Konstantin Semin on negative forecasts in the global economy

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The capitalist model of the modern global economy continues to demonstrate its “genetic” susceptibility to crises. In recent years, the periods between economic crises have only decreased. At the same time, the number of negative forecasts for the global economy is increasing.

Konstantin Semin on negative forecasts in the global economy




Leading economists of the world say that by the end of 2019, the average global economic growth will decline. According to some versions, up to 3,2%, according to others - up to 3-х. The Russian economy will not be able (according to forecasts) to collect half of this value. Announcement of growth at the end of this year - 1,2-1,3%. Earlier, the country's president set a task for the government to make efforts to intensify economic growth - to a level that is higher than the world average. For the current government, such a task remains, as teachers and students of several generations say, “with an asterisk”. And this is the case when the task is not solved, although the future development of the country and the income level of citizens depend on its solution.

Negative forecasts in the global economy are associated with the so-called Brexit (British exit from the European Union), with crises in Latin America and the Middle East, with growing stratification according to the degree of cheapness of labor.

About what are the forecasts of the future of the world economy and what processes are taking place in it, says Konstantin Semin in the next issue of Agitprop.

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  1. +2
    30 July 2019 06: 01
    again, a predisposition to crises, but what if there were no crises in the USSR, even now our economy cannot overtake the American one in terms of growth rates, 3 times less growth with a difference in the size of the economy itself, then the problem is apparently not in the type of economy, but in the brains, no wonder they said "every problem has a name and surname"
    1. +1
      30 July 2019 07: 34
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      again a predisposition to crises

      not again, but always
      Today's capitalism has tried to reduce or completely reduce to zero the overproduction by releasing goods with a limited term of use and pairing versions 2.0, but ....
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      as if there were no crises in the USSR

      what kind?
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      our economy cannot surpass the American one in terms of growth rates, growth is 3 times less with a difference in size of the economy itself, which means the problem is apparently not in the type of economy

      there is a maaaalenky nuance - depending on what is considered as volume
      1. -1
        30 July 2019 07: 57
        1) which ones? - Well, for example, a sharp decline in growth in the 80s, stagnation 2) [/ quote]
        there is a maaaalenky nuance - depending on what to consider as volume [/ quote] yes at least industrial
        1. 0
          30 July 2019 08: 13
          Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
          Well, for example, a sharp decline in growth in 80's

          since when did the recession become a crisis? !!!
          crisis is when it stopped
          Threat in numbers, you can call a crisis, stagnation is about another
          Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
          yes even industrial

          again, give the numbers
          1. +1
            30 July 2019 08: 31
            1) I will give the link to me too lazy to write http://history4you.ru/lessons/culture/show-lesson/-/asset_publisher/ 2) in terms of US industry, they are second only to China, and amounts to 3-4 trillion
            1. 0
              30 July 2019 08: 51
              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              1) I will give the link to me too lazy to write http://history4you.ru/lessons/culture/show-lesson/-/asset_publisher/

              The results of Russia's development in 1985–99: end of the "communist experiment"
              TV shows in Russia in the late 1980s and 1990s
              The results of Russia's development in 1985–99: the emergence of a new independent state - the Russian Federation
              these are topics on your link, do you really think that this is a source worthy of attention ?!

              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              in terms of US industry, second only to China, and amounts to 3-4 trillion

              http://su90.ru/
              1. 0
                30 July 2019 09: 06
                the link does not work I didn’t throw it off
                1. 0
                  30 July 2019 18: 00
                  the link works, but nonsense where in one heap the analysis of series and the economy read for yourself
          2. +1
            30 July 2019 10: 26
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            Well, for example, a sharp decline in growth in 80's

            since when did the recession become a crisis? !!!
            crisis is when it stopped
            Threat in numbers, you can call a crisis, stagnation is about another
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            yes even industrial

            again, give the numbers

            And why, what happened in 80's, you call it a recession?
            A typical crisis.
            Just the word crisis did not coincide with socialist ideology.
      2. 0
        30 July 2019 08: 40
        what kind?

        Coupons in the early 80's do you think of a good life? So that the workers would not overeat and not spoil their figure?
        1. -1
          30 July 2019 09: 07
          Quote: Flamberg
          Coupons at the beginning of 80's do you think of a good life?

          I found out what coupons are in 92
          1. 0
            30 July 2019 09: 08
            Well, so what? If you did not see coupons in the early 80s, this does not mean that they were not.
            1. 0
              30 July 2019 10: 42
              Quote: Flamberg
              If you did not see coupons at the beginning of 80's, this does not mean that they were not.

              Yes, yes, if I do not see a gopher, then he just wanted somewhere ... laughing
              1. +2
                30 July 2019 18: 53
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Flamberg
                If you did not see coupons at the beginning of 80's, this does not mean that they were not.

                Yes, yes, if I do not see a gopher, then he just wanted somewhere ... laughing

                Vladimir, you don’t confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
                These are not food cards, these are checks, roughly speaking, the replacement of money that is given to various low-income groups of the population so that they can spend it only on food, and not on alcohol or drugs.
                in the USSR coupons were not possible to buy in Paris, it was a card for the right to purchase, guaranteed purchase.
                American coupons are just money given out for food.
                The deficit was never there.
                In the USSR, everyone received coupons.
            2. 0
              30 July 2019 18: 03
              You saw them, personally
          2. -2
            30 July 2019 10: 27
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            Quote: Flamberg
            Coupons at the beginning of 80's do you think of a good life?

            I found out what coupons are in 92

            You should have lived in the Kalinin region.
            Would know earlier.
            The people were still satisfied - at least it was possible to buy by coupons.
        2. 0
          30 July 2019 10: 28
          Quote: Flamberg
          Coupons at the beginning of 80's

          This is where it was?
          1. -2
            30 July 2019 16: 44
            In Google banned?
            1. +1
              30 July 2019 16: 51
              Quote: Flamberg
              In Google banned?

              What do I need your Google, if I remember the beginning of 80's well.
              1. -1
                31 July 2019 04: 07
                Google is not mine unfortunately.
                1. 0
                  31 July 2019 09: 09
                  In-in, you correctly characterized yourself.
    2. +2
      30 July 2019 08: 49
      What crises were in more detail in the USSR.
      1. -2
        30 July 2019 09: 04
        The main not passing crisis of the USSR is that everything military was excellent, but the civil from the category of the third grade is not a marriage. When the curtain rose and people saw how they live on a decaying ... in general, the end is a bit predictable.
        1. +2
          30 July 2019 09: 08
          Quote: Flamberg
          it’s that everything military was excellent, but the third-class civilian is not a marriage.

          not true, you will be surprised but our products were far from the third grade, and many were quite at the western level
          1. +1
            30 July 2019 09: 15
            Of course I exaggerated about the third grade. In the USSR, life was certainly not bad and certainly stable, but how could I say ... like porridge without butter, it seems satisfying, but something is not right. But the Americans were able to defense and in cars, and in electronics, etc. etc., in general, in all areas to develop. The problem with the economy of the USSR was that some figure could decide that the Soviet man did not need it, and everyone slipped on slippers to the sofa.
            1. +1
              30 July 2019 09: 29
              Quote: Flamberg
              The problem of the economy of the USSR ...

              20 congress steers
              the main problem was that the ideologists of the USSR encapsulated believing that all the maximum development was achieved and there was no sense in developing a theory, moreover, it was unacceptable, hence the main problems
              1. +1
                30 July 2019 09: 32
                That's it. People are shod, fed, is there where to live and work, what else is needed ???
                1. +1
                  30 July 2019 09: 40
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  work what else is needed

                  What do you need now? !!!!
                  loaf of filthy sausage with chemistry?
                  I remember on March 7 in the USSR we rejoiced at half-dead tulips and gave them to the girls in the class, but why are they happy on March 7 now? !!!!
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2019 09: 53
                    What do you need now? !!!!
                    loaf of filthy sausage with chemistry?

                    Well, at that time chemistry was not possible as such, not only in the USSR, but also in the west. Although I do not know for sure and I will not argue.
                    I remember on March 7 in the USSR we rejoiced at half-dead tulips and gave them to the girls in the class, but why are they happy on March 7 now? !!!!

                    Now all year round you can buy any flowers) for every taste, color and purse) And the girls are not happy with the flowers, but with attention, nothing has changed here.
                    The USSR stood on the fact that people did not know that you can live better than they live.
                    1. +1
                      30 July 2019 13: 50
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      but also in the west.

                      was
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      Now all year round you can buy any flowers

                      you can buy the truth is the same with chemistry, but another thing is important before The holiday was in the air, but now this is not
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      The USSR stood on the fact that people did not know that you can live better than they live

                      yeah now we know that you can live worse
                      1. -2
                        30 July 2019 14: 50
                        you can buy the truth is the same with chemistry, but another thing is important before The holiday was in the air, but now this is not
                        And the grass was greener, the sky bluer, and the tap water was sweeter. laughing
                        yeah now we know that you can live worse

                        So now we do not live worse.
                      2. +1
                        30 July 2019 15: 54
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        and tap water is sweeter.

                        about water at a point bottled did not buy
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        So now we do not live worse.

                        sure ?!
                        How was it determined?
                      3. -2
                        30 July 2019 16: 43
                        about water at a point bottled did not buy
                        Wherever you just bought it. There was no alternative to rusty pipes.
                        sure ?!
                        How was it determined?

                        Elementary. I asked my mom.
                      4. 0
                        30 July 2019 17: 56
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Wherever you just bought it. There was no alternative to rusty pipes.

                        dear, my tap water was cleaner than bottled now
                      5. +2
                        30 July 2019 17: 58
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Elementary. I asked my mom.

                        aaa
                        and what exactly did mom say to you ?!
                        well, what’s better, the food tastes better, the refrigerator freezes better, reads more books, can go to the premieres (with the union in Bolshoi, the janitor Vasya could easily get into it, he could afford it)? !!!
                        preferably without smearing on a plate
                  2. -1
                    30 July 2019 10: 34
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    Quote: Flamberg
                    work what else is needed

                    What do you need now? !!!!
                    loaf of filthy sausage with chemistry?
                    I remember on March 7 in the USSR we rejoiced at half-dead tulips and gave them to the girls in the class, but why are they happy on March 7 now? !!!!

                    How wonderful to scold - when everything is there.
                    When it is not necessary to defend the queues, order through the order table, go to Moscow.
                    Would you buy half-dead tulips now?
                    Oh well.
                    Then there were simply no others.
                    The advantage of socialism.
                    Take what you have, or
                    1. +1
                      30 July 2019 13: 55
                      Quote: atalef
                      How wonderful to scold - when everything is there.

                      and what didn’t I have before?
                      Quote: atalef
                      When you do not need to defend the queue

                      don’t tell laugh, we also stand in lines, sometimes sellers take evil as sleepy flies, if they allied, they would tear these to pieces
                      Quote: atalef
                      Would you buy half-dead tulips now?

                      You perfectly understood that I’m not talking about tulips, by the way, roses used to stand for two weeks, and now they fade on the third day
                      Quote: atalef
                      Then there were simply no others.

                      ohhh even as it was just a schoolboy roses from the bazaar were too expensive
                      Quote: atalef
                      The advantage of socialism.
                      Take what you have, or

                      my parents were simple barefoot engineers did not go, the house had two refrigerators both full
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2019 18: 54
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        and what didn’t I have before?

                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        don’t tell laugh, we also stand in lines, sometimes sellers take evil as sleepy flies, if they allied, they would tear these to pieces

                        How old are you ?
                        Where did you live?
                      2. +1
                        30 July 2019 20: 29
                        48, Alma-Ata
          2. 0
            30 July 2019 10: 28
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            Quote: Flamberg
            it’s that everything military was excellent, but the third-class civilian is not a marriage.

            not true, you will be surprised but our products were far from the third grade, and many were quite at the western level

            Of course, I welcome your patriotism - but I would not be at a loss to give 3-5 examples.
            At least
            1. +1
              30 July 2019 13: 57
              Quote: atalef
              about would not be hard to give 3-5 examples.
              At least

              Moskvich 412, Niva, Zil refrigerators
              1. -3
                30 July 2019 19: 01
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                Moskvich 412, Niva, Zil refrigerators

                The plant was purchased at 1929 g Ford
                Muscovite 412 - Issue 1967g (start)
                The starting point for the start of production of domestic freon-based compression refrigerators is considered to be the Decree of September 07 1949, by the order of which a design bureau was created at the Moscow plant named after Y. V. Stalin.

                It was here that drawings were developed and prepared for the manufacture of smallx 85-liter Saratov units and more capacious 165-liter ZILs
                Prototype a sample was used for the first ZiS-Moscow refrigerator US pre-war production. One of the “premier” devices, by the way, was presented to Brezhnev and was highly appreciated.

                Niva.
                Do not tell my sneakers.
                1. 0
                  30 July 2019 20: 28
                  Quote: atalef
                  Avod was purchased in 1929 from Ford
                  Muscovite 412 - Issue 1967g (start)

                  and what is it for ?!
                  Quote: atalef
                  Niva.
                  Do not tell my sneakers.

                  yes even laugh
                2. 0
                  30 July 2019 22: 56
                  .Niva.
                  Do not tell my sneakers.

                  In vain you are so)) take an interest, at your leisure, about this car, at the time of creation
                  1. -2
                    31 July 2019 04: 03
                    Yes, who argues !!! At the time of creation the FIRST PARQUET !!! And now what? Always stand on the conveyor, unchanged ??? You turn on the brain please. In the late 70s, an adequate car, which as the first in its class, could be forgiven a lot, but in the late 80s forgive ...
                    1. +1
                      31 July 2019 09: 53
                      You need to turn on the brain! am
                      And choose the expression more carefully. And carefully read the posts of opponents
                      Nobros was on a car, about the release dates it was not
                      And about household appliances ...
                      It is unlikely that your mother will tell you that Scoop produced quite decent electrical equipment, which was very much appreciated abroad, to which I am a witness.
                      Py.sy.
                      Not everything is as simple as your mother told you ...
                      1. -1
                        31 July 2019 09: 56
                        Vyatka automatic copy of Ariston was appreciated abroad? Your fantasies are of little interest to me.
                      2. +1
                        31 July 2019 10: 00
                        You are kind, did not see how the Germans bought up the same, Soviet coffee grinders, fans, coffee makers, etc. laughing
                        Ask MOM laughing
                        The argument is not interesting. I wish you success hi
                      3. 0
                        31 July 2019 10: 02
                        Mom and coffee did not see, chicory interrupted, not like a coffee maker. You also don’t get sick.
                      4. 0
                        31 July 2019 10: 50
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Vyatka automatic copy of Ariston was appreciated abroad? Your fantasies are of little interest to me.

                        They even sold refrigerators in capstrana.
        2. +2
          30 July 2019 09: 27
          No need to write nonsense, this is not a crisis. Despite the fact that television was essentially invented by Russian Zvorykin, it appeared in the states almost twenty years earlier and this is not a crisis, but a lag. Just do not forget such a thing - how many years have passed since the end of the civil war and before the outbreak of the Second World War and which industry rebuilt. What devastation experienced and who first flew into space. We began to eat bread to the full in the sixties and I assure you that in the sixties the shelves began to burst with food. In our city, at least. Yes, there was some shortage, especially in terms of fashionable clothes and furniture, but we guys were not interested in that much. Televisions began to appear with us from the age of 65 when they built a television tower. But after I graduated from school in 71 I didn’t take any pants and did not take any suits in the store, only to order in the studio, then I agree with you, the clothes were sewn on an industrial scale for consumer goods. But the crisis is somewhat different, it is a drop in production, unemployment. We have always and everywhere hung ads required, required, required. hi
          1. -4
            30 July 2019 09: 42
            how many years have passed since the end of the civil war

            Here we must also remember who unleashed this war ... And it is too easy to credit Stalin for the restoration of the country after the civil war, forgetting that the Communists themselves are to blame for the fact that the country almost fell apart when his brother went to his brother ...
            But the crisis is somewhat different, it is a drop in production, unemployment. We have always and everywhere hung ads required, required, required.

            Yes, of course you are right, there could not be a crisis like the capitalists in the USSR. But there was a lag in the civilian sector that did not bother anyone. The main thing is that our tanks / planes / missiles / ships were cooler than the west.
            1. +2
              30 July 2019 09: 51
              There wouldn’t be tanks, ships, airplanes wouldn’t you really common truths do not reach you. The West cannot eat at the mere mention of our existence.
              1. -2
                30 July 2019 09: 59
                There wouldn’t be tanks, ships, airplanes wouldn’t you really commonplace dvas not reach.

                I do not think that the USSR could withstand NATO in a direct war without nuclear weapons. Resources in the West are trite more human and material. So nuclear weapons created parity.
                The West cannot eat at the mere mention of our existence.

                How did you decide this? Probable "friends" should not be considered evil idiots who hate Russia for no reason.
                1. +2
                  30 July 2019 10: 06
                  In Ukraine, the remains of the SS men were buried with honors

                  At least from here, for me they are enemies forever, my two uncles remained there, and the third until the last day wore a splinter under my heart and did not anger me with stupid questions.
                  1. -1
                    30 July 2019 10: 13
                    what Just like a classic - Horses mixed in a bunch of people
                2. 0
                  30 July 2019 14: 04
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  I do not think that the USSR could withstand NATO in a direct war without nuclear weapons.

                  Well, he survived against Europe, and then why without nuclear weapons, this is from the series when the bull attacks the boy and yells, put the drin, let's fight "honestly"
                  1. -3
                    30 July 2019 14: 06
                    Well, he survived against Europe, and then why without nuclear weapons, this is from the series when the bull attacks the boy and yells, put the drin, let's fight "honestly"
                    Mostly against Germany. And against Europe, Britain, America, America ??? They will have more resources.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2019 15: 57
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      Mostly against Germany.

                      Lord, how old are you and where did you study?
                      Germans fought on Romanian oil, Czech tanks, Norwegian ore, etc.
                      1. -1
                        31 July 2019 04: 05
                        Lord, how old are you and where did you study?
                        Germans fought on Romanian oil, Czech tanks, Norwegian ore, etc.

                        Gospadi, people don’t even know that the grooves, panthers and tigers were Czech !!! laughing laughing laughing
                      2. 0
                        31 July 2019 18: 46
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Gospadi, people don’t even know that the grooves, panthers and tigers were Czech !!! laughing laughing laughing


                        ... the Germans fought on Romanian oil, Czech tanks ...

                        Like other countries captured by Nazi Germany in the late 30s of the XNUMXth century, the Czech Republic was forced to produce various types of weapons for the invaders, including tank armored vehicles.
                        Czech tanks produced before and during World War II - LT-35, LT-38 (better known as Pz.Kpfw.38), Hetzer self-propelled gun (about 2500 units of which were produced by the end of World War II)
                        Czech products were famous as one of the best in the world. It was distinguished by reliability and excellent performance due to the latest engineering solutions.
                        https://govorilkin.livejournal.com/524582.html
                      3. 0
                        31 July 2019 18: 49
                        The list of what the Wehrmacht received from the Czech army in 1939:
                        "In total, the Germans took themselves 254 mountain 75-mm guns, 241 80-mm field guns, 261 150-mm howitzers, 10 152-mm guns, 23 305-mm mortars and more than two thousand anti-tank guns 37-mm and 47-mm caliber ...
                        Of course, the Germans gladly replenished their arsenals with excellent Czech machine guns - fifty thousand light ZB-26 and twelve thousand easel ZB-53, fortunately, these machine guns (like the Czechoslovakian Mauser rifles) were created for the German 7.92-mm cartridge. "
                        These excellent Czech machine guns (and tens of thousands of new ones made by Czech workers during the 6 years of the protectorate's existence) shot our fathers and grandfathers on all its fronts throughout the Great Patriotic War ...
                      4. 0
                        1 August 2019 04: 01
                        Thanks cap, otherwise I didn’t know laughing Forgot to mention especially high-quality armor from which Jagdpanzer IV was made. wink
                      5. 0
                        1 August 2019 04: 07
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Forgot to mention especially high-quality armor from which Jagdpanzer IV was made. wink


                        Norwegian ore armor?
                      6. 0
                        1 August 2019 04: 08
                        That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.
            2. 0
              30 July 2019 14: 03
              Quote: Flamberg
              forgetting that the Communists themselves are to blame for the fact that the country almost fell apart when the brother went to his brother ...

              truth for the sake of not the Bolsheviks but just those who came before them
              Quote: Flamberg
              But there was a lag in the civilian sector that did not bother anyone

              the first thing you got what didn’t care, the second not in eight
              1. -3
                30 July 2019 14: 08
                truth for the sake of not the Bolsheviks but just those who came before them
                And I thought that they fought red and white, but it turns out there were some sort of sort.
                the first thing you got what didn’t care, the second not in eight
                If it worried, then the USSR would not leave for decades.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2019 15: 56
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  And I thought that fought red with white

                  uuuu
                  learn history and you will be happy
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  If it worried, then the USSR would not leave for decades.

                  what? !!!!
                  what exactly for decades? !!!
                  1. -1
                    30 July 2019 17: 26
                    In everything. Home appliances for an example.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2019 17: 54
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      Home appliances for an example.

                      it's about nothing, comparative characteristics in the studio
                    2. +1
                      31 July 2019 09: 31
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      In all.

                      Miracle, in the USSR there was such a rule, every 5 years to update products. Teach materiel, a victim of the exam.
                      1. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 35
                        Abortion victim! Niva since 1977! standing on the conveyor! with a minimum of changes! What are 5 years old? You tell your tales elsewhere!
                      2. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 39
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        with a minimum of changes! What 5 years?

                        A miracle, you are, in my opinion, one of those who can only distinguish a gas pedal with a brake, and that’s only because the instructor pressed on the ears. Take a look under the hood.
                      3. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 42
                        AND??? What will I see there ??? Injector??? fool
                      4. +1
                        31 July 2019 10: 48
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        AND??? What will I see there ??? Injector??? fool

                        Wonder, can you even distinguish candles from an injector? Yes, I thought that I met a lot of stupid people in this life, but no, I saw one more.
                      5. -1
                        31 July 2019 10: 50
                        Wonder, can you even distinguish candles from an injector? Yes, I thought that I met a lot of stupid people in this life, but no, I saw one more.
                        He looked in the mirror? Well done.
                      6. 0
                        31 July 2019 10: 53
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        He looked in the mirror?

                        Okay, come on. If I want to laugh, I know who to contact. laughing
                      7. -1
                        31 July 2019 10: 57
                        The drain is protected. Goodbye wretched.
                      8. 0
                        31 July 2019 11: 02
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Drain protected.

                        Learn to write in Russian first, an abortion victim.
                      9. -1
                        31 July 2019 11: 05
                        The storyteller go already. Everything Soviet turned out to be the main thing to nobody, after the opening of the borders. After all, if you didn’t eat carrots, then the mare’s bride.
                      10. 0
                        31 July 2019 11: 17
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        . Everything Soviet turned out to be the main thing to nobody, after the opening of the borders.

                        Yes? As one friend gave the climber the receiver to the Spaniard. He wondered for a long time how in the USSR such good things could be done. And, for example, such receivers were sold to the Japanese.
                        So, you are tired of me, miserable. Go tell tales to others how in the USSR everything was bad.
                      11. 0
                        31 July 2019 11: 32
                        And let's compare the VAZ-2109 1990 onwards. and Toyota Corona of the same year! Compare what went to the USSR and over the hill?
                      12. 0
                        31 July 2019 11: 38
                        Go ahead, compare.

                      13. 0
                        31 July 2019 12: 00
                        laughing laughing
                        Come on! The crown has a machine gun, power steering, injector, air conditioning, climate control, PEP, a comfortable and spacious velor interior, passengers do not sit behind hunched up. Reliable, unpretentious, economical car that will delight its owner.
                        The Chisel has a carburetor, a poor mechanic, a poor and cramped interior in which you need to endlessly catch crickets, behind the place for dwarfs or children. It can be considered a good car only against the background of a VAZ classic.
                        Objections?
                        And fire pictures I can do that too laughing laughing


                        It was such a car that we used to have and we bought it 15-year-old. I still remember this car with warm feelings, because for 7 years of use this car did not cause any problems at all. And we also had an old Muscovite and a VAZ 2103, I don’t remember about them at all because against the background of the crown it’s not a car, but a bucket of nuts.
          2. 0
            30 July 2019 10: 59
            Well, of course, not a crisis. belay
            So what?
            Every year, fewer and fewer domestic and domestic products were in stores.
            They did not lag behind the type in quality, they simply disappeared.
            Every year it got worse.
            Is this not a crisis?
            1. 0
              30 July 2019 14: 08
              Quote: atalef
              So what?

              the crisis is when you eat nothing and there is no work 90, for example, you
              Quote: atalef
              Every year, fewer and fewer domestic and domestic products were in stores.

              listen, I don’t know where you lived in our city of Alma-Ata, there was no hunger or problems with clothes
              Quote: atalef
              They did not lag behind the type in quality, they simply disappeared.

              what exactly were you missing, personally to you
              Quote: atalef
              Every year it got worse.

              it’s worse that they bought black caviar in three liter cans
              1. +1
                30 July 2019 19: 29
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                the crisis is when you eat nothing and there is no work 90, for example, you

                I don’t know, survived the crisis of 2001 and 2007 (in my opinion) - the most difficult financial crises.
                There was definitely something to eat, and I didn’t notice it at all.
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                listen, I don’t know where you lived in our city of Alma-Ata, there was no hunger or problems with clothes

                and in the RSFSR - it was
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                what exactly were you missing, personally to you

                Total.
                In the Kalinin region there was nothing.
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                it’s worse that they bought black caviar in three liter cans

                We probably lived in different countries.
                1. 0
                  30 July 2019 20: 27
                  Quote: atalef
                  I don’t know, survived the crisis of 2001 and 2007 (in my opinion) - the most difficult financial crises.

                  many lost their jobs, there were huge debt problems
                  Quote: atalef
                  and in the RSFSR - it was

                  specifically WHERE and WHAT was not
                  Quote: atalef
                  Total.
                  In the Kalinin region there was nothing.

                  you forgive me walked wrapped in skins and ate cats or cats the same was not ?!
                  fear God
                  Quote: atalef
                  We probably lived in different countries.

                  Well, in my naked, no one went to your place, it seemed, so in different
        3. 0
          30 July 2019 10: 34
          Quote: Flamberg
          but a third-class civilian is not a marriage.

          Wow! When I bought Sharp's TV set in 94 and connected the video recorder (I even remember the movie, "Universal Soldier" was called), I saw no difference in the quality of the show between "Sharpe" and "Horizon". Unless I was a lazy person, otherwise I was on the "Horizon" to switch channels, poked at the buttons with a fishing rod, and fired from the air.
          1. -2
            30 July 2019 10: 49
            laughing Grandchildren will tell tales of the Vienna forest. The whole country was chasing import, but you didn’t see the difference laughing .
            1. +1
              30 July 2019 10: 56
              Quote: Flamberg
              The whole country was chasing import

              That's it.
              Quote: Flamberg
              and you did not see the difference

              Exactly. The only difference is that the Sharpe had a remote control and fifty channels. And it was easier. And the image quality was no different. By the way, in the 80s, "Tempi" and "Seagulls" were plowing with might and main in video salons. If you didn’t live at that time, then you don’t need to talk about it. I had all the electronics at home of Soviet production, including the computer.
              1. -1
                30 July 2019 11: 04
                "Sharpe" had a remote control, and fifty channels. And it was easier. And the image quality was no different

                And he was reliable.
                By the way, in the 80s, "Tempi" and "Seagulls" were plowing with might and main in video salons.

                In the 80s on rotting, people already had personal videos. VHS standard Japanese back in 76 !!! implemented.
                If you didn’t live at that time, then you don’t need to be sick.

                Of course, in the 80s I walked under the table, but I remember the 90s very well.
                All the electronics at home were Soviet-made, including a computer.

                A computer that was a copy of some kind of IBM.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2019 11: 11
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  And he was reliable.

                  "Horizon" plowed for 8 years without breakdowns, then gave it to my uncle.
                  Dedov's Ocean receiver, produced in 1981, still works, without breakdowns, only the backlight bulb burned out, stuck the LED strip.
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  A computer that was a copy of some kind of IBM.

                  Analog Spectrum.
                  1. -1
                    30 July 2019 11: 22
                    "Horizon" plowed for 8 years without breakdowns, then gave it to my uncle.
                    Dedov's Ocean receiver, produced in 1981, still works, without breakdowns, only the backlight bulb burned out, stuck the LED strip.

                    So what? At my relatives, Sharpe plowed for about 20 years, if not more. In the USSR, electronics was worse and had less - this is a FACT (perhaps with rare exceptions that do not affect the overall picture). You personally may not agree with this - your right.
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2019 11: 45
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      In the USSR, electronics was worse

                      Not much worse. Do you know that an ordinary American also could not afford Grundik, but got along with budget Zenits? This I am not taking from the ceiling, it is from the words of an American, from the forum of the site "Domestic Radio Engineering". The same televisions, radios were successfully sold to capitalist countries.


                      This is only to the UK.
                      1. -1
                        30 July 2019 12: 22
                        You are trying to pull a hamster on a globe. At some point, the USSR was not competitive, but then the world stepped forward, and the USSR remained standing still.
                      2. +1
                        30 July 2019 12: 26
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        You are trying to pull a hamster on a globe. At some point, the USSR was not competitive, but then the world stepped forward, and the USSR remained standing still.

                        Let's get the facts into the studio. Where did he stay on the spot? In 1990, the British police bought Niva cars from the USSR.
                        I expect facts from you, not the idiocy of common phrases.
                      3. 0
                        30 July 2019 12: 49
                        In our family was a Toyota Corona 1990 onwards Injector. Power Steering, PEP, air conditioning, climate control, spacious velor interior. Moreover, this car is not high class !!! What was in the USSR at this time? Niva? Chisel? Shah? All this stuff with that Toyota wasn’t even nearby.
                        Computers in the USSR developed from the word in no way.
                        VHS standard since 1976. When did it appear massively in the USSR? Never!
                        The first household microwave in 1955. When did the USSR begin to produce microwave ovens and in what quantity?
                        Automatic washing machine?
                        And so on and so forth. If the overall figures are not so scary, then as the saying goes, the devil is in the details, and God is in the details.
                      4. 0
                        30 July 2019 13: 07
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Niva?

                        Let it be known to you that Niva was purchased by more than a hundred countries of the world.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Chisel?

                        You generally do not rummage in cars. The eight were created by Porsche engineers. feel
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        All this stuff with that Toyota wasn’t even nearby.

                        Yes, yes, only now Suzuki engineers gave a certificate to the chief designer of VAZ with the inscription "Godfather ..."
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        When did it appear massively in the USSR? Never!

                        Are you definitely not De Bill? Learn how radio waves were distributed in the world, and by what criteria the standards were chosen.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        When did the USSR begin to produce microwave ovens and in what quantity?

                        Why are they needed? I have this dirty trick even today.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Automatic washing machine?

                        Vyatka automatic machine. Listen, will you give me the facts, or will you start verbiage?
                      5. -1
                        30 July 2019 14: 03
                        Let it be known to you that Niva was purchased by more than a hundred countries of the world.

                        Let it be known to you that Niva was the first SUV at the time and it was cool, but in 1990 it was a morally obsolete model ... originally from the 70s.
                        You generally do not rummage in cars. The eight were created by Porsche engineers. feel
                        Created only in your fantasies. They brought small finishing work, but no more.
                        Yes, yes, only now Suzuki engineers gave a certificate to the chief designer of VAZ with the inscription "Godfather ..."
                        Again for the cornfield ... for being the first SUV ...
                        Are you definitely not De Bill? Learn how radio waves were distributed in the world, and by what criteria the standards were chosen.
                        Is this somehow related to the spread of video recorders in the USSR among citizens ??? Are you definitely not De Bill?
                        Why are they needed? I have this dirty trick even today.
                        I'm happy for you. That's how they probably sat "comrades"they decided what people needed and what not.
                        Vyatka automatic machine.
                        And that you could just go and buy it ??? Or at first it was necessary to be able to find her somewhere, and then in the queue to stand the nth time ???

                        And what about computers, as I understand it, there is nothing to argue with?
                      6. +1
                        30 July 2019 15: 35
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        but in 1990 it was a morally obsolete model ... hailing from 70's.

                        The British police did not think so. The Niva began to be produced at the end of the 70's, and at that time the decision of the frameless SUV was revolutionary. By the way, the prices for it were lowered in the USSR, I don’t remember how much, but quite significantly, either by a thousand or a half ... I forgot.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Created only in your fantasies. They finished small finishing work, but no more

                        Hehe ... The USSR paid half a billion for this "fine-tuning". What to do, we had no experience in creating front-wheel drive cars. In the eight, even the door handles are the same as the Porsche, they were too lazy to invent new ones.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Is this somehow related to the spread of video recorders in the USSR among citizens ???

                        Why are you leaving the PAL-SECAM standard?
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        And that you could just go and buy it ??? Or at first it was necessary to be able to find her somewhere, and then in the queue to stand the nth time ???

                        Count it, you could go buy it. Naturally, I was not interested in her; for example, motorcycles more worried me. And we constantly had them, of all models, except Java, Ceset, and the Urals. Scooters Tulitsa in the corner rusted, they all turned their nose away, albeit a very good clunker. So do not la la.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        And what about computers, as I understand it, there is nothing to argue with?

                        What to object? Do not understand yours. Compared to today, the USSR produced a sea of ​​computers. For a month of practice, as a student, I bought both the Spectrum computer and the Minsk motorcycle, and even left on the Sirius radio, my mother added.
                      7. -1
                        30 July 2019 16: 05
                        The British police did not think so. The Niva began to be produced at the end of the 70's, and at that time the decision of the frameless SUV was revolutionary. By the way, the prices for it were lowered in the USSR, I don’t remember how much, but quite significantly, either by a thousand or a half ... I forgot.
                        Proofs in the studio about the police of England. I wrote the first SUV. So what? In 1990, how many cornfield stood on the conveyor? The Niva has two advantages: price and maneuverability; further, disadvantages go further.
                        Hehe ... The USSR paid half a billion for this "fine-tuning". What to do, we had no experience in creating front-wheel drive cars. In the eight, even the door handles are the same as the Porsche, they were too lazy to invent new ones.
                        Have your opinion. There is an official one.
                        Why are you leaving the PAL-SECAM standard?

                        Only you have come here. I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yerema. I meant VHS cassettes and VCRs for them.
                        Count it, you could go buy it
                        And where? in your fantasies? Can you tell me how many those vyatkas were made for the entire USSR ???
                        What to object? Do not understand yours. Compared to today, the USSR produced a sea of ​​computers. For a month of practice, as a student, I bought both the Spectrum computer and the Minsk motorcycle, and even left on the Sirius radio, my mother added.
                        Well, what can I say? To whom the spectrum is a computer, and to whom the bride mare laughing
                      8. +1
                        30 July 2019 16: 13
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Proofs in the studio about the police of England.

                        Miracle, how can I give proofs if there was no Internet at that time? At all.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        I meant VHS cassettes and VCRs for them.

                        What about cassettes? Yes, the Americans gave their production to Japan, too lazy to look for evidence.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        To whom the spectrum is a computer, and to whom the bride mare

                        Miracle, Spectrum, the British released until the 95th year. I bought in 91. So have the mare yourself.
                      9. +1
                        30 July 2019 18: 34
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Have your opinion. There is an official one.

                        whose is this? !!!
                        personally GDP?
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Can you tell me how many those vyatkas were made for the entire USSR ???

                        and you generally know that until Vyatka let out a washing machine from 75
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Well, what can I say? To the spectrum of the computer

                        fool Well, it’s certainly cool to compare that time and now in terms of computerization, we didn’t have anything but for some reason our programmers were very quoted there in the 90s, do not explain
                      10. -2
                        30 July 2019 16: 11
                        Computer Spectrum

                        A search returns only one computer spectrum. This is Spectrum-001 of the early 90s on the KR580VM80A which is a functional analog of the Intel i8080A microprocessor (1974) laughing laughing laughing
                        And so yes -
                        Compared to today, the USSR produced a sea of ​​computers.

                        Let's give the country fine coal, but doh ..... laughing laughing laughing
                      11. +1
                        30 July 2019 16: 22
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        A search returns only one computer spectrum.

                        Oh you stupid ... Search, haha. This search will not give you how the Americans forbade the import of Japanese motorcycles, or an interview with Sasha the Great. But all this was. Come on, look for in an interview with Basayev, where he was in 1991, success for you.
                      12. -2
                        30 July 2019 16: 31
                        I see ... You have nothing to cover.
                      13. -1
                        30 July 2019 16: 30
                        Miracle, how can I give proofs if there was no Internet at that time? At all.
                        Reliability level - one grandmother said.
                        What about cassettes? Yes, the Americans gave their production to Japan, too lazy to look for evidence.
                        Exactly! The VHS cassette standard was released in 1976 in Japan. When did this format reach the USSR and become widespread? the answer is never.
                        Miracle, Spectrum, the British released until the 95th year. I bought in 91. So have the mare yourself.
                        Miracle in 1991 was already Intel 80486. So I would not consider a copy of Intel in 1974 an achievement. It is rather a shame for the country that first sent man into space.
                      14. 0
                        30 July 2019 16: 49
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        The miracle in 1991 was already Intel 80486.

                        Well, you are weird.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Intel 80486.

                        Well, tell me, how much did it cost?
                      15. -3
                        30 July 2019 16: 55
                        What difference does it cost if it was not the USSR that produced it, not the USSR invented it. Because the USSR lagged behind in this area by 10-20 years.
                      16. +1
                        30 July 2019 18: 31
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Count it, you could go buy it

                        He can’t, then he could only walk under the table
                      17. 0
                        30 July 2019 19: 50
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        For a month of practice, as a student, I bought both the Spectrum computer and the Minsk motorcycle, and even left on the Sirius radio, my mother added.

                        horseradish
                        Spectrum-001 is a Soviet 8-bit consumer computer, a clone of the PC Radio 86РК. It was mass-produced at the beginning of the 90-s by the Oryol Plant of UVM named after K.N.

                        Sold at a price 475 rubles

                        Motorcycle Minsk cost 350 rubles
                        Sirius stood for 220 p
                        Is this you who earned a month of practice 900?
                        Your deeds are wonderful.
                        You just worked as an academician in practice.
                        The first secretary of the regional committee received a salary 450-500 rubles
                        Senior steelmaker - up to 600 rubles shop manager - 500 rubles,
                      18. 0
                        30 July 2019 20: 48
                        Quote: atalef
                        Is this you who earned a month of practice 900?

                        Yes something like that. I was still indignant when they stopped giving us money.
                      19. 0
                        30 July 2019 20: 55
                        In 90, I was paid a little over a thousand
                      20. 0
                        31 July 2019 11: 26
                        Quote: atalef
                        Sold at the price of 475 rubles

                        Bullshit. I bought for 350 if sclerosis does not change me.
                      21. +1
                        30 July 2019 18: 30
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        And what about computers, as I understand it, there is nothing to argue with?

                        Do not tell me how many PCs were in the West at that time ?!
                      22. +1
                        30 July 2019 18: 29
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Niva? Chisel? Shah?

                        tell me what car is for you ?!
                        we didn’t have a car in our family, although I could buy it, I didn’t need it, I took 40 minutes by bus from one end of the city to the Soviet Union, in 2007 I got an hour and a half by car, the question is what is the advantage ?!
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        The first household microwave in 1955. When did the USSR begin to produce microwave ovens and in what quantity?

                        ??
                        it turns out that my life was terrible, I had to cutlets had to reheat on free gas
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Automatic washing machine?

                        it wasn’t, there were others, only if you are 55 years old then, for your information, by this time tanks were still lined in the fields
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        If the overall figures are not so scary, then as the saying goes, the devil is in the details, and God is in the details.

                        it’s precisely in the LITTLE THINGS, there were no washers, but the prices for the communal apartment were such that it was west of envy, there were no microwaves, but I visited a lot of circles for FREE, including what today and for money not everyone is available
                        there were no cars with Condors, so public transport went for 3-5 cents
                        Now tickets in large from 20000 thousand in the USSR 3 (THREE) rubles
                        that is, even the janitor could afford it
                      23. -2
                        31 July 2019 04: 34
                        laughing laughing laughing
                        In the USSR, something was not there, something could not be found, it was simply wretched, but then CHEAP OR FOR FREE !!!
                        You know, you reminded me of a joke
                        The hussars decided to play a trick on Rzhevsky. He was invited to dinner, but there was one less device on the table than the invitees, and one chair was missing. When the owners called to the table, the warned sat down, and the lieutenant was left without a seat .. Then, pacing behind the seated, he began to take from the table everything he found necessary.
                        - Gentlemen, Obolensky asked, do you know what the difference is between man and cattle?
                        - No! - the rest hussars answered amicably.
                        “People eat while sitting, and animals while standing,” Obolensky answered with a general laugh.
                        “And here it is,” Rzhevsky objected calmly, taking once again something tasty from the table. - A man eats what he likes, and cattle - what they give.
                      24. +1
                        31 July 2019 07: 05
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        A man eats what he likes, and cattle - what they give.

                        I understand that you called yourself cattle chewing a chemical sausage without meat, washed down with a milk drink without milk?
                        for me, a car and home appliances things that can make life a little more comfortable are good, there is no problem, but for you these are status things and you are not a step in social status lower in your own eyes
                      25. 0
                        31 July 2019 08: 02
                        I understand that you called yourself cattle chewing a chemical sausage without meat, washed down with a milk drink without milk?

                        Even if I chew chemical sausage and drink it with a milk drink without milk, although this is your nonsense, THIS IS MY CHOICE, I’m not a cattle so that they decide for me what I eat and what not and what kind of household appliances I need and which ones I don’t need! !! If I need any things or products, I want to go to the store to choose what I need, and not look for a pull or wait for years. Yes and no need to tell tales about high-quality Soviet sausage.
                        for me, a car and home appliances things that can make life a little more comfortable are good, there is no problem, but for you these are status things and you are not a step in social status lower in your own eyes

                        What kind of nonsense are you ??? They asked what the USSR was lagging behind? Did you get an answer?
                        can make life a little more comfortable

                        Wash with your hands or on a semiautomatic device, and then talk nonsense about "a little more comfortable", not everyone lived in comfortable apartments with warm water! My mother, after buying a vending machine, could not get enough of it that it was not necessary to put a srach on the floor of the house when washing.
                        and for you these are status things

                        Do not attribute your fantasies to me.
                      26. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 17
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        My mother, after buying an automatic machine, could not get enough of it that it was not necessary to breed srach on the floor of the house when washing.

                        Yes, you also turn out to be a pig. laughing
                      27. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 20
                        Are you reading something diagonally ?? Or too complicated for you? I even assume that you have selective blindness and you ignore uncomfortable things in my posts. fool
                      28. 0
                        31 July 2019 09: 22
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Are you reading something diagonally ??

                        What do you want me to say that there were no washing machines in the USSR? I disappoint you, were.
                      29. -1
                        31 July 2019 09: 47
                        Are these these?

                        So you do not upset me, you make me laugh. This is not a washing machine; this is a shame.
                      30. 0
                        31 July 2019 10: 44
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        it's a shame.

                        You yourself are a disgrace to your parents. Here is a foreign device for you.
                      31. -1
                        31 July 2019 10: 52
                        AND? What's next? There was a choice abroad, but not in the USSR. The USSR could launch a snowstorm into space, but could not make an automatic machine. Vyatka copy ariston, etc. etc.
                      32. 0
                        31 July 2019 10: 58
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        There was a choice abroad, but not in the USSR.

                        What? Yes, just as my dad took me to buy a tape recorder in the 80 store, so my eyes and scattered in different directions. Well, tell me, where is our radio equipment now?
                      33. 0
                        31 July 2019 08: 12
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        and cattle - what they give.
                        by the way FIG you feed the cattle something that she does not like, well, except perhaps from hunger, so from hunger and a man eats quinoa
                      34. -2
                        31 July 2019 08: 15
                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Like in the USSR. You can buy wretched junk, but you can’t buy it. The breadth of choice is impressive)))
                      35. +1
                        31 July 2019 09: 01
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        You can buy wretched junk, but you can’t buy it.

                        you’re funny, you’ve never been able to answer the worse, because for you it doesn’t matter, the main thing for you is the band.
                        at that time there were people who wore sunglasses without peeling off the shirt so that everyone would see - wirmа, so here you are from these, you do not have to go, you checkers

                        p / s / can you say what exactly do you call Junk, or again merge?
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                      37. +1
                        31 July 2019 09: 19
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        cars, household appliances, clothes were all worse or outdated. Do you need to repeat the same thing ten times?

                        you do not answer, YOU DRAIN, specifically WHEREOF, do not snot on a plate and they become aware of, namely, the quality of materials, threads, microcircuits, etc.
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        And it was not a cool and not a status car, but an ordinary ass truck.

                        very - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WRITE
                      38. -1
                        31 July 2019 09: 26
                        you do not answer, YOU DRAIN, specifically WHEREOF, do not snot on a plate and they become aware of, namely, the quality of materials, threads, microcircuits, etc.
                        Specifically, the absence is worse, where do ordinary people have VCRs? Automatic washing machines? Microwaves? Game consoles in children ?. I gave you an example of a car, but you somehow do not notice. I know I'm tired of "throwing pearls in front of pigs."
                        very - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WRITE

                        Come on? Enlighten, please.
                      39. 0
                        31 July 2019 15: 58
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        I gave you an example of a car

                        can you say the more comfortable raf transporter?
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Microwaves?

                        stop blunting, we didn’t need them, there were no washing machines everywhere the machines were simple, with the Vidic you got them tired in the west
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        Come on? Enlighten, please.

                        not horse feed
                      40. 0
                        31 July 2019 16: 30
                        can you say the more comfortable raf transporter?

                        I didn’t use it, I don’t know, but you can get higher than Toyota than a comfortable nine. I painted a comrade Mordvin.
                        stop dumb, we didn’t need them

                        Who do you have? Who gave you the right to decide for the whole union ??? Not until the fig, do you take on yourself not respected?
                        , there were no washers everywhere machines were simple, with the Vidic you got tired of them in the west it was straight
                        Pitiful excuses ...
                        not horse feed

                        So say that they’ve frozen garbage laughing laughing laughing
                      41. 0
                        30 July 2019 19: 33
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Let's get the facts to the studio. Where did he stay in place?

                        Damn, it’s not clear, who are you trying to prove to whom?
                        What in the USSR are consumer goods, their accessibility and quality was like in the west?
                        You read these campaigns to foreigners, I was born in the USSR, studied and served the army.
                        I know the truth.
                        And he lived in St. Petersburg and not in a muzhos.
                        Although the city of Nelidovo, the Kalinin region (where 1977-1980 had to live) was no different from a muhosk.
                      42. 0
                        30 July 2019 18: 19
                        Quote: Flamberg
                        At some point, the USSR was not competitive, but then the world stepped forward, and the USSR remained standing still.

                        you are aware that for example this is a standing Union in a fully automatic mode, the first to land a reusable ship

                        ps the us survived the 90s only due to the collapse of the USSR
                    2. 0
                      30 July 2019 18: 16
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      In the USSR, electronics was worse and had less - this is a FACT

                      can you prove this "fact" ?!
                      at that time you were at that age when that sharpe that rainbow is single-figured, what exactly is worse, picture tubes are not high-quality, something else ?!
                  2. 0
                    30 July 2019 16: 11
                    The ocean was a thing along with VEF-201, in the evening on the shoulder and along the avenue to listen to music and lure the girls. And there were the Climber, Speedola and others, but the coolest first two. Where are my seventeen years old .....?
                    1. 0
                      30 July 2019 16: 44
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      but the coolest first two.

                      But no. crying Ocean, VEF, only second class receivers. But "Leningrad", "Salute", this is a thing. Well, the truth is, the Bulgarian Georgiev made a round-the-world trip with VEF. And here is my Ocean, I'm sorry
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2019 16: 51
                        I only heard about Leningrad, but I don’t remember about Salute even today. Had from what it was. I exchanged my old little portable tape recorder Spring for cool hockey skates Extra, so I took the darling away. And I forgot the most important thing, they caught VHF great and we learned a lot of all sorts of interesting things from western radio stations.
                      2. 0
                        30 July 2019 17: 01
                        Quote: Ros 56
                        portable tape recorder Spring

                        We have a spring in techies a whole bunch was. About a dozen. Computers downloaded from them. And then they put Vysotsky, and these, Combinas, and Gazmanov. laughing But some kind of bad skates were, my legs parted in different directions. And when he first got on the plastic, he rolled right away.
                2. +1
                  30 July 2019 18: 14
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  Of course, in the 80s I walked under the table, but I remember the 90s very well.

                  and now you say that the 90s were better in terms of living? !!!
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  In 80 on rotting, people already had personal videos.

                  in the 80s, many in the west could not even dream of the 2nd in Khrushchev and our utility bills
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  A computer that was a copy of some kind of IBM.

                  Can you imagine my father didn’t have the same personal
                3. 0
                  31 July 2019 09: 35
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  In 80 on rotting, people already had personal videos.

                  I guess I watched porn in the 89 house, and I rented a video in Goskino.
            2. 0
              30 July 2019 14: 09
              chased not because it’s better, but because they thought they were better
              1. 0
                30 July 2019 14: 11
                AND!!! So they were just stupid! They probably did not understand what was worse, what was better.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2019 15: 55
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  So they were just stupid!

                  ue
                  I correctly understood about "they" you did not live then?
                  1. -1
                    30 July 2019 16: 56
                    I was too small then to bother with such things.
                    1. +1
                      30 July 2019 17: 55
                      that is, personally, you write and argue about what you personally do not know? !!!
                      creatively
          2. +2
            30 July 2019 11: 03
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Flamberg
            but a third-class civilian is not a marriage.

            Wow! When I bought Sharp's TV set in 94 and connected the video recorder (I even remember the movie, "Universal Soldier" was called), I saw no difference in the quality of the show between "Sharpe" and "Horizon". Unless I was a lazy person, otherwise I was on the "Horizon" to switch channels, poked at the buttons with a fishing rod, and fired from the air.

            Of course, I didn’t notice - the kinescope was Toshiba
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              30 July 2019 11: 21
              Quote: atalef
              Of course, I didn’t notice - the kinescope was Toshiba

              Yes? I didn’t know that the 61LK4T type kinescope is Toshiba.
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                30 July 2019 12: 56
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: atalef
                Of course, I didn’t notice - the kinescope was Toshiba

                Yes? I didn’t know that the 61LK4T type kinescope is Toshiba.

                Do you still remember the brand of picture tube?
                I envy the memory.
                Or slammed from the Internet?
                Well of course not.
                I remember - like at night I woke up to answer a tooth.
                I had a horizon, and he had a Toshiba picture tube.
                the limit of Soviet man’s dreams was considered to be the Horizon Ts-355 TV, which was produced at the Minsk Radio Plant since 1986. This television set was an incredibly scarce device - people were ready to pay significant amounts for the right to buy such a device at home.



                The fact is that, unlike other Soviet TVs, the Horizon Ts-355 was equipped with a Japanese Toshiba picture tube with a beam deflection angle of 90 degrees. Therefore, the TV did not require additional image adjustment, and was also much more reliable than receivers with domestic components
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                  30 July 2019 13: 14
                  Quote: atalef
                  Do you still remember the brand of picture tube?

                  No, it's just that I am, among other things, a radio amateur, and often visit the site "Domestic radio engineering".
                  Quote: atalef
                  I had a horizon, and he had a Toshiba picture tube.

                  There were many models.
                  I have this:
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    30 July 2019 08: 43
    Imperialism kept on decaying, this time at 3.2% of global average annual growth.
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    31 July 2019 23: 40
    A sign of the crisis is that with overproduction, capitalists will prefer to destroy food products than to distribute them to the starving. In the meantime, the crisis is still far away and you can sleep peacefully.

    The logic of capitalism is focused on minimizing costs and maximizing profits, and not on meeting the needs of people. The immorality of the capitalist economy is that it put at the forefront not the creation of material wealth, but profit-making as an end in itself.
    This is observed especially in financial sector, which has ceased to serve the needs of the real sector of the economy and has turned into a thing "in itself", virtually not connected with the real economy, and producing "profit" out of thin air (and at the same time receiving much higher incomes than producers).