Israel presented cheap AWACS plane

The Israeli company Elta, uniting with the Brazilian company Ember, presented the AEW plane, which can take a completely new segment in the market for such machines. Its main advantage will be that the Israeli aircraft will be much cheaper than competitors.

The DRLOI aircraft market is very similar to a closed country club with an expensive entrance ticket. In most cases, buyers prefer to give preference primarily to American systems, and political considerations play a major role. In the UK, for example, the tender was not held in principle.

The Israeli company Elta decided to change the situation on the market by joining with the Brazilian Ember for marketing a combined product called P600 AEW. The Israelis decided to reduce the cost of the final product by reducing the cost of the main platform and reducing the cost of equipment by choosing the type of radar.

Cheap DRLOI

The P600 AEW is a light early warning radar aircraft based on the Embraer Praetor 600 business jet. The take-off weight of this aircraft is 19,5 tons, its cost per 2018 year was 21 million dollars. If you focus on your closest competitors, then the Gulfstream G550, on the basis of which the Air Force Nachshon Aitam was created by the Israel Air Force, costs 61,5 million dollars with twice the take-off weight. The cost of operating the aircraft is also much cheaper.

The P600 AEW uses radar with an active phased-array antenna (AESA). Its feature is a new type of “tiled” antenna, which allows to reduce the number of receiving-transmitting modules, while not losing in the range and quality of bearing of objects. Due to this, the total cost of a system with two antennas, with a viewing angle of 240 degrees, is significantly reduced.

Maximum flexibility

As part of the work of the new consortium, Embraer will be responsible for the platform itself, its maintenance, system integration with aircraft systems and communications. Elta, in turn, provides the radar, is responsible for electronic systems and their overall integration.

The platform is a fairly flexible constructor, to which, on request, you can add an electronic intelligence system with the possibility of warning of radar exposure, an advanced communication system (with the ability to connect to satellite communications and data networks, as well as the integration of your own-alien system and control.

The aircraft provides superior performance and flexibility, with the best price-performance ratio in its category. It can be easily adapted to the needs of the customer and is able to perform a wide range of tasks in the most economical way possible.

- said Jackson Schneider, President and CEO of Embraer Defense & Security.

Comments

[NEXUS]

Maybe we to A-100 / 50U something the same economy class to create?

[Skay]

It’s a good idea to raise a higher number of radars.

[Cowbra]

Helicopter. Created. This one, along the way - is for "a small but proud country!" They will sell. For example, to Eastern Europe or Georgia - these will not be bought from us in principle. Why do we need to do it? And for yourself - you need something more powerful, with our size

[zadorin1974]

Initially, such machines are good in that their operation is cheap. Accordingly, they will constantly hang in the sky. Compare the cost of an hour of flight of a helicopter and an airplane, you will probably be very surprised. Such machines would be very useful to the border service. It’s a pity that Russia doesn’t your small class aircraft.

[Cowbra]

Why should the border guards? I don’t take sailors. And for those who are on foot - they rather need drones with cameras, do they don’t detect DRLO with drugs?
Everyone else needs something more powerful - the more powerful, the farther away from the border they will spot a potential attack on the country. And if you hear the Kyrgyz Republic, for example, 100 km from the border ... Consider that you did not hear at all.

[zadorin1974]

So we have the length of the sea border is no less than the land border, to combat sea poachers and double basses. In the Far East, this is very important. There, apart from the Chinese and Japanese, each creature has already been noted in pairs.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Cowbra

Why should the border guards? I don’t take sailors.

Since just MCHPV / Bohr cheap car AWACS and needed. Because the task of controlling not only the 12-mile zone of the water supply, but also the 200-mile economic zone hangs on BOCHR (BOCHR also deals with fish conservation).
Over at the Yankees, the Border and Customs Service has as many as 14 AWACS vehicles.

The P-3 LRT and P-3 AEW Border Patrol Aircraft, on an ongoing basis, collaborate with the F / A-18 fighter aircraft based on the Corpus Christi airfields in Texas and Cesil Field in Florida. In the same year, in 2015, a squadron of UAVs MQ-9 Reaper was deployed, which also deal with the control of the marine area. As of 2016 year, the border aviation divisions included X-NUMX aircraft P-14 LRT and P-3 AEW.

© Sergey Linnik. Aviation AWACS (part 6).

[Zaurbek]

What media? Now they took up the AWACS on the Tu204 ... this is progress. And so it is entirely possible, but on the basis of the SSZh100 to pile something ... when it is localized.

[strannik1985]

You can’t, components will be sanctioned. For Sukhoi to be used for military purposes, full localization of production in the Russian Federation is needed.

[Altai72]

Dry for military aviation does not fit by some criteria, especially the SSJ100.

[newcomer]

You can restart the YAK44E, with modern equipment. there is also good news MIG took up a new TCB on the order of the Moscow Region. apparently MIG AT was not lost in vain.

[Zaurbek]

Easier on the basis of IL 112/114 .. Yak more projection than aircraft. The closest to the serial version was An72 with a mushroom on the tail.

[newcomer]

Well, this is a complete opinion, but the Yakovlevites, in parallel with the AN72 base, nevertheless continued the project. was ready for 90 / 91gg. hacked up.

[Zaurbek]

There were a lot of problems and there was only a wooden layout. And the project itself is complicated - for aircraft carriers. And for Ana, the filling was not ready ... but it was overland. Hence the readiness of the apparatus.

[newcomer]

Well, why so categorically. problems were with the engines_ solved. there were two options: the internal placement of the radar and the external (mushroom). chose the first project_ Torch. the car was completely ready and approved. decided to produce in Tashkent for Ulyanovsk. with the latter they also hacked Yak. The machine is designed to control airspace, earth surface and water surface. optionally based on the deck.

[novel66]

if we still want an aircraft carrier there should be a deck-mounted AWAC Garik

[newcomer]

Roman, yes. but the question of the carrier_ I think Yak is suitable, my colleagues are different. crammed into the Cheka modern systems, smaller in size and weight and the thing is in the hat.

[bayard]

Already worried - on the basis of the Tu-214 will make a lighter and more numerous series. It would be nice to make an easy AWACS aircraft on the basis of IL-114.

[rocket757]

Quote: NEXUS

Maybe we to A-100 / 50U something the same economy class to create?

Yes, yes, to mount, equip on a new "corn plant" !!!

[Dude]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: NEXUS

Maybe we to A-100 / 50U something the same economy class to create?

Yes, yes, to mount, equip on a new "corn plant" !!!

A sort of Low Cost in the world

[rocket757]

Interested parties question, the technique will be studied .... after all, it is true, miniaturization allows you to cram a lot of interesting things into small volumes. In this respect, Made in Israel, this is serious and worth studying \ attention.

[Dude]

Quote: rocket757

Interested parties question, the technique will be studied .... after all, it is true, miniaturization allows you to cram a lot of interesting things into small volumes. In this respect, Made in Israel, this is serious and worth studying \ attention.

Certainly.

[yehat]

Quote: NEXUS

economy class to create?

This question has long been worth an edge
previously, due to the mass of equipment, it was not very promising,
in the 80s, the USSR began to actively engage in the topic, but did not have time - the tagged one turned out to be faster.
in Ukraine, the AN-71 remained, but they did not manage to release it in significant series.

[rocket757]

A lot of things were NOT SUCCESSFUL, or even BURED .... this is a shot labeled by God, and many are nearby and then, for a long time we will be remembered! Well, if it becomes a lesson to our descendants.

[parkello]

just right..deck to do and on Kuzyu ... just right a couple of these fit.

[karabass]

here is a good example of the competent actions of the military industrial complex - to create what the market requires

[g1washntwn]

An example of modern sucker marketing. Since all the most needed AWACSIU Options come with a separate price tag. In the amount of + 75-100% to the announced price, it will be released.

[yehat]

there are countries that cannot afford to arm themselves according to the "full program" and buy what is available. For example, such a plane could be useful to Iran.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: yehat

For example, such a plane could be useful to Iran.

If he is at the right time is able to see the desired type of aircraft, for example F-35I.

[Exuberant]

Obviously a tricky little plane from the Jews, it’s luring you for cheapness .. I wouldn’t buy it, the devil knows what is hidden in it ..

[_Ugene_]

And who offers us it? Israel doesn’t solve these issues on its own, and Papa won’t solve it, without options

[Krasnodar]

“Papa” is not in business here, as he hasn’t invested a dime in this project
I am more surprised by the price - the business Falcon costs about 27 million bucks - the same one is crammed with electronics for the most I don’t want and the price of 20% is cheaper with some percent)).

[_Ugene_]

"Dad" is out of business

you think so, but in fact, if the final product contains at least one US technology or joint development, then Israel can sell such a product only after the approval of the Pope, and almost all high-tech products in Israel use US technologies, they have their own shooter, maybe something else on the little things. There is no need to go far for examples - we wanted to buy modern drones from them, dad did not allow them, in the end we bought from them the development of the 90s and are proud now that we produce this junk ourselves under license, this is me about "our" Outpost, which their Searcher

[zlinn]

[/ quote] Almost all high-tech products in Israel use the US technology [quote]

Why do you think so? just interesting, I did not find such information

[_Ugene_]

and you ask what Israel can sell abroad without the approval of the United States? Of modern high-tech weapons, almost nothing, for this reason

[Zaurbek]

US technology and its patents are there. Read the back of any computer and power supply, I am silent about software.

[_Ugene_]

Well, for example, in our weapons there is no US technology with a valid patent, at least officially

[Krasnodar]

So with our SuperJet the same problem.
In addition to the riflemen, Israel has completely its own nishtyaks. I don’t know about this miracle. Too cheap for the Mericaton components, although - I do not exclude the possibility that they are

[Zaurbek]

They started, like, to solve this problem. CJS from Etam will be able to export without US permission .... Airbus, for example, cannot, like embryos and bombardiers.

[_Ugene_]

SuperJet was initially positioned as a joint project, it was never ours

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Krasnodar

and the price is 20% with something

Just VAT.

[Krasnodar]

It’s like in that joke - why does everyone want to live to be a hundred years old, and the Jews to 120? )))

[g1washntwn]

It's nice to talk to smart and understanding people :)

[Pimply]

Quote: Krasnodar

I am more surprised by the price - the business Falcon costs about 27 million bucks - the same one is crammed with electronics for the most I don’t want and the price of 20% is cheaper with some percent)).

this is the cost without filling

[Krasnodar]

That is, the same business jet without electronics and interior decoration? Well, I wish all the forum users that they could afford such an airplane after the interior decoration (seats, sofas, bar) on lam tanks! )))

[Sancho_SP]

I think that the matter is a light radar. So we have our own Yak-40 \ 42 in bulk. Only here, the largest Soviet microcircuits in the world, apparently, do not fit there.

[Zaurbek]

And whose engines for them? And how many of these planes.?

[Sancho_SP]

Given the need for such aircraft at the level of a maximum of 2-3 dozen pieces - the engine can be anything.

[Zaurbek]

For instance? And why 2-3? You will be blocked from delivering turbojet engines to the country ... as soon as you do.

[Sancho_SP]

Because I'm an optimist, so 20-30 pieces)

SaM146 what do you dislike? Rename it to PD-7 if you are afraid of sanctions.

[Zaurbek]

Nevertheless, when they were about to transfer the MO to the SCL for the flights of whom, they postponed this venture. Until the next stage of localization.

[Sancho_SP]

Well, persuaded, let it be on the basis of IL-112 until their engine is finished)

[Saboteur Holuy]

And now at this time, what are the existing IDFs at the IDF? Hokkai used to be, is it now?

[Zaurbek]

Hockey will probably be more expensive. Ship based leaves its mark on the price of the product.

[Saboteur Holuy]

I don’t know about the price, but in 1983-84 they corrected their Air Force great, especially over the Bekea Valley ... there they bombed everything that could be done, the damage was colossal ... at that time, the IDF Air Force with the help of Hokkai skillfully promoted the Duma of the USSR air defense system. ..

[Zaurbek]

Hokkai used to be one in its weight .... now Israel, the Swedes are doing a lot of drills based on business websites.

[voyaka uh]

Here's an Israeli Golfstream-based AWAC for comparison. Radars are built into the fuselage on the sides.
In the front and in the back.

[Saboteur Holuy]

This is different, this one is apparently more efficient and therefore more expensive ...

[Botanist]

Quote: Krasnodar

I am more surprised by the price - the business Falcon costs about 27 million bucks - the same one is crammed with electronics for the most I don’t want and the price of 20% is cheaper with some percent)).

The catalog price for the donor is given. How much is the filling - the question is ...

[Zaurbek]

Embrair already enters the Boeing. By the way.

[Botanist]

Quote: Zaurbek

Embrair already enters the Boeing. By the way.
Reply

Not really ...
The joint venture with Boeing (80%) will include only a line of civilian aircraft.
Embraer’s defense and business aviation business, as well as business jet and military service programs, will operate as an autonomous public company.

[knn54]

India has an Il-76 with Israeli equipment. It has its own development based on a Brazilian aircraft. Given the shortage (at least) of 7-8 AWACS, Israel and Brazil have a chance to sell a joint development to India. Well, then we'll see.

[yehat]

Quote: Krasnodar

Too cheap for mericatonic components

Americans at quite normal price tags produce many components
price tags take off when they try to collect it all. For example, Apple, iPhone or F-16.

[yehat]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here's an Israeli Golfstream-based AWAC for comparison. Radars are built into the fuselage on the sides.
In the front and in the back.

Why is Israel so many AWACS aircraft, if they are usually threatened by a maximum of ancient F-5s?

[voyaka uh]

One must see everything that flies around. And then to understand what is threatening and what is not.

[yehat]

yes you have 1 radar on gollan already sees everything.

[yehat]

Quote: g1washntwn

Quote: yehat

For example, such a plane could be useful to Iran.

If he is at the right time is able to see the desired type of aircraft, for example F-35I.

you are too tense. relax.
people have goals much easier. For example, to see something at all.
Here is some Nepal - what for it to see f-35 to see? He would have to find cornmen!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: yehat

Here is some Nepal

And you are not far from the truth, Vietnam is buying.

[yehat]

Vietnam is a militarily serious country. This is far from Nepal.
I think he is stronger in the army than Pakistan.

[g1washntwn]

Yes, I just don’t bother (even on a personal holivar of minusers).
Tensions between Israel and Iran, which you cited as an example of a buyer.

[Kurare]

When the A-50 or E3 AWACS concepts were created, the element base was at a completely different level, and new platforms appeared. The recent news of the launch of the new A-23ELR with a flight range of 321 km (8700 hours in the air) since the 10rd year is something that only "truckers" could do 20 years ago. So, the correct concept.

MC21, as a platform, is not yet ready. But Tu-shki (214) must be used for these purposes!

[yehat]

Quote: rocket757

Well, if it becomes a lesson to our descendants

our descendants do not study history.

[yehat]

Quote: Kurare

But Tu-shki (214) must be used for these purposes!

why reactive?
screw ones can hang longer

[Zaurbek]

And what do we have screw in the same weight as Tu204 and MC21?

[yehat]

silt 38 and it seems to him they are also preparing a replacement screw

[Zaurbek]

I haven’t heard ... and they are unlikely to do special aircraft other than civilians. Budgets are not the same

[Timon2155]

Apparently, the screws somewhat interfere with the operation of the radar.

[yehat]

this is partly true, the vibration from the screws is greater, but the long-term operation of similar machines says that
screws - this is approx.

[Timon2155]

Then why they are not used in new developments?

[yehat]

because the goal is not only to hang, and the latest versions of turbojet engines began to approach propeller engines in terms of efficiency.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Timon2155

Apparently, the screws somewhat interfere with the operation of the radar.

That is unlikely.

[gregor6549]

Israel again made a model of military equipment, which can be proud of. And the main thing here is not the platform, i.e. aircraft carrier, and its electronic filling (radar, data transmission systems, etc.), as well as hardware and software. After all, with such dimensions of the aircraft, many operators cannot be pushed into the cockpit, and therefore it is necessary to shift part of the tasks being solved by operators on large AWACS to the processing systems of the original radar data source.
Having some experience in developing such systems, I can say that such a task is very, very difficult, and if the Israelis managed to solve it, then it is their honor and praise.
It should be noted that in the development of military radio electronics and software, Israel has long occupied one of the leading places in the world and even ahead of the United States in this area. Moreover, this radio electronics and software are regularly tested in combat conditions, where empty advertising is very quickly eliminated. Therefore, many technologically advanced countries, including the United States, are not at all opposed to buying Israeli high-tech products. Would buy even more if a lot of transactions with Israel were not blocked by nationalist prejudices.
Russia, too, would not be at all prevented from expanding business ties with Israel, at least in order to raise the technological level of its industry.
JV Stalin, for example, at one time did not disdain to buy or copy technologies and finished products even from his potential opponents, and no one disputed or disputed the benefits of such purchases.
You can give an example with the VAZ, the purchase of which had a very positive effect on the technological level not only of the automobile, but also of the aviation and other types of industry of the USSR.
And Israel does not seem to be on the list of potential opponents of Russia today. Yes, his interests sometimes intersect with the interests of Israel, but they intersect, which is important, far from Russia and there is no particular harm to Russia from this, with the exception of some incidents. And in those incidents, Israel's guilt is sewn with white threads, more calculated to shift the arrows from the true perpetrators of the incidents to the "malicious Jews." Well, the Russian people habitually hawala this sewing, not really thinking. Like, once "above" said so, then it was so.

[Saboteur Holuy]

Russia, there are about five, and you need to buy these. And in general, try to negotiate with Israel and pay them well for the fact that they equipped our IL-76

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

try to negotiate with Israel and pay them well for what they equipped our IL-76

And then, what would these developments have "beloved neighbors" suddenly surfaced.

[Saboteur Holuy]

These are bikes, now this doesn’t work anymore, except maybe for power engineers, so you don’t have to get shots

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

These are bikes, now this does not roll anymore

I always write only real facts.
From the statement of the Israeli Prime Minister:
“I have disagreements with President Putin, and I am speaking about it bluntly. But I don’t want to blame Russia, which should not be blamed. Russia does not transfer weapons to Hezbollah. They handed over weapons to the Syrian army, and the Syrian army is already transferring these weapons at the direction of Iran. Soviet and Russian-made weapons fall into the hands of Hezbollah from Syrian military depots. Israel is making every effort to shut off Hezbollah's weapons in Syria. "
Former head of the National Security Council of Israel and former defense adviser to Benjamin Netanyahu, Major General Jacob Amidror said:
“Russian weapons, the most modern ones, are already in the hands of Hezbollah. Advanced weapons systems are being sold by the Russian Syrians. They are transferring them to Hezbollah. According to foreign media reports, some of these weapons were intercepted in transit from Syria to Lebanon.
Amidror said that Yakhont missiles were handed over to Hezbollah, with the help of which offshore gas installations can be attacked and the ports of Haifa and Ashdod paralyzed.
As you know, this is far from all.

[gregor6549]

American AWACS and Russian A50s have an Achilles' heel. This is a support bearing for the rotation of the radar antenna. This bearing is very sensitive to the ambient temperature and at low temperatures (I don't remember the numbers) it cannot provide the nominal rotation speed of the antenna. Those. say instead of 6 rpm can only provide 3 rpm ,. And this is a decrease in the rate of issuing radar images to the radar image processing system and a corresponding deterioration in the performance characteristics of this system. In the Israeli and Swedish AWACS and U aircraft, fixed antennas with AFAR are used, which do not have this problem. The presence of small blind zones of view that are not provided by such antennas is compensated either by the tactics of use or by installing additional antennas. Well, you need to take into account the fact that "Russian integrated circuits are the most large integrated circuits in the world" and even these circuits are in short supply. the percentage of output of finished integrated circuits and other semiconductor devices, i.e. corresponding to TU and GOST in the radio-electronic industry of the USSR and now Russia was and is very low. Sometimes it got to the point that the same semiconductor devices were passed through the OTK several times to create the appearance of a successful implementation of the plan. Of course, something in terms of components is compensated for by their purchases in China, but the quality of these components is a big question. And not only the quality, but also more than a high probability of the presence of "harmful" bugs in the components.

[Dzafdet]

And we can’t make something similar on the basis of IL-112 or TU-334?

[Altai72]

The Yak-44 project must be renewed.

[APASUS]

Who will give guarantees that in a real combat situation such a system will work, and it will not be disconnected by Israeli partners, at the request of comrades from the Pentagon?

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

Maybe we to A-100 / 50U something the same economy class to create?

Such a plane would certainly not be superfluous. Unfortunately, the termination of the construction of aircraft carriers in the USSR (of the Ulyanovsk type with catapult takeoff) put an end to the creation of our analogue of the American Hawkeye. Yak-44 died without being born. And for sushi, it would not be superfluous either. Instead of driving A-50 / A-100 for hundreds or thousands of kilometers, it would be easy to deploy such small AWACS aircraft in each of the districts

Quote: Cowbra

Why should the border guards? I don’t take sailors. And for those who are on foot - they rather need drones with cameras, do they don’t detect DRLO with drugs?
Everyone else needs something more powerful - the more powerful, the farther away from the border they will spot a potential attack on the country. And if you hear the Kyrgyz Republic, for example, 100 km from the border ... Consider that you did not hear at all.

But the "big" ones are based exclusively in one place. And I had to drive A-50s from the Volga region to the Caucasus during the war 080808.
The detection ranges of "small" AWACS are not much inferior to the detection ranges of "large" ones. For the same American Hawkeye, the detection range of bombers reaches 600 km. And what is cheaper and more reliable. To drive in eights one A-50 over the same Caucasian mountains or to lift 3-4 Hawkai / Yak-44 machines into the air?

Quote: Zaurbek

Easier on the basis of IL 112/114 .. Yak more projection than aircraft. The closest to the serial version was An72 with a mushroom on the tail.

It is possible on Ilah. And the AN-71 is also history ...

Quote: yehat

in Ukraine, the AN-71 remained, but they did not manage to release it in significant series.

Released THREE pieces

Quote: Violent

Obviously a tricky little plane from the Jews, it’s luring you for cheapness .. I wouldn’t buy it, the devil knows what is hidden in it ..

And nobody sells it to you, comrade This is a principle. Not always and not for all, we need AWACS based on the same IL-76 / 476. Smaller machines are also needed. Maybe even 2-3 sizes