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Chinese J-20 broke the record for combat cruising speed

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The newest Chinese fighter J-20 has undoubted advantages over American counterparts. One of them is the impressive performance of the speed that this machine has achieved. This writes the Chinese edition of Sohu.




The biggest feature of the J-20 is the supersonic cruising speed that the F-22 cannot match.


A Chinese machine with a full combat load, according to data released by CCTV, at a combat cruising speed, flies 52 km per minute, which in terms means reaching Mach 2,5 speed. At the same time, the same indicator for the F-22 is only Mach 1,3, which indicates a twofold advantage. In this regard, the American product can actually be called a transonic aircraft, the newspaper writes.

This means that the J-20 is the only fully supersonic combat aircraft in the world.

- concludes Sohu.

The publication reports that it was possible to reach this peak due to the aerodynamic features of the machine design ("slim body") and the engine in 18 tons. The use of the "duck" scheme (horizontal tail is located in front of the main wing) and giving the tail mobility, in turn, provide high fighter maneuverability.

The design of the J-20 is extremely successful, which indicates that China in the development of combat aircraft is completely out of the situation, forcing them to pursue advanced foreign technologies

- concludes Sohu.
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  1. neri73-r
    neri73-r 10 July 2019 11: 14
    19
    The design of the J-20 is extremely successful, which indicates that China in the development of combat aircraft is completely out of the situation, forcing them to pursue advanced foreign technologies

    Well, well, I would not have boldly claimed in their place.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 10 July 2019 12: 22
      11
      I still do not understand, and on what engines? Full load, only internal compartments need to be understood? I think ours is no less high-speed, and the engines are more reliable. I think the disease "analogs.net" has reached the Middle Kingdom ... Today, speed is not the main thing for a fighter, radar, OLS, electronic warfare is more important.
      1. pytar
        pytar 10 July 2019 13: 42
        13
        As for engines, there is very little information. It is confirmed that J-20 was tested with the Chinese Xian WS-15, which is being developed with 2006 g. One more or less intelligible photo, which I found:

        How reliable it is, is not known. By originality of arrangement, etc. I'm not an expert, I can not say anything concrete. If there are experts on the forum who understand the topic, let them comment! good
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 July 2019 15: 03
          +9
          Quote: pytar
          If there are experts on the forum who are versed in the topic, let them comment!

          according to secret (sofa) information on the J20 installed al41f ...
          It is based on engines for fourth-generation fighter aircraft AL-31F, AL-31FP and which did not go into the series engine for fifth-generation fighter aircraft AL-41F, created for the MiG 1.44 project, which is very reminiscent of .... reminds ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 July 2019 08: 57
            0
            Perhaps you are right! The Chinese are very strict about their military secrets and we can only make assumptions! "Leaks" in the Chinese media are certainly not accidental, everything is very strictly controlled there! The fact of China's rapid development in all fields of science and technology is truly impressive! They copy, steal, improve, create and new! Normal practice when you need to catch up! Everything goes to the fact that tomorrow they will dictate "fashion"! Let nito not make himself the illusion that the Chinese themselves cannot create anything! With such a large population there is full of scientists and top-level specialists, they are not in short supply! Moreover, the discipline is clearly all right, because they regularly shoot at the stadiums of their corruptionists and thieves! On the one hand, the comprehension of China is admirable, and on the other ... apprehension ... 30 years since the Dragon woke up! It is not known whether it will be for the good or in disaster, someday!
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 10 July 2019 11: 16
    +9
    Well, if this is true, then you can only congratulate the Chinese. It is curious what kind of engines are on the machine and whether ours have anything to do with them. For example, in winter there was an article on the VO that the Chinese are lagging behind in the engine structure. And then bam and afterburning supersound ....
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 10 July 2019 11: 21
      14
      And then bam and afterburning supersound ....
      Where is it about afterburning?
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 10 July 2019 11: 25
        +4
        The Chinese position the aircraft as the fifth generation. That is, it has three concepts-stealth, over-maneuverability and cruising supersonic. This concludes that such a function is present hi
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 10 July 2019 11: 26
          26
          This concludes that such a function is present
          Forbidden?
          2,5 mach?
          On the WFD?
          Are you joking?
          1. Magic archer
            Magic archer 10 July 2019 11: 28
            +4
            Not. About 2,5 Mach I did not say anything. This is his maximum speed. I originally asked a question about engines. Re-read
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 10 July 2019 11: 30
              +2
              As far as I have heard, even the SU-57 on the engines of the first stage is just entering cruising supersonic. And, like, also 2 with a tail of sound can give. Afterburner.
            2. Zhelezyakin
              Zhelezyakin 10 July 2019 11: 40
              22
              There is no single world standard for aircraft generations. Each country has its own concepts. For example, we have a demand for over-maneuverability, in the states, as far as I know, it is absent ... China again has its own understanding.
              The article states that the J-20 speed of Mach 2,5 is precisely cruising, but the fact that it is achieved at off-road engine operation is not tactfully mentioned. All this is advertising and aggressive marketing, in its purest form ...
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 10 July 2019 11: 47
                16
                Quote: Zhelezyakin
                The article states that the J-20 speed of Mach 2,5 is precisely cruising, but the fact that it is achieved at off-road engine operation is not tactfully mentioned.

                Cruising speed means the speed of the aircraft, achieved at the lowest fuel consumption to overcome the maximum distance in a minimum unit of time. How is this possible with afterburner? request
                1. Zhelezyakin
                  Zhelezyakin 10 July 2019 11: 52
                  32
                  No way, but this does not stop Chinese journalists)))
                  1. Flies
                    Flies 10 July 2019 12: 16
                    +2
                    That's for sure! No later than this morning, the same publication voiced that China has a super-duper fleet of "no competitors" in new aircraft. And one of them is a helicopter developed by our Kamovs.
                  2. tracer
                    tracer 12 July 2019 05: 26
                    +1
                    Watch Chinese kung fu movies. There they generally fly for about five minutes without afterburner in a jump and at least henna.
                2. Kurare
                  Kurare 10 July 2019 13: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  How is this possible with afterburner?

                  What about the MiG-25/31? They have a cruising mode using afterburner.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 10 July 2019 13: 46
                    +6
                    Quote: Kurare
                    What about the MiG-25/31? They have a cruising mode using afterburner.

                    Do not confuse intercept (combat) and cruise. He cannot travel a greater distance in afterburner than in non-afterburner mode. And the concept of "cruising" is just the ability to travel the greatest distance using the least amount of fuel.
                    1. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 10 July 2019 16: 20
                      +6
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      Quote: Kurare
                      What about the MiG-25/31? They have a cruising mode using afterburner.

                      Do not confuse intercept (combat) and cruise. He cannot travel a greater distance in afterburner than in non-afterburner mode. And the concept of "cruising" is just the ability to travel the greatest distance using the least amount of fuel.

                      There is also such a wording: "Cruising speed (cruising speed) is the speed of a long-term movement of an aircraft (or vehicle) at maximum speed, a slight excess of which is achieved by a significant increase in fuel consumption."
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                3. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 10 July 2019 16: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Quote: Zhelezyakin
                  The article states that the J-20 speed of Mach 2,5 is precisely cruising, but the fact that it is achieved at off-road engine operation is not tactfully mentioned.

                  Cruising speed means the speed of the aircraft, achieved at the lowest fuel consumption to overcome the maximum distance in a minimum unit of time. How is this possible with afterburner? request

                  Really supersonic production aircraft were SR-71, then MiG-25 and MiG-31. And that’s all.
                  For all of these airplanes, a long, 2,5-3M supersonic flight was the norm. It was at this speed that training and combat missions were carried out. In fact, for these aircraft, it was a cruising regime.
                4. Miron
                  Miron 11 July 2019 06: 21
                  -2
                  Cruising speed is the speed that the machine can maintain throughout the flight. Neither to profitability, nor to range, nor to invisibility, nor to afterburner, and in general, to anything else this has nothing to do.
                  In this sense, the transition to the 5th generation from the 4th from the point of view of the US Air Force is as follows.
                  If the F-15/16/18 can reach supersonic speed and maintain supersonic speed for 10 minutes, after which they fall, then the 5th generation machines had to maintain supersonic speed without restrictions on materiel, with the exception of refueling.
                  One of the interesting features of refueling vehicles of the 5th generation is that they can be refueled by each other. Therefore, theoretically, cars of the 5th generation can fly on supersound indefinitely (i.e., enough) for a long time.
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 10 July 2019 11: 31
          -1
          Quote: Magic Archer
          The Chinese position the aircraft as the fifth generation.

          The Chinese have their own vision for a generation. F-22, F-35, Su-57, J-20 - They Have This Fourth
          1. Magic archer
            Magic archer 10 July 2019 11: 36
            +2
            It doesn’t matter how they see it, the main thing is that everyone understands what is at stake wink
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 10 July 2019 11: 42
              0
              Quote: Magic Archer
              It doesn’t matter how they see it, the main thing is that everyone understands what is at stake wink

              But standardization would not hurt. To avoid any confusion and misunderstanding.
              1. krops777
                krops777 10 July 2019 14: 55
                +2
                But standardization would not hurt. To avoid any confusion and misunderstanding.


                What's the point? Only in real combat will it be clear who has which generation.
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 10 July 2019 15: 11
                  0
                  Quote: krops777
                  What's the point?

                  Well, if Aunt Vick is to be believed, "to achieve the optimum degree of ordering in a particular area by establishing provisions for universal and repeated application in relation to real or potential problems." Whatever this phrase means. what
                  Quote: krops777
                  Only in real combat will it be clear who has which generation.

                  In a real battle, it will be clear who has a better gasket between the helm and seat + support services are quick.
          2. Gunxnumx
            Gunxnumx 10 July 2019 12: 39
            +3
            Good day everyone! Apparently, in the same way as there is the concept of "Chinese FullHD", there is the concept of "Chinese supersonic". It's a joke, of course, but the progress of the Chinese is impressive (in general, and not according to the article) and, I hope, makes our authorities and designers think.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 10 July 2019 23: 57
              0
              Good day everyone! Apparently, in the same way as there is the concept of "Chinese FullHD", there is the concept of "Chinese supersonic".
              Nuuuuu ... maybe they (propagandist journalists) lay "the speed of sound in a vacuum" wassat Then even taxiing in tow will be cruising supersonic. And towing with a thaw will become a longer super sound ...
      2. okko077
        okko077 10 July 2019 11: 47
        +2
        at combat cruising speed

        And what is it?
        Maybe they still put the thickest pilot in the cockpit and set a record for a combat pilot?
      3. URAL72
        URAL72 10 July 2019 12: 24
        +2
        Cruising speed is unfortunate, another thing, is the journalist confused?
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 10 July 2019 12: 29
          -1
          Cruising speed is unfortunate, another thing, is the journalist confused?
          based on
          Cruising speed means the speed of the aircraft, achieved at the lowest fuel consumption to overcome the maximum distance in a minimum unit of time.
          Not the fact that the cruiser speed is necessarily supersonic.
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 10 July 2019 12: 39
            0
            And who said necessarily? The Chinese claim that they came to the afterburner supersonic. I did not check.
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 10 July 2019 12: 40
              0
              The Chinese claim that they came to the afterburner supersonic.
              Why not?
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 10 July 2019 12: 44
                +4
                Indeed, why not? The question raises only the numbers indicated - it painfully looks like the maximum afterburner, without suspensions.
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 10 July 2019 12: 46
                  0
                  The question raises only the numbers indicated - it painfully looks like the maximum afterburner, without suspensions.
                  What I hint at hard! laughing
            2. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 10 July 2019 15: 13
              0
              Quote: URAL72
              The Chinese claim that they came to the afterburner supersonic. I did not check.

              Did anyone check this at all?
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    2. potterz
      potterz 10 July 2019 12: 00
      -1
      It could well pass Ukraine. Or maybe the designers themselves are working there.
    3. 113262a
      113262a 10 July 2019 12: 18
      0
      Motorsich admonished! There is nothing to add, today I’ve read it somewhere!
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 10 July 2019 15: 15
        -1
        Quote: 113262
        Motorsich admonished!

        As in one not very decent proverb: "Give your wife to your uncle, and you yourself go ... in the other direction."
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 10 July 2019 15: 31
        0
        Well, yes, for sure, I find out, this is the same engine from MI-24, and this has long been one of the fastest helicopters. Put on the plane, the fastest plane turned out.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 July 2019 15: 05
      -2
      .
      Quote: Magic Archer
      It is curious what kind of engines stand on the machine and whether ours are related to them.

      according to secret (sofa) information on the J20 installed al41f ...
      It is based on engines for fourth-generation fighter aircraft AL-31F, AL-31FP and not having passed into the series engine for fifth-generation fighter aircraft AL-41F, created for the MiG 1.44 project, which is very reminiscent of .... reminds ..
    5. vic02
      vic02 11 July 2019 10: 34
      0
      It's too early to congratulate. This is most likely an experimental car with the same engines. November 8, 2018 TASS media: Chinese WS-15 engines failed to debut at the Zhuhai Airshow (https://tass.ru/ekonomika/5768392): "The WS-15 engine is still very unstable in operation, and engineers have not yet were able to identify the cause of the problem, although the traction force is quite sufficient. " "According to experts, the lack of new items at the airshow means that these plans (serial production from the end of 18) will have to be postponed."

      ХХ-15 - WS-15, А-31 - AL-31, from top to bottom: steps, thrust on the afterburner, thrust without afterburner, specific fuel consumption on the afterburner and without it, air consumption, gas temperature in front of the turbine, engine mass, specific traction.
      I must say that they seemed to be able to finish WS-10, albeit with a very small resource.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 10 July 2019 11: 17
    11
    A Chinese vehicle with full combat load, according to data released by CCTV, flies 52 km per minute at a combat cruising speed, which in terms of achieving a speed of Mach 2,5.

    Well this is understandable ... but how many minutes can it fly at such a speed and at what altitude?
    After all, fuel consumption and heating of the leading edges of the wing are very large ... one salvation is to fly at high altitudes where the friction force of the air decreases.
    And what are the consequences for the wing material after such temperature loads?
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 10 July 2019 11: 22
      0
      In any case, this speaks of the great successes of the PRC in modern aviation and engine building. I think a little more and the PRC will become a trendsetter in modern technology.
      1. vik669
        vik669 10 July 2019 11: 39
        +2
        The PRC will become a trendsetter - they will get up and deservedly they are busy with business without any la la!
      2. Oleg2003
        Oleg2003 11 July 2019 01: 12
        0
        Success in engine building? What is it like?
  4. K-50
    K-50 10 July 2019 11: 28
    37
    A Chinese vehicle with full combat load, according to data released by CCTV, flies 52 km per minute at a combat cruising speed, which in terms of achieving a speed of Mach 2,5.

    Journalists they are such journalists !!! fellow lol
    52 km per minute is 3120 km per hour. Not a single aircraft, except for the MiG-31, can reach such a speed, especially at a cruising speed "with full combat load" !!!!
    But journalists apparently have their own universe, an alternative one, and simple mathematical calculations are unknown to her. request fellow laughing
    Especially surprising is the fact of such speed that Russian planes with the same engines, since China buys them from Russia, do not suffer from such agility.
    Maybe the Chinese pilots are fed peas before the flight? what lol
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 10 July 2019 11: 36
      +3
      But journalists apparently have their own universe, an alternative one, and simple mathematical calculations are unknown to her.

      It's right smile too much advertising and little specificity on the technical side of the matter ... the authors of such articles skillfully manipulate quotes from editorials of newspapers and competently dust the townsfolk with usually not bothering laws of physics, chemistry, sections of material science ... since the Chinese said that their plane flies 52 km per minute means it is ... take on faith heh heh.
      Where the journalistic world is heading ... they lie without blinking an eye.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 11 July 2019 00: 04
        0
        This is true smile too much advertising and a little specificity on the technical side of things ...
        In China, for much less, you can get a bullet in the back of the head with a live broadcast on TV. Not to mention "a lot of specifics on the technical side of the matter." I think their journalists are very aware of this.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 10 July 2019 11: 50
      +1
      For K-50 (Alexey) ...

      This is me about the height of the MiG-31 ...

      It's not entirely clear about super-maneuverability. The "Chinese" is made on the "image" of the F-22/35, which with onna is really bad ...
      1. IvanT
        IvanT 10 July 2019 12: 26
        +1
        The Chinese is a symbiosis of a moment 1.44 (sold themselves) and f22
    3. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 10 July 2019 12: 37
      +1
      The thing, apparently, is that the aircraft has a movable tail. Here is the whole secret of such agility. laughing tongue laughing
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 July 2019 12: 50
        +2
        I do not think that a moving tail at such speeds can provide over-maneuverability. This is not a flying squirrel ... wink
    4. Skay
      Skay 10 July 2019 14: 11
      +4
      52 km per minute is 3120 km per hour. Not a single aircraft, except for the MiG-31, can reach such a speed, especially at a cruising speed "with full combat load" !!!!
      But journalists apparently have their own universe, an alternative one, and simple mathematical calculations are unknown to her.

      Remembering the wonders of trade relations with the Chinese, I mean that there are a different number of meters in a Chinese kilometer. Or the meters themselves are different. smile
      1. Oleg2003
        Oleg2003 11 July 2019 01: 13
        0
        That is yes. It inspires.
    5. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 July 2019 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      52 km per minute is 3120 km per hour. Not a single aircraft, except for the MiG-31, can reach such a speed, especially at a cruising speed "with full combat load" !!!!

      Well, the article says about a draft of 18 tons, it can be assumed that the Zh20 can be as close as possible to SU35s and no more.
    6. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 11 July 2019 00: 02
      0
      Maybe the Chinese pilots are fed peas before the flight?
      Or block the disengagement of missiles from guides and make live firing wassat hi
  5. Krilovchanin
    Krilovchanin 10 July 2019 11: 29
    +2
    To such speeds, I remember, even the MiG-25 accelerated, not really straining, until the designers banned it.
  6. Bacha
    Bacha 10 July 2019 11: 30
    +8
    One gets the feeling that Prokopenko moonlights as a freelancer among the Chinese.)))
  7. Rostislav Bely
    Rostislav Bely 10 July 2019 11: 32
    -3
    Xian WS-15 - whose engines are slammed))) and what resource do they have? - At the moment, the only in operation, serial fighters using this technology are the Su-35 and Sukhoi Su-30MKI (stolen from the Wikipedia org)
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 July 2019 11: 36
      +1
      Which resource? Enough for a box.
    2. Oleg2003
      Oleg2003 10 July 2019 11: 52
      +1
      In-in, set a record and you need to change the engines.
      1. Rostislav Bely
        Rostislav Bely 10 July 2019 12: 17
        -1
        This is the same as with the MC-21 - they do not want to launch anyone into their market ... the result is like with Huawei, many things were developed by Russian specialists (especially scientific thought and language) - they are not allowed to enter other markets ... And with us would be a good tandem (in a number of specialties Chinese students in the west are not allowed to study), but there is such a terrible animal FROZD that crushes)))
  8. Carib
    Carib 10 July 2019 11: 43
    +3
    Yes, our engines. If you recall, the Chinese bought a Su-35 with spare engines, and so they were put in order to test and promote their planes ...
  9. sir_obs
    sir_obs 10 July 2019 11: 47
    +8
    In open print, the speed doubles f22 look like this:
    Maximum speed: 2410 km / h - maximum (M = 2,25)
    Supersonic cruising speed: 1960 km / h (M = 1,82)

    It turns out that the Chinese device on cruising is faster than the maximum possible for f22?
    A bold but rather controversial statement.

    But, if this is so, then no one bothers to officially register this record, and not to come up with the best advertising.

    But with records so far in Chinese aviation is not crowded.
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 July 2019 11: 49
    0
    F-22 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.5 MAX for about 1800 km.
    Afterburner Overdrive 2.2 MAX.
    F-35 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.2 MAX for about 600 km.
    Afterburner supersonic 1.6 MAX.
    1. Antares
      Antares 10 July 2019 12: 17
      -1
      1800 and 600 ..
      is a "wagon" always worse than a "specialist"?
      Although it may cost versatility.
    2. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 10 July 2019 12: 51
      +4
      According to the formally declared characteristics, the F-35 does not have the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburner. However, according to Lockheed Martin vice president Stephen O'Bryan, the fighter is capable of flying at a speed corresponding to M = 1,2 (i.e. 1,2 times the speed of sound) over ≈240 km without turning on the afterburner.
    3. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 10 July 2019 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      F-22 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.5 MAX for about 1800 km.
      Afterburner Overdrive 2.2 MAX.
      F-35 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.2 MAX for about 600 km.
      Afterburner supersonic 1.6 MAX.


      Even if the WS-15 flight prototypes achieved 180 kilonewtons (40,000 lbf) of thrust in afterburner - this is about 110-120 kN in afterburner mode, this is 1,6 M in afterburner mode and 2,5M is afterburner supersonic.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 July 2019 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      F-35 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.2 MAX for about 600 km.

      Yes? and Wikipedia says about 850 km / h cruising speed !!!!!!!
      where is the bezforsazhka 1,2 and the maximum speed with the afterburner 1,6?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 July 2019 17: 02
        +1
        0.85 MAX - the most economical mode for the F-35. Maximum fuel economy. But he can reach speeds of up to 1.2 MAX without turning on the afterburner and fly like this for several hundred kilometers.
        This will consume much more fuel.
        When you turn on the afterburner, the F-35 can reach a speed of 1.6 MAX. Afterburner fuel consumption is huge. Only short jerks on the afterburner are possible.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 July 2019 17: 20
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But he can reach speeds of up to 1.2 MAX without turning on the afterburner and fly so several hundred kilometers

          confuses the modest difference of 1,2 - 1,6 ...... for SU35 it's 1,1-2,25 !!!!!!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 July 2019 17: 39
            0
            Two engines can give the aircraft a much more powerful afterburner spurt than one.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 10 July 2019 22: 33
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          economy mode for the F-35.

          In the case of "penguin" you can use any adjectives ... but not that. laughing
  11. yehat
    yehat 10 July 2019 11: 49
    +6
    Quote: Magic Archer
    The Chinese position the aircraft as the fifth generation. That is, it has three concepts-stealth, over-maneuverability and cruising supersonic. This concludes that such a function is present

    where did you get that these signs are signs of the 5th generation?
    and if the Americans release a fighter with a pool - will you consider this also a sign for the 6th generation?
    The 5th generation is just a radical leap of opportunity. It is achieved in various ways, on airplanes with different specializations.
    the f-22 is stealth, passive reconnaissance and a high orientation to the fact that he will launch the rocket first, while maintaining a very decent LTTH.
    f-35 relies on versatility and coordination, while maintaining stealth
    in the su-57 it is primarily high fighting qualities with a high range and speed + stealth.
    the J-20 has a clear focus on interception. He has shitty with stealth, shitty with cruising supersonic, shitty with super maneuverability, but nevertheless the J-20 may well be the best in the world in the role of an interceptor, including of strategic importance. And the Chinese have already cut down the necessary missiles for this.

    they are all different with different signs
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 July 2019 11: 51
    +1
    Chinese edition of Sohu
    It is clear that the Chinese sandpiper will exclusively praise his Chinese swamp. And advertising for that and advertising to embellish, refine and eventually try to sell. The arms sales market is necessary to conquer.
  13. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 10 July 2019 12: 00
    +4
    There is a concept of "cruising speed" - the optimal speed with minimum fuel consumption for the maximum flight range, it differs for supersonic and subsonic flight modes.
    There is a concept of maximum speed.

    What is "combat cruising speed"? - what a confusion of concepts - some kind of nonsense.

    At a speed of M = 2.5, there can be no talk of any cruising speed - a substitution of concepts.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 July 2019 12: 10
      0
      They argue whether the plane can
      keep stable supersonic speed (and which one) in a long horizontal flight without using an afterburner.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 10 July 2019 12: 00
    +1
    Measured and will be measured on, by everyone and everyone! And yes, the sandpiper will flood about his swamp like that nightingale!
    The truth, as always, is somewhere there, here it is unlikely.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 July 2019 12: 09
    +4
    "Duck" in Peking ... On the conscience of Chinese journalists. Afterburner 2.5 M with full load ... laughing
    I remember that something like that was about a submarine. Too them. And also, like, the Pacific Ocean in six hours.
  16. lucul
    lucul 10 July 2019 12: 21
    +1
    Chinese J-20 broke the record for combat cruising speed

    Bullshit ....))))
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 July 2019 12: 37
    +4
    Sohu began to seriously mess up NI ....! Majmoor lured?
  18. yehat
    yehat 10 July 2019 13: 01
    +2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    "Duck" in Peking ... On the conscience of Chinese journalists

    very tasty, recommend.
  19. Boomandroid
    Boomandroid 10 July 2019 13: 02
    +2
    As I understand it, there’s a new feature on top var, now they’re not dripping
    The National Interest, and Sohu
  20. yehat
    yehat 10 July 2019 13: 05
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    F-22 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.5 MAX for about 1800 km.
    Afterburner Overdrive 2.2 MAX.
    F-35 flies on afterburner (cruising) supersonic 1.2 MAX for about 600 km.
    Afterburner supersonic 1.6 MAX.

    where is it from you?
    as far as I know, f-22 can’t fly like that on 1.5M.
    look at the dok.films about his tests - there weren’t there either.
    I think about f-35 you were misled.
    Finally, did you look at the f-22 fuel supply? He stupidly has no tanks to fly the way you said.
  21. yehat
    yehat 10 July 2019 13: 09
    +3
    Quote: sir_obs
    It turns out that the Chinese device on cruising is faster than the maximum possible for f22?
    A bold but rather controversial statement.

    they have close total engine power, even the f-22 is a bit larger.
    how a Chinese man could suddenly surpass the raptor at cruising speed - it’s not clear
    and even on engines that are definitely not created for such flight modes.
    if this were so, ours would not have been soaring with item 30, but would have stupidly upgraded al31 to a bluish appearance.
  22. yehat
    yehat 10 July 2019 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Rostislav Bely
    However, according to Lockheed Martin vice president Stephen O'Bryan, the fighter is capable of flying at a speed corresponding to M = 1,2 (i.e. 1,2 times the speed of sound) over ≈240 km without turning on the afterburner.

    but most likely he uses an afterburner to disperse and overcome the barrier.
    if you take into account how much time it takes, it turns out that without an afterburner, the f-35 can fly on supersonic, but only turning it off for 2 minutes - according to Stephen.
    it’s about the same as dialing 120 mph by car, letting go of the gas pedal and say - look, I have 120 on my neutral car for a while.
    in my opinion, this could be done by our fighter mig-21 and their phantom about 30 years ago.
  23. Amateur
    Amateur 10 July 2019 13: 21
    +3
    52 km at combat cruising speed

    That is, he flew at this speed only 52 km. And then all this was counted in a super-duper.
    By this time OKB S.K. Tumansky gave permission to increase the engine operating time in full mode from 3 minutes to 8, and then to 40. This made it possible to carry out almost all flights without restrictions and at maximum speed. After a few minutes, the MiG-25 gained speed M = 2,5 and entered the route. The flights took place at full engine operation, maximum speed and altitude of 17-23 km, which was the only means of protection for the unarmed reconnaissance. Nobody really could keep up with him.
    (http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/mig25/shturm.html) MiG-25 in Egypt, 1971.
  24. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 10 July 2019 13: 23
    +1
    Comparative old fantasy film "Mission Serenity" - Chinese ship, all tablets - Chinese characters.

    The prophetic vision of Hollywood?

    1. bars1
      bars1 10 July 2019 13: 58
      +1
      The Chinese ship in Mission Seriniti ... At that time it was obvious to everyone that this was the most fantastic fantasy!
      1. Laughtermaster
        Laughtermaster 11 July 2019 13: 26
        0
        They showed everything right. After all, this Chinese was a stibrin clone of a Russian or American ship. China is the same.
  25. ZVS
    ZVS 10 July 2019 13: 41
    +1
    Well, what cruising speed is this? The Chinese have absolutely no idea about cruising speed? The Chinese flew a minute in full afterburner. That's when he flies at the afterburner mode at such a speed, then let them throw their caps up.
  26. Engineer
    Engineer 10 July 2019 14: 17
    +6
    "combat cruising speed" is a new term for Chinese aviation
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 10 July 2019 15: 17
      0
      Indeed, this is not entirely clear. I wonder - what then is the Chinese maximum speed and just cruising ??? what
  27. Timon2155
    Timon2155 10 July 2019 15: 41
    +1
    Here the numbers are clearly not matching. 52km per minute is 867 m / s. Mach is the speed of sound. So, we divide 867 by 2,5 and get 346 m / s. Mismatch, to say the least! At the ground, it turns out, measured the speed of the apparatus? Nafig will melt)))))
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 July 2019 16: 30
    -1
    Well, what is the radius of the loop and how much does a turn and let it compare with ours, and even with the MiG-29.
    Do not swear, I know that the photo is not MiG, it's just a photo overcoming the sound barrier.
    1. NN52
      NN52 10 July 2019 22: 10
      +1
      Ros 56 (Yuri)
      This is not a photo of overcoming the sound barrier ... as you write ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 July 2019 08: 27
        0
        I will not argue, I wanted to upload a video to you, writes that the file has the wrong extension. And I am not strong in this matter. Type in the search engine "Airplane supersonic video", you will see a lot of interesting things.
        1. VIa47
          VIa47 11 July 2019 23: 31
          0
          In the photo, the Coanda effect. It has nothing to do with overcoming the sound barrier.
  29. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 July 2019 16: 40
    0
    This means that the J-20 is the only fully supersonic combat aircraft in the world.

    - concludes Sohu.

    Well, for example, MIG-31 or MIG-25, according to the Chinese aside, they smoke. lol
    1. NN52
      NN52 10 July 2019 22: 14
      +1
      NEXUS (Andrey)

      Your comparison is incorrect ... Do you even study the materiel ... For starters, and then comment.
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 10 July 2019 16: 44
    -1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Cruising speed means the speed of the aircraft, achieved at the lowest fuel consumption to overcome the maximum distance

    The F-22 has a "supersonic" cruising speed which differs from the best cruising speed. The Chinese should be hit by the same thing - supersonic cruising and normal cruising speed.
  31. Eug
    Eug 10 July 2019 21: 27
    0
    Vague doubts torment me - but what about heating the skin and the flashlight at such a speed? What is it (sheathing) made of? And what time can he fly at that speed? And there are options for the engine - it is possible that the P79-300 variant with a direct nozzle is at the core. This engine with a rotary nozzle is designed for the Yak-41. There was an article that in the late 90s, his sample was transferred to the Chinese.
  32. Freedim
    Freedim 10 July 2019 21: 42
    +6
    Quote: Ros 56
    it's just a photo overcoming the sound barrier.

    A common misconception ... This effect is condensation of moisture in the zone of reduced pressure .. Exit to supersonic sound is not required. :)
  33. Dart
    Dart 10 July 2019 22: 15
    0
    you will not praise yourself, no one will praise.
  34. Yar_Vyatkin
    Yar_Vyatkin 11 July 2019 01: 30
    +1
    You can't praise yourself ... Where does 2.5M come from even the MAXIMUM speed? I'm not talking about cruising gj. There is no maximum speed for 2M either. I'm not sure what this overweight pepelats does at least 1.6M at top speed. Considering its origin from 1.44 and "modern" technologies that stick out of all the cracks (look at least at the drives of mechanization and their dimensions - for specialists, all these details just hit the eye).
  35. Lunt
    Lunt 11 July 2019 01: 37
    0
    To the TR-3B Astra he is still far away.
  36. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 11 July 2019 06: 44
    0
    Well, what other news from the publication of the Chinese "hurray-patriots" can there be?
  37. Wanderer1975
    Wanderer1975 11 July 2019 11: 59
    0
    2,5 Mach cruising speed? Weakly believe in this, they launch the duck to feel the reaction of the public.
  38. Kirill Petrov
    Kirill Petrov 11 July 2019 12: 28
    0
    "writes the Chinese edition of Sohu" - translated into Russian, it is, "Scribbled on the Chinese fence .."
    -
    Su-57
    at subsonic cruising speed:
    with 63% of fuel - 2700 km.
    with 100% fuel - 4300 km.
    with 2 PTB (outboard fuel tank) - 5500 km.
    at supersonic cruising (afterburning) speed:
    with 63% of fuel - 1200 km.
    with 100% fuel - 2000 km.
  39. Laughtermaster
    Laughtermaster 11 July 2019 13: 20
    0
    Another dullness record was struck.
  40. VladVlad
    VladVlad 11 July 2019 15: 30
    0
    Trump does the right thing to tax the Chinese. Assign alien supertechnologies. I should be ashamed to be decent Chinese.
  41. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 11 July 2019 15: 47
    0
    Nu-nu ... And the engine resource is many times better than Amers and Russian?
  42. Svetoslav
    Svetoslav 11 July 2019 17: 48
    0
    Quote: Piramidon
    Cruising speed means the speed of the aircraft, achieved at the lowest fuel consumption to overcome the maximum distance in a minimum unit of time. How is this possible with afterburner?

    In principle, this is possible, and was successfully implemented on the MiG-25. His cruising speed (precisely to achieve maximum flight range) was using afterburner. Regarding the Chinese, is in doubt.
  43. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 July 2019 11: 27
    0
    it would be interesting to know the resource. I personally do not believe that China can create its full 10th generation aircraft in 20-5 years. By the way, the size of their j-20 is reminiscent of some small bomber. Very large glider for a fighter.
    I don’t believe in their AFAR technology, I don’t believe that their engines have a standard resource, I don’t believe in such a supersonic. those. he may be like that, but he is sure that it is achieved due to some other indicators. A country that is developing its 5th generation la should not purchase a 4th generation la in order to receive technology. This suggests that they do not have their own technologies for the 4th generation. this is how to create immediately after the onion ak-47. This does not happen.
  44. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 12 July 2019 12: 00
    0
    And what resource does the glider have at such speeds?