Landfill in the Arkhangelsk region. What could have exploded in Nenox?

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It’s worth mentioning right away that no one, including the author, has any specific information, and everyone who writes something on this topic, in general, is involved in speculating, speculating and filtering rumors, no matter what sources they refer to.

Landfill in the Arkhangelsk region. What could have exploded in Nenox?

Zone overlapping 15-20 July




Nenox training ground


So, the official statement states that “an emergency occurred at the training ground in the Arkhangelsk region” during the tests of the “liquid rocket engine”, which led to the death of two people and six more injuries. This landfill is called the 45 State Naval Testing Ground and it is located in Nenoks, 30 km from Severodvinsk. Nenoksa is a rather interesting place, where almost all the missiles that go into the Navy’s armament were carried out and are being tested: RCC, PLUR, SAM and even SLBMs. Their throwing launches were also carried out there in due time. There is information from various sources that the 3M22 Zircon hypersonic long-range heavy anti-ship missiles are now being tested there. Moreover, recently restrictions on flights and shipping (NOTAMs) from 15 to 20 of July were introduced in the area of ​​the training ground.


Nenox training ground


But, unlike typical "Zircon" bans, it was not narrow enough, but extended for hundreds and hundreds of kilometers, from Nenoksa to the Chizhi training ground (where there are falling fields, in particular for launches of SLBMs with SSBNs from the Red Banner Pacific fleet) and the prohibition zone that covers the heights, as was the case in NOTAM on July 2-4. It was a small zone, in the area of ​​the landfill, with altitudes from 0 to 1000 m. Which suggests that at that time it was clearly not a heavy hypersonic RCC that was capable of flying at both low and high altitudes, but something else wasn’t high-speed, not long-range, and perhaps then it was a matter of throwing the launch of a certain product or of the fact that it simply wrapped circles in the area of ​​the landfill. This time there were no warnings, probably flight tests for this day were not planned.

There is another version that Nenox is one of several places, along with the Kapustin Yar and Pankova Zemly Peninsula on Novaya Zemlya, where they test the components and prototypes of ground-based Raman missiles with unlimited range and the Petrel nuclear-powered jet engine (NAR), with the index presumably 9M730. This is evidenced by the tento-mobile arched shelters found on Google photos, found on Pankovaya Zemlya, where the Petrel was tested accurately (identified by video), and on KapYar, and there is such a thing on Nenoks. They are all the same size, approximately 17-19 m, and are located inside their launchers.






The test facility at the 45 test site, designed to test the new Kyrgyz Republic, according to the CIA. As well as tented arched shelters at the training ground on Novaya Zemlya and Nenoksa

Variants of what happened - the mass


So, what could really explode there? If you take officialdom literally, then you really can not exclude the explosion or fire of one of the liquid-propellant liquid-propelled rocket launchers, say, the P-29РМУ2.1 "Liner" or some other. But, on the other hand, these missiles have not been tested there for a long time - they do not need it. Maybe some kind of fire tests were carried out for some new version of the engine? Or throw throw of an upgraded SLBM? Hardly, but how the version can be accepted. This can also explain the presence of people in chemical, radiation and biosecurity facilities on personnel, where the wounded are transferred to an intensive care unit. The fuel for such missiles is UDMH - asymmetric dimethylhydrazine, an extremely toxic substance, and an oxidizing agent is no better there. This also explains the closure of the area for shipping for a month after an emergency - if some debris and fuel and an oxidizing agent get into the water, then the debris needs to be removed, and the poison needs time to disperse in the water.


Zone of overlapping access for shipping for a month, until September 10


The Zircon explosion version or its engine is not believed. No, of course, it is clear that any new, and especially such a breakthrough product, like 3М22, can not do without accidents during testing. But it is unlikely that the engine there belongs to liquid reactive ones, as well as the first, accelerating stage. It is known that their developer is the Perm NPO Iskra, and there they are working on solid-fuel engines.

It is possible that the accident happened when testing the engine or the non-nuclear prototype of the Petrel - a nuclear one would hardly be tested near Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk, for this there is Novaya Zemlya. Rumors about the connection of radiation in Severodvinsk, which has risen to extremely modest values ​​and for as long as 20-30 minutes, with the tests of 9M730 or its components, in general, also do not fit, especially since the detected radioactive isotope was radon, and it was clearly not fits the definition of traces of nuclear destruction. Radon emissions are most often of natural origin.

There is another version that the incident occurred on a certain ship. Indeed, in a published satellite image from August 8, in the sea, opposite the site of the test site, where 9М730 is supposedly tested, there were several ships and ships. For the most part, the AIS sensor was disabled, but one was still recognized. And this ship was the Serebryanka special tanker, a small ship 102 m long and 1625 t deadweight, designed to service nuclear icebreakers and collect liquid radioactive waste. Why there was "Serebryanka" is unknown. A fire on such a ship can be a source of trouble, I would not want just such a scenario.




Serebryanka special vessel and its location in a satellite image from August 8 in the Nenoksa area


Other versions of what happened are also possible.

Chernobyl is canceled


Silence on this topic from the RF Ministry of Defense gave rise to another “influx” of various kinds of “alarmist experts” and simply hysteria that we have, in the West, frightening townsfolk with almost new Chernobyl in Nenoks. The benefit of the HBO anti-Soviet series was recently, the western man still did not forget the word Chernobyl, and you can scare him. However, we also have enough clever people who advise residents of Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk to drink iodine, although there is no reason for this. Which, by the way, can lead to poisoning, in such cases they drink iodine preparations, and not iodine itself - let the authors of such rumors drink iodine, in vials, without diluting them. Perhaps it was dishonest drug dealers who had fussed around, or else a lot of iodine had accumulated?

Unfortunately, the theme of the Nenox training ground itself does not imply openness in covering events at it. As well as the recent accident at the GUGI AGS, official information is extremely stingy and gives a lot of room for fiction, which many use. The real scenario of an emergency at Nenoks can be quite different, with breakthrough products that are not connected in any way and very prosaic. But it is unlikely that we will reliably know something in the near future, although the informational “roll” will only grow.
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  1. +10
    12 August 2019 05: 37
    Already confirmed the death of 5 Rosatom specialists. Excerpts to their loved ones
    1. +6
      12 August 2019 05: 59
      Tahtvjd2868 (Edward) Today, 05: 37 NEW
      0
      Already confirmed the death of 5 Rosatom specialists. Excerpts to their loved ones

      I support and believe that the article is at least not relevant in terms of official facts announced by Rosatom.
      1. +14
        12 August 2019 11: 55
        But it is very relevant in terms of illustrating the constant lies with which they cover the systemic crisis in all areas and the country as a whole.
        1. +14
          12 August 2019 14: 24
          Quote: Nestorych
          But it is very relevant in terms of illustrating the constant lies with which they cover the systemic crisis in all areas and the country as a whole.

          If explosions during tests are symptoms of a systemic crisis, then all of humanity is constantly living in a systemic crisis.
          The engines of missiles and missiles as a whole during tests continually explode always and everywhere - regardless of order and order in the country. Remember at least N-1 or Saturn-5.
          1. -1
            14 August 2019 07: 15
            There is a difference. N-1 exploded in Baikonur. Moreover, a non-nuclear engine. And here it is possible nuclear and in populated areas. Want a second Chernobyl7
        2. -1
          13 August 2019 11: 09
          How is your gas price?
          1. +2
            13 August 2019 21: 14
            dropped 25%
        3. +1
          13 August 2019 12: 01
          What a deep thought - yes, with technology, you always need to be "YOU", but even this does not exclude problems during operation and even more so during testing! Well, it was clearly not kerogas that exploded, but something else - who knows who they know and the rest - you know less, you sleep better!
        4. 0
          13 August 2019 13: 45
          This song is good, start over. Come on, for the "evil GDP" who has not yet spoken out?
          1. -1
            15 August 2019 13: 02
            So far, only you.
            1. -2
              16 August 2019 12: 07
              You read the post of Nestorych above, and then indicate.
              1. -1
                15 October 2019 05: 11
                read, no there about ,, evil GDP ,,. And where did I point you?
  2. +2
    12 August 2019 05: 42
    Bottom line: the banner exploded where nothing is known. There is no danger to the population. We are waiting for new versions.
    1. +1
      12 August 2019 21: 55
      U.S. intelligence version voiced about tragedy near Severodvinsk
      https://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/515630-ozvuchena-versiya-razvedki-ssha-o-tragedii-pod-severodvinskom.html
  3. +5
    12 August 2019 05: 57
    Variants of what happened - the mass

    So, what could really explode there?

    And what are these "options" for ?! Why are such fortune-tellers on the part of the author ?! Today on TV, Rosatom explained the cause of the explosion. The names and positions of five dead employees were announced. My condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. -9
      12 August 2019 07: 20
      This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?
      1. -13
        12 August 2019 07: 52
        these are the people of the habat ... the nightingale advertises it and does not hide it .. skobeeva young beautiful fool does not understand who she works for "in the bottom line"
        1. -11
          12 August 2019 08: 14
          I don't know what a hubat is. I suspect that the word is Muslim. And the "journalists" know everything well. They are servants and actors. Moreover, it is the actresses, incomparably worse than the same Ulyanov! It's nice to look at him, but Solovyov is not. Not at all!
          Everything that Skobeev works for is also clear. At the Kremlin rating, among the not very smart. For that, and beauty. One thing is not clear. Here on the site they like to say that people do not decide anything. And why did they push him to harass? Well, they would not say anything.
          And what is the dry residue - I do not know.
          1. 0
            12 August 2019 10: 53
            Chabad is a Judeo-Nazi ultra-orthodox sect, also known as the Chabad-Lubavitch movement.
            ...
            Chabadniks actively oppose the process of Jewish assimilation and are fanatical fighters for purity of blood. The basic principle of the fascist ideology of the sect is the following: "Jews are above everything, and Chabad is above Jews."
      2. +3
        12 August 2019 10: 32
        Quote: bbtcs
        This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?

        saying "A" say "B"!
        and which television do you believe?
      3. +3
        13 August 2019 12: 06
        What are you - only US intelligence or ...!
      4. 0
        17 August 2019 21: 13
        Well of course you believe that:
        https://news.rambler.ru/world/42677927-afrikantsy-priznalis-vo-lzhi-o-rossiyanah-v-tsar-dlya-filma-cnn/
        These truths are told ... Besides double standards, nothing more ???
    2. +1
      12 August 2019 11: 30
      Quote: aszzz888
      Rosatom explained the cause of the explosion.

      The truth (its own truth) about the explosion was posted by Echo of Moscow (https://echo.msk.ru/news/2481195-echo.html). The headline is: "Five Rosatom employees died last week due to the explosion of a small nuclear reactor." And then there suddenly follows: "there was an explosion of a rocket with radioisotope power sources." In general, it clearly smelled of the notorious oscilloscope arrows, either from Latynina, or from her fellows in the fake comets workshop - and fake comets are amazingly cheap. Inevitably, a thought creeps in: maybe they are being held on purpose to discredit the liberal movement as a whole? Is it possible that so many patients of the Kanatchikova dacha can gather in one place and spontaneously, who equate the reactor and the isotope source, and even shamelessly refer to the scientific director of the Federal Nuclear Center in Sarov? Or am I missing something?
      1. +2
        13 August 2019 12: 10
        We are waiting for the patients of Kanatchikova dacha to publish the truth (their truth) about the explosion and decide where the editorial office of Echo of Moscow is!
        1. jjj
          -2
          13 August 2019 13: 45
          We have developed a new type of reactor, which makes it possible to immediately receive electrical energy at the outlet during the fission process. The dimensions are very small. The energy yield is much higher than that of the traditional "atomic batteries" used in lighthouses in remote places. In fact, it is a "battery reactor"
          1. +1
            13 August 2019 19: 02
            Are you not mistaken? In the process of fission, only fission products are formed: nuclei, neutrons, radiation. Most of them get stuck in the fissile material itself, the cladding of the fuel elements and the moderator - and give them energy, releasing heat. You can, of course, convert the energy of gamma rays or beta rays into electricity using semiconductor converters (as they do in some isotopic "batteries") - only the efficiency of such a conversion is negligible, and the semiconductor panel inside the reactor will not last long. It is possible to drive a stream of gas heated to a plasma state in the working zone of the reactor, and then drive the plasma into an MHD generator - but this is technically more difficult than the traditional use of a turbine, and no better. It is possible to convert heat into electricity without any mechanics, using thermoelectric converters - but this, again, with an efficiency factor worse than that of a turbine, and the installation is heavier and more complicated than a conventional RTG. Maybe you are confusing with an RTG? Will you throw a link to the source?
            1. jjj
              0
              14 August 2019 13: 11
              This was told by Mikhail Kovalchuk about six months ago on TV
              1. +1
                14 August 2019 17: 40
                Kovalchuk is still a talker. His business is crystallography, not nuclear physics. And are you sure you got it right? Are you a techie?
          2. +1
            14 August 2019 07: 17
            Be silent! You betrayed a state secret. Wait now when the FSB knocks on you
  4. +5
    12 August 2019 06: 09
    Variants of what happened - the mass
    ... When there are a lot of options, it’s called casting a shadow on the fence ... like OBS ...
  5. +8
    12 August 2019 06: 21
    Well, the "omnipresent" and "omniscient" "Ukrainian intelligence" has already posted a number of interesting photos, which suggest that they were more afraid of chemical poisoning, in contact with the same heptyl or its vapors, than radiation


    1. -7
      12 August 2019 07: 18
      Nekhay spread, and we'll see.
  6. -31
    12 August 2019 07: 29
    And I even do not care what exploded there. Petrel abomination, I do not need. It would be better to prepare a nuclear power plant for flights to Mars and Jupiter. But the main thing is not even that the lofty, peaceful cosmos is not of interest to such as Cote Manul and other herdsmen. The main thing is the love of secrets. Those who, in commandership, go out and are proud and proud that I know, but you, you know nothing, and I spit on you! Moreover, at our own expense, because his boars are produced due to the fact that this type was eaten from our national plate. But there are other strange people on the site. who scream that these secrets are blowing their brains. Like - it’s bad, I carry it in myself, I don’t sleep at night, I get over it, I suffer for my Motherland! I tell them - reject the dirty, do not serve! No, they continue to tear their brains, indulge in masochism.
    And to the families of the victims - my condolences.
    Now, if only they were civilians, did not serve the milter, it would be better.
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 10: 06
      A bayonet to the ground! Peace to the world! The soldier is demobilized! Hug under a colorful rainbow a symbol of homosexuals and lesbians! Let's go through the thousands of gay parade on Red Square! Gay! Gay! Gay! ! Hooray!!!
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. +2
        12 August 2019 17: 17
        Hug under a multi-colored rainbow gay symbol

        Gay! Gay! Gay! !


        Milman, leave your fantasies and projections to yourself.
        1. +1
          12 August 2019 21: 55
          wink Irony and sarcasm .. Here is what is present in my quote .. drinks
      3. -1
        12 August 2019 18: 47
        I will answer by quoting.
    2. +7
      12 August 2019 11: 36
      Decent position. The only question is - why should you then sit on our militaristic website? what
      At the entrance they warn that the observation is purely military.
      1. -3
        12 August 2019 19: 13
        Wow, purely military! When "Horse, Dulelyub and Ludoveed" talks about small arms, it is military. And when Ukraine and America are hated, what is military in that?
        And I have nothing against the military theme. She's very interesting. Especially historical. A bayonet is needed. But of moderate length. Armored personnel carriers, howitzers, machine guns - quietly, modestly, culturally, yelling only at training grounds, not at each other. Not proud that you know evil, knowing that it is evil. Do not repeat their cries for "60 minutes". Do not follow the lead of Skabeeva and Kiselev. Do not rob people. New boots - good. The dining room is clean - good. The new armored personnel carrier is excellent. Why Stormy? Why a rocket when children are being treated for money, and adults as well? SMS-kami are collected. Reject the robbery of the military-industrial complex. Reduce spending. If you can't shorten it, say it's an abomination, be an honest Russian person. Remember the old song:

        If the guys of the whole Earth,
        They brought their oath to the world!
        That would be great in a company like that!
        And then to the moon, then give a hand!

        Here! And so, well, you are no different from McCain and Turchinov. The same "patriots". And this is me saying from the ceiling. I have not read either McCain or Turchinov, I rely only on your comments. What if they are the most honest and kindest people laughing
        I again express my condolences on the death of scientists. it is unfortunate that the minds are dying. And it is a pity that the minds direct their activities to destructive or unprotected purposes.
        1. +12
          13 August 2019 10: 32
          Quote: bbtcs
          New boots - good. The dining room is clean - good. BTR new - excellent. But why is a stormburder? Why a rocket when children are being treated for money, and even adults?

          Then, so as not to be like this:

          Alas, all international law rests on the right of force. And only the threat of inevitable retaliation saves the hegemon from a radical solution to his domestic political and economic problems: Do you have any hydrocarbons? You do not want us to mine them? Then democracy flies to you! or Our president is on the verge of impeachment! Urgently need to bomb someone!
          Quote: bbtcs
          If the guys of the whole Earth,
          They brought their oath to the world!
          That would be great in a company like that!
          And then to the moon, then give a hand!

          Right. But the key word is the whole earth. All. And you are calling for unilateral disarmament.
          We have already gone through this. At first we were patted on the shoulder - Guud, Michael, Guud... and then suddenly it turned out that access to the foreign market needed Khan's shortcut. And all the most delicious pieces are redistributed without us. And let the Russian bear sit in the den and advertise pizza.
          There is no pure economy outside politics. These are the myths of liberal economists of the 90s. In practice, the activities of private corporations outside the state are supported by state structures. And the stronger the state is, the larger a piece of the pie will be seized by its corporations and the higher will be their profit. And the higher the profit, the (ideally) the higher the amount of taxes collected.
          Actually, President Trump is now showing us a good example of the intervention of a strong state in the "free market", who in every possible way promotes American LNG to the European market, while the soul of a competitor is by economic and political sanctions.
      2. +2
        13 August 2019 11: 03
        Quote: toha124
        At the entrance they warn that the observation is purely military.


        Yeah - especially to honor Samsonov - that’s not the story there, but the battle of the Rus with the masters of the West from the Cretaceous period. Clinic.
    3. 0
      12 August 2019 12: 14
      Since Mars and Jupiter in Rosatom, since 2010 they have been creating a nuclear power generation reactor to provide spacecraft power and operation of plasma engines.
      1. 0
        12 August 2019 12: 50
        A non-liquid multiple-launch rocket engine with pre-evaporation of components by heating? In such a scheme, a nuclear battery would be very appropriate.
        1. +1
          13 August 2019 11: 09
          Quote: Herrr
          A non-liquid multiple-launch rocket engine with pre-evaporation of components by heating? In such a scheme, a nuclear battery would be very appropriate.


          And the combustion chamber, cooled by components, what did not please? Thermal calculation - it is necessary in liquid form, it is necessary - here in gaseous form, adjusting the volume of the cooling switch and the volume of the pumped component
          1. 0
            13 August 2019 12: 26
            Yes, I was simply interested in the moment of the repeated (very cold) launch of the heptyl-amyl LRE in a long flight (after a very long break in work).)
      2. +2
        12 August 2019 18: 57
        If the money, training grounds and scientists who spend on the Petrel were redirected to space, good work would go faster.
    4. +2
      13 August 2019 12: 17
      It would be better to prepare a nuclear power plant for flights to Mars and Jupiter - or maybe let's buy plywood for all this money, build an EROPLAN, and fly away - to hell! - from this, his mother, a collective farm !!!
  7. +2
    12 August 2019 07: 53
    and what do the Scandinavian ecologists say ???
  8. +6
    12 August 2019 08: 35
    I liked the article, an interesting analysis of the variants of what happened, without mentioning any liberals and agents of the State Department. Unlike yesterday, where the author Volodin, smashed to smithereens Latynina, who wrote about the same "Petrel" ... well, the enthusiastic audience rushed to discuss the mental and physical abilities of this madam ... in general, the hype was a success, but actually on the topic , nothing was said
  9. +7
    12 August 2019 08: 49
    ,,, here is yesterday’s comment by V.O.

    Testov (Eugene) Yesterday, 22: 09

    +4
    In Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk did not find excess radiation background
    Dear visitors to Voennoye Obozreniye, I am a Severodvinets. The RF Ministry of Defense is silent and, it seems, will remain silent for a long time. The day before yesterday, the special officers woke up: both the military and civilian specialists were given a subscription to sign. True, they forgot that "Sevmash" and "Zvezdochka" are equipped with an automatic warning system. After it was triggered, the cars of the departments of the NRS (Department of Nuclear and Radiation Safety) drove to the established points of the factories and the specialists of the NRS took control measurements of the radiation level. The excess was many times over. In factories, not everyone has the right to carry mobile phones, but there was a flurry of calls to the city. The head of the civil defense department in the Administration of Severodvinsk, who issued at 14 hours 23 minutes. message, Valentin Magomedov, served a lot at the Nyonoks test site. On August 08, I quoted that message on the site of "V.O." in comments. Amazing began in the evening of August 08, as the governor of the region Orlov visited Severodvinsk. The message is gone. The people vividly discussed this in Severodvinsklife VKontakte and on the "Belomorkanal". The wounded were sent to Moscow to the FMBA by servicemen in gas masks and OZK. They say that in Moscow the "ambulance" with the victims was filmed "packed" with film. About the weather. Until about 16 o'clock on 08.08.19 the wind was in the south-east in Severodvinsk. Somewhere in the swamps beyond the Solza River, he faced a northwesterly wind from Nyonoksa. Then rain came from Pertominsk through Nyonoksa to Severodvinsk, bringing with it a northwest wind. The current in the White Sea from Sopka (the test site of the test site), Nyonoksa itself stands on the river, about 1,5 km from the sea, goes east to Severodvinsk. Somewhere near the river Solza turns northeast from the coast - the Northern Dvina squeezes out, but with strong tides and winds from the northwest and from the north it goes almost to Rikasikha and Chubol - Navolok in the Dvina delta. As it was 08.08.19 it is necessary to clarify with the hydrologists.
    Why the people were not notified - it is necessary for the prosecutor to interrogate all officials of Severodvinsk and factories with partiality. Would there be panic? I think no. Too often there were emergency situations with radiation in Severodvinsk. Evacuation drills were carried out at both military and civilian facilities in factories and in the city. Yes, the Ministry of Emergency Situations was not allowed to enter Nyonoksa ... Many in the city remember Kursk and the answer with a smile to the question of a reporter from Italy: "She drowned" ... On August 15, they initially spoke of two dead civilian specialists and XNUMX wounded ... Condolences to the relatives of the victims and the recovery of the injured ...
    1. +1
      12 August 2019 20: 25
      Quote: bubalik
      , here is yesterday’s comment by V.O.

      For some reason, I want to believe this comrade. Because an eyewitness described the work style of the Soviet (Russian) authorities. The authorities first concealed the real situation. Then they began to pull the owl on the globe ... about radon and stuff.
      1. jjj
        +1
        13 August 2019 13: 52
        And on August 10, the rain passed over Sakharov Square in the capital of our Motherland ...
  10. -1
    12 August 2019 08: 51
    "Don't go to a fortune-teller!" - so, let's not go!
  11. -7
    12 August 2019 09: 25
    Once again, The bright memory of the dead! It can be stated once again that don’t jump until you jump. Statements about hyperspeed missiles are fairy tales for children, because adults understand that everything is determined by technology and scientific theoretical knowledge. The tragedy that occurred is a perfectly logical and not the last case. There is no need to guess the little things. It is completely obvious that the method of working with unstable substances from which high energies can be released during their transformation and used to accelerate missiles is completely inapplicable. And this was said a thousand times. It is necessary to use procedural mechanisms for obtaining and extracting high energies, including from radioactive materials. Therefore, the technology itself and the nuclear reactor must be of a completely new kind and principle of operation, which has been discussed a lot.
    1. +1
      12 August 2019 20: 30
      Quote: gridasov
      It is necessary to use procedural mechanisms for obtaining and extracting high energies

      What is a "procedural mechanism"?
      Where does it talk about a fundamentally new nuclear reactor, and even a lot? Sound the original sources, I would like to read.
      1. 0
        12 August 2019 21: 23
        A new kind of reactor should not be with radioactive material in a static state, but in a dynamic one. That is, the parts of the turbine represented simultaneously by the surfaces of the fluid flow and being either radioactive material or weakly radioactive will not only manifest their radioactive properties radially, but will concentrate it linearly. This design allows both the reactor and the turbine and generator to be used simultaneously in one monoblock, since the voltage on the stator can be removed from a radioactive material of a certain shape. All potential capabilities of such reactors will be concentrated in two key parameters - the radius of the rotor and the speed of rotation. Of course, I superficially described only the main principles of such a device. It is of course necessary to add that such a device can work both in an open process connected with the external environment and in a closed process and isolated and without oxygen or air. Such a power plant opens up incredible opportunities for engineers in the sense that it allows you to combine the parameters of various substances in their state of aggregation. If, for example, we interpret iron as just a substance in its solid state of use, then the device allows us to consider the new properties of iron with respect to the highly dynamic outflow of any liquids or gases relative to it, which ionize the material and allow it to create high voltages and currents of one direction in it. Of course, the turbine itself, by the principle, is slightly different and more progressive and efficient. To the same reason, the new design allows one to realize the key properties of both detonation and ion engines. In this case, I repeat once again that the radioactivity of the materials does not just warm the coolant, but uses the ionizing ability of a liquid or gases to create voltage and currents in the surface of the outflow from these materials, which significantly enhances the effects. Therefore, the procedural mechanisms must be supplemented by active and dynamic processes.
        1. +1
          12 August 2019 21: 51
          In general, if someone understands what is at stake, they should understand that, among other things, the problem of transforming energy from one process to another has been solved in a new way. Namely, these processes are minimized and combined into one device. Moreover, if until now we often talk about a list of applicable methods that allow the use of certain properties of materials and substances, then we expand this list to incredibly new perspectives. Namely, we can carry out studies of any substances for a wide variety of dynamic processes, which is extremely important in achieving hyper speeds. In addition, these studies can simply be transferred to Earth and in the laboratory.
          1. +3
            13 August 2019 12: 32
            Quote: gridasov
            to carry out
            AI gridasov updated. In the update, the cherry on the cake - the introduction of distortion / replacement of letters in words, copying the handwriting of living people, such as to carry out / implement.
            1. +1
              13 August 2019 12: 36
              But with women I like to talk about life, about physics. They have a peculiar idea and very useful about the laws of processes.
        2. 0
          14 August 2019 07: 25
          Well in vain revealed all future secrets to the Americans. Now they are definitely the first to make such an apparatus. Moreover, in terms of microelectronics, they are ahead of the rest
          1. 0
            14 August 2019 10: 00
            Well, you don’t have to worry about this. Americans, however, like others think in Stirling categories, static constructions and low-potential processes. We are talking about high-potential physical processes and the analysis information for such processes is also different. Therefore, you just need to think accordingly. Moreover, if the censor evaluated what was said, then he should not have missed the information. And if he did, then this would be an assessment of his professionalism and qualifications. Moreover, I write in what language?
  12. +1
    12 August 2019 09: 58
    The official statement of the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics (RFNC-VNIIEF)

  13. +2
    12 August 2019 10: 24
    Today is the anniversary of the Kursk sinking. Let's remember
    1. 0
      14 August 2019 07: 27
      Who else remembers the catch phrase - did it drown? And the people chose its author for another 6 years of a comfortable presidency. Russians have no memory and they deserve only such a president.
  14. +12
    12 August 2019 11: 07
    The article was written in hot pursuit and, having been on moderation for a long time, would now write in a completely different way and much more unambiguously - this, with a 90% probability, was the KR 9M730 Petrel engine on it. It was called "liquid" and "radioisotope power source". The personalities of the victims and much more speak in favor of this. The rest of the interest will be left to the fact that it could be a different product based on the same principle of movement. About which nothing is known yet.

    This accident will not stop work on the Petrels, although it may slow down. New - it always makes its way hard. If it is radically new. The eternal memory of the dead and their best monument will be this product in a few years in service ....
    1. +2
      12 August 2019 12: 19
      I am of the same opinion, and a new liquid rocket with heptyl is to be walked around in your ears to justify the presence at the accident site of the RCBF and ships of the collection of radioactive waste.
      1. 0
        12 August 2019 12: 28
        What happened in 1985 in Chizhma Bay
        "The axis of radioactive fallout crossed the Danube Peninsula in a north-western direction and reached the sea on the coast of the Ussuri Bay. The length of the plume on the peninsula was 5,5 km (further aerosol particles fell onto the surface of the water area up to 30 km from the place of release).

        As a result of the accident, a center of radioactive contamination of the bottom of the Chazhma Bay water area was formed. The area of ​​intense radioactive contamination was concentrated in the accident area and within the limits of the exposure dose rate (DER)> 240 μR / h occupies an area of ​​about 100 m000. In the central part of the focus, the DER is 20-40 mR / h (maximum 117 mR / h as of 1992). Under the influence of currents, radioactive contamination gradually moved towards the outlet from the Chazhma Bay. The radioactivity of bottom sediments is mainly due to cobalt-60 (the contribution to pollution is 96-99%, the half-life of cobalt-60 is approximately 5,27 years) and partly from cesium-137. "- In this case, the whole reactor was blown out by the nuclear submarine.
        1. +1
          12 August 2019 19: 43
          hmm Chazhma cool))). no one has voiced the truth anywhere. I was still a kid when we went there every year for winter fishing from the ice of Pts deep about 30 meters. a few thousand people from the Find of Vladik. everyone catches and discusses how many kilometers that cover from the reactor flew away))) ...
          in Fokino (Texas) there is a place nearby PavlOvsk there is a base of atomic boats - I didn’t work as a civilian there for a short time (subscription not to leave the city for 5 years, etc.). oh, I've seen enough of it .. allocate a budget for burial of heavy water sealed in barrels to a concrete burial ground with an excavator - they take out the barrels in tow and shoot them with a machine gun and the depth there is 200 meters and the entire adjacent sea area is closed to civilians and greens ... right now I read the article I recall and pretend to be reality ...
    2. +3
      13 August 2019 11: 27
      Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
      This accident will not stop work on the Petrels, although it may slow down. New - it always makes its way hard. If it is radically new. The eternal memory of the dead and their best monument will be this product in a few years in service ....


      Do you know why the nuclear bomber project did not go?
      The management understood that the flying nuclear reactor, with all the "reliability" of aviation equipment, would sooner or later fall with destruction and contamination of the territory.

      Why does the current leadership not understand this, that tests, operation, and aircraft with a dirty nuclear power plant are for the time being.
      The pitiful excuses of RFNC Director Kostyukov that this should not have happened - suggests that current designers still strive to satisfy their curiosity, not particularly paying attention to safety and a reference to Khariton - very pathetic, seeing the consequences of an unsuccessful test.

      I believe that it is a criminal negligence to conduct tests without taking into account all the possible consequences of radioactive contamination of the area, the water area, especially the death of test participants - CRIMINAL negligence or incompetence of persons who gave permission to conduct tests and did not provide security measures for participants and the public!
      Who will answer? Where is the landing ?!

      The families of the dead and irradiated will get off with rewards and miserable handouts - families need a father, not a memorial plaque and a medal in a box!
  15. -3
    12 August 2019 11: 30
    "now I would write quite differently and much more unambiguously - this, with a 90% probability, was the KR 9M730 Petrel engine on it itself"
    Where are the facts?
  16. +3
    12 August 2019 11: 49
    This suggests that at that time it was clearly not heavy hypersonic anti-ship missiles flying, which is capable of flying at both low and high altitudes, but something else

    Which says that the author "reported it". Can you find out since when is a hypersonic missile capable of flying at low altitudes? Does the author at least roughly know the surface temperature at the same speed of 5M and 10M in dense layers of the atmosphere? At heights from 11 to 20 km, at least?

    Variants of what happened - the mass

    That's for sure. And everything becomes fortune-telling on coffee grounds. Offhand you can cite a number of examples that could explode
    1. Experienced a new PLUR
    2. Experienced the next version of the SLBM "Sineva", the so-called. SLBM "Leader"
    3. Experienced "Zircon"
    4. They tested a new, newly developed "mineral", the project of which was evolutionary in relation to "Zircon"
    5. Tested a new, newly developed "mineral", the project of which was revolutionary in relation to "Zircon"
    6. We tested the Burevestnik rocket, although it is not clear why not on the NZ.
    7. Experienced a new RCC with an unknown name ....
    Who is bigger?
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 12: 35
      Model of a hypersonic aircraft at a speed of M 7 altitude 10 kilometers
    2. -5
      12 August 2019 12: 35
      The author clearly wants us to pick up "Petrel", "Petrel" together! And for this he gives a variety of factual material. Writing to create panic?
      1. +7
        12 August 2019 14: 37
        Show me where I panic or raise a panic, please. Am I writing something about a dreadful radioactive contamination that is not there? Or urge the program to close? Or am I writing that now we can’t see the KR with unlimited range with YAPRD, like our ears without a mirror? No panic. The program will not be closed, everything will be in order. These people, in this case, lived not in vain and died for good reason.
    3. +4
      12 August 2019 14: 41
      Do you know the height profile 3M22? Why did you decide that she has only high-altitude motor hypersound? We don’t know anything about her profile. It can probably be combined. Now, according to your versions, this is not SLBMs, according to the NOTAM that has surfaced, this is visible. There to New Earth. And not PLUR, of course. And not Zircon. But here it could be something SIMILAR to the Petrel, or from among him - but not himself, that’s possible. It’s just that these days a number of versions have disappeared.
  17. +4
    12 August 2019 12: 49
    On very many cameras and car registrars, the explosion was well captured, obviously - the best pictures were taken from the highway in the Rikasikha area, the place there is high, and then - the lowland to Severodvinsk. Judging by the fire column about 500 m high, apparently for many kilometers, the equivalent of 5 to 10 tons of TNT exploded there, this is a decent charge. If it exploded in the form of active waste on the "Serebryanka", then little would have remained of it, the British sank the Hitlerite battleships "Admiral Scheer" and "Tirpitz" with such bombs. What are the satellites reporting? Or the CIA also classified them on a call from the Kremlin?
    1. +3
      12 August 2019 14: 43
      Where are these videos? Share it?
  18. +2
    12 August 2019 15: 26
    The current situation is very reminiscent of a series of accidents in the early 60s - the Nedelin Disaster, accidents on K-8, K-19, etc. In conditions of international tension, work on new weapons was progressing at an accelerated pace, which inevitably led to accidents ...

    Eternal Memory to the Heroes of the Cold War!
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 16: 20
      Totally agree with you.
      Good memory to the Testers and sincere condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues.

      PS And we would like the authorities to be more transparent in terms of environmental consequences (so as not to breed rumors and not have to learn from the "voices" what happened with Us).
    2. +2
      12 August 2019 19: 28
      In my opinion, you are both right and not entirely. The high accident rate of those years was greater because there was no experience, neither in development, nor in test methods, nor in materials, and so on. Sturmovschina and "Motherland said it NECESSARY" - this is also. The time was like that. As for the current history, the topic of nuclear-powered rocket motors and nuclear-powered missiles is one of the most underdeveloped. Perhaps that is why it is so difficult. Although nothing goes at all. If not look from the couch. But the fact that we are now making a significant leap forward in technology and in a limited time is there. And this inevitably leaves its mark. Here I agree with you.
  19. 0
    12 August 2019 16: 28
    The engine for Poseidon is also nuclear.
    1. +1
      12 August 2019 19: 23
      But this is completely different and is not tested there and otherwise. On Poseidon, the reactor, somewhere even flashed schemes of his, so to speak, civilian counterpart. This is a much more developed topic and less technically risky. IMO.
  20. -1
    12 August 2019 18: 36
    And YOU, dear author, do not know by chance, WHY did you experience such a dangerous product near settlements? Could it be BETTER on New Earth? And iodine would not be picked up from pharmacies, and there would be no scandal, and all sorts of borozopists would not come out of all the cracks?
    1. -1
      12 August 2019 19: 04
      Probably to haul equipment to the new land, people are problematic and costly - so they decided to save.
    2. +3
      12 August 2019 19: 16
      I do not know. But I can assume. Judging by the identical structures visible in the pictures, its components are tested in three places. KapYar, Novaya Zemlya and Nenoksa to Novaya Zemlya. In the first place, clearly non-nuclear prototypes, this would be logical. Probably the most dangerous stages in the NZ. And Nenox - well, this is a rocket range and there is a complete set of control and other equipment that might simply not be on the NZ and build it there too - is expensive or very difficult. Or long, and time is expensive.
  21. -5
    12 August 2019 18: 52
    Quote: 30 vis
    A bayonet to the ground! Peace to the world!

    These are slogans from the First World War. Three years in a smelly trench, then on the attack, the whole company fell, you alone are alive, but without legs. Will you continue to preach war?
    But there was one such that the war did not correct. And they poisoned him with gas, but he preached all militarism. Adolf Hitler / Schicklgruber was called. His laurels do not give you peace?
  22. 0
    12 August 2019 20: 37
    In general, I agree with the author. What was in fact we will not find out soon, which is explained by quite prosaic reasons. Liberation will find "irrefutable versions" of the guilt of Putin and his regime for a long time to come, and I think that's enough to guess on the coffee grounds. Smart guys forge the shield of the country, honor them, praise and our memory. I would say that it does not happen with someone who does nothing. But in this case, I will lie, because Ukraine is constantly proving the opposite.
  23. +1
    12 August 2019 21: 12
    Quote: Berkut24
    because Ukraine constantly proves the opposite.

    And again, they kicked Ukraine. What for?
  24. +3
    12 August 2019 23: 31
    Dear author, please write the name of the village, which is the same age as Moscow, write correctly: Nyonoksa. The sky and the palate are similar, but they exist ... Otherwise, as with the cradle of the fleet in Russia - Voronezh and point, on the "Military Review"! And I received warnings, a lot of minuses and not a single answer to the questions I raised in the comments. And no apologies on the website, or in a personal letter: not about the years of foundation of the Admiralty in Solombala in Arkhangelsk, or about the first private shipyard in Russia in the village of Vavchuga from the merchants Bazhenins, or about the first Russian ship "Eagle". It's scary to mention shipbuilding on Solovki ...
    And there is an error in your text. The battlefield of a training ground on the White Sea, according to which submariners work with ballistics, is called by the name of the closest village - Chizha, not Chizhi. The rest of the White Sea battlefields have been closed for a long time - lionfish learned to fly far. Sincerely.
  25. +1
    13 August 2019 04: 55
    Chernobyl is not canceled. it will happen in our liberal (and not "liberal") and in the Western media. It is strange that there is no appeal to the UN Security Council for an urgent meeting. It is not clear why the USA does not associate this emergency with violation of the moratorium on nuclear tests. The state of their "shield" promsto requires the resumption of testing in Nevada. Time has passed decently and it is not clear why there is still no wave. Although ... The victims of the accident were employees of Rosatom. This may just be confusing to their experts. But in any case, such a modest reaction without an official run over is a bit surprising at the moment.
    1. -2
      13 August 2019 08: 43
      This only confirms that nothing critically dangerous happened there. If something nuclear had really jumped out there, then the "lamp of democracy" would have squealed like a pig being slaughtered ...
  26. +3
    13 August 2019 10: 41
    Rumors about the connection of radiation in Severodvinsk, which increased to extremely modest levels and by as much as 20-30 minutes, with tests of 9M730 or its components, in general, also do not fit, especially since the detected radioactive isotope was radon, and it is clearly not fits the definition of traces of nuclear destruction.


    In the White Sea limited fishing
    During the period from August 10 to October 10 in the White Sea along the coast of the Onega and Dvina bays (Arkhangelsk region) it is forbidden to use fish-harrowing, draining and stationary tools for fishing, the press service of the Kenozersky National Park reports.
  27. +1
    13 August 2019 10: 48
    Quote: NEOZ
    Quote: bbtcs
    This is the television of Solovyov and Skobeeva. Believe them?

    saying "A" say "B"!
    and which television do you believe?

    Rain, apparently))
  28. +1
    13 August 2019 10: 55
    Still, the author should give links to some sources from which he drew some information.
    Like Jeffrey Lewis
    https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1159617978641465344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2019%2F08%2F09%2Fserebryanka%2F
  29. +1
    13 August 2019 11: 07
    And what did they do there?
  30. +3
    13 August 2019 11: 16
    Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
    Do you know the height profile 3M22? Why did you decide that she has only high-altitude motor hypersound? We don’t know anything about her profile. It can probably be combined. Now, according to your versions, this is not SLBMs, according to the NOTAM that has surfaced, this is visible. There to New Earth. And not PLUR, of course. And not Zircon. But here it could be something SIMILAR to the Petrel, or from among him - but not himself, that’s possible. It’s just that these days a number of versions have disappeared.

    Dear author! The flight profile of a hypersonic missile can only be high altitude. According to experts, the marching flight altitude of a hypersonic rocket with a ramjet should be about 40-45 km
    At altitudes of example 11-25 km, the hull temperature rise is more than 1000 ° C at a speed of about 5,2M and up to a temperature of about 4100 ° C at a speed of up to 10M. The speed of "Zircon" in open sources "walks" from 6 to 8M. And at lower altitudes, which is really for the KR flight at low altitude, the speed ranges from 1500 to 5490 ° C at speeds from 5 to 10M. How long will a hypersonic missile fly at low altitude until it burns up?

    As for the versions, it was written yesterday morning, when no one had said anything about NOTAM, and there was no interview with the head of the Center in Sarov. I sketched the options simply because it is a Navy training ground. Of course, no one will shoot at such a distance (as according to NOTAM), SLBMs, but for PLUR the distance is great. But a hypersonic missile, in principle, could have traveled about such a distance, and there it is on the order of a thousand kilometers

    And the truth is the truth. A number of versions over the past few years
  31. 0
    13 August 2019 12: 47
    Radon again? Very interesting! Remember the long history of radon infection in central Russia, where the infection was most likely, but as for its source, everyone just shrugged it off? It seems that we do have a nuclear ramjet with a decent level of pollution (when it does not explode, of course). That's the trick! Maybe cosmonautics is still possible for earthlings ?!
    1. +1
      13 August 2019 13: 20
      Quote: Mikhail3
      with radon infection in central Russia, where the infection was most likely


      Not radon - ruthenium.
      The high state commission (!) Authoritatively flinched off that it was a satellite (which no one had seen), and it was precisely from the Mayak nuclear plant that it crawled ...

      These authoritative commissions and the Ministry of Defense (which had no emissions) naively believe that someone else believes them ...

      They still don’t know how to say that an RTG explosion of such power - within a radius of 500 m, people will receive radiation doses that are not compatible with life.

      I am beginning to respect the leadership of the USSR, which stopped the development of such engines for aircraft.
      And what you need to be meager to allow such trials over your territory ...
      1. 0
        13 August 2019 14: 43
        The one who does not go forward goes backward. More precisely - it falls. In our position, all the more, this is not Brezhnev's "stagnation", when for decades you could move sluggishly ...
        1. +3
          14 August 2019 09: 50
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The one who does not go forward goes backward. More precisely - it falls. In our position, all the more, this is not Brezhnev's "stagnation", when for decades you could move sluggishly ...


          During the "Brezhnev stagnation" 90% of weapons were created, some are still in service - ground-based ballistic missiles (Satan), UR-100 and sea-based (blue) low-noise nuclear submarines, Tu-160, MiG-29, Su -27, Su-25, Mi-24 helicopters, AK-74 shooting complex chambered for a low-pulse 5,45 mm cartridge (viper), IS satellite fighters, T-64, T-72, T-80 main tanks, medium-range mobile missiles Pioneer (the USSR destroyed 1846 missile systems, the USA - 846 Pershing-2 complexes) and many others have not yet been named.
          It was under Brezhnev - we achieved parity in nuclear weapons with the United States.
          Under Brezhnev, the R&D reserve was created, which is being implemented in modern weapons of Russia.

          There was stagnation in the economy - there was a quantum leap in military technology.

          Remember the epic with the notorious Mace - and where is it? And when will it go into service? And where is the stagnation?

          Returning from China to Russia, I clearly see where stagnation and hopelessness are ...
          Our engineer receives half the amount of his Chinese counterpart.
          Putin's incompetent rule drove the economy into stagnation and led to impoverishment of the population.

          Familiar scientists come - there are promising designs for car pendants - nobody needs Russia - we have been fighting for decades in closed doors, help, maybe the Chinese will buy ...
          And at the same time we see how billions are stolen at various state programs ... It's a shame.
  32. +2
    13 August 2019 16: 51
    August 08, 2019 showed, in my opinion, the incompetence of the leaders of my native Severodvinsk and, it seems, of the current leaders of the Arkhangelsk region, especially those who receive budget money, as it were, for "civil defense". Well, yes, they also regularly spend money on checking the sirens (which for some reason did not howl on 08.08.2019/08.08.2019/13) and the sound notification system (which for some reason was silent on 11/13/12) ... Today, almost like Julian Semyonov: "TASS is authorized to declare" : FIRE IN THE TERRITORY OF THE MILITARY UNIT IN SEVERODVINSK 26 AUG, XNUMX:XNUMX Updated XNUMX:XNUMX
    The radiation level in Severodvinsk during an emergency briefly exceeded the background by 4-16 times MOSCOW, August 13. / TASS /. The radiation level in Severodvinsk during the incident at the military training ground on August 8 briefly exceeded natural background values ​​at individual observation stations by 4-16 times. As Roshydromet reports on Tuesday with reference to the Northern Directorate for Hydrometeorology and Environmental Monitoring, after half an hour the levels dropped again sharply, and two hours later the situation returned to normal. "
    Interestingly, the prosecutor's office will move at least a little, or how with the employees of Zvyozdochka Central Station OJSC that they became defrauded equity holders in two residential complexes "Breeze" and "Brigantina" - until they went on a direct line, it is clear with whom - the prosecutors "I do not see anything, I don't hear anything, I won't tell anyone "? ... Sad ...
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  34. 0
    14 August 2019 20: 45
    I’m sure that experienced journalists in the editorial office signed what was needed on non-disclosure of secrets! And to those commentators who VERY WANTS to learn more about the tested product, I’ll say in Russian straight-FUCK IN YOU IN A BAG so that DRIEDIES DO NOT CAME!
  35. 0
    17 August 2019 20: 26
    So now with radiation ... Arranging dangerous tests near the base of the Navy is completely out of your head. What is now an obvious fact. Confirmed.