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HIV in every home: not a propaganda trick, but a harsh Russian reality

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13 ominous number


In thirteen Russian regions, the situation with the incidence of HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) exceeded the epidemiological level. That is, the number of cases there is more than one percent of the total population. And the leader among the Russian regions is the Irkutsk region - 1814 people are sick there for every 100 000 inhabitants, or 1,8 percent of the total population.




Doctors note several warning signs at once. First of all, HIV is increasingly transmitted outside the so-called risk groups, among quite normal, heterosexual men and women. The proportion of those infected during heterosexual contacts (for those who are too lazy to go to the search engine - these are the usual “man + woman” pairs) reached 54,8% - that is, more than half of all newly ill people became victims of frivolity, and not some serious defects or distortions.

Previously, most of the cases were in the risk groups - drug addicts using injecting drugs, homosexuals, employees of the “intimate services industry”. And such a shift in emphasis points only to one thing - HIV “went to the people”, ceased to be, although terrible, but exotic, and now it can literally touch everyone.



Since it is common for the human psyche to skip past the consciousness of various kinds of “dry numbers”, let us specify the voiced above a little bit. No, no propaganda nightmares, just a little mental "visualization."

Simple human language


Translating statistics into a simple human language, we can say for sure that in thirteen Russian regions, HIV has come to every home. Do not believe? Then let's take the usual panel five-story building: three apartments on each site, fifteen apartments for the entrance, a total of four entrances - a total of sixty apartments. Apartments in houses are different, they are unevenly populated, but without exaggeration we can say that the average population density of apartments in our five-story buildings is slightly higher than two people. That is, a 120 person lives in each five-story building, or slightly higher.

But if we are right in our calculations, then at least for the record holder regions mentioned above, the assertion that a person with HIV is in every five-storey building is true. On average, at least one. Although in reality, of course, it is your house that can be clean. But this only means that in some other house of the sick two, three, five ...

By the way, he can live on your staircase. And the likelihood that the patient lives in your stairwell is not so small at all - somewhere 25%.

Do you live in a more prosperous region? Do you have better statistics? Well, you can be happy for you ... But do not relax much - in 35 regions, the incidence of HIV has reached or exceeded 0,5%. So if you have a slightly higher population density of five-story buildings, the picture will be about the same ...

Previously, the patient could, if not "calculate", then at least assume - it was enough just to bypass the side of drug addicts and punish their children to stay away from them. But today everything is not so obvious - any person can be infected.

The risk group has expanded at the expense of absolutely all young women - they are more susceptible to infection during heterosexual contact, and “mistakes of youth” occur in all. As they say, “love of evil” ... And the promiscuity and irresponsibility that is being cultivated now is even more evil.

But it is not worthwhile to exclude men from the “list of suspects” - the risk for them is slightly less, but, as a rule, the frequency of “adventures” is slightly more frequent. So with a young neighbor who rented an apartment on the floor above, you should also be careful ...

Among the sick there can be a quite decent couple, and their child, so innocent and cute - it’s enough for one adult to “go to the left” unsuccessfully, and the whole family immediately falls into the risk group. That is, strictly speaking, now you cannot be sure about anything at all ...

And contraceptives we can not afford


The problem is greatly aggravated by the fact that the majority of Russians do not want to use condoms. One “feeling is not the same”, another is a pity for money. It is not surprising that the increase in HIV incidence is occurring against the background of falling sales of this type of contraceptives - they say that economic difficulties are the cause, but these are, of course, just attacks on our wonderful government and the great successes it has achieved recently.

If you do not live in a panel (or brick, it doesn’t matter) five-storey building, you still should not relax. A patient with HIV can be in almost every crowded bus, tram, subway car, train. No, of course, you do not get airborne droplets from it. Just remember that HIV is not some kind of distant African abstraction, but a thing that you (it is you!) That you face everyday.

Probably, for many, such a “picture” does not seem to be alarming. Well, just think, 1-2 patients on the house, what nonsense. Worse is unlikely to be? But do not be in a hurry to rejoice: it happens worse, so that with our attitude to our own health, we can still be ahead.

For example, it is worth taking the situation in the south of the African continent, in South Africa, Mozambique, Botswana and adjacent states. According to reports, about 15% of the adult population is sick there. That is, in terms of our realities, approximately 4 person for each entrance of a typical five-story building. Or almost one person for each staircase ...

It is noteworthy that the epidemiological situation with HIV and AIDS in Botswana led to a decrease in life expectancy in this country from 65 to 35 years to 2006. We, of course, have better indicators, so, probably, you can calm down?

Yes, we do not yet have South Africa, there are some differences not only in the climate. But personally, I still remember those times when HIV and AIDS seemed far from exotic to us. Believe me, if in the early nineties someone said that even during my life, HIV would come literally to our every home, I would have just laughed.

But if someone now says that soon an HIV-infected person will live with us on every staircase, I will definitely not be laughing ...

Just in case, I want to clarify - the purpose of this article is not to “chill” the reader, and certainly not to call for the start of a witch hunt. No, this is just another attempt to explain with the simplest and most understandable language the seemingly obvious thing - HIV is close, it is not an abstraction and not a horror film for tickling nerves. He is in every home, and he only thinks about how to get into your apartment. Take care of yourself and your loved ones, communicate with your children on this difficult topic, and try to convey to them the seriousness of the situation. In the end, let your family read this article, or professional medical professionals, unfortunately, often don’t see the problem behind the numbers.

Well, the final touch. According to statistics, each article in the "VO" reads several tens of thousands of people (on average). That is, among those who have read this article there will be guaranteed several dozen HIV-infected people. Some of them probably still have no idea about this trouble.

And it may well be that it is you ...
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 15: 12
    +35
    Worse is unlikely to be?

    In fact, it is worse now, because the figures cited are just official statistics, and it is understated. And not because, even, that someone consciously does this, but because the number of undetected HIV-infected people is very large. Simply put, not all potential patients were examined, that's all.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 15: 17
      +10
      the wife once said that until treatment is found, the number of infected people will increase in any case. simply for one simple reason that it is impossible to localize the virus without strict quarantine measures. working with the population of course reduces all these numbers but does not stop them. a lot of those who simply do not know that he is infected and continues to live an ordinary life for some time.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 15: 25
        +18
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        many of those who simply do not know that he is infected and continues to live a normal life for some time.

        Exactly
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        the wife once said that until the treatment was found, the number of infected would grow anyway

        Do not think for a fawn, but I absolutely agree with your wife on this issue. hi
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        just for one simple reason that it is impossible to localize a virus without hard quarantine measures

        Yes. Just the spread of HIV for some time occurred mainly in risk groups - injection drug addicts, etc., but at some point it went beyond these groups, and then the epidemic began. Then everything will only get worse, and much more - because there is no cure, and protection is not absolute. The situation to some extent is saved by the fact that HIV is not so easily transmitted (EMNIP on 1 infection of the order of 150 sexual acts, or something like that) but ... Not everyone likes children, but the process itself :))))) )
        In general, a condom, an aqualung, a gas mask is our everything, and most importantly - no sex! laughing
        1. bk316
          bk316 5 July 2019 15: 31
          +15
          That's right in the comments.
          And about the impossibility of stopping the epidemic and the result that was underestimated, and about protection measures.
          The good news is that it is not transmitted by airborne droplets, so at least 100 addicts will pass by - you will not get infected. But it saddens that a trip to the dentist or to the hairdresser may end in infection. Moreover, the probability of infection through an unsterilized instrument is higher than through sexual intercourse.
          1. Azis
            Azis 5 July 2019 16: 25
            +7
            Have you forgotten the "tattoo shops" (tattoo parlors) that are so popular now.
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 15: 34
          +3
          he could not help but go out. it is foolish to hope that the virus will be limited to some kind of social groups and live only within it. remember how it started and how it scattered around the world during this time. how much did not invest in it. as he was not informed, it was still more and more. Again, a healthy lifestyle. I am sure that more than 90 percent of people go to the doctor only if it has become very bad.
          Exactly) no) and three layers of electrical tape)))
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 15: 48
            +2
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            he could not leave. It’s foolish to hope that the virus will be limited to some kind of social groups and live only within its

            Personally, I had some hope that, while the virus had not yet gone beyond the risk groups, an antidote would be found. And so it is clear that without him it is a matter of time.
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            Exactly) no) and three layers of electrical tape)))

            AAAAAH !!!!! About the most important - IZOLENTU! - I forgot. We urgently need to be checked laughing
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 15: 55
              +1
              I think some tough measures should have been taken 20-30 years ago. at the world level. now every year the quantity will only grow. somewhere more somewhere less. statistics are no longer needed by country but by world. I think it will be even worse. opening the borders to migrants, Europe the same rate of infection only accelerated at times.
              1. Rey_ka
                Rey_ka 8 July 2019 09: 57
                +1
                "Cut to hell without waiting for perotonite!" only radical measures will lead to positive dynamics!
        3. Constructor68
          Constructor68 5 July 2019 18: 43
          -6
          Come on, exaggerate about some kind of figures of uncertain carriers. Now almost any citizen at least once a year, but donates blood for tests. Either there is a medical board, then you need to pass in order to get an appointment. In this way, they usually reveal it.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 19: 00
            +7
            Quote: Designer 68
            Come on, exaggerate about some digits of undefined media. Now almost every citizen at least once a year, but donates blood for tests.

            Not every. Judging by myself and friends.
            Quote: Designer 68
            Thus usually and reveal.

            Sorry, but you are mistaken. The same blood count does not reveal HIV. There are some nuances that allow one to suspect that a person has one, but they do not necessarily show up, and the doctor may simply not pay attention to them.
          2. Archon
            Archon 9 July 2019 06: 55
            0
            although an HIV test costs about two hundred rubles, it won’t be done on regular blood tests because it is checked for completely different purposes.
            All biological tests are narrowly targeted and no one will take a sample of the biomaterial and try to find everything possible in it. A drug test searches only for drugs, a sugar test searches only for sugar, etc.
            It's like hoping that if you give your TV to a person with a multimeter, then it measures not only voltage, resistance and current strength, but also weight, color, size.
        4. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 July 2019 09: 57
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          In general, a condom, an aqualung, a gas mask is our everything, and most importantly - no sex!

          It's like that...

          But where to go from the dentist? request You can’t wear a gas mask there ....
          And he is one of major sources of hepatitis C infection and HIV.

          And even the most expensive ones are no reason to be calm ......
          1. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 8 July 2019 09: 58
            0
            The doctor opens the package with the cutter when you ...
      2. capsid
        capsid 5 July 2019 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        the wife once said that until treatment is found, the number of infected people will increase in any case. simply for one simple reason that it is impossible to localize the virus without strict quarantine measures. working with the population of course reduces all these numbers but does not stop them. a lot of those who simply do not know that he is infected and continues to live an ordinary life for some time.

        The trouble is that carriers (especially drug addicts) and young people on the left and on the right are fucked up, the virus cannot be defeated ..
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 17: 29
          0
          I look at the statistics on patients in my region. the largest part is unemployed. in second place are workers. so it’s not so simple.
        2. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 6 July 2019 18: 13
          0
          capsid. The trouble is that carriers (especially drug addicts) and young people ....
          According to Rospotrebnadzor, over three years the number of regions with the HIV epidemic in Russia has increased by more than 40%. 70% of new cases in 2018 are economically active people aged 30-50.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2019 15: 30
      +6
      And there are even more dangerous diseases such as hepatitis and cancer that are not inferior in anything to the prevalence of HIV in Russia. The first second and third - very badly treated in 60 - 70% can not be cured at all.
    3. ser56
      ser56 5 July 2019 15: 51
      +3
      It seems like you need to teach children to require help to close ... repeat
      1. Departure
        Departure 5 July 2019 16: 28
        +4
        I have to disappoint you. The time of non-identification of the pathogen after infection can vary from 30 days to six months, this help will only partially help you.
        For good, the blood plasma from the donor is stored for six months, then the same donor comes again and it is tested, if the tests are clean, then the plasma is taken into circulation, and a new one is laid for six months again.
        1. ser56
          ser56 5 July 2019 16: 51
          0
          Quote: departure
          I have to disappoint you

          Not at all - I know the details, and I am not only AIDS ..
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 00
        0
        And did not try to teach that any Fornication is Sin !?
        1. ser56
          ser56 8 July 2019 11: 12
          0
          Quote: Rey_ka
          And did not try to teach that any Fornication is Sin !?

          and I’m not teaching this, but the commandments ... by the way, this also applies to the future husband / wife ...
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 July 2019 16: 39
      +1
      As the morale of the population falls, the number of HIV-infected people will grow and progress. An example of the same Mozambique, over 30 years there HIV has jumped over all barriers and continues to grow.
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 00: 46
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        As the morale of the population falls, the number of HIV-infected people will grow and progress. An example of the same Mozambique, over 30 years there HIV has jumped over all barriers and continues to grow.


        Who violated the morale of the inhabitants of Mozambique 30 years ago - can television with advertising?
        1. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 00
          +2
          I demand to check all residents of the TV show "House -2"
    5. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 6 July 2019 05: 14
      +1
      these are just official statistics, but they are underestimated

      I agree.
      Not just understated, but understated by 3-4 times.
      And precisely because:
      the number of undiagnosed HIV-infected people is very high. Simply put, not all potential cases have been examined, that’s all.

      My sister works as a surgeon. All patients are "banished" before the operation for AIDS.
      And a very large percentage of people find out that they are infected with HIV just before the operation.
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

        My sister works as a surgeon. All patients are "banished" before the operation for AIDS.
        And a very large percentage of people find out that they are infected with HIV just before the operation.


        A large percentage of people find out that infected with HIV just before surgery.
        And before the operation, were these people sick with HIV? Are such statistics kept?
        1. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 02
          0
          all analyzes are sent before a simple medical examination
        2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
          Obi-Wan Kenobi 11 July 2019 05: 44
          0
          I don’t think so. This is not interesting to anyone.
          You can not spoil the statistics, otherwise you can fly out of work.
  2. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 15: 31
    +6
    Quote: Bull Terrier
    the wife once said that until treatment is found, the number of infected people will increase in any case. just for one simple reason that it is impossible to localize a virus without strict quarantine measures

    Yes, everything is just solved. total check for the presence of the virus - it really can be done and it is not expensive. annually or in half a year.
    each in the mouth a certificate or some kind of identifier or data on the site, where by tin or social. You can break the number with the status and service on the phone. Everything, the number of infected people will drop sharply.
    Finally, there is a cure that makes the virus very passive. This is not a complete recovery, but there is a good chance that a person will not infect anyone. And of course, the topic should not be hushed up
    instead of the endless TV debates of Soloviev, a constant enlightenment of the population is needed.
    the problem is growing because of its silence and ignoring, and not because it is big.
    After the revolution, they dealt with much more serious epidemics, but there is simply no struggle.
    1. yehat
      yehat 5 July 2019 15: 49
      +5
      the problem of controlling a timely check for diseases can be solved through taxes or the labor code or, for example, restricting financial transactions through a bank until a medical card is updated - but in this case it is necessary to carry out an inspection at the state’s expense - and leave the day to pay for the service itself.
      after all, there’s at least some experience with vehicle inspection — what prevents people from inspecting?
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 17: 22
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        ... Yes, everything is just solved. Total check for the presence of the virus - it can actually be done and it is not expensive. Annually or six months later. To everyone in the mouth a certificate or some kind of identifier or data on the website, where by TIN or social. You can break the number with the status and service on the phone. Everything, the number of infected people will drop sharply. Finally, there is a cure that makes the virus very passive. This is not a complete recovery, but there is a good chance that a person will not infect anyone. And of course, the topic should not be hushed up ...
        ... The problem of monitoring a timely check for illness can be solved through taxes or the labor code or, for example, restricting financial transactions through a bank until a medical card is updated - but in this case, an inspection must be carried out at the state’s expense - and the day off will pay for the service itself.
        after all, there’s at least some experience with vehicle inspection — what prevents people from inspecting?


        Complete control under capitalism can turn into a profitable business for pharmacological concerns, which lobby the necessary laws and regulations in their interests.
        In the United States, millions of men have taken the mandatory prostate antigen test to detect prostate cancer. It was only on the basis of a simple blood test that a diagnosis of prostate cancer was made and costly treatment began.

        Quote from the article: "... Every year about 30 million Americans are tested for prostate-specific antigen, as a test for prostate cancer. And if this test is found positive? ..
        ... This test for prostate cancer is no more effective than heads or tails. A prostate antigen test cannot tell if there is cancer or not; all the more, he cannot separate what kind of prostate cancer it is - the one from which they die, or a benign course that can last for decades, because prostate cancer is different from prostate cancer. In normal prostate hypertrophy, the blood antigen is also elevated, and the test cannot separate simple prostate hypertrophy from cancer. In addition, the level of prostate antigen in the blood can be increased in general from external reasons such as taking ibuprofen medication and in infectious diseases. With low levels of prostate antigen in the blood, there may be terminal cancers; conversely, with increased analysis, perfect health can be ...
        ... The results in American testing showed that for a period of up to 10 years this testing did not reduce the mortality of men by any amount. And why then is everyone doing it? Are they forced to pay money for tests and for unjustified treatment and suffering of people? What treatment? When a person is then subjected to operations and exposures and he had nothing! In the name of what is all this? ...
        ... Americans conduct a huge number of tests for prostate cancer. The annual PSA screening bill is at least $ 3 billion, with the majority paid for by Medicare and the Veterans Administration. "
        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/opinion/10Ablin.html

        With expensive treatments based on prostate antigen tests, pharmaceutical corporations have earned billions of dollars.
        If there is a similar obligation in the Russian Federation, it is possible that someone will make good money.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 July 2019 09: 29
          +1
          Obligation is different.
          if you are told that without a loan in savings you cannot get a job - this is one thing
          and it’s completely different if you can’t buy something expensive without a loan anywhere.
          Unfortunately, we very often have laws slipping in the second vein, but we still need to fight this, regardless of the fight against AIDS.

          I believe that registering marriages without mutual examination, for example, is not worth it.
          And it's not just about speed. Can I live without marriage? Yes.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 5 July 2019 15: 49
      +7
      Quote: yehat
      Yes, everything is just solved. total virus scan -

      How much does it cost? The authorities cannot finance the rapid diagnosis of HIV, and you want to test everyone totally. All incoming to the hospital are totally checked. In my memory for 6 months of this year - not a single one. In intensive care, there is, but rarely. There is no selection of applicants. Everyone can test themselves
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 17: 14
        0
        in our region one of the best statistics in the country on this topic. 85 percent is detected in the early stages. in this country, this figure is 71. every 4 inhabitants of the region have already passed the survey and the number is growing. it all depends on the leadership of the region in this area.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 5 July 2019 18: 27
          +2
          I'm glad that at least something is being done somewhere
  3. lis-ik
    lis-ik 5 July 2019 15: 32
    -1
    Mistakes of youth certainly happen, then it really seems that this is not about me. But I don’t understand how an ordinary family man who is not at risk can get infected. You follow the medical procedures, so that everything is disposable and is opened with you, we do not shave in hairdressing salons (forbidden). That is, it still depends on the lifestyle.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 15: 49
      +6
      Quote: lis-ik
      But I do not understand how an ordinary family person who is not at risk can get infected?

      In the dentist's office, during blood transfusions, giving a hooligan to the teeth on the street and injuring the skin on his fist ...
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 5 July 2019 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: lis-ik
        But I do not understand how an ordinary family person who is not at risk can get infected?

        In the dentist's office, during blood transfusions, giving a hooligan to the teeth on the street and injuring the skin on his fist ...

        Four years ago I put in my teeth, almost my whole mouth, was very worried about this topic and paid extra that everything was disposable, though there are devices that are not disposable, but there are sterilizers, I also watched this. No one is safe from bullies, but you have to choose prosperous or something. (Joke)
        1. Departure
          Departure 5 July 2019 16: 54
          +1
          When a hepatitis specialist or a speed specialist arrives at the dentist, the instruments go through a different disinfection procedure, not everything can be autoclavable, this is done separately by a laboratory technician at a minimum who can fool around and pour a cheaper solution ... in general, I did not spare money and went to one of the most expensive clinics where quality is monitored ... should follow the idea .. but still it’s better to brush your teeth twice a day - and your nerves will be healthier and your teeth :)
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 17: 23
            +1
            Quote: departure
            When a hepatitic or spider

            This is if the patient himself knows that he is HIV-infected, and a bunch of those who do not know
            1. Departure
              Departure 5 July 2019 17: 32
              +4
              and there are those who know but don’t speak. in paid dentistry do not ask for honey. cards, limited to oral questioning, and the attachment clinic does not always do what is needed and how to, even in the same state. The office has free receptions for attaching and people from the street at the appointed hours for money.
              my colleagues often poison stories about negligence back in Soviet times, but now it's just a scourge, in general, I mean that the risk of picking up something from the dentist is quite big
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 5 July 2019 18: 43
            +3
            Quote: departure
            but it’s better to brush your teeth twice a day - and your nerves will be healthier and your teeth :)

            For me it was a consequence of dental treatment under anesthesia, before the call. The direction was given by the draft board (done for free), but then there were consequences. And so, from childhood, he was afraid of dentists, literally tortured at an appointment with the USSR.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2019 19: 01
              +5
              Quote: lis-ik
              And so yes since childhood I was afraid of dentists

              "- I am afraid of two things in my life - the darkness and dentists
              - Well, it is clear to dentists, but why darkness?
              - Do you know how many dentists there are? !!
              laughing
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 5 July 2019 19: 03
                +3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                - Do you know how many dentists there are? !!

                Awesome! I'll know.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 July 2019 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        In the dentist's office, during blood transfusions, giving a hooligan to the teeth on the street and injuring the skin on his fist ...

        syringe in the sand on the beach ....
      3. bondrostov
        bondrostov 6 July 2019 18: 52
        -1
        Having competed with his wife after drinking and going to the sauna and removing a butterfly there
    2. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 5 July 2019 15: 53
      +3
      not all family members, henpecked and quiet people pedants ... therefore, elementary family (s) can become infected ... for one or two
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 5 July 2019 15: 58
        0
        Quote: Yaroslavsky
        not all family members, henpecked and quiet people pedants ... therefore, elementary family (s) can become infected ... for one or two

        Well, not in my years, I’m 51 already, though ..... I’m looking.
        1. Storekeeper
          Storekeeper 5 July 2019 20: 19
          +4
          My partner is 55 and has three lovers belay older 45. And you are only 51. hi
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 5 July 2019 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Storekeeper
            My partner is 55 and has three lovers belay older 45. And you are only 51. hi

            I am home.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 5 July 2019 15: 57
      +10
      Quote: lis-ik
      how can an ordinary family man who is not at risk be infected?


      Negligence of nurses during the processing and sterilization of the instrument. Marker - hepatitis C.
      The second option is blood transfusion.
      Theoretically, the probability is extremely small, since it is beyond the limits of common sense. It is impossible to get infected on the bus and on the street.
      When he first operated on an HIV-infected patient (the analysis came after 7 days), he himself was under stress. Happily, calmly, you only strengthen personal protection measures, and this is only with face control
      1. minus
        minus 5 July 2019 17: 14
        +7
        We have not so long ago a surgeon committed suicide ... An experienced doctor ... And it was necessary to injure while operating ... And the wound was immediately treated, but ... In general, I waited for my tests for six months and .....
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 5 July 2019 18: 26
          +5
          Quote: Minus
          We have not so long ago a surgeon committed suicide ... An experienced doctor ... And it was necessary to injure while operating ... And the wound was immediately treated, but ... In general, I waited for my tests for six months and .....

          Sad story. In my midst God was merciful
    4. Tomich3
      Tomich3 5 July 2019 15: 58
      +6
      Good evening! Do not shave? Now it’s just a fashion for the so-called barbershops, where they offer, including dangerous shaving. Now packing good condoms costs about 300 rubles, so young people buy cheap ones for 100 rubles, hence the result. And the state practically does not allocate money to fight HIV. Therefore, such indicators in the country.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 5 July 2019 16: 01
        +1
        Quote: Tomic3
        Now just a fashion for the so-called barbershops

        Mostly western. One must be aware of the risk and refuse such services. In general, shaving according to SES standards has been prohibited since Soviet times.
    5. sgapich
      sgapich 5 July 2019 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: lis-ik
      we do not shave in hairdressing salons (forbidden).

      Unfortunately, in almost every so-called. "barbershop" has a service "straight razor shaving", and it is positioned as a kind of ritual, exclusively for "tough men".
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 5 July 2019 18: 44
        0
        Quote: sgapich
        and they position it as a kind of ritual, exclusively for "tough men

        I would beware.
  4. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 15: 37
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    The good news is not transmitted by airborne droplets

    rejoice early
    the virus is close to flu, and it spreads through the air.
    one mutation and hello.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 5 July 2019 18: 01
      +4
      Let’s hope that it doesn’t mutate. In general, in my naive opinion of a 56-year-old man, the best prevention from this infection is such a patriarchal thing as marital fidelity! Fortunately, I’m sure of myself, but I also have confidence in myself (I walked out of my youth! Enough.) , nothing new will be found in any beauty there. Well, I probably conservative ?! Risk, not always a noble cause. All health!
      1. yehat
        yehat 5 July 2019 18: 05
        +3
        the problem is that most who want to start a family, because of the rules of society, are often forced to blindly try several different partners and this dramatically increases the risks. The situation is greatly aggravated by discrimination of HIV-infected people and silence about the topic.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 5 July 2019 18: 18
          +1
          Creating a family is a more serious step than a one-time sexual intercourse, believe me! And for lovers to take a walk, well guys!, Excuse me! Next time (if he will), ask for a certificate from a venereologist. We certainly talk about normal people.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 5 July 2019 18: 22
          0
          And about the silence of the topic, I completely agree with you regarding discrimination. Well, excuse me, I'm sorry, but this is pure psychology! It's just scary, doesn't it seem to you?
      2. Yaroslavl
        Yaroslavl 8 July 2019 09: 10
        0
        You know .... at 56 marital fidelity I think like this .. few people are already walking .... but there are younger people .... everyone has their own individual character and libido .... so you can say for older age, that's all
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 10
      0
      finally ! one thing pleases that only one mutation is able to save the planet from this unreasonable civilization! Since we didn’t have enough sense to live right, then at least it will turn out to die correctly?
  5. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 15: 39
    +4
    Quote: lis-ik
    oh is it still depends on the lifestyle.

    I think that about 10% is not less because of the negligence of those who should protect people.
    a lot just because of the suppression of their disease by people, because of the fear of being alone. Those. consciously, most infections occur.
    Do not forget about the complete licentiousness of modern girls
    if by the age of 25 there were less than 10 partners - this is already a rarity.
    Yes, and the adjustable theme, which provokes for the benefit of the female part to constantly destroy families and create new ones, also brings its own.
    1. Storekeeper
      Storekeeper 5 July 2019 20: 38
      0
      If I could put you 100 pluses !! I agree with you very much. Promiscuity, lack of morality and physical disgust! How can you see the first time a person and already go with him in the toilet .... ???? Therefore, all sorts of not good diseases spread! And about the divorce, I also agree with you that two acquaintances divorced the initiators were wives!
  6. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 15: 51
    +2
    any father should have the right to receive the results of the examination of the child in the orphanage due to the coincidence of genes between him and the child and the presence of a number of diseases, including AIDS.
  7. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 15: 54
    +2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    And so it is clear that without it it is a matter of time.

    There is a version that new diseases like cancer or AIDS are simply a consequence of a weakened immune system due to the ecology and gene degradation due to the rescue of weak people.
    and that it’s pointless to seek treatment for new diseases, if you cure one, there will be new 10.
    We need to remove the root of the problem and restore Darwin's natural selection.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 July 2019 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      just a consequence of weakened immunity due to the environment

      I agree with that. Three years later, when my wife and I moved to live in a newly built house in the region, from Moscow, in the autumn and winter, at the peak of diseases in the city, they forgot about illnesses and ailments. And in general, physical labor in the air helps a lot, although I still sometimes get lazy, as my wife says.
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 5 July 2019 18: 40
      +5
      There is another version that an organism called planet Earth thus heals its body from harmful bacteria, that is, people. Which used to be in a latent phase and did not harm the body, but now they have multiplied and become pathogenic. Moreover, this cleansing of the Earth’s organism is not the first and not the second, but periodic with a cycle of 5000-6000 years.
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 00: 00
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        There is another version that an organism called planet Earth thus heals its body from harmful bacteria, that is, people. Which used to be in a latent phase and did not harm the body, but now they have multiplied and become pathogenic. Moreover, this cleansing of the Earth’s organism is not the first and not the second, but periodic with a cycle of 5000-6000 years.


        According to the old Russian calendar, canceled by Peter, now 7525 is in the yard. The Slavs do not get used to brushing and washing smile
        1. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 12
          0
          The Slavs degenerated became lazy pampered with comfort ... it's time to cleanse us!
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 9 July 2019 11: 59
            0
            Quote: Rey_ka
            The Slavs degenerated became lazy, pampered with comfort ... it's time to cleanse us too!


            Old believers will not agree with this point of view.
  8. Sars
    Sars 5 July 2019 15: 57
    -1
    There is no HIV virus. Like swine or bird flu.
    All of this came up. A lot of money is laundered. Treating AIDS and cancer is a great business.
    AIDS and HIV are two different things. Immunodeficiency in humans can occur for various reasons.
    Cancer is treated only in clinics.
    1. bk316
      bk316 5 July 2019 16: 12
      +1
      There is no HIV virus

      And then what is the mechanism of transmission of the disease through the blood?
      1. yehat
        yehat 5 July 2019 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: bk316
        And then what is the mechanism of transmission of the disease through the blood?

        transmitted as holiness
        dawned with a finger and you're done
      2. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 00: 09
        +2
        Quote: bk316
        There is no HIV virus

        And then what is the mechanism of transmission of the disease through the blood?


        ... (deleted due to different phrases))) ...... Preliminary results confirm the hypothesis that the presentation of antigen (sperm) in the rectum can be a source of sensitization against sperm. They also indicate the possible role of antisperm antibodies as a marker of sexual intercourse.
        It is because of this dysregulation that it is mainly homosexual practitioners who die from HIV. The immune system is overloaded with attacks on its own sperm and other proteins of the body, which are normally separated from the immune system.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 5 July 2019 22: 57
      -3
      Quote: SarS
      There is no HIV virus. Like swine or bird flu.
      All of this came up. A lot of money is laundered. Treating AIDS and cancer is a great business.
      AIDS and HIV are two different things. Immunodeficiency in humans can occur for various reasons.
      Cancer is treated only in clinics.

      How many feces in this head ...
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 5 July 2019 15: 59
    +3
    And I read that the AIDS virus has not yet been isolated. HIV-infected people die from anything, but not AIDS. Therefore, some scientists believe that this is a grand deception. repeat
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 July 2019 16: 03
      +9
      Quote: glory1974
      And I read that the AIDS virus has not yet been isolated. HIV-infected people die from anything, but not AIDS. Therefore, some scientists believe that this is a grand deception. repeat

      They die not from AIDS, but from the loss of immunity to any disease. This is how I am in Delitanian.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 5 July 2019 16: 06
        +2
        They die not from AIDS, but from the loss of immunity to any disease.

        So I am about the same. Therefore, the virus itself does not exist in nature; accordingly, it cannot be transmitted. But why immunity is denied is a question.
        1. bk316
          bk316 5 July 2019 16: 32
          +4
          Therefore, the virus itself does not exist in nature, with

          Why would it, and what express tests respond with 98% accuracy?
          1. shultz21070
            shultz21070 5 July 2019 17: 51
            +1
            Have you read what they write based on the results of the analysis? Antibodies to HIV were not detected, which means some antibodies. I also read that these antibodies appear in more than a hundred diseases
            1. bk316
              bk316 5 July 2019 19: 40
              +2
              it means some antibodies

              You just burn wassat
              "SOME antibodies" is an immune response to a virus, each virus has its own response, therefore one vaccination for smallpox and another for influenza (antibodies are produced differently). Therefore, if you have antibodies to the HIV virus, then you have (had) and the HIV virus
              1. Minato2020
                Minato2020 6 July 2019 00: 37
                +1
                Quote: bk316
                it means some antibodies

                You just burn wassat
                "SOME antibodies" is an immune response to a virus, for each virus the response is different, so there is one vaccination for smallpox, and another for influenza (different antibodies are produced). Therefore, if you have antibodies to the HIV virus, then you have (had) and the HIV virus


                So if there are antibodies to chickenpox, hepatitis, measles, rubella, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis - do you have to go for treatment?
                1. Falcon5555
                  Falcon5555 6 July 2019 23: 30
                  +2
                  So if there are antibodies to chickenpox, hepatitis, measles, rubella, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis - do you have to go for treatment?

                  It is not that simple. There are two types of antibodies - IgM and IgG for each virus. It is generally believed that if IgM is detected in the blood, then the disease (and the virus) is and is developing, and the body is fighting it (i.e. there is immunity). If there is IgG, then the disease began a long time ago. If there is only IgG (and there is no IgM) for those diseases that can, in principle, be cured (or they themselves can go away), then it is believed that either the person was ill and acquired immunity, or he was vaccinated, or could acquire immunity from blood transfusion, if it was and the donor had immunity. So again, he probably will not become infected in the near future. Look at the number of antibodies. If the disease cannot be cured, then IgG means that the virus is there and the person is sick. This is a standard design, but there may be differences for each virus. Excessive IgG can sometimes even indicate some types of cancer. There are laboratory errors.
                  1. Minato2020
                    Minato2020 6 July 2019 23: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Falcon5555
                    ... If at the same time there is IgG, then the disease began a long time ago. If there is only IgG (and there is no IgM) for those diseases that can, in principle, be cured (or they themselves can go away), then it is believed that either the person was ill and acquired immunity, or he was vaccinated, or could acquire immunity from blood transfusion, if it was and the donor had immunity. So again, he probably will not become infected in the near future. Look at the number of antibodies. If the disease cannot be cured, then IgG means that the virus is there and the person is sick. This is a standard design, but there may be differences for each virus. Excessive IgG can sometimes even indicate some types of cancer. There are laboratory errors.


                    Thanks for the comment, I would like to clarify -
                    - If there is only IgG (but there is no IgM) for those diseases that can, in principle, be cured, it is believed that either the person was ill and acquired immunity, or he was vaccinated, or could acquire immunity from blood transfusion, if it was and the donor had immunity ..
                    - If there is IgG, and the disease cannot be cured, it means that there is a virus and a person is sick ...

                    That is, an important component of the diagnosis is the curability of the disease?
                    And if the disease is ideopathic?
                    1. Falcon5555
                      Falcon5555 7 July 2019 14: 13
                      +2
                      If there is IgG, but the disease cannot be cured, it means that there is a virus and the person is sick
                      Maybe I expressed myself too strongly - this means that there is a virus, but the person is "sick" or not and whether it is necessary to treat him (and he may not be sick, but he still needs to be treated, as with AIDS) - depends on the type virus and other circumstances - the amount of IgG, manifestations of the corresponding ailments and personal experience, or probably the school of the doctor who will make an opinion. As I wrote there: "This is a standard scheme, but there may be differences for each virus." - something like this.
                      And if the disease is ideopathic?
                      An illness with an unknown cause? And here it is? When, say, IgG is found, it is not just IgG for anything, but for a specific virus. Accordingly, the reason immediately becomes known.
                      If antibodies are found, since the topic is about AIDS, then, let's say to AIDS, but these are not just antibodies to a drop in immunity, but antibodies to a certain virus, which is known to drop immunity 5 years after infection, if not treated. Accordingly, everything immediately becomes known. "Sleep off", as someone advises below, will not work. "Slept off" then go to infect others in their house and all the neighbors. They say that if you treat yourself correctly (immediately and permanently), then viruses may become so few that it seems that it will become impossible to infect someone. True, I do not know if anyone has set up such experiments with married couples. Again, I don’t know if it’s true, but someone Krasovsky argued from the echo of Moscow that most of those who come to Russian polyclinics with this are immediately “rubbed in their brains” like “let's see how this will develop” and are not given drugs. And then they don't. You need to start right away, not give. This is problematic at its own expense. As a result, according to him, the majority of AIDS patients in Russia do not receive any therapy from him until the end of their lives. If this is true, then this epidemic is not only due to the open southern borders, but also because of the Ministry of Health.
                2. bk316
                  bk316 8 July 2019 12: 04
                  0
                  So if there are antibodies to chickenpox, hepatitis, measles, rubella, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis - do you have to go for treatment?

                  It means one of 3
                  or you are vaccinated against these diseases
                  or you have been ill (no matter in what form from the virus carrier to the most severe)
                  -or you are sick with them NOW AND YOU NEED URGENTLY GO TO TREAT.

                  Why did you ask me this? Troll? Or do not know basic things?
                  That is precisely why your reprints of well-known specialists (and even in the translation of inadequate journals) are not about that - you also need to understand what this specialist really meant. And for this you need to have basic knowledge.
                  1. Minato2020
                    Minato2020 9 July 2019 12: 30
                    0
                    Quote: bk316
                    ... This means one of 3 ...


                    It can also be "4" - SIDS
                    That is, doctors will explain anything - the child has option "1", the child has option "2", the child has option "3", and if suddenly, then the child has SIDS. Hence the disbelief in doctors who prescribe pills rather than prescriptions.
                    The diagnosis of intestinal flu is not funny for the doctors themselves? If there is flu, that is, the carrier is isolated, then let's inject children with intestinal flu vaccinations, since the diagnosis of intestinal flu is given to every 4 children in the kindergarten.

                    And for this you need to have basic knowledge.

                    Do doctors have basic knowledge? And what do they say about hypertension? With hypertension, they do not find anything at all - on no tests, on any examinations, except for elevated pressure figures. And the tests are all normal.
                    Here is the definition of official medicine: "Primary (essential, idiopathic, hypertension of an unknown nature, essential hypertension) is a persistent increase in blood pressure (BP) in the absence of a definitely clear cause."

                    In the definition of the word "idiopathic" - despite the basic knowledge doctors themselves do not know anything.

                    Why did you ask me this? Troll?

                    An article about the health of the population as a whole, and therefore the health of military personnel.
                    I read that on TopVar, as in a garrison, there were deaths from pneumonia. But what about the vaccinations? I do vaccinations to everyone without exception. Maybe they were the wrong vaccinations from potential enemies?
                    https://topwar.ru/39119-atipichnaya-pnevmoniya-garnizony-opyat-nakryla-epidemiya-soldatskih-smertey.html
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 9 July 2019 13: 04
                      +1
                      Do doctors have basic knowledge?

                      Yes, normal doctors have basic knowledge, and good doctors have excellent basic knowledge.
                      Regarding your examples
                      1) DO NOT LEAVE THE TOPIC there are, as in any field of knowledge, basic things known to all. Only ignoramuses and obscurantists are trying to challenge them, but there is the cutting edge of science, which, in general, a simple specialist himself is not obliged to know. An example of a perpetual motion machine, if you are one of those who say "everything is not so obvious here" we simply have nothing to talk about. There really are questions about hypertension (as well as about oncology), only this not related to the topic under discussion.

                      2) Do not confuse the grandmothers who are taking in the offices of clinics and who are not able to deal with DOCTORS except for hospital discharge. It is these "doctors" that are the main problem of our healthcare and not at all underfunding or lack of breakthrough technologies. Hence the intestinal flu and 20 drugs in one prescription and MOUNTAINS OF CORPSES (according to quite reliable data, up to 30000 per year)
                      3) You continue to demonstrate ignorance in microbiology, try to answer the question about pneumonia and vaccinations yourself. Just by reading the SCHOOL biology textbook.
                      4) Can you explain to me how the presence of antibodies to the vertigo has a relation to the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). Or do you not understand what you are writing at all?
                      1. Minato2020
                        Minato2020 9 July 2019 16: 08
                        0
                        Quote: bk316
                        Yes, normal doctors have basic knowledge, and good doctors have excellent basic knowledge.

                        I agree - doctors have basic knowledge.

                        1) DO NOT LEAVE THE TOPIC there are, as in any field of knowledge, basic things known to all. Only ignoramuses and obscurantists are trying to challenge them, but there is the cutting edge of science, which, in general, a simple specialist himself is not obliged to know. An example of a perpetual motion machine, if you are one of those who say "everything is not so obvious here" we simply have nothing to talk about. There really are questions about hypertension (as well as about oncology), but this has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

                        I agree - simple doctors know the basic knowledge necessary for application. There are specials. doctors whose knowledge is not yet advertised.
                        PS I wrote about hypertension as an example of what has not yet been studied.

                        2) Do not confuse the grandmothers who are taking in the offices of clinics and who are not able to deal with DOCTORS except for hospital discharge. It is these "doctors" that are the main problem of our healthcare and not at all underfunding or lack of breakthrough technologies. Hence the intestinal flu and 20 drugs in one prescription and MOUNTAINS OF CORPSES (according to quite reliable data, up to 30000 per year)

                        I do not agree. I believe that the problem is underfunding of medical schools and health care.
                        PS Clinical examination does not give the desired effect, only extra costs.

                        3) You continue to demonstrate ignorance in microbiology, try to answer the question about pneumonia and vaccinations yourself. Just by reading the SCHOOL biology textbook.

                        This is not the case in the school textbook. But now, using a computer, you can learn a little more from the Internet than a doctor with basic knowledge

                        4) Can you explain to me how the presence of antibodies to chickenpox has to do with Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). Or do you not understand what you are writing at all?

                        The presence of antibodies to chickenpox does not show anything - it may also be immunity transmitted to the child from the mother. You need to pay attention to the general condition.
                        PS SIDS cited as an example that medicine comes up with any name, if only it sounds solid. But the name is not an explanation.
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 9 July 2019 16: 54
                        0
                        SIDS cited as an example that medicine comes up with any name, if only it sounds solid. But the name is not an explanation.

                        This is again a misunderstanding at the level of terms.
                        There are diseases and there are syndrome complexes.
                        Viruses cause diseases they can be treated (measles, plague, hemorrhoids)
                        And the syndromes we observe (AIDS, sids) No one explains the syndromes, they are fixed.

                        So AIDS is a syndrome, and it is characteristic of a disease caused by the HIV virus. The virus has long been isolated and photographed, I posted a photo for you. Does the pathogenic activity of this virus cause AIDS, but it does not immediately. Whether something else causes AIDS may very well be.


                        As for doctors and financing, how much money do not give to such doctors and how many devices do not put, nothing will change - they CANNOT carry out their professional duties. I am responsible for this, I am ready to defend this point of view anywhere. The vast majority of well-known specialists from oncologists to dermatologists from surgeons to therapists adhere to it.
                      3. Minato2020
                        Minato2020 9 July 2019 17: 06
                        0
                        Quote: bk316
                        As for doctors and financing, how much money do not give to such doctors and how many devices do not put, nothing will change - they CANNOT carry out their professional duties. I am responsible for this, I am ready to defend this point of view anywhere. The vast majority of well-known specialists from oncologists to dermatologists from surgeons to therapists adhere to it.


                        If centers of excellence can not train to perform professional duties of some doctors, then such doctors must be parted.
                        Without health financing, the entry of new doctors will be in question.
                      4. bk316
                        bk316 9 July 2019 19: 33
                        0
                        Without health financing, the entry of new doctors will be in question.

                        Here i agree
                        If centers of excellence can not train to perform professional duties of some doctors, then such doctors must be parted.

                        And here I agree
            2. bk316
              bk316 5 July 2019 19: 58
              +2
              I sent you a little lower photo on the branch signed by the USSR Academy of Sciences, look belay
        2. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 5 July 2019 16: 44
          +4
          Since people infect each other, then the virus exists and is transmitted. Even if the virus was not detected, the transmission of loss of immunity would be scientific evidence of its existence. But as far as I understand, it was discovered long ago. And antibodies to it were found. All this is revealed by analyzes in a routine manner in the "hit" people.
      2. yehat
        yehat 5 July 2019 16: 38
        0
        I wonder if a prolonged increase in temperature, like with the flu, can destroy the virus or not? By the way, 1 case was recorded when AIDS was cured by another serious illness that can be treated (but also so-so)
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 5 July 2019 16: 51
          +3
          There were such experiments. It is theoretically possible that practically the cells of the body cannot withstand overheating.
          1. yehat
            yehat 5 July 2019 16: 52
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            There were such experiments. It is theoretically possible that practically the cells of the body cannot withstand overheating.

            it is clear that you can boil and the virus will not. But the fact is that HIV is close to influenza and similar methods may work.
            a normal body can withstand heating up to 41 degrees for a considerable time
            (but rather hours than days). birds withstand without consequences heating up to 44-45
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 5 July 2019 17: 09
              +2
              With hyperthermia, not only viruses die, but also cancer cells and pathogens of other diseases. In Novosibirsk, we dealt with this topic and even got certain results (oncology). But the method was recognized as dangerous and it is not used anywhere in the world.
              1. yehat
                yehat 5 July 2019 17: 10
                0
                But how did you make the body heat itself?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 5 July 2019 17: 22
                  +1
                  But how did you make the body heat itself?

                  There is a thermoregulation center in the brain, probably influenced by it.
                  I had a friend of hers because of a tumor in this part of the brain there was a constant unremitting temperature of 38.5
                  1. yehat
                    yehat 5 July 2019 17: 36
                    0
                    I was skiing - I can say that a healthy trained person is quite capable of withstanding 41-42 degrees for 4-5 hours regularly without harm to himself. I destroyed the flu like this - one good training and is healthy if I managed to get to the heat before it got cold
                    if you don’t have time, you risk falling for 1-2 months.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 5 July 2019 17: 43
                      +5
                      A trained orovated person is quite capable of withstanding regularly 41-42 degrees for 4-5 hours without harm to himself.

                      And it can bend from a heart attack. laughing
                      1. yehat
                        yehat 5 July 2019 17: 44
                        -2
                        the trained one CANNOT bend from a heart attack.
                        super-measures do not bother him with such loads.
                        I advise you not to confuse with pumped up.
                        most women, due to the fact that they are overweight, can withstand such a load, but they often lack at least some kind of training. For example, many cannot even steadily heat themselves - they wrap themselves in 2-3 sweaters, the heart is not able to work for a long time with a high frequency (above 110).
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 5 July 2019 18: 21
                        +3
                        the trained one CANNOT bend from a heart attack.

                        Trained probably not, just healthy (no chronicle) easy
                2. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 5 July 2019 17: 36
                  0
                  I am not a doctor, I received information from the program on the "Science 2.0" channel
                  The patient was turned off the natural thermoregulation by general anesthesia and immersed in a bath. The body temperature was brought to 43,5 while cooling the head to avoid damage to brain cells. Regarding HIV, they say that the virus cannot be completely destroyed - it is embedded in the human genome, it can only be deactivated. And chemistry is safer to do.
                  1. Minato2020
                    Minato2020 6 July 2019 00: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    ... Regarding HIV, they say that the virus cannot be completely destroyed - it is embedded in the human genome, it can only be deactivated. And chemistry is safer to do.


                    At first they say that chemistry is safe. Then they say that radiation is safe. It was not enough to agree that euthanasia is safer.
                3. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka 8 July 2019 10: 20
                  0
                  I have when the temperature is from a simple cold (for example) I take a couple of aspirin tablets to thin the blood and flop into the hot bathroom when my legs begin to cramp, so the temperature has reached closer to 42, I get out of the bathroom and sleep. in the morning like a cucumber: green and pimples, well, or healthy
    2. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 5 July 2019 18: 23
      +1
      Quote: glory1974
      And I read that the AIDS virus has not yet been isolated. HIV-infected people die from anything, but not AIDS. Therefore, some scientists believe that this is a grand deception.

      Bullshit it, excuse me. The aids virus has been isolated for a very long time, back in 80; but the drugs have not been found as 40 for years, unfortunately, the virus is too painful - it destroys the immune system (therefore there is an assumption about its artificial nature) ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 5 July 2019 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Warrior2015
        This is nonsense, excuse me. Aids virus has long been isolated, back in the 80s;

        Where is it highlighted?
        There were no such reports and therefore HIV bullying is considered a public relations company for the sale of medical pseudo-services.
        1. bk316
          bk316 5 July 2019 19: 56
          +3
          Where is it highlighted?

          I mean where? Where allocated, there allocated. People (Luke Montagnier and Francoise Barre-Sinoussi) received the Nobel Prize for this.
          Or you need something to be allocated in the USSR, well, so in the USSR they have even given you a document with photos.
          1. bk316
            bk316 5 July 2019 19: 57
            +2
            Here in a separate comment


  10. The popuas
    The popuas 5 July 2019 16: 08
    +4
    Our report went to the Vatican, that the Orthodox will soon end! hi well done che recourse
  11. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 July 2019 16: 10
    +2
    The problem is greatly aggravated by the fact that Russians for the most part do not want to use condoms.

    It is true that some believe that it will not be worse. But still the essence of the problems lies in the field of morality. Now tell me that the program for the total destruction of the population of Russia did not work, and Dulles is a miserable provincial CIA officer ...
    We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and hostility of peoples, especially hostility and hatred of the Russian people - all this we will deftly and discreetly cultivate, all this will blossom in terry color.
  12. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 16
    +1
    Quote: SarS
    Cancer is treated only in clinics.

    Cancer is treated, there are many different methods. quality nursing during treatment means a lot - it significantly increases the statistics of people who have been cured (most of our cancer centers have minimal costs for this article, kicking people home). Now the most effective technique is to create in the laboratories individual antibodies against specific forms of cancer.
    but this is the treatment of the consequences of violations - environmental injuries of the body.
    1. Departure
      Departure 5 July 2019 17: 05
      +2
      Alas, unfortunately this is not so. More recently, the drug came to us and, according to the official release, its effectiveness is 10-15%. This means that it will have a positive effect. As much as a side kick will go. And the rest, that it does not work at all in any way. Their effectiveness (of antibodies) is low, but they make good money on it, yes.
      And so chemistry like dabrafenibs and TP and a laser with a scalpel.
      1. yehat
        yehat 5 July 2019 17: 09
        0
        Quote: departure
        And so chemistry like dabrafenibs and TP and a laser with a scalpel.

        I consider these methods miserable. cancer must be treated by strengthening the immune system or by cleansing the body through a radical change in its condition - hunger strikes, massive sports loads, dramatic climatic changes (winter swimming). The methods are unsafe, but much better than chemotherapy or cutting meat in the blind hope that they cut everything.
  13. Aquilifer
    Aquilifer 5 July 2019 16: 17
    +1
    Today, more than ever, requires caution. OZK before going out into the street you can not put on yet, but you need to really realize that behind the back of any person a lady with a scythe can hide.
  14. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 19
    +1
    Quote: glory1974
    HIV-infected die from anything but not AIDS

    no no cheating. it’s good that viruses like Ebola are not yet actively spreading.
    3-4 days and you corpse spreads like flu.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 5 July 2019 16: 28
    +1
    Well, old proven methods, medicines .... AIDS and SPIODIN !!!
    Permissiveness, licentiousness, life is short, take ALL from it !!!! It looks like the pharmaceutical companies are already doing !!!! And how long!
  16. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 32
    +2
    Quote: lis-ik
    still sometimes lazy, as the wife says.

    it would be strange to hear something else)))
  17. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 41
    0
    Quote: Aquilifer
    OZK before going out, you can not put on yet

    honestly, seriously thinking about buying a good gas mask, choking on smog on the roads.
  18. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 July 2019 16: 41
    0
    Yes, yes, yes, only there is such a bad forecast for us about "crossing" both in life and in the laboratories of HIV with other viruses, and as a result of this, after 5 years maximum, a new virus strain may appear that can be transmitted by airborne way! I heard from experts that the world has a maximum of three years left to try to create a vaccine - then panginia will begin. ..
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 5 July 2019 17: 09
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      then begins panginia.

      Well, thank god it's not a pandemic. It’s a pity, of course, that the women will die out ...
  19. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 44
    +2
    Quote: ser56
    It seems like you need to teach children to require help to close ...

    well, at least honestly offer to exchange such certificates - I think this is normal.
    when a man is looking for a wife for procreation, he definitely does not need a HIV-infected person, regardless of the length of his legs or the size of his bust.
  20. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    pangemia. .

    the first is a pandemic,
    secondly, crossing not only gives, but also takes.
    it is highly likely that with supertransmission, a mutated virus will not be able to multiply or cease to survive in the blood.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 5 July 2019 17: 17
      -1
      Ouhat, the thing is that there are several strains of the virus that suggest not only artificiality, but also selecction, but also the so-called compatibility with other more terrible diseases, such as cancer. .. In one of the strains, traces of oncovirus have already been found, that is, enhanced hybridization is underway. I am sure that the very laboratories that the United States deployed around Russia, in Georgia, in Ukraine and in other countries under our side, are actively participating in this.
      1. bk316
        bk316 5 July 2019 17: 26
        +6
        I am sure that they are actively participating in this.

        Are you a microbiologist?
        If yes, I have a few questions for you, if not. Your confidence is worthless.
        1. Minato2020
          Minato2020 6 July 2019 01: 38
          0
          Quote: bk316
          I am sure that they are actively participating in this.

          Are you a microbiologist?
          If yes, I have a few questions for you, if not. Your confidence is worthless.


          What is the opinion of Joseph Moshe, an Israeli microbiologist?

          "Professor Moshe called in the live radio show of Dr. A. True Ott, (Joseph Moshes's explanation of the call at 6:00) is broadcast on the Republic of Broadcasting claiming that a microbiologist who wanted to deliver evidence to the federal attorney regarding a tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccine is being developed on Baxter Biopharm Solutions. He said that the Baxters Ukrainian laboratory was actually producing biological weapons disguised as vaccines. He claimed that the vaccine contains an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and reproduced RNA from the virus responsible for 1918 the Spanish flu pandemic, causing global disease and mass death ... "



          Measles epidemic in Kazakhstan - the result of the US military biological laboratory
          https://ainurkurmanov.livejournal.com/146584.html
    2. Harry.km
      Harry.km 6 July 2019 13: 02
      0
      Quote: yehat
      stop surviving in the blood.

      ... and will begin to survive in the urine. Brain phimosis
  21. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 17: 11
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    How much does it cost?

    my friend HIV-positive said that thousands for 3 can be examined qualitatively
    with mass use, this can clearly be reduced in price.
    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 6 July 2019 18: 42
      0
      Quote: yehat
      Quote: Silvestr
      How much does it cost?

      My friend HIV-positive said that thousands for 3 can be examined qualitatively,
      with mass use, this can clearly be reduced in price.


      In the United States, millions of men have taken the mandatory prostate antigen test to detect prostate cancer. It was only on the basis of a simple blood test that a diagnosis of prostate cancer was made and costly treatment began.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/opinion/10Ablin.html
      With expensive treatments based on prostate antigen tests, pharmaceutical corporations have earned billions of dollars.
      If there is a similar obligation in the Russian Federation, it is possible that someone will make good money.
  22. TTX
    TTX 5 July 2019 17: 47
    +3
    Well, HIV doesn’t scare us .. I am more alarmed by the US bacteriological laboratories on the borders of Russia ... Georgia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, the Baltic states .. What they invent there is unknown .. I would like to understand the good!
    1. yehat
      yehat 5 July 2019 17: 55
      -2
      Quote: ttx
      What they invent there is unknown

      the main topics of the work are genetically limited at the level of a narrow population or gene trait of change and exposure. For example, a headache remedy that does not work on blacks or a virus that infects only one genotype. Or polar corn, Khrushchev’s dream. These are the global governance methods that they are trying to develop.
      1. TTX
        TTX 5 July 2019 19: 45
        0
        Quote: yehat
        main topics of work - genetically limited at the level of a narrow population or trait of a gene, changes and effects

        That's right ... That's why, therefore, you need to vacuum-controlled to bum ..
        Otherwise, we’ll get worse than AIDS. I smell genes!
  23. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2019 17: 50
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    The body temperature was brought to 43,5 while cooling the head to avoid damage to brain cells.

    this is a very, very bad practice. such clumsy thermoregulation can do much harm.
    but on the other hand there are many people who are not able to tolerate heat normally due to an extremely neglected state of the body ..
  24. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 5 July 2019 18: 35
    +1
    If the Soviet Union were alive, AIDS would not have been allowed to do so. Then the state really fought for the health of its citizens. Now it seems that citizens are left to their own devices and, by and large, the state does not need it.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 19: 20
      0
      there would be a union I'm afraid you would not even know that people are sick with this. stupidly would be silent.
      1. bk316
        bk316 5 July 2019 20: 02
        +2
        there would be a union I'm afraid you would not even know that people are sick with this.

        And here is no fig, in the first HIV was allocated during the USSR.
        secondly, for all obscurantists of unbelievers I sent an article of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR with pictures of the virus (upstream).
        There is no neck at work, they just didn’t tryn’t trynd on the TV - yes, but they didn’t make a secret either.
        Personally, I knew about AIDS in 89.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 5 July 2019 20: 26
          -3
          the number of infected would be blocked from people with no options. I about it. hiding things from people was too often the norm.
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 6 July 2019 01: 52
            +4
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            the number of infected would be blocked from people with no options. I about it. hiding things from people was too often the norm.


            This practice was in the USSR - they were closed in the dispensaries of tuberculosis, mentally unbalanced. Now nobody is being shut up - all patients are free.
  25. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 5 July 2019 19: 47
    +2
    An HIV test is already included in the clinical examination. Take medical examination seriously - this will help to detect infection in a timely manner.
  26. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 5 July 2019 19: 51
    +1
    The regions affected by the virus coincide with the main transit and not only drug trafficking channels through our country, so AIDS is a consequence and not a cause
    1. bk316
      bk316 5 July 2019 20: 07
      0
      major transit and not only drug trafficking channels

      Well, damn it.
      You know that the probability of getting sick with a traditional sexual intercourse for a Russian person is about 5%, with a transfusion of infected blood 100% and with an intravenous use of a syringe after an AIDS patient, about 80%
      1. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 5 July 2019 23: 40
        0
        There will be no drugs, there will be no drug addicts there will be fewer AIDS patients and there will be drugs in Afghanistan and there the Americans encourage this type of criminal business - these are all elements of geopolitics
      2. Ee-mae bee
        Ee-mae bee 6 July 2019 03: 14
        +2
        And the dentist will have about 40 percent. The mucous nifiga does not hold. This is the same wound.
        1. bk316
          bk316 8 July 2019 12: 20
          0
          And the dentist will have about 40 percent

          This is if the dentist’s hand never wavered and he didn’t scratch, and so all 90%
  27. Minato2020
    Minato2020 5 July 2019 23: 41
    0
    AIDS - Suppressed Immune Deficiency Syndrome
    AIDS is not a disease transmitted by infection - it is a general condition.
    This is a depressed state of the immune system due to bad foods, bad water,
    chemistry sprayed in the air, radiation exposure, constant stress and the like.
    AIDS is not spread by infections, therefore, distinguish between those who are ill and who are at risk.
    1. Ee-mae bee
      Ee-mae bee 6 July 2019 03: 12
      +3
      ... only "purchased". And this is a disease. And AIDS is spread by infections. Specifically, the blood transfusion route of transmission of the human immunodeficiency virus. Trust Old Hveldshar wink wink
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 6 July 2019 23: 31
        -2
        True, acquired, not repressed. AIDS - Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
        And the virus that is blamed for AIDS is not pathogenic - it is a saprophyte; in medical terms, it is a normal inhabitant of the human nasopharynx. Those. the AIDS virus has been in our nasopharynx all our lives, as well as the Escherichia coli bacteria in our intestines.
        AIDS is caused primarily by vaccinations, drugs, drugs, alcoholism, smoking, environmental pollution and, more recently, by deterioration in the quality of water and food.
        1. Ee-mae bee
          Ee-mae bee 7 July 2019 21: 34
          +1
          You are mistaken. The fact is that viruses - any, actually can live only inside cells - a virus is a chain of nucleotides in a protein wrapper, in fact there is no longer any nifig. Saprophyte virus, um, living in dead organics ... Is that how you understand that in a dead cell it cannot replicate, cannot multiply in any way? The cell is dead, but the virus itself has nothing to reproduce. In order to even transcribe RNA to protein, at least live ribosomes are needed, for example?
          PiSi, what you described as calling normoflora, normoflora of one place in the body is most often pathogenic in another, a classic example is Staphylococcus aureus, skin normoflora. In a wound it will give a full bouquet, the most common cause of postoperative wound infections, and fins from it are often glued. Despite the fact that on the skin of any person he is normal
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 9 July 2019 16: 38
            0
            Quote: Bee E-mayo
            "The wound will give a full bouquet, the most common cause of postoperative wound infections, and fins are often glued from it. Given that it is normal on any person's skin."


            Aerobic microbes on the skin and body are two groups of microbes that require oxygen to reproduce.
            - gram-positive, which are easily treated with antibiotics.
            - Gram-negative, which are treated much worse with antibiotics.
            Both those and other microbes are normally located on and in the human body! Gram-positive bacteria live on the skin, and Gram-negative bacteria normally live in the intestines and under normal conditions do not cause any infection.

            The cause of postoperative infections is anaerobic microbes (extremely malignant) - that is, for their reproduction, the absence of oxygen is needed and there are no such microbes on the skin. Since we live in an air environment, they must specially create such airless conditions and then a condition called gangrene will develop - this is when anaerobic microbes cause a rapidly spreading process of necrosis. There are no antibiotics yet. Most often they get into an open wound in extreme conditions, for example, when the wound is covered with earth or dirt.
  28. Ee-mae bee
    Ee-mae bee 6 July 2019 00: 54
    -1
    Again HIV is pedaling ... The theme is loud, sonorous ... Fools are happy ... 1% of those who are sick! Die not get up! 1.8%! Finally shoot yourself!
    And we don’t know about the fact that 100% are already high school students, at least in large cities such as Moscow - with gastritis ... The topic does not sound! Gastritis ... So what? Yes, nothing, life expectancy is in the red. and I repeat - 100% - this is not one on a five-story building, but all without exception. Another thread to tell? Look at the tube with oncology.
    But of course, the main problem is AIDS. He's so dangerous, oh wow
    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 6 July 2019 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: Bee E-mayo
      Again HIV is pedaling ... The theme is loud, sonorous ... Fools are happy ... 1% of those who are sick! Die not get up! 1.8%! Finally shoot yourself!
      And we don’t know about the fact that 100% are already high school students, at least in large cities such as Moscow - with gastritis ... The topic does not sound!


      In the USSR, parents are at work all day, children are at school. After school, the children themselves came home, opened the apartment, warmed up or prepared their own food, did their homework, then went for a walk outside. Now it seems incredible, but even first-graders from school came back with house keys. Only in the evening did the parents return home, often not even having the strength and time to find out how the child's day went. Good parents were those who asked their children what happened at school and whether their homework was done. There were children whom the parents were not interested in, they were "healthy C grade students", they were also independent, but they drove around the city streets on bicycles and scooters all day long, hooligans and did not want to do their homework. At the same time, these children spoke, wrote and understood what they were being told, they could study, they just did not want to waste their time on it.
      A child who cannot answer a lesson because he did not learn it, and a child who cannot learn because he simply is not able to do it, are two completely different situations.
      Now more and more often there are situations when a responsible mother fights day and night in attempts to teach her baby basic things, and at the same time she does not get a result.
      A story from the Internet of one such mother who lost faith in medicine.
      http://www.childneurologyinfo.com/footer_about_us-text-part1.php
      1. Ee-mae bee
        Ee-mae bee 8 July 2019 03: 00
        0
        Totally agree
  29. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 July 2019 06: 16
    0
    If you do not get into the jungle, then HIV infection can be obtained free of charge even from the dentist, where the tooth is removed.
  30. Molot1979
    Molot1979 6 July 2019 07: 15
    +1
    Author, do not need this game. Everyone knows how AIDS is transmitted, and how not. And no matter how many infected people live in the house, you cannot get infected from them. Unless sleeping, but this is unlikely.
    And yes - the sensations are really "not the same".
  31. high
    high 6 July 2019 07: 30
    +3
    The author was shy to present a rating of the countries of the world that caught HIV:
    - Benin 1%
    - Russia 1%
    - Mali 1%
    - Cape Verde 0.8%
    - Burkina Faso 0.8%
    - USA 0.5%
    - Germany 0.1%
    - Poland 0.1%
    https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/hiv-prevalence
  32. Million
    Million 6 July 2019 09: 18
    +3
    Our government is infected with an infection worse than HIV. And it is not treated.
    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 6 July 2019 18: 58
      +1
      If there is an infection, then the pathogen can be isolated and a vaccine made.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 6 July 2019 23: 56
        +1
        And if it is not, then you can come up with. HIV for example. The funniest thing about this scam is that
        everyone has long known that viruses, due to their small size, freely pass through the rubber structure, but right there on the blue eye they suggest protecting themselves from the AIDS "virus" with thin rubber cones! Why, the whole campaign was ordered by their producers!
        If anyone has cognitive dissonance, then the truth is that there is AIDS but not HIV. AIDS is from a bunch of other, really dangerous diseases. And the tests give a positive result for the presence of specific antibodies. Which can be a reaction to anything. So, if you have found "HIV", check again in another lab, and then for other diseases that cause a drop in immunity, just work less and sleep more. If there is no hepatitis and other nasty things, then AIDS will pass by itself.
        1. bk316
          bk316 8 July 2019 12: 29
          0
          everyone has long known that viruses, due to their small size, freely pass through the rubber structure, but right there on the blue eye they suggest protecting themselves from the AIDS "virus" with thin rubber cones!

          You can not read further. But it sent me interestingly I want to ask you as a specialist.
          - through what else viruses (glass metal walls) pass freely?laughing
          - what else freely passes through rubber (frog water)? belay
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 8 July 2019 12: 58
            0
            Any material has pores. The fact that you do not know this is your problem. Ever heard the expression "filtering virus"? The latex pore diameter reaches 5 microns. And the diameter of the HIV virus (as it is believed) is 0.1 microns. Most of the viruses get stuck in the 60-micron thickness of the latex. But part still leaks out.
            There is a well-known effect of blowing away the chamber through the pores.
  33. Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 6 July 2019 15: 15
    -1
    Unfortunately, human vices will lead people to extinction. As they say more European values. Africans were less fortunate to bring HIV to them on purpose.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 6 July 2019 23: 58
      0
      But they, eccentrics, for some reason continue to persistently increase the population ...
  34. Luc Mokart
    Luc Mokart 7 July 2019 13: 37
    -1
    "Not surprisingly, the rise in HIV incidence is taking place amid falling sales of this type of contraceptive."
    You can stop here. It has long been known to everyone that the hysteria surrounding HIV and AIDS is only for lobbying the interests of manufacturers of contraception. This is especially obvious when children are forced to use condoms instead of traditional family values.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 8 July 2019 12: 59
      0
      Which give only the illusion of protection.
  35. Andrey Polishchuk
    Andrey Polishchuk 9 July 2019 22: 43
    -2
    HIV is a disease FOR fools.
    The smart ones are able to figure out what's what, determine where the deception is, and where the truth is, but there are no fools.
    Therefore, smart people have long understood that HIV and even more so AIDS is an invention of planetary fraudsters.
    It would be fun to calculate how much dough they raked from the day when they launched this bullshit.
    And the virus is so ugly in the picture picked up.
    True, a virus, of which there are a great many in nature.
    Nothing provocative.
    And immunity to people roll in the process of treatment.
    All people with this diagnosis are divided into two categories:
    - who started the "course of treatment";
    - and who for some reason can not start it (they scored, or there is no money, or they are in prison).
    So those who cannot begin "treatment" live, poor, with this terrible diagnosis for decades and cannot die in any way.
    And those who began to actively use the services of "healers" - died, having previously drained all their money. For example, Nureyev, or Mercury (doctors love to diagnose pederasts and drug addicts).
    But if we talk about money, then finances from patients are a trifle, a drop in the ocean.
    The fact is that the development of "drugs for AIDS" and various studies are funded by the states.
    And this is many millions of dollars and euros.
    This is the real reason for the miraculous appearance of a "new" and "incurable" disease.
    Learning to "cure" it is to strangle the goose that lays the golden eggs.
    However, of course, one day they will triumphantly and with fanfare find a miraculous salvation. At the same time, when another HIV will come to replace HIV, an EVEN MORE SCARY and INHERAL disease.
    Just as ISIS was born immediately after killing Osama bin Laden.
    And yes. I, in a sinful affair, are thinking: should I get HIV. After all, then disability will be attributed. At least some penny for free from the state.
    And maybe expensive drugs will be for the state. to issue an account - you can push "to the left". More money.
    The main thing is to avoid "treatment". Then I will live to be 100 years old.
    If the state is deceiving its citizens, then retaliatory deception is not a crime, but NECESSARY DEFENSE.
    And defense is the sacred right of every person.
    Remember this golden rule.
  36. akunin
    akunin 10 July 2019 05: 52
    0
    At one time, advertising of toothpastes played a great role in the prevention of stomatological diseases, maybe you need an advertisement for condoms with a bias towards protection against HIV, and not an endless advertisement of "non-alcoholic" beer?
  37. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 10 July 2019 08: 51
    0
    The main question is where does the infection happen? Is it only sexually? Are there any spreading factors through hospitals and other places of regular visits in this epidemic? And so
    here the next moment is born. Who benefits from this? Who is the beneficiary? Transnational pharmaceutical concerns are foreign states or Russian rulers looking for ways to reduce population costs. Including this way.
  38. lukewarm
    lukewarm 11 July 2019 08: 56
    0
    Scary, but okay. With up to 65 smoke without unbending, what to grunt earlier. Small loss.