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German Air Force named Bundeswehr Achilles heel

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The pilots of the German Air Force are sorely lacking the number of hours of flight. The lack of aircraft in the German Air Force led to this, writes Bild.


German Air Force named Bundeswehr Achilles heel


Just over half of the German Air Force flight personnel have the right amount of training flights. This was led by a shortage of combat aircraft. According to the publication, less than half of the entire fleet of Luftwaffe aircraft is simply not suitable not only for completing combat missions to protect the country's airspace and participating in NATO missions, but simply does not have the opportunity to take off.

In the German Ministry of Defense recognized the country's air force as the Achalles heel of the Bundeswehr. According to published data on the training of the Air Force pilots, for 2018, only 512 of 875 pilots were able to fly the required minimum, although the NATO order says that a pilot must fly at least 180 flight hours in a year and only 40 of them can be performed on an airplane simulator. The main reason for this is the poor technical condition of the Tornado and Eurofighter aircraft in service with the Air Force. It is stated that spare parts are needed to repair the aircraft, but the Ministry of Defense has no funds for this. The Tornado fleet was particularly affected, the aircraft are in service more than 30 years.

The German government called on the new Minister of Defense of Germany, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, to start improving the situation as soon as possible, since maintaining this situation could lead to a massive outflow of professional pilots from the Air Force.

Recall that in February this year, the German Ministry of Defense decided to abandon the purchase of Lockheed Martin's F-35 and removed the aircraft from a tender involving the purchase of new aircraft to replace the Tornado. The United States did not like this solution very much, as they counted on deliveries of the F-35 to the German Air Force.
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  1. nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 6 August 2019 15: 05
    -7
    Let them buy our Mig-35s, since they don’t want fu-35s ...
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  2. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 6 August 2019 15: 06
    0
    Germany is not the same ...
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 6 August 2019 15: 50
      +1
      I wonder if there are changing tables for the flight crew? I remember the minister-gynecologist actively promoted them into service!
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 6 August 2019 16: 15
        +1
        Quote: andrewkor
        That's interesting, but there are changing tables in the location of the flight crew?

        This is not and never will be, since there is nothing to do with the breast, as in any army.

        But the development of a uniform for pregnant soldiers - yes, it cost a "pretty penny" in the amount of 600 thousand euros.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 August 2019 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Germany is not the same ...

      Their Americans “educated” at one time that fighting is bad, the school curriculum necessarily tells about concentration camps, etc., a la how embarrassing to be German. Therefore, the Sun is a dachshund, but the police and its special forces at the level took up after the failure of 1972 in Munich.
  3. NF68
    NF68 6 August 2019 15: 09
    +5
    About similar problems in the Bundeswehr Air Force and, not only in the Air Force, reports in the German media began to appear several years ago. Apparently, the previous Minister of Defense of Germany did not greatly interest these problems. As a result, the Bundeswehr pilots increasingly began to quit. And no one properly asked for this with Frau von der Leyen. Little of. She was shoved to the post of chairman of the European Commission. Mess and only.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 6 August 2019 15: 42
      0
      So Von der Leyen and ruined the whole Bundeswehr is no secret. What could the former social minister do in the Bundeswehr?
      1. NF68
        NF68 6 August 2019 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: Klingon
        So Von der Leyen and ruined the whole Bundeswehr is no secret. What could the former social minister do in the Bundeswehr?


        She did not break apart the Bundeswehr. Someone was also above it. And the German parliamentarians knew about this and raised this issue. But little has changed since the intervention of parliamentarians.
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 6 August 2019 15: 54
          +4
          I know, I’m kind of * here * (there) living, but the initiatives to do service in the Bundeswehr * mehr familienfreundlich .. * with the installation of panoramic panels in the barracks and improving leisure time, etc. (this is instead of modernizing the outdated park with the entire technical component) came it is from von der Leyen.
          So one brigadier general somehow answered her message about improving the life of soldiers like * Frau von der Leyen, sind Sie aber bewusst, das es gibt keine familienfreundliche Kriege ?? * In the sense * Madam Minister, are you aware that there are no friendly wars family (leisure) ??
          1. NF68
            NF68 6 August 2019 15: 55
            +2
            Quote: Klingon
            I know, I’m kind of * here * (there) living, but the initiatives to do service in the Bundeswehr * mehr familienfreundlich .. * with the installation of panoramic panels in the barracks and improving leisure time, etc. (this is instead of modernizing the outdated park with the entire technical component) came it is from von der Leyen.
            So one brigadier general somehow answered her message about improving the life of soldiers like * Frau von der Leyen, sind Sie aber bewusst, das es gibt keine familienfreundliche Kriege ?? * And in the sense * Madam Minister, are you aware that there are no friendly wars family (leisure) ??


            I also live there for the 19 year. And still do not stop wondering what the Bundeswehr brought to.
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 04
              +1
              I live 21 drinks
              Weil am Rhein there is such a city laughing
              Where are you?
              1. NF68
                NF68 6 August 2019 16: 08
                +1
                Quote: Klingon
                I live 21 drinks
                Weil am Rhein there is such a city laughing


                You have a good place. Perhaps one of the best in Germany. I live in East Westphalia at the very border with the federal state of Hesse
                1. Klingon
                  Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 10
                  0
                  I was there a couple of times in Kassel, Minden, went on training
                  Everything is terribly expensive for us from the porters (((
                  Because of them, the prices for all shopping malls are lifted up; it’s still cheaper for them than in Switzerland
                  1. NF68
                    NF68 6 August 2019 16: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Klingon
                    I was there a couple of times in Kassel, Minden, went on training
                    Everything is terribly expensive for us from the porters (((
                    Because of them, the prices for all shopping malls are lifted up; it’s still cheaper for them than in Switzerland


                    Everything is relatively cheap here. But working is not very good. Although we live almost in the center of Germany.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2019 16: 12
                +1
                He lived in Bavaria for six months)). Cool good And I liked the Germans - I understand that there are different, but for the most part polite and nice people.
                1. Klingon
                  Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 28
                  +2
                  I have a friend who has a German, sometimes we play together in Airsoft, so he only has a set of Kalash, he doesn’t recognize other samples, although he served in the Bundeswehr with the HK G-36. Says easy, but still guancho.
                  And the Kalash (AK-74) they were given to hold in their hands (the main weapon of the broads, etc.), since then he has fallen in love with Kalash and laughing
                2. NF68
                  NF68 7 August 2019 17: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  He lived in Bavaria for six months)). Cool good And I liked the Germans - I understand that there are different, but for the most part polite and nice people.


                  South Germany generally lives better. Even against the background of other old federal lands.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 7 August 2019 17: 53
                    0
                    I am aware of this. BMW, beer, tourism, prestigious universities, industry, etc. BW also lives well, has been to Stuttgart, but not so.
                    1. NF68
                      NF68 7 August 2019 17: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I am aware of this. BMW, beer, tourism, prestigious universities, industry, etc. BW also lives well, has been to Stuttgart, but not so.


                      Bavaria for 200 years is a state in a state.
            2. Kurare
              Kurare 6 August 2019 16: 20
              +3
              Quote: NF68
              And still do not stop wondering what the Bundeswehr brought to.

              hi Only today, an article came out that the number of ships in Deutsche Marina is at the lowest level in its entire history. So, everyone got nuts. It will take more than one year to rake and the ACC, in my opinion, is completely incapable of this.
              1. NF68
                NF68 7 August 2019 17: 56
                0
                Quote: Kurare
                Quote: NF68
                And still do not stop wondering what the Bundeswehr brought to.

                hi Only today, an article came out that the number of ships in Deutsche Marina is at the lowest level in its entire history. So, everyone got nuts. It will take more than one year to rake and the ACC, in my opinion, is completely incapable of this.


                In the army, the situation is no better. It seems like a couple of years ago they took up the elimination of the mess and the Bundeswehr was allocated more money, but it would also take not 1 and not 2 years. Moreover, billions of 20 per year are needed for the maintenance of refugees.
                1. Kurare
                  Kurare 8 August 2019 09: 44
                  0
                  Quote: NF68
                  In the army, the situation is no better.

                  You looked into the water. Yesterday all the Tiger helicopters were put on hold. There were 11% of them in the ranks (eleven !!!), but that's all ..
                  1. NF68
                    NF68 8 August 2019 16: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Kurare
                    Quote: NF68
                    In the army, the situation is no better.

                    You looked into the water. Yesterday all the Tiger helicopters were put on hold. There were 11% of them in the ranks (eleven !!!), but that's all ..


                    About this in the German media began to report a few years ago. Somewhere they even listed in detail how many and which equipment has been malfunctioning for a long time.
      2. evgic
        evgic 6 August 2019 17: 56
        +1
        And what do you want from a militant gynecologist. Apparently the next one will be a military transvestite, then the Bundeswehr will sparkle with new colors.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 August 2019 16: 09
      +5
      Quote: NF68
      About similar problems in the Bundeswehr Air Force and, not only in the Air Force, reports in the German media began to appear several years ago.

      Somewhere in 2014 - when the generals, on the wave of hysteria "Russians are coming", began to knock out money for combat training and maintenance of equipment. It was the generals - because the Minister of Defense in those days pursued a completely different policy: the main thing for her was the reduction of the military budget with the simultaneous improvement of social and cultural life and material incentives for the military. And since nothing comes out of nothing, the money to improve social and cultural life was sought by reducing the armed forces and redistributing from other items of army spending. First of all, repair and maintenance of combat readiness + real combat training went under the knife.
      Such a policy hit the Luftwaffe as the most technologically sophisticated type of aircraft.
      ... the Luftwaffe is in the most deplorable state. So, 40% of the 114 Eurofighter fighters available are under repair and cannot be used. Of the remaining 68 aircraft, only 38 are fully operational (55%, or only 30% of the total fleet). In the case of military transport aircraft C-160 Transall, out of 37 available units, only 21 can take off, while the total number of aircraft of this type in the Air Force nominally reaches 50 aircraft. Of the 93 Tornado aircraft “on the lists,” 66 can actually be used, of which 29 are combat ready (44%, or also about 30% of the total fleet).

      For the aviation of the ground forces and the navy of Germany, the situation does not look so depressing, with the exception of helicopters. So, of the 40 “listed” NH90 helicopters, only five can immediately fly into the air, that is, 22%. The situation with Tiger combat helicopters is not better, out of 43 machines on the lists and 23 in real availability, only seven are in flight condition. Of the 41 Sea King helicopters of naval aviation, only five flew this year.

      According to the report, this situation arose due to a very weak level of service of military equipment and a lack of spare parts.
      © bmpd - 2015
      1. NF68
        NF68 8 August 2019 16: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Somewhere in 2014 - when the generals, on the wave of hysteria "Russians are coming", began to knock out money for combat training and maintenance of equipment. It was the generals - because the Minister of Defense in those days pursued a completely different policy: the main thing for her was the reduction of the military budget with the simultaneous improvement of social and cultural life and material incentives for the military. And since nothing comes out of nothing, the money to improve social and cultural life was sought by reducing the armed forces and redistributing from other items of army spending. First of all, repair and maintenance of combat readiness + real combat training went under the knife.


        Well yes. From about this time, reports of very serious disagreements between high-ranking / and lower-ranking / military officers began to appear from the German media, openly criticizing her for all this. Some of these military men "retired", although these military men were right not even 100%, but all 300% ..
  4. Fitter65
    Fitter65 6 August 2019 15: 19
    +2
    The German government called on the new Minister of Defense of Germany, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, to start improving the situation as soon as possible, since maintaining this situation could lead to a massive outflow of professional pilots from the Air Force.
    We had a furniture maker, they have a gynecologist, who was replaced by a failed obstetrician ... cool
  5. Vasily Ponomarev
    Vasily Ponomarev 6 August 2019 15: 24
    0
    even if they buy f 35 and do not worry, there are many problems now with the development of new aircraft
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 14
      0
      Refused F-35 is written there. Together with the French they want to develop their 5th generation letak. And if Italians are included there, they can do it much faster than the shopping mall. The Italians have access to F-35 technologies and a factory for their assembly
      1. Vasily Ponomarev
        Vasily Ponomarev 6 August 2019 16: 57
        0
        I think they won’t do it, they need a lot of money, now only America can build massively 5 fighters, and if they do, then with a gulkin nose
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 6 August 2019 17: 30
          0
          C'mon, the French won rafals and mirages are riveting, and if they want, they’ll do it with the 5th generation Germans. Moreover, the concept is already there. Well, if the Germans save on refugees)))
      2. bang
        bang 6 August 2019 20: 30
        +1
        Together with the French, they want to develop their 5th generation letak

        If the 5th generation, they are firmly planning to jump over one generation and immediately do the 6th!
        So the F-35 is a morally obsolete device for them))
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 August 2019 15: 31
    +1
    The German government has called on the new Minister of Defense of Germany, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, as soon as possible to improve the situation
    This new minister has a husband !!! Engineer !!!. Maybe he will push his beloved wife that the planes do not fly without maintenance and spare parts.
    Although, her personal fault here is not enough; it all depends on their meager military budget. They relaxed after our "Gorbach and others", so they are patching holes. Of course, they are raising their military budget, but they want to do it systematically, which means slowly. But technology is aging and wearing out faster. Until at the very top the infusion into defense is strengthened, the degradation will continue.
  7. Fox1383
    Fox1383 6 August 2019 15: 34
    -1
    But to hell with the hellish air force, they have enough problems with migrants ... but to see the Leopard at the Tank Biathlon is cool ....
  8. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 6 August 2019 15: 35
    +2
    Well done Germans, jumped off the fu-35. They can then collaborate with European companies, but it would be better if they bought from us)))
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 August 2019 15: 35
    +1
    Tornado - write off without hesitation.
    Typhoons - tidy up.
    And buy the F-35, so as not to lag behind life, as they say ... wink
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 16
      +2
      They do not need him. They are more likely to stir up something with the French.
      The Germans are very pragmatic people, they will not invest Tugriks in an overly expensive mattress project all the more so. Mattresses are constantly sticking sticks into the wheels on SP-2, so the question is more fundamental
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 August 2019 16: 23
      +1
      But what about the joint project of France, Germany and Spain to create a new generation of European fighter? The contract has already been solemnly signed. What's the F-35?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 August 2019 16: 31
        +1
        It does not interfere.
        It will take about 15 years for them to promote a joint project. Typhoons become obsolete. And you need to fly on something modern. And besides, it is useful to compare your development with American F-35 technologies. In order not to reinvent the wheel.
        I think that the purchase of a small amount (a couple of dozen) F-35 for Germany is inevitable.
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 6 August 2019 21: 33
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      so as not to lag behind life

      They saw such a "life" in the coffin. laughing
  10. pytar
    pytar 6 August 2019 15: 47
    +2
    As you read, in all NATO countries, the complete degradation of the Armed Forces! For excluding the Turkish ones, and not without the help of the Russian Federation ... (Erdogan is "ours" ...)! Insufficient funding, reduction of tech. park, formal training of military personnel, etc. etc.! It doesn't look like NATO is about to attack! In truth, the United States is increasing its defense spending, but they spend a significant part on payments to social packages. In addition, the American Armed Forces are scattered all over the world, so logistics alone consumes billions of dollars!
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 August 2019 16: 25
      -1
      For excluding the Turkish, and not without the help of the Russian Federation ... (Erdogan is "ours" ...)!

      You come up with something. What does Russia have to do with the Turkish F-16?
      1. pytar
        pytar 6 August 2019 16: 45
        +1
        You come up with something. What does Russia have to do with the Turkish F-16?

        ... complete degradation of the sun! For the exclusion of the Turkish, while not without the help of the Russian Federation ...

        Sun - Armed Forces! C-400 air defense element, part of the sun. I did not say anything about f-16 in my comment. request
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 August 2019 16: 34
      0
      "It doesn't look like NATO is here, here it will attack!" ////
      ----
      What there - attack ... negative They are concerned about how to "give the go-ahead" in the defensive.
      1. pytar
        pytar 6 August 2019 16: 48
        +1
        They are concerned about how to "give the go-ahead" in the defensive.

        And who is going to attack NATO? belay
    3. garrett
      garrett 8 August 2019 13: 19
      0
      It doesn’t look like NATO is about to attack!

      and who says that NATO will attack ?? to fight with the barmalei in the banana republics is the maximum. not Russia, not the EU yet another WW is not needed, and the elves do not need this either.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 6 August 2019 15: 51
    +1
    The German government called on the new Minister of Defense of Germany Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer

    Not even a gynecologist. Professional politician. Therefore, probably only knows how to talk.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 August 2019 16: 13
      0
      That covered the Bundeswehr with what she studied laughing
  12. yehat
    yehat 6 August 2019 16: 09
    +1
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Everything rests on their meager military budget.

    if you look at how much you swell in projects like modernization of infantry fighting vehicles, you will see
    that the budget there is far from small.
  13. Bookcase
    Bookcase 6 August 2019 16: 14
    +1
    Yes, the Germans in the army have problems not only with airplanes. It so happened that not far from my house, a NATO base was deployed (20 km) And that’s why I often see various NATO equipment. Airplanes with helicopters above us by the way - also appear from time to time. The equipment is mostly very old. But well maintained. Training soldiers - wants to be better. Sometimes they are looking for lost helicopters. :-)
  14. Horst78
    Horst78 6 August 2019 16: 20
    +2
    The Germans really have problems in the Air Force. They remove the tornado, and their pilots love Unlike Typhoons. They can’t support a tornado in a fighting state, but with the Typhoons the quality problem (as far as I heard).
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 August 2019 16: 37
      +1
      Typhoons require a long and qualified service. They criticize the F-35 for this, but the Typhoons are even more troublesome.
      1. NN52
        NN52 6 August 2019 19: 10
        -1
        What is it like? Even more troublesome ??
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 August 2019 22: 31
          +1
          Typhoons are released in very small batches. Almost single
          production. Spare parts production is also single, and delivery
          poorly organized. Technicians are having a hard time.
          The F-35 has the opposite problem - mass production. Manufacturers
          parts and assemblies hardly keep up with the assembly line.
          And they are not in time with the supply of spare parts for already delivered aircraft.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 August 2019 17: 07
      0
      The Germans really have problems in the Air Force.

      It's true.
      In reality, most of the 128 aircraft of the German Air Force are unable to participate in combat operations.
      And to make it clear what the phrase “most” means, let’s make it clear: 128 aircraft are all that we have, 82 aircraft — we must provide NATO in case of crisis, that is, this number must be operational every minute, and 10 aircraft (actually less than 10) - this is what is actually at the disposal of the German Air Force.

      http://m.allpravda.info/nemetskie-smi-khotite-pravdu-o-vvs-germanii-iz-128-istrebiteley-ispravny-menee-10-62162.html
  15. Klingon
    Klingon 6 August 2019 16: 32
    0
    Quote: NF68
    Quote: Klingon
    I was there a couple of times in Kassel, Minden, went on training
    Everything is terribly expensive for us from the porters (((
    Because of them, the prices for all shopping malls are lifted up; it’s still cheaper for them than in Switzerland


    Everything is relatively cheap here. But working is not very good. Although we live almost in the center of Germany.

    We have everything the other way around, it’s normal with work and you can even find a job with Doors with double / triple the salary than ours, but then they will take away most of the taxes. In Germany, they will not allow an ordinary person to earn honest money even with you, even with us
  16. Borz
    Borz 6 August 2019 17: 23
    +4
    A little off topic. But! Currently in Malaysia, Labuan. Here is the air base of the Malaysian Air Force. And almost every day, Malaysian flights to the SU-30. Today he witnessed an amazing show, but simply a training flight. The pilot demonstrated both his skills and the capabilities of this magnificent machine. Despite the fact that locals are accustomed to flying, most people watched the performance of aerobatics. That's how you need to relate to your Air Force. By the way, local people in conversations emphasize that this is Russian technology.
  17. Horst78
    Horst78 6 August 2019 18: 05
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Typhoons are even more troublesome.

    As far as I understood the problem of Typhoonav as well as the F-35. Each country wants exactly "its" car. Those. Only the glider is common, and the filling is different for everyone. Take Typhoons of the British Air Force, Germany, Italy, etc. they are, in principle, not interchangeable machines. In principle, there was the same story with the Tornado, but it was leveled by the "number" of cars. Typhoons (as far as I remember, much less. And they are much more technologically advanced). Having lost in quantity, we got problems in quality and maintainability. Take the Bo-105 helicopter. The car is great, but the company who made it no longer exists. Modernization is proceeding according to the principle "We can supply something." The same problem with Soviet technology. Who just does not modernize it, but not knowing the design documentation. What they just do not put.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 August 2019 18: 38
    0
    This Tornado is already 30-40 years old, so what do you want from them?
  19. koks
    koks 6 August 2019 18: 46
    0
    In the German Ministry of Defense recognized the country's air force as the Achalles heel of the Bundeswehr. According to published data on the training of pilots of the Air Force, in 2018 only 512 of the 875 pilots were able to fly the required minimum

    Someone should increase the fighting ability of the Luftwaffe? Who will do it gentlemen ..

    We are waiting, if that is ALL! soldier
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 August 2019 19: 56
    0
    And when the Luftwaffe ....!
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 August 2019 20: 16
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    The main reason for this is the poor technical condition of the Tornado and Eurofighter aircraft in service with the Air Force, and it is said that parts are needed to repair the aircraft.
    The German government has called on the new Minister of Defense of Germany, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, to start improving the situation as soon as possible,
    How to give birth to spare parts? feel