The KLA confirmed its readiness to transfer the 76 Su-57 to the 2028 of the Russian Federation VKS

United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is fully ready for mass production of the latest Russian fifth-generation aircraft. The announced number of 76 Su-57 will be ready for 2028 year. This was announced by UAC President Yury Slusar on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

According to Slyusar, UAC has prepared a process for the production of the newest aircraft. Production will be conducted at the aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, which is one of the most modern.

The plant employs a large number of qualified professionals. We are such a number with such a pace, as the president has put, we will certainly

- said the head of the KLA, answering the corresponding question of journalists.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that in the period before 2028, the Russian Aerospace Forces would not buy the 16, but the 76 of the latest fifth-generation Su-57 fighter. This decision was made due to the manufacturer’s price reduction by 20 percent. At the same time, Russian media reported that with the construction of such a number of Su-57 planes, the value of the entire contract could amount to 170 billion rubles. A new contract for the supply of the Su-57 Defense Ministry should be concluded soon.

Earlier it was reported that the first serial Su-57 from the installation batch will go to the video conferencing facility until November of the 2019 year, and the second will be shipped to 2020. The contract for the supply of the first two Su-57 serials was concluded in 2018 with the delivery of the Russian Aerospace System of one aircraft in 2019 and 2020.

The first Su-57 fighters will be delivered to the VKS with the engine of the first stage, which provides super-maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio and low visibility of the aircraft. The engine of the second stage, which will provide the Su-57 supersonic cruising speed, will be put on aircraft from the 2023 year.

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[MoJloT]

The KLA confirmed its readiness to transfer the 76 Su-57 to the 2028 of the Russian Federation VKS

Damn well, the light is not close for 28 years, moreover, with what engines?

[user1212]

Quote: MoJloT

Damn well, the light is not close for 28 years, moreover, with what engines?

And what exactly do the existing ones not suit you?

[Romka47]

Probably the same as me, they are not 5 generations, engines are essentially 4+, and since engines are not 5, then the plane is not 5.

[Armata T-14]

The engine of the 1st stage corresponds to the 5th generation. The second stage is already 5+

[Romka47]

Did they tell you this on TV?) And they didn’t say that the Indians, for example, from the joint program came out precisely because of him? do not say that both the Americans and the Chinese do not consider him point blank the fifth generation? If I call my Lada Ferrari, and even if all my loved ones say so and even believe that it is a Ferrari, it will not go faster. And the Italians will laugh just as the whole world is now over our 57m. Yes, you really look in the eye

[KCA]

Chinese with our engines, and even "not the first stage" is considered, but the SU-57 is not? Is it okay that China does not have a single engine in its production, not even superior to its Russian "dad", but at least with equal characteristics? They and the SU-35, most likely, bought the engines from the stock on their "invisible" to put, or even from the aircraft, and of course they will once again try to copy, only the SU-35 is AL-41F-1C, and on the 57th AL-41F-1, with even higher characteristics

[Romka47]

The fact that China does not have them does not at all mean that we have them. And here for what they bought the SU-35. I tell you about Thomas, we tell you about the grandmother of Yerema and why she needs a bucket. There are statements by the Chinese of various ranks about the 57th, I never met anything flattering anywhere. If you find the opposite, I will read it with pleasure.

[KCA]

They sold them a SU-57? I didn’t hear, they bought the SU-35C, tested it, and are very satisfied. I just don’t understand how a country that does not have an engine comparable to the AL-41F-1 engine has a 5th generation aircraft, and the SU-57 is not considered such, although the AL-41F-1 engine has

[bayard]

I don’t know what truth you looked into your eyes, but you were clearly jinxed. Judging by your nickname ... are you a hunter?
A joke.
What do you young man know about the 5th generation? Can you name his criteria? Can you name the representatives of this generation?
Is the F-35 such?
You focused on engines ... what do you know about them?
Have you heard of such a thing as specific thrust?
A device flying in supersonic without afterburner, is this the fifth generation?
Sure ?
MiG-29 flies without afterburner ...
And the MiG-31 does it ...
Is this the fifth generation?
F-22 and Su-57 (first stage) have approximately equal afterburner thrust indicators.
And in the afterburner mode, the Su-57 confidently holds supersonic. And the weapon on supersonic applies confidently.
F-22 also flies confidently on supersonic. And for a long time. But ... Weapons from the internal compartments cannot be used. Flaps from the incoming flow do not open. And what is unarmed supersonic good for?
And who after this, and over whom, should laugh?
Are you already funny?
Or was sad with the Italians?

And the "Product-30" is an engine of a completely different level. With a thrust like the F-35, it weighs 1,5 times lighter.

And do not follow the Indians in their philosophy, it is often paradoxical with them.

[bayard]

Quote: bayard

And the "Product-30" is an engine of a completely different level. With a thrust like the F-35, it weighs 1,5 times lighter.

Forced to recover. According to Pedivikia, the weight of the F-135 is 2450 kg. , and this is already TWO times higher than that of the "Product-30" (about 1200 kg) ...
Here's a thing sculpted.

[okko077]

Wiki also needs to be able to read, dear! F135 exists in 3 versions and the base F135PW-100 weighs 1720 kg ... and the thrust is 19,5, and has been produced since 2010 ... What do you think they were sitting during this time and did nothing?

[bayard]

That's exactly why -

Quote: okko077

1720 kg.

I wrote at first "one and a half times", but then I decided to refresh my memory and got on the weight characteristics of the first version. I decided that my memory was wrong ...
Likewise, the traction characteristics of the "Product-30" are different. First, 11/18 tons (non-afterburner / afterburner), then the maximum afterburner was indicated at 19,5 tons, which means that the non-afterburner will be 12,5 - 13 tons. In addition, the temperature on the turbine is indicated in the range 1950 - 2100 gr. K. ... There is a very large spread when the struggle is for every ten degrees. Apparently the temperature of 2100 * K corresponds to a thrust of 19,5 tons, but this mode limits the resource or the operating time in this mode.
The most stable and resource-resistant, apparently, is the regime with a temperature of 1950 * K, providing a thrust of 18 tons. What is also simply outstanding performance, with such a modest weight and size.
But what vertical line could be sculpted on such an engine ...

[okko077]

What do you young man know about the 5th generation? Can you name his criteria?

Is it possible to ask questions with such heroic pathos that there are no answers ... You clearly know that everyone has different answers and there are no criteria, as such ...

[bayard]

That's exactly why. Even experts do not have exact criteria, but take out the fifth generation of the couch "patriot", otherwise it's a shame, and "Italians laugh with Hindus"

[okko077]

Rather, the "French" were laughing, but now they stopped ... By the way, they have a very good M88-3 engine on their "Rafale M" and they are quietly improving it further ...

[bayard]

Good sin cannot be improved.
A better laugh last.
By the way, they will soon have chases with the Indians - "Rafali" against the Su-30, it is interesting to see the results.

[bayard]

I looked at the engine - really good. Somewhere in the parameters of the RD-33K, but maybe a smaller diameter (M88-2 is definitely smaller and lighter, but weaker), the specific consumption is good.
Here they are, yes, 404 and butting between themselves, and not with heavier brothers.
Rafal has a good and light glider, without troubles of stealth unnecessary, because of which there is a high thrust-weight ratio and bezforsazhny supersound. MiG-29, too, without afterburner goes to supersonic, but it is heavier.

[Romka47]

Sofa your way of life, why not laugh? Yes, it's a shame. You "real" space marines know best of all, we all have the 5th, and better than the Americans, let them tell us how our spaceships are roaming the vastness of the universe. Only in fact, one-of-a-kind laboratories fly one to the other, not similar, but you cannot say a word against, someone will come out like you right away, how is it for domestic weapons and criticism? ...
RESULTS: We have all the best and the most modern ... will be ..... then ...

[Romka47]

I am an honest person, so I will honestly say that I understand a little about this, I understand only one thing well, I went to school, they said, "our 5th generation aircraft is the coolest, now it will go into series, I graduated from school, institute, then another interesting stage of life (I will not voice it here) then I got married for 5 years in marriage, divorced. Ha, but nothing has changed with the plane (IN GENERAL THE SAME RELATIONS FROM THE SCREENS AND IN THE MEDIA) I am what I mean, I mean that with all your knowledge in aircraft engines, you and I are covered ... with 4, 4+, 4 ++ planes, and at the same time, for most of my adult life, I personally hear about "Here ..."
If you tell me in brief about the engines I will be honestly grateful, I will expand my horizons with pleasure.

[bayard]

Roman, already American experts (those who are specialists, not propagandists) recognized that the 5th generation they failed. And they envy Russia, which (for various reasons) did not go headlong into this race, but developed the 4th generation, bringing it to perfection.
In order to achieve the best possible flight performance, the gliders of our aircraft are close to ideal. The increase in engine thrust and all-aspect nozzles give them advantages in dynamics, maneuverability, range, speed. All that remains is the "stealth" factor ... but this option is very expensive - in terms of flight characteristics. It worsens aerodynamics and all of the above parameters, you have to regularly update the radio-absorbing coating ...
Yes, and it is impossible to make the plane inconspicuous in the entire frequency range. When the Americans developed their F-117, B-2, F-22, they believed that soon all radars would be in the centimeter and millimeter ranges. But in these ranges their planes are the least noticeable, but (!) Both in the USSR and in present-day Russia, air defense on duty both worked and work in the meter and decimeter ranges - this is less energy-consuming and provides the greatest range of visibility. And in these ranges, any STELS is seen as pretty. In addition, in Russia they took the surest path of counteraction - increasing the radar power of their aircraft ... as a result, even in cm / mm ranges, American aircraft began to be detected at an acceptable distance, and therefore be amazed.
Now about the tactics of the American F-22, F-35. They mainly practice air combat only "from an ambush" - with a safe distance for detection, not including the radar, by external target designation and long-range missiles (for them) - 120 - 130 km. But for external target designation, AWACS is needed, and in a real war it will become just the highest priority target in air combat for R-37M missiles (range 300 km.). Therefore, AWACS will either be quickly destroyed, or it will turn off the radar and quickly (as it can) retire ... And then what should the F-22 and F-35 do? Play cat and mouse in passive mode? Here the advantage of ours - OLS (optical-location stations) allow detecting enemy aircraft 50 km away (and in the Su-57 up to 70 km) ... and the cat quickly catches the mouse.
Then what else is left for them to turn on the radar? But it is immediately complete self-illumination and the chances are equalized again. Moreover, our fighters will seek to approach close range, where they have a clear advantage and more advanced OLS (the F-22 does not have them at all) ... and more ammunition.
So what should the poor fellow do in such a situation (AWACS were knocked out, self-illumination occurred, or OLS detected and attacked)? To rush about? Here the F-22 can take it, it’s high-speed, but the sadness for the F-35 is that our aircraft are much faster, more maneuverable and have a longer range, fuel supply and ammunition. Therefore, catch-ups will be fatal.
This is just a layout for performance characteristics and tactics of combat use. In reality, in life, and even more so in a battle, everything is more difficult and anything can happen - a different balance of forces, the presence of AWACS aircraft on both sides, who owns the initiative, from what distance the battle begins ... But what I described to you - incl. h. look and American analysts (serious). Therefore, they shout in one voice "we need our 4 ++".

[Romka47]

Thank you And he scooped up the new and laid out the old in his head on the shelves.

[bayard]

An example of a possible air battle between F-22 \ 35 and Russian 4 ++, I took from memory from an article by one of the leading US Air Force analysts (I don’t remember my last name).
That's probably why we were not in a hurry to take the raw Su-57 into service, and some thought that in the light of the foregoing, it was not needed at all - it’s expensive, it’s time to prepare new infrastructure for it, aircraft technicians ...
I have a comrade - an air defense veteran, very deserved and competent. So we were arguing with him on this subject (the need / need of the Su-57) for a long time. He believed that he didn’t need it, he won’t have much of a qualitative increase, it’s expensive to go over and master for a long time (mainly for aerodrome and technical services), the spectrum of combat missions ... is foggy (which the Su-30, Su-35 and MiG-31 cannot do from what he will do). But I was able to convince him that a number of tasks, and even specific ones, were better for anyone to do. This will be a kind of special forces, for special missions, hunting for AWACS, reconnaissance, EW aircraft, and other missions, where covert rapprochement is welcome.

[Romka47]

Well, I can't help but agree, that's right. And your comrade is probably right in part, but in general "It will be a kind of air special forces, for special missions, hunting for AWACS, reconnaissance aircraft, electronic warfare aircraft and other missions where covert rapprochement is welcome." this is of course needed

[Voyager]

So are you inclined to believe the Indians and Americans or the statements of our engineers with tv?
If we discard the question of faith, there are clear criteria for determining the capabilities of certain nodes, including the engine. The dviglo of the first stage is capable of over-the-air overheating. This is the main criterion for the notorious 5th generation.

[tranquil]

Quote: Romka47

And the Italians will laugh just as the whole world is now over our 57m.

Do not dramatize.

[Romka47]

Well, I'm figuratively, but in general ... well, the truth is, I understand if dancing with the 57th started 3 years ago, but it's real for years, a decade (if not confused) already dancing with him and statements to the whole world, but output 0 (for now, I sincerely hope that for now). Well, if the Americans, from the moment of the presentation of the F-35 and still would not let it into the series, and at every exhibition they said "let's start right now, let's finish it right now" Wouldn't you laugh?

[user1212]

Quote: Romka47

Probably the same as me, they are not 5 generations

Specifically, what is this expressed in? The parameter that identifies this engine as 4th generation and what are the benefits of a 5th generation engine

[Piramidon]

Quote: Romka47

Probably the same as me, they are not 5 generations, engines are essentially 4+, and since engines are not 5, then the plane is not 5.

Have read the Pentagon advertising. What does the AL-41F1 do not suit you? In the end, as the saying goes, "you checkered, or go"? Need a good plane or a generation figure? Who determined these parameters of generations? What, the notorious, advertised F-22 and 35 are doing nothing but cruising supersonic?

[Armata T-14]

Quote: Piramidon

What, the notorious, advertised F-22 and 35 only do that fly on a cruising supersonic?

F-35, by the way, does not fully correspond to the 5th generation. This is a lightweight 4 ++ fighter bomber. There is no cruising supersonic. The Su-57 is even with a stage 1 engine. In principle, stage 2 is even redundant, but once done, let it be. F-22 - yes, completely 5th generation, like the Su-57

[Romka47]

So, ours don’t fly either, and there’s nothing to fly so far (let's honestly consider serial ones when they fly on cruising supersound) I don’t read Pentagon ads, I’m finished URAPATRIOT. In general, I'm tired of arguing because of him and his engines. In general, the years are going to no avail, you prove something, you read, you understand these engines, prices, tactics, you compare with your opponent, but there is no plane anyway. All to no avail, Tired ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Romka47

а no plane does not matter

Well, here it is again "for peace." The aircraft is there, it is flying, it is being tested and preparations are underway for serial production.

I'm finished URAPATRIOT

You look more like a "vsepropalschik". Judging by your comments, we have nothing, and what we have sucks.

[Romka47]

Yes, they called me BOT and the State Department. I sincerely believe that we can do it, we should have done it for a long time, but we have what we have

[user1212]

Quote: Romka47

have long been

Who put the 5th generation faster in the series? F22 - the first flight in 1990, entered service in 2005 for a total of 15 years. F35 the first flight in 2000, but when this whole epic is over it is not clear. Military tests began only in November 2018, and even then with restrictions. At the moment, 19 years old.
Su57 first flight in 2010, after 9 years a serial contract is being prepared. The state of the Chinese program raises too many questions ...
So what reason do you have to say that the plane should have been in the series for a long time?

[Armata T-14]

But there is no need to argue - the TTX F-35 is on the Internet. The possibility of long-term besforsadnoy supersonic is absent

[Greg Miller]

The light is really very close ... During this time, so much more can be promised, and so many times the postponement of time ... Especially since, according to the promises of 2010, the mass production should have begun in 2013 ...

[g1v2]

Su35 is being built at 10-14 units per year. Su30 reached 30 units per year. And they also work for export. Tch 76 su57 pieces for 8 years is a very real possibility. These are not promises of several hundred and so on. Three regiments of 2 squadrons is a very real task.

[210ox]

They built it in the hundreds of MIG15s in the USSR .. And the product we are talking about is of a completely different level. Yes, and industry capabilities are not comparable. It’s good that they planned for three regiments. They will work out the technology, the pilots will learn ..

[bayard]

Quote: g1v2

Su35 is being built at 10-14 units per year

This year 20 pcs. promise.

[g1v2]

Hardly . Unless with export.

[bayard]

Precisely, precisely, the director from Komsomolsk-on-Amur said the other day - this year they will give over the plan. Yes, and articles with interviews came out - when the bride was "how the serial production of the Su-57 is being prepared."

[Ardein]

And now the most interesting question, which few people recall ...
Who can name the number of airborne combat pilots capable of effectively using the Su-57 functionality?

And the second question: how quickly can the required number of pilots be prepared for at least these 76 machines? ...

[bayard]

So they have been prepared for a long time already - both in Lipetsk and at the Higher Military School (or right now is it called a military institute?).

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Greg Miller

The light is really very close ... During this time, so much more can be promised, and so many times the postponement of time ... Especially since, according to the promises of 2010, the mass production should have begun in 2013 ...

Brad, before the application of 2016 not met. I am also not satisfied with the terms, but do not lie.

[Civil]

United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is fully prepared

Ready? Let's start, how much can you pull, su-57 was needed at the beginning of 2000

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Civil

United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is fully prepared

Ready? Let's start, how much can you pull, su-57 was needed at the beginning of 2000

No, in 1941. I do not like screamers. It’s as if you don’t know what Russia was like in 2000. People had nothing to eat.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

It’s as if you don’t know what Russia was like in 2000. People had nothing to eat.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Civil

Let's start how much you can pull

Just waiting for the team from the couch. Now they will definitely begin.

[Lord of the Sith]

The first 10 will go with the engines of the first stage, the same engines put on the Su-35C. And the engines of the second stage have already gone into the series.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The first 10 will go with the engines of the first stage, the same engines put on the Su-35C. And the engines of the second stage have already gone into the series.

I heard from people who know that they differ in the same way.

[Lord of the Sith]

Aircraft turbojet AL-41F1S dual-circuit engine (item 117C) with afterburner and controlled thrust vector (UVT) of generation 4 ++, created by NPO Saturn by order of Sukhoi Design Bureau for Su-35S fighter, is one of the AL engine options -41F1.

The engine differs from AL-41F1 in the use of the old electromechanical control system and traction reduced by 500 kgf.

The AL-31F41S engine differs from AL-1F in increased thrust (14500 kgf vs. 12500), longer overhaul life (4000 hours against 1000), reduced fuel consumption, controlled by the thrust vector, and also allow the aircraft to develop supersonic speed without using afterburner, which is one of the basic requirements for a fifth generation fighter.

[Voyager]

Wikipedia excerpt from this is good, but these are not the same engines, but a deep modernization.

[Lord of the Sith]

This is an upgrade to the Su-35S. And the Su-57 will go, as you know, Product 30.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Sith Lord

engines of the second stage have already gone into series.

which ones? 41?

[Lord of the Sith]

Al-41F1 is the first stage, they were ordered 192 units until 2020, and I wrote for Product 30.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Sith Lord

and I wrote for Product 30.

DeZeOo! in the series ??? on Saturn?

[bayard]

So I am surprised. I hope this will be a pleasant surprise.

[Alf]

Quote: NEOZ

DeZeOo! in the series ??? on Saturn?

I work at Kuznetsovo. Last week, a girl with a guide came up to me, asked how I made part XXX, then we got caught in tongues and she said that she was from Saturn, there wasn’t much work, now they were hoping for some kind of Chinese order, and if they don’t sign it, they would stay out of employment.

[WILL]

Quote: Alf

Quote: NEOZ

DeZeOo! in the series ??? on Saturn?

I work at Kuznetsovo. Last week, a girl with a guide came up to me, asked how I was making part XXX, then we got caught in tongues and she said that ....

Well, you’ll read it straight
Detail xxx is from the 21+ category (adult movie) ??

[Alf]

Quote: ANIMAL

Well, you’ll read it straight
Detail XXX - this is from the category 21+ (adult movies) ???

If this is the only thing you are watching, then Yes.
Detail 156.821.031. Did this tell you anything? Or so you feel smarter?

[WILL]

It was, in My opinion, a completely harmless joke.
I did not expect you to be so hurt.

[Alf]

Quote: ANIMAL

It was, in My opinion, a completely harmless joke.
I did not expect you to be so hurt.

[WILL]

Mutually Colleague!

[Alf]

Quote: ANIMAL

Mutually Colleague!

Minus is not mine, correcting.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Alf

Detail 156.821.031.

I’ll clarify with colleagues, maybe they’ll sew some article to your case ...
did you sign the nondisclosure paper?

[Alf]

Quote: NEOZ

did you sign the nondisclosure paper?

No, Lavrentiy!

[Valery Valery]

On May 8, 2019, the former Moscow Region Serdyukov was elected Chairman of the Board of Directors of United Aircraft Corporation PJSC.

[provergatel]

And by the way, yes!

Maybe there, after his next scandalous dismissal, it will become clear in the 28th year, all of a sudden, suddenly, that we already have space aviation (I understand that it sounds clumsy, but so as not to paint for a long time) there is, as in 2014, the country suddenly surprised to find out that we, it turns out, have a modern army

[maximum 8]

Quote: MoJloT

The KLA confirmed its readiness to transfer the 76 Su-57 to the 2028 of the Russian Federation VKS

Damn well, the light is not close for 28 years, moreover, with what engines?

If deliveries begin from 2020 to the beginning of 2028, then this is almost 10 cars each year for 8 years. 2020 is closer than 2028, deliveries can begin this year and the contract will be completed by 2028. Think not about the year the contract was completed, but about the year the supply began.

[bessmertniy]

Well, for a good start with this order!

[Aerodrome]

Well this is how much you can "finish" the "Type-30" engine

[Artemiy_2]

Unfortunately, it’s a very long time without you. Now, if you were the chief designer ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Artemiy_2

Now, if you were the chief designer ....

Yes, and with a hacksaw ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Artemiy_2

Now, if you were the chief designer ....

Yes, and with a hacksaw ...

Better with brains. With and without hacksaws, there are many "workers"

[Ka-52]

Well this is how much you can "finish" the "Type-30" engine

quickly only cats will be born. He is now undergoing a bench test phase. And it’s not for you to blow your nose once or twice

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ka-52

quickly only cats will be born.

aha. and then, like fu 35, solid problems and the price is rising by leaps and bounds

[Romka47]

But with us, there is no plane, no problem.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Romka47

But with us, there is no plane, no problem.

In Lipetsk is already there.
Link above

[Romka47]

The answer was to the words: the more 35 build the more problems. so far we have only individual units which are in fact not even the 5th generation. Therefore, I say there is no plane there is no problem. That's when he goes into the series the way he should be and after that no +100500 problems will be revealed (and personally I believe in it, I dream about it more and for a long time), then you can compare it with F35, and then I'm sure we we will look better! But it will be when it is what we already dream about? Well, probably 18 years. And the mattresses at this time ...

[bayard]

Quote: Romka47

then you can compare it with F35,

With whom to compare?
The Americans themselves are now equal with the MiG-35 and no higher. Now any Russian 4+ is suitable for an air battle with him.

[okko077]

For what air combat? F35 and MIG-35 are sharpened for different air battles, how can they be compared ... Stop raving about close maneuverable combat, the F35 will not enter it, they are taught this there, they develop tactical techniques, this is not like we have continuous localism : do as I do" !...

[bayard]

When the first explosive missiles appeared, many generals also thought that "everything" could be forgotten about maneuverable combat ... the accident rate in units would decrease ... But the Vietnam War put everything in its place - the guns had to be returned to the aircraft.
Who will give the F-35 target designation for an attack? AWACS? Always whether he can. And how long will it live if everything is serious? Own radar? This is instant self-illumination, a dueling situation overflowing (with considerable probability) into close combat.
Remember the terms of reference for the 4th generation aircraft? This was based on the Vietnamese experience. High maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio, cockpit visibility, all-aspect missiles, powerful radar ... And a must-have gun. Remember the ammunition load of the Vulcan F-15?

[K-36]

Uv. propagandist. Can you tell me which parking lot on the L-2 is the Su-57? I'll be right tomorrow and see. If I see it, I will give you 100500 "plus signs"

[Lipchanin]

Quote: K-36

Can you tell me what parking lot on the L-2 are the Su-57?

Sorry, I don’t have access to L-2
I took the information from here.
[b] https://gorod48.ru/news/1822063/ [/ b
If confirmed, pluses to the journalist.
And it is unlikely that you will see him in the parking lot. They are most likely being studied in a hangar. It's really hot outside, at 40 degrees

[K-36]

Uv. Lipchanin. "I will tell you one clever thing, but do not be offended, please" (c).
"You are terribly far from / the people /", that is, the realities of the modern army.
Now any event in the unit, whether it be formation, physical training, shooting (and further on the list), is necessarily accompanied by photo and video filming. And on the same day, all these photo and video materials are sent to Moscow. So that, it means, "Tops" could know online what the subordinate units are doing today
There were NO "dances with tambourines" about the arrival of the Su-57 on the L-2!
Your journalist wrote a pompous crap, however, he delicately guarded him, not writing that interested persons will be trained on a new plane on a copy, located on L-2
Sorry for the good advice: do not spread unverified information. You can easily sit in a puddle.

[Lipchanin]

Now any event in the unit, whether it be formation, physical training, shooting (and further on the list), is necessarily accompanied by photo and video filming. And on the same day, all these photo and video materials are sent to Moscow. So that, it means, "Tops" could know online what the subordinate units are doing today

And are you looking at all this?

There were NO "dances with tambourines" about the arrival of the Su-57 on the L-2!

I see ... You were not invited ...

Sorry for the good advice: do not spread unverified information.

And proven, this is when you give the go-ahead?
Go to the parking lot ....
Search for SU-57

[Piramidon]

Quote: Romka47

But with us, no plane no problems.

What, they have not built a single one yet, they are not conducting tests, they are not preparing for serial production ...? What wilderness do you live in?

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Piramidon

do not prepare for serial production ...?

Ready for the series, it’s already like two serial are being assembled, one for sure.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Ka-52

Well this is how much you can "finish" the "Type-30" engine

quickly only cats will be born. He is now undergoing a bench test phase. And it’s not for you to blow your nose once or twice

two years of flight tests already, and plus another four years .... no .. it's not long ...

[Ka-52]

two years of flight tests already, and plus another four years .... no .. it's not long ...

prosperous Whitney and Pratt introduced their PW for 5 years. Ahh, I'm sorry that I bit ....

[Alex_You]

Quote: MoJloT

The KLA confirmed its readiness to transfer the 76 Su-57 to the 2028 of the Russian Federation VKS

Damn well, the light is not close for 28 years, moreover, with what engines?

The engine of the second stage, which will provide the Su-57 with supersonic cruising speed, will be put on airplanes from 2023.

[knn54]

"The contract SHOULD be concluded in the NEXT time" - amazes.

[Voyager]

Usually such things are timed to some kind of events like the MAX or the Army. I won’t be surprised if this year’s forum is announced.

[Alf]

Quote: knn54

"The contract SHOULD be concluded in the NEXT time" - amazes.

Two beloved concepts of our power-Must and Soon.

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

Quote: knn54

"The contract SHOULD be concluded in the NEXT time" - amazes.

Two beloved concepts of our power-Must and Soon.

Minusator, but isn’t it? How many formidable orders were already about to begin, already in development, almost ready, we are already concluding an agreement, and then ... the circumstances have changed, budget sequestration, a change in concept, or even simply and frankly, there is no money.

[Herman 4223]

And why they are not preparing the production of the Su-57 at the Irkutsk plant, what will it be like to do the Su-30 and Yak130? No one will need them in five years, the plant can get up.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Who said not to? PLUS more repairs and upgrades at the factory in Irkutsk.

[DPN]

Not a big deal, one plant will not have less trouble, thousands will close and LIVE.

[Artemiy_2]

one plant less

Are you talking about Antonov?

[pavelty]

In Irkutsk there are still Yak-152, MS-21 (though it is not clear yet how to sculpt it). Yak-130 and Su for export, many options ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Herman 4223

in five years they will no longer be needed by anyone; the plant can get up.

can MiG35 help them?

[Herman 4223]

MiGs are made by factories in Lukhovitsy and Nizhny Novgorod, ms21 was sort of going to be done in Novosibirsk. With the arrival of such machines as the su-57, the need for such machines as the su-30 to decrease, and they have already been purchased a decent amount, they have riveted in five years, and then what? Why not make an analogue of the su-30, on the basis of the su-57, a training course will be needed anyway. The production line of the plant must be prepared in advance, and not when the rooster pecks.

[elfik]

Of course, the generation of 5 aircraft ordered by the great countries of China and the United States is very far away, but 76 aircraft are also very happy, so much better than 0

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: elfik

Of course, the generation of 5 aircraft ordered by the great countries of China and the United States is very far away, but 76 aircraft are also very happy, so much better than 0

Do not forget that we have very rare applications of the concept of "away from home". It was before Syria. And in our airspace, where our air defense is far from being in Libya, this amount is enough.

[okko077]

It is not needed in its space .. This aircraft must first of all fulfill the function of an invisible reconnaissance aircraft, a plane for detecting and transmitting information and flying where it is impossible ... This is the main purpose of the 5th generation aircraft ... Our aircraft, if necessary, can be maneuverable battle, this will be his minor advantage over the F35. Key words: will и minor.

[NEOZ]

Quote: okko077

must fulfill the function of an invisible scout

AWAX ???

[okko077]

Yes, only AWACS glows like a Christmas tree ...

[Runoway]

No need to relate Chinese crafts to any generation

[Archivist Vasya]

Who understands - what a small hemisphere in front of the cockpit? And the second question - will this part protruding against the general background not negatively affect the EPR?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

what a small hemisphere in front of the cockpit?

This thing reflects enemy rays.

[Voyager]

Another thing reflects the rays. Station of optoelectronic suppression 101KS-O. One on the back behind the lamp, the other on the belly.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

The rays reflect another thing.

Yes, I was joking.

[Ka-52]

Reflects the rays another thing

it certainly does not reflect rays. Especially the "death rays". There, if I remember correctly, there is a laser suppression system (in other words, "blinding") of IR-GOS missiles.

[Voyager]

Of course, I answered rudely You said it right. The principle of operation is to detect the launch of a rocket and its accompaniment, as well as to suppress the guidance channel using a narrowly directed stream of modulated IR radiation.

[Ka-52]

Voyager (Andrey) Yesterday, 13: 28
Of course

I wonder with what the minusers disagree with, who have thrown us cons. What does 101KS exist in nature? Or with the principle of her work? Or with the fact that the earth is round?

[Dimas84]

OLS-35, optical-location station. The same on the Su-35, Su-30 installed. Will not affect

[Ka-52]

Dimas84 (Dmitry) Today, 12:48
OLS-35, optical-location station.

or rather, it's a bomb. If we talk specifically about "the thing that sticks out". BOM-35, not the whole OLS

[Voyager]

To be sure, the Su-57 does not have 35s, others are already. They have a higher range, and the complex itself is wider in the nomenclature of nodes, called "Atoll".

[Ka-52]

then the Su-57 is not the 35th

at 57 and the brains are already different, more advanced. not an ordinary "weaving"

[Voyager]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

Who understands - what a small hemisphere in front of the cockpit?

OLS 101KS-V. Like bulging devices on this plane is not one.

Quote: Archivist Vasya

this part sticking out against the general background will not negatively affect the EPR?

It will be negative. But not as negative as the lack of this device will affect the capabilities of the aircraft.

[voyaka uh]

This is a "telescopic sight". Radar add-on. It can be used to detect enemy aircraft ahead along the course and fire short-range explosive missiles.
It is bad for EPR. To reduce its EPR, the device body should be faceted, not rounded. It is not clear why this simple alteration has not yet been completed.

[Ka-52]

the case of the device must be faceted

This is an optical unit under the lacosapphire porthole cover. Have you seen the lenses of the binoculars faceted?

[voyaka uh]

I'm not talking about lenses, but about the case.

[Ka-52]

I'm not talking about lenses, but about the case.

so the biggest thing that sticks out there is a porthole.

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

To reduce its EPR, the device body should be faceted, not rounded. It is not clear why this simple alteration has not yet been completed.

Apparently because if you make it in the form of a prism or a pyramid, then its edges will give distortion. Optics, however.

[Cats]

[quotewhat is the small hemisphere in front of the cockpit? ] [/ quote]
OLS - optical-location station.

[Errr]

This OLS is an optical-location station, it helps the pilot a lot. Now, apparently, OLS-35 is being installed.

[Archivist Vasya]

Thank you once clarification comrades! Sorry that not everyone answered personally)

[Ka-52]

Archivist Vasya (Archivist Vasya) Today, 12:56 PM
Thank you once clarification comrades! Sorry that not everyone answered personally)

You all answered as on Wikipedia)) In fact, the OLS itself, its information processing unit (BOI-35) and the laser control unit, its PSU are under skin. And from the outside, only the optics block is visible, as I wrote above

[boathouse]

Shipbuilders promise in 15 years a nuclear carrier, here with the Su-57 is complete order. Oh, let's live!

[horus88]

it remains for tank builders to promise a thousand armatures by the year 27, then we’ll definitely break all

[Artemiy_2]

it’s just like you stop whining in the comments

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Artemiy_2

it’s just like you stop whining in the comments

Facts state.

[2 Level Advisor]

well .. it's noticeably harder than blaming everyone for nagging all the time ..

[Artemiy_2]

Facts state.

Not. I will write fsepropalo

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Artemiy_2

No.

So you have no facts. Like this. And I have them.

[Artemiy_2]

fsepropalo? The armata is cardboard, the su-57 will not fly, can not a bridge be built?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Artemiy_2

Armata cardboard, su-57 will not fly, the bridge can not be built?

Is that all you can squeeze out? Well, keep the answer.
In 1999, the CIA reported to Bill Clinton that Russia had become a raw materials appendage and did not pose any threat to the west.
In the zero years V.V. Putin, having soaked a couple of militants in the toilet, several times announced these militants amnesty with payment of money for the surrendered weapons.
Armata?

In recent years, foreign intelligence services refer to Russian military secrets as spoiled gourmets: they choose the most delicious “dishes”. For example, a fantastic tank "Black Eagle", which foreign designers never dreamed of. It is not surprising that the residents laid down Omsk Defense Plant like flags of a wolf. And finally went to the head of the technical bureau Alexander Sakova. He began to drag the supertunes behind the passage. Some of them cost $ 2 million, but Sakov agreed to $ 500.

https://www.tula.kp.ru/daily/22962/1308/

[Voyager]

To the topic, how does the issued by you?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

To the topic, how does the issued by you?

I answered the replica of Artemia. It hurts, he throws his hat high. Are we doing well in the state? Nonsense. I already have a job in the city and find a hell of a job. China, damn it, the plant built. Work for them?

[Voyager]

You see, Vladimir, I think your reaction is rather strange, because listing your problems in our country does not detract from the same nagging about armatures. Any whining, anyway. After all, if you look at the situation from the outside, then the news is really good. However, the reaction of people is exactly the same as to bad news. What is it that turns out that do not do it all bad?

[Orkraider]

What is it that turns out that do not do it all bad?

I agree with you, Voyager.
I don’t understand why it has become so fashionable to see only the bad and expose without seeing positive things?

2000, in the Country there was only one plant capable of manufacturing LDPE for energy.
There are already four of these plants in 2018, and two of them offer heaters with structural changes from the Soviet ones, which can increase overhauls and increase the surface area of ​​the stock.

2000, Nexann, Alfa-Laval rule in Russia, except for them the Saratov Sarzam and the TKZ come up with difficulty.
2018, about a dozen Russian factories, some of which were able to reproduce the technology of calculation and production of knurling, which at the sunset of the USSR were tested at the fuel and energy complex.

Moreover, for shell-and-tube maintenance, now in Russia, foreign firms with difficulties they compete in TT, and they get an advantage due to prices and methods of dishonest struggle (alas, the very corruption, its Western corporations call lobbying).

Comrades, can we finally, despite the fact that not everything is so joyful with us, will give credit to our successes?

In my city, you’ll already find work horseradish. China, damn it, the factory built

But after all, new industrial sites are opening, this is a fact. Just from my recent business trips to the above plants. Yes, there are foreign machine tools and old Soviet carousels, but people work, get experience. Counters work out the school.
Ekaterinburg:

Sredneuralsk

Chelyabinsk

[Orkraider]

Leningrad:

Yes, I want it and probably it’s better and faster, but the process is underway, I see and feel it visually, starting in 2011.
Yes, slowly.
But many of my acquaintances, production workers, were able to get up and hold on. They grit their teeth and make a lot of fire, but .. they work, and there are results.

[Mordvin 3]

Profit then foreigners leaves. That is, we, in fact, work on them. In my city there are enterprises in Germany, USA, Italy, now the Chinese have built a car factory near them. It is very interesting how it happened that the Chinese automobile plant FAV, built by the USSR specialists in 53 year (a copy of ZiS), works under public administration and successfully develops (more than one hundred thousand employees), and our ZIL bent. Are we more stupid than the Chinese? The Soviet people built the auto industry under Stalin.

[Orkraider]

Not going away.
Companies that wrote about belong to Russian founders and Russian capital.
That's why I pointed out above that if in 2000 everything went to the French and Germans, now it begins to remain in Russia.
During inspections, in addition to leases for land, real estate, laboratories, constituent, technology and technical cards, owners are also checked.
So do not go away.

The funny thing is that two factories are residents of Skolkovo and the EKB industrial park. Since then, I sent to consider Skolkovo a waste of time and money.

Even if they gave life only to these people, it’s not in vain. I saw THAT Reynoltz and THAT which stood before him. In terms of operating efficiency, Reinoltz has a 20% margin on the clean side, and it is 4 times less in size and metal consumption. Due to rolling, the resistance increased of course, on the inside (dirty) side, but due to a decrease in its dimensions, the total decreased, which will save on the pumping group if this is a new facility, or reduce wear on standing if it is an upgrade.

I note that this is achieved not only by applying knurling, that is, by applying production solutions, but also by engineering, calculations which are carried out directly for technological processes, depending on the required parameters.

And here their engineer is sitting, most of the young guys and girls, from 30 to 40, study partly, some worked at facilities in the Crimea and Tagil, gained experience.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Orkraider

Companies that wrote about belong to Russian founders and Russian capital.

It would be interesting to calculate the percentage of the company owned by our capital, offshore and foreigners. If the first ones outweigh the last two lines, then I’m happy to say that Russia is moving forward. But for some reason I can not believe this advantage. Even if state-owned companies are registered in offshore zones.

[Voyager]

Well, not everything goes to foreigners. Firstly, our workers receive salaries, and secondly, these industries pay taxes in our country. Still, this is a global practice. Look, all Korean and Japanese household appliances for our continent are made in Europe. The same Samsung refrigerators in Poland, a bunch of TVs. Apple is almost all assembled in China, like most electronics. By your logic, do Americans work for China, which takes all the profits? Of course, it’s better to develop your own, but you should not refuse such offers.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

Well, not all goes to foreigners. First of all, our workers receive wages, and secondly, these industries pay taxes in our country. Still, this is a worldwide practice.

I am writing about profits, and not about taxes and salaries. As for global practice, in the next branch I explained my position for two hours already. I did not convince, in my opinion, my opponent. In short, the essence is that if the whole world goes down into a well, then we don’t have to do the same. Globalization is the world's evil of capitalism, which has the goal of paying as little as possible to the workers.

Quote: Voyager

By your logic, do Americans work for China, where all the profits go?

Just the opposite. It is China that works for them, because Apple belongs to the Americans. The Poles work for Korean Samsung, and so on. And if the company is registered offshore, it means that we are working for a specific capitalist, who thus avoids taxes. I can explain this confusingly, but I apologize that the head doesn’t think much.

[Orkraider]

Briefly, the essence is this: if the whole world goes into a well, then we do not have to do the same. Globalization is the world evil of capitalism, with the goal of paying the workers as little as possible.

I support on 100%.
Capitalism is evil.

[Voyager]

Briefly, the essence is this: if the whole world goes into a well, then we do not have to do the same. Globalization is the world evil of capitalism, with the goal of paying the workers as little as possible.

Vladimir, here I completely and completely agree with you! The only question is how to deal with it. The world today is a web of interactions and it is spreading at an accelerated pace. We crawl even in this web rather slowly trying to catch up with something. And what will happen if we close the lid and, figuratively speaking, begin to boil in our own broth?) The question "how to be" remains open ...

Quote: Mordvin 3

I can confusely explain, but I apologize that the head is not really thinking.

Yes, everyone is tired, it's time to rest

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

Yes, everyone is tired, it's time to rest

Yes, no, I just celebrated my birthday for four days.

Quote: Voyager

The only question is how to deal with it.

Under the current system, I see no chance. Capitalism will always flow where production is cheaper. Even if state-owned companies are registered offshore.

[Orkraider]

Of course, it’s better to develop your own, but you should not refuse such offers.

Ага.
For any reason, one should not refuse to open joint ventures, even wholly owned by a foreign concern. Having studied the experience of others, even just those production cards and the assembly line, you can already draw conclusions and base your own, taking into accountbred from basurmanin experience

Even if the design school and patents are behind the cordon, the experience is priceless, and most importantly the people who get this experience, and who can be lured to themselves

[yehat]

I don’t understand one thing - why is the 28th year?
what, 10 cars a year are not capable of more?
the plane is already stretching prohibitively long, decisions in it become outdated.
10 years have passed after the first flight in Komsomolsk
the first consignment turns out, will go to aviation 18 years after the first flight?
This is generally what to call ????

[Voyager]

The usual practice of modern aircraft construction. So for everyone.

[yehat]

not everyone. In China, issues of production are resolved much more quickly.

[Voyager]

On paper, yes, but in practice, no. For example, brave Chinese took 0 years to develop engines, because they just bought them from us. That's efficiency So China is more likely an exception to the rule, especially since their 5th generation aircraft raise too many questions.

[yehat]

we have announced that the plane flies about 5 years testing weapons and other things
year already as they test in the air an engine of 2 stages.
you don’t have to develop anything or buy everything according to the relations ALREADY
you only need to release a series of products quickly and not too expensive.
or remind you how the USSR did this?

[Ka-52]

we have announced that the plane flies about 5 years testing weapons and other things
year already as they test in the air an engine of 2 stages.
you don’t have to develop anything or buy everything according to the relations ALREADY
you only need to release a series of products quickly and not too expensive.
or remind you how the USSR did this?

I have written about this more than once, but I will repeat it again: the Americans did their F-22 no faster: 1981 - the beginning of the program, 2001 - the beginning of deliveries. I hope you have a calculator in your household?

year already as they test in the air an engine of 2 stages.

again an empty concussion of air. The Pratov engine has been sawing for 5 years. During which the experimental batch of lizards was tested. And no one yelled at the Americans "Achtung! Everything is lost!"

[Voyager]

Do you know the unspoken law of three qualities in production? There are three key parameters: fast, high quality, cheap. The reality is that when you create a project or production, you always have to choose two parameters out of three. You say that you need to release a series quickly and not expensive ... you know, right? What does it come up with.
Moreover, it has already been said more than once that such a pace of work on a project is due to a limited budget. Engineers are trying to bring the plane to mind, for this there are long and exhausting tests to confirm the performance characteristics and debugging.

[yehat]

Quote: voyaka uh

On it you can detect ahead of the enemy aircraft

far not only on the course - it has a wide angle of coverage, in fact, in the front quarter-sphere it performs the functions of passive tracking, search and target designation at distances, say up to 60 km.
This is the next step compared to the helmet mount for the Mig-29 and a significant help in radio stealth.

[Spiridonovich2]

While China and the United States are designing sixth generation aircraft, having long armed their air forces with 5th generation aircraft. ten years later, we dream of putting into service a few dozen aircraft that are morally obsolete. And it’s not a fact that we will build them, it’s budget money, but they tend to stick to the raking hands of our managers. Yes, and where do we get the specialists from. Young and middle-aged people have long been abroad, while old people have died out. Another farce. Endless fantasies, and the result, we finish off everything Soviet and on that end.

[Artemiy_2]

You are mistaken. China and the USA are already designing star fighters like TIE fighter and x-wing. We are 20 years behind them.

Young and middle-aged people have long been abroad, while old people have died out. Another farce. Endless fantasies, and the result, we finish off everything Soviet and on that end.

I’m also going out into the street. And nobody there. Young and middle-aged people have long been abroad, while the elderly died out.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

only the optics block is visible

why is he not so small, this block of optics
and rightly say that something he is not very friendly with aerodynamics and the improvement of the EPR.

[Ka-52]

20cm Not small? Well, if you think carefully, you can come to the conclusion that the capabilities of the optical system directly depend on the size of the receiver.

and rightly say that something he is not very friendly with aerodynamics and the improvement of the EPR.

it would not be bad if these people cited data on the effect on aerodynamics and radar signature. Not finger-to-heaven statements

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

I have written about this more than once, but I will repeat it again: the Americans did their F-22 no faster: 1981 - the beginning of the program, 2001 - the beginning of deliveries. I hope you have a calculator in your household?

but do not lie
I’m not talking about the interval from the beginning of the program, but from the first flight.
we have the first flight of the demoprototype; delivery of the first series of 76 pieces; interval of 18 years
Americans have their first draft flight in 1991, the first flight has already been redone in 1993, and the delivery to the troops is 2004-2005. 2005-1991 =14 years and 200+ cars, and it WAS 10 years earlier than t50
and therefore more difficult. we have 18 years and 76 cars
Sorry, but the difference is very significant.

[Ka-52]

yehat (Sergey) Today, 14: 01

but do not lie

I do not lie, I bring specific data. And I do not arrange a booth like you here with statements far-fetched. I wrote to you that the period of R&D, testing and transfer of weapons to production from the Americans took AT LEAST time than ours. What is not clear to you in this phrase? And the possibilities of financing and production - so there is nothing to triple the roar, we do not have the budget of American GDP. You need not hysteria, but look soberly into reality.

[Ka-52]

10 years earlier than T50

about ten years already, so I generally precipitated. You are either less than 15 years old, or you have lain in a coma from 1985 to 2001. Can you explain to me how our design bureaus developed hundreds of different systems (from a glider to the elements of an SUV) if at that time the very existence of a design bureau was in question due to lack of funding?

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

I wrote to you that the period for R&D

this period is NOT discussed

Quote: Spiridonovich2

While China and the United States are designing sixth generation aircraft, having long armed their air forces with 5th generation aircraft. in ten years we dream of putting into service a few dozen aircraft that are morally obsolete

China can design as much as you like, but they come up with a very bad idea, basically repeat and improve what has already been created. Their main and American plus is a very fast introduction of development into production. You can break records in terms of R&D speed as much as you like, but if we make a series of aircraft many times slower, then we get no advantage.

[Ka-52]

While China and the United States are designing sixth generation aircraft, having long armed their air forces with 5th generation aircraft. in ten years we dream of putting into service a few dozen aircraft that are morally obsolete

do not quote other people's nonsense. At the 6th generation MFIs, there are not even technical requirements. Who is designing? Where is he designing? Do you sometimes think with your head. All design work is carried out ONLY according to the formed requirements that the MO exposes. At least ours, even Chinese, even American. And further, work on these TTs begins, first on the creation of prototypes. Then, from the companies that submitted the prototypes, the most effective ones are selected, with whom a R&D contract is concluded. With the financing of it, this stage. And then the design begins. And not that you have spread it with slogans on the podium

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

We must not hysteria, but look soberly into reality

ok sober you are ours
Su-34 was produced from the pace of 14-18 cars per year
Su-35 different series delivered 2009 pieces from 2018 to 102, an average of 11.5 per year
Su-30 was produced at a pace of 14 cars per year
all this in parallel, a total of roughly 41 per year
why when closing the release of the su-30, su-34, su-30, all of a sudden the su-57 can be released only at 76/9 = 8?
however, the Novosibirsk plant may be closed due to lack of contracts.
what did you see normal in this?

[Voyager]

Who said the closure of production of the Su-30, Su-35, and so on?
76 cars until the 28th year is more than originally planned and predicted for all recent years.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

Not finger-to-heaven statements

you do not engage in demagogy. Even a student understands that a bump on a smooth line of contours does not improve aerodynamics.

[Ka-52]

you do not engage in demagogy. Even a student understands that a bump on a smooth line of contours does not improve aerodynamics.

comrade schoolboy, the aerodynamics of an airplane is made up of hundreds of parameters. And such modern combat aircraft as the Su-57 or F-22 and even more so. No need to sculpt your amateur look here

[Armata T-14]

There is an error in the article. Even the 1st stage engine provides cruising supersonic. This is a common misconception that only the second stage is capable of it.

What else I want to say - 76 is already better than 16, but still not enough. Need at least a few hundred

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

comrade schoolboy, the aerodynamics of an airplane is made up of hundreds of parameters. No need to sculpt an amateur look here

your fellow student studied aerodynamics calculations 20 years ago at the university at the faculty of applied mathematics
I repeat, enough personal attacks and demagogy

[Ka-52]

your fellow student studied aerodynamics calculations 20 years ago at the university at the faculty of applied mathematics

apparently poorly studied. Or not that.
About 5 years KB together with MAI, Sib. NIA and TsAGI worked on lateral and directional stability, centering, mechanization of planes, vortex system and thrust-to-weight ratio. Dozens of contour options were worked out, calculations were carried out, tests in wind tunnels, on aerobatic stands of OKB and TsAGI. But yehat (Sergei) comes and says: "The aerodynamics of the guano glider, I know that for sure, since I studied applied mathematics at the university." Well, now it is fashionable. For a couple of likes and not so they say
ps yes, "mathematician", I almost forgot to ask you: in your class did you not learn that the BOM porthole is in the shadow of a vortex coming off the nose of the fairing?

[Zaurbek]

Probably they will also build Su35S at the same time? At one factory.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

No, well, I just don't understand: why is this the 5th generation? Simply: "I want a pepelats like the Americans"? At this stage of historical development, in the presence of all these F-22, F-35, J-20, Su-57, the overwhelming advantage is on the side of the MiG-31! So maybe it is worth releasing and modernizing IT to the best of its ability? Or again "technologies are lost"?

[The seventh]

76 over 8 years is a cannon, a breakthrough! .... it would be if no one knew about the implementation of all the May decrees of Twilight. In fact, there are some show-offs and 18 years of totally unfulfilled hopes and promises .. (

[yehat]

Quote: Voyager

Who said the closure of production of the Su-30, Su-35, and so on?

I said about the su-30 and su-34. their orders and production are being phased out.
Su-30 old versions remain in the price list for the poor, but only abroad, not for the aviation of the Russian Federation.

[signifera]

It seems to me that such a period (2028), in other words, never. Already everyone will forget about it, someone will not live. And someone may already have the 6th generation, and even the 7th.

[_Ugene_]

In this photo, the air intakes were specially covered so as not to spur the discussion of the large EPR because of them

[Voyager]

Those who do not know about radar blockers are discussing a large air intake vent.

[_Ugene_]

radar blocker efficiency is noticeably lower than that of S-shaped air intakes, which is why the Americans on the F-22 and F-35 use S-shaped air intakes, and it’s not clear whether they are there or not, these are radar blocks

[Ka-52]

F-22 and F-35 use S-shaped air intakes, and it’s not clear whether these radar blocks are there or not, this is just an assumption

straight or oblique air intakes are a compromise. S-shaped air intakes do not give a flow density, resulting in a drop in draft. But they have a higher tendency to resonant attenuation of the signal on the inner surface. The direct ones are spared the first, but require additional radar blockers. Something like this if it's easier

[_Ugene_]

Thank you, cap, finally clarified everything, I don’t even know how we would be here without you

[bars1]

Quote: Dimas84

OLS-35, optical-location station.

Not OLS-35, but OLS-50M

[K-36]

[quote = Lipchanin] [quote
И You are viewing it all
? Not. Sometimes I watch it with my own eyes (at events that interest me).
[quote] [/ quote]
I see ... You were not invited...
No one was invited, because there was no such event, alas ... Understanding that you are very far from the subject of aviation, I will tell you in the simplest form how new aeronautical equipment found at the airport is found. Lines the entire regiment with the removal of the banner of the regiment. The speeches of the superior commanders, the speech of the regiment commander, the press, television, photo correspondents ... All this falls into the newspapers (local ones, for sure). Rummage through gorod 48.ru. And you can easily find direct reports about the arrivals of the Su-30SM, Su-35S. And you will not find anything upon arrival of the Su-57 Moreover, I could send you a bunch of photos from such events, made by me personally (this is when photographing has not yet been prohibited). But, seeing your position in relation to the truth, I somehow got sick. Although I have already posted them on this resource (VO) (for example, General Kharchevsky "at the wheel" of a Su-35 with tail number 01.

[quote] Sorry for the good advice: do not spread unverified information. [/ quote]
And proven, this is when you give the go-ahead?
No, nothing depends on me here. This is decided by the person himself, based on the existing level of education, his conscience and respect for others.

Go to the parking lot ....
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This is the end of the dialogue with you, for, as I noted, "not feed the horse".
As Mikhail Zadornov used to say: "What a ... pity."
Let me take my leave

[Tuzik]

He probably won’t read your comment, it seems you didn’t press the answer button. But it was not because of this that I climbed in, could it not be such that since the aircraft is the newest, they decided to keep the arrival secret, without buildings, newspapers and photos, and is it really worth some kind of hangar?

[K-36]

Andrey (Tuzik) for you and for many, many interlocutors here at the military unit who do not have the possibility of direct communication with a specific airfield, I can give advice on checking the "shaky" information about the arrival of new weapons in military units. In the search bar of the browser you need to type (in the order, let's say "seniority"):
1. TASS. Section Army and defense industry. Having found this site then, it is possible (from OFFICIAL sources!) To find out all the military news of interest at least covering a two-week period of time.

[Tuzik]

Thank. But is there a chance of such a secret situation as I described?

[K-36]

Excluded! For the policy of the ruling elite consists precisely in the submission of such news. And precisely in order to divert attention from the internal problems of the genocide of one’s own people
Also excluded for technical expediency. Why study a test prototype in the troops if production vehicles will go to the troops? However, there are also other arguments regarding the military document flow. But I think that the first two are enough "for the eyes". Something like this.

[K-36]

Sorry, the site is buggy. I will continue:
2. Global adventure... On this site you are looking for the section "Aviation and others" (if you are interested in aviation news).
3. bmpd. Here's the news too (in about a week).
4. Balancer Forums... On this site, look for the section "Airbase Forums".

At these forums (2.3.4) worthy people communicate with specialized education and are often involved in certain events or in the design, production and release of military equipment. For the sake of truth, I will make a reservation that there are also characters who work "on their own wave" and therefore do not recognize any reasonable arguments (well, like that Lipchanina).
PS: From personal experience: a run on these four sites almost always allowed you to filter out "getting on", no matter what the motives were.

[Tuzik]

Clear. thank

[Ka-52]

(see how the headlights on cars do, they do not stick out, like a century ago, but are recessed)

don't try to argue about things that you don’t understand at all. You compare headlights with OLS. Do you even first think with your head what the azimuth overview is and what is the angle of the headlights of cars and what should be at the optical station. Lord, who am I writing this to? .....

twists

do you have at least a mathematical model for this vortex? No? Then this is another argument of the "finger to the sky" format

ESR deterioration

I have already read similar mantras about EPR, when one of the same "applied mathematicians" convinced me that the flashlight stand kills to death all attempts to "stealth" the Su-57

Dry himself does not know exactly how much this thing affects.

Of course, they are designers, not applied mathematicians of a 20-year aging period.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

no one yelled at the Americans "akhtung! everything is lost!"

when the Americans sawed the f-22, the USSR fell apart and no one expected anything like that in the next 15 years. There was no hurry.

[Ka-52]

when the Americans sawed the f-22, the USSR fell apart and no one expected anything like that in the next 15 years. There was no hurry.

oh what is the reason Sorry for thinking badly about your bitter favorite United States of America. This is all fools and thieves. and there they were just in no hurry. Everything is clear with you, expert in applied mathematics

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

about your bitter favorite United States of America

again sheer lies and assaults
did your parents abuse you in childhood?

[Ka-52]

did your parents abuse you in childhood?

I don’t remember when we were drinking at the broodershaft. What kind of "poking"? If it's a lie, counter-arguments. And so far, apart from splashes on the keyboard, there is nothing serious from you.

[yehat]

both the attitude to me and the answer. quite rightly in my opinion.

[Ka-52]

both the attitude to me and the answer. quite rightly in my opinion.

a strange concept of justice: insult and poke a person who has not done anything like this against you. Although I'm not even surprised. Your "expert-divan" tribe is such - it is ready to get into a fight, if hardly anyone has a different opinion.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

the torch kills to death all attempts to "stealth" the Su-57

EPR is collected from small things throughout the silhouette
a flashlight, dampers on the engine, OLS, something else like a pilot's seat - and it’s recruited
again you are trying to reduce everything to a cheap booth. Each trifle individually is a trifle,
but they can be collected with a noticeable amount.
here my car weighs 2 tons, although not even a business class. A Lada almost the same size is 2 times lighter.
And this ton is assembled from small things - there they put an electric motor, there a tenth of a millimeter thicker sheet of steel, there the wheel is larger in diameter, etc. Hundreds of terms.
and you tell me that, for example, remote turning of mirrors killed the weight of the car.
these are cheap and stupid jokes.
the same with aerodynamics. there they put an OLS, there the rocket is fastened on the outside, there the pylons create additional resistance, let the grilles on the air intake be miserable, but they also add.
all separately - negligible nonsense, but together already noticeable.

[Ka-52]

no need to introduce me into the world of your EPR fantasies. Or are radiophysics and materials science also sections that you studied 20 years ago? And don't be nervous and offend your opponent. It only says that you, realizing the weakness of your arguments, are trying to take me "by voice."

[yehat]

I don’t need you, just don’t run over unnecessarily.
and about radiophysics. studied, though it was given to us in a shrunken form - just for horizons.
And there was material science. There were a lot of things.
And the question is - if you are so versed in aerodynamics. You probably saw Lada 01 and 06 models. Due to which, on the 6-ke, the aerodynamic drag coefficient was improved by a third, have any ideas? After all, the overall silhouette remained the same.

[Ka-52]

the same with aerodynamics. there they put an OLS, there the rocket is fastened on the outside, there the pylons create additional resistance, let the grilles on the air intake be miserable, but they also add.

some kind of philistine. Sir, why do you get involved in a technical dispute in which there is no boom-boom? All the characteristics of Sukhoi have long been studied and worked out: lifting force, aerodynamic drag and aerodynamic quality, longitudinal, rotational and lateral static stability, integral pairing of the wing with the fuselage, placement of the engine nacelles under the bearing body, the formation of vortex flows and their influence on the stall of planes. ... and so on and so on and so forth .... At the same time, the aerodynamic quality of the Sushki is recognized by all, especially the pilots. Why are you starting to wrinkle your forehead and let the fog through your fabrications?

[yehat]

it’s you catching up the fog - you are talking about the disruption of the flow, and this has nothing to do with the list of what I wrote, because it is either UNDER the wing or in the central part of the body, and the flow that you indicated is on top of the wing. But at the same time you have the audacity to blame me for this.
By the way, maybe you can answer here, expert, why don't the winglets that are so popular now on Boeing and watermelons be put on dryers? This also contributes to not disrupting the flow, if we are already talking about it

[Ka-52]

But at the same time you have the audacity to blame me for this.

God forbid, blaming you))) I’m just wondering how you climb to argue with such a salad in your head

and the stream you indicated is on top of the wing

mathematician, flow stall is the separation of the laminar layer. It can occur on any plane. And not just above the wing

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

And not just above the wing

under the wing, the stall of the flow is of little interest to anyone, because main lift above the wing.
you again try to turn a topic into a booth
so answer at least once on a topic that you yourself have raised!
or do not understand? in my opinion it is.

[Ka-52]

under the wing, the stall of the flow is of little interest to anyone, because main lift above the wing.

it does not interest only experts in applied sciences. And the same Americans were very interested. Yes, so they made the F-22 so that its flat bottom also works to increase lift. Providing excellent aerodynamic quality for this machine. Like that
yes, by the way, did you cross out the vortex jets falling on the vertical tail? and meanwhile, such a parameter as track stability directly depends on this

[Ka-52]

By the way, maybe you can answer here, expert, why the winglets, which are so popular now on Boeing and watermelons, do not put on drying

on dryers, a respected expert in mathematical and other sciences, a vortex formed by the root influx prevents flow disruption.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

Providing excellent aerodynamic quality for this machine. Like that

no not like this. not at all like that.
Americans were interested in this question on f-117, this plane showed unexpectedly high lift in some flight modes. As they found out, vortices create additional force, but calculate
they could not process - there was not a single adequate model.
Sukhoi and Mikoyan also had a question - both made inflows to the wing (Su-27 and Mig-29), but they did not work as expected. The question also turned out to be an incorrect interpretation of the work of vortices.
The theory of this process was quickly developed by several groups of scientists in cooperation, including the Novosibirsk Institute of Mathematics, where my teacher worked.
Based on this theory, it was possible to fully describe and predict the operation of the process, which changed several profiles and influxes and wings. About 1988, the Americans stole this calculation method (this is my personal assessment, there are no facts). And the alteration of the f-22 between 1991 and 1996 included just aerodynamic alterations, taking into account the mastered new methods of calculating aerodynamics. The first prototype flew much worse and one even crashed. So, about your answer about the swirls from the influx. You answered, how to say, both true and false.

The vortices touch only part of the wing closer to the center, and they do not create a flow, but a vortex that is more efficient, the second part works differently and there needs to be an opportunity to stall the flow.
As a result, it turns out that ANYWHERE of that stable classical flow, about the failure of which we are talking about, is simply not on the drying wing. On the su-57, the scheme is somewhat more complicated, I do not fully know it, but the basis is the same.
Now answer yourself if you own the question. Note that I am constantly forced to comment on the topics that you yourself have raised that you choose. And I do not find a worthy understanding on your side.
Perhaps it’s enough to speak with a high one, for your height is somewhat exaggerated or you are lying again in the answers.

[Ka-52]

oh, I ask you to protect me from reposting materials from the Internet, without the slightest understanding of the essence.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

oh, I ask you to protect me from reposting materials from the Internet, without the slightest understanding of the essence.

what for reposts, they told us in the lessons and showed

[Ka-52]

what for reposts, they told us in the lessons and showed

Well, I’m writing to you about a vortex tourniquet that does not allow tear-off flows to develop and develop on a plane, and you write me right there

ANYWHERE of that stable classical stream about which breakdown is a speech

it means that you don’t even understand why you are writing certain words (namely words, not information)
you don’t even understand that the modes of flow around the wing plane are different at different modes and different speeds.

[yehat]

Quote: Ka-52

which does not give rise and develop tear-off

he does not do it. The end of the wing not affected by the whirlwind is NOT controlled by its presence nearby.
there are no sticking strips, like on the Tu-16 or Mig17 or on old airliners, nothing else that serves to stabilize the flow and this is no accident. After the 2nd alteration of the wing, this flow of the final edge became less significant and managed to return to the topic of super-maneuverability, making aerodynamics even less stable. I repeat - the stall is laid in the wing structure. He is not only not limited, he is NEEDED. Yes, what I'm saying, you probably don’t even know why and how many times the wing was changed.

[Ka-52]

I repeat - the stall is laid in the wing structure

stall is the loss of the wing's bearing capacity. Supermaneuverability (maneuvering at supercritical angles of attack) is precisely ensured by the fact that the flow does not stall on the wing and it "pulls".
In general, this is your transfusion from empty to empty. I don’t have time yet, sorry, work. I’m bowing to the sim