Understanding Moscow. Depart from Kiev to a safe distance.

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After the victory for the President of Ze in the parliament in Ukraine, the struggle continues. But nationally elected Vladimir Zelensky is still a powerless president. The real power in the country, the power structures remained for the neo-Nazi nationalists, whom President Ze simply fears, so he quickly withdrew from the pre-election to the nationalist Russophobic positions, but this does not save him from attacks. Nazi patriots openly threaten and humiliate him completely fearlessly and go unpunished. Why?





What is “power”?


One of the most widely used today in Ukraine “Ze” causes the Nazis poor associations with “Che”. After the dissolution of “their” nationalist Rada, they don’t believe Zelensky, and still suspect him of a double game. It is said that “power is to live in vigor”, it seems that many “servants of the people” believe in it, they say, there is some “magic power of power” that allows you to manage power structures, economic relations and individual oligarchs. But the main “servant of the people” quickly realized that power was first of all a “big responsibility”, and if he could not cope with it, his head would fly off first. And passed all their election positions.

Supporters of President Ze do not understand what is happening (or pretend), and loudly perplexed, and continue to hope. For some reason they have forgotten that Zelensky defeated the “Poroshenko regime” at the elections not only by protest voting, but also thanks to the forceful support of the Interior Ministry Arsen Avakov and the “National Squads” by Andrei Biletsky. Avakov, in turn, was pressured in Washington during his hasty business trip to America at the beginning of this year, but after the elections to the Rada, the American ambassador first of all visited Poroshenko and Vakarchuk, and not Zelensky's triumphant, visits to outsiders.

The main founders of post-Maid Ukraine in the United States do not inform the general public about their future plans, the “quiet Americans” pay protocol visits. Real power - it is always “quiet”, speaks in a low voice, but everyone hears it. But the eloquent Zelensky is not heard, and will not be heard until he surrenders to the “presidential minimum” - at least he does not master the power levers of government in the country, he will not prove that he is not a decoration from the film “Servant of the People”.

Not Macron


In general, Vladimir Zelensky showed results in elections that exceeded the achievements of the French President Emmanuel Macron, but Vladimir Zelensky did not become a Ukrainian Macron, and he is unlikely to have time to become. Elections, especially protest ones, are never given anywhere by the authorities themselves, as many experts shout and wonder from their shouts: why does Zelensky not take power into his own hands? Not fulfilling your campaign promises? He cannot take power into his own hands, this sort of trophy he won in the elections.

Democratic elections legitimize the existing power in the country, feel the difference. Thus, the presidential election of Macron was made legitimate by the power of the French financial elites, special services and the media behind it. Whose power was made legitimate by the Zelensky election? Only his personally and "95 quarter". Even if the oligarch Kolomoisky is standing behind Zelensky, what many people say, but that is far from a fact, it will not be enough to control today's nationalized Ukraine.

Democratic elections are sanctification by some elites of the country of their power, as if “holy communion” on behalf of the people, in the absence of an abolished god, and they always seek this “holy communion” one way or another, at worst - imitate, falsify. Therefore, “democracy can be very bad,” its connoisseur Winston Churchill had fraud, but nothing better has been invented by the “democrats” in the world.

Will Zelensky be a “power”?


As long as democracy declares itself “the power of the people,” it is also a game under various “folk” masks, and until it ends one way or another, all its participants have chances. And, of course, the formally strongest political figure - the president.

As a result of the elections to the Rada, Viktor Medvedchuk's Opposition Platform - For Life, which stands for normalizing relations with Russia, became the second political force. It has financial and other resources, and this is very disturbing to the nationalists, perhaps even more than Zelensky himself. Yulia Tymoshenko’s “Batkivshchyna” is in the third place of honor, also having certain resources and levers of influence.

Zelensky urgently needs to make some choice, roughly speaking, to “sell” his legitimacy to someone. Those who have real power, political and financial resources, and agree to it, so eloquent, "buy." Otherwise, he will be "destroyed" in the words of the Nazi radicals. The option is to surrender to the radicals as a prisoner, to accept all their demands, as Poroshenko did at the time, when the Nazi ideologue, director of the “memory institute,” Vyatrovich, became completely under the nationalists.

Poroshenko has already announced the creation of a broad nationalist front to fight Zelensky, as well as for his own life, already aggravated by prosecution. The influence of the Nazi-patriots in the law enforcement agencies is beginning to erode, they understand this, just as the fact that the power of Zelensky and his team will be consolidated. The threat of a new nationalist coup d'état seems real, until Zelensky “sold” his legitimacy to some elite group, and it did not become his power and financial resource. Although the conflict in some form between the nationalists and the Opposition Platform in the country, in the broad sense of the word, cannot be avoided. Obviously, Medvedchuk’s “Hacker” will be put up with the “hand of Moscow” and personally accused Putin of interfering in Ukraine’s affairs.

"Moscow does not believe in tears"


It seems that Moscow understands where the Ukrainian “Titanic” is swimming, this is indicated by Putin’s decrees on the simplified acquisition of Russian citizenship by the residents of Donbass and the introduction of June sanctions against Kiev. Moscow is trying to move away at a safe distance from new, very possible events in Ukraine. She does not believe that Washington will leave its Ukrainian colony alone, having held “safe and fair” elections there.

The Americans play out “democracy” in the Ukraine in the end, handing over the head of the Interior Minister Arsen Avakov with power in the country, as it were, to the people represented by the popularly elected President Zelensky. However, now it is possible to blame this people on everything that they have done over the past years with Ukraine and what else Bandera Nazi patriots, fostered by the US Democratic Party under President Barack Obama, will do with it.
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  1. +13
    27 July 2019 05: 06
    In principle, I agree with the respected Author, although the "picture" is gloomy (for me, Ukrainian Russian) turns out, because, almost 100%, I know how the "banded" Ze will act who called the residents of Donbass killed by the banderonazis very bad words and still, already in the role of the "guarantor of the Constitution of Ukraine", has not brought his public apology for this!). winked
    1. +10
      27 July 2019 05: 38
      Quote: pishchak
      ... while still in the role of a touring jester from the "95th quarter", who publicly called the inhabitants of Donbass killed by the banderonazis very bad words and still, already in the role of "guarantor of the Constitution of Ukraine", has not made his public apologies for this!).

      It is very likely that this was not a role, but an inner content. I would also add that in the role of a fighter for justice, etc. "Banded Ze" was also during the pre-election campaign, and now he has again become who he is.
      1. +4
        27 July 2019 06: 04
        So I'm talking about the same, dear AlexVas44!
        It is obvious that the Russophobic "Bandera larva" is already firmly embedded in Zebbelsukh's "spooked" brains! Since he was such that his ears were wilting, "Svidomo" carried (not at all embarrassed by the video recording, humiliatingly flirting in front of the "heroes of the ATO" with this disgusting "belligerence"!) On his fellow citizens, who were desperately not reconciled with the Ameroholui "Maidan" coup d'etat, fellow citizens!
        1. -36
          27 July 2019 10: 00
          Quote: pishchak
          It is obvious that the Russophobic "Bandera larva" is already firmly embedded in Zebbelsukh's "guandered" brains.

          Strange you and strange comments.
          Russia did nothing to gain the trust and respect of the Ukrainians (I certainly understand your desire and strange confidence that you need to love and respect a priori only because you are Russian, because it was you who won the WWII, because God is with you and in general, in the series of bringing good and justice, you are the first to follow the elves)
          But in reality, this does not work.
          You can say that Russia once allocated 100 thousand dough to Ukraine - but a simple resident did not see or feel it - they understood that it was yours and their oligarchs sawed the ball.
          You talked about the best and cheapest gas in the world - but the Ukrainian saw that gas was more expensive for Ukraine than for Germany.
          Your government sawed money with the Ukrainian government - that’s what they saw.
          Expensive gas - they saw.
          Trade Wars initiated by Russia - they saw
          Not recognition of their country, country (official propaganda of the Russian Federation) - they saw it
          They returned Crimea like that — they saw it, but actually took their piece of land from them (despite all the agreements on the recognition of borders and security guarantees) —that they saw.
          There is no type of ikhtam, and Russia has nothing to do with the mishap in the Donbass — they saw the same thing.
          Everyday slop poured onto their country by Russian propaganda - they see the same thing.
          So why love you?


          Quote: pishchak
          on their fellow citizens, who desperately did not reconcile themselves to the Ameroholui "Maidan" coup d'etat!

          do not smack nonsense, it hurts.
          There, where the Shooters will not reach, they are not there - a quiet, peaceful, calm life.
          Not so long ago I was in Kiev and Lviv.
          Lviv is generally a fairy tale.
          Excellent cuisine, quiet, calm, respectful service and excellent impressions.
          In this case, of course, it is worth noting that I do not know Ukrainian at all.
          from the word at all.
          In Kiev, of course, it’s a little porter than in Lviv (there are simply more people) - but it’s not fundamentally different.
          Quiet, calm, cheap, excellent service and everything in Russian.
          1. +6
            27 July 2019 10: 26
            Well, yes, an old song, like, we all owe.
          2. +28
            27 July 2019 10: 52
            Quote: atalef
            Russia has not done anything to gain the trust and respect of Ukrainians

            And we don’t owe you anything. This is your country and your life. You have cheated all this on the heap, and so do it. The truth is, according to your logic, you just have to produce manure, and others should rake it. But it is in your unhealthy head that such designs are rooted. But in life you have to pay for all your sins. So yourself and pay for your inflated conceit and expectations.
            Quote: atalef
            but what exactly did you win in WWII

            We, just, have always stressed that the multinational people of the USSR won the war. And here you have a "story" about the Ukrainian Front, made up of Ukrainians. Apparently the Wehrmacht's GA "Northern Ukraine" was born in the same way? Something you don't remember her laughing In short, correct yourself - come, no - .... well, that means there will be even less of you ...
            1. +4
              27 July 2019 10: 57
              Ummm ... you are talking to a man from Israel feel

              If you do not know who Atalef is in PM, I will briefly explain.
              1. +13
                27 July 2019 11: 31
                Yes, we know. But now he is "Yagruzin". That is, "Yashumer" is natural. It is clear that the Russophobe is of the first order. And then what difference does it make to whom he belongs. There is no time to understand the varieties.
              2. +11
                27 July 2019 11: 39
                An emigrant guardian for nenka, an ardent Russophobe.
            2. +6
              27 July 2019 12: 12
              Do not forget about the division "Galicia", and about the "Roland" and about the "Nachtigall".
            3. -15
              27 July 2019 14: 48
              Quote: Den717
              And we don’t owe you anything

              I definitely don’t. I live in Israel
              Now, if we are talking about Ukraine, then what would you want from them, if a priori they don’t owe anything?
              Why do they owe you?
              Quote: Den717
              The truth is, according to your logic, you only need to produce manure, and others should rake

              others who is this?
              Nobody asks you to scoop their dung.
              Quote: Den717
              b. And in life you have to pay for all your sins

              you pay your debts, they are yours.
              But they don’t get to you with their debts, so what do you want from them?
              Quote: Den717
              We, just, have always stressed that the multinational people of the USSR won the war. And here you have a "story" about the Ukrainian Front, made up of Ukrainians.

              And? Now what ? Someone blurted out and that's it.
              Brotherhood apart?
              Quote: Den717
              Apparently the Wehrmacht's GA "Northern Ukraine" was born in the same way?

              Well, I think you should not list the Russian units of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
              Both have enough shame.
              1. +2
                27 July 2019 23: 53
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Den717
                And we don’t owe you anything

                I definitely don’t. I live in Israel
                Now, if we are talking about Ukraine, then what would you want from them, if a priori they don’t owe anything?
                Why do they owe you?
                Quote: Den717
                The truth is, according to your logic, you only need to produce manure, and others should rake

                others who is this?
                Nobody asks you to scoop their dung.
                Quote: Den717
                b. And in life you have to pay for all your sins

                you pay your debts, they are yours.
                But they don’t get to you with their debts, so what do you want from them?
                Quote: Den717
                We, just, have always stressed that the multinational people of the USSR won the war. And here you have a "story" about the Ukrainian Front, made up of Ukrainians.

                And? Now what ? Someone blurted out and that's it.
                Brotherhood apart?
                Quote: Den717
                Apparently the Wehrmacht's GA "Northern Ukraine" was born in the same way?

                Well, I think you should not list the Russian units of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
                Both have enough shame.

                Well, that's why you "got into" this "topic"?
                "I am tormented by vague suspicions" (c) what
              2. +12
                28 July 2019 15: 47
                For your praise of Lviv - do you know what was happening in Lviv at the beginning of the war? The cruel executions of Jews, intelligentsia and communists? By whom? Bandera. The Wehrmacht was shocked by their "creations." Further, Poroshenko is very pleased, “that the Bandera spirit is alive,” including in Lviv. You hit the road in Israel for 40 varieties of sausage and remember that 2000 years ago Moses drove-drove, and did not finish. And what did your tribesmen do 75 years ago, those in whose honor the streets in Lviv are named you don’t remember? Atalef, do not disgrace, but hide somewhere and keep silent.
              3. +4
                28 July 2019 20: 26
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Den717
                Apparently the Wehrmacht's GA "Northern Ukraine" was born in the same way?

                Well, I think you should not list the Russian units of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
                Both have enough shame.


                They are traitors in Russia, and heroes in Ukraine. That is the difference between us.
                I could also tell how some Jews drove others into gas chambers, but this is not the point here.
          3. +8
            27 July 2019 11: 29
            They didn’t give free money to eat from the belly?
            Indeed, why should they love us?
            In Nazi Germany, by the way, everything was fine too - quiet, calm, excellent service.
            Do you speak Crimea?
            Well, how do you like? What would we feed you, give you drink, and you, under the Americans, our enemies, lay down with giblets? Yes, and so that we would be really bad.
            Russia is a superpower, no matter what they say. She has her own security interests, not just the United States. So the world is arranged.
            1. +5
              28 July 2019 20: 31
              Quote: Mestny
              Do you speak Crimea?

              And not from Israel to talk about the territories that aphids joined in a different way. Only in one territory, joined as a result of the referendum, the people are happy about this, and in the other “joined” territory, the people constantly arrange intifada. As the saying goes - feel the difference!
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          4. +17
            27 July 2019 11: 38
            Yes Yes Yes. And under the "Red Director" for his slogan, Ukraine is not Russia, which has become the main principle of the Ukrainian authorities, should Russia kiss in the ass? What else should Russia do? And not 100 billion, but under 200. And the people felt this, and not just the oligarchs, compare the hryvnia exchange rate and don’t rub your rubbish, then and now enterprises, GDP, and real incomes of the population? You better deal with your Israel. Sorry for Ukraine? So give her money without interest? And what else should Russia? To tear them away and give them away so that Jewish immigrants from Ukraine nod approvingly? Dust not swallow dust?
            1. +3
              27 July 2019 12: 15
              Yes, no matter how much you do not give them all a little. As in the army they say "How many soldiers do not kiss in the ass ..."
          5. +8
            27 July 2019 12: 09
            "atalef" I read your comments and dropped that they should not do any good, you take it for granted and immediately start spitting on our compote. Therefore, it is better to stay away from you, live but do not meddle with us. As already from your chatter my head hurts.
            1. +3
              28 July 2019 20: 37
              Quote: tihonmarine
              no good should be done like that, you take it for granted and immediately begin to spit in our compote.

              Somehow "lazia" on ukroSMI at the beginning of 14 came across a dialogue between a Russian and a Ukrainian. The Russian writes, they say, why are you against us, we are brothers. They gave you $ 3 billion to support your economy. To which the Ukrainian replies that it is good that they gave 3 billion dollars. We will use them, and then we will spit in your face!
              That, I think, says it all.
          6. +5
            27 July 2019 12: 15
            Quote: atalef
            So why love you?

            No one asks for love. Elementary foundations in international relations are needed. Well, the fact that Lviv is a fairy tale and excellent cuisine, and Berlin far from the front was also not bad.
          7. +23
            27 July 2019 13: 30
            For me you are strange, atalef, - "Israeli daughter (son) of a Crimean officer", eh ?! wink Or maybe you are "wiped" - "dung" ?! Indeed, in the gang of the "White Fuhrer" many Jewish Nazis, including those from Israel, murdered and murder, betraying the Memory of the Holocaust - they are at the same time with the Banderlog-ideological and direct heirs of Hitler's henchmen, to whom these "Yubermenschs" are "pan-European civilizers of subhumans "entrusted the most disgusting, savage mass executions of the civilian population, sparing neither women, nor helpless children, nor the elderly, nor the sick, nor the wounded!

            Are you telling me, an "ordinary Ukrainian citizen" in such a "patronizing" manner "about" Ukrainian life "?! smile
            Well, then, if you remember, tell us about the Yushchenko-Timoshenko "stinking gas schemes", which after the Ameroholuy "orange Maidan" and the ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL planting of the "third-year" Washington puppet immediately doubled the price of gas for the Ukrainian population, since the Russian citizen Dioxin additionally denounced it in 2011 gas at $ 50 per thousand cubic meters, stating that gas for "independent" Ukraine cannot be so cheap!
            He also brought down the Ukrainian hryvnia to as much as 10 hryvnia for $ 1 (then Prime Minister Yanukovych managed to stabilize it in the region of 7-8 hryvnia per dollar), and every New Year of his anti-national "rule" Yusch began with a "gas war", at the behest their Washington masters "shutting off the valve" and blackmailing Europe with the alleged "unreliability of Russian gas suppliers" ...
            This American "patriot" -Banderlog did not put the interests and needs of the Ukrainian population and Ukraine into a penny! Since then, these "negarazdy" with gas began and the sky-high increase in its price for the Ukrainian population by "Ukrainian" hucksters, regardless of any benefits and discounts provided by Russia! ...
            The fact that Moscow "businessmen" have always interacted with Kiev "businessmen", no one denies, it was not hidden, and I write the same in my comments! request

            Regarding the "fabulous" Lviv, a hotbed of Bandera gangrenous infection and a source of all-Ukrainian (transported by dump trucks all over Ukraine!) Stinking Lviv garbage!
            Any foreigner, for his money, hereditary Lviv Chaldeans will serve in "the best possible way" and in any language - you just show them "pennies", but, God forbid, not the whole wallet! smile
            And to the Jews (usually in Zapukriya they call it in Polish, well, or in Austro-German), Lviv has a "traditionally" special attitude - you, together with us, Russians, see the Banderlog as "special" and when they gather in a large herd, feeling his impunity, loudly and "voyovnycho", to foam from the mouth, with might and main "volayut" about this, about "... on knives"!
            So be careful with these "storytellers", I'm not talking about banal spitting in "kava" - this is, so to speak, service seeds, but about the hyped anti-Semites-Russophobes, all sorts of "heroes of the ATO" with "itchy hands" who have become skilled in robberies and murder, accustomed to this to get themselves "unearned income" ... for the time being, smiling and hypocritically asking you nicely and hypocritically: "De tse, have you poached banderivtsi? Yih katma!" ... returned safe and sound, and not robbed to the skin in Izlvovsk train (as everyone knows Smakarevich) in this "arrival", and well, but do not brag - Luck is capricious, it can turn away!

            About the alleged "nonsense that hurts" - so do not blow it backhand, atalef, do not "go over the ears" of the Russians so "masterly", with their Goebbels "home preparations" "about Strelkov" and everything else ... after all, after May, 2014, Odessa "kebabs" to everyone who is "in the subject", it became immediately clear who and what "got" and a stream of volunteers from all over the world poured into Donbass to fight and protect Donetsk residents from the attack of the Nazi beast, a "universal" sadistic rabble collected, trained and coached by Washington and his mongrels!
            In prison there is also a "quiet, peaceful and calm life" .... and "service", but this is just an intense "appearance"! Yes
            1. +6
              27 July 2019 13: 40
              Quote: pishchak
              "Israeli daughter (son) of a Crimean officer", eh?

              Belarusian. And Zhinka is from Kiev, he goes there for lard. wink
              1. +7
                27 July 2019 13: 41
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                he goes there for fat

                Kosher belay

                In general, Atalef is really a "special" of the 88th level. To dissolve such a flame out of the blue is a talent you must have, you just can't learn it laughing
                1. +4
                  27 July 2019 13: 50
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Kosher

                  In my opinion, a pig is a non-kosher product, because although it is a cloven-hoofed animal, it is not ruminant. However, for me kosher food is like a dense forest. I don’t understand how they sort the eggs there with blunt ends on both sides. laughing
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              2. -3
                27 July 2019 20: 50
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: pishchak
                "Israeli daughter (son) of a Crimean officer", eh?

                Belarusian. And Zhinka is from Kiev, he goes there for lard. wink

                What is the fright of the Belarusian?
                1. +1
                  27 July 2019 20: 52
                  Quote: atalef
                  What is the fright of the Belarusian?

                  If my memory wasn’t completely lost, then you wrote that from the BSSR. Or bounced off?
                  1. -3
                    27 July 2019 21: 45
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: atalef
                    What is the fright of the Belarusian?

                    If my memory wasn’t completely lost, then you wrote that from the BSSR. Or bounced off?

                    bent off feel
                    I am from Leningrad request
                    1. +2
                      27 July 2019 21: 48
                      Quote: atalef
                      bent off
                      I am from Leningrad

                      Then I apologize. Probably beguiled with Rabinovich. (Sorry, you can’t see him).
                    2. +2
                      27 July 2019 21: 54
                      Quote: atalef
                      From Leningrad

                      Quote: Vysotsky
                      In Leningrad-city, at the Five Corners,
                      Got in the face Sanya Sokolov ...
                      He sang non-musical, scandalized,
                      Well, that means - right, that they gave

                      Alexander, hi

                      I can’t say that I share your thoughts and positions, but I admire your technique of communication Yes
                    3. 0
                      2 August 2019 22: 43
                      He’s lying. By pretext it is visible.
          8. +7
            27 July 2019 13: 42
            So for ... loving you? ....
            _____________________________________
            He rolled his lips. We love you - n .... t.
            You have nothing to love us for. And we do not set ourselves such tasks.
            We returned the Crimea, but this is far from all that we intend to return.
            But the main task is the physical destruction of Bandera by helping one of the parties in the civil war in Ukraine. Guess what.
            I think it will begin soon.
          9. -1
            27 July 2019 17: 12
            Quote: atalef
            Strange you and strange comments.
            Russia did nothing to gain the trust and respect of the Ukrainians (I certainly understand your desire and strange belief that you need to love and respect a priori only because you are Russian, for what exactly did you win in WWII, because God is with you and in general, in the series of bringing good and justice, you are the first to follow the elves).
            But in reality, this does not work.
            You can say that Russia at one time allocated 100 thousand billion dough to Ukraine - but a simple resident did not see or feel it - they understood that it was yours and their oligarchs sawed loot.
            You talked about the best and cheapest gas in the world - but the Ukrainian saw that gas was more expensive for Ukraine than for Germany.
            Your government sawed money with the Ukrainian government - that’s what they saw.
            Expensive gas - they saw.
            Trade wars initiated by Russia-they saw ....
            ... So why should they love you?



            I agree, and in principle it is true - the Russians did nothing to gain the trust and respect of the Ukrainians. But what can an ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation do?
            So Israeli citizen Joseph Moshe wanted to help the people of Ukraine with something - and where is he now? Faded away unknown ...

            Your government sawed money with the Ukrainian government - that’s what they saw.
            Expensive gas - they saw.


            And the oligarchs sawed the money with the Ukrainian authorities, because of which the Russian Federation lost the respect of Ukrainians. And then what to do - to plant the oligarchs for it? This is a business, nothing personal.
          10. +1
            27 July 2019 23: 16
            Quote: atalef
            So why love you?

            and why love you?
            because you destroyed Russia-USSR twice? for destroying industry and seizing public property, leaving the Russian people with a donut hole?
            because you pit peoples among themselves and pit everyone according to your misanthropic publications on the Russian people?
            1. -6
              28 July 2019 01: 44
              Quote: vlad106
              Quote: atalef
              So why love you?

              and why love you?
              because you destroyed Russia-USSR twice? for destroying industry and seizing public property, leaving the Russian people with a donut hole?
              because you pit peoples among themselves and pit everyone according to your misanthropic publications on the Russian people?

              we also drank all the water wink
          11. 0
            28 July 2019 15: 41
            Quote: atalef
            You are strange and the comment is strange, you need to love and respect a priori only because you are Russian.

            It is interesting that Ukrainians see that they have to pay (Brexit) to leave the Union (EU), and Russia has not only not taken, as the successor to the USSR, but has not insisted on returning what was transferred to Ukraine for free.
          12. +2
            28 July 2019 20: 21
            Quote: atalef
            Russia has not done anything to gain the trust and respect of Ukrainians

            Mil-man, but what Russia had to do to "gain the respect of Ukrainians" !? Judging by the inclinations in the "Nezalezhnaya", only "commit suicide" with the transfer of our lands with all the fossils for eternal use and to impose eternal penance on the Russian people. Was this "supposed" to be done? And what did the Ukrainians do to earn the respect of the Russians? They have been "knocking" us under the door for centuries, and now they have brought up their favorite song "and what are we for?"
          13. 0
            28 July 2019 21: 39
            Quote: atalef
            Quiet, calm, cheap, excellent service and all in Russian.
            -that is, the law "On language" does not care about everyone?
        2. +4
          27 July 2019 16: 30
          Quote: pishchak
          It is obvious that the Russophobic "Bandera larva" is already firmly embedded in Zebbelsukh's "spooked" brains! Since he was such that his ears were wilting, "Svidomo" carried (not at all embarrassed by the video recording, humiliatingly flirting in front of the "heroes of the ATO" with this disgusting "belligerence"!) On his fellow citizens, who were desperately not reconciled with the Ameroholui "Maidan" coup d'etat, fellow citizens!


          A psychological complex is being created from the very top, according to which a resident of Ukraine is forced to constantly struggle with Russianness in himself and with Russianness around him, that is, with all the cultural and political heritage that is related to Russian culture, to the Russian space, which is marked as Russian . Ukrainian society is reformatted not for creation, but for destruction; to fight not so much even with Russian culture as with its own history.
          1. +2
            27 July 2019 19: 32
            Ukrainian (in the territorial sense) "own history" is closely and inextricably linked with its own Russian history - this is, "without a notice," admit the "Ukrainian" Russophobes-Maydaun themselves, stealing famous Russian historical figures for "their own history"! winked
            Galicia banderonazism and Ukrainian "svidomism" are mega-destructive, for the psyche of the adherents themselves and their entourage, voluntary or involuntary, totalitarian extremist sects, practicing zombies!
    2. +15
      27 July 2019 06: 15
      If you didn’t stop LDNR from Moscow at Mariupol, the history of Ukraine would be completely different. winked
      1. +7
        27 July 2019 07: 35
        Quote: siberalt
        If you didn’t stop LDNR from Moscow at Mariupol, the history of Ukraine would be completely different. winked

        It was a very big mistake of the Moscow "businessmen" - partners of Akhmetov and his comrades (in pursuit of momentary profit, but with far-reaching consequences!), All-round! Striking, among other things, for Moscow business interests in the "long term"! fool
        1. 0
          27 July 2019 13: 04
          Quote: pishchak
          It was a very big mistake of the Moscow "businessmen" - partners of Akhmetov

          And who are these partners of Akhmetov in Moscow?
          1. 0
            27 July 2019 14: 06
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Quote: pishchak
            It was a very big mistake of the Moscow "businessmen" - partners of Akhmetov

            And who are these partners of Akhmetov in Moscow?

            You cling to words or what ?! Where do I say "in Moscow", dear ??! Plus my, for your meticulous interest in contemporary history! Yes
            Moscow "businessmen" were plenipotentiary "decision makers" in Kiev too! request
            All, perhaps, to list ?! So, it is clear that I do not keep a dossier and I regularly "clean" my "memory", "I am not preparing a thesis on the topic" I am not preparing "for the current moment" this question of yours is irrelevant, now it is for the historians of "Russian Spring" and "Antipopular Terrorist Operation ( ATO) "-" you can't turn anything back ", the situation is different now and there is nothing" skigliti " !
            1. +3
              27 July 2019 14: 58
              Quote: pishchak
              You cling to words or what ?! Where do I say "in Moscow", dear ??!

              Good rephrase. What Moscow businessmen did you mean? The fact is that Akhmetov has no partners in the Russian Federation. His partner Novinsky has long changed his citizenship and has long been living in dill. Moreover, there are no businessmen who could then and now influence the Kremlin, which would, in turn, the militia. But Mariupol was not taken for completely different reasons. It just wouldn’t be enough strength.
              1. +2
                27 July 2019 15: 48
                This is a long-standing question, I don't even want to remember the details - I'm not in a state to strain and I'm just too lazy, too, is a topic of the past tense, but someone from the top officials of the "people's Donbass", I think Zakharchenko, in an interview, later justified "delivery of Mariupol" by access for Akhmetov products to the "unauthorized (by Europe)" port of shipment and water supply issues in Donetsk ...
                And about the "lack of strength" - if the Donbass militias went forward, then many Ukrainian men would join their ranks, on the side of the liberators (this is OUR Eastern Ukraine, and even not "cleaned up", not "tied with blood" in crimes Maidan authorities "in Donbass, not" promoted "by Bandera zombies, the media is not an alien Bandera Zapukria!) both local police and Ukrainian authorities would" change their shoes in a jump ", as in Crimea, going over to the side of the winners ... the ideas of the Russian Spring were close and understandable to many of us!
                But that auspicious moment was missed in the name of the business interests of a handful of "beneficiaries", under the stench of Russian Spring, who defended their "assets" from the greedy intrigues of the "Maidan" competitors (if not for the decisiveness of the militant and big-headed Igor Strelkov, amid "information leaks" about " separate negotiations on the surrender of Donbass "and other signs of an impending betrayal, which urgently left Slavyansk and arrived with a combat-ready" core of resistance "in Donetsk, organizing and leading its defense, then, in my opinion, the" Donbass issue "would be despicably" closed "in the most radical way back in those days, and all the defenders of the militias would have been torn apart by the Banderon Nazis, "so that it would be discouraging to others" to resist in the future, and Moscow would have approved this, albeit implicitly, expressing "concern" for the form, in my opinion, no consolidated "European sanctions for Crimea "then it was not yet, and it would be difficult for the Washington to organize an" incentive provocation "with the Malaysian Boeing, if Donetsk fell I had a "thought" to collect everything "to a heap" and analyze not "on top", but in depth, in detail, because then for months I slept for two or three hours a day, reading all the current information, but now I do not have much life time left, and why do I need it, even if historians are engaged, write their "ideologically verified" bourgeois-tolerant "dissertations"))), ... and the "justification" was put forward the version that (intuitively sure that it was not intentional) You are sincerely spreading. request
                1. 0
                  27 July 2019 16: 08
                  Quote: pishchak
                  ... it seems ... if ... would ...

                  And if - "would not"?
                  1. -1
                    27 July 2019 16: 11
                    Yes, and without "would" too "would" smile and do not hesitate - there would be a "synergistic effect", and even now! Yes
                    1. +2
                      27 July 2019 16: 18
                      Quote: pishchak
                      and do not hesitate - there would be a "synergistic effect", and even now!

                      For some reason I doubt it. You see, such decisions are calculated very seriously, and at a very high level.

                      Without the "Voentorg", "North Wind" and other, um, natural phenomena - LDNR could not resist would. Low and never. Any objections?

                      The expansion of the territory of LDNR would entail, at a minimum, an increase in the number of necessary, ahem, efforts on the part of the Russian Federation to support all this. Objections?

                      Perhaps, according to the results of the calculations, it turned out that the Russian Federation simply will not pull it. And it makes no difference that someone from the leadership of the LPNR once said - all these leaders, in the real scale of this conflict (and these are "graters" between the Russian Federation and the United States, oddly enough) are less than no one. And their opinions, in this case - "nothing".

                      That's something like Yes
                      1. +1
                        27 July 2019 16: 55
                        And who denies that they could have done without Russia's help ?! And the risk, big and ambiguous, was at stake - Russian power and stability in Russia itself (this was the idea of ​​the Washington initiators of the "Maidan peremogy" and its escalation into a civil war, an ethnocide of the Russian population in Eastern Ukraine, in order to involve and ignite Russia already! ), so the GDP acted as the president of his country, primarily standing on the protection of state interests and his population, and not neighbors!
                        I just write, as an option, that the Russian authorities would be quite satisfied THEN (but not now, these are completely different "results", for the Russian authorities themselves, it will pull than in 2014!) "Assimilation" of Donbass back to "Ukraine", especially if a compromise solution on Crimea was found with Washington.

                        But if the militias, behind whom Russia stood, would have moved further, then the "synergetic effect" in the neighboring southern, Dnepropetrovsk (and part of the Kirovograd), Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions would be provided!

                        All "self-nominated" - "violent" and passionary "leaders", were shot or driven out of Donbass at 14-15! The fact that the remaining appointees are "agreed with Moscow", after all, no one really hid, like the "north wind" (without it there would be only a mournful memory of Donbass now, like about Odessa's Kulikovo field or Mariupol) ?!
                      2. 0
                        27 July 2019 17: 29
                        Quote: pishchak
                        as an option that the Russian authorities would be quite happy with THEN ... "assimilation" of Donbass back to "Ukraine", especially if a compromise solution on Crimea was found with Washington

                        I do not think so. It was originally, at least, about the federalization of Ukraine. And Crimea has nothing to do with it.

                        Quote: pishchak
                        But if the militia, behind which Russia stood, would move on, then ...

                        Damn, again - twenty-five, money for fish !!

                        This is all, you see, your dreams (I know, not only yours. But nevertheless). Yes, it was decided not to take it. You offer, as an explanation, some "interests of Akhmetov" (to prove, essno, you cannot). I propose a simpler explanation - they just counted, and decided that what already exists is enough for the Russian Federation to fulfill its tasks. All.

                        Do you know Occam's Razor? "Do not create entities beyond necessity", something like that.
                      3. +1
                        27 July 2019 18: 55
                        Many factors play a role in decision-making and the kleptoligarch R. Akhmetov, "his people", played an important role in the beginning of the resistance in Donbass - personally, I believe that without him it would not have "burned out" with an organized rebuff to the Bandera gangs and the Armed Forces of Ukraine! After all, this and his property, under the pretext of allegedly "pro-Russian" and the well-known "regional" proximity to the fugitive Yanukovych, tried to "squeeze out" the competing kleptoligarchs with their personal "armies" - it was he, pursuing his business interests, supported the rebels with his resources and bargained with Kiev "maydauns" about the fate of Donbass ... therefore, his wishes were taken into account in the "geopolitical" solution of the Mariupol issue!
                        I already wrote about Russian reasons above-Russia, except for the strategic Crimea, by necessity (because of the very unambiguous claims of the United States and the imminent imminent shameful expulsion from there, with all the negative, foreign and domestic, consequences that were not very high then, before "Crimea ", the image of the president of the GDP and his capitalist ministers) taken under their wing, nothing was needed in post-Maidan Ukraine!
                        For the Donbass, with its people's Russian Spring and anti-capitalist slogans, the bourgeois Russian authorities "fit in" also forcedly, they did not manage to "jump from the topic" we do not abandon our own! "", As with other rebellious East!
                        Honestly, I owe my life to the March decision of the Council of the Fed to allow the President of Russia to use troops outside Russia - this news completely dumbfounded and scared the local "myzdobulov", as a rule, immigrants from Zapukria, they really began to "merge" with us and ask for forgiveness for their extremist attacks and "murderous intentions", expecting, as it seemed to everyone then, the inevitable arrival of the Russian army, and then the Russian Investigative Committee ...!
                        That shock fright among the maydauns did not go in vain and then the dashing vulgarity (and confidence in their own impunity!) Of the last week of February 2014 never returned to them!
                        But then, alas, not all anti-Maidan anti-fascists, and just normal people, with a developed sense of justice and rejection of marginal scoundrels and all sorts of scoundrels who surfaced on the "Maidan wave" were so lucky ... a full investigation of the murderous bloody crimes of the Banderonazis and their henchmen to come!
                        "Occam's Razor" - "do not create false entities" - I know, of course! Yes
                      4. dSK
                        +2
                        28 July 2019 14: 57
                        "Donbass wedge", driven into Russia almost before "Rostov-on-Don" - the territory stolen from Russia a hundred years ago by Lenin.
                      5. +2
                        28 July 2019 15: 26
                        Lenin gave the entire Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic to the Ukrainian SSR, like the rest of Novorossia! Then the Bolsheviks "rootized" it, forcibly implanting "newspeak" - "Ukrmova" - now we bloodyly disentangle it, like the Stalinist "present" - the gangrenous Russophobic Zapukria, alas!
      2. +1
        27 July 2019 08: 38
        “It seems that Moscow understands where the Ukrainian Titanic is sailing.” It was necessary to understand four years ago. Moscow is doing everything to show Russian people in other countries how it is not appropriate to behave in relation to its PEOPLE.
        1. -2
          27 July 2019 11: 32
          This can leave for a meeting of the Communist Party. Bandera fascists are not mine.
      3. +7
        27 July 2019 09: 14
        Quote: siberalt
        Do not stop LDNR from Moscow at Mariupol

        Such delusions of "some civilians" are laughable. fool
        LDNR cannot, but at a time when large military units, especially, without the support of the Russian Federation to carry out any offensive. LDNR does not have for this equipment and weapons, ammunition, fuel and lubricants and a sufficient quantity of l / s.
        But, the fact that the "northern breeze" in 2014 could blow longer, under its cover it would be possible to organize a popular uprising and "blow off" dill from Mariupol, Slavyansk, Krasnoarmeisk, Kramatorsk, etc. this may be true.
        As for "Ze", then here, the worse the better. Under his guidance, Nenka will continue to go to the nat. dead end. This, of course, can cause a large number of victims, but ... The only way out for the Banderovirus-affected Square is the disintegration into small state formations impotent in the sense of a threat to those around them on a historical and cultural basis, with the subsequent reunification of some of them with the Russian Federation, and some, however very small, possibly with other states. And the primordial Ukrainian territory - the hetman state - will be inhabited by the Silk population, which is what the Raguli want.
        1. +4
          27 July 2019 12: 37
          Here is an anecdote that characterizes "Ukrainian psychology" well:
          “In the Ukraine, near Belarus, the economy was ruined. The dog had nothing to eat at all and she ran away behind the cordon. Three months later, the oily coat returned. She was asked:
          - What came back then? Did they feed poorly?
          - Well fed, even sour cream got.
          - A lot of work?
          - No, sleep during the day, run around the territory at night, scare strangers.
          - And what has returned?
          "You can't bark like that without asking."
        2. +5
          27 July 2019 13: 14
          Quote: Alekseev
          LDNR cannot, and at that moment, when large military units had not yet been created, especially, without the support of the Russian Federation, to carry out any attacks. LDNR does not have for this equipment and weapons, ammunition, fuel and lubricants and a sufficient quantity of l / s.

          Already tried to explain it in VO. But here some persistently live on the Internet myths. He wrote that a half-million city could not be taken then. There was virtually no single command. The number of brigades was not so great that they would storm Mariupol and defend Other directions.
          Quote: Alekseev
          it would be possible to organize a popular uprising and "blow away" dill from Mariupol, Slavyansk, Krasnoarmeisk, Kramatorsk, etc. this may be true.

          Unfortunately this was not real. To do this, someone on the ground had to organize an uprising and have weapons. It wasn’t. At first, Dnepr-1 was introduced into Krasnoarmeysk. From Krasnoarmeysk, Ugledar, Selidov, all who wanted to fight, all went to Donetsk. Mariupol could not restrain small forces and all who could have left for Donetsk. With Strelkov from Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka left for Donetsk. There was simply no one there and there was nothing to raise a rebellion.
          Quote: Alekseev
          The only way out for an afflicted Banderovirus is to disintegrate into state formations that are impotent in terms of threats to others on a historical and cultural basis, with the subsequent reunification of some of them with the Russian Federation, and some, however very small, possibly with other states. And the original Ukrainian territory - Hetmanism will become populated by the Silsk population, which Ruguli want.

          I sincerely hope so.
  2. +14
    27 July 2019 05: 31
    The results of the elections to the Rada show very well that the arguments of those who in Russia talk about the fraternal Ukrainian people, who in fact support the strengthening of relations between Russia and Ukraine, are not worth a damn, and therefore it makes no sense to hesitate in the application of economic and of a military nature in relation to Ukraine, arguing that such measures will strike first of all on ordinary Ukrainians, who are "not guilty of anything." In fact, these elections perfectly showed that if Ukrainians have an alternative in the form of a pro-Russian party, whose leaders are received at the highest level in the Kremlin, thereby showing that this is precisely a pro-Russian political force, Ukrainians still do not want to vote for strengthening the Russian -Ukrainian relations, and if this is so, then Russia should concentrate on achieving its goals in Ukraine without regard to how efforts to achieve these goals will affect ordinary Ukrainians. The Ukrainians have made their choice and now must start paying for it. Therefore, the results of these elections for ordinary citizens of Ukraine are a harbinger of a new decline in living standards, since These results mean, first of all, the defeat of the internal Russian forces, which advocated that measures against Ukraine should not be applied that could entail a significant deterioration in the standard of living of ordinary Ukrainians, as well as the collapse of the Ukrainian economy and the state's life support systems.
    1. +4
      27 July 2019 07: 04
      Well, it is clear from your comment that you are just a "casual passer-by" ...! request
      Well, for the lack of any choice, so as not to leave my ballot to the Probander fraudsters, I voted for these so-called "pro-Russian parties" - for Boyko in the first round of quasi "pre-elections" and for the "Oppoplatform-Le Hime (For Life)" of the well-known to every "ordinary Ukrainian (in the sense of a resident of Ukraine, our population is as multinational as in Russia!)" of Judeo-Mazepa nouveau riches and scammers Boyko-Medvedchuk-Rabinovich and a completely outspoken Banderonazi who labored with them in this "head of the party" -Kivas and what's good about that ?!
      And many people did not go to these sort of "elections" at all, because there was no one to vote for - all "parties and candidates" were from a scanty "set" of any marginal collaborationist rabble completely loyal to the Washington neo-colonialists-occupiers of Ukraine, outright enemies our post-Soviet Slavic states!

      The fact that Boyko-Medvedchuk, pursuing his business interests, traveled to Moscow and met with Russian businessmen and at the same time made self-promotional "statements", by and large, for "ordinary Ukrainians" does not mean anything - we have been in these "regional" deceivers for a long time disappointed! Those preferences that Moscow businessmen provide to Ukrainian nouveau riches do not affect "ordinary Ukrainians" in any way - only the margin and profit of these supposedly "pro-Russian" beneficiaries of Moscow benefits increases!
      So, "a casual passer-by", writing about today's Ukraine, imagine us as a post-Soviet republic occupied by Washington, with a banderonazi totalitarian "regime" imposed by the occupiers, and imagine yourself in the place of "ordinary Ukrainians" - an occupied population, what "choice" we have is only that Permitted, "democratically" imitated for the Russophobic biased "world community", the invaders and their local lackeys!

      All, truly constructive and statist, and therefore pro-Russian, after all, many Ukrainians are related, Russia, the largest partner and closest neighbor of Ukraine, destroyed and crushed, almost completely, still allegedly "pro-Russian" ameroholuyi - "no alternative European integrators" Yanek-Azarov who prepared all the prerequisites for the destruction of state subjectivity and the seizure of power by outspoken Banderonazis!
      The Moscow rulers at that time, in an "Olympic" manner, calmly solved their internal problems, in foreign policy they were short-sightedly pursuing only business interests (Russian ambassadors-businessmen "gas transit" Chernomyrdin and Zurabov, who were only "passionately friends" with outspoken Russophobes in the "upper echelons" ukrovlast is a vivid example!), and indifferently watched as the Washington "partners" carry out their anti-Russian "projects" near the borders of Russia, surrounding it with a hostile ring of amerocolonized former Soviet republics, the so-called "loop of anaconda" ....! request
      1. +12
        27 July 2019 08: 05
        But you are all right, but with pain (and this is obvious) described.
        Short and sensible.
        But, either hesitated, or did not want to but did not say the obvious.
        Russia for Ukraine cannot be a guiding star or the center of the Russian world.
        The reason is not in the Ukrainian mentality, but in Russia itself.
        Russia has not formed either an ideology or a global goal, nothing that could attract it.
        There is such a huge entity - Russia.
        They throw stones at her, and pour slops, and spit and insult.
        And she doesn’t react at all.
        And who, pray tell, will seek to unite with such a person and take such an example.
        Ukraine has its own masters. Russia has its own.
        Well, Ukrainian oligarchs do not want to go under the Russian!
        And the people?
        And what about the people?
        We, the Russians, want all "normal" Ukrainians to throw away their children, families, their old people, grab a pitchfork and axes and go to smash the local authorities?
        And then, having defeated everything and everything, they came as Bogdan Khmelnitsky with another request for admission to Russia?
        Do not consider people bad.
        They will not come.
        Because no one will come to us, in the form as it is now.
        We need to change first.

        And to those. whoever rushes to criticize me now, immediately calmed down, I will say the following.
        There is a site guide.
        I sent articles with real proposals for the reconstruction of some aspects of our lives.
        But moderators refuse to publish.
        So accusations that, in addition to criticism, it is necessary to propose a constructive, are not accepted.
        1. +1
          27 July 2019 09: 02
          As a matter of principle, if possible, I do not tinker in internal Russian affairs, dear Demo!
          But you drew everything quite vividly, although about "pitchforks and axes (against the heavily armed Bandera invaders, who are armed with almost impunity to destroy the Donetsk residents?!)" - this is a clear overkill, with axes to "chop all Russians and pro-Russian", hereditary banderlog They are raving about this, just before the elections, the Western descendants of Hitler-Bandera "sokyrnykiv" (axemen is such a popular name for these bandyugans who cut with axes and sawed living people into pieces with saws) called for this!
          As for the "guiding Kremlin star", everything is true, not very much, in general, an optimistic picture of the life of "ordinary Russians" among us, "ordinary Ukrainians", is taking shape - the same wild capitalism, only with a slightly more "human face" and a greater bourgeois authorities do not seem to spread rot on parts of the territory of Russia, in their native Russian they give the opportunity to freely speak, write and get an education, and do not "experiment" with Orthodoxy, do not propagate a "single Uniate faith"!
          Well, life in Russia is a little richer in places, basically the industry has been preserved, in big cities, housing is still being built, there is a little more law and order, although the introduced "universal" juvenile justice and its law enforcement cause legitimate fears among those who have minor children, but are not sure in your "tomorrow" and permanent sources of income ....
          The absence of a state ideology and a coherent foreign policy, of course, in my opinion, seriously harms the development, foreign and domestic political authority, the attractiveness of the image of the country-Russian Federation, dooming it to a deliberate "weakness of position" - "eternal excuses" and zero work ahead of the curve, satirical (all these supposedly HPPs have long become a sad and funny "talk of the town", alas!) toothlessness with "multi-last warnings" and even "deflections", and even before the attacks of some insignificant limitrophes, all sorts of Ameroholuy "yapping mosques" , each time more and more impudent from impunity!
          There are enough Zaprodants-Judomazepines in Russia, but, albeit in a "vacuum of state ideology", they have not yet managed to completely capture the country and make the reckless collaborationist-comprador "ideology" 100% dominant (but one of the main properties of "emptiness in the minds" is to fill with "at least something", often with someone else's help ...! request ), as their counterparts in Malaya Rus-Ukraine managed to do it, so far everything is being sold "in a cunning way", with an eye ...
          "And where is the poor peasant to go?" IMHO
          1. +1
            27 July 2019 09: 36
            Quote: pishchak
            As for the "guiding Kremlin star", everything is correct, not very much, in general, an optimistic picture of the life of "ordinary Russians" among us, "ordinary Ukrainians", is

            usually such words cause wild minus, although this is an obvious fact and one of the most important reasons for Ukraine to find its way.
            It remains to add that not always hard workers from Ukraine met with benevolence; it’s enough to recall the payment for treatment in hospitals, the weaning of money at stations by the police. Everything was and he himself was a participant and witness to such.
            Therefore the question
            Quote: pishchak
            "And where is the poor peasant to go?"

            Ukrainians decided in their own way. While at the highest level businessmen-brothers sawed the loot, there was a mess at the bottom. Therefore, the movement of Ukraine "in the wrong direction" is largely the merit of the Russian authorities. It's just time to collect the stones.
            1. +3
              27 July 2019 10: 32
              Glad to see you, dear "Colonel General" Silvestr! wink
              I express my own opinion, and not chase "plus signs". smile
              For some reason, your comment turned out to be already with a minus - for the word of truth, and you received a kind of "recognition" from Bandera and other Russophobic ameroholuev. Yes
              That's right, you wrote, "in the courses" of all this "routine", therefore I don't feel any special optimism or "charm" - Russia and the Russians themselves would have to resist and put things in order, decide on a "stable vector of the country's development and raising the welfare of ALL (and not just a "narrow layer" of supposedly "servants of the people" and post-Soviet nuVorish!) of the population "!

              For the fact that we, Ukrainian Russians, were explicitly "awakened (and in a murderous manner forced to remember that we are, first of all, Russians and that we are indeed people worthy of a better life than the quasi" independent "Ameroholuy post-Soviet nouveau riche deriban and, such a barbaric Pro-Bandero "raunchy nezalezhism", progressive poverty and planned starvation of the working population!) Wealth, the Russian bourgeois also disliked us!
              They were justifiably afraid that this spontaneous popular movement of ours would spread to Russia as well, acquiring (in alliance with the similarly disadvantaged Russian population) a nationwide scale ... but they need it, have they agreed with Ukrainian business "partners" and "calmed down"? !
              1. +3
                27 July 2019 11: 54
                Quote: pishchak
                They were justifiably afraid that this spontaneous popular movement of ours would spread to Russia as well, acquiring (in alliance with the similarly disadvantaged Russian population) a nationwide scale ... but they need it, have they agreed with Ukrainian business "partners" and "calmed down"? !

                That's it! This is the key of today. And as for the minuses, so many Ukraine and people are judged by the filing of Solovyov or Skabeeva and do not understand the essence of the processes in the presentation of eyewitnesses. Gap template. But, unfortunately, everything goes as it goes.
          2. +3
            27 July 2019 12: 09
            I decided to prepare a more detailed answer just for you, as a representative of Ukraine.
            Dear forum users.
            Due to the position taken by Mr. Chuvakin, I am not given the opportunity to publish articles on topics that are relevant to me.
            You have to go to the trick and publish your point of view in the comments.

            The issue of relations between Russia and Ukraine and Ukraine with Russia is, on the one hand, a thorn in one place, and on the other hand, is extremely topical and requires constant attention.

            A lot of comments boil down to the fact that once and for all we redraw Ukraine everything that can be blocked and let them live as they want.
            A lot of those who are clearly under someone else's dictation are trying to blame all troubles (including the fact that the natives ate Cook).

            It is very alarming for me, a Russian, in whose veins the blood of at least five nations flows, to listen to both of them in spirit and in essence Russian.

            Of course, it would be possible to block both gas, oil, and the Kerch Strait (under convenient pretexts). Cut everything off completely. Migrant workers in the backside knee. And the money earned is still taken away. To remember for a long time how they were от ш ма ма ма ’’ ’

            Let's see who will benefit from this.
            Those who win for us, for the Russians, are the complete enemy.
            Those who pursue a policy of breaking up will win.
            UNA-UNSO will win (we must write that it is prohibited in the Russian Federation).

            Who else?
            Europeans will win.
            But we don’t understand that those who live beyond the borders of the former USSR are such partners that no enemies are needed.

            And the constant obsessive paranoid dream of the Anglo-Saxons will come true - to draw the Slavs into the internecine war.
            And the more "we" feel, the better.

            Americans, as the main conductors and authors, distributed personal scores to everyone and very carefully monitor the correctness of their reading.
            Any initiative is punished very quickly.

            It seems that nothing can be blocked by Ukraine, since this is not to our advantage.
            And the President of the Russian Federation (after certain events the hand to write with a capital letter the position of the head of our state does not rise) has repeatedly so softly and exhorted us paternally - it is not so with the fraternal people.
            And this lulls us to sleep.
            If "himself" shares this point of view, then we are united globally.
            And here lies that same devil.
            What the head of the Russian Federation says, although it is in tune with what we think, but the causal relationship we have with him is different.
            About the leader I will no longer.
            He is a "stranger." He is not "ours."

            But what to do next, it's worth talking about.
            I want to offer my vision of the problem.
            First.
            In communicating, one should avoid the provocative question of the Crimea’s affiliation.
            I’m not afraid that someone will persecute me for not agreeing with the official point of view of the state on some controversial issue.
            If I am confident that I am right, then I am ready to defend it even in discussion, even in court.
            For me, Crimea was, is and will remain Russian land.
            But Ukrainians will not poke this in my nose.

            Another bleeding wound is related to the tongue. To the Russian language.
            For example.
            My old friend comes from the city of Nikolaev.
            He finished school in the Ukrainian SSR.
            He studied in Ukrainian.
            When I ask him how he perceives the language of modern Ukrainians, then he, as a retired Strategic Missile Forces officer, retires to abusive Russian.
            Although I “understand the Ukrainian mov”, I do not use it.
            And nowhere and with no one.
            But I listen to folk songs in Ukrainian with great pleasure.
            Especially lyrical.
            I don’t have a rejection of the language, because Bandera and Shukhevych spoke it?
            Therefore, this moment is quite simple to avoid in interpersonal communication.

            We are more alike peoples than distinct from each other.

            And for us, Russians, and for Ukrainians, one extremely negative quality is characteristic - to rest against the horns even in the fact that initially stupidity and heresy.
            And when, in the process of defending our views, we spread everything around, then we come to the realization that we were wrong.
            But our enemies know this very well. And they use it.
            It is forbidden for enemies to give arms against themselves.

            I must say one more about our common “amazing” quality.
            Naivety, on the verge of stupidity.
            We believe everything that we are told.
            We do not allow the thought that a person can say one thing and think a completely different one.
            And we step on such a rake with enviable regularity.
            In four years, and in six.

            Our peoples ought to start growing up.
            We must learn to understand what is good and what is bad.
            We must learn to give a proper assessment to those who call us "to where Makar did not chase the calves."

            They who call, act in the interests of others, mortally dangerous for us and our peoples.

            After reading this “cry of the soul”, many will say what to do with events such as the capture of a tanker, a breakthrough through the Kerch Strait, a “hunt for Russian witches” in Ukraine, etc.
            I will answer.
            Each of this events does not change in my heart the attitude to what I wrote above.
            And I have no doubt that the Ukrainian government will continue to cast out on common sense and the law.
            But they do this simply by the fact that:
            1. They were ordered to do this.
            2. With a limited mind, they have no other application of their active nature.

            Let's calmly survive such a difficult period of time in our relationship.
        2. +12
          27 July 2019 09: 27
          Let me, born under Stalin in the Kherson region, explain.
          Many, if not all, blame Russia, then Ukraine, or Amerov for all troubles. Are we people that are saints and sinless? Let me give you just one example. In Zaporozhye, on the penultimate day of voting in the Rada near the tent “For Life”, an elderly woman with a stack of newspapers gives me an expensive propaganda too. Word for word, it turns out that the damned Muscovites attacked on us and all in the same spirit. It was necessary to hear her screaming all over the square and see her eyes filled with hatred towards me.
          And who after this ugly visible insanity will blame anyone for all troubles, but not a mirror?
          As for the criticism or criticism of the moderators. I’m probably the only commentator from Ukraine, who has a triple on the avatar. This is what the editorial staff thanks me for criticizing the ukroraich.
          1. +4
            27 July 2019 11: 56
            Quote: scud
            In Zaporozhye, on the penultimate day of voting in the Rada near the tent, “For Life,” an elderly woman with a stack of newspapers gives me an expensive propaganda too. Word for word, it turns out that the damned Muscovites attacked us and all in the same vein.

            what's so surprising? Many of my friends there are arguing like this right now. I have a friend, in the 82nd I finished HVVAUL. After 14, he tried to talk with classmates - one mate and a promise to bomb the Crimea.
          2. +1
            27 July 2019 20: 24
            You have a C grade, and I have a SEMEROCHKA !!!
        3. +1
          27 July 2019 09: 42
          As a Russian, I want only that in Ukraine, citizens vote in the elections for a party that finally lags behind the Russian language, squeezes the Nazis to the nail, and ceases to kill the inhabitants of Donbass and begins to restore friendly relations with Russia. As a result of the parliamentary elections, we saw that most Ukrainians voted against leaving the Russian language alone, against pushing the Nazis to the nail, against stopping the killing of Donbass residents and against the restoration of friendly relations with Russia. That's all. Since this happened, it is necessary on the basis of this to build further relations with Ukraine. And you don’t need to drag in any ideology here. It is necessary without worrying about how this will affect ordinary Ukrainians to achieve the goals Russia needs, that's all. At the same time, Ukrainians will become worse off, their economy will collapse, they will freeze or be left without electricity - this should not worry us anymore, since the Ukrainians made their choice in the last election. Let them pay for it now.
          Quote: demo
          But you are all right, but with pain (and this is obvious) described.
          Short and sensible.
          But, either hesitated, or did not want to but did not say the obvious.
          Russia for Ukraine cannot be a guiding star or the center of the Russian world.
          The reason is not in the Ukrainian mentality, but in Russia itself.
          Russia has not formed either an ideology or a global goal, nothing that could attract it.
          There is such a huge entity - Russia.
          They throw stones at her, and pour slops, and spit and insult.
          And she doesn’t react at all.
          And who, pray tell, will seek to unite with such a person and take such an example.
          Ukraine has its own masters. Russia has its own.
          Well, Ukrainian oligarchs do not want to go under the Russian!
          And the people?
          And what about the people?
          We, the Russians, want all "normal" Ukrainians to throw away their children, families, their old people, grab a pitchfork and axes and go to smash the local authorities?
          And then, having defeated everything and everything, they came as Bogdan Khmelnitsky with another request for admission to Russia?
          Do not consider people bad.
          They will not come.
          Because no one will come to us, in the form as it is now.
          We need to change first.

          And to those. whoever rushes to criticize me now, immediately calmed down, I will say the following.
          There is a site guide.
          I sent articles with real proposals for the reconstruction of some aspects of our lives.
          But moderators refuse to publish.
          So accusations that, in addition to criticism, it is necessary to propose a constructive, are not accepted.
          1. 0
            27 July 2019 10: 43
            The minus is not mine, but my usual one, as my counterpart, plus I will not put you, "random passer-by", - I clearly see that you fell a victim of Bandera's Goebbelsuch-verb what they needed to get from "ordinary a bandera provocateur, "the son (daughter) of a Crimean officer, who is not so simple"? winked ) ", alas! fool
            You are entitled to the "prize" of a "foreign sympathizer", a neophyte Banderlogist "and a" basket of cookies "from the representatives of the Fashington administration at 4 Sikorsky Street in Kiev!
            1. -1
              28 July 2019 04: 56
              A bunch of letters, but essentially nothing. Are you with something from what I wrote agree or disagree? If in fact there are objections, then write about them; if not, then what is your comment?
              Quote: pishchak
              The minus is not mine, but my usual one, as my counterpart, plus I will not put you, "random passer-by", - I clearly see that you fell a victim of Bandera's Goebbelsuch-verb what they needed to get from "ordinary a bandera provocateur, "the son (daughter) of a Crimean officer, who is not so simple"? winked ) ", alas! fool
              You are entitled to the "prize" of a "foreign sympathizer", a neophyte Banderlogist "and a" basket of cookies "from the representatives of the Fashington administration at 4 Sikorsky Street in Kiev!
          2. +1
            27 July 2019 12: 00
            Quote: bystander
            I want a Russian one so that in Ukraine citizens vote in elections

            и
            Quote: bystander
            ... you need to proceed from this and build further relations with Ukraine ... .... You need not worrying about how this will affect ordinary Ukrainians to achieve the goals Russia needs is all.

            do not find a contradiction?
            On the one hand, you, a citizen of Russia, want something from the Ukrainians, and on the other hand, you don't give a damn about them. Probably, the business of Ukrainians to equip their home.
            Then, Alaverds, Ukrainians want a change of power in Russia, and is that their right?
            A strange situation arises, don’t you?
            1. +1
              28 July 2019 04: 53
              I do not find any contradictions and you, if you carefully read what I wrote, also did not find any contradictions. As the past elections showed, Ukrainians do not want to build normal relations with Russia, they do not want to stop killing the inhabitants of Donbass and do not want to lag behind the Russian language. If so, then I do not care about them, their desires, or how much they will be hurt by the economic and military measures taken by Russia against Ukraine. What is the contradiction here?
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: bystander
              I want a Russian one so that in Ukraine citizens vote in elections

              и
              Quote: bystander
              ... you need to proceed from this and build further relations with Ukraine ... .... You need not worrying about how this will affect ordinary Ukrainians to achieve the goals Russia needs is all.

              do not find a contradiction?
              On the one hand, you, a citizen of Russia, want something from the Ukrainians, and on the other hand, you don't give a damn about them. Probably, the business of Ukrainians to equip their home.
              Then, Alaverds, Ukrainians want a change of power in Russia, and is that their right?
              A strange situation arises, don’t you?
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        4. 0
          27 July 2019 11: 37
          I sent articles with real proposals for the reconstruction of some aspects of our lives.
          But moderators refuse to publish.

          There are many other places. publish there, give links.
          What's the problem?
          Quote: demo
          We, the Russians, want all "normal" Ukrainians to throw away their children, families, their old people, grab a pitchfork and axes and go to smash the local authorities?

          No, you "normal Ukrainians" want the Russians to do it in Russia.
          You can be seen from a mile away from one spoken phrase - "Russia is to blame." You cannot even ask normally without puffing out your cheeks.
          And all that was given to you for decades - all in vain, not horse feed.
        5. +2
          27 July 2019 13: 25
          Quote: demo
          They throw stones at her, and pour slops, and spit and insult.
          And she doesn’t react at all.

          )))) Not at all? You say that Russia and the West still have no information war. We answer as we can. Or is it necessary for ICBMs to respond to any criticism of the West?
          Quote: demo
          Because no one will come to us, in the form as it is now.
          We need to change first.

          In this "form", as you put it, you have already come if you have not noticed. And not only Crimea and Donbass, but also Kharkov and Odessa wanted.
          And in what "form" is the state that this "form" does not suit you?
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      2. 0
        27 July 2019 09: 21
        Squeak! It is very useful to read the inside view. Intuitively understood that you wrote everything correctly.
        1. 0
          27 July 2019 09: 50
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Squeak! It is very useful to read the inside view. Intuitively understood that you wrote everything correctly.

          Thank you for your, dear Mikh-Korsakov, correct understanding and such a high rating! Yes
          I also really hope that it will be useful for caring Russians to find out, because I often see on Russian Internet resources, even on VO, a well-fed "militant misunderstanding (in a key that is beneficial to Banderonazi propaganda, there are direct candidates for the" neophyte banderlog prize " "baskets of cookies" from the ameroposl!) "realities" of Ukrainian life!
          1. -1
            27 July 2019 11: 38
            And what, there were no cookies?
    2. 0
      27 July 2019 11: 07
      that if Ukrainians have an alternative in the form of a pro-Russian party, the leaders of which are accepted at the highest level in the Kremlin, thereby showing that this is a pro-Russian political force, Ukrainians still do not want to vote for strengthening Russian-Ukrainian relations

      An extremely wrong conclusion. You won't be lovely, change the awl for soap? Leaders? This is rubbish that has been circulating in Ukraine for decades under each government and which is only concerned with how to fill their pockets. The so-called "pro-Russian" party, even if it puffed its "pro-Russianness" into the ears of the Kremlin, the people cannot be fooled.
      1. +1
        28 July 2019 05: 06
        You want to say that Boyko and Medvedchuk and Rabinovich are representatives of anti-Russian parties and advocate a war with Russia? If so, please provide relevant facts. Or is Zelensky more pro-Russian than these comrades? And rightly so, you said that you won’t be forcibly sweet, and since Russia, the Russians and the Russian language are not sweet for the Ukrainians, then there is nothing to babysit with these Ukrainians, they will become worse off from Russian sanctions, they will turn off their gas and electricity, well they themselves are to blame. As they say - don’t spit in the well ... In this sense, the current elections in Ukraine are very indicative and completely discredit the thesis that Ukrainians were deceived, that they really want to strengthen relations with Russia. They do not want anything like this, and if so, then we should not care what will happen to the Ukrainians in the process of achieving the goals Russia needs.
        Quote: Fayter2017
        that if Ukrainians have an alternative in the form of a pro-Russian party, the leaders of which are accepted at the highest level in the Kremlin, thereby showing that this is a pro-Russian political force, Ukrainians still do not want to vote for strengthening Russian-Ukrainian relations

        An extremely wrong conclusion. You won't be lovely, change the awl for soap? Leaders? This is rubbish that has been circulating in Ukraine for decades under each government and which is only concerned with how to fill their pockets. The so-called "pro-Russian" party, even if it puffed its "pro-Russianness" into the ears of the Kremlin, the people cannot be fooled.
    3. +1
      27 July 2019 12: 07
      If you are talking about an opoblock for life, then they will remind the oligarchs who have discredited themselves for a long time therefore, when fortunately they don’t take power
      1. 0
        28 July 2019 05: 14
        Quote: Kronos
        If you are talking about an opoblock for life, then they will remind the oligarchs who have discredited themselves for a long time therefore, when fortunately they don’t take power


        These oligarchs were received in Moscow at the highest level, thereby showing the Ukrainians that they represent pro-Russian forces. And then, how is Zelensky different from them? Fully controlled by Kolomoisky man. Or is Kolomoisky not an oligarch? It turns out that Kolomoisky, financing and creating Nazi detachments in Ukraine in 2014, did not discredit himself in the eyes of the Ukrainians, which means that, as shown by these elections, the majority of Ukrainians support such actions, support the Nazis. Then all that I wrote about the fact that you should not worry about how bad it will be for ordinary Ukrainians from economic and military measures of Russia is true. Why should we worry about what will happen to those who supported the Nazis?
  3. +3
    27 July 2019 05: 36
    Power cannot be obtained. Power can only be taken away (or picked up in the event of anarchy, but these are isolated cases) who won the most and will be sold. But to whom, time will tell. But not the Nazis, they apparently did not live up to the Yankees' hopes A new force must manifest itself. If it were a different state, then, according to the laws of history, it would most likely have been military. Shadow junta. As it happened in our country after the 90s, in Chile, it is now happening in Libya. But this is nenka bad, that's it. perhaps.
    1. +2
      27 July 2019 11: 16
      There is a new one - the PPSh, the Sharia party, from which the Nazis shy away from fire and it is interesting and all the rest taken together and of the type "pro-Russian", "opposition", etc.
      My conclusion, for the first time in my 42 years, over the past 2 years, I have been following politics, people forget promises and therefore do not compare them with real fulfillment. And now it turned out that the entire elite, the oligarchs, the Nazis, regardless of their views, united together, because for the first time they felt the real danger of their power. Judging by the videos of Sharia, who are mainly young people, tens of thousands of people gather together as a complete ignore in the media, print, and television.
      The parties have turned into companies for stuffing pockets, the power is really with the rich, who can afford to buy seats and spend the right people.
  4. +7
    27 July 2019 06: 22
    The sum does not change from the change of the places of the terms. Zelensky representative of the "thrown" Poroshenko oligarchs. They took revenge in his person. They will share everything again. Fuck, the radish is not sweeter.
    1. +4
      27 July 2019 08: 11
      Totally agree with you. The fight between Gunpowder and Kalomoysky led to the victory of Ze. Gunpowder crushed Kalomoysky, took part of his business, for example, Privat bank. Tried to take all the media. But Kalomoisky managed to keep the 1 + 1 channel, and launched the television series Servant of the People about President Goloborodko, who met the aspirations of the common people. And since Since people are easily amenable to propaganda on TV, in his life he voted for all the good that Ze and his team poured into his ears. Thus, the oligarch Kalomoisky won, and the rest lost. The bloc for Life is the oligarchs Medvedchuk and DR., The opposition bloc is Akhmetov, they advocated the revival of economic ties with the Russian Federation, i.e. for your own interests. The remaining parties are nationalist and pro-NATO parties. Even Sharia’s party is by no means pro-Russian, but pro-Ukrainian and pro-European. The only pro-Russian party, the Union of Left Forces, was not registered and was not allowed to vote. Even with most of the Servants of the people on the ground, 5% of nationalists who intimidate everyone will determine the anti-Russian sentiment of the population. And if Ze does not change the Ministry of Internal Affairs, does not show rigidity towards the nationalists, then the picture on the TV will be the same. And no improvement in relations with Russia will happen.
      1. +2
        27 July 2019 10: 55
        And if Ze doesn’t change the Ministry of Internal Affairs
        ... And who will allow him .... laughing
  5. -3
    27 July 2019 07: 03
    Kamenev about Ukraine, the Russians will always write in this style ...
    laughing
    with errors in the 2nd sentence ..
    and with the main mistake in general
    not his this topic!
    1. +5
      27 July 2019 07: 17
      Antares (Antares)
      If you criticize this article, then write your own view of the situation. Write without errors. Express your opinion if this is your topic.
      1. 0
        27 July 2019 07: 30
        Quote: Bumblebee_3
        If you criticize this article, then write your own view of the situation. Write without errors. Express your opinion if this is your topic.

        I am forbidden to write articles, although I wrote about historical events without politics (like "Drunken War" "friendly fire" ..)
        Kamenev is the style of writing an article in the spirit of the times. It’s absolutely not even important what the main thing is the words of the tag and the event that the reader from TV and the media remembers.
        You can criticize labor, not propaganda.
        it’s not even propaganda, it’s agitation.
        And you can disagree with the author everywhere, but how many times I haven’t done it - nobody cares. Propaganda about Ukraine is a very popular product in the Russian Federation.
        People buy agitation. Agitation sold.
        The fact that Moscow completely lost (surrendered itself) the direction and cover up with some kind of HPP and propaganda a complete failure is the work of these authors.
        They have a different world of creating reality.
        1. +4
          27 July 2019 07: 36
          Antares (Antares)
          The fact that you were forbidden to write articles, I was not aware. Your remark about the article reminded me of the expression: This is not a CNC, but a complete emergency! "Without any explanation.
        2. +1
          27 July 2019 09: 42
          Quote: Antares
          Moscow completely lost (surrendered itself) direction

          it's as clear as daylight. Our "soft power" did not and does not exist in Ukraine. Tops preferred agreements. Just as they didn’t want to work on the lower classes either with the Ukrainians or with the Russians, they still don’t want to. The problem is. that the authorities do not want the participation of the people in choosing their own destiny.
          1. +2
            27 July 2019 11: 34
            Quote: Silvestr
            There was not and there is no our "soft power" in Ukraine

            It’s not even bad that it’s bad that they don’t study. They continue to act in the same spirit.
            The impression that in Moscow they stopped teaching foreign policy at universities ..
            Quote: Silvestr
            Tops preferred agreement

            in general, agreements are good with the same verticals (permanent leaders) like RB and RK
            but with Ukraine and others where power is changing rapidly, what kind of agreement is that ?. 5 years and elections. New faces. New conditions ..
            Therefore, in a couple of decades, an understanding should have come that it is necessary to work with Ukraine and the West through every Ukrainian-European. And not muddy agreements with individuals who are in power today and not tomorrow.
            Soft power was invented a long time ago. But either there is no understanding of what it is (how many years have passed to understand), or "Unprofitable" ... these "towers of the KRemlya" are on their own mind. Dragging and not letting go is traditional.
          2. -3
            27 July 2019 11: 44
            This is "as clear as daylight" only to the communists. By the way - to the heirs of those who wore Ukraine in their arms and raised fascists of all stripes there.
            The rest of normal people look at these cries with bewilderment.
          3. Underwater hunter
            -2
            27 July 2019 15: 32
            Quote: Silvestr
            The problem is. that the authorities do not want the participation of the people in choosing their fate.

            The problem is that our "elite" and the Ukrainian, in fact, are anti-people, that those who are others earn money and the only question that interests them is, as if Uncle Sam would not take away from them beyond their power ... Hence all this dregs ... And Sam divides and rules - a classic.
    2. +2
      27 July 2019 08: 57
      Kamnev tries, but he doesn’t jump in the analysis all the time .. He seems to be missing something. winked
  6. +3
    27 July 2019 07: 51
    And he does not have much time and he will most likely make a choice in favor of the Natsiks, otherwise why this feint with a tanker?
    1. 0
      27 July 2019 08: 44
      But about a feint with a tanker, he might not have known.
      1. +1
        27 July 2019 09: 25
        It is doubtful, but if I did not know. Tepr found out (again from the media). Then what?
    2. +3
      27 July 2019 09: 34
      Yes, he has already made a choice. We are eating in Europe, but the Russian Federation must pay for the ticket, and the decision was confirmed by the "universal support of the Ukrainian people" in the elections, which gave him the right to decide on behalf of ALL! Whether we like it or not. Those sick that "the whole world is with us."
      1. 0
        28 July 2019 05: 16
        Quote: monah
        Yes, he has already made a choice. We are eating in Europe, but the Russian Federation must pay for the ticket, and the decision was confirmed by the "universal support of the Ukrainian people" in the elections, which gave him the right to decide on behalf of ALL! Whether we like it or not. Those sick that "the whole world is with us."


        Totally agree with you.
    3. 0
      27 July 2019 09: 45
      Quote: Ros 56
      why this feint with a tanker?

      why is there a feint with the arrest of a ship from Mariupol in the port of Kuban on July 22 of this year?
      1. 0
        28 July 2019 17: 23
        The first time I've heard.
  7. -2
    27 July 2019 09: 30
    The results of the choice that the Ukrainians made we saw - the majority spoke out against rapprochement with Russia. This is a fact and neither you nor we can do anything with it. Everything else is empty talk and excuses. Most voted for Zelensky, although it was already clear to everyone that he would continue Poroshenko’s policy towards Russia, so the thesis that “Ukrainians were again deceived” would not pass. Now Ukrainians must fully pay for this choice from their own pockets. So it will be fair. And by the way, not Russian businessmen met with Boyko and the company, they were received in the Kremlin. And no one has occupied you, you yourself made your choice, the results of the elections to the Rada showed this very clearly, so get what you fully deserve.
    Quote: pishchak
    Well, it is clear from your comment that you are just a "casual passer-by" ...! request
    Well, for the lack of any choice, so as not to leave my ballot to the Probander fraudsters, I voted for these so-called "pro-Russian parties" - for Boyko in the first round of quasi "pre-elections" and for the "Oppoplatform-Le Hime (For Life)" of the well-known to every "ordinary Ukrainian (in the sense of a resident of Ukraine, our population is as multinational as in Russia!)" of Judeo-Mazepa nouveau riches and scammers Boyko-Medvedchuk-Rabinovich and a completely outspoken Banderonazi who labored with them in this "head of the party" -Kivas and what's good about that ?!
    And many people did not go to these sort of "elections" at all, because there was no one to vote for - all "parties and candidates" were from a scanty "set" of any marginal collaborationist rabble completely loyal to the Washington neo-colonialists-occupiers of Ukraine, outright enemies our post-Soviet Slavic states!

    The fact that Boyko-Medvedchuk, pursuing his business interests, traveled to Moscow and met with Russian businessmen and at the same time made self-promotional "statements", by and large, for "ordinary Ukrainians" does not mean anything - we have been in these "regional" deceivers for a long time disappointed! Those preferences that Moscow businessmen provide to Ukrainian nouveau riches do not affect "ordinary Ukrainians" in any way - only the margin and profit of these supposedly "pro-Russian" beneficiaries of Moscow benefits increases!
    So, "a casual passer-by", writing about today's Ukraine, imagine us as a post-Soviet republic occupied by Washington, with a banderonazi totalitarian "regime" imposed by the occupiers, and imagine yourself in the place of "ordinary Ukrainians" - an occupied population, what "choice" we have is only that Permitted, "democratically" imitated for the Russophobic biased "world community", the invaders and their local lackeys!

    All, truly constructive and statist, and therefore pro-Russian, after all, many Ukrainians are related, Russia, the largest partner and closest neighbor of Ukraine, destroyed and crushed, almost completely, still allegedly "pro-Russian" ameroholuyi - "no alternative European integrators" Yanek-Azarov who prepared all the prerequisites for the destruction of state subjectivity and the seizure of power by outspoken Banderonazis!
    The Moscow rulers at that time, in an "Olympic" manner, calmly solved their internal problems, in foreign policy they were short-sightedly pursuing only business interests (Russian ambassadors-businessmen "gas transit" Chernomyrdin and Zurabov, who were only "passionately friends" with outspoken Russophobes in the "upper echelons" ukrovlast is a vivid example!), and indifferently watched as the Washington "partners" carry out their anti-Russian "projects" near the borders of Russia, surrounding it with a hostile ring of amerocolonized former Soviet republics, the so-called "loop of anaconda" ....! request
    1. +2
      27 July 2019 10: 07
      I read the comments here. I understand that Russia has little that can do to denazify Ukraine, using old unreliable methods. One of the most serious components of the policy towards this country until recently was economic sanctions. Nevertheless, it can be argued from the experience of Iran, the DPRK, and Cuba that sanctions have practically no effect on the political course. We must adopt the experience of all the many Western foundations of the struggle for democracy and human rights, which, acting throughout the post-Soviet space, undermine the political power system. Bandera, the nationalist course, the Western-oriented elite must be questioned, ridiculed and criticized where possible. This will be done, first of all, by opposition-minded Ukrainian journalists. For many, this, of course, will be dangerous, given the sad experience of Elder, Vyshinsky and others. Therefore, it is necessary for them to organize a grant distribution system. There are more hunters to publish materials and shoot stories for money, all the more all this criticism will be honest - a country that has lost tens of millions of people in 28 years and with half its GDP that was under the Soviet regime simply cannot go on the right path .
      1. 0
        27 July 2019 11: 16
        Correctly, strategically, think, dear Viktor19, propaganda must be active, offensive! good
        This is already a question of the defense capability, combat stability and survival of the Russian Federation itself, as if we, the passionate Ukrainian Russians, were not afraid, because of our Russian Spring-2014, your Russian bourgeois "privatizers" -because otherwise "they will have to only humiliatingly serve the transcordon hucksters in the role of "ready-made" local puppets of the Washington occupation regime, with the constant threat of "democratically" losing, in favor of the United States, their "honestly abused from the people", as Ukrainian nouveau riche-kleptoligarchs are now "serving a service" after collaboration hate! " smile
        The main thing is to educate and train youth correctly !!!
        1. +3
          27 July 2019 11: 25
          Quote: pishchak
          your Russian bourgeois "privatizers"

          You know, I don’t see much difference between the invaders from the liberal-comprador bloc in Russia and the nationalist bourgeoisie in the person of Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and others.
          1. +1
            27 July 2019 12: 07
            Quote: Victor19
            I do not see much difference between the occupiers of the liberal-comprador bloc in Russia and the nationalist bourgeoisie in the person of Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and others.

            therefore, Ukraine is where it is and the situation is the same. Russian oligarchs both worked in Ukraine and work, and some of them cheeks in the State Duma pout and shout about the war
            1. +2
              28 July 2019 17: 28
              and some of them cheeks in the State Duma inflate and shout about the war
              Reply

              Read the entire list please. request
              1. +1
                28 July 2019 17: 37
                Quote: Ros 56
                Read the entire list please.

                Babakov, if memory serves, deputy of the State Duma and the owner of hotels, hotels in Kiev and other cities. About the others, there’s no notebook at hand, in the country
  8. -1
    27 July 2019 10: 23
    Once again confirmed. that Ukraine Khan ...
  9. 0
    27 July 2019 10: 26
    The information was the other way round - gas transit will be extended, and even at a discount. Money does not smell.
  10. +3
    27 July 2019 11: 12
    Democratic elections legitimize the power that already exists in the country,

    How correctly and "tasty" the essence of the current system of power is formulated.
  11. 0
    27 July 2019 11: 21
    Quote: pishchak
    In principle, I agree with the respected Author, although the "picture" is gloomy (for me, Ukrainian Russian) turns out, because, almost 100%, I know how the "banded" Ze will act who called the residents of Donbass killed by the banderonazis very bad words and still, already in the role of the "guarantor of the Constitution of Ukraine", has not brought his public apology for this!). winked

    Yes, if only that. Yes, to hell with him, with Ze. Much more eloquent, and truthful, is his trick inviting Putin to pick him up, even for debts. This is the whole elite of Ukraine.
  12. +1
    27 July 2019 14: 25
    Power is the realized ability to control.
  13. +1
    27 July 2019 18: 46
    "while the powerless president" is an open delusion or a lie ... 1) Ukraine is a parliamentary-presidential republic (officially, it seems like), it hints to us that the power should first of all be in the hands of parliament (glad) 2) As before, the real power in Ukraine belongs to the oligarchs , it's just that now Petro Poroshenko and Akhmetov are leaving their number (they do not leave of their own accord, snapping as much as they can) 3) There will be no changes in relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine (positive, conciliatory sense) he is Macron (Macron, as we now see, is trying to think about the national interests of France and its sovereignty, mb yellow vests kicked him hard in this direction) Zelensky is currently not thinking about the interests of Ukraine (but it is possible that he will have a holiday ala yellow vests)
    Z.Y. Why does Ze not think about the interests of Ukraine? Because the Russian Federation is much closer than the United States (Canada can’t even remember the US satellite), Ze does not think about how his statements influence his attitude to him in the Russian Federation (he understands his voter closer to his body, but given the complex historical / cultural \ economic ties between Russia and Ukraine .. this is a fatal mistake)
  14. 0
    27 July 2019 20: 50
    Zelinsky did not survive in Kiev. Only the collapse of Ukraine will save him. He will flee to Dnepropetrovsk, to which Kolomoisky will attach several more neighboring regions. Zelinsky will immediately start federalizing Ukraine so that Dnepropetrovsk has more independence.
  15. -1
    28 July 2019 09: 34
    In Ukraine, what happened in Russia can only be dreamed of. Replacing power with a democratic vybory.
  16. +1
    28 July 2019 14: 16
    Ukraine has "closed" a lot of "money" of mine, pension. Oh, okay. We do not need amnesty at all "non-exonerating grounds." After the shelling of our cities, for many thousands of Donetsk residents, Ukraine is a hostile state. I will not let them enter Donbass even in "fifty kopecks" age. Donbass is our Motherland. A separate greeting to those who wore peakless caps and "black berets" of the Navy of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. "Happy holiday, brothers!
  17. Geo
    0
    28 July 2019 22: 49
    Quote: atalef
    Russia has not done anything to gain the trust and respect of Ukrainians

    Russia has not done anything to gain the trust and respect of the Yaroslavl people.
    ... Tula
    ... Novgorodians
    ... Muscovites
    ... Siberians

    Blowing insanity?
  18. -1
    29 July 2019 06: 53
    Why write this nonsense?
    Free elections and free media of Ukraine in action .... Through these elections, Ukraine showed the ravings of some media that the Nazi regime rules in Ukraine, and the power structures remained with the neo-Nazi nationalists,
    We need to stop hanging labels that are contrary to common sense: the Nazi regime of Ukraine banned Nazi symbols, the nationalist parties did not go to the Parliament of Ukraine, receiving less than 2%, and a Jew was elected President of Ukraine ...
    By the way, in the ranking of “Freedom of Speech,” Ukraine takes 113th place (partially free media), and Russia 174th place (non-free media) ....
    https://gtmarket.ru/ratings/freedom-of-the-press/info
  19. -1
    29 July 2019 13: 47
    Interesting article. We must also add a moment about the legitimacy of power in Ukraine, since the elections in Ukraine did not recognize the LPR, DPR and the Russian Federation. The situation in Ukraine can change very quickly, I hope to read more analysts on the situation in Ukraine, while we have Internet and power supply in Krasnoyarsk, as they have already warned that there may be problems with access to the Internet due to fires, it’s kind of like Internet trunk lines could burn and power supply.