Gazprom confirms readiness to supply gas to Ukraine at a discount

There is no limit to the breadth of mental government of the Russian company Gazprom. True, the spiritual breadth is revealed at the moment when it comes for some reason, not about the domestic gas consumer in the Russian Federation, but about a foreign partner.

According to Alexey Miller, the company is ready to give Ukraine discounts on gas supplies from Russia. Miller, who held a regular meeting with Viktor Medvedchuk and Yuriy Boyko (both are from Ukraine), quotes TASS:

We are ready to begin negotiations on the preparation of an agreement on the supply of Russian gas, which would ensure the price level at 25% lower for the final consumer than it is at present.

A new meeting with Ukrainian politicians at Gazprom’s Chairman Alexei Miller was held at the SPIEF (St. Petersburg International Economic Forum).

According to Alexey Miller, the conclusion of a contract with Ukraine for the supply of gas to this country is "more important than a transit contract."

Miller noted the “enthusiasm and perseverance” of representatives of the Ukrainian political opposition platform “For Life”, headed by Yuriy Boyko.

At the same time, Miller did not specify on what grounds the company’s management is actually going to give discounts to the Ukrainian side. Or is there some kind of reciprocal positive movement from that side - in the interests of the Russian population?

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

The author of the article went bile, but if you analyze the quote, then we are talking about the fact that the "Slovak surcharge" is eliminated in the delivery scheme, and nothing more. So Gazprom (and Russian taxes) have not seen it anyway

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Russia offers Ukraine not to take reverse gas, Europe winds up this 25% for Ukraine. Russia offers to take directly from Russia, which is 25% lower than if it takes from Europe ... Ukraine's underground gas storage facilities are located in the west and east of the country. The western ones mainly serve for the uninterrupted supply of gas abroad, and the eastern ones - for Ukraine itself, because it is there that its main production facilities are located. How are the eastern UGS facilities being filled now, if, according to Kiev, it does not buy gas from Russia, but uses the "reverse" gas allegedly purchased in Europe? It's very simple - Kiev takes gas from the transit pipe, and then, by agreement with Western resellers, only the exchange of documents takes place, and not the actual pumping of gas back. Why is Kiev clinging to its pipe with all its might after 2019 ?! If the supply of Russian gas is cut off, it will not only be left without $ 3 billion for annual transit through its territory, but also without gas in the eastern underground storage facilities. And then no pseudo-reverse will work - gas will have to be pumped into these UGS facilities through the whole of Ukraine from the west, which means a collapse.

[Graz]

in general, there was a conversation about the energy blockade of this country on our part, how gas discounts can be coordinated with this, I don’t understand

[777-3-59-97]

how gas discounts can be consistent with this, I don’t understand

In the same way, they agree to drain the S-400 technologies to the Turks after the downed SU, to finance the "banned on the territory of the Russian Federation" and trade in oil with the militants.

[For example]

True, spiritual latitude is revealed at the moment when it comes to some reason not about the internal gas consumer

The author is engaged in populism.
Gas in Russia is no more expensive for domestic consumers than for foreigners.
Prices for domestic consumption are definitely lower.
No need to lie from scratch.
And so the shit around is enough.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: For example

Prices for domestic consumption are definitely lower.

Do not worry, by the end of 2024, they will be equal to the world.

[The black]

GANBA! I only need American gas for the Sumerians !!!! Because he smells of great democracy !!!!!!

[volodimer]

Like Trump said ... American gas is the Molecule of Democracy!
Such statements are reminiscent of the classics: "Nothing personal, just business ..." Enrages.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Mordvin 3

by the end of 2024 they will be equal to the world.

this is your assumption ....

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: NEOZ

this is your assumption ....

This is not an assumption, but with great probability the future result of last year’s decree of Putin on the tax maneuver, according to which the customs duties on oil will be completely nullified by the end of 2024. Reduction of duties has already begun, and zeroing will occur gradually. And since the price of gas is tied to the price of oil, the companies will not care who sell the oil to gas, to us, or abroad. About electricity do not know. These are the cakes, Lawrence Palych. That's why the father resents. It loses profits, and this is contrary to the basic rule of the EAEU, which states that the economies of the allied states will not fall, since the duties work on the border of the EAEU. You can read here, if interested.
https://ria.ru/20180804/1525931496.html
And draw your own conclusions.

[Felix]

Quote: Mordvin 3

and with great probability the future result of Putin’s decree on a tax maneuver last year, according to which customs duties on oil by the end of 2024, will be completely reset.

uh ... but about quotas did not say anything? If Gazprom is obliged to sell at least 55% of gas produced in Russia, this could cause a decrease in the wholesale prices of interest on 20, wouldn't it?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Felix

uh ... but about quotas did not say anything? If Gazprom is obliged to sell at least 55% of gas produced in Russia, this could cause a decrease in the wholesale prices of interest on 20, wouldn't it?

I doubt it. It’s just easier for them to reduce their prey. Of course, I am not a great economist, but in my opinion the likelihood of equalizing prices with the world market is enormous. However, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

So, this year the export duty rate will decrease from 30 to 25 percent. As a result, the cost of raw materials in the domestic market should begin to align with the price of the external market, that is, go up. At the same time, the "customs subsidy" will begin to decline.

https://rg.ru/2019/01/01/nachali-snizhatsia-eksportnye-poshliny-na-neft.html
And the cost of gas is calculated by the formula of the cost of oil, as far as I know. Now the cost of oil is low, and in my opinion, this factor alone does not allow a sharp rise in the price of gasoline. However, the reduction of duties on 5% per year is rather smooth, and not so noticeable. By the way, the alignment of energy prices to the world level is one of the requirements of the WTO, where we were so eager.

[Felix]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It will simply be easier for them to reduce production.

Reduce profits ??? Shareholders will not understand!
In my opinion, quotas are a much more correct and fair mechanism from the point of view of the consumer of the domestic market, and moreover, this mechanism worked in Russia - though only on oil. And yet, yes, the reduction in duties is fully compensated by the increase in mineral extraction tax, but at the same time, the difference in profit from sales to the domestic market in relation to exports is reduced, which means selling to the domestic market will be at least a little, but more profitable.

Quote: Mordvin 3

And the cost of gas is calculated by the formula of the cost of oil, as far as I know.

Quite right, only the mineral extraction tax and the duty are not involved in the calculation - they are just the exchange price, which means that the abolition of oil duties will not affect the gas price.
And the price of oil affects the cost of gasoline to a much lesser extent than excise taxes and taxes. The thing is that oil is supplied to the domestic market at a completely different price than for export. I do not remember the exact figure, but in my opinion only something about 20% of the cost of gasoline is made up of the price of raw materials. That is, the high price of gasoline domestically is more due to the greed of raw materials sellers, processors and wholesale speculators.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Felix

Reduce profits ??? Shareholders will not understand!

Let's go from the other end. Let's assume that 55 million cubic meters are required for all domestic gas needs in the country. (The figures there are different, in hundreds of billions, but I am now setting out theoretically) So Gazprom has the right to sell 45 million cubic meters abroad. However, foreign partners demand 90 million. In this case, Gazprom will need to sell 110 million cubic meters in Russia. Do you catch the thought? Gazprom simply will not be able to do this, because Russia does not need such a quantity of gas. In this case, what will our "National Property" do? That's right, to demand that quotas be halved. And they will meet him, I am 100% sure of that. And they do not take quotas from the ceiling, everything is calculated and calculated. And the shareholders will only be happy, because selling gas for hard currency is much better than for our wooden ones, which is confirmed by the contract with Ukraine. They don't give a damn about moral principles.

[Felix]

Quote: Mordvin 3

However, foreign partners demand 90 million.

I mean require? There is a contract, the volumes are there, and deviations in any direction are usually a fine.
And non-delivery to the domestic market of the required volume is also a fine.
You see, gas is fuel only in the second place, in the first place it is raw material for the chemical industry. And do you really think that someone there will allow to sacrifice several others for the sake of increasing profits from one company?
I do not think.
Among other things, no one is stopping Gazprom from increasing production - there are proven reserves and there are also preserved fields.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Felix

Among other things, no one bothers Gazprom to increase production -

I am writing about stupid manipulation of percentages with numbers. If partners tomorrow ask for gas twice as much, then 55% of quotas for sale in Russia will have to be redone to 27,5%. That's all. It is like:

Quote: Mordvin 3

So, this year the export duty rate will fall from 30 to 25 percent.

In fact, the reduction of duties per year - 16,6%.

[Felix]

Quote: Mordvin 3

If partners ask for twice as much gas tomorrow, then 55% of the quotas for sales in Russia will have to be redone at 27,5%. That's all. It is like:

No))). They will not ask, because international trade is not a kindergarten, and any change in volumes (if this is not force majeure) simply by a whim is impossible. And the partners are well aware of this.

Quote: Mordvin 3

So, this year the export duty rate will fall from 30 to 25 percent.
In fact, the reduction of duties per year - 16,6%.

uh ... so these (30-25) from 30%, aren't they equal to 16,6% ??? This is simple math!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Felix

uh ... so these (30-25) from 30%, aren't they equal to 16,6% ??? This is simple math!

30% is the price of customs duty on the cost of oil. And if you take a pure duty without the cost of oil, then it automatically turns into 100%. 100 is divided by the number of years during which this duty will be reset to zero (6), we get 16,6%. That's the whole mathematics of powdering the brain. That is, for example, Bellorussky Old Man each year will be deprived of 16,6 profit. And if it is even simpler, then by the end of 24, we will get the cost of raw materials in the domestic market by 30% more than we had before the introduction of a decree on this maneuver. With these percentages, you can turn to any direction, showing how profitable it is. And about the increase in supply, so I am writing about the planned increase, upon request, and not as a result of force majeure.

[Felix]

No dusting, all right.

Quote: Mordvin 3

And if it’s even simpler, by the end of 24 years we will get the cost of raw materials in the domestic market by 30% more than we had before the decree on this maneuver.

But, tell me graciously, why the reduction in export duties will lead to an increase in the domestic price, which is formed very differently ???

Quote: Mordvin 3

So I write about the planned increase, according to requests, and not as a result of force majeure.

AND? Do you understand the mechanism of quotas? An organization exporting something does not have the right to sell to the foreign market more than prescribed.
Well, they want to increase exports - a flag in their hands, but please be kind enough to sell the prescribed share in the domestic market, respectively also increased. No other way.

[Mordvin 3]

Yes, because the internal price and is formed by fees. Imported - support our producers, forcing foreign producers to sell their goods at inflated prices, exported - for our consumers, forcing exporters to sell our consumers at reduced prices. When resetting duties prices are aligned. Study yourself, you can’t tell us in two words, but I’m tired of this topic already. They will sell the prescribed share only at the same price with the external market, although the government left the right to contain prices in order to avoid sharp jumps, as I understood. And so we are fulfilling the requirements of the WTO, that they would be empty and those who dragged us there. We don’t have India or California, where you don’t have to pay for heating. I worked for a bourgeois where there was no heating in the workshop at all. In short, I don't want to write here anymore, I'm sick of it. I studied economics in the USSR and even then I barely remember anything from it, and I can’t stand this market spirit. Already got all burzhuiny.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Felix

Well, they want to increase exports - a flag in their hands, but please be kind enough to sell the prescribed share in the domestic market, respectively also increased. No other way.

It won't work like that. Internal consumption and external consumption do not correlate with each other in terms of volumes. The "partners" will want 1.5 times more gas, and who in the Russian Federation will sell additional volumes ??? The quota for the domestic market will be reduced accordingly. In theory, it turns out beautifully: more abroad, respectively, more in the Russian Federation, in the Russian Federation the market is oversaturated, the price falls ... and the more over the hill, the cheaper in the Russian Federation and everyone is happy. But reality suggests otherwise ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Mordvin 3

and with great probability the future result

this is an assumption !!!!

Quote: Mordvin 3

then it will not matter to companies who sell oil and gas to us, or over a hill.

I do not know a single oil producing country where gas prices are equal to European !!!! none!!!!
I accept European prices subject to a European standard of living !!!

[Town Hall]

Quote: NEOZ

I do not know a single oil producing country where gas prices are equal to European !!!! none!!!!

Fuel Price Chart in Europe
Country Petrol 95 Diesel
Moldova 0.96 EUR 0.86 EUR
Netherlands 1.80 EUR 1.45 EUR
Norway 1.76 EUR 1.62 EUR
Poland 1.23 EUR 1.22 EUR

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Do not worry, by the end of 2024 they will be equal to the world

Do you have reliable information on this matter, or is it another "cry of Yaroslavna"?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

is this another "cry of Yaroslavna"?

Is logic difficult to turn on?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Is logic difficult to turn on?

I, unlike you, am not an analyst. I am interested in the bare facts. What logical reasoning led you to such conclusions?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

I, unlike you, am not an analyst. I am interested in the bare facts. What logical reasoning led you to such conclusions?

Above all painted, after the commentary of Lawrence Palych. Is it really difficult to rewind and look? There is one indisputable fact - the gradual resetting of customs duties on oil, which will end at 2024, the decree of which was signed that year. Everything else is pure logical construction. So 5-6 will have to wait.

[Same lech]

Oh, don’t say what and why this full pants ...

The statement by the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, that the US administration, with the help of sanctions, actually gained control over Rusal and some branches of the Russian metallurgy, contains no contradictions. This was announced to TASS by the press secretary of the company Mikhail Leontiev

You can also look at Gazprom’s affairs ... money doesn’t smell ... the slogan of the oligarchs of all countries has become relevant.

[RUSS]

Quote: For example

The author is engaged in populism.
Gas in Russia is no more expensive for domestic consumers than for foreigners.

Half of Russia in the village is heated with wood, what gas?

[Grits]

Quote: For example

Gas in Russia is no more expensive for domestic consumers than for foreigners.

In the Far East, a standard gas cylinder for a population costs 1100 rubles. You can translate the volumes yourself and calculate the cost. Then compare with the cost of what is shipped abroad.

[su25]

Suppose that up to a large part of Russian consumers it is not necessary to drive gas through the semi-material - and this is already a saving. But which of the Russians offered gas at a discount?

[Greg Miller]

Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs are brothers forever! Their joint gesheft can not be washed away by any blood of Russian residents of Donbass ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Graz

actually there was talk about the energy blockade of this country on our part, how can gas discounts be reconciled with this, I do not understand

At the same time, Miller did not specify on what grounds the company’s management is actually going to give discounts to the Ukrainian side. Or is there some kind of reciprocal positive movement from that side - in the interests of the Russian population?

I would like to know from the competent public, is Miller considered an effective manager for such an activity? Or is the part of Russia that collects dead wood already supplied with gas? Maybe this is a friendly step for putting water into the North Crimean Canal? Have the detained fishing vessels been given away? Or were the arrested Russian citizens released? Or did they admit their guilt in shooting down the Boeing? Probably the monument to Zhukov was restored or the Sberbank windows were sealed?
WHAT HAPPENED ??? WHAT NEARBY ???

[Amicus veritas]

Yes, nothing brought together! Regular political maneuvers with people without real power. No, well, seriously! Would you discuss and take seriously the news that Pompeo promised Navalny to lift sanctions from Russia ??

[New Year day]

Quote: ROSS 42

WHAT HAPPENED ??? WHAT NEARBY ???

joint cutting of dibs! It was under Chernomyrdin, it was always it will always be. War and fascism in Ukraine are for us. For the elite, nothing happens, they are friends at home and together they saw the loot.
Whoever shouts loudest about patriotism kisses banderlogs.
"Capitalism cannot be patriotic, the more it shouts about patriotism, the less it is a patriot." K. Liebknecht

[freddyk]

Quote: ROSS 42

WHAT HAPPENED ??? WHAT NEARBY ???

The oligarchs are brought together by mutual benefit, and nothing more. But Boeings, Zhukovs to them a bulb, this is for people, and they are doing business.

[Svetlana]

About the energy blockade, there was no talk at the government level. It never happened. It was about restricting supplies and about getting special permission for exporting firms.
And about the blockade they only crack on the box. Persons of the Solovyov type are cracking.

That is, the restriction of supplies and the cost of supplies are quite compatible things.

[I do not care]

like, business and nothing personal, I’ve survived in the dense scoop, these are the principles there, right now only
, and, as it were
https://cont.ws/@douglas/1349681

[Hayer35]

What business is for me? Ukrainians kill Russians and we give them a discount? Either I fell behind or "they" are traitors.

[Awaz]

Ukraine, under the current government, will not agree to buy gas directly from Gazprom, even if it is sold to it for 1 bucks for 1000 cubic meters. Therefore, on the part of Gazprom, it is rather a demonstration of the EU that they do not want the destruction of Ukraine. Whatever one may say, the Stockholm arbitration is shaking Gazprom, and if it is finally decided that it is not in Russia's favor, Western Europe will start to nightmare Gazprom.
The situation here is this: if Naftogaz refuses to sign a contract, they will untie their hands for Gazprom to close the transit of gas through Ukraine. If Naftogaz signs a contract, then the case in the Stockholm arbitration becomes meaningless and Ukraine will have to withdraw all its claims against Gazprom, and, apparently, pay for all those debts that have accumulated.
Moreover, again about the EU. All this should stimulate the EU to speed up work on SP 2 and stop any insinuations on this topic, or the EU should put pressure on Ukraine to maintain gas transit through this territory.
Well, here is my opinion. Although there may slightly be some other aspects, but basically it is all about this.
Gazprom puts pressure on the greed of the owners of Naftogaz, because with such a discount they can easily put in their own pocket, estimated from $ 500 million to $ 1 billion a year.

[The popuas]

Degreased the people, that on the other side, that on this side! for the Russian world, the Russians kill the Russians .... violent laid, who could do something! Now you can turn things further

[The popuas]

Degreased the people, that on the other side, that on this side! for the Russian world, the Russians kill the Russians .... violent laid, who could do something! Now you can turn things further

[major147]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

gas will need to be actually pumped into these underground storage facilities across Ukraine from the west

Today it is technically impossible, and there is no money for reconstruction. Regarding gas supplies, the president promised his European "partners" that gas would go to Ukraine if it would be economically profitable. So Russia has taken its step, and if "our Ukrainian partners" refuse, (and most likely it will be) then this is already their problem.

[major147]

Why is Gazprom tossing beads?
“Most likely, he makes this statement not for Ukrainians, but for the European side. Gazprom demonstrates that Russia does not want to economically kill Ukraine, which some Europeans reproach us with.
On the contrary, look, we give a 25% discount, but the Ukrainians themselves do not want to sign either a gas supply contract or a gas transit contract. This means that Kiev is politically motivated, and not Moscow, this Kiev is trying to disrupt the agreements, despite the favorable conditions that Gazprom offers, ”says the expert of the NESF.

[Lena363]

It is advisable to have numbers, not mythical 25%. Gazprom pays $ 30 per 1000 cubic meters of gas for gas transit, and this amount must be deducted from the European gas price. If you take into account the transit fee, then the European price may be cheaper, World Cup directly from Gazprom. For some reason, Gazprom always avoids accounting for gas transit fees.

[kepmor]

Miller sang to you personally about the "Slovak allowance" ??? ...
hit on one cheek - turn the other ... with such a policy to "friends" forever in the role of the guilty and we will ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: kepmor

Miller sang to you personally about the "Slovak allowance" ??? ...

I didn’t see that our deliveries will be a quarter cheaper. It says that if there are direct deliveries from Russia, then gas will become a quarter cheaper for end consumers. But this is logical, because Now Ukrainians have much more expensive gas in curve supplies. Read carefully. All these proposals are focused on parliamentary elections ...

[Brturin]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

All these proposals are focused on parliamentary elections.

Everything was clear with mathematics here - According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine in 2018, Ukraine imported 10 388,205 million cubic meters. m of natural gas, the average price is $ 300,5 per thousand cubic meters. m. The average cost of Gazprom’s export gas in 2018 amounted to $ 222,8 per thousand cubic meters (according to the FCS) - so that where 25% came from (300 and 225 difference) is understandable, but there are doubts about the parliamentary elections that this party will have a strong influence on politics .... for me it’s more like a game to the west, they require preserving transit, our leadership seems to be making proposals ... here you can remember Medvedev’s recent statement ... how to end, not wait a very long time, let's see ...

[major147]

Quote: BrTurin

how to end, wait not so long, we'll see ...

Today Kobelev categorically refuses ... (dill)

[New Year day]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

All these proposals are focused on parliamentary elections ...

Julia has no money? Boyko is one of the organizers of the Maidan, as a result of which Ukraine has become an enemy of our country. Now Russia is organizing preferences for this brow, ostensibly to win the parliamentary elections.
For 30 years, everyone took preferences and all together rushed to the West. Will explode and smartly. Russia will not have anything from this.

[volodimer]

All of them "sitting at the trough" even if they make a knixen towards Russia, it is only out of the desire to get personal benefit. And our mummies immediately try to pass it off as a curtsey and the success of our work there ... But in fact it is a conspiracy of the "elites" to rob the people of ours and the military.

[Den717]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The author of the descent article went bile,

It's just that the author has never played games more difficult than a "throw-in d ... ka". Those who are familiar with chess know that they cannot win a game without losing their pieces. And here the game is more difficult ...

[kepmor]

nothing complicated ... if the Kremlin thinks that with their generosity they will help smartly with Medvedchuk to collect more mandates in the parliament and get into the government, then this is complete nonsense ...

[New Year day]

Quote: kepmor

.if the Kremlin thinks that with their generosity they will help smartly with Medvedchuk to collect more mandates in the parliament and get into the government, then this is sheer stupidity ...

rightly said, only the Kremlin’s advisers are bad. Medvedchuk said that Poroshenko would defeat, and Ze defeated. Now Medvedchuk has brought Boyko, and Boyko will not gain mandates in the Rada. And they’ll cut the money together.

[Den717]

Quote: Silvestr

And they’ll cut the money together.

What money do you make them? Virtual?

[Den717]

Quote: kepmor

if in the Kremlin they think that with their generosity they will help smartly with Medvedchuk to collect more seats in the parliament and get into the government, then this is sheer stupidity ...

Have you run election campaigns? Look at the dynamics of the Boyko rating before the first round of elections. He began with 8,4 in early March, after a meeting with Medvedev 11,68. So much for stupidity. Growth is small, but it is. And then, an agreement of intent is not yet generosity, but the conditions binding on that side.

[demo]

One minette, dear Den717 (Den).
Suppose we sell gas to Europe at the same price.
Suppose Ukrainians take our gas under the guise of Slovak at a price of 25% more than ours.
What is the benefit to us, if earlier we received stable payment, from Slovaks, to switch to a problematic buyer, and even for less money?
About the flip-flop ... you famously screwed. Have you tried the giveaway?

[Den717]

Quote: demo

About the flip-flop ... you famously screwed. Have you tried the giveaway?

But didn’t you think that all this is an election program in the interests of the Boyko party? Do you think some Biletsky-Yarosh will come, and it will be better for us to live next door with them?

[Kronos]

A party that gains a small amount of interest and which does not shine in any case is a profitable investment

[Den717]

Quote: Kronos

The party which is gaining a small amount of interest

Firstly, she shares the 2nd and 3rd place in the ratings with the former BPP, and secondly, if she loses, no contracts will be signed, because contracts are signed not by deputies, but by members of the government, and it will be collected by the ruling coalition of parliament. Today this is just an announcement for voters, nothing more. Is there a kindergarten on the road? You don’t "read" the simplest technologies ?!

[major147]

Quote: Kronos

A party that gains a small amount of interest and which does not shine in any case is a profitable investment

This is likely to hit the next election.

[demo]

Do you believe in those you write about?
I ask you - take care of people’s nerves.
Do not be so naive.
The diagnosis - brain Ukrainization has permeated the entire Square.
Healing may never come.
Only trepanation and amputation.
Though Boyko, even Medvedchuk, even Biletsky-Yarosh.
The same damage to the central nervous system responsible for glimpses of conscience.
They are all the same.
Only one disguises itself for profit, and the other sticks out for profit.
Let's finish.
Begins to get nauseous.

[Den717]

Quote: demo

Do you believe in those you write about?

No need to believe, it is necessary to try to influence the situation. Or are you hoping to send Ukraine to the moon?

Quote: demo

Only trepanation and amputation.

Offer to fight? Are you ready for this, or have you been tortured?

Quote: demo

Starting to get nauseous

Read Murzilka, you can see early to watch TV without adults

[demo]

I'll start from the end.
It's time for me to watch TV with adults.
With people like you.
Who will try to explain the essence of what is painted in Murzilka.
This is the first.
Fight with whom?
With Ukraine? With Bandera? With APU?
Not with those, nor with those, nor with those.
Until the APU clashes with Bandera, and the Ukrainians do not finish off the winners, we don’t care about them.
Let them even cut themselves off. Only there were no questions for us.
Ukraine on the moon will not be accepted.
Already taken.
Only to the forefathers.
Well, at the expense of influencing the situation!
I directly and don’t know with whom I’m talking!
Not recognized!
Is that you, Vladimir Vladimirovich?
Sorry.
Good night to you.

[Den717]

Quote: demo

Fight with whom?
With Ukraine? With Bandera? With APU?
Not with those, nor with those, nor with those.

Wonderful. But this, I think you suggested?

Healing may never come.
Only trepanation and amputation.

Then translate from medical to Russian. For me it sounds like a desire for physical intervention. And in your opinion how?

Quote: demo

Let them even cut themselves off. Only there were no questions for us.

They, in fact, are being cut now. We are almost not there, but questions are being asked to no one else. These are realities. Can't you see them? Of course, you can do nothing, shut yourself off with a wall, visas, wait for them to reach a real humanitarian catastrophe there. What next? Although the same Gazprom contracts that do not end with the end of the year, how to fulfill them? And that too is our budget. Here, for the retirement of liquid manure, most of it was vomited; what sources do you want to replenish with the PFR? Nothing has happened yet, no obligations have been taken, and you have already given up on all attempts. Have you offered anything real, other than amputation with trepanation? Only, as you can see, they themselves did not understand how it should look. Here and Murzilka too early ....

[demo]

When asking a question, you need to wait for an answer to it.
If no answer was given during the digestible period of time, conclusions can be drawn.
But to ask a question, and to answer it yourself, as you think, not me, and to pass off as my answer is not constructive.
And I gently, not knowing you, answered.
And he could have been more rude.

I will move on to the answers, to "my answers".
I will translate from "medical to Russian".
Trepanation with amputation is a peculiar form of speech, implying the futility of another treatment.
After such a surgical intervention, the patient is either sent for "disassembly" or as a whole to the cemetery.
Despite my philanthropy and Christian humility, nothing else comes to my mind.
Forgive me the sinner Almighty.
We figured it out.
There are diseases that humanity has not learned not only what to treat, but even to predict.
Even the causes of these diseases, no one can clearly name.
One of these is Nazism, in any form.
Nazism of the Anglo-Saxons in relation to the Indians, to the indigenous inhabitants of North America.
Nazism of the Portuguese and Spaniards towards residents of South and Central America.
Nazism of Germans towards Russians and Jews, \ and with them to Gypsies, Belarusians, Ukrainians, etc.
And at the end of this long list is our sister, Ukraine.
Her Nazism is irrational.
If all of the above have political or economic prerequisites, then here is a special case.
Clinical. And inexplicable.
Sixty years in the USSR were not able to break the backbone of the Ukrainian small-town Nazism.
And in the current environment, we are seeing an interesting picture.
The richest republic, which separated from the USSR, possessed colossal opportunities, had an advanced industry, received in the form of subsidies from us about (and according to some sources more than) 200 billion dollars, suddenly chose the "path to nowhere."
For association with the EU is a path to timelessness.
But Ukraine was not allowed “there”.
They were detained at the stage of "purgatory".
The idea behind the backstage was correct.
To create a battering state that will engage in combat with Russia, inflict sensitive blows on it, bring the internal conflict to fratricidal war (Donbass), lose status territories (Crimea and LDP).
And for the sake of completeness, he will fulfill the most monstrous orders and directions (the death of a Malaysian Boeing over Ukraine) and the ritual burning of people in Odessa.
And this is all against the backdrop of outright idiocy (the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada - Parubiy), the global pulling of everything that can bring at least one hryvnia to your pocket.
Can I not continue?
And then the urge to vomit begins to vomit.
As soon as I hear the word Ukraine or Ukrainian, there is a desire to wash our hands and plug our ears.

And such people living side by side with us, working in Russia and feeding their families in Ukraine, as I perceive?
Of course positive !?
No.
They are for me the same Bandera.
And why not?
And remember when it was finished with these geeks?
By 1950 year.
But all this time, when the troops went west, and Soviet power was only being established, Bandera felt at ease.
And even after the war ended and local law enforcement agencies began to carry out operations to capture or destroy these "heroes", the local population very actively helped them.
Provided food, information, facilities.
They even gave birth to children.
Those. the families that were then, and those that are now, are no different from each other.
Here is my "scanty" logic.
If wrong, then correct.

So what is next? Although the same Gazprom contracts that do not end with the end of the year, how to fulfill them? And that too is our budget. Here, for the retirement of liquid manure, most of it was vomited; from what sources do you deign to replenish the PFR? Nothing has happened yet, no obligations have been taken, and you have already given up on all attempts. Have you offered anything real, other than amputation with trepanation? Only, as you can see, they themselves did not understand how it should look. Here and Murzilka too early ....

If you read what I wrote, then draw conclusions.
Which ones is the question.
But the fact that Ukraine is the main "donor" of our FIU is a great discovery for me.
So now we need to squeeze the tail and endure mockery of our historical memory, listen to Vetrovich’s nonsense, feel the threats of Yarosh, and with a tooth grinding we can see how the WWII veterans are being humiliated, how the monuments are demolished to the famous commanders who deserve to be immortalized.
And a lot of small and large hairpins, needles, pitchforks to the side of the adjacent territory.
And for the FIU?
Then you need to go to Ukraine as a volunteer.
And try to prove it. that they feed our senior citizens.
Those will be surprised.

What should I offer you?
Each does his own to the best of his ability.

And I suggest that you figure out which of us "Murzilka" is a bit early, and who already will not help.
Be healthy, colleague.

[Den717]

Quote: demo

But the fact that Ukraine is the main "donor" of our FIU is a great discovery for me.

The tip of your nose is your horizon. I decipher my thought. Next year, SP-2 will not work. UkrGTS will remain the main route of gas supplies under previously signed agreements by Gazprom. A decrease in gas sales and violation of contracts will hit both Gazprom's capitalization and its contributions to the budget. Did you find Ukraine’s donation in this? Search.

Quote: demo

So now we need to tighten the tail

Judging by your "all the same, nothing will work out" there is only that. But I think a little differently. If there is an opportunity to influence the internal political balance of power among neighbors, then this should be done. The government is demonstrating a "carrot and stick" policy, which seems to me quite reasonable in the current situation. The fact that not the entire population understands this is quite natural. Someone needs to chew it hard.

Quote: demo

Then you need to go to Ukraine as a volunteer.

With where I need to go, I'll figure it out somehow myself, with your "scanty logic" you are not my assistant, and I do not expect your proposals. I will not show you the route from the "ideological" considerations. Do you consider all Ukrainians-Gaster Bandera? Your right, even aliens. Personally, I have not seen brothers in them since the 90s. And this thought does not bother me. In general, I think that emotions in this matter only harm.

[demo]

Ugh you, well you, sticks are bent!
Well, talk to you that pea on the wall!
Where, what government and what is showing?
Where do you live? In which state? In what city?
Do you have any connection with the outside world there?
Or is there, but there is no understanding of what is being done?
Okay.
It is necessary to end such a debate.

I suggest starting from the beginning.
With the formation of commodity-money relations in the country.
I will not refer you to the luminaries of economic science.
I will refer to the immortal work of Mark Twain "Yankees from Connecticut at the court of King Arthur."
Get to know and you will see shining details of understanding how the budget is formed. And from where pensioners receive pensions.
And if you say that the pension fund is empty and you need to take money from taxes on the extraction of natural resources, from excise taxes, from VAT, from customs payments, then I’m very upset.
The FIU has no right to spend money. He must INSERT them. AND INCREASE the money supply. No other right was given to him.
In a NORMAL country, it should be that way.
If we do not, then our country is ABNORMAL.
And to nod that pensioners will become swollen from hunger, and in this regard, you need to substitute your head under the slops from a neighboring hohlostan, then fire me to listen to this enchanting nonsense.
You can not answer.

[Den717]

Quote: demo

And if you say that the pension fund is empty and you need to take money from taxes on the extraction of natural resources, from excise taxes, from VAT, from customs payments, then I’m very upset.

I really didn’t want to answer, but I see that you don’t swim beyond your pocket. Very briefly - the FIU collects about 4 billion pence. deductions, spends on pensions, mat. capital and other statutory payments of about 8, what he lacks, receives from the budget. You can be upset, or you can read a smart book, or articles on this topic. You look, you will stop raving, you will gain a connection with the real world. You have peas, that wall, everything is like in proctology ..... Also, you can not answer. Why from heaven to earth?

[major147]

Quote: demo

They are all the same.

That is yes. But living with them in the neighborhood will have to be better for us if the authorities have a bastard there, but controlled by Russia.

[New Year day]

Quote: Den717

But didn’t you think that all this is an election program in the interests of the Boyko party?

exactly. But Boyko is not able to gain a majority in the Rada. He scored 10% of the vote in Ukraine. How can he score more?

Quote: Den717

Do you think some Biletsky-Yarosh will come,

will come regardless of our desire. This is the trend in Ukraine. Is the "war with Russia" over? Therefore, nationalism will be in trend, either radical or moderate. Boy-loser

[Den717]

Quote: Silvestr

But Boyko is not able to gain a majority in the Rada. He scored 10% of the vote in Ukraine. How can he score more?

And let's wait and see. Pick up? Good. Do not pick up? But perhaps it will delay the votes of the right-wing Natsik.

Quote: Silvestr

Therefore, nationalism will be trendy, that is radical, that is moderate. Smartly loser

Do you propose hiding in a corner and crying bitterly? Everything is lost. What a happiness ?! You don’t have to do anything, because it’s useless! Powerful position !!!

[Den717]

Quote: demo

One little thing

Are you trying to screw it up? Or ask for a "cigar"?

[Antares]

Quote: demo

What is the benefit to us, if earlier we received stable payment, from Slovaks, to switch to a problematic buyer, and even for less money?

volume + money for transit. Selling a large volume of gas to Ukraine is the least leverage for delivery at a lower payment for the same Ukraine and others. The problem with the papers is less, and here is the profit. Do not forget that once Ukraine bought from Gazprom 40 billion and was the largest buyer of gas. Equally and even more than Germany.

[demo]

Have you forgotten this Santa Barbara?
How, on New Year’s, Ukrainians refused to pay.
As a troop in the amount of a battalion flew to Ukraine, the same flew to us.
Then they scattered, again flied.
And then it was joyfully reported that the first 10% went to Gazprom.
And it all started again.
IT'S called PAY !?
Yes, so that you get paid for the goods given.

[Antares]

Quote: demo

Have you forgotten this Santa Barbara?
How, on New Year’s, Ukrainians refused to pay.

gas wars?
No, the division of the National Heritage by suppliers and Ukrainian oligarchs (that is, yours and ours) has always been going on (business of the presidents).
Payments from the population were regularly taken. But Firtashi and Pinchuk didn’t always pay what other partners demanded. But both Russia and Ukraine were exhausted in the mud .. they dragged each ordinary citizen into this showdown, as if an ordinary Ukrainian stole a liter of gas from an ordinary Russian ...

[major147]

Quote: demo

IT'S called PAY !?

Recently, they were delivered on a prepaid basis.

[777-3-59-97]

It's just that the author has never played games more difficult than a "throw-in d ... ka"

I would not be surprised if you and others like you shouted foaming at the mouth that Ukraine should be cut off from gas, but now you have changed your shoes and are defending a "cunning plan".

[Den717]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

I won’t be surprised if you and others like you screaming at the mouth that Ukraine needs to be disconnected from the gas

I say today that the restrictions promised from June 1 must be imposed very harshly. To make it really sensitive. And with Boyko it is necessary to show a possible perspective. In life, only "cunning" plans, well thought-out, work. "tactics of indirect actions". Everything that is straightforward, in the forehead - there is no need to plan - his mouth is open, the saber is bald, the vest is in shreds and into the embrasure ... There is a lot of noise, no sense ... If the latter is closer to you, forward, on a rake

[Alf]

Quote: Den717

It's just that the author has never played games more difficult than a "throw-in d ... ka". Those who are familiar with chess know that they cannot win a game without losing their pieces. And here the game is more difficult ...

Only judging by the results of the "game" our "player" will soon be left without his pieces.

[Valery Valery]

+1
And this is a step towards SP-1

[loki565]

Yes, it's just stuffing and inciting hatred between nations

[demo]

Which nations?
Between those who live in LDNR, providing assistance to Russians and shelling these and other Nazis, APU, Terbats and the like.
I did not even call them Ukrainians.
For if you imagine a beautiful day when it was all over. Peace reigned. After this, not a single normal and conscientious person should call himself a Ukrainian.
Although the Papuan, but not Ukrainian.
So they rinsed this name in the mud, which is a shame for them to call themselves and hide behind.

[210ox]

Medvedchuk and Boyko in Ukraine at the moment no one. Conversations with an empty spot.

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

Medvedchuk and Boyko in Ukraine at the moment no one.

and they will be NO. Political Losers

[Antares]

Quote: Silvestr

and they will be NO. Political Losers

Well, 10% is significant in the first place. Secondly, Medvechuk is valuable as a communication channel between Bankova and Kremlya.
A whole godfather and representative of the Kremlin whose name was so loved by ex. partner and best choice to pronounce.
Unsinkable godfather still sews his business.

[New Year day]

Quote: Antares

Secondly, Medvechuk is valuable as a communication channel between Bankova and Kremlya.

because with Ukraine there is such a situation that the channel is bad.

[Antares]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Antares

Secondly, Medvechuk is valuable as a communication channel between Bankova and Kremlya.

because with Ukraine there is such a situation that the channel is bad.

great channel! Poroshenko is the best choice, dear partner! Investor ..
despite the rhetoric - Poroshenko and the Kremlin played on the same field. Better than Yanukovych.
Poroshenko never allowed to offend the godfather of the one whose name he spoke so generously.

[New Year day]

Quote: Antares

great channel! Poroshenko is the best choice, dear partner! Investor ..

and the presidency profiled.

[Solo2503]

You’re mistaken, actually. It costs something to get 10% in the elections for Khokhlostan. So in the Rada can take 15-20%.

[major147]

Quote: 210ox

Medvedchuk and Boyko in Ukraine at the moment no one. Conversations with an empty spot.

And tomorrow? No others...

[Campanella]

The author correctly indicated. In Russia, a raw material power, prices for raw materials are higher than in some Western countries. And at the same time we are offered to compete?

[knn54]

Eugene, the author simply "forgot" to report that in the spring in Europe gas prices HAVE CRUMBLED (almost 50%!). And without this discount, it is more profitable to buy LNG.
I think that Europe will receive gas even at a greater discount.
By the way, a SERIOUS blow to Nord Stream, Power of Siberia, etc. After all, Gazprom will lose (compared to 2018) about 10 billion euros.

[vitvit123]

Quote: knn54

Eugene, the author simply "forgot" to report that in the spring in Europe gas prices HAVE CRUMBLED (almost 50%!). And without this discount, it is more profitable to buy LNG.
I think that Europe will receive gas even at a greater discount.
By the way, a SERIOUS blow to Nord Stream, Power of Siberia, etc. After all, Gazprom will lose (compared to 2018) about 10 billion euros.

there was a surge for half a year .., and before that there was the same price. nobody took into account these six months. and something is not clear if the price of pipe gas drops, then what is the advantage of LNG?

[knn54]

VitVit: An excess of LNG supply due to the massive commissioning of new liquefaction facilities in Australia, Qatar and the USA, the Yankes can afford to sell LNG to Europe at cost, selling the same Saudis at higher prices.

[vitvit123]

Quote: knn54

VitVit: Excess LNG supply, massive commissioning of new liquefaction facilities in Australia, Qatar and the USA. The Yankees can afford to sell LNG to Europe at cost, selling the same Saudis at higher prices.

first, on the first comment, FLASH WAS THE WHOLE MONTHLY, i.e. can you not write about price collapse ?! or not ?
The cost is still higher than the pipe! Then ...? (what are you talking about again?)
Of course, I have not monitored the last six months --- the massive commissioning of new liquefaction capacities --- but hardly anything has changed in six months ...

[Antares]

Quote: vitvit123

there was a surge for six months.

March cold weather raised gas prices very high. Demand clearly exceeded supply.
And now it's warm.

[vitvit123]

Quote: Antares

Quote: vitvit123

there was a surge for six months.

March cold weather raised gas prices very high. Demand clearly exceeded supply.
And now it's warm.

We did not discuss the reasons .... although maybe knn54 is interesting, maybe.

[major147]

Quote: knn54

blow to the "Nord Stream", "Power of Siberia"

Well, with the "Power of Siberia" you got excited. The Chinese are asking for more gas.

[just exp]

Have you noticed that there are too many such articles here and they appear more and more often?

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Gazprom confirms readiness to supply gas to Ukraine at a discount
I just want to add after the word "In Gasprom", the word "doomed confirmed." Since the political ambitions of the sun-faced Olympus players are not interested in profits and economic feasibility, which seem to be guided (in any case, should) gasprom

[su25]

Miller overcame sclerosis? Forgot the age-old history of Ukrainians' non-payments for gas? Isn't it wiser to supply gas to any more reliable "European partner", and how it will reach Ukraine is their problem.

[fedor13]

Nothing Russian, just business!

[Vovad]

Or is there some kind of positive response from the other side - in the interests of the Russian population?

Ask Lukashenko, he will answer you, he already knows what this "spiritual generosity" actually leads to ..

[Errr]

But there are, they say, even those who sell their mother.

[kepmor]

yeah ... not long Putiners hang out ...
but what about the discount for the "national heritage" for its population ??? ... weak ??? ... the toad will strangle ??? ...

[777-3-59-97]

yeah ... not long Putiners hang out ...

So this story has been going on for many years. Same.
Zomboyaschik says that "now Ukraine will definitely freeze without gas." But in fact, the gas went on and on.

[kepmor]

that's right ... the amount of our "generosity" is directly proportional to the level of hatred and enmity on the part of the dill ...
all Ukrainian politicians, even though connected with the Kremlin, do not have the support of the general population of 404 ...

[major147]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

gas as it went and goes.

Stop deliveries on contracts in the EU?

[Varyag71]

And now the people will pay

[Campanella]

They do not have a final point in the advertisement for "People's Property". It was yours, it is ours! And the signature of the cooperative "Lake".

[New Year day]

Quote: kepmor

yeah ... not long Putiners hang out ...

it comes to them with a delay. When the Americans Rusal grabbed what they were shouting? - Nonsense! And then Sechin himself said that Rusal was profiled. Where is their righteous anger and Rusal's headquarters in Kaliningrad? Zombie lovers have a hard time believing in the obvious. When the remnants of the economy collapse and when Medvedev becomes president again, even then they will look for Putin's "multi-move"

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: kepmor

yeah ... not long Putiners hang out ...

it comes to them with a delay. When the Americans Rusal grabbed what they were shouting? - Nonsense! And then Sechin himself said that Rusal was profiled. Where is their righteous anger and Rusal's headquarters in Kaliningrad? Zombie lovers have a hard time believing in the obvious. When the remnants of the economy collapse and when Medvedev becomes president again, even then they will look for Putin's "multi-move"

So what do you think do !? Overthrow the power ?!

[New Year day]

Quote: major147

Overthrow the power ?!

she will overthrow herself. The question is who will push the falling

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

she will overthrow herself. The question is who will push the falling

And then what?

[New Year day]

Nobody knows that.

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

Nobody knows that.

Then why call into the unknown? Suddenly there will be much worse?

[New Year day]

Quote: major147

Then why call into the unknown? Suddenly there will be much worse?

on the way to paradise, they did not promise to feed. But seriously, this is objectivity. It doesn’t depend on us

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

It doesn’t depend on us

What am I talking about !?

[askort154]

Think about profit before, and then about the country. Do not think about the people - in general.

[Den717]

Quote: askort154

Think about profits before and then about the country

They thought about the country when the severance tax paid, and all taxes due, excise taxes, duties, salaries to thousands of Gazprom employees and contracting organizations, and those in turn have their own taxes and fees. So calm down, your interests in this interview have not been affected. The more gas sold, the more deductions to the budget. And it doesn’t matter who buys it. And I think it’s useful for us to help the non-Nazi forces get a larger share in the parliament of a neighboring country.

[New Year day]

Quote: Den717

Your interests in this interview were not affected.

our interests have suffered in everything.
Soon, Russians, citizens of the country's richest natural resources, will be able to purchase bread, milk, pasta and other products on credit. It will be possible to pay for them later, but with interest. This innovation was announced in our economic life. at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum taking place these days.
And so, all is well, a beautiful marquise!

[Den717]

Quote: Silvestr

Soon, Russians, citizens of the country's richest natural resources, will be able to purchase bread, milk, pasta and other products on credit

Particularly gifted already do it now. After loans on a smartphone, one should not be surprised anymore. You are forced to take credit under pain of death. Especially in medicine ....

[Vinnibuh]

A little off topic, but in Samara, since July, the payment for mountains has been raised again. and cold water, and there will also be a recalculation for heating (for the singing winter), respectively, upward. Feegley, we have a deneh wagon! And the orphans from the "national heritage" need help, they are all ours.

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

This innovation in our economic life was announced at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum taking place these days.

Sorry, the link is possible ....

[New Year day]

https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/234916/
https://otr-online.ru/news/perekrestok-nachnet-prodavat-produkty-v-kredit-127627.html

[major147]

Thank. But you wrote

This innovation in our economic life was announced at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum taking place these days.

I wanted a link on the announcement of this initiative in the forum.

[RussianUzbek]

I hope there is a mutual game!

[Kelwin]

The reasons are simple - the contract is commercially viable. It is not clear that the author is incomprehensible. And it is not clear to me who authorized him to take care of the population - I am part of the population, and I did not give such an order to anyone.

[Kunica]

And who authorized you to take care of commercial benefits? Or will something be transferred to you from the contract?

[Kelwin]

No need to juggle. The author asks the grounds, which are actually obvious, but since he does not understand, he had to voice it. And the tender concern for the "welfare of the population" personally arouses suspicions and a gag reflex in me. Let him speak in his own name. If such a statement of the question hurts someone's ears, no question, they have a lot of opportunities to avoid receiving this information, as an option, just not to read.

[major147]

Quote: Marten

Or will something be transferred to you from the contract?

Taxes to the treasury.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Interestingly, the other day I received a receipt for the rent from February, increased by "2" rubles, now, from July 1, they again made me happy with an increase in payment for communal services, and now I think Gazprom is easier to maintain all kinds of media such as Moscow's echo than to turn to face its citizens.

[Muvka]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Interestingly, the other day I received a receipt for the rent from February, increased by "2" rubles, now, from July 1, they again made me happy with an increase in payment for communal services, and now I think Gazprom is easier to maintain all kinds of media such as Moscow's echo than to turn to face its citizens.

Can I have a region? Just wondering. We, in the Ivanovo region, as it was, remained.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Moscow region.

[Muvka]

Guys who are from the Moscow region, tell me, is this true or not?

[Стена]

guys from the Ivanovo region confirm the words Muvka

[Vinnibuh]

Since January, + a muddy and incomprehensible garbage payment has risen in Samara (as most garbage dumps were half-hooked, they remained. The rule was taken out and taken out normally)

[New Year day]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

the other day I received a receipt for the rent since February, it has risen by "2" rubles, now, since July 1, they once again made me happy with an increase in payment for communal services,

in my ticket, water has risen in price 2 times, garbage - 2 times

[Invoce]

[quote] We are ready to start negotiations on the preparation of an agreement on the supply of Russian gas, which would provide a price level 25% lower for the final consumer than there are currently. According to Miller “Conclusion of a contract with Ukraine for gas supplies to this country "more important than a transit contract ”[/quote]
The main thing is to do something to justify your need, the result (the economic component) is not important! Something is not clear! I can’t understand whether to sell myself to the detriment or is everything already done on the domestic market, do all Russian citizens have gas?
Is this a political decision agreed upon with the government of the Russian Federation? Or economic on the sale of resources to a counterparty at a lower price ... Maybe the interest of some government officials .. It smacks of corruption if this decision is not agreed at the highest level ...
Then the question is posed correctly ..
[quote] At the same time, Miller did not specify on what basis the company's management is actually going to give the Ukrainian side discounts. Or is there some kind of positive response from the other side - in the interests of the Russian population? [/ Quote]

[HAM]

And the Russians Gazprom does not want to make a 25% discount !?
Beat your own, so that others are afraid ..... Gazprom does so ...
And how many Ukrainians do not lure

[kakvastam]

Quote: HAM

Gazprom does so ...

Gazprom is doing what they say. And they say those whom some have chosen ...

[Kunica]

But how did we survive without selling gas to Ukraine? After all, there is no one else to pump out the national treasure. Rather, rather, let's give more pressure! Our brothers are freezing. In the cold, they are not comfortable pouring mud on the raska.

[major147]

Quote: Marten

But how did we survive without selling gas to Ukraine?

Gas sales there did not stop.

[Oleg Kolsky 051]

After the election, Putin and his Kodla are not shy at all, they endow the enemy, for the Russian population is being crushed from all sides.
It would be funny if it weren’t so disgusting.

[Dr. Sorge]

Lost, forgot ... :) Partner, after all :)
Soon the tanks will begin to repair the VSU. I won’t be surprised.

[Alf]

Quote: Dr. Sorge

Soon the tanks will begin to repair the VSU. I won’t be surprised

It was said that the rearmament is coming to an end and the factories should look for new orders.

[Antares]

Quote: Dr. Sorge

Lost, forgot ... :) Partner, after all :)
Soon the tanks will begin to repair the VSU. I won’t be surprised.

partly they bought komplektuhi through 3 hands. For domestic import substitution is not worse than Russian (nameplates)

[Mordvin 3]

The couple will not understand anything. Didn't Gazprom beat his fist into the chest, saying that the contract after 2019 would not be renewed? Or the leadership of Russia, Gazprom, something pinched European partners?

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Did Gazprom hit his chest with a fist, saying that the contract would not be extended after 2019?

Gazprom has no trump cards against Ukraine!

Quote: Mordvin 3

Or did the Russian leaders pinch something to European partners?

not only to the management of Gazprom, but also to the rest of the representatives of our "patrician" elite - accounts outside the cordon, real estate there, children and grandchildren. They have been there for a long time, it is for us that they shout about patriotism, the enemy of the West. After 24 years, they all together will transfer there for permanent residence, so they lay straws. And for the "Sheluponi" - Soloviev, Kisilev, the National Guard and a decrease in income. All at the request of the "workers"

[vitvit123]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

The couple will not understand anything. Didn't Gazprom beat his fist into the chest, saying that the contract after 2019 would not be renewed? Or the leadership of Russia, Gazprom, something pinched European partners?

what are you talking about? transit or DKP?

[Shelest2000]

There is no limit to the breadth of mental government of the Russian company Gazprom. True, the spiritual breadth is revealed at the moment when it comes for some reason, not about the domestic gas consumer in the Russian Federation, but about a foreign partner.

Nothing personal, just business (s).
The domestic consumer will pay in rubles, which you can’t buy a villa in Italy with a vineyard. And you cannot put personal accounts in foreign banks.

[Andrei Gurov]

So that the end consumer in Ukraine has gas cheaper by 25% than now, gas must be supplied free of charge.

[Antares]

Quote: Andrei Gurov

So that the end consumer in Ukraine has gas cheaper by 25% than now, gas must be supplied free of charge.

I heard today a conversation on HB radio about what 160 and buy for 320 - everyone shrugs that the government that Naftogaz - we do not know!
No one knows. All these Rotterdam + they themselves created ...
Free gas does not guarantee a 25% discount ... And Rotterdam +!)) Will add a plus and reduce by half a penny ...
they sell domestic gas for $ 40 as European with delivery from the Netherlands ...
But Naftogaz has ceased to be unprofitable ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Graz

in general, there was a conversation about the energy blockade of this country on our part, how gas discounts can be coordinated with this, I don’t understand

Apparently, the Gazprom leadership, in fact, appointed by the Russian government, considered that the state’s foreign policy could go one way, and their (own) interests could go the other way.
V.V. Putin (I recall this), explained on television about five years ago, the NEED for gas supplies at reduced prices, and to compensate for the losses of his company, compensate for domestic prices paid by Russian citizens.
Until col ??????????

[Alf]

Quote: Vkd dvk

Until col ??????????

Until the next Aurora shot.

[major147]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Vkd dvk

Until col ??????????

Until the next Aurora shot.

And further on the history of the early 20th century. Are you for the "whites" or for the "reds" to cut the Russians?

[Alf]

Quote: major147

Quote: Alf

Quote: Vkd dvk

Until col ??????????

Until the next Aurora shot.

And further on the history of the early 20th century. Are you for the "whites" or for the "reds" to cut the Russians?

Do you know another way to overthrow this gangster power? And do not forget that fact that is unloved by modern power, that revolution, i.e. the transition of power from capitalism to socialism in Russia occurred quickly and bloodlessly. And the intervention and the ensuing civil war is a consequence of the actions of the whites, who resorted to the help of foreign powers and who realized that without outside help all their attempts to restore the monarchy-capitalism are doomed to failure.

[major147]

Quote: Alf

And the intervention and the ensuing civil war is a consequence of the actions of the whites, who resorted to the help of foreign powers and who realized that without outside help all their attempts to restore the monarchy-capitalism are doomed to failure.

What reasons do you have to think what will be wrong now?

[Alf]

Quote: major147

Quote: Alf

And the intervention and the ensuing civil war is a consequence of the actions of the whites, who resorted to the help of foreign powers and who realized that without outside help all their attempts to restore the monarchy-capitalism are doomed to failure.

What reasons do you have to think what will be wrong now?

Yars, Satan, Mace ...

[major147]

They are controlled by people who may have different beliefs and not the fact that one Yars regiment will not shoot at another.

[Alf]

Quote: major147

They are controlled by people who may have different beliefs and not the fact that one Yars regiment will not shoot at another.

The US ambassador to the Kremlin is called, the boat goes into position, and at a certain moment the chief Kremlin official says to the ambassador, look at the screen. At this moment, the boat shoots with a "clapperboard", after which the Kremlin says to the ambassador, Take away NATO troops from Russian territory in 24 hours, or do not blame them.

[Aliken]

Miller sat up in his place. Russian citizens in Baikonur pay 139 (!!!!!) rubles for a cubic meter of Russian gas, 40 rubles more than the most expensive Russian gas consumers in Europe - Sweden. And why such preferences to Ukraine, for its hostile policy towards Russia? Then it is clear, of course.

[Den717]

Quote: Aliken

Russian citizens in Baikonur pay 139 (!!!!!) rubles for a cube of Russian gas,

And what you do not specify that it is liquefied, and not pipe? And Baikonur is Kazakhstan, with its Kazmunaigas.

[Aliken]

And the fact that Baikonur is not aware of a lease from Russia before 2050? And what prevents Russia from switching the city to cheap Kazakhstani gas, caring for its citizens?) Spit on everyone. This is how Russia cares about its citizens abroad, it is ready to sell them expensive liquefied ones, greed of profit drives. Milk their own citizens.

[Den717]

Quote: Aliken

And the fact that Baikonur is not aware of a lease from Russia before 2050?

Firstly, it’s not at all a fact that the lease will live up to 2050, otherwise there would be no such rush with Vostochny. Secondly, at the end of 2017, a pipe was already laid in Baikonur. Today, an event is being held to transfer infrastructure to pipe gas. And this is not an instant matter. But the question is not that, but that you intentionally distort information. And you yourself from Baikonur? Does this problem concern you? What do you see the role of Gazprom in resolving this problem? You rest on greed. But whose greed is this? Water in this desert area is two times cheaper than mine, for example. Both hot and cold. Maybe you can give figures on margin or profitability in the supply of housing and communal services?

[Aliken]

These "negotiations" on gas have been going on for decades. And it's not up to you to decide how long the lease will last, for sure the lease will be extended, given the insolvency of Vostochny. And I am not distorting anything, do not invent. I live here in Baikonur. For hot water I pay 97,98 rubles per cubic meter, cold water costs 23.37 rubles. How much more do you pay for your water?

[Den717]

Quote: Aliken

And it's not up to you to decide how long the lease will last, for sure, the lease will be extended, given the insolvency of Vostochny.

I do not decide, but only guess. At the rates. In April 2019, hot water was 192,47 rubles per cube, cold water was 73,40. At the same time, at 40 km I have an Ob.

[Aliken]

Congratulations. Given our gas price, we are even.))) By the way, we are standing on the Syr Darya.

[Minato2020]

From the article
According to Alexey Miller, the company is ready to provide Ukraine with discounts on gas supplies from Russia. Miller, who had another meeting with Viktor Medvedchuk and Yuri Boyko (both from Ukraine), quotes TASS
"We are ready to begin negotiations on the preparation of an agreement on the supply of Russian gas, which would provide a price level 25% lower for the end consumer than is currently available."
According to Alexey Miller, the conclusion of a contract with Ukraine for gas supplies to this country is "more important than a transit contract"

It may seem that it will be as before -
Ukraine is stealing gas, Gazprom is writing off losses to Ukraine and the profit figure is declining.
And then the price of gas rises inside the Russian Federation to cover costs.

[APASUS]

An attempt to shove Ukraine into at least some kind of framework on the part of Russia? I doubt that this is possible, we sat for too long and watched the revival of the Bandera cult and now we got a "wild field"

[armata_armata]

An attempt to shove Ukraine again into at least some kind of framework on the part of Russia?

No, the usual betrayal of the motherland as well as the sale of S-400 Turkey

[major147]

Quote: APASUS

An attempt to shove Ukraine into at least some kind of framework on the part of Russia? I doubt that this is possible, we sat for too long and watched the revival of the Bandera cult and now we got a "wild field"

But do something!

[APASUS]

Quote: major147

But do something!

Of course it’s better late than never. But it’s time to take other steps, it’s time to go to Ukraine with your influence, they were silent earlier. For the Russian state, it will not be a big burden to a couple of billion dollars if they bet on Medvedchuk and Boyko’s party, they’ll buy a channel for him (in another way Ukrainians seem to be unable to perceive information)
Of course there are a lot of questions, but it’s time for a long time .............. with Potroshenko’s American litter, such an option was not possible at all, and Zelensky required the implementation of his ideas, he wants to be held as a fair politician, so it’s time !
In the meantime, we only have Minsk agreements and here is an attempt to contract with Gazprom, very few

[major147]

Quote: APASUS

Of course, better late than never.

I think the worse the situation in their country will be, the sooner they will have "enlightenment in the mind" (c) After all, if you throw away what was brought to the Maidan from outside polit. husk, people just demanded a better life (I know from my Kiev relatives). But they didn't get what they wanted. Someone reluctantly admits it, while others are hindered by creed. But everyone understands this.

[APASUS]

Quote: major147

I think the worse the situation in their country will be, the faster they will have "enlightenment in the mind" (c)

The fact is that enlightenment has already come, but a handful of bandits who use force against the sober-minded people (this is like bandits in our 90s) rule the country. So they’ll turn their heads on them - the country will have a future .......... ..............

[major147]

Quote: APASUS

So Ze will roll their head

Who to whom - another question!

[zenion]

What will be thrown off can be delivered.

[pavelpavel]

Gasification of its own population is not much profit for Gazprom, but cooperation with Echo of Moscow? All the same, for us the "oligarch" for TNK is the manager, a rather muddy policy.

[parusnik]

An answer to Ukrainian sanctions

[Phil77]

Quote: parusnik

An answer to Ukrainian sanctions

What an amazing time we live in! Colonels of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs (some, of course not all!) Store money in shuttle trunks. Deputies, officials do not hesitate to make claims to their own people. The country's largest taxpayer is going to supply gas to an openly hostile country at a discount. Price for gas, in spite of the price of oil, has a tendency to only grow. Well, and the rest of the magic, including pension reform. And the guarantor, then what? And nothing!

[Alf]

Quote: Phil77

What about the guarantor? Nothing!

He has nothing to do with it, it's all bad Medvedev with a thought.
Boris55, where are you? Explain the slow-witted. I’m not going to swell for you.

[Phil77]

I’m afraid that Boris alone55 will not be enough! We need a whole ministry, and designate it as the Ministry for Emergency Explanations. For the number of misunderstoods is growing, and about * a yasnalka of the type: * Do you want to like in / in Ukraine? * Is already failing.

[senima56]

That's when Zelensky will sit opposite Miller .... or, at least, the new Prime Minister of Ukraine, then something might be decided. And so ..... Chatter.

[Lexa-149]

That is, the aggressor is no longer quite an aggressor ?! Interesting guys! For 5 years they have been fighting with Russia, restraining its aggression, "zahischayut" Europe, and they take gas with a discount without frowning!

[major147]

Quote: Lexa-149

and take gas at a discount without wincing!

Neither who has given anything, nor who has taken anything. So, talk in favor of the poor.

[Lexa-149]

Yes, the whole joke is that they still have the audacity to even ask her!

[major147]

Quote: Lexa-149

Yes, the whole joke is that they still have the audacity to even ask her!

"Audacity second happiness!"

[armata_armata]

Today gas discounts, tomorrow loans for weapons ... For successful cooperation with Russia, you probably either have to enter a block that wants to destroy the Russian Federation, or declare this desire directly

[kakvastam]

Wonderful photo!
Facial expression is simply mesmerizing.

[Radist ket]

As I noticed, the more spread rot and humiliation of Russia and the Russians, the more agreeable “our oligarchs” and other officials in the Kremlin become. Didn't the men notice?

[stay sharp]

But doesn’t it bother anyone that the abstract Boyko and Medvedchuk are negotiating?

[Vladimir M]

I don’t understand what you can talk about with a bear and smartly. These people are nobody in Ukraine and are unlikely to be someone. I also understand that Medvedev met with them before the election, so that they would delay the votes of Petty’s competitors. Still, the Russian Federation to crush Ukraine, it was handier, with Poroshenko

[cniza]

Quote: stay sharp

But doesn’t it bother anyone that the abstract Boyko and Medvedchuk are negotiating?

And if no one leads then ...

[Alex Nevs]

Boyko and Medvedchuk are pawns for now ... One pawn for "fussing in." But another pawn in the future will reach the end.

[Alexey from Perm]

if the Slovak intermediary is simply being liquidated, okay ... but if the discount is just stupid, in exchange for what? I would like to know the details ..

[16112014nk]

It’s good to be generous (to Miller) at someone else’s expense (at the expense of taxpayers), some still sit without gas.

[cniza]

Quote: 16112014nk

It’s good to be generous (to Miller) at someone else’s expense (at the expense of taxpayers), some still sit without gas.

Miller is here in the third version, though ...

[Astra wild]

The enthusiasm and persistence "of the representatives of the Ukrainian political opposition platform:" For life. "Or maybe this is a kind of signal to Ukrainian voters: if you vote for Yuriy Boyko, then you will be better, and if you like the current situation, support the Beggar

[Antares]

Quote: Astra wild

Or maybe this is a kind of signal to Ukrainian voters: if you vote for Yuriy Boyko

Well, I will vote for him. But not for his Russian vector, but for his position on language matters.

[cniza]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Astra wild

Or maybe this is a kind of signal to Ukrainian voters: if you vote for Yuriy Boyko

Well, I will vote for him. But not for his Russian vector, but for his position on language matters.

So it is necessary to collect the majority.

[Antares]

Quote: cniza

Quote: Antares

Quote: Astra wild

Or maybe this is a kind of signal to Ukrainian voters: if you vote for Yuriy Boyko

Well, I will vote for him. But not for his Russian vector, but for his position on language matters.

So it is necessary to collect the majority.

most, unlike me, do not consider the problem a language issue. And the main thing for them is not to restore the regionals. Smartly the same populist. Just with connections in the Kremlin. And all sorts of Lyashki are just populists - without connections.

[maniak_dsm]

Kabbalah with the IMF will not allow the end consumer to get a discount. Only market price.

[cniza]

In Ukraine, the end consumer does not care about anyone.

[Berkut24]

At the same time, Miller did not specify on what basis the management of the company is actually going to give the Ukrainian side discounts.

He also did not specify at which President this will happen, in which year and discounts on what prices will be made. Miller just indicated what kind of people he is ready to negotiate with after the election.

[Nestorych]

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

[swzero]

IMHO, the discount will be for political concessions - for example, the repeal of the Russian language law, the end to the persecution of pro-Russian politicians, media personnel, ordinary people, etc. .. In this case, the discount is justified - this is the only way to protect the local Russian population.

[cniza]

The requirements are very strict and specific, including your wishes.

[friend of animals]

They press on the second northern stream, and the Turks are muddy, and the osen wants to eat black caviar. Therefore, they make a "tricky" move, ala Boyko "bargained" for something from Gazprom to justify the volume of gas supplies to Ukraine. Europeans and Ukrainians, of course, will not buy it, but there is no calculation for this, this is a dish for domestic consumption. How many people are already feeding people with talk about Russia's generosity and assistance to the fraternal people with gas, oil, coal, and they are so bad, they don't want to be friends. There is no generosity or brotherly assistance, just an inconvenient trade is covered up with beautiful explanations. On the other hand, not only the lord's table, but also the Russian economy depends on the hydrocarbon trade. Therefore, there will be gas transit through Ukraine.

[cniza]

Therefore, gas transit through Ukraine to be.

As an option, yes, but technically it is bent.

[Dikson]

This is great news .. They just forgot to write that Ukraine will not pay money at all ... also steal from the pipe .. But this will make neither Miller, nor all of us hot or cold .. -gas is national, that means -nothing .. You can resent, misunderstand and calculate as much as you like - nothing of this will change. Someone will obviously significantly increase money after signing up, the rest may be nervous further ... Corporations are not interested in public opinions and political decisions, and corporations also do not care about the life of Aboriginal people accidentally living in the territory of mining.

[cniza]

They only forgot to write that Ukraine will not pay money at all ..

\\

You forgot that now only by prepayment.

[gx200gx]

I do not remember from which song, "how much truth is in the eyes of the state sh..h". Yes, give it for free, and we will come up with something like a major overhaul of new houses!

[cniza]

Gazprom confirms readiness to supply gas to Ukraine at a discount

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In the photo they sit, like at a funeral, whose interest is it?

[Astra wild]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Vkd dvk

Until col ??????????

Until the next Aurora shot.

Then there was V.I. Lenin, and now G.A. Zyuganov notice the difference?

[petrol cutter]

"... is actually going to give discounts to the Ukrainian side. Or is there some kind of reciprocal positive movement from that side - in the interests of the Russian population?"
God knows. Maybe there is. Or maybe not ... Who can tell us The case is dark.

[Polente the Wanderer]

Here, it’s just an attempt, if not to bring Boyko to the prime minister’s chair, then add points before the election of a party that does not even call Russia an aggressor, although there is basically no pro-Russian party in Ukraine

[BAI]

The situation is like in 1941. On the one hand - peace, friendship, chewing gum, on the other - deterioration in relations, there is nowhere worse. Some kind of cognitive dissonance. And everything can end as in 41.

[mavrus]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: For example

Prices for domestic consumption are definitely lower.

Do not worry, by the end of 2024, they will be equal to the world.

Still, the salaries with pensions were equal ... And so all get hurt ...
It seems that the price for gas is two times less ... And if the dollar from the euro is raised even higher, we can assume that we get gas for free. Forgetting that for an average pension the same German or Belgian can buy almost 2000 liters of "expensive" liquid gas, while the Russian pension is enough for just 500 liters of "cheap" one.

[tolmachiev51]

Another scam - dill gas / reverse / for another five years will be sold with 25% wrap / allegedly previously uploaded /, but where these percentages "disappear", there is a big question !!! ???

[Avior]

According to Alexey Miller, the company is ready to provide Ukraine with discounts on gas supplies from Russia. Miller, who had another meeting with Viktor Medvedchuk

There is no limit to the breadth of sincere rule of the Russian company Gazprom.

which is revealed for some reason when meeting with the godfather of Putin

[VB]

And why wouldn’t this leave 25% to Russia, and not offer the enemy? Have all the problems in Russia been resolved? Is the whole Fatherland gasified? Gas people sell for a penny? Does Miller receive the country's average salary? Well, five times the average, like in the west? On Red Square, it’s full of Chinese senior citizens every day, but interestingly, in Beijing, too, full of Chinese senior citizens? I have a ceasefire decision in the Donbass. It is necessary there to move closer to the front line to relocate the families of the president and members of the government. I guarantee the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

[Yuri Shalnov]

The GDP has caved in once again, but Bandera’s Ukraine will evaluate this as “I can overcome”...If it evaluates it at all, and Gazprom will compensate for the losses at the expense of the Russians!

[bratchanin3]

Those close in spirit and sentiment cannot sympathize with like-minded people or help them financially. This is such veiled financial support for Bandera’s supporters with reference to the people. Maybe I'm on my own, but I think so. I suspect Bandera’s supporters will still not vote for the regionals (no matter how they disguise themselves), even the Ukrainian old women were against it and still live with the Maidan in their heads. Miller will chat with Gref and Medvedev (who is the prime minister), and they will dry off once again. They won’t buy “relatives” in Hochland!

[Victorio]

when will we learn to process gas and not burn it anywhere and everywhere?

[tank64rus]

An oligarch will not give an oligarch a blow in the eye. For the electorate, gas and gasoline prices will never fall.