The authorities themselves gathered the most massive protest in Moscow since the time of the Swamp

Last Saturday, about 50 of thousands of protesters against the non-admission of candidates to the elections gathered on Sakharov Avenue. This is the most massive protest in Russia since the opposition’s protests on Bolotnaya Square. How can one explain such political activity in Moscow at a not very politically active time, which is considered summer - the holiday season?




The protest rally was attended not only by representatives of the most liberal strata of the population, but also by those who can be called relatively neutral in political terms. A distinctive action of this protest is the large number of “idols” of modern youth, including Oxxxymiron, Faith and others.

One of the slogans gathered: the resignation of Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin. He was accused of creating artificial barriers to the so-called "independent candidates."

The expert, making an attempt to analyze the situation, compares it with the Ukrainian events of the 2013-2014 years when people came to the Maidan, not because they sympathized with Yatsenyuk and Tyagniboku with Poroshenko, but because they expected changes, and they don’t have any other forces of change in the country promised. A separate topic is what the changes in Ukraine led to.

Story author:

Everything today is arranged so that if you want to protest, now there is a direct road to Navalny and Co., because there simply is no one else. The Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, A Just Russia are similar in their properties to the slurred Communist Party of Ukraine and, moreover, they tend to become the periphery of the movement of the name of Navalny. Therefore, people go to Sakharov and Bolotnaya even for the most insignificant reasons - energy requires action.

The author of the video believes that the power itself built this design, moreover, consciously. It is noted that Navalny and Co. act as provocateurs, allowing monitoring of the processes among the masses of protesters. But at the end of the 80, the so-called perestroika leaders were in the KGB file cabinets, but this same KGB did not help prevent the collapse of the country.

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  1. Svarog 12 August 2019 14: 59 New
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    It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...
    1. Vend 12 August 2019 15: 08 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...

      Yes, all nonsense. Who was going to the concert, who just decided to hang out, and there were some provocateurs, etc. laughing
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        1. g1v2 12 August 2019 15: 32 New
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          It was necessary to grab the commentator. And of course, the fighter did the wrong thing. It is necessary to twist in place and put plastic ties on the hands on the back. With her arms broken back, she wouldn’t cough out much. And so I made a picture for the media. It is clear that emotions and fatigue - on your day off, screw any shusher. But this is not necessary. request
          1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 45 New
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            Quote: g1v2
            But this is not necessary.

            The point is probably not how it is necessary and not necessary, but how lawful and not legal. We generally ceased to pay attention to laws .. the rally was authorized, the girl was unarmed, which means it is not necessary? I understand that a man would be .. or maybe she just walked by, and with her boot in her stomach .. Personnel for mental deviations need to be checked in the Russian Guard ..
            1. mkop 12 August 2019 16: 23 New
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              And why did they take her? Just? Why has no one shown this? You can link not just about how she was embedded, but from the very beginning. I look at the cameras there enough to capture everything from the beginning and put it out. Or not at first?
              1. Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 24 New
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                Quote: mkop
                And why did they take her? Just?

                In fact, for whatever they took, you could do without kicks in the stomach, a bunch of men and so twisted ..
                1. mkop 12 August 2019 16: 32 New
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                  Exactly possible? Have you checked what is possible?
                  When detained in other countries, much "more civilized" than Russia, this lady, even for such resistance, could be punched not only with her hand properly, but also with a club, which this comrade tried to lift from the ground. Why did she make this mysterious movement with her foot, trying to "warm up" the club to the side when the peasant was already reaching for it? More like an attempt at provocation, and an attempt to make a picture for the media.
                  1. ssergey1978 13 August 2019 05: 47 New
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                    I wish you that when you decide to protest, they also kicked you in the belly.
                    1. Shuttle 13 August 2019 06: 49 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      I wish you that when you decide to protest, they also kicked you in the belly.

                      Karma is elastic. Boomerang may well.
                    2. mkop 13 August 2019 09: 14 New
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                      Now, if I resist like her, please. This is the time.
                      I do not go to such meetings of the mentally retarded. These are two. Because they have no purpose. There are only screams here we are power, and down with the president. Further in their heads emptiness and darkness. In especially neglected cases, the overthrow of the president and the current government is compared with a fabulous life in the future (but examples in Ukraine, Georgia and other countries hint - in fact, no, it will only get worse). Have any of today's opposition announced any steps to improve the situation? In addition to popular phrases such as: “Raise pensions,” “Raise salaries,” “Cheaper gasoline,” “Reduce utility bills,” because these are not steps to improve, but requirements (there are no implementation programs). What needs to be done according to the opposition in order to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don’t hear this from them, therefore I don’t go to any rallies. What are some real examples of the steps that the opposition leads, if you can.
                      1. Shuttle 13 August 2019 10: 23 New
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                        Quote: mkop
                        Now, if I resist like her, please. This is the time.
                        I do not go to such meetings of the mentally retarded. These are two. Because they have no purpose. There are only screams here we are power, and down with the president. Further in their heads emptiness and darkness. In especially neglected cases, the overthrow of the president and the current government is compared with a fabulous life in the future (but examples in Ukraine, Georgia and other countries hint - in fact, no, it will only get worse). Have any of today's opposition announced any steps to improve the situation? In addition to popular phrases such as: “Raise pensions,” “Raise salaries,” “Cheaper gasoline,” “Reduce utility bills,” because these are not steps to improve, but requirements (there are no implementation programs). What needs to be done according to the opposition in order to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don’t hear this from them, therefore I don’t go to any rallies. What are some real examples of the steps that the opposition leads, if you can.

                        I totally agree. The gentlemen are not interested in either Marx, or Hegel, or Kant, or Aristotle, or even just common sense. They do not have a positive program of action. Natural anarchists with the level of social development of five-year-old children.
                        It seems that Yakov Kedmi (I could be wrong) recently correctly characterized the youngsters who wandered around the very rallies as individuals who have the biggest problem in life is milk froth in morning coffee.
                      2. Jager 13 August 2019 13: 47 New
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                        And therefore, do not hear that you know the First Channel yourself which party is under ...
                      3. mkop 13 August 2019 15: 04 New
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                        I already wrote: can I link to a video with development programs? Can I have at least some information other than the allegations that the program is? Let me read it with pleasure. Where is it all?
                        Let me give you some examples. We’ll go to Navalny’s website and start reading his program, see:
                        The minimum wage should be increased to 25 thousand rubles.

                        Just issue a decree. Is that all? Then employers simply push workers there will be nothing to pay. Where it leads? To wild unemployment? Why not up to 50 tr then raise?
                        Decisions on the pace of raising the minimum wage will be made by regional authorities.

                        Are you seriously? And if the regional authorities want to stretch it for 30 years? What then?
                        Improving labor market regulation, contributing to the exit of wages from the gray zone and a reduction in informal employment.

                        How was he going to do this? It is not clear.
                        It is necessary to reduce budget expenditures for the sections “national security and law enforcement”, redistributing these funds in favor of the sections “healthcare” and “education”. Investing in human capital is a key condition for the competitiveness of the national economy in the post-industrial era.

                        Where will you live then, if the NATO boot will march across your country? How in the conditions of the modern world to maintain the integrity of Russia without an army and law enforcement agencies, if arms are being built around at some enchanting pace?
                        It is necessary to build an independent, open and effective system of budget audit at the federal, regional and municipal levels, to ensure complete transparency of budget expenditures online, so that every citizen can find out in a few clicks how much budget has been spent on building a playground in his yard. Build an automated system for monitoring public procurement contracts.

                        What are you going to do for this? This is your program, but it looks like populist slogans.
                        recognition of EU and US certificates in Russia (repealing mandatory certification according to Russian standards). One of the mechanisms in this area is a gradual transition to European regulatory and certification standards.

                        This is generally just some kind of idiocy. What is this for? I see one goal of this process - to simplify the arrival of Western business in our market, the result of such a visit will not be competition, but simply the death of Russian production for good. Because, to create competition, you must first raise your own, then let others in.

                        In general, everything is like that. The only result of the reforms that Navalny offers is the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state in principle, and the collapse of many separate regions.
                      4. Begemot 13 August 2019 15: 32 New
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                        Do you seem to like everything in modern Russia?
                        I also don’t accept bulk with their idol and I didn’t go to rallies and don’t go, but if the "furious printer" doesn’t stop and doesn’t stop stamping anti-people’s legislation, then those who don’t even think about it will start rallies
                        the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state
                        will happen not by the will of the revolutionaries, but in itself. I have already seen with my own eyes how this happens to the greatest powers.
                      5. mkop 13 August 2019 15: 45 New
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                        No, God forbid, I do not like everything in modern Russia. But do not you think that of the two evils you need to choose the least? So, in the rhetoric of modern opposition, I see MUCH more evil for Russia than what it is now. Much needs to be changed, but not revolutionary, but evolutionary; without destroying everything in the bud, and trying to build something new on the ruins of the past. You kind of went through it already. Why is there such a passion for destruction, even the fact that something else at least somehow works?
                        Where are these revolutions that led to the prosperity of states?
                      6. Cresta999 13 August 2019 18: 16 New
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                        In tsarist Russia.
                      7. 16329 19 August 2019 12: 25 New
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                        Did this prosperity probably happen during the Civil War?
                    3. From Siberia we 14 August 2019 07: 57 New
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                      It’s been evolutionary for 20 years and the point is only worse and worse.
                      Quote: mkop
                      Where are these revolutions that led to the prosperity of states?

                      1917 years
                    4. Begemot 14 August 2019 09: 25 New
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                      That’s the problem
                      Much needs to be changed, but not revolutionary but evolutionary
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                      Independently, any power is unable to change for the better, all control activity - to take away, deprive, reduce, not let go, prohibit, not allow, if that is not to your liking - punish, but so that they don’t think that we are like prince-lemons, you can collect felling . Moreover, with such as EP (though the rest are not much better) no evolution to the positive is possible. Legislation of the last 20 years is a nightmare for sane people. To what insanity they reach in their initiatives is incomprehensible to the mind. At the same time, real problems are not solved for years and are not even considered until it is combed out already completely unbearably. Yes, I agree that the revolution is evil and if you don’t want upheavals (I don’t want to, listen, yes), suggest a way to direct the country towards comprehensive prosperity and development, and not just paradise for oligarchs and officials.
                    5. 16329 19 August 2019 12: 29 New
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                      Under any regime, someone lives better and someone worse, therefore, revolutions do not radically change anything, and any progressive evolutionary development improves the quality of life more efficiently than the revolution, which always brings benefits to someone, mainly geopolitical opponents
                    6. Alber 2 September 2019 23: 31 New
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                      [quote = Begemot] Legislation of the past 20 years is a nightmare for sane people. To what insanity they reach in their initiatives is incomprehensible to the mind. At the same time, real problems are not solved for years and are not even considered until it is combed out already completely unbearably. Yes, I agree that the revolution is evil and if you don’t want upheavals (I don’t want to, listen, yes), suggest a way to direct the country towards comprehensive prosperity and development, and not just paradise for oligarchs and officials.
                      Reply
                      Who are these people in parliament? What are they doing there? What are their goals?
          2. Ehanatone 13 August 2019 15: 01 New
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            "What needs to be done according to the opposition in order to raise pensions, raise salaries, etc.? I don’t hear from them, therefore I don’t go to any mitts."
            Just screaming, it’s certainly useless, you need a mechanism to uphold these requirements, this time.
            Nothing is required of the opposition to fulfill these requirements, it is a claim to the work of the authorities, while it is the power, the current opposition will become power, then they will begin to think and propose, these are two.
            I don’t go to rallies either, but if someone does, the flag is in their hands, because how else to convey to our bull authorities that not everything is calm in Baghdad, and not everything is going according to plan, these are three.
          3. mkop 13 August 2019 15: 17 New
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            Well, you give my friend. Do you propose to choose a person who yells: “Down with power”, who offers nothing, who has no action plan at all ??! And he hopes that he will come to power and will be different, will they do and offer? No, I’m doing such a pass.
          4. Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 29 New
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            Do you propose choosing a person who yells: “Down with power”, who offers nothing, who has no action plan at all?

            The current president did not have an electoral program at all, but nonetheless he was elected
          5. From Siberia we 14 August 2019 07: 59 New
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            The Bolsheviks came with the slogan of the Socialist Revolutionaries - Land to the peasants, factories and factories. They also asked the program, and for sure it was only in general terms. As a result - a great country
          6. 16329 19 August 2019 12: 30 New
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            And before the Bolsheviks there was a great country
  • Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 39 New
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    this lady, even for such resistance, could not only be punched with her hand as it should, but also with a club


    It’s a pity that you weren’t stabbed with a club .. at least for such words ..
    1. mkop 13 August 2019 09: 40 New
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      So come and cut, why are you sitting then? Do you even understand the meaning of what I wrote, and see how they treat those in your beloved "West" before threatening to pour.
      1. Romario_Argo 13 August 2019 10: 38 New
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        So come and cut, why are you sitting then?

        The State Duma creates a commission on parsing with interventions in the affairs of the Russian Federation
        I like the idea (!)
        I went to the rally - received 100 $ - and then lost the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
        Lost work, retirement, medical care, kindergartens, schools, mortgages, loans.
        All the same, they don’t like it all (!)
      2. Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 17 New
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        True slave ..
      3. Romario_Argo 15 August 2019 11: 43 New
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        True slave ..

        like Putin, Medvedev, and slaves are according to Lavrov
        * it is forbidden to express it in VO
      4. Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 51 New
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        But what is there .. the same slave as the Lord God ..))

        * I didn’t express myself, I only outlined the reality .. It’s even unpleasant for me that half of the country personally drive into slavery Putin and Medvedev, and in every possible way rejoice at it .. But this is not my fault ..
        In the end, they are dressed, they are not allowed to die of hunger (until they reach retirement age) .. so they have every reason to be happy about the chosen path, and this is their right ..
      5. Romario_Argo 15 August 2019 12: 01 New
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        a slave from the word work, and someone serves - i.e. minister
        rather than pretending to serve - i.e. minions
        and if the liars with SVR - then who is it ...
        fanatics -? then obviously not slaves, because this is beliefs and not a forced position
        Your interpretation here does not fit anywhere.
      6. Roman070280 15 August 2019 12: 15 New
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        Thanks for the educational program ..
        The new interpretation of slavery has gained a positive meaning .. Apparently, after that it becomes an honor to be a slave .. but it’s easier to live ..))
  • 16329 19 August 2019 12: 32 New
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    What a commonplace
  • Shuttle 13 August 2019 10: 44 New
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    And here, by the way, yes.



    And here I ask you to pay special attention from the 40 second.

    Does anyone else want to "like in Europe"?
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  • Shuttle 14 August 2019 11: 56 New
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    Quote: From Siberia we
    The same there is a great desire that some thug so hit in the liver of your mother, wife, sister, daughter. From the soul.

    Scrape any so-called liberal and (lo and behold!) you will find a fascist. The immutable law of nature.
  • Alexander I 13 August 2019 13: 54 New
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    Tin, howl would stand to the moon
  • Spambox 14 August 2019 08: 30 New
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    Pay attention there the pogromists of arsonists and participants in the riots are dispersed, we have not seen mass riots and arsons. Change the training manual before writing and they have there ... Understand the question, otherwise it’s like a bunch in a puddle.
  • Roman070280 15 August 2019 11: 16 New
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    Or maybe just in your beloved west ?? It’s you who are equal to them just ..
    Well, you have to be completely degenerate so as not to see the difference between when a person hits the windows and burns cars, or when a person goes out to peaceful protests .. (I’ll keep silent about the reasons for this above the roof)
    But how convenient it is, however, to distort concepts, and pull out only the necessary ..
    Not that I write about the level of income and the standard of living in the same West .. Nooo .. we will find something worse there .. then we will turn it all inside out and lay it out ..

    PS .. Where did you see the threat ?? Pity / regret from the threat is not able to distinguish even ..
  • Campanella 13 August 2019 09: 58 New
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    The iron logic of pro-government trolls. And can it be better to focus on humanism and not refer to "extremely civilized" countries?
    In the end, there are tribes in which enemies are still devoured, let's focus on them.
    Power does not correspond to the interests of a certain part of citizens, citizens have the right to express their point of view, but power behaves like a tyrant!
    1. mkop 13 August 2019 10: 04 New
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      Why can liberals refer to other countries but not others? Do they have superiority over people with a different opinion?
  • mkop 13 August 2019 09: 23 New
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    Nobody kicked her in the stomach, they hit her with a hand. Kicking a foot. Let's manipulate facts, not exaggerations for more effect?
    1. balunn 13 August 2019 10: 04 New
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      kick and punch change meaning?
      1. mkop 13 August 2019 10: 23 New
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        It changes. They will give you a mug in the street with your hand or foot, or maybe they will pop in the face with a club. Does that make sense to you?

        You are even trying to deny and distort facts. And this is indicated by the minuses to my comment above. The fact is that they did NOT Kick her, but hit him with the HAND. This fact is documented in the video. But you keep arguing.
        1. Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 51 New
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          Taking care of our power, it grows painstakingly children, punishing parents for their negligent attitude towards them, for exposing them to danger by participating in a rally, and then this girl who has already grown up is beaten up for participating in a peaceful rally.
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  • Vend 12 August 2019 16: 24 New
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    And why did they take her? Just? Why has no one shown this? You can link not just about how she was embedded, but from the very beginning. I look at the cameras there enough to capture everything from the beginning and put it out. Or not at first?

    If they show what they took for, then it will cease to be an innocent victim laughing
  • g1v2 12 August 2019 16: 39 New
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    Resistance to an employee during execution is a crime. If you were told that you were detained and you are trying to resist, you commit a crime AND APPLY MEASURES OF PHYSICAL INFLUENCE TO YOU. There is disagreement - you will appeal through a lawyer. At the same time, who you are absolutely on the drum. In such cases, cunning organizers always put women, old people, and so on in the first row. Young animals hide behind them, specially popping under the batons. The more colorful the picture - the more profitable it can be shown in the media. Personally, I personally would probably also want to prescribe this shmara with all the dope in the place of a fighter, but I need to control myself. The opponent wants this. To do this, they stick like a ball for provocation. So the guy could not restrain himself, and now it’s not only that they will be promoted, but they can also fine him. And the guys obviously do not get so much to lose the prize due to such a fecal mass. request
    1. Vasiliev Yu 13 August 2019 03: 45 New
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      https://tjournal.ru/news/110982-sledstvie-opravdalo-deystviya-policeyskih-slomavshih-nogu-moskovskomu-dizayneru-pered-akciey-27-iyulya
    2. Tibidokh 13 August 2019 06: 16 New
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      Quote: g1v2
      I would like to prescribe this shmare with all the dope

      What did she specifically do? What was her provocation expressed in?
    3. Roman070280 13 August 2019 09: 47 New
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      At the same time, who you are absolutely on the drum.

      Aslambek Atambayev does not agree with this statement ..
      I think that Putin will also argue differently ..
      Interesting - and if Sobyanin suddenly appeared there in the crowd .. would he be kicked in the stomach too, in response to his go-ahead with his hands ??

      Personally, I personally would probably also want to prescribe this shmara with all the dope in the place of a fighter, but I need to control myself.

      Well, go out into the street, find a woman, but smack her .. maybe let her go ..

      The opponent wants this.
      Enemy?? ..))

      the guy could not restrain himself, and now it’s not only that they will be promoted, they can also fine him.

      Yes, the same patient .. that’s not "restrained" .. because I really wanted to "prescribe Shmare" .. So he certainly will not feel sorry for him ..
    4. Campanella 13 August 2019 10: 01 New
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      When detained, there is a legal procedure. What did the girl violate when protecting Dtspeshnik?
      1. Pissarro 14 August 2019 04: 55 New
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        At least prevented employees from fulfilling their duties. And at the rallies there are no soldiers and girls. There are provocateurs. If you are a decent girl do not go to such places
    5. Pissarro 14 August 2019 04: 53 New
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      I would love to pay a fine for this guy. Yes, and he would have thrown off the prize)
    6. From Siberia we 14 August 2019 08: 20 New
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      Quote: g1v2
      the guy could not resist

      Well, if her friends also can not resist, and in the evening will meet the "hero"?
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        Well, if her friends also can not resist, and in the evening will meet the "hero"?

        Receive article of the Criminal Code for group beating. And in the case. The fact that he is a law enforcement officer, although not in execution, will be aggravating (probably).
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      And who will you complain through a lawyer? On a faceless creature without insignia, token, number? You will notice even the unit’s badges are missing, some people in uniform without insignia do not seem to drag you, not explaining why you were detained as it should be by law? In general, I doubt it may be mummers? By the way, the Russian Guard was driven from the regions, so that they better trample Muscovites, the Moscow OMON acts too delicately at home.
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    And what is not legitimate in that the Police use violence against a person who resists detention?
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: g1v2
    But this is not necessary.

    The point is probably not how it is necessary and not necessary, but how lawful and not legal. We generally ceased to pay attention to laws .. the rally was authorized, the girl was unarmed, which means it is not necessary? I understand that a man would be .. or maybe she just walked by, and with her boot in her stomach .. Personnel for mental deviations need to be checked in the Russian Guard ..
  • Mountain shooter 13 August 2019 06: 40 New
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    Firstly, not with a boot. And by hand, and lightly. And in the very first, she hit him in the foot with his heel. If you look carefully, it is clearly visible. And this is an attack on a government official!
    1. mkop 13 August 2019 10: 10 New
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      But here no one sees this, alas. Everyone sees only a blow, not a resistance. Everyone says they kicked her, but I didn’t see a kick. Beat saw, no kick. Ordinary propaganda and distortion of facts.
  • New Year day 13 August 2019 11: 56 New
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    Personnel for mental deviations check in Rosguard need ..

    for a long time, no brain
  • Arkady Gaidar 14 August 2019 08: 17 New
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    Svarog! At the expense of legal and illegal. The first to violate laws in the Russian Federation are officials. And at the same time, they do not bear any tangible responsibility. And in order not to be unfounded, here is the link to the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3gW9wI1sIA&t=25s

    That is, power itself provokes the people. And then they are surprised at disobedience and use batons.
    Not that I am a supporter of such actions, but I am a supporter of the rule of law. In the meantime, there are people who put themselves above the law, there will be such protests. As the author wrote, people will unite around the demand for change for the better. hi
  • Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 12 New
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    it didn’t do without a “white counter” when it entered it came out ... and again it entered and voila, now it's 50 thousand
    1. Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 14 New
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      Quote: Sunstorm
      voila now and 50 thousand

      According to police - 20 thousand. And with a confidence probability of 95% - (50 + 20) / 2 = 35 thousand. I believe in this figure, but not in the range.
      1. tracer 12 August 2019 23: 24 New
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        Do you also believe in the "testimony of yogis" and in a woman?
        1. Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 18 New
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          Quote: tracer
          You also believe in the "testimony of yogis"

          "Poking" at the first meeting does not have a meaningful conversation.
          And babayki (they exist, but some call them reptilians wink ) For a long time they’ve been broadcasting from television about how we should be supposed to love our homeland, while having a residence permit in NATO countries.
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            You friend apparently homeland is generally not supposed to love? If a person bears nonsense by passing him off as clever thoughts, he will not have respect, in any case, among people who understand the deep essence of the issues discussed.
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    The first three comments are expected from the written opposition. They sit and catch the moment when they insert their spit. Go to work.
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      First three comments
      Your third laughing
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        Even here it’s a lie. Fifth.
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          Fifth
          by the evening you will be twenty-fifth. And where is the truth?
  • Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 15: 38 New
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    It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, people are arriving ...

    What is there to think? Jump and shake! - as one comrade used to say ... lol
    Judging by the news on TV, no rallies and demonstrations took place in the country, and the most real news is the management of the fabulous "I am always! I am everywhere! I am everywhere!" ...
    Soon it’s all old stuff on its own in the skin skin feels the love of the masses. Bored images from the screens, a dull routine on the street, an unenviable prospect in life - and this is between the ages of 18-30 ... And it was only necessary to leave the constitutional right. I am convinced that comedians are much more perspicacious than politicians and describe life situations more vividly:

    But in general, everything has long been towards this. The situation when the "upper" can not, and the "lower classes" no longer want to smoothly develop into a state of full ripening.
    1. irion 13 August 2019 07: 26 New
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      The lower classes chose their tops in alternative regular elections. This is called "democracy."
      There is an absolute minority (2%) who want to seize power and impose their will on the majority. This is called the "attempt on democracy", and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is called the attempt to "violent seizure of power."
      The law does not prohibit this minority from expressing their displeasure and criticizing everything in a row, with the exception of acts designated as extremism in the law. The law establishes the procedure for holding mass events. In accordance with this procedure, the authorities cannot refuse to coordinate a mass event, except in two cases: 1) when the organizer is a person who, by law, does not have the right to organize it for previously committed offenses of an extremist nature; 2) when the event is planned to be held near hazardous facilities, transport infrastructure facilities and locations of authorities.
      The authorities are obliged to defend the choice of the majority (democracy) from extremists. There are special bodies for this - the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard.
      Personally, I want to live in safety and that my choice of the future for my city, region and state as a whole could not be crushed by a handful of aggressive people.

      I think that if the government does not protect the rights and interests of the majority from extremists' assassination attempt, then most citizens themselves will defend themselves from them. And then they will definitely have a very, very bad. While they are protected from popular anger and reprisal by law and the state court. If the people undertake to administer justice themselves, then this will not end in anything good, and first of all, for the minority that is most aggressive towards the majority. Therefore, it is in the interests of the majority to support their defenders, and in the interests of an aggressive minority, not to cross the line of law.
      1. Ptolemy Lag 13 August 2019 09: 49 New
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        At the elections ? There are no elections in Russia, but fiction, staging. Elections ... Joker ...
        1. irion 13 August 2019 10: 20 New
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          Justify or hollow.
      2. Campanella 13 August 2019 10: 06 New
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        And I declare that your elections are not legitimate and rigged! And no majority voted for this power.
        Even the ballots are afraid to show and are being destroyed all the time quickly, so that, God forbid, not be checked.
        1. Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 10 New
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          Who cares what you say there? Is there evidence? No! And you can declare anything. Freedom of speech.
          1. Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 21 New
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            So you do not have this evidence. In Moscow, even signatures for nomination by a candidate are falsified.
            1. Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 33 New
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              And these falsifiers are forbidden to participate in the elections, which is why they, these falsifiers, are very unhappy, but they are clearly not able to collect signatures legally. Well, or a reason to take a bunch of embittered whiners into the streets. And as for the presidential election: in order for them to be legitimate, observers from other countries, even not friendly ones, are invited, as well as cameras are set up at polling stations and observers from all candidates. And if there were any very serious violations, then the howling from all these observers would stand all over the world. So, since they did not find anything significant (and there are minor violations that do not affect the course of the elections in any country in the world), what reason do you have to consider them illegitimate? Therefore, I asked about the evidence.
        2. irion 13 August 2019 19: 39 New
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          Show court decisions that election results are falsified.
          The election results coincide with the data of exit polls conducted by various independent sociological services.
          1. Digital error 13 August 2019 20: 18 New
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            Quote: irion
            Show court decisions that election results are falsified

            Here the question is different - how consciously do citizens make their choice.
            And this does not mean that they will not be falsified in the upcoming elections (I’m not just talking about Moscow) - the rating has fallen. And so as not to be "caught by the hand" - moves of varying degrees of trick are invented - from "self-nomination" to plans for the introduction of electronic voting nationwide (how can citizens observe the progress of such a vote?). I do not see any other clear explanations of what is happening, but I have the right to doubt it.
            1. irion 13 August 2019 21: 30 New
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              Here the question is different - how consciously do citizens make their choice.
              And this does not mean that they will not be falsified in the upcoming elections (I’m not just talking about Moscow) - the rating has fallen. And so as not to be "caught by the hand" - moves of varying degrees of trick are invented - from "self-nomination" to plans for the introduction of electronic voting nationwide (how can citizens observe the progress of such a vote?). I do not see any other clear explanations of what is happening, but I have the right to doubt it.

              Doubt is not proof of fact.
              Falsification is a distortion of the actual expression of will, and not persuasion (agitation).
              1. Digital error 13 August 2019 21: 40 New
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                Quote: irion
                Doubt is not proof of fact.

                Of course, but to increase transparency and confidence in the results - they must be convincingly removed.
                Quote: irion
                Falsification is a distortion of actual will

                I did not claim that the election results were falsified. However, the September campaign of last year passed with a lot of violations (let us recall Pamfilova’s tears), which (and not only that) raised reasonable doubts about the upcoming campaign.
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                  Most have no doubt about the validity of the election results. Violations that could distort the real will are important.
          2. Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 26 New
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            You might think that different sociological groups are evidence of objectivity.
            Falsification goes on at all levels from propaganda to fraud and stuffing.
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        do we have democracy? Where do you see her? You still write about an independent court
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          And on our planet there is at least one country with democracy? Can an example.
          1. irion 13 August 2019 19: 43 New
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            All of Europe, including Russia, most of North America, Japan, South Korea, Israel, most of Latin America, Australia and New Zealand ..
            Examples: Germany, France, Italy, USA, Canada.
            1. Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 26 New
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              I want democracy in France, or in Hong Kong, or in the United States during the “pay back Walstreet,” by the way, another “democratic institution” is widespread in the USA, a free citizen takes a freely bought rifle, takes more rounds, puts on an armor, and freely goes to express his opinion in a crowd of people like now on Sakharov.
              Or both in Ukraine and Latvia, suddenly out of nowhere a group of well-trained snipers appeared who shoot in both directions ...
              1. irion 15 August 2019 08: 57 New
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                I want democracy like in France, or like in Hong Kong, or like in the USA during the "pay back Walstreet"

                The countries you have indicated are able to defend their democracy from attempts on it.
            2. mkop 14 August 2019 08: 31 New
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              You will see how the rallies are dispersed in the countries you represent. People are trying to express their opinion, they are being bathed with truncheons and tear gas. There is no democracy on the planet in the form in which it is described in the definitions of the word. But in general I am silent about the USA, the USA is a police state.
              Wake up you already, stop stupid. Go to Google, Yandex, and indeed to any search engine. Type in the search string "dispersal of rallies in ..." and substitute countries from your list instead of three points. Next, enjoy the sight. I immediately warn the content there is 18+, because there is blood and beatings and everything else.
              What do you call chtoli democracy? Do you think the power of the people? Maybe all nonsense is good to write, huh?
              1. Pissarro 14 August 2019 08: 45 New
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                And what does any rally in any country in the world have to do with democracy in any sense? At the rally there is always a miserable percentage of the population of any country. They are opposed by the Power, theoretically elected by the majority of the people in the elections. It is a miserable crowd that always infringes on the choice of the people. I do not agree, choose others in the elections.
                I’m talking about the theory of democracy, if anything, in its ideal form. Maidan to overthrow her undemocratic)
                1. mkop 14 August 2019 09: 02 New
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                  A rally is an opportunity to express one’s political opinion. In democracy, there should be an opportunity for everyone to express political opinion equally.

                  For example a quote from the wiki:
                  According to Robert Dahl [12], the idea of ​​democracy assumes the existence of a certain society (demos), where each member is equally competent to participate in the management of this society, has the necessary knowledge about which political choice allows him to protect his interests in the best way [18]. Making political decisions in accordance with this principle requires that all members of society have equal and effective opportunities.

                  communicate your political views to others; ....

                  "Democracy" in the modern world is distorted to the limit. And in fact it is not a democracy. The power structures of any country represent the interests of business first of all, and only then, if there is time for the people.
              2. irion 15 August 2019 08: 55 New
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                You will see how rallies disperse

                Illegal rallies ala maidan.
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              What kind of democracy is in Germany, it’s just a bureaucracy, no one has been going to the polls for a long time, they’re even trying to attract foreigners to the elections, I somehow received a letter inviting me to take part in the poll along with the federal elections
        2. irion 13 August 2019 19: 40 New
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          Democracy is a regular general alternative election with freedom of agitation. This is the power of the majority.
          The court is independent and separate from the executive branch.
          1. Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 28 New
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            Democracy, in my opinion, the unattainable ideal of society.
            1. mkop 14 August 2019 11: 31 New
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              Namely, and what is now in different countries from democracy has only a name.
            2. irion 15 August 2019 07: 12 New
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              Democracy, in my opinion, the unattainable ideal of society.

              Regular general alternative elections with freedom of agitation are not ideal, but common practice in Western Europe, the USA, Canada, Japan, Israel, South Korea and Australia with New Zealand.
              1. Campanella 15 August 2019 08: 46 New
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                Those. you want to say that majority representation is a democracy? And relatively speaking, the interests of the second half are taken into account? What you wrote is Bolshevism!
                1. irion 15 August 2019 09: 01 New
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                  The power of the majority - this is democracy since the time of Athens. ) Moreover, in Athens it was considered a negative form of government, since the majority in democracy spits on the opinion and interests of the minority.
                  Therefore, the modern understanding of democracy includes, in addition to the unconditional power of the majority, the protection of the fundamental rights and freedoms of any person and citizen and the freedom of the media.
                  1. Campanella 15 August 2019 11: 52 New
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                    The times of Athens is a powerful argument. Democracy is the power of the whole people. It is interesting how power takes into account interests, minorities? “Founding ..." is blah blah blah. I wonder how the interests of the greens are taken into account if they say they did not go to parliament?
                    And it is quite obvious that the interests of the capitalists, who are called business, are always taken into account. Is this your democracy? You think in stamps.
                    1. irion 15 August 2019 12: 32 New
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                      The times of Athens is a powerful argument. Democracy is the power of the whole people. It is interesting how power takes into account interests, minorities? “Founding ..." is blah blah blah. I wonder how the interests of the greens are taken into account if they say they did not go to parliament?
                      And it is quite obvious that the interests of the capitalists, who are called business, are always taken into account. Is this your democracy? You think in stamps.

                      The power of the whole people is like: all 100, 000000000% ??? Full consensus (common opinion of all citizens) ??? This is utopia.
                      Fundamental human rights are specified in the universal Declaration of Human Rights. In Russia, this is chapter 2 of the Constitution.
                      Voters vote, and who the "capitalists" are, I do not know. Here, the “capitalists" of the 1990s in Russia are hated by pure uncomplicated hatred, therefore these parties like SPS do not go to the Duma, and their candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation (Prokhorov) lost to Putin in the presidential election.
                      I operate on facts, not pink tales and not ideological slogans.
          2. Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 29 New
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            Note-MOST - 20 thousand. snickering Muscovites with LGBT inclinations are NOT MOST.
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  • Bykov. 12 August 2019 17: 07 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    It’s still bad weather .. it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...

    What kind of people? The leaders of the rallies are monkeys with a grenade in their hands, and the flocks of sheep led by them. I hope the authorities really come to their senses and act, and not that the people will really come out and smear all these sheep on Sakharov Avenue.
    1. Revival 12 August 2019 19: 22 New
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      The people will come out !? They made laugh)))
    2. Revival 12 August 2019 19: 32 New
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      Probably from the Uralvagonzavod?
      Oh no, I forgot. Those have already been thanked, I think they are not very torn
    3. Mikhail3 13 August 2019 09: 35 New
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      And it doesn’t matter. Rams, monkeys (you don’t see people there? Curious), this is all nonsense. The question is that all of this could well have been completely prevented, completely, completely, and the menagerie would have continued to post his tweets in public. And so the people can really come out. But when the people come out, he carries everything at all. Such is he, our people, and therefore we are not exchanged for toy "protests."
      The question is that having allowed this, wildly snickering thieves should be transferred to the warm hands of Lavrentiy Palych. After all, there was no difficulty in allowing these clowns to participate in the elections, and then calmly letting them collect their 2-3 percent. Well, a little technical "help", then for knowledgeable people ...
      Only here are the Moscow City Duma deputies - pure, refined, selected thieves. Absolutely nothing but this "qualification", they do not know and do not know how in principle. Until now, the “election” has been for them to decide, by entering amounts and accidental accidents and plane crashes, who exactly will steal the next term at this place. And then suddenly it was required to be able to do something that they don’t even know about!
      And the Moscow City Duma instantly brought things to an explosion. And since she simply has a fantastic amount of money (all the hundreds of billions that people don’t pay all over the country flock to Moscow for free), the siloviki were simply bought. And not as people who can work with the masses of people, but as a dumb "power support" with a specific task - to beat!
      Thieves are primitive creatures. Very cunning, but with a mind near zero. They simply cannot think of anything else - when they cannot or do not want to buy something, steal, they begin to gang, that is, to intimidate, believing that anyone will bend if he is properly nightmare.
      Alas, the guys from the United States, damn experienced in the application of democracy, this is calculated at a time. And they lit up this dirty trick as if capricious children ... Mr. Sobyanin with his Duma is the complete and exclusive culprit of what is happening. It is him and these guys that should be thanked for plumbing out of the blue, substituting the whole country for their greed and thieves' stupidity.
      You should at least talk to them in their language, since frankly weak about Lavrenty Palych. Trucks with compromising materials available to the investigating authorities for each dear boss who brewed this porridge should be immediately sold. And they need to confiscate absolutely everything! Up to wearable stuff! Leave some underpants! They will definitely understand this ...
      1. balunn 13 August 2019 10: 14 New
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        Power does not give up! The story of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov is a confirmation of this
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          Do you hand over yours?
      2. Alexander I 13 August 2019 14: 15 New
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        What does it mean to admit, despite all the violations? Then the law is for whom, for the remaining 90% of the population? One gets the impression that no one wants to abide by the law and elementary norms: the opposition spat on the dead people on the signature sheets, but the authorities spat on the rules for detaining citizens.
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          You are sorry, of course, but the “opposition” has the necessary number of signatures. Their number is enough to pass the election filter honestly, and “dead souls” are awkward nonsense. This is to say that there are fewer of them for victory in the election, and with a certain excess for submitting applications.
          It’s just that the “elections to the Moscow City Duma” are such a clowning that even 5-10 of thousands of supporters is already an alarm for existing deputies. They generally spit on the elections and other "institutes of democracy", they didn’t do anything like that. They will post up posters, write off next grandmothers for it, and that’s it. But Muscovites go to these elections there, they don’t go ... money was sent? There is a result!
          And here are the "independent candidates"! Unkempt observers! They will also make billiutens count (when did they count them? Why ?!)! Moreover, all this shobla was paid by the American embassy, ​​it’s quite difficult to buy them, at least on the right time ...
          1. Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 36 New
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            Yes, they will not be allowed to run for the elections, and the point is not that someone didn’t come out with a mug, but the fact that they have already paid for seats in the Moscow City Duma, mandates have already been distributed and no one is planning to return the money. Trite and simple.
      3. Campanella 13 August 2019 21: 58 New
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        And here is Sobyanin? He is a cog in a mechanism called Russian feudalism. Similar things are happening in many regions. Nearest Peter.
      4. Amin_vivec 14 August 2019 06: 30 New
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        Moscow has everything - infrastructure, culture, medicine. It would be time for this to happen in Russia. Dispose of the consuming Muscovites Pore.
        1. Pissarro 14 August 2019 06: 34 New
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          Interestingly, in Mukho.s.s.a.s.ske actually believe that if they smash Moscow, they will heal? Raguli from Kryzh.opol also believed that they smashed Kiev, and instead of bucks they carry wild bills for kamunalka and funerals)
          1. Amin_vivec 17 August 2019 22: 49 New
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            No, Moscow simply has to fulfill its true goal - the Imperial Center, and now it’s just a “malignant tumor” on the body of the country. It should not create privileged conditions for the "elite" by pumping resources from the periphery. Its task is to develop the periphery - by consolidating the efforts of the whole country - an example is the Crimean bridge, a spaceport in the Far East.
            AND YOU ALL GAY PARADES.
            To dissolve is not to smash)))
  • Paranoid50 12 August 2019 22: 09 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    It was still bad weather.

    laughing Right And even more would have been brought from the regions, including the grimy “citizens”. And the fagots would have been pulled even more - it was as if the rain had scared them away ... yes Stop ... What, to the demon, rain ?! To the present no natural disasters should interfere with the wrestler. am There, the Jamaicans came to this party. wassat True, they said that they had some kind of drumming, and they were in favor of the rights of blacks. laughing
    P.S. Really let it go ... laughing I see, I see: rendered on the old nickname. Hey-bo, funny people: back and forth, jump-jump, poke-toe, and at the exit - zilch. wassat
    1. Dante Alighieri 13 August 2019 18: 40 New
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      Well riot police from all over the country to the territory of the Higher Officer Courses "Shot" named after Marshal of the Soviet Union B. M. Shaposhnikov near Solnechnogorsk? They are brought in, moreover, regularly and in rotation. So how do some methods differ from others. The owners of those others have the same training manuals too.
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        Well riot police from all over the country

        With all my heart, the evening is done ... wassat Sincere thanks. hi laughing
  • smart ass 13 August 2019 08: 22 New
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    Pension reform, trash, increase of VAT Only this is enough to take to the streets
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      That's right, and dissolve the armed forces and evil law enforcement agencies, go under external control, officials only from the EU and the USA for the transition period, split up into small states with a confederation for the same transition period, and for 40 years raise Russians of a democratic type, with the aim of gradual regions of entry into the EU.

      In Russia, there are many supporters of such a choice in all segments of the population; we have enough traitors under any regime.
  • Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 07 New
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    it’s time to think about it already, the people are arriving ...
    Svarog (Vladimir) Yesterday, 14: 59

    By 18.00 p.m. on August 10, the “people” had already dispersed, after listening to a concert with drug addicts and screaming senseless slogans ..... laughing
  • New Year day 13 August 2019 11: 54 New
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    It’s still the weather was bad .. it’s time to think about it already, people are arriving ..

    And if Sobyanin clouds dispersed, how many would be?
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    Well, it seems to go, go.
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    Last Saturday, about 50 thousand participants of the protest rally against the non-admission of candidates to the elections gathered on Sakharov Avenue. This is the most massive protest in Russia since the opposition’s protests on Bolotnaya Square.
    What's the point ?! The authorities do not feel threatened for themselves.

    If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.
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      If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.

      If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Greenwood
        If anything, Rosguard will be poisoned.

        If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..

        There’s not enough money for half a million.
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          And you would only go to the rally for money ??
          Really even would not agree to write posts for free ??)
      3. irion 13 August 2019 07: 44 New
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        As long as the law and the rights of the majority are not violated, the Rosguard minority need not be afraid.
        If the law is violated by the minority, then the Russian Guard will come into action.
        If the Rosgvardia does not want / cannot cope, then the majority will enter the matter.
      4. Alex Nevs 13 August 2019 09: 12 New
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        half a million? What are you doing? This is the maximum that they collected. Repeat "Ukrobespredel" will not give. There, all laws are torn, as a result, there is a complete “Valtsman tomos.” There is no future in the near future .. Do you want this?
    2. Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 19 New
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      The authorities do not feel threat to themselves

      It’s not just that it doesn’t feel, but it’s as if it’s mocking - during the days of rallies, the president “lies to the bottom” in the Gulf of Finland, then “rolls” Aksenov in a motorcycle in the Crimea. As if making it clear that all these people are not interested in him.
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        As if making it clear that all these people are not interested in him

        And with what hangover this sharashka, who is protesting (officially, at least) against the problems of their candidates for the Moscow City Duma, should be interested in the President of the Russian Federation? These are the problems of the Moscow City Hall, as a maximum ... no higher request
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          These are the problems of the Moscow City Hall, as a maximum ... no higher

          Moscow is a "showcase" of the whole country. People came out not because MHD decides something, but to protest the quality of government (including the distribution of benefits) as a whole. About this and the article, and the video under it. The number of citizens with "radical" views who want qualitative changes, which the pro-government Communist Party, LDPR and SR cannot actually provide, has reached 84% (https://rossaprimavera.ru/article/f6415319). And these 84% include a significant number of liberals and conservatives.
          1. irion 13 August 2019 07: 47 New
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            No more than 2%. See the results of the last presidential election.
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              No more than 2%. See the results of the last presidential election.

              This is not an indicator. The president did not say before the election at whose expense the “breakthrough” announced by him should take place. And what will be the "new" composition of the Cabinet.
              Do you remember Trump Pence? For comparison.
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            And where are these 84%? 20-50 thousand. Brought from all over the country (and not only ours) to Moscow? To respond to this? In Crimea, he was waiting for a lot more people who were much more worthy of his arrival. And reacting to a bunch of rams is the destiny of Navalny and other liberals.
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              In Crimea, a lot more people were waiting for him.

              I am inclined to the fact that once again he was "framed" by PR specialists - in an attempt to create an alternative information guide for a television picture in the days of rallies.
              I can’t personally verify the information about the number of “brought” ones (I’m sure there were such, but the overwhelming minority), but I know for sure that this version is broadcast on TV and therefore does not inspire confidence in me personally.
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          And with what hangover this sharashka

          Did you see Sergunina’s refutation of the "investigation of Navalny" (I understand that he did not investigate)? Maybe she sued the defense of honor and dignity - no? Or maybe the TFR has begun to investigate (recently, and they have been taking videos in court)?
          I have not heard anything about this. Instead, arrogant silence and an attempt to shift attention from the essence of the issue to the sources of financing of FBK. That is why the people came out - the slogan "I am in a rage" is highly correlated with the sentiments of many, many citizens.
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            Quote: DigitalError
            arrogant silence and an attempt to shift attention from the substance to the sources of financing of FBK
            So Navalny formally has nothing to complain about. He takes data in Rosreestr and similar foreign organizations.
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            I'm furious

            This is noticeable in the quantity and quality of what you wrote.

            Quote: DigitalError
            That’s why the people came out - the slogan “I am furious” is highly correlated with the sentiments of many, many citizens

            Even the so kind 35000 that you supposedly attended on Sakharov’s account for 0,0021875% of the country's population. It will be a little (s). And it really does not pull on the 84% that you voiced there.

            Conclusion: all these dances around the failed rally (much to the regret of the liberty) of the rally and the “victim for the truth of Navalny” are a consequence of the fact that they somehow are not succeeding in the new Bolotnaya. Sadness.

            Keep jumping yes
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              Conclusion: all these dances around the failed (unfortunately liberdi) rally

              Yes, just tired. laughing They stopped the hunt for rallies when at school the portrait of Brezhnev was handed on November 7. Or on the first of May, I forgot already ... crying
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              Even so kind to you 35000

              You do not understand my motives. I am trying to show that the time has come for real social concessions (and not, if I’m not mistaken, + 244 rubles to the pension of working pensioners) otherwise this amount (the largest in recent years) will increase. I am an opponent of the “Maidan” (if implemented, management will immediately be seized in the interests of anyone, but not the people), and the current economic paradigm - this is for you to understand.
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                You do not understand my motives ...

                ... because you are indistinct in places. Good, I heard you.

                Quote: DigitalError
                it's time for real social concessions

                Maybe. But those, now holding a rally, need not social, but quite political "concessions." And this is exactly what personally concerns me.

                The same Navalny (damn, caught the tongue) problems of pensioners - deeply shed. You do not reflect, you distribute (c).

                Quote: DigitalError
                I am an opponent of both the "Maidan" (in the case of which management will immediately be seized in the interests of anyone, but not the people), and the current economic paradigm

                Wonderful. That's just the position "I am against" has never been constructive. But you really have nothing to offer. And now you are working (objectively) precisely on the program for which you poured money out of a puddle not so long ago ... probably - you do it completely disinterestedly, but, nevertheless, you do it request
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                  And you work now (objectively) precisely for that program for which money was poured out of a puddle not so long ago

                  I do not think so. And there is something to offer.
                  Sometimes you don’t see everything at once - I answered you in a personal message, so as not to "flood" here.
              2. Alex Nevs 13 August 2019 09: 15 New
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                And how did you want to lead the country on capitalist rails? USSR - was in the past. But this will be 100% in the future.
          3. irion 13 August 2019 07: 51 New
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            And since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea ??????
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              since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea?

              Nobody talks about wine - this is the subject of proceedings by the competent authorities on a common basis. But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.
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                But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.

                I do not agree.
                Is the accused obliged to refute and prove his innocence?
                Navalny was already in conflict with Usmanov. And how did it end?
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                  And how did it end?

                  Usmanov became a video blogger smile Zolotov also filed a lawsuit against him - he did not remember how it ended (and ended?), But reacted
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                    Navalny lost the trial to Usmanov.
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                Quote: DigitalError
                Quote: irion
                since when did the lack of reaction become a guilty plea?

                Nobody talks about wine - this is the subject of proceedings by the competent authorities on a common basis. But it all looks lousy - agree. And it certainly requires a reaction and not the same as it is now.


                Those. come up to you and ask aloud - did you stop drinking cognac in the morning? or - do you still go to a gay club? And now you need to start the trial and make excuses: - did not drink, - how did not drink ?! and prove it! didn’t go to a gay club ?! where was it then? and then? and let us have you go to the proctologist for tests ... whatever you want ?! mean went!
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                  Those. come up to you and ask loudly

                  The comparison may be successful, but it is true for ordinary citizens, and not for officials who are responsible for fulfilling the needs of voters (election program). Silence is perceived precisely as the absence of objections in essence. Submit a lawsuit, appoint your representative and recover costs by a court decision (as Usmanov did) - no one asks for personal excuses and personal attendance at meetings. To be silent means to increase suspicion, that's all.
                  1. irion 13 August 2019 21: 19 New
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                    Most ignore such suspicions, because the current rulers still benefit more than the costs.
      2. irion 13 August 2019 07: 45 New
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        I suppose that power in Russia is simply oriented towards the majority of citizens, that is, it stands on the democratic principles of state governance.
        1. Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 45 New
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          And rightly so good
        2. Campanella 13 August 2019 22: 08 New
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          The power of the majority is not democracy. And in Russia it’s not even there!
          1. Fourth Horseman 14 August 2019 06: 18 New
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            Wow! There are still suckers who believe in some kind of democracy ...
            1. irion 15 August 2019 09: 24 New
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              Suckers rush to extremes: then everything is wonderful in the USSR, then the West is a role model.
              Democracy does not mean that with it the power is with the most honest, decent, competent and responsible people. Not at all. It’s just that in a democracy, pretenders to power struggle among themselves in the eyes of the majority, forcibly offering the majority one or another bun. And if the election winner does not fulfill his promises, then, as a rule, he has no chance of being reelected.
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              That's just the point, Western propaganda works. Freedom, democracy, but there is neither one nor the other. There are interests of capital, multinational companies, financial institutions and the government itself. The people below this pyramid.
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            The power of the majority is not democracy. And in Russia it’s not even there!

            Democracy - is translated from Latin as "the power of the people." The power of which part of the people: majority or minority? Does the minority or majority win the election? ))))))))))
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              I say it is not. But even that ersatz that exists in the west in Russia we do not have. We just have feudalism.
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                Justify. No need for allegations.
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              Quote: irion
              Democracy - is translated from Latin as "the power of the people."

              Actually, this is a translation from Greek.
              Quote: irion
              The power of which part of the people: majority or minority? Does the minority or majority win the election? ))))))))))

              In Athens of those times there were two layers of society - demos (wealthy people) and plebs (poor, slaves, foreigners). And the admission to the elections was by property qualification. So democracy in its original form is the power of wealthy people (protecting ONLY their rights).
      3. Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 20 New
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        Why should the President be concerned about the elections to the Moscow City Duma? And by the way, if the "effective and creative" gathered 50 thousand people at their rally, why didn’t they collect 50 thousand signatures?

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          why didn’t they collect 50 thousand signatures?

          Maybe because initially they did not want to collect them, but counted on a scandal?
          They had enough time to collect signatures - they could have collected with double reserve.
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      ... I wonder why Mendel has no bald spot ...
  • Gardamir 12 August 2019 15: 02 New
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    Another opinion
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    here we jumped and got to Moscow.
    Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?
    What, will not dynamize real attempts to oppose? will be.
    The crowd goes out into the street under false slogans and achieve empty goals.
    This is terrible. There is only 2 step left to the pots on the head and the puke of dignity.
    1. rocket757 12 August 2019 15: 09 New
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      People will always be not happy with power when it is anti-people .....
      The protest, this is an intermediate form, may become worse, but not now and not under the banners - Choose us, everything will be fine with us !!! - large masses no longer believe in such fairy tales, therefore they suffer, wait .... they don’t know what they are waiting for, however!
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        so far the only thing that can be done is to organize in real trade unions and self-government councils at the place of stay - this is the only force that can really help, not by promises. We have no real levers of influence on the government, except for this and the absence of elections. Rallies, meetings, tweets, retweets are just a couple release
        1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 32 New
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          the only thing you can do is organize in real unions

          Unions in enterprises? Get fired right away ..
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            Unions in enterprises? Get fired right away ..

            capital always starts from this.
            but on the other hand, any jamb - and you still get fired immediately, but for now, slowly, slowly
            tighten the nuts. Now the average salary for 10 years has almost doubled its purchasing power and continues to decline. You will quietly and imperceptibly meet the fact that you come close to the edge, or rather you will be let down.
            Already today, the average salary does not even ensure the full reproduction of labor resources - many are only enough for current expenses.
            In the difficult restructuring in the 90s, the Ginny coefficient (social stratification) was around 12. Now, according to recent forecasts, it is above 18. In Europe, if it only approaches 9, French yellow vests across the country begin.
            1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 56 New
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              any jamb - and you still get fired immediately

              The creation of trade unions for the capitalist is not just a jamb, but a big jamb, if of course, the union is not manual .. For this reason I write that this measure is not working from the realm of fiction. After the collapse of the USSR, such an institution as trade unions is no longer relevant. even in France this movement is dying.
              For the rest, I agree with your comments.
              1. rocket757 12 August 2019 17: 50 New
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                The unions had periods of rise and fall !!! But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.
                ONLY OWN TRADE UNIONS, and then enlargement and unification, there is nothing else!
                1. Svarog 12 August 2019 17: 59 New
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                  But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.

                  The working people have nothing left, that's right. But no one will allow the trade unions to raise their heads. The organizers will be fired right away when they get to know about them. This movement, may be possible in Russia, only under the auspices of the state. But our state is bourgeois and he definitely does not need this smut. So, the working people have nothing left but to work from dusk to dawn and get a penny for it .. and it’s good if there is work.
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                    Quote: rocket757
                    But everyone returns to him, because the working people did not have anything else left.

                    The working people have nothing left, that's right. But no one will allow the trade unions to raise their heads. The organizers will be fired right away when they get to know about them. This movement, may be possible in Russia, only under the auspices of the state. But our state is bourgeois and he definitely does not need this smut. So, the working people have nothing left but to work from dusk to dawn and get a penny for it .. and it’s good if there is work.

                    They are afraid of wolves ...... we have nothing to lose but our chains !!!
                    Ancestors went through all this !!! And we????
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                      Ancestors went through all this !!!

                      And they won the War against Capitalism in the 1945 year. And now, the political heirs of the people who surrendered the Soviet project teach us to love our homeland and make an expensive cult out of the Second World War for lack of another ideology and new (great!) Achievements.
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                        Quote: DigitalError
                        And they won the War against Capitalism in the 1945 year. And now, the political heirs of the people who surrendered the Soviet project teach us to love our homeland and make an expensive cult out of the Second World War for lack of another ideology and new (great!) Achievements.

                        Soviet country was built by the CREATORS! They were not angels and made quite a few mistakes, on a new, unknown path! But they CREATED a Country for PEOPLE .....
                        Now they are not building the country either, they are actually ruining it and certainly not for the people! Only for your beloved ones.
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                        You speak with loud slogans, but miss the point. Before building something in the Soviet Union, these creators how many looted and destroyed, how many killed, don’t you remember? You will probably say that in order to create something new, you must first get rid of the old, but this approach contradicts your own statement.
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                        Firstly Secondly Thirdly!
                        Quote: Voyager
                        ? You will probably say that in order to create something new, you must first get rid of the old, but this approach contradicts your own statement.

                        I do not call for the overthrow of power and the replacement of the system! I see no prerequisites, there is no revolutionary situation.
                        Nowhere and never have revolutions passed peacefully, without cataclysms. The difference is only in scale ..... our country is large, the scale of everything, everything, is grandiose!
                        Nobody can do without slogans. Proven method, why refuse?
                        Even in the system in which we live, it is possible and necessary to fight for our rights! It is necessary to unite in different ways, professional, party, class !!! If only there was a sense!
                        If you do nothing at all ....... what will happen then?
                2. region58 14 August 2019 10: 01 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  we have nothing to lose except our chains !!! ... ... And we ????

                  If you think about it, then all the same, the vast majority of people have something to lose. yes And the rest too ...
                  IMHO, of course.
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                    Quote: region58
                    If you think about it, then all the same, the vast majority of people have something to lose. And the rest too ...
                    IMHO, of course

                    How not to think, there is always something to lose!
                    What kind of dealer, how much more can you get, or even an edge, and you want to get at least something, because the fact that you can lose valuable does not seem at all!
                    Now the first seems more relevant ... since the second, this is already before the revolutionary / rebellious situation!
              2. Campanella 12 August 2019 23: 45 New
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                Horror to what people brought. I remember how I worked in Soviet times, the song! And a dispensary and its own clinic, rest houses, pioneer camps, a bunch of sporting events. And now this real system ...
                1. Den1989 13 August 2019 13: 52 New
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                  Well then, the Union fell apart? Everything was so fabulous. Maybe there were few dispensaries and sporting events? Or did capitalism still want to?
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                    You will not believe, nobody wanted capitalism. They wanted it to be even better, but under socialism. But the ruling abominations decided in their own way.
                  2. Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 23 New
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                    Of course I won’t believe it. Young people mostly wanted to. Chewing gum, jeans, etc. You know, I am not an opponent of the USSR, but it was not possible to create what it was created for (and it was created at the cost of great sacrifices and losses). And returning it all back makes no sense. There were many pluses, but the minuses, since it broke up, there were still more. The second time on the same rake, nothing good will come of it.
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              Your fate should have been decided under the thunder of tanks like on broken streets in Syria. There was no other future for you. You are now popping here only because this has not happened. It did not happen by the will of one person who came to power. Something better turned out something worse. But On the verge of war with another state. And you are cracking about the "change" "we are here power" and pots on the head soon. The country should not have existed anymore, and you are complaining that "they don’t give meat to tigers."
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                "we are power here"

                The authorities should have hired Navalny to “clean the ranks” based on his investigations. But that won't happen, right? And they should have the next (!) Time to allow the same Sable to the polls - when she gets her 2%, then you will derogatoryly say about the "crackling", before that your maxims are nothing more than speculation. But it will not be allowed, right? Because in the absence of a political alternative, it will gain much more. And since Moscow is a showcase of the country, the "domino effect" will begin. This is what the supporters of the status quo are afraid of - and you are well aware of this.
                1. rocket757 13 August 2019 08: 21 New
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                  The authorities should have hired Navalny to “clean the ranks” based on his investigations.

                  As soon as "so honest" gets in .... he gets shorter, changes his shoes at once or the SYSTEM breaks him!
                  The vicious system is eliminated, replaced by a completely different !!! This can only be done by ANOTHER SYSTEM !!! Systematic modernization is possible, but this is also SYSTEM work and it requires more efforts than to scrapping .....
                  In short, all this is very difficult and what a recipe to apply here and now, for sure no one will tell you!
                  Only ALL TOGETHER, ONLY FRIENDLY, ONLY ..... the eternal question, what to do?
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                  I advise in a hickey to kiss the image of Navalny.
                3. rocket757 13 August 2019 19: 55 New
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                  Have you tried it? Did it help?
                  If it helped, then from what?
              2. region58 14 August 2019 10: 13 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                Systematic modernization is possible, but this is also SYSTEM work and it requires more efforts than to scrapping .....

                In addition, time is also needed a lot ...
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                In addition, time is also needed a lot

                And time and people, consider it special, are needed! In short, oh how simple it is!
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          You are now popping here only because this has not happened. It did not happen by the will of one person who came to power. Something better, something worse

          GDP looks quite adequate precisely in the system that we have. CAPITALISM, i.e. the power of the rich and for the rich! He speaks a lot, "beautifully", sometimes in a swoop, even solves some problems (this is about internal affairs) .... but still a persistent feeling that the authorities are mainly busy solving problems for themselves, and a lot of problems are falling on the people. The farther from the capital, the more people fall!
          The question is, and who might like it ???
          Moscow protests, this is past the bulk of the citizens, there is not for the people, but for themselves in power .... we do not need this naf! At the expense of pots on their heads .... some believe that the pan saves when everything is pouring on top !!! But when on the rest of the body, there is no “living” place, MANY pans will be removed! And then what will happen !!!
          1. irion 13 August 2019 10: 19 New
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            CAPITALISM, i.e. the power of the rich and for the rich

            There is no capitalism. This is an invention of Marxism.
            There is a market economy and a planned one. A planned one is a social experiment that ordered a long life. The planned economy remained only in the DPRK and in Cuba. In China, a market economy.
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            Yes, whatever you call it, if only it climbed into the basket.
            Of fundamental importance is the fact that the means of production belong to the party! Not a shovel with a scythe, but newspapers, factories, steamboats, etc. ......
            At the expense of the PLAN ...... without plans, planning, NOBODY does! More-less. The USSR and countries following the same path brought the planning system to the absolute. The opposite side has left a lot to the mercy / management of private owners, their associations ....... the state retains significant levers for managing everything and everything, not just by order, but by other methods.
            Over time, everything should be modernized !!! In accordance with the changed situation ..... in the USSR, pro-m ... let this moment go! Nothing good came of it.
            All the same, this is an intermediate stage and nothing is finished yet.
          3. irion 13 August 2019 12: 35 New
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            Komscheu owns the means of production!

            In a market economy, they always belong to people or companies. In a failed plan, the state and certain collective farms. Will we argue about the effectiveness of collective farms too? )

            In a market economy, the business plan is the business itself. subject (company or individual entrepreneur) for himself.
            In a planned economy, a business plan for the company (even private artels under Stalin) is developed by the state planning authority: what, what, how many pieces to produce; to whom, at what price to ship. This system has successfully failed wherever it was. The remnants we have the opportunity to observe in the DPRK and in Cuba. Soooo successful economies. )

            What is not over: Marxism is an economy based on the dominance of state ownership of the means of production? So that's it already. As be history has put everything in its place. The experiment showed its non-viability in peacetime. Since this is a mobilization system that allows you to win the war, but in the long run in conditions of global peaceful competition, it is inferior to the usual market economy.
            Or is it still not clear to you?
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            In a market economy, they always belong to people or companies.

            "Tales of their town" .... to understand who, in fact, what belongs, you need a lot, a lot, read, listen! Specially asked, read ..... very entertaining! So, everything belongs to specific, often not public faces, small specific groups of faces! PEOPLE can only own door handles from the offices of serious, large companies.
            We don’t touch every little thing, it can be different there.
            Quote: irion
            We will also argue about the effectiveness of collective farms

            The collective farm, as a method of conducting agricultural activities, is very effective when the economy is large. Now it comes to that, they just call it differently !!!!
            To remove the ideology, to remove the excessive leadership from above, to enlarge / merge and voila, the collective farm under the name HOLDING! See what and how is being done in the world? Where and to whom small-scale agricultural producers are transformed ...... a typical collective farm
            For the history of the century, a short episode, several volumes in the library ... and now a few not very large files on the disk!
            Nothing is finished while people live. Another question, will we see if we wait? If not, then the descendants will see.
            It makes no sense to argue, so, a warm-up for the tail!
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            everything belongs to specific, often not public faces

            Are these aliens or demons?
            The collective farm, as a method of conducting agricultural activities, is very effective when the economy is large.

            And was Soviet agriculture highly effective? )
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            And was Soviet agriculture highly effective? )

            But in different ways! From state farms to millionaires to crawling on the grooves.
            The reasons for this are different, objective, stupid and just criminal. The topic is extensive and requires careful analysis.
            However, as a result, there are many large agricultural producers successfully using collective farms in the world. It is a pity that we were not able to unleash its potential.
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            But in different ways! From state farms to millionaires to crawling on the grooves.
            The reasons for this are different, objective, stupid and just criminal. The topic is extensive and requires careful analysis.
            However, as a result, there are many large agricultural producers successfully using collective farms in the world. It is a pity that we were not able to unleash its potential.

            It is not necessary about the world, it is about the effectiveness of the collective farm system in the USSR. There is no point in talking about individual successful collective farms; we are talking about the system as a whole. and what was its effectiveness? )))
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            Personal, amateurish opinion - the country did not starve, but much that they could produce was not enough!
            Why and how it was, you need to understand!
            I repeat not the first time - I do not think that the management methods from above, by everything and everything, in the country were the best, advanced! Modernization of both the industry itself and management methods was not carried out on time !!! This is the fault of the top party leadership and their subordinates, because it was they who ruled everything!
            That is, I will not hang the label "flayer", but that "boobies of the king of heaven" is for sure !!! Which in the end was shown.
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            Why and how it was, you need to understand!

            So life has already put everything in its place: the collective farm system is ineffective, modern market agriculture is breaking one record after another. )
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            The fact is that there are no Soviet collective farms, as well as the state that generated them!
            The collective farming method successfully exists along with private farms.
            Those. an attempt to rely on ideology, to be guided by non-rational, economic principles in economic activity, did not lead to anything good, this is also an objective fact.
            Not against the collective farm, against everything that was hung on them from above and prevented them from working successfully! Although some people worked successfully in such a situation .... this is not a miracle, it was just that the leaders were wise, and those who were watching nearby and above did not rest on their horn ... they probably understood something in the economy and agriculture, i.e. there were no fools either!
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            Those. an attempt to rely on ideology, to be guided by non-rational, economic principles in economic activity, did not lead to anything good, this is also an objective fact.

            That is, nevertheless, the Soviet collective farm system was generally extremely ineffective. )
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            If you separate the Soviet and collective management (collective farm), then there is a field for discussion!
            It is clear that then it was not separable, but we are considering the question of the past and various options for consideration are possible in order to understand what was the mistake.
            The "guilty" Soviet leaders were often sent to agriculture (there is such an opinion). If we assume that it was so, these frames were of lower quality to understand what! They were interested in a quick increase in all sorts of indicators, in any way, in order to justify themselves to their superior "comrades" and return upstairs to "paradise". What could remain after such ur-radishes, where they "rustled"?
            It turns out that the collective farms survived despite the "efforts" of such leaders ... There are many more similar facts that cannot be ignored ..... this is apart from objective reasons that impede the development of agriculture in the USSR.
            In general, even the definition of the Soviet, socialist, can be considered as many different .... circumstances, reasons, factors, actions gathered in one force, but it turned out, worked out in a row in the end.
            Those. I do not consider socialism \ communism a dead end way of development .... but our attempt, the experiment ended in failure ..... it happens, a negative result, also a result, information for consideration!
          13. irion 15 August 2019 13: 40 New
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            If you separate the Soviet and collective management (collective farm)

            We are considering the Soviet collective farm system.
            Soviet planned economy has proved its viability.
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            Then EVERYTHING was Soviet, i.e. under the vigilant leadership of party organs !!!
            These guys, the majority, led, pardoned / punished quickly and specifically, if that. They were millstones, which often ground everyone and everything!
            I PERSONALLY went through this when I bounced along the Komsomol line, that is, I sent everyone to a well-known address ...... these were the times of the USSR, I worked for ... in short, my tolerances were null, only that saved me, t. e. there was no one to replace at that moment! and then, when he returned from the “campaign” everyone pretended that there was nothing!
            So, believe me, the instructor from the regional committee is a BEAST, which without us, um ... protection could not be allowed to people!
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            Then EVERYTHING was Soviet

            We are considering that - the Soviet.
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            Soviet, it’s just a term that combines a lot of different things!
            Without putting everything on the shelves, you can dance around and around for a long time, without really understanding anything!
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            Soviet - this is what was the product of the RSFSR, and after 1922 - the USSR.
            What is unclear here ?. )
  • tracer 13 August 2019 19: 57 New
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    Here are those on but the Chinese do not know? For information to you. In China, the economies of the largest state monopolies that form the backbone of engineering, energy and agriculture are precisely the planned ones. We heard the system of state plans! Everything that does not concern this is not planned. Does it all come to you? Rest even with a horn, this will show your incompetence.
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    tracer Today, 19:57

    The question is, to whom exactly is this message?
    I suggest at least something to celebrate!
    And then either idle, or the answer is not from the one to whom they addressed
    By the way, did they offer Navalny to whom?
    That's it.
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    Navalny suggested using the afflicted with the question “How long?”.
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  • irion 13 August 2019 20: 13 New
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    Here are those on but the Chinese do not know?

    Look at the Constitution of the PRC, it says "market economy" in black and white. And several times: the preamble, Articles 11 and 15.
    https://chinalaw.center/constitutional_law/china_constitution_revised_2018_russian/
    In fact, both private and state-owned Chinese companies operate on a self-financing basis - according to their own business plan.

    You don’t know, but you’re climbing. )
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    The basis of the national economy was state and collective property, on the basis of which a system of centralized planned economy was created on the model of the Soviet economy.
    Any questions? About the CCP (this is not the sound of hooves. "I just don’t mention it.
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  • irion 13 August 2019 21: 13 New
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    The basis of the national economy was state and collective property, on the basis of which a system of centralized planned economy was created on the model of the Soviet economy.

    A market economy (preamble, Articles 11 and 15 of the Constitution of the PRC) with Chinese characteristics implies that Chinese both state and private companies conduct business on the basis of self-financing, that is, it is a full-fledged entrepreneurial activity, and not a planned economy.
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    Here are those on but the Chinese do not know?

    This is written in black and white in the Constitution of the PRC: in the preamble, in Articles 11 and 15.
    In fact, Chinese and state-owned and private companies operate on the basis of self-financing: they make up a business plan for themselves.
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    There is nothing at all, there is only one man, vile, ugly, another sweet and good ...)))
    There is no pure market or planned economy, a symbiosis for a long time.
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    There is no pure market or planned economy, a symbiosis for a long time.

    And where is such a mixed system?
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    A planned one is a social experiment that ordered a long life. The planned economy remained only in the DPRK and in Cuba. In China, a market economy.

    Firstly, since the planned economy remained, it did not rest in a Bose. Secondly, it is Cuba and North Korea that show its strength. How old are both these countries under sanctions? Nevertheless, they live and even somehow develop. Thirdly, in China it is not a purely market economy, but a hybrid of market and planned. Like in Japan. Like the Pacific Tigers. That is, countries that over the past 40-50 years have developed at a frantic pace. The same Japan, by the way, has an education system - the Soviet one, which Russia (the best in the world) has refused (like, Bologna is more effective).
  • AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 23 New
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    So this is a struggle. Fighting is never easy
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    The first unions were commanded by mafiosi, and such that not only the police but also the special services were afraid of them. The Streybrecher found dead. Here they could represent and defend. And today's, and even on the salary is about anything!
  • free 12 August 2019 19: 31 New
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    organize in real trade unions and local government councils at the place of stay
    Unions are a dead end.
    Here are the tips of self-government at the place of residence, this is the right direction as a way of self-organization of the masses.
    In general, to step forward, the masses of the people need a party, a real, workers 'and peasants' party.
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      Quote: free
      organize in real trade unions and local government councils at the place of stay
      Unions are a dead end.
      Here are the tips of self-government at the place of residence, this is the right direction as a way of self-organization of the masses.
      In general, to step forward, the masses of the people need a party, a real, workers 'and peasants' party.

      Everything was ... unfortunately degraded!
      BUT, nothing else was invented and you have to go along the proven path!
      By the way, trade unions, councils and a working party, DOES NOT DISTURB one another, if we work together !!! Do not conflict forces / organizations that have the task of uniting and supporting the working people !!!
  • dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 21 New
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    Anti-people is still put it mildly. In my city, the ATTENTION social services center announced the preparations for the new school year and the ASSEMBLY OF ASSISTANCE TO LONG-FAMILY FAMILIES FROM CITIZENS. When they ceased to be called the center of SOCIAL PROTECTION, no one has noticed to this day.
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    Well, so we had power - the most popular one. Against her even more came out. And how did it end?
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      Well, so we had power - the most popular one. Against her even more came out. And how did it end?


      What kind of power are you talking about?
      1. g1v2 12 August 2019 22: 59 New
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        Soviet. Such a country was the USSR. As I remember, the rallies of thousands against the "anti-people power of the CPSU." How then did the townsfolk believe that it was only necessary to throw off the CPSU and immediately everything would bloom. Remember the result?
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          Soviet. Such a country was the USSR. As I remember, the rallies of thousands against the "anti-people power of the CPSU." How then did the townsfolk believe that it was only necessary to throw off the CPSU and immediately everything would bloom. Remember the result?


          Seem and be not the same thing, do not you?
          And the USSR of the times of Stalin, for example, is not at all the same as the USSR of the times of Brezhnev.
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            But essentially comments have something to answer?
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              Quote: irion
              But essentially comments have something to answer?


              Well, if for you the difference between seeming and being insignificant remains only fool
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                Clearly, no.
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                  Clearly, no.


                  It is clear that with people like you only talk time wasting.
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                    Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.
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                    Quote: irion
                    Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                    You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.
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                    Quote: irion
                    Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                    You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.

                    Therefore, I stated your discharge - the complete absence of arguments, the fear of losing the discussion.
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                    Quote: free
                    Quote: irion
                    Your discharge is counted - you could not substantiate your point of view.


                    You’re like a grouse on a current, you don’t hear anyone. Yes, and you’re not in a hurry to think. Is it worth the time.

                    Therefore, I stated your discharge - the complete absence of arguments, the fear of losing the discussion.


                    Do not flatter yourself amiable. laughing This is not solid.
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    the townsfolk believed that it was only necessary to throw off the Communist Party and immediately everything would bloom. Remember the result?

    They threw off the CPSU (it didn’t get any better), and today in the Duma, the Federation Council and the Government - “through one” the former members of this party, and some at the same time periodically talk about the demolition of the Mausoleum ... There is no result yet, it continues.
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    not satisfied with the government when it is anti-people ..

    power is it always and everywhere "anti-people" (remember, we said the same thing about laws?), why? because it makes people do things that not all people like .. well, is it enough to extract propaganda from yourself? Power is power, people are people and people cannot be anti-government, and power cannot be anti-people (except in prop. Manuals)
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      and stamp again

      This is on your .... stamp somewhere, but I have the COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
      The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!
      PS ..... but there were, dissatisfied, always will be.
      1. irion 13 August 2019 07: 59 New
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        COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
        The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

        The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
        The CPSU, which no one elected.
        There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
        Anti-people power as it is.
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          Quote: irion
          The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
          The CPSU, which no one elected.
          There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
          Anti-people power as it is.

          In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
          Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
          A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
          Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.
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            In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
            Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
            A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
            Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.

            The Soviets were local authorities until the end of the Civil War. Then the CPSU (b) seized the fullness of power. There were no elections in the USSR. And "this is a fact that is stupid to deny."
            Denial of the fact of a totalitarian dictatorship in the USSR from the same series. The government was anti-popular (anti-democratic), since the people were not elected. Fact. Try to refute.
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              Clear. The next one that does not get off the pole and repeats, repeats ......
              Not interesting.
              1. irion 13 August 2019 11: 58 New
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                That is, you have nothing to object to. So let's write it down. )
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              In our country, AUTHORITY has gone from the power of the Soviets to the bureaucratic party system of government .... this is a fact that it is stupid to deny.
              Elections have always been, only their essence has changed, just like the government itself.
              A totalitarian term .... you want, repeat this fictional nonsense. The country was socially oriented for people .... there were problems, schools, but this did not change the essence.
              Declare that the power was anti popular ??? And try to prove it, show it on REAL FACTS.

              The Soviets were local authorities until the end of the Civil War. Then the CPSU (b) seized the fullness of power. There were no elections in the USSR. And "this is a fact that is stupid to deny."
              Denial of the fact of a totalitarian dictatorship in the USSR from the same series. The government was anti-popular (anti-democratic), since the people were not elected. Fact. Try to refute.


              One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
              Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
              Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?
              1. irion 13 August 2019 19: 33 New
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                One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
                Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
                Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?

                The dictatorship was not the proletariat, but simply a dictatorship. Citizens did not elect their representatives to the authorities (councils of all levels), and the councils themselves did not have the full power, as they were subordinate to the course of the only legal political party.

                Rights and freedoms are guaranteed: freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. Now the authorities are regularly elected on an alternative basis, there is no single official ideology, media freedom (even too much).
                Maternity capital and allowance for low-income families until the child reaches 3 years of age, bringing the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level is a reduction in social support ???

                Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters. So make a conclusion.
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                  One power of the dictatorship of the proletariat does everything for the working people and those who were and will be (pensioners and students).
                  Another democratic government, which from year to year reduces social support for the people and infringes the people in their rights and freedoms.
                  Which of the bottom is anti-people and why?

                  The dictatorship was not the proletariat, but simply a dictatorship. Citizens did not elect their representatives to the authorities (councils of all levels), and the councils themselves did not have the full power, as they were subordinate to the course of the only legal political party.

                  Rights and freedoms are guaranteed: freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. Now the authorities are regularly elected on an alternative basis, there is no single official ideology, media freedom (even too much).
                  Maternity capital and allowance for low-income families until the child reaches 3 years of age, bringing the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level is a reduction in social support ???

                  Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters. So make a conclusion.


                  Anti-people power is a power that is not elected by the people and is not accountable to voters.
                  that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?
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                    that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?

                    In fact, this is the second criterion for the democracy of power. I just tried not to burden the discussion with excessive theory. But if you want, I can answer in more detail.

                    If we restrict ourselves to only the first criterion (regular alternative elections), then the answer is this: if the elected government begins to infringe on the people, then they simply will not be re-elected. )
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                    Quote: irion
                    that is, power is anti-people not because it infringes on the people, but only because it is not elected by the people. Right?

                    In fact, this is the second criterion for the democracy of power. I just tried not to burden the discussion with excessive theory. But if you want, I can answer in more detail.

                    If we restrict ourselves to only the first criterion (regular alternative elections), then the answer is this: if the elected government begins to infringe on the people, then they simply will not be re-elected. )


                    The answer is detailed to the following question.
                    What kind of power can be considered by your anti-people? Only without confusion.
                  4. irion 13 August 2019 20: 17 New
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                    Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.
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                    Quote: irion
                    Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                    Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?
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                    Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

                    It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
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                  Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                  List the signs of anti-people power.
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                  Quote: irion
                  Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                  List the signs of anti-people power.

                  1. She is not elected in regular alternative elections with free agitation.
                  2. It is carried out without taking into account the opinion of the majority of citizens.
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                  Quote: free
                  Quote: irion
                  Power in the USSR, the Nazis, ISIS, the states of Central Asia, Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, most of the Arab states, almost all of Africa and some states of both Americas.


                  List the signs of anti-people power.

                  1. She is not elected in regular alternative elections with free agitation.
                  2. It is carried out without taking into account the opinion of the majority of citizens.


                  You are a funny character laughing . Honestly, it's fun with you.
                  Not the one who oppresses you is bad if he is at least three times democratic. But the one who exercises dictatorship, even if he is a benefactor to the people.
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                  Oppression is symptom # 2: when power is exercised without taking into account the opinions of most citizens.
                  If the opinion of the majority by the authorities is taken into account, then where is the oppression? )))
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                  Oppression is symptom # 2: when power is exercised without taking into account the opinions of most citizens.
                  If the opinion of the majority by the authorities is taken into account, then where is the oppression? )))


                  You know, I have no groundless doubts that people are willing to voluntarily give up old-age pensions, that most of them are for raising the retirement age, for monetizing benefits, for increasing housing and communal services, tariffs, for canceling direct elections of governors, etc. d.
                  So what about the opinion of the majority?
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    COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!
    The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

    The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with a one-party political system and state ideology. The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
    The CPSU, which no one elected.
    There were no elections of deputies to councils of all levels, but there was an uncontested vote for candidates nominated by the CPSU and organizations controlled by it.
    Anti-people power as it is.


    The CPSU was its core, and its Politburo actually controlled the state.
    The CPSU, which no one elected.

    Since what year was this form of government formed?

    Anti-people power as it is.
    Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.
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      The CPSU was its core

      To the top of the party, many questions have very unpleasant! Especially for the late period of her activity!
      So we will not make “saints” of them. They did not save the Great Country !!! There is guilt .... it’s true that there is no one to judge and the sentence now, but it’s a pity!
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      Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.

      Mass repressions, lack of freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. this is how it infringes on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. Or is it very democratic in your universe?
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        Anti-people is not the dictatorship, but the one that adopts laws that infringe upon the freedoms and rights of citizens.

        Mass repressions, lack of freedom of speech, assembly, movement, creativity, entrepreneurship, choice of occupation, departure and entry, etc. this is how it infringes on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. Or is it very democratic in your universe?


        We are not now comparing the USSR and the Russian Federation, if that.
        I'm just trying to understand your criterion for the anti-nationality of power.
        By the way, in modern Russia is power anti-people?
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          This is exactly what is being discussed in this thread.
          The criteria are given above: regular general alternative elections.
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      Since what year was this form of government formed?

      Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.
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        Since what year was this form of government formed?

        Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


        Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?
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          It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
          Quote: free
          Quote: irion
          Since what year was this form of government formed?

          Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


          Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

          It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
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            Quote: irion
            It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
            Quote: free
            Quote: irion
            Since what year was this form of government formed?

            Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


            Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

            It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


            So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?
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              Quote: free
              Quote: irion
              It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
              Quote: free
              Quote: irion
              Since what year was this form of government formed?

              Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


              Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

              It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


              So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?

              You scream here.
              Introduction and indexing of maternal capital, indexing of pensions, allowances, scholarships, equating the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level, the introduction of benefits for large families with low-income families until a child reaches 3 years old is this called a “social network cut from year to year”? )
              We discuss the decisions made, not the proposals.
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              Quote: irion
              Quote: free
              Quote: irion
              It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).
              Quote: free
              Quote: irion
              Since what year was this form of government formed?

              Around the mid-1920s - after the end of the Civil War.


              Is the power of modern Russia anti-people?

              It is democratic both in the way authorities are formed (regular alternative elections with freedom of agitation) and in the way it is implemented (the current government in most cases is sensitive to the majority sentiment).


              So you shouted about the infringement of the rights and freedoms of citizens. And what is it called when they cut the social program from year to year? When do they propose to abolish old-age pensions? When do they propose to ban the operation of old cars, old ones not according to their condition, but how is that?

              You scream here.
              Introduction and indexing of maternal capital, indexing of pensions, allowances, scholarships, equating the minimum wage to the minimum subsistence level, the introduction of benefits for large families with low-income families until a child reaches 3 years old is this called a “social network cut from year to year”? )
              We discuss the decisions made, not the proposals.


              Fine. Let's start with pensions. How much has it been indexed there this year?
  • Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 30 New
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    This is on your .... stamp somewhere, but I have the COAT OF ARMS OF THE COUNCIL OF COUNCIL!

    I don’t see the connection in your statement with mine .. A stamp in a specific context - a psychological stamp, an image, did not understand but furiously rushed to denounce?
    Quote: rocket757
    The power of the people was for the people and can still be reborn!

    This is about what about the Soviet? Those in your "steamboat of intellectuals" are not people ?, "fists" are not people? "whites" are not people? (I won’t even remind you of those who left article 37 before, they will remind you without me). We can also talk about the legal status of collective farmers (having a passport). Or let's recall how the "popular" power sent Tatars or those Chechens to the steppe ?.Of course you can pull an owl on the globe once you like the process but in fact there was a different attitude towards the same Soviet power, in different regions and in different groups of islands in different periods of history, there is enough propaganda from yourself to erupt, you are our Vesuvius.
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      Enough of spewing propaganda from yourself, Vesuvius you ours.

      Better to be Vesuvius than stinky ........
      I didn’t throw dirt at anyone, he answered when they took out a nonsense .... unreasonably / not proved that something was being carried.
      The propaganda is ALL, confirm rarely said.
      Tatars sent on what basis, for what?
      From the Caucasian peoples who was expelled and for what? Lithuanians, zapadennye- Bandera for what?
      On any topic there are documents, justifications ....... lawlessness was not there.
      Another thing is that dubious provisions were enshrined in the laws, ideology leaked everywhere! It is necessary to understand, carefully look at what and why it was!
      Then, and with what to compare ??? If with any International? Are you sure that against their background our laws will look worse? Yes, and different actions, for all a lot. Look, compare.
      ALL are the most, the most, democratic ...... I don’t remember there, but here I remember!
      Is it worth it to climb to us, since the skeletons themselves have enough in the closet.
      And we ourselves must carefully consider our history and finally decide what was done and why! It's time to put a point over E, without any advisers!
  • dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 19 New
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    What is the habit of “Ukrainizing” all events in Russia? This is me about the "jump".
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      yes because nauseously it seems
      go to YouTube and see the old Maidan.
      I do not see the differences. Is that instead of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, we have Lesha Navalnenko and Julia Sobolenko.
      there are other "powers", but most call for grotesque ridiculous things.
      smart people in protest who understand what's what, it’s good if 1 out of 50 and their words are drowning in obscurantism, which is predictably gaining momentum.
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        I do not watch Maidan. I'm not interested
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          Quote: dirk182
          I do not watch Maidan. I'm not interested

          That's exactly why you ask, um, talented questions:

          Quote: dirk182
          What is the habit of “Ukrainizing” all events in Russia? This is me about "jumping"
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        Unlike never:

        1. karabass 12 August 2019 17: 43 New
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          Yes, you’re right, they can grow stronger in the struggle And how prisons will mate and the National Guard will not be afraid of them And our government, instead of seeking decent salaries for people, is spewing patriotic sugar vomit from the TV. I'm afraid to play out
          1. irion 13 August 2019 08: 03 New
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            And our government, instead of seeking decent salaries for people, is spewing patriotic sugar vomit from the TV. I'm afraid to play out

            The government should provide a salary increase ??? Power sets the minimum wage taking into account the capabilities of the economy. Its tasks in the socio-economic sphere are 1) to create conditions for economic growth; 2) to pay pensions and benefits to needy categories of the population.
            1. karabass 13 August 2019 20: 15 New
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              That's right you write; they do not create conditions (for 20 years they couldn’t) and pay miserable pensions and allowances
              I think the power should be changed to a more competent
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                That's right you write; they do not create conditions (for 20 years they could not)

                GDP is growing.
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        yes because nauseously it seems
        go to YouTube and see the old Maidan.

        Everything is new, it’s a well-forgotten old ...))
    2. igorbrsv 12 August 2019 15: 34 New
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      Quote: dirk182
      What is the habit of “Ukrainizing” all events in Russia? This is me about the "jump".

      It’s a painfully similar scenario. They don’t even change him. Apparently works well
  • Dym71 12 August 2019 15: 21 New
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    Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?

    There will be confidence, and with it an occasion to convene the next rally, then more and more, there will be problems, there are enough of them, no doubt, only the current opposition does not look like a creative force, from the word at all, more like destroyers and treacherous people.
    To destroy, only one desire to destroy is enough.
    And to build ...
    There is already not enough. Here you need to work.
    Therefore, we have an unfinished - do not count! (with)
    hi
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    Tell me, what will change with the resignation of Sobyanin, except for the nameplate on the office?

    And what would change if they did not change the article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the article would read like this:
    Article 81
    3. One and the same person may not hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation for more than two terms contract.

    belay
    Perhaps there would not have been a criminal case under the deputy governor of the Irkutsk region ... And a lot of things would not have burned down and did not drown ...
    1. Mordvin 3 12 August 2019 16: 07 New
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      The same person cannot hold the office of President of the Russian Federation for more than two consecutive terms.

      So the country is big, big. That increased the term ... Like the deputies. I remember how Zhirik was yelling about this.
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      Nobody in the Constitution has changed this norm.
      The term of presidential powers was changing: from 4 years was increased to 6.
  • Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 23 New
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    This is terrible. There is only 2 step left to the pots on the head and the puke of dignity.

    That's right. In the absence of an alternative (real opposition), Navalny is consolidating the protest mood - there is simply no one else. As soon as a new "left" political force appears, they will forget about Navalny. The author of the video under the note is an activist of the “Essence of Time” social movement, which collected and handed over to the Presidential Administration a million live signatures against the pension reform, which were ignored, but the people remember this.
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      Quote: DigitalError
      collected and handed over to the Presidential Administration a million live signatures against pension reform, which were ignored

      Read the law on the referendum in the Russian Federation? Read, informative.

      Quote: DigitalError
      people remember this

      Well, then I'm not a people. I do not remember request
      And the people with whom I communicate are also not people. They don’t remember either what
      And the people with whom the people with whom I communicate are also not people. Continue?

      Do not take too much on yourself, stands, damn it, folk? wink
      1. Digital error 13 August 2019 07: 48 New
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        Read the law on the referendum in the Russian Federation?

        The referendum was “washed out” by creating pseudo-initiative groups that, with a high degree of probability, merged everything. And you are well aware of this. Well, that is, neither you, nor your acquaintances, nor their acquaintances know, which in itself does not mean that this was not wink Do not leave the topic - they were just ignored - the president didn’t react, but turned to him, including stretching the corresponding banner in a straight line.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Well, then I'm not a people

        The people, the people. Just not included in the 84% that I talked about, with preferences and a worldview that is different from most.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Do not take too much on yourself, stands, damn it, folk?

        This is called an active civic position. If someone doesn't like her, that's fine wink
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          The referendum was "washed up" by creating pseudo-initiative groups, which, with a high degree of probability ...

          ... understandably. Hiley Likely.

          What is the bottom line, the stands? Of the required two million signatures, half were collected. You’re also bargaining like that in a store - like, I'll give you half, and I definitely have the second? laughing

          Quote: DigitalError
          they were just ignored

          Cool. What was supposed to happen?

          Quote: DigitalError
          The people, the people. Just not included in those 84%

          It's funny In addition to a certain number of Internet entities, for some reason I do not observe such people. 84%, say? Strange strange what

          Quote: DigitalError
          This is called an active civic position.

          This is called not watching the broom. Nobody pushed for you speak on behalf of the people. I, for one, didn’t do it for sure.
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            For example, I didn’t

            On behalf of the people, if I speak, I refer to the results of the opinion poll, the link to which I already gave you (85000 people took part in it - you, with all due respect, have so many friends). I don’t need your “authorized” approval to express my opinion - this is a platform for discussion, no more. The election will decide.
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      As soon as a new “left” political force appears

      Why is it necessarily left? Liberalism is also a left-wing political ideology. And conservatism is right.
  • Prahlad 12 August 2019 21: 53 New
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    Bulk everything will change for the better! Don't even doubt it
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      Quote: Prahlad
      Bulk everything will change for the better! Don't even doubt it

      No, not even for a JOKE, does not roll.
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    The author of the video believes that the power itself built this design, moreover, consciously.
    Does the author of the video have a surname? But I somehow didn’t admit ... And yet, maybe I’m “apolitical reasoning” now, but there’s only one thought through the whole video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do ...
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      Quote: Less
      but a single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do ...

      good
      They would get out of the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until they are 60-65 years old, and they took all the yards with cars and set them up. A decent pedestrian has nowhere to go - around either the Lada-Kalina yellow, or the Urals with a sidecar and engine from a German manufacturer cut. Have seen enough RenTV and forward to the Swamp. It’s as if it was smeared with honey or payments on vouchers and deposits are made ... They scurry around, anhydrite-anhydrite ... There’s no need to give birth to children - in a country with working hands it’s tense, like with workplaces ... belay In a word, the principle of continuity of generations in the payment of pensions was violated ... And here are those who are dissatisfied.
      Maybe they are Protestants in life? I remember this trend in Christianity, which is a combination of independent churches, church unions and denominations ... Ah! It’s in England, but it’ll be cleaner here ...
      You can go to extinguish the taiga ... With backpack fire extinguishers and ointment from mosquitoes against bears ... belay No, but ... They’re twisting along the asphalt (paved) pedestrian path and the roadway in search of the beautiful - well-trained blow with a baton ..
      Yes, they have nothing to do ...
      hi
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        They should get out of the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until 60-65 years

        And that is true! But it’s easier to go to rallies, right? I won’t know how many years before they worked when no one had ever heard of pensions? Could you tell?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There is no need to give birth to children - in a country with working hands it is tense, as well as with jobs ...

        Why not give birth? Instead of rallies, then? It’s as if laid by nature and it’s not so scary to wait for a pension, huh? Or are the children "to live for their beloved" interfere? Neither can you escape at the rally, nor can you change the car again? Well, straight trouble ... And there is no work? Yes, you look around, there is enough work for a hundred years. And the fact that not everyone, like the oligarchs, is paid, is a question of salaries, not jobs. Why replace one concept with another, huh?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        It’s in England, but it’ll be cleaner here ...
        You can go to stew the taiga ...

        Where did taiga come from in England? Or are you talking about ours? Then yes, if there was nothing to do, then they could go and put out. Well, any trip and accommodation is cheaper than a seedy iPhone for money. Again, a useful thing. But they don’t go, radishes are bad. They cannot go far from their “sofa”. And what kind of PR for the protesters would be, huh? Well this is not with bikers on the “Urals” to dissect, right? But something seems that such a PR to the protesters in FIG is not needed. It’s necessary to work there, and not to hang out under cameras, right? Although now the camera is not a problem, what remains? That's right - they don’t want to do a dumb point. Now, if someone had done for them, then they wholeheartedly, and so the current remains to go to rallies ...
        Quote: ROSS 42
        They are twisted along an asphalt (paved) footpath and roadway in search of a beautiful - well-trained blow with a police baton ..

        Well, he who seeks will find! I hope no one goes deprived !!! hi
        PS By the way, a fat plus for your sense of humor and the absence of meaningless slogans)
        1. The popuas 12 August 2019 16: 29 New
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          They should get out of the couch and go to work for 15-18 thousand rubles a month until 60-65 years

          And that is true! But it’s easier to go to rallies, right? I won’t know how many years before they worked when no one had ever heard of pensions? Do not tell me? ...... And what about the 15-18 tyrov modestly kept silent, did not comment ... wink
        2. free 12 August 2019 19: 39 New
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          And the fact that not everyone, like the oligarchs, is paid, is a question of salaries, not jobs.


          And the question of jobs and their salaries is where and to whom? What determines the amount of salaries?
          1. Den1989 13 August 2019 14: 05 New
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            Your qualifications and skills determine "salary amounts."
            1. free 13 August 2019 18: 26 New
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              Quote: Den1989
              Your qualifications and skills determine "salary amounts."


              Do you yourself calculate the salary based on your qualifications and experience?
              1. Den1989 14 August 2019 00: 40 New
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                No. Based on my qualifications and experience, I move up the career ladder and make money.
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                  Quote: Den1989
                  No. Based on my qualifications and experience, I move up the career ladder and make money.


                  So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary. And what affects?
                  1. Den1989 15 August 2019 10: 29 New
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                    It is my qualifications and experience that influence the opportunity to be in the position that I occupy. Accordingly, depending on what position I am in, I get such a salary. Accordingly, it is my qualifications and experience that directly affect my salary. In my opinion, everything is logical. I don’t understand where such a conclusion comes from: "So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary."
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                      Quote: Den1989
                      It is my qualifications and experience that influence the opportunity to be in the position that I occupy. Accordingly, depending on what position I am in, I get such a salary. Accordingly, it is my qualifications and experience that directly affect my salary. In my opinion, everything is logical. I don’t understand where such a conclusion comes from: "So your qualifications and experience do not directly affect your salary."


                      Are you an employee? If so, your employer determines the level of payment. Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profit, regardless of your experience or qualifications?
                      1. Cat man null 15 August 2019 16: 42 New
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                        Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profits regardless of your experience or qualifications?

                        Yes Easy. Only I can just as easily take away from him for a salary, one and a half times as much.

                        Do not believe it, but it works. And for some reason no one cuts my salary, although there have already been difficulties with “profit” and now there are yes
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                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: free
                        Can an employer raise or lower your salary depending on a decrease or increase in profits regardless of your experience or qualifications?

                        Yes Easy. Only I can just as easily take away from him for a salary, one and a half times as much.

                        Do not believe it, but it works. And for some reason no one cuts my salary, although there have already been difficulties with “profit” and now there are yes


                        And since it can easily. It means not your experience and qualification affects the level of salary, but profit, its growth or decline. And your experience and qualification affect your attractiveness to the employer on the labor exchange.
                        That's so mister Den1989.
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                        And since it can easily ...

                        I don’t understand what is bad with you - with reading, or with reading comprehension:

                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        ... for some reason no one cuts my salary, although there have already been difficulties with “profit” and now there are

                        That is - theoretically - it can. Practically - prefers not to do this.

                        So clearer? wink
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                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: free
                        And since it can easily ...

                        I don’t understand what is bad with you - with reading, or with reading comprehension:

                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        ... for some reason no one cuts my salary, although there have already been difficulties with “profit” and now there are

                        That is - theoretically - it can. Practically - prefers not to do this.

                        So clearer? wink


                        In fact, you chat for free. Apparently your product has fallen in price.
                    2. Den1989 16 August 2019 15: 19 New
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                      And your attractiveness for the employer affects your salary. So, comrade is free.
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                      Quote: Den1989
                      And your attractiveness for the employer affects your salary. So, comrade is free.

                      Your attractiveness increases your chances that the employer will choose you, nothing more. The employer assumes that the more qualified and experienced the more profitable for him. This is the amount of profit that determines your salary. Profit determines your salary and nothing more.
                      Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications other than a way to make a profit.
                    4. Den1989 21 August 2019 14: 00 New
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                      Read for yourself what you write: “the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit”, “this amount of profit determines your salary”. Those. my qualifications affect his profits, and she, in turn, affects my salary. Thus, my qualification affects my salary, which I tried to explain to you many messages back. For some reason, you refuse to understand the obvious, and continue the argument for the sake of argument.

                      "Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications as a way to make a profit."
                      Like I do not need an employer, otherwise as a way to get paid. This is a normal business relationship between employer and employee.
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                      Quote: Den1989
                      Read for yourself what you write: “the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit”, “this amount of profit determines your salary”. Those. my qualifications affect his profits, and she, in turn, affects my salary. Thus, my qualification affects my salary, which I tried to explain to you many messages back. For some reason, you refuse to understand the obvious, and continue the argument for the sake of argument.

                      "Your employer does not need your experience and your qualifications as a way to make a profit."
                      Like I do not need an employer, otherwise as a way to get paid. This is a normal business relationship between employer and employee.


                      Suppose you, at your highest level of skill, were unable to make a profit for your employer? What will determine your salary then?

                      Read for yourself what you write: “the more qualified and experienced you are, the more you will bring him profit”
                      You missed the word suggests.By taking you to work, the employer assumes only the profit that you will bring to him, and charges you a salary based on the amount of actually received profit.
                    6. Den1989 7 September 2019 15: 16 New
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                      Suppose you, at your highest level of skill, were unable to make a profit for your employer? What will determine your salary then?
                      The situation in which a skilled worker brings as much income to an employer as a non-qualified one is abnormal in my opinion, and I see no reason to consider it.
                      When you take you to work, the employer assumes only the profit that you will bring to him, and charges you a salary based on the amount of actually received profit.
                      If you work informally or such conditions are specified in your contract, then yes. But if the employer has concluded an employment contract with you indicating the salary (as is usually the case with skilled workers) - then no. It all depends on different conditions and factors. Our argument has dragged on for a bit. We began with the fact that you doubted my opinion that the salary depends on the qualifications of the employee. In my opinion, this is obvious and you haven’t brought a single significant counterargument. I remained with my opinion, you, obviously, with yours. I am not interested in an argument for the sake of argument, so perhaps I will stop this dialogue. Although in my opinion you simply do not want to admit the obvious and stubbornly try to give exceptional examples. Any rule has exceptions, which does not cancel the rule itself.
        3. Den1989 16 August 2019 15: 17 New
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          Yes, I’m an employee. And in the case of the situation described by you, I can quit and find a job with decent pay in my opinion for my work (if the decline in employer profits has dragged on). Nobody holds anyone anywhere. If you get a small salary, while having high qualifications and experience, then you need to change something. If you cannot do this, then it is up to you. Statements like "no work" are excuses. Take your family and move to where you are. I live in Crimea, and so we have it, and it’s not necessary to go to Moscow, and life beyond the Moscow Ring Road does not end.
  • AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 45 New
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    In Moscow for 15-18 tyr? I beg you: in the capital for this amount, the homeless will not be scratched. And judging by the well-fed barracks of the protesters, this money is for them a couple of dinners in a restaurant. The whole world is hungry and slaves, yeah. Which are heavier than a fountain pen, did not hold anything.
    1. Tatyana Pershina 12 August 2019 19: 37 New
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      The fountain pen also needs to be able to hold in hands. Freshmen at Novosibirsk University, who do not run around rallies, but do the future of the country, will receive a scholarship of 20500 rubles. They are interested in "plowing" at the laboratory table, and not making faces in the wagon.
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        And then many will leave for that very west .. great huh?
        1. Tatyana Pershina 13 August 2019 14: 25 New
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          They offer, but the guys not only do not want to go for the cordon, but also to Moscow.
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        Freshmen at Novosibirsk University, who are not running around rallies, but are doing the future of the country, will receive an 20500 rub.

        How long? It looks like zvezdezh and provocation. belay
        1. Tatyana Pershina 13 August 2019 14: 23 New
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          Go to the uni site. Of course, not everyone will receive so much, but only those who EARNED such a right.
          1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 14: 33 New
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            who EARNED such a right.

            I dug ditches ... laid a brick ... repaired tanks and trucks ... Where, my mother, is money, in kind ?!
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    By the way, yes.
  • Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 27 New
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    Does the author of the video have a surname? And somehow I didn’t recognize

    Andrei Malakhov, activist of the left social movement "The Essence of Time". He has a lot of interesting videos on his channel, for example, an excellent overview of our tax system:
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      Andrey Malakhov, activist of the left social movement "The Essence of Time"

      Thank you, although, most likely, tomorrow I will forget about him ...
      1. Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 51 New
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        tomorrow I will forget about him

        It's my pleasure. Activists who collected a million living signatures against pension reform and handed them to the presidential administration, while the rest (Communist Party, LDPR, SR) "chewed snot" - you need to know in person hi
    2. eckons 14 August 2019 11: 24 New
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      Listen to this complete nonsense that he carries. He either does not understand, or that he is much more likely to intentionally lie. Every time he says "we" pay, but not us, but the employer. These are the wrestlers with the regime that the left are the right and are dragging you to sahorov. And on the basis of such videos, you have already started a revolution.
      1. Digital error 14 August 2019 12: 23 New
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        not we pay, but the employer

        At the expense of funds underpaid to the employee. Do you propose transferring this function from the employer to the employee so that taxes across the country are recovered through the courts?
        You confuse the cause with the effect. "Revolution" is provoked by those who refuse to people in a fair distribution of goods (including trade in the "national treasure" - oil and gas). And those whom you call "revolutionaries" are trying to draw the attention of those responsible for the distribution of persons to this in order to prevent another collapse of statehood.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 18 New
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    If they bring to the point that half a million will come out, then the Rosguard will not help. Do not push to the limit .. Do not push to the limit ..

    The Russian Guard is already more than 300 thousand. To disperse the rally in the photo, 2-3 hundred employees are enough.
    They are able to disperse a million and not only to disperse - they have heavy military equipment, they can also roll a thin layer into the bar.
    1. dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 31 New
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      If the rallies are dispersed in a similar way .... then what kind of power can we talk about. Your description is very suitable for what our ancestors fought against.
      1. yehat 12 August 2019 15: 34 New
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        Quote: dirk182
        Your description is very suitable for what our ancestors fought against.

        picket in front of your city hall
        What is the likelihood that negotiators in suits will come up to you, but a couple of strong guys in body armor? So you will see what the ancestors fought for.
        1. dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 40 New
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          We constantly arrange single pickets. And they stand calmly. Strong guys still need to get from the regional center) About "their" guys I have a different opinion. In fact, only the guards from the center are in the entire region. And, if you don’t tell, if the region raises the noise of their strength and resources
          1. Greenwood 13 August 2019 04: 15 New
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            From Moscow will be sent if necessary. In Vladivostok, at one time, so dispersed rallies in support of the right-hand drive. Local riot police refused to participate in it, sent Muscovites.
      2. AU Ivanov. 12 August 2019 16: 27 New
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        The Chinese dispersed. Elegant and efficient. This is our fuss.
        1. Ingvar 72 12 August 2019 23: 10 New
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          The Chinese and Chubais do not hold government posts, but shoot at stadiums. fool
          1. AU Ivanov. 13 August 2019 14: 10 New
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            Yes, if you came from a foreign clan, then - a bullet in the back of the head. What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull. China is a clan society.
        2. 72jora72 13 August 2019 00: 36 New
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          The Chinese dispersed. Elegant and efficient. This is our fuss.
          The Chinese are already 9 weeks can not reassure Hong Kong .....
          1. Greenwood 13 August 2019 04: 16 New
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            In Hong Kong, the authorities themselves are to blame. There was no need to escalate. Hong Kong is in a special position, and now they are trying to equalize it with the rest of the Chinese provinces.
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              There was no need to escalate. Hong Kong is in a special position, and now they are trying to equalize it with the rest of the Chinese provinces.
              And what is wrong?? belay All are equal, committed a crime, be so kind as to answer. What is such a "special situation" in which you can hide from justice ??
      3. Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 04 New
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        Quote: dirk182
        If the rallies are dispersed in a similar way .... then what kind of power can we talk about

        The Chinese at one time did not stint on this topic. And rightly, as it turned out, they did.

        Yanukovych mumbled, and as it turned out, did wrong.

        Need more examples?
      4. Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 37 New
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        You etA, REVALUTIONEry .... when you go "take power into your own hands", capture the White House, it is very convenient to shoot at it from tanks and other equipment. laughing
    2. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 36 New
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      they can also be rolled into a bruschatka with a thin layer.

      Of course they can, but if they roll half a million into the bars, it can smell like a civil war. Isn’t it better for leaders of the sovereigns to listen to the population and restrain their appetites? Why escalate, I personally do not understand.
      1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 15: 54 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        if half a million is rolled into the bar

        Have you already delivered cookies, half a million?

        Quote: Svarog
        Isn't it better for leaders of the sovereigns to listen to the population

        This is to those that require Crimea to return? And Smolensk at the same time? belay

        Svarog, the skin was changed, no way? wink
        1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 58 New
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          Svarog, the skin was changed, no way?

          He returned to the former ..
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          This is to those that require Crimea to return? And Smolensk at the same time?

          No, I’m talking about others .. You know, I am a supporter of collecting Russian lands .. And a great adversary, when they give them and forgive everyone their debts .. as well as I am for legality, social justice and order.
          1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 16: 18 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            He returned to the former ..

            Does not press, does not rub? Hunter, pancake, underwater laughing

            Quote: Svarog
            I am a supporter of the collection of Russian lands ..

            And have you gathered a lot already?

            Quote: Svarog
            And a great adversary, when they are given back and forgiven by all debts ..

            And in general - you are for all the good, and against all the bad.

            This I know ... Underwater ... pah, Svarog laughing
      2. Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 20: 27 New
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        It would be nice to clarify - the reaction of the authorities to undermining (the function of the bulk managers in this) and the relationship of the antagonism of power and people. The conversation will be different.
      3. vik669 12 August 2019 21: 36 New
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        half a million to the bar is problematic - for wrestlers the instinct for self-preservation works but not the Ukrainian version - it can smell like a civil war, and when it comes to Chinese shit it stops and stops, but it’s better not to bring it and do not look for adventures to their own. It will not seem to both fighters and those for whom they "fight"!
    3. NordOst16 12 August 2019 16: 01 New
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      They can, but then, God forbid, the population will take up arms (of which there are not so many people in our hands as in the United States, of course, but also decent), then the authorities will be rolling into the bar. And since our rebellion is often senseless and merciless, everything will burn. God forbid this to happen again, apparently on the basis of this, the authorities are afraid to cross the line, and it’s not so bad in the Russian Federation yet.
      But why get to that?
    4. Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 20 New
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      Quote: yehat
      They are able to disperse a million and not only to disperse - they have heavy military equipment, they can also roll a thin layer into the bar.

      It’s as if there is no world practice to use the army to restore order .. if the National Guard and the police can’t cope .. I don’t understand what kind of world dreamers live dreaming of half a million citizens coming out against the authorities ... they clearly do not imagine the consequences. Apparently this is due to the fact that at school the teachers did not form a “causal relationship” in their heads.
      1. Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 16: 54 New
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        Quote: Sunstorm
        Apparently this is due to the fact that teachers at school didn’t form a causal relationship in their heads".

        They did not form a causal relationship, and they did not instill in you a love of the Russian language in terms of verbs of a perfect and imperfect form ... lol
        1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 01 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Sunstorm
          Apparently this is due to the fact that teachers at school didn’t form a causal relationship in their heads".

          Man, what did you say wrong? All right laughing
          1. Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 38 New
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            Man, what did you say wrong? All right

            Competently? This is to a colleague "ROSS 42"
            And here, according to my assumption, people are sure that if you gather a larger crowd and scream louder .. tomorrow there will be HAPPINESS. Somehow they miss the moment that follows between the gathering of the crowd and the onset of the period of HAPPINESS.
            Maybe they don’t miss it, but somehow imagine it vaguely, incorrectly? .. "in the form of butterflies that poop like a rainbow."
        2. Sunstorm 13 August 2019 13: 33 New
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          They did not form a causal relationship, and they did not instill in you a love of the Russian language in terms of verbs of a perfect and imperfect form ...

          so there is something to hide, languages ​​are my most unloved subject) as of now, I remember the tears of my rusyasitsa)
      2. Revival 12 August 2019 18: 39 New
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        I think it’s not a fact that the army will do just that, and if there is a misfire here, then there will already be nothing to do.
        Read about the development of the February revolution, let’s say so every minute, about which event became one of the turning points unexpectedly
    5. dirk182 12 August 2019 16: 49 New
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      And also machine guns, sniper rifles, etc. etc. But nothing like a peaceful rally? Not? Are you such a coward in life? I do not apply to the Russian Guard, but in general.
    6. karabass 12 August 2019 17: 47 New
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      And if our powers that be bring to this, then why do they need Russia?
    7. Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 32 New
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      Quote: yehat
      can roll into a bruschatka a thin layer

      First - no one could sit on bayonets for a long time (many tried) - this is extremely inconvenient.
      The second - during the time of the French Revolution, they used to say (I can’t vouch for the accuracy of quoting): "nothing makes the government take care of the people like the view of the guillotine outside the window."
      1. Oleg Monarchist 13 August 2019 11: 40 New
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        DigitalError (Eugene)

        The second - during the time of the French Revolution, they used to say (I can’t vouch for the accuracy of quoting): "nothing makes the government take care of the people like the view of the guillotine outside the window."


        Only then did all the revolutionaries find themselves on this very guillotine bully
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 20 New
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    but one single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do

    there’s simply not yet a guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."
    1. igorbrsv 12 August 2019 15: 37 New
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      Good idea, but scary to try wassat
      1. vik669 12 August 2019 21: 39 New
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        Yesterday was early, tomorrow it will be late, and today there is no time!
    2. Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 16: 04 New
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      Quote: yehat
      there’s simply not yet a guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."

      The guy with the cap in this situation is not so relevant. A guy with a mustache and a pipe with a friend in penny will be more useful ... yes
      1. Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 15 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        The guy with the cap in this situation is not so relevant. A guy with a mustache and a pipe with a friend in penny will be more useful ...

        good That's right!
        1. yehat 12 August 2019 16: 17 New
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          a guy with a pipe and a mustache should stand behind the guy with a cap.
          without agitation, nowhere, but better Trotsky, Lenin (and by the way, Kerensky), in 17, no one could do better.
    3. free 12 August 2019 19: 49 New
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      Quote: yehat
      Quote: Less
      but one single thought passes through the entire video: this is a protest just for the sake of protest ... There is nothing for people to do

      there’s simply not yet a guy with a cap who will climb onto an armored personnel carrier and "say there is such a party."


      I think such a party already exists!
      1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 19: 52 New
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        Quote: free
        I think such a party already exists!

        Are you her member, or what?
        1. free 12 August 2019 23: 27 New
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          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: free
          I think such a party already exists!

          Are you her member, or what?


          Something is happening to you all the same lately, getting older is not otherwise.
          Especially for you.
          I think such a party already exists!

          No matter what I think, you are still able to catch the difference between a statement and an assumption.
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            Quote: free
            Especially for you. I think ...

            Um ... that is, apparently, still not a member what

            Quote: free
            Quote: yehat
            there’s simply not yet a guy with a cap who will climb onto an APC and "say there is such a party".

            I think such a party has already!

            Highlighted keywords. Or you yourself do not understand what you are writing.

            Quote: free
            No matter what I think

            Go ahead. "Not looking" laughing
            1. free 13 August 2019 18: 24 New
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              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: free
              Especially for you. I think ...

              Um ... that is, apparently, still not a member what

              Quote: free
              Quote: yehat
              there’s simply not yet a guy with a cap who will climb onto an APC and "say there is such a party".

              I think such a party has already!

              Highlighted keywords. Or you yourself do not understand what you are writing.

              Quote: free
              No matter what I think

              Go ahead. "Not looking" laughing


              Congratulations on what you can still. laughing
            2. Harry.km 14 August 2019 01: 09 New
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              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Not looking "

              Again, you, dear, are you annoying people by presenting your modest knowledge in Russian as an absolute? ))) How to write without looking or despite ... Oh, the cut, apparently for you the meaning is changing so much that you already allowed to tumble down, no matter what)))))) When there are no other arguments, we turn to spelling? )
      2. yehat 13 August 2019 10: 30 New
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        I do not see such a party
        of those who held a patriotic position and did not pass in the elections,
        I can say that we are only a little along the way, but no more - very specific programs and managers.
        And I don’t see parties where everything is clear and straightforward, where there is a program not for elections, but for the development of the country.
        In its purest form, Marxism has already become outdated, and mistakes have been uncovered, and no one voiced the improved interpretation for which Stalin drowned.
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          Marxism is out of date in its purest form.
          If not difficult, write your answer to me in PM.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 30 New
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    Confidence will appear, and with it an occasion to gather the next meeting, then more and more

    Well, you change 5 Sobinins in a row confidently and proudly, and what?
    What will change? Make it worse.
    Without specific political and economic goals there will be no use, even if every month shift. Because you are standing in front of the system, changing the screw in the mechanism does not change what the mechanism does.
    In addition to nihilist slogans, did this crowd have at least one specific one?
    For example, a minimum wage requirement per hour?
    1. dirk182 12 August 2019 15: 53 New
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      Are you the mouthpiece of power? Somehow modestly then warn? I'll tell you what the rallies give. They give what power is most afraid of - CONSOLIDATION OF SOCIETY. And you do not need to be afraid of Rosguard. If you look closely, the actions of the authorities are aimed at disuniting people. This and skillful play against the security forces and civilians, the constant winding up of events in Ukraine, France (what do we care about these countries ???) And the gap is enormous between the rich and poor.
      1. Nikolaevich I 12 August 2019 17: 14 New
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        The reasons for popular discontent with the ruling regime are understandable, because they are the same as mine ... But a lot of “balamutes” have come! And it is not clear yet who is more! I would support the "opposition represented by the rally" if "Navalny and his company" hadn’t "steered" there! It’s scary to think about the possibility of Navalny and his codes coming to power! Then they will destroy Russia!
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        2. Gardamir 12 August 2019 18: 45 New
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          if there hadn’t been "taxied" "Navalny and his company"!
          So sets also, Sobchak and kompashka. The Kremlin blows off a speck of dust so that the real opposition does not appear.
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            Quote: Gardamir
            The Kremlin blows off a speck of dust so that the real opposition does not appear.

            I already expressed a similar opinion once on the VO page. More recently, the popularity of Navalny was determined in percentages with a digit less than 10 ... But how long will it be? And if the "opposition movement" does not roll according to the "scenario of the Kremlin"? As they say, "the revolution is made by the people, but scammers and adventurers, as a rule, enjoy their fruits. Such is the history of mankind ...
            Therefore, when overthrowing someone, first make sure that more evil will not come in his place! "
      2. Paranoid50 12 August 2019 22: 25 New
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        Quote: dirk182
        SOCIETY CONSOLIDATIONS

        Quote: dirk182
        NOT NECESSARY

        And at times I broke into a cry ... laughing Now according to Borshchev:
        Quote: dirk182
        And you do not need to be afraid of Rosguard.

        Of course, it is not necessary if you can’t arrange outrage and not engage in incitement. yes And, in fact, that is characteristic, all the "invaders" and the "fearless" in most cases when such parties occur, either do not shine at all, or quickly merge undercover, hiding behind women and even children. From such wrestlers! good wassat
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          Well done! Your woof is counted !!!
          1. Paranoid50 13 August 2019 01: 20 New
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            Some now cattle freshman went ... request Okay, vacation is ending soon. laughing
            1. dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 42 New
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              One Seryozha has already ended. Now the whole country knows him for hitting a girl in the liver. Probably at that moment he felt like a masked hero. But it turned out differently and the mask did not save. One conclusion: "even in the mask you must remain human." What does he feel now ??? When under the video there are hundreds of angry comments. And he hardly wanted such a future for himself.
    2. Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 22 New
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      What will change? Make it worse.

      this is the whole plan - to make it worse - to cause more discontent - to bring out more people - to arrange a coup ... the obvious scheme
      1. Revival 12 August 2019 19: 04 New
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        That's exactly the "coup" is definitely not needed.
    3. Dym71 12 August 2019 16: 57 New
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      Well, you change 5 Sobinins in a row confidently and proudly, and what?

      You misinterpreted my comment.
      Nobody is going to oust five, the opposition wants to be a dame with minimal labor, like the "Rose Revolution", so that you can eat the fish and go boating.
      Quote: yehat
      Without concrete political and economic goals there will be no use

      Not only the goals, I would like to look at the result, albeit small in the country, but positive, but so far only one can hear it.
  • Pacifist 12 August 2019 15: 37 New
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    Last Saturday, about 50 thousand participants gathered on Sakharov Avenue

    Lies, 0.1% of the city’s population gathered at the rally, of which about half came just for the sake of traffic and hype. The rest are convinced and out of a desire to spoil the country, including arrived maydaunov and mentally retarded revolutionaries. Do not like this opinion? It's a pity. Personally, I do not care about all this wretched hangout. Since, if people know how to work correctly with information and numbers, and also know the story, they scream sadly at the slogans that they raise and sprinkle with saliva.
  • frols 12 August 2019 15: 40 New
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    So explain if everything is so bad, why are there so few protesters, and if these protesters are evil for Russia, then why are the majority silent. They are sitting on TV with popcorn and waiting for a repetition of the nineties?
    1. Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 21: 35 New
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      why the majority is silent

      The threshold for the inclusion of national unity (or the norm of reaction) is very high, there is a plus in this - protection from stupidity. Apparently, this threshold has not been exceeded yet, although the position of the population (others will speak for themselves about their own, Russian) and its prospects are already disastrous. A collective creative act is needed, relevant. The act is not only one-time, but also the activation of a new type of behavior, not only individually active, but also socially costly.
      Something worthwhile will be done collectively, communally, artificially. We can only move the body, crystal, coherence. The temptation - "break through" alone - should be bored, as well as the temptation to catch a fish in troubled waters. These temptations were prompted, in particular, by humanism - putting a person in the center, abandoning theocentrism, that is, recognizing priority higher laws - biosocial, environmental. The living is characterized by the primacy of the whole over the parts, and not vice versa. Humanism, protruding ego - as an ideology - destroys states, traditions, family through emancipation, thereby preparing some social organisms-traditions for their assimilation (assimilation) by other organisms. Do not put our understanding of humanity in someone else's clothes. And be extremely careful with all sorts of newcomers.
      The threshold is not exceeded, but, of course, the people’s internal work is going on, apparently, some necessary components are being assembled. Breaking - not building - does not fit, they understand this. When together they whisper to say - “It will be so” - and so it will be.
      1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 21: 43 New
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        Quote: Alexander Ra
        The threshold for the inclusion of national unity (or the norm of reaction) is very high, there is a plus in this - protection from stupidity. Apparently, this threshold has not been exceeded yet, although the position of the population (others will speak for themselves about their own, Russian) and its prospects are already disastrous. Collective creative act neededrelevant. The act is not only one-time, but also the activation of a new type of behavior, not only individually active, but also socially costly ...
        Something worthwhile will be done collectively, communally, artificially. We can only move the body, crystal, coherence

        Better say - against whom are you proposing to be friends?

        Only, if possible, in simple words, but I revered it, and Gridasov immediately remembered, may he not remember ... looking at night laughing
        1. Alexander Ra 12 August 2019 21: 57 New
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          FOR - his own shirt closer to the body.
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            Quote: Alexander Ra
            FOR - his own shirt closer to the body

            Well, everyone has different "friends" ... if you are talking about a "shirt." What about then

            Quote: Alexander Ra
            We can only move the body, crystal, coherence

            This is not a crystal, but some kind of amorphous body will turn out ...

            Or do you still not agree on what? wink
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              Yes. I listen to music, I love, you see, baroque.
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                Yes. I listen to music, I love, you see, baroque.

                Broke, the bucket breaks ... but how beautifully it started - you can listen laughing
            2. dirk182 13 August 2019 01: 13 New
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              “Everyone has their own people” So you decide who is “your own”, and then sprinkle with rhetorical questions. No one will do this for you.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 48 New
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    civil war can smell

    and the decline of the indigenous population at half a million a year - is this not a war?
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 50 New
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    Because if people know how to work with information correctly

    Have you forgotten that the next generation is already driving us?
    they can only calculate their maximum value in the market based on magazine articles.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 56 New
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    Quote: dirk182
    They give what power is most afraid of - CONSOLIDATION OF SOCIETY

    these rallies give a false sense of movement and consolidation, but nothing really changes.
    Remember how carefully Zyuganov leaked activity after winning the election against Yeltsin.
    Then, too, there was a "consolidation" of society, but in reality a crowd gathered that did not know what to do.
    1. Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 24 New
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      Remember how carefully Zyuganov leaked activity after winning the election against Yeltsin.

      Zyu frankly leaked the Communist Party ... already then, and now before our eyes Ze will merge Ukraine .... But Russia will be fine. Why? Because the riot police in the photo are smiling. Because the protesters are laughing.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 15: 59 New
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    For this reason, I write that this measure is not working and from the field of fiction

    It is difficult to create a union and not rake it, but they began to appear. Have experience. There are positive results. Right now there is a strike of the crane operators' union.
    Their capitalists wanted to save money, hiring cheap strikebreakers. The result is known -
    the crane demolished the workers with an arrow from a height.
    1. Svarog 12 August 2019 16: 17 New
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      Their capitalists wanted to save money, hiring cheap strikebreakers. The result is known -
      the crane demolished the workers with an arrow from a height.

      You see, they are fired by all and all matters, and they will not join other trade unions.
      1. yehat 12 August 2019 16: 27 New