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France again demanded payments on bonds of tsarist Russia

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France again raised the issue of payments on Russian bonds of the tsarist times. The corresponding request to the French government was sent to the French National Assembly deputy Francis Vercamer, writes RT.


France again demanded payments on bonds of tsarist Russia


Verkamer called on the country's government to clarify what measures it (the government) is taking in order to "finally resolve" the issue of payments to France on bonds of the tsarist times. However, he states that the payments to Russia, which she agreed to make in 1997, "do not correspond to the real amounts of securities."

After more than a hundred years, the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of ruined bondholders continue to demand a return on invested money. Despite an agreement of May 27 on May 1997, under which the Russian government agreed to pay 400 million dollars, bondholders remain injured

- he said.

According to Verkamer, the descendants of investors are going to find out what decisions the government can take in order to "pay accounts payable."

Recall that in the 1867 year Russia began a boom in the construction of railways and some companies issued government bonds secured by gold, which were invested, including by French investors, having bought approximately 15 billion francs of securities for 15 billion francs (53 billion . Euro). Many managed to make a profit, and some were left with nothing after the new government annulled all debts remaining after the previous one in 1918.

However, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia agreed to pay 400 million dollars to France to cover the debts of the tsarist empire, after which the parties concluded an agreement in which they reflected that Russia owes nothing more to France.

At the beginning of the 2018 in Paris, they were assured that France had no complaints against Russia regarding tsar’s loans, but they could not prohibit the country's citizens from making their own demands.
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 20
    +30
    Let them turn to Britain - somewhere around 2,5 billion (current) dollars are still wandering on Nikolashka II’s personal accounts.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 9 August 2019 14: 35
      +7
      Statements of all kinds of deputies are nothing more than a throw-in, in order to check the situation, is it worth it to take the matter seriously.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 40
        +31
        Quote: Sergey39
        Is it worth taking the matter seriously.

        If we take the issue seriously, then the "owner of the Russian land" has heirs - let them shake them.
        After all, debts are also inherited.
        1. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer 9 August 2019 14: 50
          +8
          Golden words, only in the picture not all are represented ...
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 53
            +10
            Quote: Wanderer Polente
            Golden words, only in the picture not all are represented ...

            Yes, I generally always thought that it was some gypsies and was not particularly interested in who was there and what.
        2. private person
          private person 9 August 2019 14: 50
          +7
          And here we will see what they (these mummers) heirs are.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 53
            +6
            Quote: private person
            And here we will see what they (these mummers) heirs are.

            Do you like to ride - love and carry a sleigh. Bggg.
          2. den3080
            den3080 9 August 2019 15: 11
            +12
            Quote: private person
            And here we will see what they (these mummers) heirs are.


            Yes there were many of them all, heirs.
        3. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 15: 37
          +3
          Quote: Gray Brother
          If we consider the issue seriously

          if seriously, then the "Kiriloviches" do not have any legal right to succession to the throne
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 August 2019 15: 50
            +3
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            if seriously, then the "Kiriloviches" do not have any legal right to succession to the throne

            Legally, the entire Russian Empire, together with the population, was owned by the Tsar.
            It's not about succession to the throne, but about inheritance - inheritance is not only the receipt of nishtyaks, but also a debt burden.
            Western countries recognized their right to inheritance at a court in Berlin, in 1934 - there is a precedent, and since there is a right to inheritance, the accompanying encumbrance automatically hangs on them.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 16: 13
              +1
              so the Kirilovichs cannot be considered heirs
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 9 August 2019 16: 18
                +2
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                cannot be considered heirs

                The closest relatives are always considered as heirs, and no one is closer than these, as I understand it.
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 19: 52
                  0
                  just not in this case, here we are talking about succession to the throne or about the head of the Romanov dynasty, the Kirilovichs can by no means claim either the first or the second
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 9 August 2019 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    there is talk of succession to the throne

                    I am not talking about the royal throne and not about the tillage of the Romanov dynasty; I am talking about money.
                    In any case, they claim to have a right to everything. And "for everything" means for debts too.
                    People themselves admit that they owe money, so why should they hinder it?
                    1. Barmaleyka
                      Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 21: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      and not about the godfather of the Romanov dynasty, I'm talking about money.

                      but you refer to Madame Romanova, and she is legally neither who nor to call her as
                      1. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 9 August 2019 21: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        and she is legally neither who nor to call her nor how

                        It remains to make her admit it. But she will stop against the horns.

                        "In 1934, the court of the Central District of Berlin recognized the heirs of the tsar's money. They were the Grand Duchesses Ksenia and Olga, Countess Brasova, and the relatives of the deceased princesses through the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna. As Boris Nolde said, inflation devalued deposits. The court issued official papers for the right of inheritance only four years after the determination of the heirs, in 1938. The amount turned out to be really ridiculous: less than 25 thousand pounds. Divided among all the heirs, these funds represented almost nothing. "
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                      3. Barmaleyka
                        Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 22: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        It remains to make her admit it. But she will stop against the horns.

                        and the flag in her hands, a crown on the head and ...
            2. your1970
              your1970 9 August 2019 16: 20
              +2
              Yes there are no heirs there - that is the problem. Not one of them was recognized as the legal heir, not one of them won a court. And there is something to fight for ...
              Only personal Nikolashin gold of the order of 200 tons is wandering around the world, and there is also real estate and even a couple of stones in the crown of Lizkina. They wiped it at the time, after which they refused to accept it after the revolution, otherwise the stones would have to be returned to the rightful owner
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 9 August 2019 16: 23
                +5
                Quote: your1970
                Wash in due time

                Yes, they are still tyryat - in Baghdad, they stole the golden piano. They say like "saved".
                1. Errr
                  Errr 9 August 2019 19: 44
                  +1
                  Pictured is a grand piano made by "S & P Erard" (serial no. 3985). It is made of mahogany, satin wood and pine with brass and gilded bronze fixtures, gilded and varnished. Purchased by Queen Victoria in 1856. smile
                  Not worth quoting BBC-FAKENEWS. lol
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 9 August 2019 19: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Herrr
                    Do not quote the BBC - FAKENEWS.

                    Okay, I admit - the piano was acquired legally. Honestly earned money by robbing colonies. laughing
                    1. Antares
                      Antares 9 August 2019 21: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      Honestly earned money by robbing colonies.

                      it is difficult to determine that the money spent on the piano was collected in the form of taxes on farmers or "plunder of the colonies". Can Manchester Manufactories In Tax? Or maybe the townspeople "gave" in the form of taxes. Or ports, or the sale of industrial products ...
                      but the main thing in the post above was that it’s a fake promotion on the Internet about the Saddam piano.
                      1. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 9 August 2019 21: 51
                        +4
                        Quote: Antares
                        but the main thing in the post above was that it’s a fake promotion on the Internet about the Saddam piano.

                        This is not me - this is the unworthy BBC. These are free democratic media broadcasting only the truth.
                      2. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 9 August 2019 21: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Antares
                        difficult to determine

                        Whether the German jewelry of the 40s is melted from the torn out tooth crowns of the victims of concentration camps or from gold mined by honest miners.
                      3. Antares
                        Antares 9 August 2019 22: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Whether the German jewelry of the 40s is melted from the torn out tooth crowns of the victims of concentration camps or from gold mined by honest miners

                        absolutely right.
                        In the world there are no clear boundaries in the field of morality and other human norms.
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 9 August 2019 19: 30
                0
                Yes, the Rothschilds rushed to the Romanovs. Now go and bite your elbows.
            3. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 11 August 2019 13: 05
              0
              The landowner could sell, buy, lay the estate, as well as serfs, without any participation of the monarch, and therefore de jure he was the owner of the specified land and souls.
      2. Polente the Wanderer
        Polente the Wanderer 9 August 2019 14: 54
        +2
        Why our deputies and various managers easily forgive other people's debts, but we donate our money, and we are in a hurry to give away the "national property" (in advertising) ...
        1. private person
          private person 9 August 2019 17: 39
          0
          Why our deputies and various managers easily forgive other people's debts, but we donate our money, and we are in a hurry to give away the "national property" (in advertising) on ​​the cheap.

          So they don’t give their money, but they pay the people so that their children and grandchildren live and study there carefree. In this way they prepare a reserve airfield for themselves just in case.
    2. Cartalon
      Cartalon 9 August 2019 14: 37
      -3
      There is no and when there were no personal accounts of nicknames
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 46
        +3
        Quote: Cartalon
        There is no and when there were no personal accounts of nicknames

        Along with public money in Russia, emperors had deposits in English, German, French and American banks, information about which was strictly confidential. Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich mentions 20 million pounds (200 million rubles) in British banks. It is known for certain that in 1882 in the Bank of England on the accounts of Alexander III in English interest-bearing securities lay 1.758.000 p. Art. (1.600.000 at 4,5% consols + 78.000 English 3% consols + 80.000 Sfalian 5% Rentes), or 18-20 million rubles that did not go through any of the official financial reports of the Ministry of the Imperial Court, that is, they were secret capital of Russian emperors.

        To ensure the foreign welfare of children from November 1905 to July 1906, 462.936 f were placed on ten secret anonymous accounts in the German Imperial Bank. Art. and 9.487.100 German marks (about 8,76 million rubles). In the years 1906-1913, the Romanovs open their own anonymous secret accounts for huge amounts in banks in Germany, England, France. In France, before World War II, according to the research of W. Clark, there were 648 million francs of royal assets (approximately 220 million rubles).

        It has now been established that between 1905 and 1917, Nicholas II exported gold bullion and coin to the United States, Great Britain and other countries in the amount of several tens of millions of rubles.

        Thus, at the beginning of the twentieth century abroad, the royal family had from 100 to 300 million rubles in securities, foreign currency and gold, the annual interest of which ranged from 4 to 12 million rubles.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 10 August 2019 06: 45
          0
          Only by the time of the revolution there was already nothing
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 9 August 2019 14: 39
      +22
      In response, France can file a financial lawsuit for the intervention that the frogmen committed to us in 1919. what
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 9 August 2019 14: 52
        -2
        Yes, and in World War II, we greatly helped the paddling pool, pulling the Wehrmacht troops and suffering serious losses.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 9 August 2019 18: 39
          +4
          Quote: Elephant
          Yes, and in World War II, we greatly helped the paddling pool, pulling the Wehrmacht troops and suffering serious losses.

          You probably meant the First World War, when the armies of Samsonov and Rennenkampf pulled back 2 army corps and a cavalry division of the German troops. Saving the "ally" Samsonov's army was defeated, and he shot himself. Only the French have forgotten about it.
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 9 August 2019 14: 54
        +16
        to sue France for financial intervention intervention
        only if? In fact, France fought against the USSR on the side of Nazi Germany. The materials are here: https://topwar.ru/5524-neznakomaya-franciya-francuzy-protiv-sssr.html More than 23 thousand people were taken prisoner frogs alone. Add to this that the entire industry of France worked for the Wehrmacht, and therefore against the USSR. Russia has much more reason to make a complaint. And why not really make a counter proposal? Just to look at the reaction and the faces.
      3. den3080
        den3080 9 August 2019 15: 17
        +10
        Quote: Proxima
        In response, France can file a financial lawsuit for the intervention that the frogmen committed to us in 1919. what

        You can also add reparations for the Napoleonic invasion. They burned Moskow, Smolensk destroyed and all that. Did not pay? Please pay off.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 August 2019 17: 03
        +8
        Quote: Proxima
        In response, France can file a financial lawsuit for the intervention that the frogmen committed to us in 1919. what

        So the Bolsheviks did just about a hundred years ago: when they demanded from Soviet Russia to pay off royal debts, in response to 1922 a counter-request was put forward - to pay for the damage from the Intervention and Belys support in the Civil War.
    4. Dietmar
      Dietmar 9 August 2019 16: 18
      +3
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Let them turn to Britain - somewhere around 2,5 billion (current) dollars are still wandering on Nikolashka II’s personal accounts.


      Britain is busy, there the Sumerians used to take the Hetman’s cash register on deposit. Polubotka, now they’ve got trillions there, they’ll soon heal ...
    5. Well done
      Well done 9 August 2019 17: 10
      +1
      And they paid us reparations for 1812? I (probably) many ancestors died in Borodino. I want money too! Let the French pay me for my relatives. lol
  2. Teacher67
    Teacher67 9 August 2019 14: 21
    +7
    So, nobody forgives us anything, but we forgive debts to the whole world. That is what the ability to conduct economic policy means, and not to strip your people to the skin.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 25
      +1
      They stepped on a sore spot. what
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: Teacher67
      That is what the ability to conduct economic policy means, and not to strip your people to the skin.

      "- Hey, man, give me a hundred rubles." - now it is called "the ability to conduct economic policy."
      I am in shock. laughing
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 33
        +3
        "- Hey, man, give me a hundred rubles." - now it is called "the ability to conduct economic policy."
        I am in shock.

        Primitive ... learn from Trump to breed Europe weakly.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 36
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Primitive...

          Of course primitive. But I didn’t call him “ability to conduct economic policy”. lol
          1. Teacher67
            Teacher67 9 August 2019 14: 46
            -2
            And what do you think is the "primitive" in the demand for debt repayment? Do you also forgive everyone's debts?
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 9 August 2019 15: 00
              +1
              Quote: Teacher67
              And what do you think is the "primitive" in demanding debt repayment?

              These are not our debts, but the autocrat. Why should we repay other people's debts?
              They are not even able to determine to whom the money was given, but you write to me about "effective politics".
    3. your1970
      your1970 9 August 2019 16: 23
      0
      Quote: Teacher67
      So, nobody forgives us anything, but we forgive debts to the whole world. That is what the ability to conduct economic policy means, and not to strip your people to the skin.
      here the USA with Germany just now ALSO debts were forgiven .......... also do not know how to conduct economic policy?
  3. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 14: 22
    -1
    Shoigu will have to quickly take on the role of a "lawyer", and with the support of a team of lawyers from Pskov, Kostroma, Tula, get on the representative cars of Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya, with the support of the VKS, get to the city of Paris to explain who, how much, to whom and what. ... laughing
    PS It is advisable to lay the route through Warsaw.
    1. private person
      private person 9 August 2019 14: 29
      0
      Shoigu will have to quickly take on the role of a "lawyer", and with the support of a team of lawyers from Pskov, Kostroma, Tula, get on the representative cars of Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya, with the support of the VKS, get to the city of Paris to explain who, how much, to whom and what. ... laughing


      Wow how belligerent you are !! But the consequences are not scary? Maybe it's better to send to hell, well, for example, by the way in the year 1867? There, the article also says that paid in 1997.
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 14: 34
        -3
        Wow how belligerent you are !!

        Yes, it’s just sick and tired, when, with or without a "civilized" gay European community, peck at Russia
        But the consequences are not scary?

        Yes and no at the same time. On the one hand, "NATO partners" can fit in for France, on the other - well, we do not have a common border, on the third hand - it's time to at least once properly "cut" between the eyebrows, what would they think next time.
        Maybe it's better to send to hell, well, for example, by the way in the year 1867?

        You can send. Only their next step: a court in PACE, or somewhere else that confirms it, and you know it no worse than me, their right to demand debts, and Russia will be obliged to repay them.
        There, the article also says that paid in 1997.

        France, as a state, does not have it, but private investors very much have it.
        1. private person
          private person 9 August 2019 14: 40
          +2
          Well, if you write to take into account the court in PACE, or wherever it is, then Ukrainians would have been rich for a long time. There is a Russian court that we have more important than different ones there ...... and these courts can last as long as that.
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 14: 50
            -2
            There is a Russian court which we have more important than different ones there

            Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 7.
            I will quote point 2.
            2. International treaties of the Russian Federation apply to the relations referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 of Article 2 of this Code, directly, unless the international treaty implies that its application requires the publication of an interstate act.
            If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided for by civil law, the rules of the international treaty apply.

            And a little bit more
            According to Part 4 of Art. 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are "an integral part of the legal system" of the country. International law acts as a criterion for the legal enforcement of human and civil rights and freedoms of the Russian Federation

            And only in 2015 it was accepted
            On December 4, 2015, the State Duma of the Russian Federation the State Duma adopted in a second and third final reading a bill allowing the Constitutional Court (COP) of the Russian Federation to recognize the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), as unenforceable, if they contradict Russian Constitution.

            Only now they did not explain how this will be applied in practice.
            Those. in fact, we can "send" them, but we must "recognize" their legitimacy. I understand the situation.
            1. private person
              private person 9 August 2019 14: 53
              0
              Only now they did not explain how this will be applied in practice.

              Do you think you should have? It is also clearly written there: the Constitutional Court (CC) of the Russian Federation shall recognize the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), as unenforceable, if they contradict the Russian Constitution.
              1. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 14: 55
                -2
                Recognize unfeasible ... This is exactly what to send - like we will not perform.
                But look at the article 7 paragraph 2. The priority of international law over Russian.
                Logical dead end?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 9 August 2019 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  Recognize unfeasible ... This is exactly what to send - like we will not perform.
                  But look at the article 7 paragraph 2. The priority of international law over Russian.
                  Logical dead end?
                  I hope the Constitution of the USSR 1977 amers will not be attributed?
                  "Article 29. The relations of the USSR with other states are based on observance of the principles of sovereign equality ............. conscientious fulfillment of obligations arising from generally recognized principles and international lawfrom prisoners of the USSR international treaties."

                  they just all unanimously forget that there is such a thing as ratification;
                  "Ratification of international treaties is one of the ways Russia expresses consent to be bound by an international treaty and is required in 5 cases listed in Article 15 of the Law" On International Treaties. "In particular, ratification is required if it is provided for by the international treaty itself, and also if an international treaty establishes rules other than the laws of the Russian Federation. "
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 August 2019 14: 56
              +3
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              If an international treaty of the Russian Federation is established rules other than those provided for by civil law, the rules of the international treaty apply ...

              ... what if not installed - the "rules" of the legislation of the Russian Federation are applied.

              Question: What agreement establishes separate rules for private lenders from France? Answer: none. Continue, or enough? wink
              1. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 15: 04
                -3
                and if not established, the "rules" of the legislation of the Russian Federation are applied.

                Forgot to write - "on the territory of the Russian Federation". I believe that in France it is the same.
                Therefore, French investors (not a very good word) will first receive a "decision" from a French court (and even a city one), and then they will go higher with this decision.
                The Russian Federation, of course, can "score" all this, but there will be a "precedent", and you know perfectly well that in the Russian Federation everything depends on the "main rake in the gallery." Those. if "Medvedev" comes, then they will pay ... on the basis of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 9 August 2019 15: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  Forgot to write - "on the territory of the Russian Federation"

                  Buddy, pay or not pay, the RF decides. In its, naturally, territory.

                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  there will remain a "precedent"

                  Don't use words you don't understand the meaning of. A precedent could be the fact that the Russian Federation paid these very "private creditors". No payout - no precedent.

                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  and you know very well that in the Russian Federation everything depends on the "main raking in the gallery"

                  Cheap. Especially "you know very well."

                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  will pay ... based on the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...

                  There is no "foundation" there. Fear already yes
                  1. Honest Citizen
                    Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 15: 27
                    -2
                    Buddy, pay or not pay, the RF decides. In its, naturally, territory.

                    If I still agree with this part, then categorically not with the others.
                    Just imagine for a moment that these are "investors" of the Russian Federation demanding debts from someone ... well, let it be from France. It doesn't matter what for - let it be a mathematical problem. So what do you think the result will be?
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 9 August 2019 15: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      If I still agree with this part, then categorically no with the rest

                      Yes, to be honest, I will request

                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      Imagine that these are "investors" of the Russian Federation demanding debts from someone ... well, let it be from France. It doesn't matter what for - let it be a math problem

                      Wrong task. Incongruent source.

                      Sha, you are not interested in me further. stop
                      1. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 9 August 2019 15: 45
                        -2
                        Yes, to be honest, I will

                        like
                        Wrong task. Incongruent source.

                        try to think with your head, and not just eat it
                        Sha, you are not interested in me further.

                        Similarly. Has long been.
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 35
      +1
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Shoigu will have to quickly take on the role of a "lawyer"

      Nothing to it. The Russian Empire, at that time, was an autocratic monarchy and in fact the whole, completely and completely, belonged to one person.
      Therefore, it was an object, not a subject, and there is no demand from the object.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 22
    +9
    I demand compensation from France for Napoleon’s campaign in Russia ... I demand compensation from Russia for Russian shareholders for the intervention of the Entente in 1918 ... if we take into account the interest and interest that every Frenchman including Macron owes us a tidy sum in gold rubles ... oh what a scope for a lawsuit against France.
    1. reservist
      reservist 9 August 2019 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ... compensation for damage to Russia for the intervention of the Entente in 1918 ...

      here it’s not at all a fact what to get burned out, there are probably more people who want to ...
    2. vvvjak
      vvvjak 9 August 2019 14: 40
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I demand compensation from France for Napoleon’s campaign in Russia ..

      And also calculate how many times Russia saved Paris and payments for the use of the Russian brand "Bistro".
    3. toha124
      toha124 9 August 2019 14: 43
      +4
      So the French Republic has no more complaints - there is a piece of paper about that. This privateers howled raised. Or rather, the deputy found a topic for PR of his concern for voters.
  5. Council of People's Commissars83
    Council of People's Commissars83 9 August 2019 14: 23
    -2
    The only option for the future of Russia that NATO led by the United States will provide is to pay and repent, repent and pay for the entire history of Russia-USSR.
  6. axiles100682
    axiles100682 9 August 2019 14: 25
    -8
    Well, since the Russian Federation considers itself the legal successor of the USSR and RI, it is necessary to pay, obligations must be respected anyway. Although on the other hand, how many obligations did they observe in relation to RI, the USSR and the Russian Federation?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 31
      +4
      Well, if the Russian Federation considers itself the assignee of the USSR and RI, then you have to pay, obligations must be respected.


      Why on earth ... 400 million royal debts paid to France a long time ago and the French officially formalized a legal refusal of further claims against Russia.
      Some French citizens are unhappy with this and decided to independently fight for freebies from Russia.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 9 August 2019 14: 38
        +5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Some French citizens are unhappy with this and decided to independently fight for freebies from Russia.

        So let these citizens, just as independently roll up their bonds in a tube, and hammer them for themselves ... feel
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 45
          +1
          So let these citizens, just as independently roll up their bonds in a tube, and hammer them for themselves ...

          The idea is good ... taking into account the fantasies of their local LGBT perverts, it is quite possible to realize it.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 9 August 2019 14: 39
        +1
        Looks like they’ve already been wasted, but she puts a freebie on herself. laughing
      3. Polente the Wanderer
        Polente the Wanderer 9 August 2019 14: 46
        0
        Lawyers ... we have "first-class" ... Forgot, or did not want for some reason, to ascribe in the agreement with France that we have no debt, and future claims of private individuals are borne by France itself ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 9 August 2019 16: 34
          +2
          Quote: Wanderer Polente
          Lawyers ... we have "first-class" ... Forgot, or did not want for some reason, to ascribe in the agreement with France that we have no debt, and the future claims of private individuals France takes over...
          -You don’t believe it -There is just that -THE !!! Moreover, it was written at the suggestion of ... France !!!
          They really wanted gas then ....
      4. axiles100682
        axiles100682 9 August 2019 15: 08
        +1
        These citizens will have a lot of problems and costs for the courts, lawyers, lawyers. And it would not hurt to prepare for the process very carefully. What would the first plaintiffs still be left to do with the Russian Federation? Dig them under the flesh before the participation of their ancestors in OV 1812 years. Then the rest of the desire will immediately disappear to file claims.
    2. Loess
      Loess 9 August 2019 14: 34
      +2
      Quote: axiles100682
      you have to pay

      after which the parties concluded an agreement in which they reflected that Russia owes nothing more to France.
      Something like this ...
      Otherwise:
      At the beginning of the 2018 in Paris, they were assured that France had no complaints against Russia regarding tsar’s loans, but they could not prohibit the country's citizens from making their own demands.

      and some companies issued government bonds secured by gold
      let them demand debts from these "some" companies ...
      Quote: axiles100682
      Although, on the other hand, how many obligations did they observe in relation to the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation?

      But this is a very fair question !!! But in Europe they prefer not to bother with such issues ...
    3. ltc35
      ltc35 9 August 2019 14: 35
      +5
      If we (the Russian Federation) pay all the debts, and gold was taken out to the Civil by everyone who is not lazy, then the balance will be so positive that Russia will become the richest country in the world. A lot of money from the time of RI still lies in foreign banks. Although ... Does it lie?
    4. KCA
      KCA 9 August 2019 14: 38
      +1
      The USSR just did not recognize the debts of the Republic of Ingushetia, for which the first sanctions were introduced, and since the Russian Federation is the successor of the USSR, the conclusion is unequivocal
    5. Gray brother
      Gray brother 9 August 2019 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: axiles100682
      Well, if the Russian Federation considers itself the assignee of the USSR and RI

      The last owner of the Republic of Ingushetia was Kolya II - all questions to him.
    6. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: axiles100682
      Well, if the Russian Federation considers itself the assignee of the USSR and RI, then you have to pay

      only after the return of ALL royal gold
      1. axiles100682
        axiles100682 9 August 2019 15: 44
        0
        So I'm just for it. drinks
    7. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 10 August 2019 08: 18
      0
      Well, yes. The assignee of the Republic of Ingushetia was the Russian Republic, and the RSFSR and not the USSR. The Bolsheviks did not close the empire, but the Cadets with the Social Revolutionaries. Which (Here are the vicissitudes of fate) ended up in Paris. The gold reserve of Russia was taken away by Kolchak and carefully scammed, although there is an opinion that he did leave with the white-covers, which at that time was part of the French army. And these arrogant faces still want money?
  7. Rwmos
    Rwmos 9 August 2019 14: 31
    +3
    The Russian Federation is the successor of the USSR, and not RI. If the Russian Federation is the assignee of the Republic of Ingushetia. then we will pay ... But first, please be kind enough to provide us with everything due according to the results of the WWII, for example, the Bosphorus Strait! laughing
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 9 August 2019 14: 32
    +3

    Member of the French National Assembly Francis Vercamer
    “Monsieur, it’s not mange pa sis jour. Goeben world si bitte etvas kopek auf dem stuck ford.

    The geyropeytsy first need to agree among themselves who should Russia first: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, France, Ukraine. And as soon as they agree (if only they agree), then right away
    From a dead donkey ears they get
  9. Mooh
    Mooh 9 August 2019 14: 33
    +3
    And let us ask France for the damage from Napoleon’s actions? Let them rebuild us another Moscow, somewhere beyond the Urals.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 36
      0
      We’ll hook the Poles with a steam locomotive ... heading for Magadan and Kolyma ... the French and Poles forgot history lessons.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 9 August 2019 14: 38
      +1
      On any petition they put their .... long nose, and even grumpy delicious!
      They tried to demand from Comrade Stalin, and just so immediately and specifically b .... answered.
  10. yehat
    yehat 9 August 2019 14: 34
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA

    for Napoleon’s campaign in Russia
    for the intervention of the Entente 1918

    firstly, the Republic of Ingushetia paid all the debts of France by participating in WWI and actually saving France and providing it with huge reparations after the surrender of Germany
    the second time all debts were to be reset after the USSR participated in ww2 and its actual role in the liberation of Europe
    but our accounts in France can continue
    for the Crimean war
    for the French divisions in the Wehrmacht near Moscow
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 August 2019 14: 40
      +2
      All of the above is true ... the French have never made up for the damage inflicted on our country by their robbers ... it is time to stop this orgy of the absurd demands of European countries on our country.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 9 August 2019 14: 40
      0
      Quote: yehat
      but our accounts in France can and

      but it’s not possible, because there is SOMEONE to answer with pleasure and specifically ....
      although it is no longer so obvious, but want, want "our" many to go there, elbows with their brothers, in spirit and greed, to rub!
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 9 August 2019 15: 45
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        it’s not possible, because there is SOMEONE to answer with pleasure and specifically
        Need to charge Sarah!
        Abram does not sleep, sighs, tossing and turning ... Sarah:
        - Why you do not sleep?
        - Yes, I owe Moishe a hundred rubles, so I’m thinking how I will give ...
        Sarah gets up, opens the window and shouts "Moishe, Moishe!"
        The window opposite opens and Moishe asks: “What do you need, Sarah?”
        “Does Abram owe you a hundred rubles?”
        - Yes!
        - So, he won’t give them to you !!!
        He closes the window and says: “Sleep, Abram, now let Moishe not sleep!”
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 August 2019 18: 47
          +1
          In the Russian Empire, the position of a learned Jew existed under government bodies! So maybe with our bodies to establish something like that, purely spisfis .....
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 9 August 2019 14: 46
    +1
    Despite the agreement of May 27, 1997, according to which the government of the Russian Federation agreed to pay $ 400 million, bondholders remain victims

    And these people call Russia non-negotiable!
    1. axiles100682
      axiles100682 9 August 2019 14: 58
      +1
      In my opinion, Russia is one of the few that still somehow tries to comply with international rules and fulfill its obligations.
  12. usr01
    usr01 9 August 2019 14: 50
    +1
    Ah, that's not a question ...
    Send a messenger ...
    Napoleon has already come !!!
  13. Nick
    Nick 9 August 2019 14: 54
    +2
    Tsarist Russian gold was dissolved in the banks of Japan, Czechoslovakia, England. Redirect the request to these countries. Let them pay their royal debts
  14. Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 9 August 2019 15: 00
    +1
    To understand and to forgive crying
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 9 August 2019 15: 06
    +2
    Actually, what questions to the Russian Federation are the heirs of the Romanov’s house under the law on restitution adopted in the EU, they can safely claim the land that was acquired by purchase, in particular, the Baltic countries ... they’ll be calculated by them, I think the Baltic states will not mind becoming a province of France, given their situation. Only by paying off debts, the Russian Federation should also recall the seized property of Russia on the subject of debts, and there should be a lot of it. I remember the question was raised during the time of Yeltsin, so given that the West should have returned to Russia and how much they quickly forgot about debts.
  16. Vdi73
    Vdi73 9 August 2019 15: 06
    0
    Suck not small.
  17. Cry
    Cry 9 August 2019 15: 07
    +3
    According to the results of the 2nd World War, Stalin made France a power, therefore, by zeros, otherwise we will demand compensation for the robbery that Napoleon inflicted on Russia in the 1st World War II. After all, then Paris was ours, but nothing was exported to Russia from it.
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 9 August 2019 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Wanderer Polente
    After all, debts are also inherited.

    Right. They won’t go for the throne (according to all the laws of the Republic of Ingushetia they don’t roll), but to inherit the debts of their ancestors is quite.
  19. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 9 August 2019 15: 35
    0
    tie the issue of royal bonds to the return of royal gold
  20. Avior
    Avior 9 August 2019 15: 37
    0
    The USSR and the Russian Federation were not recognized as the successor to RI, the USSR itself was not recognized either, and why it occurred to Yeltsin and his entourage to recognize debts to private individuals is impossible to understand. Looking for cheap popularity in the West? Was that the time?
    And so they recognized the fact of responsibility for these debts, who knows how to turn around.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 August 2019 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Avior
      why did it occur to Yeltsin and his entourage to recognize debts to private individuals
      - there Khrushchev began to solve this issue - it was necessary to sell gas, but for this the politicians should be beaten there ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 9 August 2019 16: 44
        -1
        Nevertheless, the debt was recognized and decided to pay under Yeltsin, although there was no need for this.
        Now reaping the benefits
        hi
  21. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 August 2019 15: 39
    0
    Well, this issue is easy to settle, a counterclaim against France for burned Moscow and compensation for money in gold at the then rate spent on the adjustment, we are still rebuilding)))
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 August 2019 15: 51
    +1
    Those who borrowed, let them give them back, we paid off the debts of the USSR. The rest does not shake us.
  23. 1536
    1536 9 August 2019 15: 56
    -1
    At first, this whole European gang organized the revolution in Russia and the overthrow of Nicholas II, at least contributed to this and very much, and now they are also blackmailing with some obligations of the overthrown tsarist government. There was no need to pay then, nor now. Lenin V.I. - the head of Soviet Russia, clearly answered them: "Demand from the one who took!"
  24. Govorun
    Govorun 9 August 2019 16: 08
    0
    France again demanded payments on bonds of tsarist Russia
    The French rogue, they cannot do without our payments, each mongrel already allows you to demand from Russia, you will demand ... For the liberation of your "lousy" Europe in the Great Patriotic Account, WE PRESENT ...
  25. Korpus
    Korpus 9 August 2019 16: 11
    +3
    Everyone is demanding and demanding money from us .. Like in 2000 they paid off.! But with Russia no one wants to pay .. The Russian empire kept huge amounts of money in Western banks and the same gold reserve, somewhere in Japan .. Maybe you should still roll your lip ..? We saved you from fascism all the same .. Otherwise, your ancestors would have used soap and fertilizers .. Do you remember all over the "enlightened Europe" crematoria smoked? Don't anger the Russian gentlemen, you didn't rob us enough, only in the 90s. Is everything small?
  26. K-50
    K-50 9 August 2019 16: 11
    0
    France again raised the issue of payments on Russian bonds of the tsarist times.

    At the beginning of 2018, they were assured in Paris that France had no complaints against Russia regarding tsar’s loans.

    Everyone else can walk in the forest. yes
  27. georggy
    georggy 9 August 2019 16: 27
    0
    I have claims against the paddling pools for the damage done in 1812, 1918, 1941-42.
  28. Prutkov
    Prutkov 9 August 2019 16: 31
    +1
    I would remind the French about the indemnity they received from Kaiser Germany based on the results of the WWII, but forgot to share with my ally in the military coalition.
  29. ZVS
    ZVS 9 August 2019 16: 32
    +1
    Russia paid off these frog freaks for centuries ahead, putting tens of millions of its people on the field of World War II for the freedom of frogmen. And no longer come back to this question.
    The whole world is indebted to Russia for the right to live in a free world.
  30. vmo
    vmo 9 August 2019 16: 38
    +1
    The kids play pranks on smoking, of course not cigarettes, let them turn to Britain there is Russian money there, God give to the poor swami.
  31. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 9 August 2019 18: 10
    +2
    Let them return what was stolen and damaged during the intervention in 1919. Or is it all the little things? The Bolsheviks refused to pay the debts of the anti-people regime, and did not pay 70 years. At the same time, no greed was heard. Now they began to chew snot, wishing everyone would like it, so they got the whole pack on a visit and no respect. Nicholas sold the whole country to foreigners, they pumped everything out of here, and even demanded that our men drive them with machine guns in order to save theirs in Paris. Few??? Still have to ??? For me, those who owe them to us need to be there for good, we don’t need either one or the other. Adieu!
  32. LeonidL
    LeonidL 9 August 2019 18: 34
    0
    Evil diseases are always very contagious, where Poland with a hoof, and French cancer there too ...
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 18: 50
    -1
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Let them turn to Britain - somewhere around 2,5 billion (current) dollars are still wandering on Nikolashka II’s personal accounts.
    Swedes, Japanese, Americans are thieves. laughing
  34. abc_alex
    abc_alex 9 August 2019 19: 26
    0
    All issues of Russia's debts to France are settled. This is recorded in an intergovernmental bilateral agreement. Amounts due paid. From this moment, all claims on Russia's debt are borne by France.
  35. Candidate of Military Sciences
    Candidate of Military Sciences 9 August 2019 19: 48
    0
    Well, to begin with, let them watch a multi-part film called "Kolchak", so as not from the first, but from the last episode to understand how much they owe Tsarist Russia themselves ... in gold pieces. ... They will never pay off with us, but they will have to.
  36. iouris
    iouris 9 August 2019 20: 24
    0
    It is right. The government of the Russian Federation always pays. Even when the Russian Federation does not owe anyone. So it is necessary.
  37. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 August 2019 20: 26
    0
    So let the heirs of the monarchy and coward. But the Soviet Union is not the heir to the tsarist regime. Like Russia.
  38. albert
    albert 9 August 2019 20: 27
    0
    Let the monarchists turn.
  39. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 20: 37
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Sergey39
    Is it worth taking the matter seriously.

    If we take the issue seriously, then the "owner of the Russian land" has heirs - let them shake them.
    After all, debts are also inherited.
    Who is this? impostors? laughing Sheremetyevs seem to have more rights too laughing
  40. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 20: 40
    -1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    So let the heirs of the monarchy and coward. But the Soviet Union is not the heir to the tsarist regime. Like Russia.

    laughing lol Monarchists? After liberals and communists wassat ?
  41. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 20: 45
    -1
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: axiles100682
    Well, if the Russian Federation considers itself the assignee of the USSR and RI

    The last owner of the Republic of Ingushetia was Kolya II - all questions to him.
    Kolya II lived on a salary laughing crying wassat
  42. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 20: 56
    0
    Assessing the period from 1896 to 1902, it should be noted that each year Nicholas II spent on average quite modest 2000–5000 rubles on his “wardrobe”. So, in 1899, he spent on clothing only 2711 rubles. However, in 1896 and 1901. expenses under this article increased many times (in 1896 - up to 16 rubles and in 198 - 1901 rubles). Such a significant increase in costs is understandable and understandable. In 16, coronation celebrations took place, followed by the first official trip of Nicholas II to a number of European countries, and in 628 a very important official visit to France took place. Naturally, not only new uniforms were sewn for these trips, but also the wardrobe of the king as a whole was updated. In addition, the 1896-year-old king simply “matured”, gaining weight. Therefore, it was necessary to change most of the wardrobe. Of particular interest is how Nicholas II received cash. Amounts could be very different. So, in the Fedorovsky Cathedral, after the service, according to tradition, the ministers went around the worshipers with a “circle gathering”. Usually in this situation, Nicholas II dropped a golden five-ruble with its own profile onto the tray. In order to get these coins, he wrote short notes to the Empress’s Office: “Send me 1901 thousand rubles and 30 five-ruble gold. Nikolay. November 3, 2 Ts.S. "; “Give me 12 rubles. and 1912 gold five ruble. Dec 2000 C.S. ”; “Send me two more five rubles.” N. Dec 4 16



    laughing
  43. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 21: 00
    0
    4. Donations to schools and charities. The article “donations” occupied a very important place in the personal budgets of all the Romanovs. In Nicholas II in the books this article was divided into two components. First, donations went to various educational institutions, and then donations to charitable institutions. Among the "charitable" institutions "were donations in favor of various churches. The amounts donated by the king to educational institutions were quite significant. So, from 1896 to 1913 they five times exceeded the amount of 10 rubles. (000 - 1896 rubles; 16 - 400 rubles; 1898 - 10 rubles; 600 - 1900 rubles; 11 - 250 rubles). For the most part, such payments were not regular in nature and were connected with the king’s official visits to various educational institutions on the occasion of their anniversaries. This, in fact, explains the fact that in 1906 only 14 rubles were spent on this article. As for donations to charitable institutions, the construction of the Orthodox Church of St. Mary Magdalene in Darmstadt was the largest “project” of Nicholas II. Fixed assets for the construction of the church were allocated between 250 and 1907. The amounts were very significant for the personal budget of Nicholas II. So, in 13–657. 1903 264 rubles were spent on “building an Orthodox church in Darmstadt” Later, when work began on decorating the interior of the temple, funds were also allocated very large, they ranged from 1898 to 1901 rubles. For example, from these means in 1898 to the artist V.M. Vasnetsov transferred 1999 rubles. “As a donation” for the icon of the Mother of God donated to Darmstadt. In the same 194, the famous architect L.N. Benoit twice paid 732 rubles. for observing "the construction of the temple in Darmstadt ... under the article of donation."

    wassat laughing
  44. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 21: 04
    0
    Emperor Nicholas II, according to the tradition established in the royal family, supported the activities of the Red Cross. In July 1896, 400 rubles were transferred to the cash desk of the Committee of Guardianship of the Red Cross on behalf of Nicholas II.478 One-time donations “with history” occurred. For example, Nicholas II accepted the traditional donations of Alexander III for the arrangement of charity Christmas trees and annually allocated several hundred rubles to a long-time acquaintance, Prince V.V. Meshchersky (1903 - 300 rubles; 1913 - 1000 rubles) "at the Christmas tree for poor children."

    laughing laughing
  45. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 21: 12
    -1
    . Benefits were allocated for specific people, somehow connected personally with the emperor. As a rule, these were teachers and servants of Nicholas II. Money was allocated to the servants for the funeral of relatives, to the widows of deceased servants, it could be money for treatment or payment of transport expenses when traveling to their homeland. There were many situations, but, as a rule, the amount of benefits turned out to be rather modest. The amounts were for the most part non-recurring, and the total expense for this item was difficult to predict. The tsar’s largest “expense” occurred in 1899 (11 rubles). The most modest amount came in 942 (1905 rubles). 2325. Gifts and cash rewards. Empress Alexandra Fedorovna was mainly engaged in gifts in the family, but Nicholas II also participated in this. He very rarely made gifts “on his own”, as a rule, participated in gifts “in a pool”, the tsar paid half the cost of the gift.

    laughing laughing lol
  46. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 August 2019 21: 17
    -1
    Nicholas II was not a wasteful person. For years he wore the same things, preferring patched and darned, but familiar parts of the toilet.
    laughing laughing wassat
  47. Antares
    Antares 9 August 2019 21: 55
    0
    those debts recognized by the RF-France and its citizens - she paid. Fixed.
    Those debts that the Russian Federation did not recognize, including private ones, Russia will not pay. Due to their non-recognition as valid. No agreements have been signed. She did not enter the EU of the Russian Federation either; she did not sign any restitution. The country has changed names and borders several times. Not responsible for all events on the former. its territory.
    However, no one can forbid someone to file a lawsuit in a European court and sue for years.
    Even in cases of victory is a Pyrrhic victory. And it will depend on the desire of the Russian Federation. And since paying once - to set a precedent for such cases, no one in their right mind will pay.
    So no one cares .. proceeding from the concept once you pay, you don’t stop paying everyone.
  48. Dmitry Bolotsky
    Dmitry Bolotsky 10 August 2019 03: 06
    +2
    In principle, complete garbage. On the one hand, the Bolsheviks abandoned all the debts and obligations of tsarist Russia. On the other hand, the Russian Federation recognized all the debts and obligations of the USSR and recognized itself as the legal successor. According to the news, in 1997 Russia and France agreed on the debts of tsarist Russia and France. And this is the third! And, if real Russia extinguishes tsar’s state debts, it means modern Russia can also demand a return of funds at the state level from members of the Entente, at least. And, at a minimum, compensation for damage from the actions of European countries on its territory from 1917 to 1923. In principle, complete nonsense. Soviet power as if on the sidelines. But, if pre-Soviet financial problems were agreed with France in 1997, why not solve them with the rest of Europe. There is a precedent. It is a pity that there are no specialists, real lawyers.
  49. ydjin
    ydjin 10 August 2019 03: 09
    0
    Pay and repent ?! Yes swallow the dust swallow! Let us jackals pay for the intervention!
  50. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 10 August 2019 12: 51
    0
    And then the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the holders can not live without this money? Not enough for bread? or do they need interest for inflation since 1997?