so to speak, and cut down the loot for the organizers and report on the work done.
        In general, in my opinion, of those "tsifir" a thousand hired, a thousand succumbed to the influence, the rest came to see the concert
  16. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 16: 10
    +6
    Quote: ROSS 42
    The same person cannot occupy

    understand that changing the screw of a system does not solve a single problem created by the system.
    It solves only rust issues on this cog.
    Well, Putin will leave, in the next election with 74% of the vote Nedimon will vote for himself.
    So what? Feel better? Don't like the second? Shuvalov, Valka-Glass, etc. will follow him.
    There is a whole turn))) and you will spend all your strength to replace one with another.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 17: 11
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      understand that changing the screw of a system does not solve a single problemcreated by the system.

      But have I turned to you with a request to clarify to me the works of the classics of Marxism-Leninism? You suggest that I did not know how to protect the socialist system in the state?
      Yes, if Yeltsin, along with Zolotov, was pulled off the tank at the very beginning and some civilians were shown measures of criminal responsibility for actions against statehood, would we be picking at today's feudal oligarchic crap?
      Do you know why in modern Russia there will never be mass production? Correctly! The masses of productive forces cannot be defeated. And to disperse the millionth crowd from bloggers, students, shopping, office and others - and two fingers on the asphalt.
      It’s not necessary to exert pressure on the authorities, defend their economic demands by shouting any insults - there is a proven work strike ...
      But why these extremes? Who are they profitable for? If the authorities want to violate the constitutional, already cut-down rights of citizens, the Rosguard helps them. Then someone hinted at the possibility of using the army to restore order. Such strange guys ... Maybe they did not serve in the army and do not know what it is for ...
      I will not break copies. I will only say one thing:
      An army of donkeys led by a lion is stronger than an army of lions led by a donkey.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 22
        -7
        Quote: ROSS 42
        ROSS 42

        Especially for you - from the classics of the genre:

        Quote: A. Raikin
        “You, Fedya, are able to propagandize ... not to be.” The power in your words is great, but you ... you cannot put them apart ...

  17. Freedim
    Freedim 12 August 2019 16: 26
    +5
    Quote: yehat
    Quote: Dym71
    Confidence will appear, and with it an occasion to gather the next meeting, then more and more

    In addition to nihilist slogans, did this crowd have at least one specific one?
    For example, a minimum wage requirement per hour?


    Absolutely meaningless demand .. Well, they will require .. Well, they will even increase their salaries to 100k .. immediately a loaf of bread will cost half a thousand. Inflation always runs ahead of the engine. And due to the delta between rising prices and not keeping up with her salaries, just the huckster from the government and profit.
  18. dirk182
    dirk182 12 August 2019 16: 36
    +4
    In general, we sit quietly and wait for the second "pension reform". And belt tightening is even tighter. And then, we read "admirers" and marvel at their unimaginable imagination.
  19. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 16: 45
    +1
    Quote: FreeDIM
    Inflation always runs ahead of the engine. And due to the delta between rising prices and not keeping up with her salaries, just the huckster from the government and profit.

    you are right in part, but power can rarely quickly lower the exchange rate into the toilet
    and the precedent of a concession to power and a concrete improvement will make it possible to repeat and consolidate.
    So even a formal acceptance, any compromise that improves even a penny, is a real achievement, and the dismissal of Sobyanin is a virtual one.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 August 2019 16: 54
    +2
    There is only one question - why? Or collect the invoice for the future? Also an option.
  21. yehat
    yehat 12 August 2019 17: 18
    +4
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Yes, if Yeltsin, along with Zolotov, was pulled off the tank at the very beginning and some civilians were shown measures of criminal responsibility for actions against statehood, did we tinker with today's feudal oligarchic crap?
    Do you know why in modern Russia there will never be mass production? Correctly! the masses of productive forces cannot be defeated. And to disperse the millionth crowd from bloggers, students, shopping, office and others - and two fingers on the asphalt.

    I'm afraid you underestimate the decay processes that Gorbachev launched.
    I am now inclined to think that only a very close-knit group with the full help of the KGB and the controlling majority of the local people could change the situation of disintegration. And at that time there was such fermentation that it was impossible to put together such strength quickly. Indeed, under Gorbachev the processes of collapse of all state mechanisms were already growing. When Yeltsin came to power, he discovered a very depressing picture.
    I remember the excitement of the local godfathers who privatized the most delicious infrastructure, they did not yet know that very soon they would fall under the distribution of raspberry jackets.
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 19
      0
      Apparently from this drank. From a depressing picture. Suffered for the people.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 13 August 2019 07: 23
        0
        I will never believe it am laughing
  22. Cjiobo
    Cjiobo 12 August 2019 17: 20
    -1
    Yes, what can we talk about at all. 0.04% of the country's population came out. Of these, half is easy to hang out. Normal people rested in cottages, or in parks. Let the howl check what they want. It’s just that patience will not burst in power, but in normal people, and all this liberal contingent themselves will die. Kapets are deposed. Grate the corns first to overthrow something.
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 21
      -3
      You go beyond the MKAD with such speeches) I can tell you the direction. You can with an agitation for power. And there we will see how the periphery will meet you.
  23. mavrus
    mavrus 12 August 2019 22: 03
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...

    Think Big Devyatinsky 8 allocated so much money that if they still arrive, then enough for everyone.
  24. Gato
    Gato 12 August 2019 22: 45
    +7
    This is how it all started in Kiev too. Only Ukrainians love to ride their own rake, while in the Russian Federation, it seems, they are also trying to jump on strangers. No offense ... I, as a Russian from Kiev, "look at this matter with old Russian anguish" (C)
  25. Anton Dahl
    Anton Dahl 12 August 2019 23: 12
    +4
    In some ways, the author is right. Indeed, the authorities themselves secretly finance this so-called "non-systemic" opposition, and all the Russian-anti-Russian media in the hope of keeping their finger on the pulse. But the puppeteers seem to be playing, or are about to play. They exaggerate their magnitude, or the degree of influence on the processes. If the puppy is allowed to chew on his shoes in the hallway, in a couple of years he will chew on the owner as well, when he realizes that he does not need him. The majority of Russians will not defend the government if unrest breaks out in the capital. And the authorities do not really like the police and the Russian Guard when it comes to return assistance. In relation to the power structures, the authorities have a two-faced liberal approach. They say, you protect us on the streets, but if anything, we will not help you in the press or in court. Let's be honest, the situation is difficult. The sooner our government realizes that it has nowhere to retreat, and instead of mouse fuss it is necessary to urgently engage in internal affairs, including the economy, the more chances it will have to stay in the Kremlin. If it’s not clear, let them ask Gorbachev or Yanukovych what happens if you don’t give a damn about internal problems.
    1. fif21
      fif21 12 August 2019 23: 52
      +7
      Quote: Anton Dahl
      . If this is not clear, let them ask Gorbachev or Yanukovych what happens if we don't give a damn about internal problems.

      I agree . Already tired of the problems of Ukraine shown on the "TV", the intrigues of the United States, Brexits, Svanidze, Mikhalkov, Pozners ..... frightening people with Stalin, Beria, Ulyanov, pouring slop on the history of the country, trying to whitewash the whites and denigrate the Reds. I would like to tell the gentlemen - close your mouth! What have you done for the people of Russia? hi
  26. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 12 August 2019 23: 31
    0
    Well, as long as normal people are busy or work, here you have a meeting and a "concert" supposedly had to be.
    Big top show arranged.
    Type will come out 47 people and all speak out for others and change everything.
    47 people are not the opinion of the whole country in one place.
    Big top show no more.
  27. fif21
    fif21 12 August 2019 23: 38
    +5
    The number of protests will expand. The authorities openly wipe their "boots" on the people. More and more people in the Russian Federation want to take away and divide the stolen goods. The situation when 60% of the population survives in the country, and 5% are furious with fat, was created by the authorities, for this they are responsible. The greed of the bourgeoisie of Russia is boundless, which destroyed it in 1917. Unfortunately, great shocks await Russia. Unfortunately recourse
  28. pylon101
    pylon101 13 August 2019 03: 14
    0
    There are no obstacles to the creation and growth of parties in Russia.
    Therefore, blaming the State Duma is stupid.
    Another thing is that the sweet criticism of Putin, his administration, the entire system and the Russian state is not enough to create a platform and program.
    The protest is understandable and understandable. And in Ukraine this is enough for Maidan-14. But in Russia, as I hope, this is not enough to claim power.
  29. Rwmos
    Rwmos 13 August 2019 05: 04
    +2
    This is more a perversion than a manifestation of freedom. A street liberal does not want to know anything but his own willfulness.
    First of all, he loves noise, he needs excitement for excitement. This he calls life, and peace and order seem to him death. Where furious cries are heard, indiscriminate and inexhaustible curses, there is probably a street liberal swaying and indignant.
    He eagerly guards every riot, he slams every lawlessness, for the very word "law" is hateful to him. But do not expect tolerance, respect for thought, respect for other people's opinions, for the human person, for everything that makes up the essence of true freedom and the decoration of life.
    He is ready to wipe out anyone who does not share his unbridled impulses.
    He does not even suggest that someone else's opinion could be the fruit of free thought, a noble feeling.
    A distinctive feature of the street liberal is that he considers all his opponents to be scoundrels.
    Therefore, he is not picky at the expense

    Chicherin B.N. 1861 year
    1. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor 13 August 2019 11: 22
      -3
      Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said

      “Russians are a people who hate freedom, deify slavery, love fetters on their arms and legs, love their bloody despots, feel no beauty, dirty physically and mentally, live for centuries in darkness, obscurantism, and did not move a finger to something human, but always ready to bond, oppress everyone and everything, the whole world. This is not a people, but a historical curse of mankind ”

      I.S. Shmelev.

      “I have to express my sad look at the Russian man - he has such a weak brain system that he is not able to perceive reality as such. For him, there are only words. His conditioned reflexes are not coordinated with actions, but with words. ”

      Academician Pavlov. 1932 year.

      “A people is indifferent to the least duty, to the least justice, to the least truth, a people that does not recognize human dignity, that does not fully recognize neither a free person, nor free thought.”

      Alexander Pushkin

      “Russia is the most meager, vomitously vile country in all of world history. By the method of selection, monstrous moral freaks were brought up there, in whom the very concept of Good and Evil is turned inside out. Throughout its history, this nation is floundering in shit and at the same time wants to sink the whole world in it ... "

      I.A. Ilyin (1882-1954)

      "The Russian people are in an extremely sad state: they are sick, ruined, demoralized." "And now we learn that he, represented by a significant part of his intelligentsia, although he cannot be considered formally insane, is possessed by false ideas bordering on megalomania and megalomania of enmity towards each and every one. Indifferent to his real benefit and real harm, he imagines non-existent dangers and bases the most ridiculous assumptions on them.It seems to him that all the neighbors offend him, do not adore his greatness enough and in every way harm him ...

      Philosopher Vladimir Solovyov
      1. Dali
        Dali 13 August 2019 17: 24
        +1
        Quote: Procyon Lotor
        Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said ...

        And now, specific sources in the studio ... And there it will be seen whether it is true or not !!!
      2. Dali
        Dali 13 August 2019 17: 36
        +1
        Quote: Procyon Lotor
        Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said


        And in general you are a liar !!!
        Liars of Russians:
        https://maxpark.com/user/2519738665/content/505807
      3. Rwmos
        Rwmos 13 August 2019 17: 41
        0
        Just examples of liberotas. This is especially true of Pushkin - a little man, he was extremely micro-dangerous
    2. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor 13 August 2019 11: 24
      -2
      Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said

      “Russians are a people who hate freedom, deify slavery, love fetters on their arms and legs, love their bloody despots, feel no beauty, dirty physically and mentally, live for centuries in darkness, obscurantism, and did not move a finger to something human, but always ready to bond, oppress everyone and everything, the whole world. This is not a people, but a historical curse of mankind ”

      I.S. Shmelev.

      “I have to express my sad look at the Russian man - he has such a weak brain system that he is not able to perceive reality as such. For him, there are only words. His conditioned reflexes are not coordinated with actions, but with words. ”

      Academician Pavlov. 1932 year.

      “A people is indifferent to the least duty, to the least justice, to the least truth, a people that does not recognize human dignity, that does not fully recognize neither a free person, nor free thought.”

      Alexander Pushkin

      “Russia is the most meager, vomitously vile country in all of world history. By the method of selection, monstrous moral freaks were brought up there, in whom the very concept of Good and Evil is turned inside out. Throughout its history, this nation is floundering in shit and at the same time wants to sink the whole world in it ... "

      I.A. Ilyin (1882-1954)

      "The Russian people are in an extremely sad state: they are sick, ruined, demoralized." "And now we learn that he, represented by a significant part of his intelligentsia, although he cannot be considered formally insane, is possessed by false ideas bordering on megalomania and megalomania of enmity towards each and every one. Indifferent to his real benefit and real harm, he imagines non-existent dangers and bases the most ridiculous assumptions on them.It seems to him that all the neighbors offend him, do not adore his greatness enough and in every way harm him ...

      Philosopher Vladimir Solovyov
      1. Dali
        Dali 13 August 2019 17: 25
        0
        Quote: Procyon Lotor
        Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said

        And now, specific sources in the studio ... And there it will be seen whether it is true or not !!!
      2. Dali
        Dali 13 August 2019 17: 36
        0
        Quote: Procyon Lotor
        Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said


        And in general you are a liar !!!
        Liars of Russians:
        https://maxpark.com/user/2519738665/content/505807
  30. Ham
    Ham 13 August 2019 07: 30
    +2
    compared to Bolotnaya - garbage .... then there was more and people really believed in all sorts of bulk ... in 11, the whole of Orenburg was sealed with bulk stickers "hooligans and thieves" yeah ...
    and now, if not for the mass media, no one in our provinces would have known that there is a "revolution" in Moscow)))
    and even internet squeals are not so shrill! at 12 they wrote that like everything - "we are going to take the Kremlin" and "we are hanging crooks and thieves", but now ... so ... whining and sneering - "riot police beat us" ...
    miserable, insignificant personalities that were not packed just because they very successfully fulfill the roles of Gapon and Azef ...
    good luck to them in this dirty, but so necessary for the security of the state business
  31. Alien From
    Alien From 13 August 2019 08: 30
    +2
    To powder the brains of youth is the main task of any government. As long as the brain thinks about revolutions and Maidan, you can control a person as you want. Our youth for an iPhone will not only sell their homeland, but also sell anything. It's a shame.
  32. aries2200
    aries2200 13 August 2019 08: 59
    +1
    as long as the Israelis are in the leadership of the country, nothing will change
  33. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 13 August 2019 09: 19
    0
    In Siberia, I don’t give a damn about these marginal Muscovites. Let them devour each other - there will be fewer parasites.
    Intelligents?
    "Brain of the nation"?
    Well, yes, Lenin already told Gorky about this "brain" ...
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  35. Vlad 63
    Vlad 63 13 August 2019 09: 32
    0
    What is most terrifying is that the most massive rallies in the country are gathered by just such people as Navalny, Sable, Yashin, and some libertarians. But there are no complaints against them. They promote their goals / ideas. They are alien to me, but no one else is able to proclaim intelligible ideas, the Communist Party, headed by the embalmed Zyuganov, completely discredited itself. SR is generally not clear how it differs from EP. LDPR is generally a clinic. All this is not just. The space was specially burned out. Based on the foregoing, there will most likely be no peaceful change of power. The existing power has significantly weakened; it is destroying itself, slowly but surely. A bunch of problems in the economy and in the social sphere are growing like a snowball. And ways to get out of this situation in the circumstances are not visible.
    1. Maverick1812
      Maverick1812 13 August 2019 09: 57
      0
      The objective of the Navalny project is to discredit any opposition! All who are against Pu and Company are traitors and agents of the State Department! And in fact, Pu is the main agent!
      1. Vlad 63
        Vlad 63 13 August 2019 10: 05
        -1
        It may well be (it’s very strange that Navalny is still at large, and some sort of Askhab Alibetov mates for vidosiki in YouTube). But I wrote a little about something else. Namely, that a situation was artificially created in which virtually nothing can be changed. hi
        1. Maverick1812
          Maverick1812 13 August 2019 12: 32
          0
          Askhab is not a system of all the "non-system" ones! Therefore, he sits, because it is precisely these who could change something. Bulkheads play a role. This was especially evident during the previous elections, during which they desperately urged to boycott the elections, and then they suddenly had the idea of ​​"smart elections"! Those. they first played into the hands of the authorities, and then continued to imitate their rejection. I look very carefully, everything that Navalny says and does, and I already have no doubt about his role! Modern Pop Gapon !!
    2. Robin - Bobbin
      Robin - Bobbin 14 August 2019 10: 21
      +1
      Both the government and such an opposition are equally disrespectful.
  36. Roman070280
    Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 35
    +2
    Everything today is arranged so that if you want to protest, now there is a direct road to Navalny and Co., because there simply is no one else.


    Smart phrase ..
  37. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 13 August 2019 09: 55
    +1
    Finally! Finally, at least someone said that the Navalny project is a Kremlin project, which means a State Department project! Because even schoolchildren are already talking about the fact that our tsar is not real, but just a screen under which the world behind the scenes "cuts" the country. And so that we do not chase much, they create an image of a patriot king who cares for the country, build bridges and draw militaristic cartoons ... A dashingly twisted, cr-shny scenario!
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  39. Operator
    Operator 13 August 2019 11: 27
    +1
    Quote: Procyon Lotor
    I.A. Ilyin (1882-1954)

    Evon mother - German Carolina Louise Schweikert von Stadion.
    1. Dali
      Dali 13 August 2019 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Procyon Lotor
      Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said


      Operator, "this citizen of Procyon Lotor" is a liar !!!
      Liars of Russians:
      https://maxpark.com/user/2519738665/content/505807
    2. Dali
      Dali 13 August 2019 17: 44
      0
      Quote: Procyon Lotor
      Then we can say that the truth and what other classics said


      Operator, "this Procyon Lotor citizen" is a liar !!!
      Liars of Russians:
      https://maxpark.com/user/2519738665/content/505807

      Although I.A. Ilyin could say this, because this I.A. Ilyin is there: ZhZL: Ivan Ilyin - the fascist censer of the censer and whip: https://ss69100.livejournal.com/3845330.html

      From the article:
      "On September 2, 1922, the collegium of the Main Political Directorate under the NKVD of the RSFSR decided to expel citizen Ilyin" from the RSFSR abroad "in connection with anti-Soviet activities, after which he settled in Germany, where he became a teacher at the Berlin" Russian Scientific Institute " in turn, was in the so-called "League Auber", the full name of which sounded like the "International League for the Struggle against the Third International" (which included the NSDAP and other extreme right-wing nationalist organizations of that time).

      All this did not bother the “Russian patriot” Ilyin.

      "Professor I. Ilyin, the founder of the magazine" Russian bell "openly called himself and his associates fascists ..." (Okorokov A.V., Fascism and Russian emigration (1920 - 1945). M. 2001. p.21). "
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 August 2019 18: 53
        0
        The German mother and mother Ilyin mentally burnt after the capture of Berlin by our army.
  40. Last centurion
    Last centurion 13 August 2019 12: 45
    +3
    one must act democratically with unauthorized demonstrations - as the police did with occupy wall street. so that each individual individually learns a lesson once and for all that living before the demonstration is generally high, and after ... the kidneys to strike against the inflamed brain
  41. nafanal
    nafanal 13 August 2019 15: 18
    +1
    All liberal evil gathered ... Yes ... not there the reactor exploded ...
  42. Hokunin
    Hokunin 13 August 2019 17: 27
    +1
    Is the site occupied by Banderlog from the Square? There was not such a number of liberoids there, they all consist of professional traitors to the Motherland, grant eaters, those students who are collected for 500 rubles, and a small percentage of simply crazy people like a woman lera - all this together is a tiny part of society in the region of 1 percent error. They take pictures there from a certain angle and then write fables about "thousands and millions". During the period of the so-called liberoid "march of millions across the country", there were 10 or even only 8 exalted marginals in different cities. In the capital, they can somehow collect 1 thousand or so - no more.
  43. Ursus
    Ursus 13 August 2019 18: 25
    +2
    Quote: mkop
    Well, you give it to my friend. You propose to elect into power a person who yells: "Down with power", who does not offer anything, who has no action plan at all ??! And he hopes that he will come to power and everything will be different, will they do and offer? No, I didn’t want to do that.

    Where did you get this from?
    There are his investigations against corrupt officials. There are links to sources; everything is chewed and laid out on shelves. Denials - 0! Any tracking does not count. Question: what is he wrong about and what is he doing wrong?

    - Sweet couple: Serdyukov + Vasilyeva stole. Are they sitting? Nothing like this! Let go home, property acquired by overwork was returned to them, probably, they also asked for forgiveness
    - Deputy Sobyanin, Comrade Sergunin, with his sister and her husband, a Jewish Jew, stole billions. Has someone investigated? No!
    - Well, others, and others and others, led by a malachol primus, with its vineyards and yachts.

    ps
    The personality of Navalny is very ambiguous. But facts are stubborn things! And the authorities are silent, as they have gained water in their mouths, which means that the truth is, it turns out, comrade writes?
  44. Rwmos
    Rwmos 13 August 2019 19: 07
    +1

    Long overdue!
  45. Anton Dahl
    Anton Dahl 13 August 2019 22: 38
    +1
    I will add something else from myself. A year after the pension "reform", rallies against the Kremlin are no longer gathering 5, as it was before, but 50.000 people. But other "reforms", no less effective, are next. From the Higher School of Economics or RANEPA (who is interested, he knows what kind of office it is). For example, an increase in the retirement age for security officials, or even the abolition of military pensions. There have already been such conversations last year. Given the level of adequacy of power, I do not see anything incredible in this. And then a good half of the people in uniform will run from this service to the other side of the protest. The government has almost no supporters, but there are still defenders, but greed and arrogance force it to encroach even on its own safety. If the government does not begin to share money and benefits with the security forces, with factories and plants, in a broad sense, with all of Russia, it is doomed. Nobody and nothing will save her. She would only think about it. At least today.
    1. gaura
      gaura 14 August 2019 13: 09
      0
      Where are these rallies? Who besides the organizers counted 50 thousands? And how many protestors there were before the concert, and how many will remain if you remove the Ukrainians with their flags and schoolchildren who do not know why they came. As a result, why are there such loud statements that there are no supporters in power? Are you convincing yourself or us?
  46. zenion
    zenion 13 August 2019 22: 41
    +1
    The liberals had helicopters to take pictures of a lot of people, or were they asked for pictures outside the cordon?
  47. Whispering in the night
    Whispering in the night 14 August 2019 01: 02
    +3
    Quote: Anton Dal
    I will add something else from myself. A year after the pension "reform" rallies against the Kremlin gather not 5, as it was before, but 50.000 people.

    Yes, write a million right away, which is embarrassing.))
  48. Clone
    Clone 14 August 2019 02: 43
    +1
    Something a lot of sheep showed up, suddenly taking pity on their eternal "opponents" - wolves ...
    And the liberals are those very evil animals, unprincipled, ready for any provocation, including with the participation of the mentioned girl. It has already been forgotten what the buzz of their "parents" led to in the early 90s ??? Nowadays, descendants arrange a storm, so that, like their predecessors, then repent and gnaw their elbows, sprinkling ashes on the upper extremities of the body ... But it will be too late.
    And it’s a pity if the relevant chiefs hand over the fighter who used force against the kicking undergrowth. The next time, when the application of "physics" is really and urgently needed, other specialists will think ten times, - Why the heck did it all give up to me in order to end up under the fence? The betrayal of the "Berkut" fighters by their leadership began in about the same way.
    For me, if you violated the law - answer and do not scream. And the participants in the gathering broke the law, deciding to warm up the situation with an additional "parade" after the end of the rally authorized by the authorities. But the authorities ... the authorities became too bronzed, believing in their complete celestial existence. And from self-confidence is not far from stupidity in decisions and actions.
  49. savage1976
    savage1976 14 August 2019 08: 03
    +2
    The joke itself is different. Moscow hamsters are on strike for the right of access to the feeder, regional hamsters support them, as a result of Moscow hamsters they will be calmed down by raising incomes, drawing more money from the regions and regional hamsters will suck even more.
  50. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 14 August 2019 08: 34
    0
    but the KGB didn’t help prevent the collapse of the country.

    Yes, the KGB itself carried out perestroika and ensured the collapse of the country!