Landfill in the Arkhangelsk region. What could have exploded in Nenox?

It’s worth mentioning right away that no one, including the author, has any specific information, and everyone who writes something on this topic, in general, is involved in speculating, speculating and filtering rumors, no matter what sources they refer to.


Landfill in the Arkhangelsk region. What could have exploded in Nenox?

Zone overlapping 15-20 July


Nenox training ground


So, the official statement states that “an emergency occurred at the training ground in the Arkhangelsk region” during the tests of the “liquid rocket engine”, which led to the death of two people and six more injuries. This landfill is called the 45 State Naval Testing Ground and it is located in Nenoks, 30 km from Severodvinsk. Nenoksa is a rather interesting place, where almost all the missiles that go into the Navy’s armament were carried out and are being tested: RCC, PLUR, SAM and even SLBMs. Their throwing launches were also carried out there in due time. There is information from various sources that the 3M22 Zircon hypersonic long-range heavy anti-ship missiles are now being tested there. Moreover, recently restrictions on flights and shipping (NOTAMs) from 15 to 20 of July were introduced in the area of ​​the training ground.


Nenox training ground


But, unlike typical "Zircon" bans, it was not narrow enough, but extended for hundreds and hundreds of kilometers, from Nenoksa to the Chizhi training ground (where there are falling fields, in particular for launches of SLBMs with SSBNs from the Red Banner Pacific fleet) and the prohibition zone that covers the heights, as was the case in NOTAM on July 2-4. It was a small zone, in the area of ​​the landfill, with altitudes from 0 to 1000 m. Which suggests that at that time it was clearly not a heavy hypersonic RCC that was capable of flying at both low and high altitudes, but something else wasn’t high-speed, not long-range, and perhaps then it was a matter of throwing the launch of a certain product or of the fact that it simply wrapped circles in the area of ​​the landfill. This time there were no warnings, probably flight tests for this day were not planned.

There is another version that Nenox is one of several places, along with the Kapustin Yar and Pankova Zemly Peninsula on Novaya Zemlya, where they test the components and prototypes of ground-based Raman missiles with unlimited range and the Petrel nuclear-powered jet engine (NAR), with the index presumably 9M730. This is evidenced by the tento-mobile arched shelters found on Google photos, found on Pankovaya Zemlya, where the Petrel was tested accurately (identified by video), and on KapYar, and there is such a thing on Nenoks. They are all the same size, approximately 17-19 m, and are located inside their launchers.






The test facility at the 45 test site, designed to test the new Kyrgyz Republic, according to the CIA. As well as tented arched shelters at the training ground on Novaya Zemlya and Nenoksa

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So, what could really explode there? If you take officialdom literally, then you really can not exclude the explosion or fire of one of the liquid-propellant liquid-propelled rocket launchers, say, the P-29РМУ2.1 "Liner" or some other. But, on the other hand, these missiles have not been tested there for a long time - they do not need it. Maybe some kind of fire tests were carried out for some new version of the engine? Or throw throw of an upgraded SLBM? Hardly, but how the version can be accepted. This can also explain the presence of people in chemical, radiation and biosecurity facilities on personnel, where the wounded are transferred to an intensive care unit. The fuel for such missiles is UDMH - asymmetric dimethylhydrazine, an extremely toxic substance, and an oxidizing agent is no better there. This also explains the closure of the area for shipping for a month after an emergency - if some debris and fuel and an oxidizing agent get into the water, then the debris needs to be removed, and the poison needs time to disperse in the water.


Zone of overlapping access for shipping for a month, until September 10


The Zircon explosion version or its engine is not believed. No, of course, it is clear that any new, and especially such a breakthrough product, like 3М22, can not do without accidents during testing. But it is unlikely that the engine there belongs to liquid reactive ones, as well as the first, accelerating stage. It is known that their developer is the Perm NPO Iskra, and there they are working on solid-fuel engines.

It is possible that the accident happened when testing the engine or the non-nuclear prototype of the Petrel - a nuclear one would hardly be tested near Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk, for this there is Novaya Zemlya. Rumors about the connection of radiation in Severodvinsk, which has risen to extremely modest values ​​and for as long as 20-30 minutes, with the tests of 9M730 or its components, in general, also do not fit, especially since the detected radioactive isotope was radon, and it was clearly not fits the definition of traces of nuclear destruction. Radon emissions are most often of natural origin.

There is another version that the incident occurred on a certain ship. Indeed, in a published satellite image from August 8, in the sea, opposite the site of the test site, where 9М730 is supposedly tested, there were several ships and ships. For the most part, the AIS sensor was disabled, but one was still recognized. And this ship was the Serebryanka special tanker, a small ship 102 m long and 1625 t deadweight, designed to service nuclear icebreakers and collect liquid radioactive waste. Why there was "Serebryanka" is unknown. A fire on such a ship can be a source of trouble, I would not want just such a scenario.




Serebryanka special vessel and its location in a satellite image from August 8 in the Nenoksa area


Other versions of what happened are also possible.

Chernobyl is canceled


Silence on this topic from the RF Ministry of Defense gave rise to another “influx” of various kinds of “alarmist experts” and simply hysteria that we have, in the West, frightening townsfolk with almost new Chernobyl in Nenoks. The benefit of the HBO anti-Soviet series was recently, the western man still did not forget the word Chernobyl, and you can scare him. However, we also have enough clever people who advise residents of Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk to drink iodine, although there is no reason for this. Which, by the way, can lead to poisoning, in such cases they drink iodine preparations, and not iodine itself - let the authors of such rumors drink iodine, in vials, without diluting them. Perhaps it was dishonest drug dealers who had fussed around, or else a lot of iodine had accumulated?

Unfortunately, the theme of the Nenox training ground itself does not imply openness in covering events at it. As well as the recent accident at the GUGI AGS, official information is extremely stingy and gives a lot of room for fiction, which many use. The real scenario of an emergency at Nenoks can be quite different, with breakthrough products that are not connected in any way and very prosaic. But it is unlikely that we will reliably know something in the near future, although the informational “roll” will only grow.
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  1. Tahtvjd2868 12 August 2019 05: 37 New
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    Already confirmed the death of 5 Rosatom specialists. Excerpts to their loved ones
    1. aszzz888 12 August 2019 05: 59 New
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      Tahtvjd2868 (Edward) Today, 05: 37 NEW
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      Already confirmed the death of 5 Rosatom specialists. Excerpts to their loved ones

      I support and believe that the article is at least not relevant in terms of official facts announced by Rosatom.
      1. Nestorych 12 August 2019 11: 55 New
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        But it is very relevant in terms of illustrating the constant lies with which they cover the systemic crisis in all areas and the country as a whole.
        1. Alexey RA 12 August 2019 14: 24 New
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          Quote: Nestorych
          But it is very relevant in terms of illustrating the constant lies with which they cover the systemic crisis in all areas and the country as a whole.

          If explosions during tests are symptoms of a systemic crisis, then all of humanity is constantly living in a systemic crisis.
          The engines of missiles and missiles as a whole during tests continually explode always and everywhere - regardless of order and order in the country. Remember at least N-1 or Saturn-5.
          1. kuz363 14 August 2019 07: 15 New
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            There is a difference. N-1 exploded in Baikonur. Moreover, a non-nuclear engine. And here it is possible nuclear and in populated areas. Want a second Chernobyl7
        2. Alex Fox 13 August 2019 11: 09 New
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          How is your gas price?
          1. morgan_67 13 August 2019 21: 14 New
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            dropped 25%
        3. vik669 13 August 2019 12: 01 New
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          What a deep thought - yes with technology you always need to “YOU” but even this does not exclude problems during operation and even more so tests! Well, obviously it’s not kerogas that exploded, but something else — to whom they know and to the rest — you know the less you sleep better!
        4. Okolotochny 13 August 2019 13: 45 New
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          This song is good, start over. Come on, for the "evil GDP" who has not spoken yet?
          1. Mikhail Zarokov 15 August 2019 13: 02 New
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            So far, only you.
            1. Okolotochny 16 August 2019 12: 07 New
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              You read the post of Nestorych above, and then indicate.
              1. Mikhail Zarokov 15 October 2019 05: 11 New
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                read, no there about ,, evil GDP ,,. And where did I point you?
  2. Mikhail m 12 August 2019 05: 42 New
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    Bottom line: the banner exploded where nothing is known. There is no danger to the population. We are waiting for new versions.
    1. dedusik 12 August 2019 21: 55 New
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      U.S. intelligence version voiced about tragedy near Severodvinsk
      https://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/515630-ozvuchena-versiya-razvedki-ssha-o-tragedii-pod-severodvinskom.html
  3. aszzz888 12 August 2019 05: 57 New
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    Variants of what happened - the mass

    So, what could really explode there?

    And why these "options" ?! Why such fortunetellers by the author ?! Today on TV, Rosatom explained the cause of the explosion. The names and positions of five dead employees were announced. My condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. bbtcs 12 August 2019 07: 20 New
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      This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?
      1. aries2200 12 August 2019 07: 52 New
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        these are people’s habat ... you can’t believe in a nightingale it advertises and does not hide .. Skobeeva a young beautiful fool does not understand for whom she works "in the end"
        1. bbtcs 12 August 2019 08: 14 New
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          What is a habat - I do not know. I suspect that the word is Muslim. And the “journalists" know everything well. They are minions and actresses. And it’s the actress who is incomparably worse than the same Ulyanov! It's nice to look at him, but not Solovyov. Not at all!
          Everything that Skobeev works for is also clear. At the Kremlin rating, among the not very smart. For that, and beauty. One thing is not clear. Here on the site they like to say that people do not decide anything. And why did they push him to harass? Well, they would not say anything.
          And what is the dry residue - I do not know.
          1. aries2200 12 August 2019 10: 53 New
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            Chabad is a Judeo-Nazi ultra-orthodox sect, also known as the Chabad-Lubavitch movement.
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            Chabadniks actively oppose the process of Jewish assimilation and are fanatical fighters for purity of blood. The basic principle of the fascist ideology of the sect is the following: "Jews are above everything, and Chabad is above Jews."
      2. NEOZ 12 August 2019 10: 32 New
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        Quote: bbtcs
        This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?

        saying “A” say “B”!
        and which television do you believe?
      3. vik669 13 August 2019 12: 06 New
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        What are you - only US intelligence or ...!
      4. Inspector 17 August 2019 21: 13 New
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        Well of course you believe that:
        https://news.rambler.ru/world/42677927-afrikantsy-priznalis-vo-lzhi-o-rossiyanah-v-tsar-dlya-filma-cnn/
        These truths are told ... Besides double standards, nothing more ???
    2. astepanov 12 August 2019 11: 30 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      Rosatom explained the cause of the explosion.

      The truth (their truth) about the explosion was laid out by Echo of Moscow (https://echo.msk.ru/news/2481195-echo.html). The title is: "Five Rosatom employees died last week due to the explosion of a small nuclear reactor." And then it suddenly follows in the same place: “a rocket explosion with radioisotope power sources occurred”. In general, the oscilloscope’s notorious arrowheads distinctly scented either from Latynina or from her fellow fakecomers in the workshop — amazingly cheap fakecomets. Involuntarily the thought creeps in: maybe they are specially kept in order to discredit the entire liberal movement? Is it possible that in such a place and spontaneously there can be so many patients of the Kanachikovo dacha who put an equal sign between the reactor and the isotope source, and even unscrupulously refer to the scientific director of the Federal Nuclear Center in Sarov? Or am I not understanding something?
      1. vik669 13 August 2019 12: 10 New
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        We are waiting for the truth (our truth) about the explosion to be laid out by the patients of Kanatchikov’s dacha and decide where the editorial office of “Echo of Moscow” is!
        1. jjj
          jjj 13 August 2019 13: 45 New
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          We have developed a new type of reactor, which allows us to immediately receive electrical energy in the process of fission at the output. Dimensions are very small. The energy output is much higher than that of the traditional "atomic batteries" used in lighthouses in remote places. In fact, this is a "battery reactor"
          1. astepanov 13 August 2019 19: 02 New
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            Are you not mistaken? In the process of fission, only fission products are formed: nuclei, neutrons, radiation. Most of them get stuck in the fissile material, the cladding of the fuel elements and moderator - and give them energy, generating heat. Of course, you can convert the energy of gamma rays or beta rays into electricity using semiconductor converters (as they do in some isotopic "batteries") - only the efficiency of such a conversion is negligible, and the semiconductor panel inside the reactor will not last long. It is possible to drive a stream of gas heated to a state of plasma in the working zone of the reactor, and then drive the plasma into the MHD generator — but this is technically more difficult than the traditional use of a turbine, and is no better. It is possible to convert heat into electricity without any mechanics using thermoelectric converters - but again this is worse with efficiency than a turbine, and installation is harder and more complicated than a conventional RTG. Maybe you are confused with RTG? Do not throw a link to the source?
            1. jjj
              jjj 14 August 2019 13: 11 New
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              This was told by Mikhail Kovalchuk about six months ago on TV
              1. astepanov 14 August 2019 17: 40 New
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                Kovalchuk is still a talker. His business is crystallography, not nuclear physics. And are you sure you got it right? Are you a techie?
          2. kuz363 14 August 2019 07: 17 New
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            Be silent! You betrayed a state secret. Wait now when the FSB knocks on you
  4. parusnik 12 August 2019 06: 09 New
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    Variants of what happened - the mass
    ... When there are a lot of options, it’s called casting a shadow on the fence ... like OBS ...
  5. svp67 12 August 2019 06: 21 New
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    Well, the "ubiquitous" and "omniscient" "Ukrainian intelligence" has already posted a number of interesting photos that give reason to believe that they were more afraid of chemical poisoning, in contact with the same heptyl or its vapors than radiation


    1. bbtcs 12 August 2019 07: 18 New
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      Nekhay spread, and we'll see.
  6. bbtcs 12 August 2019 07: 29 New
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    And I even do not care what exploded there. Petrel abomination, I do not need. It would be better to prepare a nuclear power plant for flights to Mars and Jupiter. But the main thing is not even that the lofty, peaceful cosmos is not of interest to such as Cote Manul and other herdsmen. The main thing is the love of secrets. Those who, in commandership, go out and are proud and proud that I know, but you, you know nothing, and I spit on you! Moreover, at our own expense, because his boars are produced due to the fact that this type was eaten from our national plate. But there are other strange people on the site. who scream that these secrets are blowing their brains. Like - it’s bad, I carry it in myself, I don’t sleep at night, I get over it, I suffer for my Motherland! I tell them - reject the dirty, do not serve! No, they continue to tear their brains, indulge in masochism.
    And to the families of the victims - my condolences.
    Now, if only they were civilians, did not serve the milter, it would be better.
    1. Xnumx vis 12 August 2019 10: 06 New
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      A bayonet to the ground! Peace to the world! The soldier is demobilized! Hug under a colorful rainbow a symbol of homosexuals and lesbians! Let's go through the thousands of gay parade on Red Square! Gay! Gay! Gay! ! Hooray!!!
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      2. Glaaki 12 August 2019 17: 17 New
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        Hug under a multi-colored rainbow gay symbol

        Gay! Gay! Gay! !


        Milman, leave your fantasies and projections to yourself.
        1. Xnumx vis 12 August 2019 21: 55 New
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          wink Irony and sarcasm .. Here is what is present in my quote .. drinks
      3. bbtcs 12 August 2019 18: 47 New
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        I will answer by quoting.
    2. toha124 12 August 2019 11: 36 New
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      Decent position. The only question is - why should you then sit on our militaristic website? what
      At the entrance they warn that the observation is purely military.
      1. bbtcs 12 August 2019 19: 13 New
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        Wow purely military! When "Horse, Dulelub and Ludoved" talks about small arms - it's military. And when they blame Ukraine and America, what's the military?
        And against the military theme, I have nothing. She is very interesting. Especially historical. The bayonet is needed. But of moderate length. Armored personnel carriers, howitzers, machine guns - quietly, modestly, culturally, yelling only at landfills, and not at each other. Not proud to know evil, knowing that it is evil. Do not repeat their screams in 60 minutes. Do not go on about Skabeeva and Kiselev. Do not rob people. New boots - good. The dining room is clean - good. BTR new - excellent. But why is a stormburder? Why a rocket when children are being treated for money, and even adults? SMS are collected. Drop the robbery of the military-industrial complex. Cut spending. Can’t shorten it - say it’s an abomination, be an honest Russian person. Remember the old song:

        If the guys of the whole Earth,
        They brought their oath to the world!
        That would be great in a company like that!
        And then to the moon, then give a hand!

        Here! And so, well, you are no different from McCain and Turchinov. The same "patriots." And I’m saying this from the ceiling. I didn’t read either McCain or Turchinov, I rely only on your comments. What if they are honest and kind people laughing
        I again express my condolences on the death of scientists. it is unfortunate that the minds are dying. And it is a pity that the minds direct their activities to destructive or unprotected purposes.
        1. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 10: 32 New
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          Quote: bbtcs
          New boots - good. The dining room is clean - good. BTR new - excellent. But why is a stormburder? Why a rocket when children are being treated for money, and even adults?

          Then, so as not to be like this:

          Alas, all international law rests on the right of force. And only the threat of inevitable retaliation saves the hegemon from a radical solution to his domestic political and economic problems: Do you have any hydrocarbons? You do not want us to mine them? Then democracy flies to you! or Our president is on the verge of impeachment! Urgently need to bomb someone!
          Quote: bbtcs
          If the guys of the whole Earth,
          They brought their oath to the world!
          That would be great in a company like that!
          And then to the moon, then give a hand!

          Right. But the key word is the whole earth. All. And you are calling for unilateral disarmament.
          We have already gone through this. At first we were patted on the shoulder - Guud, Michael, Guud... and then suddenly it turned out that access to the foreign market needed Khan's shortcut. And all the most delicious pieces are redistributed without us. And let the Russian bear sit in the den and advertise pizza.
          There is no pure economy outside politics. These are the myths of liberal economists of the 90s. In practice, the activities of private corporations outside the state are supported by state structures. And the stronger the state is, the larger a piece of the pie will be seized by its corporations and the higher will be their profit. And the higher the profit, the (ideally) the higher the amount of taxes collected.
          Actually, a good example of the intervention of a strong state in the "free market" today is shown to us by President Trump, who in every possible way promotes American LNG on the European market, while the competitor’s soul is affected by economic and political sanctions.
      2. DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 11: 03 New
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        Quote: toha124
        At the entrance they warn that the observation is purely military.


        Yeah - especially to honor Samsonov - that’s not the story there, but the battle of the Rus with the masters of the West from the Cretaceous period. Clinic.
    3. Vadim237 12 August 2019 12: 14 New
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      Since Mars and Jupiter in Rosatom, since 2010 they have been creating a nuclear power generation reactor to provide spacecraft power and operation of plasma engines.
      1. Errr 12 August 2019 12: 50 New
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        A non-liquid multiple-launch rocket engine with pre-evaporation of components by heating? In such a scheme, a nuclear battery would be very appropriate.
        1. DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 11: 09 New
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          Quote: Herrr
          A non-liquid multiple-launch rocket engine with pre-evaporation of components by heating? In such a scheme, a nuclear battery would be very appropriate.


          And the combustion chamber, cooled by components, what did not please? Thermal calculation - it is necessary in liquid form, it is necessary - here in gaseous form, adjusting the volume of the cooling switch and the volume of the pumped component
          1. Errr 13 August 2019 12: 26 New
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            Yes, I was simply interested in the moment of the repeated (very cold) launch of the heptyl-amyl LRE in a long flight (after a very long break in work).)
      2. bbtcs 12 August 2019 18: 57 New
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        If the money, training grounds and scientists who spend on the Petrel were redirected to space, good work would go faster.
    4. vik669 13 August 2019 12: 17 New
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      It would be better to prepare a nuclear power plant for flights to Mars and Jupiter - or maybe let's buy plywood for all this money, build an EROPLAN, and fly away - to hell! - from this, his mother, a collective farm !!!
  7. aries2200 12 August 2019 07: 53 New
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    and what do the Scandinavian ecologists say ???
  8. Stirbjorn 12 August 2019 08: 35 New
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    I liked the article, an interesting analysis of the options for what happened, without mentioning any liberals and agents of the State Department. Unlike yesterday, where the author Volodin, smashed Latynina, who wrote about the same "Petrel" ... well, an enthusiastic audience rushed to discuss the mental and physical abilities of this madam ... in general, hype was a success, but actually on the topic nothing was said
  9. bubalik 12 August 2019 08: 49 New
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    ,,, here is yesterday’s comment by V.O.

    Testov (Eugene) Yesterday, 22: 09

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    In Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk did not find excess radiation background
    Dear visitors of the Military Review, I am a Severodvino. Russian Defense Ministry is silent and, it seems, will be silent for a long time. The day before yesterday, special police officers woke up: both the military and civilian specialists were given a subscription. True, they forgot that Sevmash and Zvyozdochka are equipped with an automatic warning system. After its operation, the typewriters of the nuclear safety and nuclear safety departments (nuclear and radiation safety department) went to the established points of the plants and the nuclear safety and nuclear safety specialists carried out control measurements of the radiation level. Excess was at times. In factories, not everyone has the right to carry mobile phones, but there was a flurry of calls to the city. Head of Civil Defense Department in the Administration of Severodvinsk, who issued in 14 hours 23 min. the message, Valentin Magomedov, served quite a lot at the Nenoks training ground. On 08 of August I quoted the message on the website of V.O. in comments. The amazing thing began in the evening of August 08, when the governor of the Orlov region visited Severodvinsk. The message has disappeared. The people vividly discussed this at Severodvinsklife VKontakte and at Belomorkanal. The wounded were sent to Moscow to the FMBA by servicemen in gas masks and OZK. They say that in Moscow the "ambulance" with the victims was removed "packed" with film. Regarding the weather. Until about 16 hour, 08.08.19 wind was in southeast in Severodvinsk. Somewhere in the swamps beyond the Solza River, he came across a northwest wind from Nenoksy. Then rain came from Pertominsk through Nenoksa to Severodvinsk. It brought with it a northwest wind. The current in the White Sea from Sopka (the testing ground of the test site), Nenoksa itself stands on the river, about 1,5 km from the sea, goes east to Severodvinsk. Somewhere near the Solza River, it turns north-east from the coast - the Northern Dvina wringes it, but with strong tides and winds from the north-west and from the north it goes almost to Rikashiha and Chubol - Navolok in the Dvina delta. As 08.08.19 was necessary to clarify with hydrologists.
    Why didn’t they notify the people? It is necessary for the prosecutor’s office to interrogate all officials of Severodvinsk and factories with partiality. Would there be a panic? I think no. Too often there were emergency situations with radiation in Severodvinsk. Evacuation trainings were carried out both at military and civilian facilities in factories and in the city. Yes, the Emergencies Ministry’s military didn’t let them in Nenoks ... Many people in the city recall the Kursk and the answer with a smile to the question from the Italian correspondent: “She drowned” ... On the eighth of August they initially spoke about two dead civilian experts and 15 wounded ... Condolences to the relatives of the victims and recovery to the injured ...
    1. Harry.km 12 August 2019 20: 25 New
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      Quote: bubalik
      , here is yesterday’s comment by V.O.

      For some reason, I want to believe this comrade. Because an eyewitness described the work style of the Soviet (Russian) authorities. The authorities first concealed the real situation. Then they began to pull the owl on the globe ... about radon and stuff.
      1. jjj
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        And on August 10, the rain passed over Sakharov Square in the capital of our Motherland ...
  10. rocket757 12 August 2019 08: 51 New
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    "Do not go to the fortuneteller!" - so, let's not go!
  11. gridasov 12 August 2019 09: 25 New
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    Once again, The bright memory of the dead! It can be stated once again that don’t jump until you jump. Statements about hyperspeed missiles are fairy tales for children, because adults understand that everything is determined by technology and scientific theoretical knowledge. The tragedy that occurred is a perfectly logical and not the last case. There is no need to guess the little things. It is completely obvious that the method of working with unstable substances from which high energies can be released during their transformation and used to accelerate missiles is completely inapplicable. And this was said a thousand times. It is necessary to use procedural mechanisms for obtaining and extracting high energies, including from radioactive materials. Therefore, the technology itself and the nuclear reactor must be of a completely new kind and principle of operation, which has been discussed a lot.
    1. Harry.km 12 August 2019 20: 30 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      It is necessary to use procedural mechanisms for obtaining and extracting high energies

      What is a procedural mechanism?
      Where does it talk about a fundamentally new nuclear reactor, and even a lot? Sound the original sources, I would like to read.
      1. gridasov 12 August 2019 21: 23 New
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        A new kind of reactor should not be with radioactive material in a static state, but in a dynamic one. That is, the parts of the turbine represented simultaneously by the surfaces of the fluid flow and being either radioactive material or weakly radioactive will not only manifest their radioactive properties radially, but will concentrate it linearly. This design allows both the reactor and the turbine and generator to be used simultaneously in one monoblock, since the voltage on the stator can be removed from a radioactive material of a certain shape. All potential capabilities of such reactors will be concentrated in two key parameters - the radius of the rotor and the speed of rotation. Of course, I superficially described only the main principles of such a device. It is of course necessary to add that such a device can work both in an open process connected with the external environment and in a closed process and isolated and without oxygen or air. Such a power plant opens up incredible opportunities for engineers in the sense that it allows you to combine the parameters of various substances in their state of aggregation. If, for example, we interpret iron as just a substance in its solid state of use, then the device allows us to consider the new properties of iron with respect to the highly dynamic outflow of any liquids or gases relative to it, which ionize the material and allow it to create high voltages and currents of one direction in it. Of course, the turbine itself, by the principle, is slightly different and more progressive and efficient. To the same reason, the new design allows one to realize the key properties of both detonation and ion engines. In this case, I repeat once again that the radioactivity of the materials does not just warm the coolant, but uses the ionizing ability of a liquid or gases to create voltage and currents in the surface of the outflow from these materials, which significantly enhances the effects. Therefore, the procedural mechanisms must be supplemented by active and dynamic processes.
        1. gridasov 12 August 2019 21: 51 New
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          In general, if someone understands what is at stake, they should understand that, among other things, the problem of transforming energy from one process to another has been solved in a new way. Namely, these processes are minimized and combined into one device. Moreover, if until now we often talk about a list of applicable methods that allow the use of certain properties of materials and substances, then we expand this list to incredibly new perspectives. Namely, we can carry out studies of any substances for a wide variety of dynamic processes, which is extremely important in achieving hyper speeds. In addition, these studies can simply be transferred to Earth and in the laboratory.
          1. Svetlana 13 August 2019 12: 32 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            to carry out
            AI gridasov updated. In the update, the cherry on the cake - the introduction of distortion / replacement of letters in words, copying the handwriting of living people, such as to carry out / implement.
            1. gridasov 13 August 2019 12: 36 New
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              But with women I like to talk about life, about physics. They have a peculiar idea and very useful about the laws of processes.
        2. kuz363 14 August 2019 07: 25 New
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          Well in vain revealed all future secrets to the Americans. Now they are definitely the first to make such an apparatus. Moreover, in terms of microelectronics, they are ahead of the rest
          1. gridasov 14 August 2019 10: 00 New
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            Well, you don’t have to worry about this. Americans, however, like others think in Stirling categories, static constructions and low-potential processes. We are talking about high-potential physical processes and the analysis information for such processes is also different. Therefore, you just need to think accordingly. Moreover, if the censor evaluated what was said, then he should not have missed the information. And if he did, then this would be an assessment of his professionalism and qualifications. Moreover, I write in what language?
  12. Igar 12 August 2019 09: 58 New
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    The official statement of the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics (RFNC-VNIIEF)

  13. commander 12 August 2019 10: 24 New
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    Today is the anniversary of the death of the Kursk. Remember
    1. kuz363 14 August 2019 07: 27 New
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      Who else remembers the catch phrase - did it drown? And the people chose its author for another 6 years of a comfortable presidency. Russians have no memory and they deserve only such a president.
  14. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 11: 07 New
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    The article was written in hot pursuit and, having been in moderation for a long time, would now have written completely differently and much more clearly - this, with a probability of 90%, was the engine of the CR 9M730 Petrel on it itself. This he was called "liquid" and with a "radioisotope power source." The personalities of the dead and much more speak in favor of this. The remaining interest will be left to the fact that it could be a different product on the same principle of movement. About which nothing is known yet.

    This accident will not stop work on the Petrels, although it may slow down. New - it always makes its way hard. If it is radically new. The eternal memory of the dead and their best monument will be this product in a few years in service ....
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      I am of the same opinion, and a new liquid rocket with heptyl is to be walked around in your ears to justify the presence at the accident site of the RCBF and ships of the collection of radioactive waste.
      1. Vadim237 12 August 2019 12: 28 New
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        What happened in 1985 in Chizhma Bay
        “The axis of radioactive fallout crossed the Danube Peninsula in a northwest direction and reached the sea on the coast of the Ussuri Gulf. The length of the plume on the peninsula was 5,5 km (further aerosol particles fell to the surface of the water area up to 30 km from the discharge site).

        As a result of the accident, a center of radioactive contamination of the bottom of the Chazhma Bay was formed. The area of ​​intense radioactive contamination was concentrated in the accident area and, within the limits of the exposure dose rate (DER)> 240 µR / h, covers an area of ​​about 100 m². In the central part of the focus, the EDR is 000–20 mR / h (maximum 40 mR / h as of 117). Under the influence of currents, radioactive contamination gradually moved towards the exit from Chazhma Bay. The radioactivity of the bottom sediments is mainly due to cobalt-1992 (contribution to pollution of 60–96%, the half-life of cobalt-99 is approximately 60 years) and partially cesium-5,27. "- In this case, the whole nuclear submarine reactor came out.
        1. Sadam 12 August 2019 19: 43 New
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          hmm Chazhma cool))). no one has voiced the truth anywhere. I was still a kid when we went there every year for winter fishing from the ice of Pts deep about 30 meters. a few thousand people from the Find of Vladik. everyone catches and discusses how many kilometers that cover from the reactor flew away))) ...
          in Fokino (Texas) there is a place nearby PavlOvsk there is a base of atomic boats - I didn’t work as a civilian there for a short time (subscription not to leave the city for 5 years, etc.). oh, I've seen enough of it .. allocate a budget for burial of heavy water sealed in barrels to a concrete burial ground with an excavator - they take out the barrels in tow and shoot them with a machine gun and the depth there is 200 meters and the entire adjacent sea area is closed to civilians and greens ... right now I read the article I recall and pretend to be reality ...
    2. DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 11: 27 New
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      This accident will not stop work on the Petrels, although it may slow down. New - it always makes its way hard. If it is radically new. The eternal memory of the dead and their best monument will be this product in a few years in service ....


      Do you know why the nuclear bomber project did not go?
      The management understood that a flying nuclear reactor, with all the "reliability" of aviation equipment, would sooner or later fall with the destruction and contamination of the territory.

      Why does the current leadership not understand this, that tests, operation, and aircraft with a dirty nuclear power plant are for the time being.
      The pitiful excuses of RFNC Director Kostyukov that this should not have happened - suggests that current designers still strive to satisfy their curiosity, not particularly paying attention to safety and a reference to Khariton - very pathetic, seeing the consequences of an unsuccessful test.

      I believe that it is a criminal negligence to conduct tests without taking into account all the possible consequences of radioactive contamination of the area, the water area, especially the death of test participants - CRIMINAL negligence or incompetence of persons who gave permission to conduct tests and did not provide security measures for participants and the public!
      Who will answer? Where is the landing ?!

      The families of the dead and irradiated will get off with rewards and miserable handouts - families need a father, not a memorial plaque and a medal in a box!
  15. Nikolai 12 August 2019 11: 30 New
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    “I would now write in a completely different way and much more clearly - it was, with a 90% probability, the KR 9M730 Petrel engine on it itself”
    Where are the facts?
  16. Old26 12 August 2019 11: 49 New
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    This suggests that at that time it was clearly not heavy hypersonic anti-ship missiles flying, which is capable of flying at both low and high altitudes, but something else

    That says that the author "reported". You can find out since when is a hypersonic rocket capable of flying at low altitudes? Does the author even know approximately the surface temperature at the same speed in 5M and 10M in dense layers of the atmosphere? At heights of 11 to 20 km, at least?

    Variants of what happened - the mass

    That's for sure. And everything becomes fortune-telling on coffee grounds. Offhand you can cite a number of examples that could explode
    1. Experienced a new PLUR
    2. They tested the next version of the Sineva SLBM, the so-called SLBM "Leader"
    3. Tested "Zircon"
    4. Experienced a new, newly developed "mineral", the project of which was evolutionary in relation to "Zircon"
    5. Experienced a new, newly developed "mineral", the project of which was revolutionary in relation to "Zircon"
    6. They tested the Burevestnik missile, although it is not clear why not at the NZ.
    7. Experienced a new RCC with an unknown name ....
    Who is bigger?
    1. Vadim237 12 August 2019 12: 35 New
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      Model of a hypersonic aircraft at a speed of M 7 altitude 10 kilometers
    2. Nikolai 12 August 2019 12: 35 New
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      The author clearly wants us to catch together "Petrel", "Petrel"! And for this leads a variety of factual material. Writes to create a panic?
      1. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 14: 37 New
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        Show me where I panic or raise a panic, please. Am I writing something about a dreadful radioactive contamination that is not there? Or urge the program to close? Or am I writing that now we can’t see the KR with unlimited range with YAPRD, like our ears without a mirror? No panic. The program will not be closed, everything will be in order. These people, in this case, lived not in vain and died for good reason.
    3. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 14: 41 New
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      Do you know the height profile 3M22? Why did you decide that she has only high-altitude motor hypersound? We don’t know anything about her profile. It can probably be combined. Now, according to your versions, this is not SLBMs, according to the NOTAM that has surfaced, this is visible. There to New Earth. And not PLUR, of course. And not Zircon. But here it could be something SIMILAR to the Petrel, or from among him - but not himself, that’s possible. It’s just that these days a number of versions have disappeared.
  17. ua1osm 12 August 2019 12: 49 New
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    The explosion was well shot on many cameras and DVRs, obviously - the best pictures were taken from the highway in the Rikashiha area, the place is high there, and then the lowland to Severodvinsk. Judging by a column of fire about 500 m high, apparently many kilometers away, the equivalent of 5 to 10 tons of TNT exploded there, this is a decent charger. If it exploded in the form of active waste at Serebryanka, then there wouldn’t be much left of it, the British drowned Hitler’s battleships Admiral Scheer and Tirpitz with such bombs. What are the satellites reporting? Or did the CIA also classify them on a call from the Kremlin?
    1. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 14: 43 New
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      Where are these videos? Share it?
  18. Klim chugunkin 12 August 2019 15: 26 New
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    The current situation is very reminiscent of a series of accidents in the early 60s - the Nedelin Disaster, accidents on K-8, K-19, etc. In conditions of international tension, work on new weapons was progressing at an accelerated pace, which inevitably led to accidents ...

    Eternal Memory to the Heroes of the Cold War!
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      Totally agree with you.
      Good memory to the Testers and sincere condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues.

      PS And I would like more transparency from the authorities regarding environmental consequences (so as not to generate rumors and not have to learn from the “voices” what happened to us).
    2. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 19: 28 New
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      In my opinion, you are right, and not quite. The big accident rate of those years was because there was more experience, neither in development, nor in test methods, nor in materials and other things. Storming and "Homeland said NADO" - this too. There was such a time. As for the current story, the topic of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons is one of the most underdeveloped. Perhaps that’s why it is not so easy. Although it’s just not going at all. If not from the couch to watch. But the fact that we are now making a considerable breakthrough in technology and for a limited time is. And this inevitably leaves its mark. Then I agree with you.
  19. Flatter 12 August 2019 16: 28 New
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    The engine for Poseidon is also nuclear.
    1. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 19: 23 New
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      But this is completely different and is not tested there and otherwise. On Poseidon, the reactor, somewhere even flashed schemes of his, so to speak, civilian counterpart. This is a much more developed topic and less technically risky. IMO.
  20. karabass 12 August 2019 18: 36 New
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    And YOU, dear author, do not know by chance, WHY did you experience such a dangerous product near settlements? Could it be BETTER on New Earth? And iodine would not be picked up from pharmacies, and there would be no scandal, and all sorts of borozopists would not come out of all the cracks?
    1. Vadim237 12 August 2019 19: 04 New
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      Probably to haul equipment to the new land, people are problematic and costly - so they decided to save.
    2. Yar_Vyatkin 12 August 2019 19: 16 New
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      I do not know. But I can assume. Judging by the identical structures visible in the pictures, its components are tested in three places. KapYar, Novaya Zemlya and Nenoksa to Novaya Zemlya. In the first place, clearly non-nuclear prototypes, this would be logical. Probably the most dangerous stages in the NZ. And Nenox - well, this is a rocket range and there is a complete set of control and other equipment that might simply not be on the NZ and build it there too - is expensive or very difficult. Or long, and time is expensive.
  21. bbtcs 12 August 2019 18: 52 New
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    A bayonet to the ground! Peace to the world!

    These are slogans from the First World War. Three years in a smelly trench, then on the attack, the whole company fell, you alone are alive, but without legs. Will you continue to preach war?
    But there was one such that the war did not correct. And they poisoned him with gas, but he preached all militarism. Adolf Hitler / Schicklgruber was called. His laurels do not give you peace?
  22. Berkut24 12 August 2019 20: 37 New
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    In general, I agree with the author. What was actually not known soon, due to completely prosaic reasons. Librarians will find “irrefutable versions” of Putin’s guilt and his regime for a long time, and I think that’s enough to guess at the coffee grounds. Smart guys forge the shield of the country, honor to them, praise and our memory. I would say that does not happen to someone who does nothing. But in this case I’m lying, because Ukraine constantly proves the opposite.
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    because Ukraine constantly proves the opposite.

    And again, they kicked Ukraine. What for?
  24. Tests 12 August 2019 23: 31 New
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    Dear author, please, the name of the village is that Moscow is equal in age, write correctly: Nenoksa. The sky and the palate are similar, but there is ... Otherwise, with the cradle of the fleet in Russia - Voronezh and the point, on the "Military Review"! And I got warnings, a lot of minuses and not a single answer to the questions I posed in the comments. And there are no apologies either on the site or in a personal letter: neither about the years of the Admiralty’s foundation in Solombal in Arkhangelsk, nor about the first private shipyard in Russia in the village of Vavchuga by the merchants of the Bazhenins, nor about the first Russian ship “Orel”. About shipbuilding on Solovki and it is scary to stutter ...
    And there is an error in your text. The battlefield of a training ground on the White Sea, according to which submariners work with ballistics, is called by the name of the closest village - Chizha, not Chizhi. The rest of the White Sea battlefields have been closed for a long time - lionfish learned to fly far. Sincerely.
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    Just the same, Chernobyl is not canceled. it will happen in our liberal (and not "liberal") and in the Western media. It is strange that there is no appeal to the UN Security Council for an urgent meeting. The USA does not understand why it is not tied to a state of emergency with a violation of the moratorium on nuclear testing. The condition of their "shield" industrially requires the resumption of testing in Nevada. Time passed decently and it is not clear why there is still no wave. Although ... Rosatom employees became victims of the accident. This may just be incomprehensible to their experts. But in any case, such a modest reaction without official hitting is a bit surprising today.
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      This only confirms that nothing critically dangerous has happened there. If something nuclear had really shunned there, then the "light of democracy" would already bequeathed like a pig being slaughtered .....
  26. DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 10: 41 New
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    Rumors about the connection of radiation in Severodvinsk, which increased to extremely modest levels and by as much as 20-30 minutes, with tests of 9M730 or its components, in general, also do not fit, especially since the detected radioactive isotope was radon, and it is clearly not fits the definition of traces of nuclear destruction.


    In the White Sea limited fishing
    During the period from August 10 to October 10 in the White Sea along the coast of the Onega and Dvina bays (Arkhangelsk region) it is forbidden to use fish-harrowing, draining and stationary tools for fishing, the press service of the Kenozersky National Park reports.
  27. Whispering in the night 13 August 2019 10: 48 New
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    Quote: NEOZ
    Quote: bbtcs
    This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?

    saying “A” say “B”!
    and which television do you believe?

    Rain, apparently))
  28. DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 10: 55 New
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    Still, the author should give links to some sources from which he drew some information.
    Like Jeffrey Lewis
    https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1159617978641465344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2019%2F08%2F09%2Fserebryanka%2F
  29. Karislav 13 August 2019 11: 07 New
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    And what did they do there?
  30. Old26 13 August 2019 11: 16 New
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    Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
    Do you know the height profile 3M22? Why did you decide that she has only high-altitude motor hypersound? We don’t know anything about her profile. It can probably be combined. Now, according to your versions, this is not SLBMs, according to the NOTAM that has surfaced, this is visible. There to New Earth. And not PLUR, of course. And not Zircon. But here it could be something SIMILAR to the Petrel, or from among him - but not himself, that’s possible. It’s just that these days a number of versions have disappeared.

    Dear author! The flight profile of a hypersonic missile can only be high altitude. According to experts, the marching flight altitude of a hypersonic rocket with a ramjet should be about 40-45 km
    At altitudes of 11–25 km, an increase in case temperature is more than 1000 ° C at a speed of about 5,2 M and up to a temperature of about 4100 ° C at a speed of up to 10 M. The speed of "Zircon" in open sources "walks" from 6 to 8M. And at lower altitudes, which is really for the KR, flying at a low altitude speeds range from 1500 to 5490 ° C at speeds from 5 to 10M. How long does a hypersonic rocket fly at low altitude until it burns?

    As for the versions, it was written yesterday morning, when no one had said anything about NOTAM, and there was no interview with the head of the Center in Sarov. I sketched the options simply because it is a Navy training ground. Of course, no one will shoot at such a distance (as according to NOTAM), SLBMs, but for PLUR the distance is great. But a hypersonic missile, in principle, could have traveled about such a distance, and there it is on the order of a thousand kilometers

    And the truth is the truth. A number of versions over the past few years
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    Radon again? Very interesting! Remember the long history of radon infection in central Russia, where the infection was most likely, but as for its source, everyone just shrugged it off? It seems that we do have a nuclear ramjet with a decent level of pollution (when it does not explode, of course). That's the trick! Maybe cosmonautics is still possible for earthlings ?!
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      with radon infection in central Russia, where the infection was most likely


      Not radon - ruthenium.
      The high state commission (!) Authoritatively flinched off that it was a satellite (which no one had seen), and it was precisely from the Mayak nuclear plant that it crawled ...

      These authoritative commissions and the Ministry of Defense (which had no emissions) naively believe that someone else believes them ...

      They still don’t know how to say that an RTG explosion of such power - within a radius of 500 m, people will receive radiation doses that are not compatible with life.

      I am beginning to respect the leadership of the USSR, which stopped the development of such engines for aircraft.
      And what you need to be meager to allow such trials over your territory ...
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        One who does not go forward, that goes back. More precisely - falls. In our situation, all the more, it’s not Brezhnev’s “stagnation”, when for decades you could move slowly ...
        1. DimerVladimer 14 August 2019 09: 50 New
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          One who does not go forward, that goes back. More precisely - falls. In our situation, all the more, it’s not Brezhnev’s “stagnation”, when for decades you could move slowly ...


          90% of the weapons were created in the Brezhnev stagnation, some are still in service - ground-based ballistic missiles (Satan), UR-100 and sea-based ballistic missiles (blue) low-noise nuclear submarines, Tu-160, MiG-29, Su aircraft -27, Su-25, Mi-24 helicopters, the AK-74 rifle complex under a 5,45 mm low-pulse cartridge (adder), IS satellite fighters, T-64, T-72, T-80 main tanks, medium-range mobile missiles Pioneer (the USSR destroyed 1846 missile systems, the United States - 846 Pershing-2 systems) and many not yet named.
          It was under Brezhnev - we achieved parity in nuclear weapons with the United States.
          Under Brezhnev, the R&D reserve was created, which is being implemented in modern weapons of Russia.

          There was stagnation in the economy - there was a quantum leap in military technology.

          Remember the epic with the notorious Mace - and where is it? And when will it go into service? And where is the stagnation?

          Returning from China to Russia, I clearly see where stagnation and hopelessness are ...
          Our engineer receives half the amount of his Chinese counterpart.
          Putin's incompetent rule drove the economy into stagnation and led to impoverishment of the population.

          Familiar scientists come - there are promising designs for car pendants - nobody needs Russia - we have been fighting for decades in closed doors, help, maybe the Chinese will buy ...
          And at the same time we see how billions are stolen at various state programs ... It's a shame.
  32. Tests 13 August 2019 16: 51 New
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    August 08, 2019 showed, in my opinion, the incompetence of the leaders of my native Severodvinsk and, it seems, the current leaders of the Arkhangelsk region, especially those that receive budget money as if for "civil defense." Well, yes, they regularly spend money on checking sirens (which for some reason did not howl on 08.08.2019/08.08.2019/13) and a sound notification system (which was silent for some reason on 11/13/12) ... Today, almost like Julian Semenov: “TASS is authorized to declare” : FIRE IN THE TERRITORY OF THE MILITARY PART IN SEVERODVINSK 26 AUG, XNUMX: XNUMXUpdated XNUMX:XNUMX
    The level of radiation in Severodvinsk during an emergency briefly exceeded the background by 4-16 times MOSCOW, August 13. / TASS /. The radiation level in Severodvinsk during the incident at the military training ground on August 8 short-term exceeded the natural background values ​​at individual observation stations by 4-16 times. According to Roshydromet on Tuesday with reference to the Northern Administration for Hydrometeorology and Environmental Monitoring, after half an hour the levels dropped sharply again, and two hours later the situation returned to normal. "
    It’s interesting that the prosecutor’s office would move a little bit, or like with the employees of Zvyozdochka CS OJSC that they had become deceived equity holders in two residential complexes “Breeze” and “Brigantine” - until they reached the direct line, it’s clear with whom - the prosecutor’s “I don’t see anything, I don’t hear anything, I won’t tell anyone "? ... It's sad ...
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    I’m sure that experienced journalists in the editorial office signed what was needed on non-disclosure of secrets! And to those commentators who VERY WANTS to learn more about the tested product, I’ll say in Russian straight-FUCK IN YOU IN A BAG so that DRIEDIES DO NOT CAME!
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    So now with radiation ... Arranging dangerous tests near the base of the Navy is completely out of your head. What is now an obvious fact. Confirmed.