Ukrainian church again split and abolished Tomos

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In the St. Vladimir Patriarchal Cathedral of Kiev, the local council of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate was held. According to its results, the restoration of the Kyiv Patriarchate was announced, and, in fact, a new schism of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine.



The Orthodox Church in Ukraine has split again. Filaret, before the formation of the Local Orthodox Church of Ukraine (PCU) under the auspices of Constantinople, who was the head of the non-canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate, announced the restoration of the latter.

The Orthodox Church of Ukraine has split the honorary patriarch


The CCU, which received the Tomos from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople to create a local church, and made Filaret an honorary patriarch, attempted to prevent the schismatics from holding their own council. In particular, a forum was announced, the presence of which was obligatory for the episcopate: in this way, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine tried to prevent the presence of high church officials at the event of Philaret.

In addition, the CCA made a statement that the “local council” of Filaret is non-statutory. It was noted that the consequences would be both canonical and legal. The fact that the Orthodox Church of Ukraine appeared due to the unifying council convened by the non-canonical patriarch doesn’t give Filaret the right to change his mind to cancel his decision, in the opinion of the CCU.
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Filaret recently actively opposed Tomos, issued by Constantinople. The document, on the one hand creating a local church, severely limited its rights. In particular, the new structure was deprived of its extremely important parishes abroad (there were many of them in rich America and Canada): they passed under the auspices of the Greeks. In addition, it was headed not by the patriarch, but by the metropolitan.

Poroshenko accused of cheating


Shortly before the rebellious honorary patriarch of the CPU, she announced her official head of Epiphanius and the former President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, in deception.

Following the results of the local council, Filaret clearly indicated his position: the Tomos issued to Ukraine did not correspond to the status of autocephalous churches. Its provisions make Ukraine extremely dependent on the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

The decision of the schismatic council restores the status of the non-canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyiv Patriarchate. In addition, the UOC-KP is declared the sole owner of all funds in the accounts. The management of its former temples and monasteries also returns to the restored structure, as well as foreign paraffin.

The Cathedral thanks the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew and all the hierarchs of the Mother Church for trying to solve the Ukrainian church problem, but we are not satisfied with the content of Tomos about the autocephaly of the Orthodox Ukrainian Church.

- states in the 8 paragraph of the two-page document adopted at the end of the council held by Filaret. The church outlined all its decisions in paragraphs 10.
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  1. +21
    20 June 2019 18: 29
    The schismatics went into schism - it sounds cool.
    1. +12
      20 June 2019 18: 31
      Quote: Egorovich
      The schismatics went into schism - it sounds cool.

      Like a classic: "The split has a beginning, the split has no end!"
      1. +12
        20 June 2019 19: 35
        What is the relationship to Orthodoxy have a swindler on trust Denisenko ("patriarch" Filaret) with his gang, who called for murders and issued medals to murderers, or "ptsu" ("scu") created by Waltzman and gangsters Narik and Emil?
      2. +2
        20 June 2019 19: 37
        More Orthodox churches in Ukraine! Good and different!
        The new slogan of the inhabitants of Independence. American democracy. The only thing missing is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Mormon
        1. +11
          20 June 2019 20: 14
          announced a new split of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine.


          "The revolution has a beginning! The revolution has no end!"
        2. +6
          21 June 2019 02: 15
          More Orthodox churches in Ukraine! Good and different!
          The new slogan of the inhabitants of Independence. American democracy. The only thing missing is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Mormon
          I would also send them our "god Kuzyu" .....
          1. +1
            21 June 2019 02: 36
            I agree. The full personification of democracy
    2. +2
      20 June 2019 20: 50
      When will sensible people appear in Ukraine?
      1. +2
        20 June 2019 23: 13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        When will sensible people appear in Ukraine?

        As soon as they appear, they will immediately dump them ..
      2. +3
        21 June 2019 02: 40
        Quote: tihonmarine
        When will sensible people appear in Ukraine?

        As soon as Russian tanks and polite people call in Kiev, they all at once begin to think sensibly. Even those that before that did not know how to think.
    3. +5
      20 June 2019 21: 09
      Quote: Egorovich
      The schismatics went into schism - it sounds cool.

      The show goes on.

      The person who shot this video, campaign, suspected such an outcome in advance))) For this I respect him cordially.
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. tap
      +1
      21 June 2019 08: 10
      There is a rule in the church by which one can distinguish a schism: "A schism always splits." This was the case with the Catholics and with us with the Old Believers. (Popovtsy, bespopovtsy)
      1. +3
        21 June 2019 12: 00
        Sorry, but about our Old Believers, have they got excited ?. Why do you think that the "reformed" UOC under Nikon is considered more kosher?
  2. +10
    20 June 2019 18: 29
    Ukrainian church again split and abolished Tomos

    Really again? As in the training manual: Peremoga turns, turns, turns ..... in zrada!
    Who would doubt that.
    1. +4
      20 June 2019 19: 15
      “If you want to make a million, create your own religion.” In this case, the Church is enough.
    2. 0
      20 June 2019 19: 27
      Once again I am convinced: in Ukraine, the main thing is fun!
      1. 0
        20 June 2019 19: 38
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Once again I am convinced: in Ukraine, the main thing is fun!

        Yes, but it is entertaining, turned into a continuous nauseous.
      2. +2
        20 June 2019 21: 04
        Once again I am convinced: in Ukraine, the main thing is fun!

        Well, no, it was written more than once even in VO that this tomos is not profitable for the Ukrainian Church. So the guys in Kiev realized. Everything is logical, they decided to replay everything back, they will restore their positions, and they will substitute a weirdo of Constantinople.
    3. +1
      20 June 2019 20: 53
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Ukrainian church again split and abolished Tomos

      Really again? As in the training manual: Peremoga turns, turns, turns ..... in zrada!
      Who would doubt that.

      hi Health to all!
      In Ukraine, I can’t understand and remember two things. what ,
      -first, what is the difference between overpower and zrad when they are yelled about at the same time at each event?
      -second, why are there so many spiritual and church directions that are not in harmony with each other, but each guarantees humility and a righteous way of life?
      1. +1
        20 June 2019 21: 05
        -first, what is the difference between overpower and zrad when they are yelled about at the same time at each event?

        For 4 years now there is a special term zrado permog. It is quite according to the canons of doublethink.
        1. +3
          20 June 2019 21: 43
          Quote: alexmach
          For 4 years now there is a special term zrado-permog.

          I can not resist)))
      2. +1
        21 June 2019 02: 54
        Quote: Terenin
        why so many spiritual and church directions,

        I am already confused in these Ukrainian branches of the church and their leaders. Maybe someone understands, chews on us popularly, preferably with schemes. And then do not understand anything
    4. 0
      20 June 2019 21: 34
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Who would doubt that.

      The Wheel of Genkot is a great thing.
  3. +2
    20 June 2019 18: 29
    I wish all of them personalized aspen and rope.
  4. +5
    20 June 2019 18: 30
    The church in Ukraine will be crushed to an atomic state ... all about God think in the sweat of the face of the churchmen.
    Christianity in the world and in Ukraine in particular is going through hard times ... this is alarming.
    1. HAM
      +6
      20 June 2019 18: 49
      Yeah oh GOD they think first of all, they cannot even eat! ,,,, think so ...
  5. +2
    20 June 2019 18: 30
    dichotomy - the path of the Ukrainian church
    1. +3
      20 June 2019 18: 51
      Quote: novel xnumx
      dichotomy - the path of the Ukrainian church

      do not express yourself on the site! on everything, the will of God ...
    2. +1
      20 June 2019 21: 21
      Quote: novel xnumx
      dichotomy - the path of the Ukrainian church

      hi Thanks, Roma, judging that Dichotomy (Greek διχοτομία: δῐχῆ, "in two" + τομή, "division") is a dichotomy. A method of logical division of a class into subclasses, which consists in the fact that a divisible concept is completely divided into two mutually exclusive concepts
      I finally realized what zrada and peremoga laughing
      1. +1
        20 June 2019 21: 34
        Gene, hi for their own - forever !!!
  6. +1
    20 June 2019 18: 31
    I wonder what the unreasonable relationships in the UOC look like in reality? wassat Hazing from priests - the old believers - sounds trembling in the heels is scary for the young believers wassat
    1. +1
      20 June 2019 18: 38
      Believers laughing
  7. 0
    20 June 2019 18: 32
    My just cry ... Cry Cry ... Third day, Vigilant Eye and onwards.
  8. +9
    20 June 2019 18: 32
    It would be time for this Tomos to already be transferred to Sotheby's or Christie for an auction, maybe Ukraine will earn some denyuzhku.
    1. -1
      20 June 2019 18: 36
      Nycomed - at the auction you need to transfer to ukroin - at the residual price, plus debts on credits from the IMF !!!
  9. +12
    20 June 2019 18: 32
    Constantinople threw the PCU, the PCU threw Constantinople. Divine.
    1. +3
      20 June 2019 18: 39
      No, so far only show-off, the level "Divine" will be only if the OCU KP from Constantinople also pulls off money :)
    2. +2
      20 June 2019 19: 40
      Everything is like in the Gospel: Abraham begat Isaac; Isaac begat Jacob; Jacob
      gave birth to Judah and his brothers ... Indeed, divine, I would even say - devilishly divine ...
  10. +1
    20 June 2019 18: 34
    In short, soap and bast - start over! belay Has everything returned to normal? ?? recourse Or, the comedy will go "with breaks for mass" ??? belay
  11. 0
    20 June 2019 18: 38
    Guys, well, after all, this is the largest free circus in the entire history of mankind ... They hurried to choose Ze Lensky. It was necessary to send Zapashny to them by the president, and Kuklacheva as the prime minister
  12. +3
    20 June 2019 18: 41
    Bartholomew simply did not understand with whom he had contacted. This obscurantist even brought everyone to the Russian Orthodox Church, and it’s hard to surprise these people.
  13. +5
    20 June 2019 18: 47
    as they say, who lives in Ukraine, he doesn’t laugh at the circus ...
  14. +2
    20 June 2019 18: 50
    and is it possible that the schismatics, not recognized by anyone, would split again?
    1. +3
      20 June 2019 18: 52
      Everything is possible here ... I would not be surprised if this "everything" includes a violation of even physical laws.
  15. +1
    20 June 2019 18: 56
    Can you ask a question? They renamed Kiev and, therefore, the patriarchy is no longer "Kiev", but "Kuevsky".
    1. +10
      20 June 2019 19: 01
      Not "Kuevsky" but Kuevy, or you can Kuev patriarchy))
      1. +2
        20 June 2019 19: 37
        Ah ha ha! Cue patriarchy! Bravo! So after all they so called! good
  16. 0
    20 June 2019 19: 03
    The wedding in Ukrainian Robin continues.
  17. +6
    20 June 2019 19: 03
    Something I'm already confused, how many Ukrainian Orthodox churches they have there and how many patriarchs ....
    And each for Thomas.
    From the whole captain of the army of the Sultan.
    1. +5
      20 June 2019 22: 58
      Something I'm already confused, how many Ukrainian Orthodox churches they have there and how many patriarchs ....

      Briefly does not succeed (((
      Initially it was:
      1 Autocephalous, formed almost during the revolution during the persecution of the church, in fact real partisans (but not recognized by anyone).
      2 The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is a kind of branch of the Russian Orthodox Church, it is in charge of it, it is recognized by it.
      3 Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate - was formed after the collapse of the USSR.
      At that time, Filaret was a big ace in the Russian Orthodox Church, had connections with the KGB but it did not support him, so he lost to Alexei the second during the election of the Metropolitan of All Russia and held a deep resentment. And here in Ukraine there was a big request for a church independent of Russia, which he took advantage of creating the UOC-KP and began to troll the ROC and the UOC-MP. (Filaret was also not recognized by anyone).
      Then the Ecumenical Patriarchate Worfolomey joined the party, realizing that the Ukrainians want not only independent of Russia, but also a recognized church, he proposed to unite the Autocephalous Church, the UOC-KP and even there (I don’t even remember the small numbers).
      Everyone publicly repented, the anathema was lifted from Filaret, but they did not put the head of the new Orthodox Church of Ukraine in view of the honorable age and adiosity of the figure. In the UOC-KP, he was the patriarch, and in the OCU, the head of the church was only a metropolitan (the rank is lower, but there are some nuances: the FSB colonel is not a colonel of the ground forces. rank higher, but does not solve anything).
      Filaret again held a deep grudge because completely lost power and was sent to retirement, and therefore took up what he can - repair the split.
      But then it suddenly turned out that none of the new CCPs even thought of supporting him. for the majority of priests and people, it was precisely a-independence from Russia and b-recognition. Therefore, this time no one supported Philaret, not in church circles, not among the people. Now they look at him in Ukraine as an old man who has lost his mind and has begun to freak out.
      So currently in Ukraine there are 2 churches:
      1UPTs-MP (covered by the Russian Orthodox Church), pro-Russian people go to it.
      2 CPSU (covered by the Ecumenical Patriarchate), those who do not want to have anything to do with Russia go to it.
      After the unification of the autocephalous and the UOC-KP, 520 churches from the ROC-MP (about 5%) moved to the PCU, so now the PCU and the UOC-MP are almost equivalent in number of parishes. And this actually was a blow to the UOC-MP and the Russian Orthodox Church from the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
      What wakes up next is hard to say, but this event will go down in the history of textbooks and will be taught in hundreds of years.
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 00: 30
      The UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate is a single church for the majority of the people, all the other schismatics.
  18. +3
    20 June 2019 19: 09
    Scho, again! Apparently they read Lenin - "One step forward, two steps back."
  19. 0
    20 June 2019 19: 12
    Ay-ah-ah ... Nothing more to say!
  20. 0
    20 June 2019 19: 26
    The second act of Marlezon ballet. Scream with these false priests.
  21. +4
    20 June 2019 19: 34
    This is some kind of reproduction by budding. So, in ten years, thousands of little priests will run around Ukraine, each with his censer and absolutely autocephalously, while shouting to each other: “And I put my tomos on your tomos! Brrr, I was already shuddering at such a picture.
  22. 0
    20 June 2019 19: 37
    I wonder how many true believers are here? And how many hypocrites who were once communists, Komsomol members, pioneers and suddenly became true (or sincerely - as you please) believers? After all, don’t tell, these people once lied or lie ... then or now? And in general, this whole situation is ridiculous. I ask only the older generation - when did you lie?
    1. +1
      20 June 2019 22: 01
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      I wonder how many true believers are here? And how many hypocrites who were once communists, Komsomol members, pioneers and suddenly became true (or sincerely - as you please) believers? After all, don’t tell, these people once lied or lie ... then or now? And in general, this whole situation is ridiculous. I ask only the older generation - when did you lie?

      Something you, Sergei demand a lot at once. How many true believers, hypocrites, how many of them "changed their shoes in the air" after the Communist Party? Nobody left questionnaires on VO with the administrators. Everyone, if he wants, will speak for himself.
      So I went through all the political structures of the times of the USSR (from a pioneer to a communist). Lied? To whom? To my grandmother, who was a true believer (pious) and whom I very much respected, loved and was afraid of. What for? request
      I do not think that even now, at VO, forum users only know that they are lying. Everyone has an opinion.
      Py.Sy. As the saying goes, "everything secret becomes apparent", or "bullshit, it will always come out" Yes
      The minus is not mine.
    2. 0
      20 June 2019 23: 05
      I wonder how many true believers are here?

      You clumsyly asked, so you were bombarded.
      The question is actually a good one, so I will slightly reformulate it:
      And who among the regulars IN, and most importantly whenparticipated in the sacrament of the Eucharist? ))))
    3. +1
      21 June 2019 02: 31
      I am a church Orthodox. He was a communist, he didn’t leave the party, he kept the party card. I still think that an authoritarian, totalitarian society with a smart leader is the most effective. And accordingly, with the stupid, just the opposite. I know that there is a God, but I still do not consider myself to be a believer. Faith is a very high state of mind. Minus from me - you need to follow the bazaars.
  23. +1
    20 June 2019 19: 41
    It might have been funny if it hadn’t been so sad.
  24. 0
    20 June 2019 19: 44
    I immediately remembered the phrase from the movie "Wedding in Malinovka": again the power is changing. laughing Apparently such thoughts are among parishioners of the UOC-KP.
  25. +2
    20 June 2019 19: 48
    Brownian movement in the religion of the whole country. Without meaning and purpose, movement for the sake of movement. Although the true goal, of course, is, and this is not faith, but money. One can say the disappointment in Orthodoxy and the devastation of the hearts of an entire people. The Americans won this game in Ukraine.
    1. -2
      21 June 2019 00: 45
      You are wrong. In Kiev, in the church on Sunday morning, there are a lot of people in the service, half of the youth, and a third of children. There is no disappointment, I myself am not particularly a believer, but I try to partake children more often.
      1. 0
        21 June 2019 17: 20
        Quote: Fayter2017
        You are wrong. In Kiev, in the church on Sunday morning, there are a lot of people in the service, half of the youth, and a third of children.

        And what does it mean ? God is within us, in actions, in thoughts, in deeds, and not in going to the Temple! Such parishioners are divided into those who believe in the PCU and the Communist Party. How so, is the church universal?
        And how the girl was persecuted in the Lviv region, because she did not go to the vocational educational institution, and these are all believers. So I would say your comment by ...................
        1. 0
          24 June 2019 00: 40
          You argue from the point of view of an atheist, but I disagree with you, let the schismatics go anywhere. "Adventures" to the temple, to the church are for you sectarians, while the Orthodox have to go and defend the service in the church, but for this you need to strain, and not lying on the couch to seek God in thoughts, actions, etc. Believers are different believers, the Nazis also had God with us written on the belt badge, did they help? So this is your comment by, and in Kiev, what I myself see, the Orthodox Church has never said a word in support of the Maidan authorities and their policies. For this, Porosyushenko started the venture with a "thermos-tomos" just to split Orthodox people, so no matter how you would like, the Orthodox Church in Ukraine unites people and protects them from zombies.
          Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 03: 07
      Quote: APASUS
      Without meaning and purpose, movement for the sake of movement.

      The meaning here is clear to pain. And it has nothing to do with God. Washed away in squeezing as many churches and parishes as possible, and, accordingly, money for their own well-being.
  26. +4
    20 June 2019 19: 51
    "Good toastmaster! And interesting contests!"
  27. +4
    20 June 2019 19: 56
    Filaret goes to the record - by the number of anathemas and excommunications. laughing
  28. 0
    20 June 2019 20: 00
    Quote: 210ox
    I wish all of them personalized aspen and rope.

    ... and Turkish tomos in the ass.
  29. +1
    20 June 2019 20: 28
    There is evidence that GOD is there: everything is natural - a traitor and a Christ seller, anathema hogwash, denisenko, after the collapse of the USSR, who stole 3 billion real full-fledged Soviet rubles from the box office of the Kiev Exarchate, along with the same traitor to the Communist ideological ide Kravchuk, the first prezik, astronomical sums from the Ukrainian background who killed to get the false patriarchate and the self-proclaimed "patriarchy" of the predecessor of the Romanyuk, gets what he deserves.

    Who is the hero of present-day Ukraine? “A traitor to Mazepa, whose name was and WILL BE a rude curse and a terrible insult, like the Bandera and the loop”

    The traitor filaretka glorified and canonized the traitor Mazepa in his lie “patriarchy”, and this is the result ...

    The disciple of epifashka in treachery surpassed the teacher and boss - archiplut and protestation filaretka.

    Here are the heroes in Ukraine: fascist henchmen Shukhevych, stetsko, filaretkadenisenko, nadyasyavchenko ...
    Kaike heroes, such a country ...
  30. +1
    20 June 2019 20: 39
    What a mess. Loot steers.
  31. +1
    20 June 2019 20: 39
    Well done old man, the task of the "Center" completed.
    Now, apparently, there will be a presentation for an extraordinary title and an honorary award.
    But seriously, the one who once betrayed will betray further, is something now that Constantinople, in spite of Moscow, having removed the anathema from him, will sing?
    1. +2
      20 June 2019 23: 10
      Well done old man, the task of the "Center" completed.

      Wake up laughing, but it is possible that in this situation he will be reminded of the "dossier" at the Lubyanka and make an offer he cannot refuse.
      If, under the UOC-KP, stirring up his past was akin to shooting a gun from sparrows, because it wasn’t recognized anyway, and the UOC-KP in number was one third of the UOC-MP, then after Thomas the alignment changed, the Orthodox Church is much stronger than the UOC-KP, if only because it included the autocephalous church of Ukraine and 520 churches from the UOC- MP.
      So grandfather can even be called upon, but there are no former among the KGB, now the PCU wakes up to troll and bring discord into it.
  32. -1
    20 June 2019 20: 50
    no, it's just ... a little face
  33. +3
    20 June 2019 22: 10
    The article is not for this site. But, if you look at the essence of Filaret’s activity, you can write a book and put it next to Archpriest Avakuum, who, being sent to the Daurian lands with his prayer, terrified and terrified the Chinese who were annoying the Russian settlements. And strengthened the right of the Russians in this region. Filaret (Mikhail Denisenko) comes from the Donetsk region, the village of Blagodatnoe is located on the fast Krynka river, a tributary of Mius. In 1963, he was the archimadrid of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra when Khrushchev closed it and contributed to it in every way, for which he received a black mark from the schema of that monastery about his merciless death .. Since 1966, the Russian Orthodox Church exarch in the Ukrainian Republic and the right hand of Patriarch Pimen. After the death of the patriarch, he was not elected to the cathedral in 1990 and remained at his former roles, but began to split up instead of exarchate and proclaimed a new national church, where the service was not conducted in the Church Slavonic language of the equal apostles Cyril and Methodius from 863. but in artificial 1914 written by a Jew Grushitsky commissioned by Austrian intelligence to enslave the Rusyns (Russian western lands). The split was suppressed by the Kharkov Cathedral in 1992, but inadvertently the now presiding Kharkov Metropolitan Nikadim, the Ukrainian church, was retained by the Kiev Metropolitanate. This gave rise to such figures as the destruction of All-Russia , Kuchma and Yushchenko to stake a new church formation in Constantinople at the Ecumenical Patriarch, but Patriarch Alexy 2 scared the shaky patriarch Bartholomew and did not accept the Ukrainian schismatics. Waltzman (Poroshenko), through the US intelligence agencies, found Bartholomew's weaknesses and brought him the necessary arguments, and the very busy Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church could not convince Bartholomew not to accept these gifts of Judah. ​​Bartholomew canceled the curse on Filaret given to him as a schismatic by the cathedral in Kharkov, which allowed Denisenko to wait until Waltzman will resign and return himself to cash flows in the form of the so-called Patriarch. The game of the nationalist church took the form of gang warfare for a common fund, which once again proves that in the territory of All Russia there is canonical only one ROC., With the blood, sorrows and death of Orthodox soldiers and laity staked it here for centuries.
  34. +1
    20 June 2019 22: 28
    They built on deception and continue to crawl!
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  36. 0
    20 June 2019 22: 45
    Its provisions put Ukraine in extreme dependence on the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

    It seems that it became a tradition to sign without reading at the forelocks, then with the Euroassociation they were bent with lack of visa, they also stuffed loans.
  37. +1
    20 June 2019 22: 45
    Its provisions put Ukraine in extreme dependence on the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

    It seems that it became a tradition to sign without reading at the forelocks, then with the Euroassociation they were bent with lack of visa, they also stuffed loans.
  38. 0
    20 June 2019 23: 06
    Quote: Egorovich
    The Ukrainian Church split again

    Escherichia coli reproduction
  39. 0
    20 June 2019 23: 07
    Changed the tomos in the sky to a thermos in your hand!
  40. +1
    20 June 2019 23: 07
    They call them the right way - "schismatics". Is it to split Ukraine?
    Each area by Thomas!
  41. 0
    21 June 2019 03: 40
    Quote: RAE8
    I am a church Orthodox. He was a communist, he didn’t leave the party, he kept the party card. I still think that an authoritarian, totalitarian society with a smart leader is the most effective. And accordingly, with the stupid, just the opposite. I know that there is a God, but I still do not consider myself to be a believer. Faith is a very high state of mind. Minus from me - you need to follow the bazaars.

    So when were you sincere (I'll "follow the bazaar" a little and soften my question)? Then or now? Or maybe you are a church-going communist? Hmmm ... if you wanted to make me laugh, then you did it. :) And yet ... I deeply do not care about all the minuses (or pluses) in the world, including yours.
  42. +1
    21 June 2019 05: 42
    Hmm! I will quote a little from the Koran: "How to deceive the one who reads in their hearts?"
    This next split is the division of the dough between those who have appropriated the title of intermediary between God and man.

    I personally watched (and I’m not alone) as a priest picks his teeth in a cross, showing the second something on the phone. Standing on the porch of a church.
  43. +2
    21 June 2019 06: 03
    Yeah, they don’t get bored there. Now the church show.
  44. 0
    21 June 2019 08: 05
    The Tomos was a crutch for Poroshenko's legitimacy and was supposed to help him get a second term. Accordingly, there is no Poroshenko in the presidency, and the tomos is not needed either. The toy was thrown away and now "hits the heads" of the believers.
  45. +1
    21 June 2019 13: 28
    Ukrainian church again split and abolished Tomos

    FSE, the warranty is over. Repair at your own expense. laughing
  46. 0
    21 June 2019 15: 03
    What is tomos, what is brake - for them there is not much difference.
  47. 0
    21 June 2019 16: 28
    Business. Fight for money.
    I won’t give a dime to priests.
  48. 0
    21 June 2019 21: 52
    ,, Someone, Denisenko wassat sold his soul - ,, to the crafty ,,. Now he understands - THROWED !!!