CHP - on brown coal! How in Siberia ignore the policy of the President of the Russian Federation

Eighth in the Russian Forbes list

Many Russian cities are reeling. As a rule, the causes of public discontent lie in the deterioration of the ecological situation, the unsatisfactory work of the housing and utilities sector, the pin-hole building, the disgusting condition of roads and health problems.

Novosibirsk, one of the largest cities of Russia, in this sense is a typical example of how the authorities in the regions not only refuse to listen to the opinion of citizens, but also actually ignore the instructions of the country's leadership.

At the end of last year, Novosibirsk was surprised to learn that in their city, which constantly occupies one of the first places in Russia in terms of the number of oncological diseases (and having a very polluted atmosphere), they shut up… environmentally friendly gas-fired boilers.

In 2018, the largest Novosibirsk CHP-5 was transferred from coal to brown coal. Instead of introducing cleaner technologies for generating electricity and heat at the stations of the Siberian Generating Company, the process is reversed. At the same time, three of the four large urban CHP are ready to work on gas: CHP-2 and CHP-4 completely, CHP-5 - partially.

The process of converting CHP-5 to cheap but more environmentally harmful brown coal was accompanied by an active information campaign. She had to justify in the eyes of the population "cost optimization", which began the new owner of Novosibirsk CHPs famous Russian billionaire Andrey Melnichenko. He is the eighth richest in the Russian Forbes list.

Power engineers with imagination and skill, worthy of a better use, constantly proved the ecological “advantages” of brown coal. Connected to the promotion of even popular artists.

15 June, the company SGK is holding "folk festivals" in the territory of CHP-5 on the occasion of the end of the heating season. The program includes tours of shops and coal storage, games for children and adults, a big concert and fireworks on the background of chimneys. The action has already received the unofficial name "to the mother-in-law for pancakes." SGK is trying to sweeten the pill so much to the citizens after the winter, which has become the record for the number of blackouts and hot water.

Among the Novosibirsk residents, a joke has become popular that the SGK company could, without doubt, convince to transfer heating of the Crimea resorts from gas to brown coal. Of course, to improve the ecology of the peninsula ...

The country switches to gas, and Novosibirsk - to coal

Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Samara, even the coal capital of Vorkuta and a number of large cities in central Russia continue to convert heating to gas. This is fully in line with the instructions of the President of the Russian Federation, which on March 12 of 2019 asked the head of Gazprom Alexey Miller to prepare proposals for increasing the rate of gasification within the country. Miller at this meeting promised to resolve the issue of complete gasification in 10 years.

According to Gazprom, of the 66 regions of Russia that participated in the gasification program in 2018, only ten (!!!) fulfilled their obligations completely. 14 subjects lag far behind planned work schedules, and five systematically fail to fulfill their obligations.

Looking at the situation in Novosibirsk, this state of affairs is not surprising. Local authorities in reality ignore both the initiatives of the federal center to increase the share of natural gas use and Moscow’s concern about environmental degradation and health in a number of cities, such as Novosibirsk.

Regional and city authorities actually refuse to follow the instructions of experts from the Russian presidential administration.

For example, last year, after complaints from residents of Novosibirsk, the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights (HRC) held a special visiting session on ecology and urban planning in this city. Following the discussion of the problems of the region, the Council promulgated its recommendations for the state bodies of the Russian Federation, the leadership of the Novosibirsk Region and Novosibirsk. They are published on 11 in February on 2019 on the HRC website.

Regarding air pollution, the HRO noted:

The level of air pollution in Novosibirsk is high: the average annual concentrations of suspended solids and benzo (a) pyrene exceed the MAC; the contribution of vehicles to total emissions is 59% [1]; The main stationary sources of air pollution are enterprises of the fuel and energy complex (CHP-2, 3, 4, 5), as well as industrial complexes. Despite the closure and refurbishment of most coal-fired boilers, the city still has about 30 coal-fired boilers ...
To take effective measures to reduce air pollution, it is necessary to: reduce emissions of pollutants from thermal power plants and motor vehicles, quota emissions and encourage reduction of pollutant emissions by business entities and improve public awareness about the state of atmospheric air.

The interests of the oligarch Melnichenko in priority

Unfortunately, local authorities seem to have ignored these recommendations. And instead of expanding the area of ​​green zones is a sharp reduction. The Novosibirsk Mayor's Office together with the Council of Deputies tirelessly stamps building permits in the few remaining green oases of the metropolis, ignoring the mass protests of citizens.

The last glaring fact was the permission for building on the territory of the Kirov Park in the Leninsky district. Moreover, the deputies approved this construction the next day after a mass protest in defense of the park.

The HRC experts confirmed the validity of the complaints of the citizens of Novosibirsk about numerous environmental violations of local authorities, in which corruption signs of lobbying the interests of developers are seen. They also found that progressive degradation of forests occurs in the territory of Novosibirsk with a constant reduction of their area.

In addition, as the HRC experts write,

... in the public domain there are no operational, complete and reliable data on the whole range of hazardous substances, the sources of these substances in the atmosphere, their impact on public health and the measures taken ...

The HRC stated:

In 2018, Siberian Generating Company publicly announced plans to transfer Sibeko's controlled energy facilities, in particular, Novosibirsk CHP-5, which provides more than half of the city with heat and energy, to use non-design brown coal instead of previously used hard coal.
Among the public concerns associated with this project is the unsuitability of industrial boilers designed for the use of coal, which, due to different parameters of brown coal, will lead to changes in the volume and quality of atmospheric emissions from CHP. Among the possible consequences of the stated changes are increased emissions of pollutants, in particular sulfur compounds, as well as a set of problems associated with the delivery, unloading and storage of brown coal.

In fact, such an important and authoritative body, as the Council under the President of the Russian Federation on the development of civil society and human rights, warns the Novosibirsk authorities about the extremely negative consequences of the transition to brown coal, and they simply do not pay attention to it. And where, then, is that very “vertical of power”?

And it remains only to guess what causes the touching concern of the authorities of Novosibirsk and the region to improve the financial indicators of the FGC. Why do they keep a truly Olympic calm, looking at what is happening?

After all, if we compare the state of Novosibirsk ecology with the state of a patient with a stroke or a heart attack, then for her the transition to brown coal is the same as for such a patient drinking several liters of natural coffee every day ...

But that's not all. The supplier of brown coal at the Novosibirsk heat and power plant is the Kansko-Achinsky open-pit mine “Borodino” of the SUEK company, owned by billionaire Andrei Melnichenko. If, upon shipment from a quarry, one ton of brown coal costs about 350-450 rubles, then after delivery to Novosibirsk, its price increases several times. The high cost of transportation (in Soviet times, it was considered economically unjustified to transport lignite outside the region) was included in the tariff for the population. In this sense, the position of the Tariff Department of the Novosibirsk Region, which does not object to the gigantic costs of transportation of brown coal included in the heat tariff for the population, is very interesting.

Prioritizing the commercial interests of Mr. Melnichenko, the West-Siberian railway is forced to literally “hammer” Transsib with coal. So, following the results of 2018, she transported more than 300 million tons of cargo. Of these, about 80 percent accounted for just the transportation of coal ... After all, now brown coal from the Borodinsky open-pit mine near Kansk is transported over a distance of more than 1000 kilometers to Novosibirsk.

This happens just when the federal center repeatedly raises the question of increasing the capacity of the only railway connecting the West and East of Russia in order to use it for the transportation of international cargo. But, as they say, things are still there, since, probably, the interests of the FGC and SUEK in this case are above the state ones.

And the more they are higher than the ecology and health of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk, forced to breathe the products of combustion of brown coal.

In accordance with the law of state capitalism, profits in the country are privatized, and losses are nationalized. In our case, the state covers only part of the losses from the FGC in Novosibirsk, increasing the cost of treating cancer patients in the city.

For the next five years, the region will receive 11 billion rubles for these purposes from the federal budget. A new multifunctional center for the early diagnosis and treatment of cancer is being created in Novosibirsk.

So it turns out, if we calculate the cost of heating gas in Novosibirsk, it will be much more economically beneficial for the country and the population of the city. But here the interests of the oligarch diverge from the state and the people. And the will of Moscow is obviously not a decree here, because Mr. Melnichenko should use coal from coal mines bought at a cheap price somewhere ...

Comments

[Durman_54]

And not a word that the "power" in Novosibirsk is the mayor of the city - the communist Lokot. An ignorant reader can rightfully accuse edro and once again curse the guarantor.
This is how propaganda works. Reducing the quotient to the general.

[polar fox]

Quote: Durman_54

And not a word that the "power" in Novosibirsk is the mayor of the city

the power in quotation marks is symbolic. the mayors have long been deciding nothing.

[Siberian]

Yes, but the governor of the Novosibirsk region is edros Travnikov, who after the election said that he looked, figured and decided that there was no need to build a new cancer center. And there are so many. HE DECIDED! There was no information about coal. Would not read here, would not know. Housing is being built with us, probably for the whole world, in every gateway, in every hitch - at home. We and the population is not so much. There were no yard grounds, skating rinks, vacant lots, but children's color complexes (a gift from a deputy) for children, as if they only exist up to 4 * 5 years. And the elders no longer need anything.

[Nastia makarova]

houses for someone who is building the same, who invests in construction wants to sell apartments

[Greg Miller]

We’ll not eat everything as if under the tsar’s, but we will take it out and sell it ...

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Tell your granny that there is little chance of overthrowing Assad, let him not worry, at her age it is harmful!

[dinis]

That's right, this grandmother doesn’t want Gazprom to drastically reduce tax payments to our state. I noticed that Greg Miller smells very bad from you. By the way, do you care under whose control Syria will be?

[New Year day]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

who invests in construction wants to sell apartments

in order to sell something, someone has to buy. In the suburbs not purchased up to 30% of housing built

[Nastia makarova]

why build then? investing money?

[New Year day]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

why build then? investing money?

grandmothers have to invest. Maybe someone will buy it.

[Nastia makarova]

what kind of businessmen who are randomly investing?))) well, at least they build here and do not carry bags over the hill

[New Year day]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

what kind of businessmen who are randomly investing?)))

Is it just businessmen? Anyone who has money invests it in something. Do not carry it to the bank? % on deposits is now about 7. Real inflation is the same, prices for building materials are rising, S also went up. The purchasing power of the ruble is decreasing. So investing is saving money. Maybe invest in foreign banks, but not everyone can. Although capital export is growing

[Nastia makarova]

it is written that people do not buy apartments, new houses are empty

[New Year day]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it is written that people do not buy apartments, new houses are empty

someone buys, and someone does not. So a family from Omsk moved to us. They bought. And who has less money, bought their apartment in Omsk. People, the concept is blurry. Medvedev is also a people and he buys in Italy

[Nastia makarova]

it means you have a lot of work in the city

[vm-bt]

This is an inflatable bubble. Banks have money. Money is a liability. The passive needs to be invested somewhere. Now there is nowhere else, except in the construction of housing. This is a lot of money, but nothing ... The profit will be from the repayment of debts of unfortunate mortgages. Soon there will be only 2 ancient professions - a lawyer and bred. Even the Third Profession is already past ...
I live in Novosibirsk. Every day I look at numerous construction sites. BUT - except for construction projects, in N-ke of the economy - zero ...

[demo]

You are absolutely right.
Propaganda - she is!
And it works tirelessly!

And they did not take the trouble simply to read open sources.
Where is written about this sensible businessman.
Read about his family.
About his early years.
No?
Then let me tell you a little bit.
And I will give explanations.

"Andrey Igorevich Melnichenko (born March 8, 1972, Gomel, Byelorussian SSR, USSR) - Russian businessman, industrialist and philanthropist."
And there is not a single word about his parents.
No names and patronymics.

"The boy grew up in an intelligent family of teachers. Andrey's father is a physicist, and his son followed in his footsteps. Melnichenko had a penchant for the exact sciences. After Andrey won the Olympiad in physics, Melnichenko was taken to the most prestigious physics and mathematics school in the USSR. The boy moved to Moscow to study. "

Why tell me?
Just wondering.
Whose boy will be of?
Most likely not from ours.
Okay.
Come on.
Entered.

"After leaving school, the question of a university was not raised - Andrei Melnichenko entered the physics department of Moscow State University. True, after a couple of years the young man felt that times were changing, and he transferred to the Plekhanov Academy."

Oh well.
The guy decided that it is better to count money, for the benefit of himself, than digging in numbers for three pennies.
Not a crime.

"Andrei was enterprising and intelligent from childhood. In one of the interviews, the businessman's grandmother recalled how she went with her grandson to the Tretyakov Gallery. There was a long line at the entrance, then Andrei realized and joined the line where foreigners were standing. After 5 minutes, the grandmother and grandson were already considered the masterpieces of Russian painters ".

Also not a crime.
But indicative.
Ignoring the legal rights of others is the first.
Hypocrisy and impersonation of those for whom the law stipulates otherwise than you.

I will retreat.
I was also disgusted in my youth that foreigners go out of turn where we are the masters.
And we have to stand in lines.

But impersonating a foreigner never crossed my mind.

"Melnichenko started doing business in his student years. Together with Mikhail Kuznetsov and Evgeny Ishchenko, he opened a travel company" Sputnik ", then decided to sell office equipment. In the same 1991, the partners opened a currency exchange office, which worked until the end of 1992. Then came out the law on licensing foreign exchange transactions. Then the partners started looking for a bank to continue the exchange business. They found a small Premier bank, opened the first, then the second exchange points. ...
Now remember who opened the banks and how?
Who covered?
Think everything is clear?
“In the spring of 1993, Andrey Melnichenko registered the financial and credit company MDM and received a license. From this moment, the period of ascent in the professional biography of the entrepreneur began. First, exchange points appeared in Moscow, then in St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk. By the end of the year, MDM acquired a banking license by merging with Converse Bank. At the same time, Andrey Melnichenko received the position of manager. Under the leadership of Andrey Melnichenko and Sergey Popov, industrial groups were organized - SUEK, EuroChem, Pipe Metallurgical Company, as well as the Rinako investment campaign.
Hope it’s clear that it’s not possible to earn serious money at a small exchange office.
It was necessary to share the profit with many.
So who gave the money to the young entrepreneur?
Question!
“At the beginning of 2001, the MDM group expanded its scope of activities. Andrei Igorevich began to actively buy up the shares of promising coal enterprises, among which were Vostsibugol, Chitaugol, Khakasugol, Sakhalin Corporation, and Dalvostugol. The management of the companies was entrusted to the Baikal-coal Siberian Coal Energy Company, whose head was appointed Oleg Misevra, the former director of the Kuznetsk Ferroalloys Kemerovo plant from the MDM structure.
See how actively investing in his company.
It is a pity for his time to dribble on the Internet and look for strings of his connections.
Although I think he tried to clear his biography of compromising data.
“In 2002, Melnichenko put up for sale half of MDM's shares; Dmitry Pumpyansky bought the company’s stake in TMK in 2004.
In 2004, the MDM group was liquidated, and after 3, Melnichenko sold shares of the bank of the same name to Sergey Popov, focusing on the industrial sector. In the same period, Melnichenko became the main owner of EuroChem, with a stake of 90 percent. EuroChem is Russia's largest producer of mineral fertilizers. ”

And this is called so - the guy is tired of sharing the profit of the article who invested in it.
"The chick stood on the wing."
“Since the 2007 of the year, Andrei Igorevich took over as chairman of the Commission of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs in the Mining Complex.
The interests of Andrei Melnichenko still include the Siberian Coal Energy Company and the Siberian Generating Company. Already in the 2011 year, 92,2 percent of the shares of both belong to the billionaire.
A businessman is betting on the creation of leading companies. The entrepreneur eliminates possible risks by building a promising management system.
Andrey Melnichenko is one of the largest benefactors in Russia. Data released by Bloomberg. In 2016, the entrepreneur received an award for his invaluable contribution to charitable and social activities in the year XNUMX, the distinction "For Good Deeds."
Andrei Melnichenko is married to ex-model and singer Sandra Nikolic, who is younger than her husband by 5 years.
The oligarch’s wife was born in Yugoslavia, brought up in a wealthy family. She is the only daughter in the family, she never knew anything about failure. Sandra's father is a sought-after architect, mother is an artist. Perhaps that is why Sandra Nikolic is so sensitive to beauty.
In one of the interviews, the girl admitted that she met Andrei Melnichenko in a villa with friends in France. Then Sandra was "blonde with sunken cheeks and bones, covered with skin." Since 15, Sandra has been involved in the modeling business. Over time, the figure of the girl became feminine, but the passion for fashion and beauty did not go away. Sandra Nikolic is a supporter of a healthy diet and teaches this family. Wife Melnichenko jokes that even a dog in the house eats carrots with pleasure. ”

I don’t know who - how, maybe beautiful.
I have a different view of female beauty.
But no matter how very appealing appearance.
Something reminiscent of an actress who played a girl with low social responsibility in the series “Capercaillie”.

“Andrey Melnichenko is an esthete, loves luxury and beauty. The subject of ongoing discussion is the entrepreneur’s yacht with the laconic name “A” (based on the first letter of the oligarch’s name). A sea ship is a real work of art. The yacht was designed by Philippe Starck, having thought over the design and accessories to the handles in the cabins. Western media enthusiastically wrote that one doorknob was pulling $ 40 thousand. The yacht has 14 bedrooms, the size of the vessel is huge - 120 meters in length. The billionaire's yacht is considered one of the best in the world. Every year Melnichenko spends $ 20 million on maintenance. ”

Well, where without a steamer?
Status, however.

But this is not so important.
And now we go to the website of Siberian Generating Company LLC.

The Siberian Generating Company Group (SGK) is an energy holding company operating in the Altai Territory, Kemerovo Region, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Novosibirsk Region, the Republic of Khakassia and the Republic of Tuva.
The main activities are the production of heat and electricity, the transfer and supply of heat and domestic hot water to consumers. The group consists of four state district power plants, one thermal power plant and eighteen thermal power plants with a total installed electric capacity of –10,9 GW and a heating capacity of 23,9 thousand Gcal / h, as well as heating networks with a total length of 9 624 km, repair and service companies, and the largest management company in Krasnoyarsk.
SGK stations account for about 23-25% of the heat and power generation of the Siberian energy system. The headcount of SGK Group companies is 32,8 thousand people.
Full name - Siberian Generating Company Limited Liability Company, abbreviated as SGK LLC.
The head office of the company is located in Moscow. Since November 2018, the company has been led by Stepan Aleksandrovich Solzhenitsyn. ”

Oh la la!
Familiar and iconic surname.
The son of the great Russophobe, educated in the United States, formed as a person in the same place.
For some unknown reason, his father became an idol for our president.
And this offspring also commands this crap, which so calmly “puts” on all decrees and resolutions.

Those.
It takes 15 minutes to understand - and for whom they keep us.

[Beringovsky]

demo
for no apparent reason, became an idol for our president

Why is it incomprehensible? Who is smarter, have long understood that our "guarantor" is just a screen, a beautiful showcase for the oligarchy. And not a "friend" of the people. Hence the malicious anti-Sovietism and vulgar and stupid attempts of "Tsarification" 2.0, and so on. crap. You just have to wait for this simple truth to reach the majority, and it will certainly come.

[demo]

Those who are smarter have long understood that our "guarantor" is just a screen, a beautiful showcase for the oligarchy.
You have elegantly screwed up about the "beautiful window".
The guarantor will like it.

[Sergey Sergeev_4]

And you had to write so much to make such a dubious conclusion, to put it mildly?

[parma]

Quote: Durman_54

And not a word that the "power" in Novosibirsk is the mayor of the city - the communist Lokot. An ignorant reader can rightfully accuse edro and once again curse the guarantor.
This is how propaganda works. Reducing the quotient to the general.

And not a word about the technical side of the issue, the transfer of such an enterprise as a thermal power plant from coal to gas ... I certainly understand that a journalist is not a technical specialist, and even more so an energy specialist, but you need to understand the amount of work ... Translate such a colossus into gas is tantamount to building a new enterprise .. There, all the equipment is scrapped (the steam installation needs to be converted to steam and gas, others are now lowering, the government has decided the same) ... So yes, propaganda works that way - the words are divorced from reality, because no one doesn't do (understand that no one will ask for the result, maybe, initially a talking room)

[Blanket]

The boilers remain old, gas burners and an internal gas pipeline are mounted, coal supply is partially dismantled. Relatively small infusions. I have been working in this field for over 25 years. Gas-steam also mounted, but it's from scratch.

[parma]

Quote: Pike

The boilers remain old, gas burners and an internal gas pipeline are mounted, coal supply is partially dismantled. Relatively small infusions. I have been working in this field for over 25 years. Gas-steam also mounted, but it's from scratch.

Since we are colleagues, we must understand that only the housings remain from the boilers (change convective beams, economizers, etc.) there will be no burners (they will stand in the gas part of the CCGT, otherwise it is impossible according to new requirements), the air intake is new, the gas half must , the heat exchangers, if not change, then sort out exactly, the coal industry for demolition together with the cleaning system (and by the way it must be made a new one so that the acid does not eat the pipe + air filters), it is necessary to pull the gas pipeline (and not a small one, do gas workers nearby, or is there an "individual tariff" and "joining" of the thread), it is necessary to install hydraulic fracturing, and reserve fuel (and this is diesel, fuel oil will not work)? What about a coal mine? There, too, they will not pat on the head for a reduction - this is unemployment, but as a rule, a mine is a city-forming enterprise

[miner]

The article says that coal is transported from the quarry. There the number of people is much smaller than at the mine. In Soviet times, as far as I remember, it was not supposed to carry low-quality, brown coal, as Melnichenko does. Stations were built on coal deposits.

[avia12005]

Gas pipelines to the Novosibirsk CHP-3,4,5 are connected. Only CHP-2 without them. 3 and 4 are ready to work completely on gas, 5 - partially.

[aglet]

Quote: parma

since we are colleagues, we must understand

and what, coal can not be left? you need it under the brown, so cheaper?
and in any case, it will be cheaper to remodel gas than build a new one, but it’s necessary to invest your money, but it’s a pity

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Actually, as I know from the long past cooperation with power engineers, coal dust for boiler burners was planned only as a reserve fuel in case of unforeseen situations. If you take advantage of it, it means that not everything is sweet with them. Star to Huber!

[parma]

Quote: SHURUM -BURUM

Actually, as I know from the long past cooperation with power engineers, coal dust for boiler burners was planned only as a reserve fuel in case of unforeseen situations. If you take advantage of it, it means that not everything is sweet with them. Star to Huber!

In the energy sector, if coal is used, it is used as the main fuel (you would see the size of the coal economy and know how many problems there are), as a backup, diesel, fuel oil acts ...

[SHURUM -BURUM]

In the Volga region and from fuel oil refuse. Everything is on gas. And dust - well, just an extreme reserve.

[KCA]

In our city, two gas-fired boiler houses have railroad tracks, fuel oil tanks and a coal warehouse, emergency stock, why should all this be kept if transferring from one type of fuel to another hellish problem?

[parma]

Quote: KCA

In our city, two gas-fired boiler houses have railroad tracks, fuel oil tanks and a coal warehouse, emergency stock, why should all this be kept if transferring from one type of fuel to another hellish problem?

If they supply social. significant objects must have a reserve - the law ... I have not heard about coal as a reserve fuel, fuel oil yes - but it has a lot of problems (thickens) - you need to warm it all the time, check the condition, periodically (once a year and a half) burn and buy new ...

[KCA]

I don’t need to hear about coal, hangars with coal from the street can be seen, railway access roads were updated several years ago, not gas, but they carry it

[yehat]

I want to speak out. He lived in Krasnoyarsk-45. There is a thermal power station. Near the cut with brown coal. Coal is fired from Europe - driven from afar. Why am I writing this - average salaries after optimization of a rich ECP plant in the city fell to 15-20 tr. They pay for heat in different ways. But with such a low salary, even giving 1000 per month for heating is not enough. Switching heating to brown coal will at least halve heating bills and make it safer to store supplies for the winter, the city will be able to do something for itself, without having to reserve too much for the purchase of coal. CHP about 12 km from the city
And who cares about the environment? In addition, a competent technologist can greatly reduce waste. And such a transition for the locals is a completely normal step. Gas will never be carried there NEVER (transported by car). So brown coal is not necessarily a bad thing.

[minus]

The conversion to brown coal will only reduce the cost of gigacalloria .... The selling price will not decrease, but rather increase .... The population will not benefit .... And all the profits will go to Hong Kong and Cyprus offshore, in which the companies are registered Melnichenko .. ..

[aglet]

Quote: yehat

Converting heating to brown coal will at least halve heating bills

the transfer to brown will cut the costs of the heater by half, you both paid your thousands and you will pay

[ssergey1978]

Business should not touch upon vital topics such as defense, security, natural resources and transport. The business is not capable of working there.

[Den717]

Quote: ssergey1978

Business should not touch upon vital topics such as defense, security, natural resources and transport. The business is not capable of working there.

And who is capable? Forgot cards in the country of tips? Primitive reason. Business should work in these sectors, but should work according to the rules (laws) that provide both motivation for the movement of the economy and the achievement of state goals. A return to war communism will give nothing but problems.

[ssergey1978]

Cards in the USSR were because the union contained half the world of the Holodrons and waged wars. Over the natural resources, the military-industrial complex and transport, there was a hard control of the military industrial complex as this is the basis of the country's survival. And business cares about the profits of its own pocket. Why do they need Russian security at the business passports and at home abroad? My opinion is only 100% state participation and tight control. Failure to plan or theft of a prison without options.

[Den717]

Quote: ssergey1978

Cards in the USSR were because the union contained half the world of the Holodrons and waged wars

Well, yes, how ?! And the new ZAZ, which cost less than a five-year-old from the hands, is also half of the world of hicks? The United States maintains a bunch of its "allies", finances wars continuously, and at the same time manages to build the first economy. Can you name at least one country that, with a 100% state economy, would achieve success comparable to 1? Not so simple....

[naidas]

Quote: Den717

The US contains a bunch of its "allies"

And the United States also has cards: from 1939-1943 and from 1961 (64) until today.
At the end of the 90s of the XX century, paper coupons were replaced by debit plastic cards circulating in a special EBT system, and therefore in 2008 the mention of coupons disappeared from the name of the program.
As of October 2016, 43 people received food assistance

[Den717]

Quote: naidas

As of October 2016, 43 people received food assistance

Perhaps these 43 people are terribly exhausted from hunger! Horror !!! Where are they hidden from TV? In any video about the United States, only mammoths walk and women who resemble dinosaurs standing on their hind legs. Some of our working and receiving wages in terms of the amount of calories received are not next to these "orphans".

[naidas]

Probably with the cards, Gorbachev was terribly exhausted by hunger.
But in the USA there is a problem of the poor, they are trying to somehow solve what politicians are, what are public figures.

Quote: Den717

by calories

That’s for sure, in the United States much earlier than Russia, one chemist could feed a crowd of people who wanted to.

[Den717]

Quote: naidas

Probably with the cards, Gorbachev was terribly exhausted by hunger.

You won’t believe it, but you looked much slimmer than the current poor Americans

[Beringovsky]

much slender now poor Americans

Yes, they looked normal, healthy people. Which in essence they were.
And not sick fatty trusts.

[Den717]

Quote: Beringovsky

Yes, they looked normal, healthy people. What in essence were

Yes. And from this normality, they put the country on the ears, and then completely ruined it. The mood to take off in national apartments from a good and well-fed life is not born.

[Beringovsky]

Who put it - a little Demshiza in Moscow and a bunch ofлknapsacks upstairs, like Best German of the Year Or the best foreign minister?
With IVS, they would all immediately find themselves at the wall for sabotage and wrecking. And everything would have worked out right away, after the healing pendals of the elite.

[Sergey Sergeev_4]

These are completely different things.

[Kochegarkin]

Quote: Den717

Forgot cards in the country of tips?

And remind me in what year in the country of councils cards were for heat, hot water and light?!?!?!?! ????
and for anything else the cards when canceled in the postwar years ????????
You my friend provocateur !!!!!
blatantly lie about the land of the Soviets !!! yes, there were difficulties with some categories of food, the Moskovskaya sausage was not in stores, my mother stuffed me with pork, beef, rabbit and turkey meat from a private courtyard, in its pure form (in the sense of preparing dishes from meat, and the courtyard was not ours, older relatives), and sausages and wieners (my children grew up on this product only, horror ... and this is your vaunted capitalism)
what were the problems with? My mother bought pantyhose for me for half the night, stood in line, it was ... my children grew up in "Chinese" consumer goods, it would be better if I stood in line at night for cotton tights than buying synthetic consumer goods without money ...

Quote: Den717

should work according to the rules (laws) that provide both motivation for the movement of the economy and the achievement of state goals

But what do you know about the laws of economics in the capitalist system?
and do we not happen that the main law for capital is profit-making, or better than profit in the shortest possible time, what interests of the state can be discussed ???????

YOU AT ALL WHAT IT IS! ??

You were clearly told that a person in 10 years of "work" (although what kind of work it is) bought himself a yacht, which you will not even be allowed to see, not that to go aboard ....

and how was capital accumulated in such a short time?
You asked yourself this question, just yourself, because you can lie to others, who lied to yourself - he loses everything !!
and when you become honest with yourself, then you will understand - he is a thief, and the thief must be in prison! I said...

[Den717]

Quote: The Stoker

in what year in the country of councils cards were for heat, hot water

You, my dear, are just having a fever ... You calm down.

Quote: The Stoker

brazenly lie about the country of advice !!!

Well, what's the lie? You don’t breed paranoia here. Does the communist past keep you awake? Well don't return it anymore. Why bother own wounds? You better tell who this

Quote: The Stoker

a person in 10 years of "work" (although what kind of work it is) bought himself a yacht, which you will not even be allowed to look at, not to go aboard ....
and how was capital accumulated in such a short time?

These are all former party and Komsomol activists. You and me sang all sorts of crap about "a new community - the Soviet people ...", and meanwhile they themselves were taking up starting positions to seize "fixed assets." It seems like a literate person, but when you ask

Quote: The Stoker

What interests of the state can we talk about ???????

I think you don’t understand the topic of discussion at all. Your emotions go ahead of the mind. Therefore, I omit all other questions of yours ...

[Kochegarkin]

Quote: Den717

Your emotions go ahead of the mind. Therefore, I omit all other questions of yours ...

naked pragmatism ....

Quote: Den717

Does the communist past keep you awake? Well don't return it anymore.

oh? if people are motivated correctly, and in the current economic country a lot is no longer necessary, then everything is possible ...

Quote: Den717

These are all former party and Komsomol activists. You and me sang all sorts of crap about "a new community - the Soviet people ...", and meanwhile they themselves were taking up starting positions to seize "fixed assets."

this is probably the only thing I agree with ... even if not in this particular case, but for the most part it is ....

that's why our people are talking in Russian, already openly - "Stalin is not on you", although at the same time they are voting for Putin ...
although that I’m all the currency on him ... after all, he didn’t appoint as an example the great economist of our time, in whose friends all those who were involved in the privatization of the country of councils, who could not develop an economic policy other than changing their pensions and increasing the tax burden population...
he does not deny the possibility of building socialism in the country ....

there was an article, right on the VO, about the fact that the GDP is fighting with the oligarchs, well, it’s not really fighting, so far it’s only trying on, and you know, many believed, judging by the comments ...

Quote: Den717

Therefore, I omit all other questions of yours ...

I have only one question - what should we, ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation do in the future? pick up the pitchfork and .... throw the manure?
I ask this question often enough, and to a sufficiently large number of people
anyone can make populist statements, but at least give a strategic plan, I'm not talking about tactics ....

[Den717]

Quote: The Stoker

I have only one question - what should we, ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation do in the future? pick up the pitchfork and .... throw the manure?

Well, in general, yes. Throw manure, to everyone in their place. Took to work and receive money, then we must do it with all responsibility. We take care of our life, we must take care that life does not end after us. No need to spoil for yourself, and even more so to a neighbor under the door. I don’t like the salary that people pay for work with a pitchfork, learn and upgrade their qualifications to work that will provide sufficient income. Indeed, in principle, everything is quite simple - as you drown, you rush. What's new? Do you want to understand how the world is arranged around and how money is spinning, get some special knowledge and share it with your loved ones, expand their horizons. It is time to already understand that it is necessary to build your worldview and fight for it if you have knowledge. And collecting newspaper headlines is not the kind of argument that can prove or clarify something. This childish maximalism can be endured in the hope of growing up and developing a thoughtful position, and when adults are guided by emotions instead of thoughts, this is worthless.

Quote: The Stoker

but to give at least a strategic plan, I'm not talking about tactics ....

And you do not expect ready-made solutions and other people's plans. After all, only you know what you are capable of and what you want in principle. Therefore, you will "give birth" to these plans in the throes of creativity, and then implement it "in the sweat of your brow."

[Kochegarkin]

Quote: Den717

And you do not wait for ready-made solutions and other people's plans. After all, only you know what you are capable of and what you want in principle

here, this was from us, citizens of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, that the united west sought to divide, explain that the individual in particular is more important than the collective, and that living is necessary for oneself, here and now ... and judging by the situation around - achieved

the country of "councils" as you put it, was built on the basis of the collective development of society, in which each citizen was a brick of a huge common house, and some individuals decided that personal interests were above state interests and robbed the country

[Den717]

Quote: The Stoker

sought a united west, to divide, to explain that the individual in his particular is more important than the collective,

Do not rush to extremes. Take care of yourself and your loved ones, and there will be more happy people in the country for a few people. Fighting windmills is not a very smart business, because it is hopeless. It is necessary to influence, I think, to strive for what you can change on your own, on the strength of your loved ones, your like-minded people, and not in general "for all good versus all bad." Despite the fact that by pasting negative labels on strangers, you will not achieve unity.

[Kochegarkin]

Quote: Den717

Take care of yourself

I say - they have achieved their
Divide and Conquer

[Den717]

Quote: The Stoker

I say - they have achieved their
Divide and Conquer

Everyone sees what he wants to see. But even if you write here that the Earth is damn and lies on three elephants, it will not become one. It’s always easier to engage in empty balabolism than to do a real, if not great, thing ...

[Kochegarkin]

a great thing is when you leave a trace in history, and how you propose to go into the egoistic accumulation of capital for your own good will never be a great thing

[Den717]

Quote: The Stoker

a great thing is when you leave a trace in history, and how you propose to go into the egoistic accumulation of capital for your own good will never be a great thing

After me, there will be at least two children who have completed school well, have a solid knowledge of the history of their native country, have confident job prospects, and therefore do not want to go outside and raise their homeland with their labor. I do not offer you anything. I think you are an adult and I have no desire or perspective to educate you. Think what you want. Enjoy the mossy slogans about capital accumulation, you have every right ...

[aglet]

Quote: ssergey1978

Business should not touch upon vital topics such as defense, security, natural resources and transport. The business is not capable of working there.

is it you tell Medvedev, or the sun-faced, or the miller, or the sechin, or ...

[Thrifty]

And so the country’s population is being eliminated — it would seem, through a plan that doesn’t have for the unenlightened people, to actually strangle residents with toxic waste, carbon monoxide and smoke from harmful emissions of inappropriate fuel.

[Clueless]

Coal must be put somewhere, we have plowed the whole Kemerovo region, every year 1-2 new open pits / mines.

[Errr]

Recently, more and more cuts. Greetings from Novokuznetsk. Only, as I understand it, our coal will now go past the Novosibirsk thermal power plants.

[avia12005]

You understand everything absolutely correctly

[knn54]

-Ilf and Petrov: "All major modern fortunes have been acquired in the most dishonorable way."
- They usually have funds. criminal origin, possibly from the funds of Western special services through "gasket firms".
And a joke:
- Where did you get such a house from?
-Sold a foreign car.
- Where did the foreign car come from?
-Sell the motorcycle.
- Where did the motorcycle come from?
Sold the bike.
Yeah, but you stole the bike!
And now, seriously, South Africa has long worked out the technology of producing synthetic fuel from brown coal, which there (too) "just heaps".
But is it necessary for the "appanage princelings" who buy up the local authorities at the root, discrediting the leadership of the State.

[Beringovsky]

knn54
while discrediting the leadership of the state

This is the Guide itself and copes well with defamation.

[aglet]

Quote: knn54

And now, seriously, South Africa has long worked out technologies for producing synthetic fuel from brown coal, which there (too) "just heaps"

it was still widely used in Germany in the 40s

[Errr]

The brown coal supplier at the Novosibirsk CHPP is the Kansk-Achinsky Borodinsky open-pit mine of SUEK, which is still owned by the same billionaire Andrei Melnichenko.

Just no comment.

[Whowhy]

Everything is natural. There are industries that under no circumstances should the government give into private hands. Energy, IMHO, is one of the first on this list.

[aglet]

Quote: whowhy

Everything is natural. There are industries that under no circumstances should the government give into private hands. Energy, IMHO, is one of the first on this list.

late, the chubiser thinks differently

[mark1]

Try to convert gas boiler houses to coal! Some kind of chukhnya! Some areas for coal storage are a problem, and access roads, fuel supply, etc. etc. along the chain ending with the boilers themselves and the ash dump. Rather, it is about the development plans, approved by RAO and "father" Chubais (but in many TGKs buried), with the construction of a new power unit (filtration equipment is provided).
By the way, purely gas-fired TPPs (C) are widespread only in Russia (we are big fans of "heating with banknotes"), in Europe the share of coal is high.

[mark1]

Power units operating on different types of fuel increase the reliability of thermal power plants especially during the heating season. By the way, reserve fuel in gas boiler houses is fuel oil (for 3 days), but it seems that many do without it.

[aglet]

Quote: mark1

Try converting gas boiler rooms to coal! Some kind of Chuhnya!

and coal for gas is much simpler

[mark1]

He simply translated it. The background of my post is this - I just didn’t understand it, I thought that for some reason they decided to convert it into gas boiler houses back to coal, and because the associated territories, when converted to gas (coal depot, ash dump), are reclaimed and transferred to the city, so I was saddened.
But another question arises - the use of low-quality, low-calorie coal leads to a decrease in the efficiency of boilers, is it really profitable? (I know not)

[parusnik]

As always, nothing personal, just business .. Cheap, harmful brown coal, but electricity tariffs have not decreased, excess profits in your pocket. The bright present of capitalism ...

[alekc75]

Quote: mark1

Try to convert gas boiler houses to coal! Some kind of chukhnya! Some areas for coal storage are a problem, and access roads, fuel supply, etc. etc. along the chain ending with the boilers themselves and the ash dump. Rather, it is about the development plans, approved by RAO and "father" Chubais (but in many TGKs buried), with the construction of a new power unit (filtration equipment is provided).
By the way, purely gas-fired TPPs (C) are widespread only in Russia (we are big fans of "heating with banknotes"), in Europe the share of coal is high.

where exactly is coal fired ??? in Europe love coal?

[Den717]

Quote: alekc75

in Europe love coal?

They don’t like coal there, but they drown it. Generation in Poland 60% coal, a large segment in Germany. I won’t talk about the United States, they consume coal no more than China. Coal is a popular thing in the world, international trade in coal is approximately equal to gas in terms of financial turnover.

[aglet]

Quote: Den717

They don’t like coal there, but they drown it. Generation in Poland 60% coal, a large segment in Germany. I won’t talk about the United States, they consume coal no more than China

and what do I care about Poland, China, Yusashki? we have gas, well, just heaps

[Den717]

Quote: aglet

and what do I care about Poland, China, Yusashki?

So it’s not they who actually address you. You yourself got in here without reading the question carefully.

[aglet]

Quote: Den717

Quote: aglet

and what do I care about Poland, China, Yusashki?

So it’s not they who actually address you. You yourself got in here without reading the question carefully.

I have every right to intervene, but answer the question, why is it a question of converting to brown coal, and not gas? or cheaper? How is Marx about% profit? maybe because of this?

[Den717]

Quote: aglet

How is Marx about% profit? maybe because of this?

And you just ask how many jobs are there, how many taxes from those% of profit remain in the city. In the economy, all numbers are important, not just green. What about 59% of emissions? Maybe you should think about them and ask questions?

[bubalik]

12 March 2019 asked the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, to prepare proposals for increasing the rate of gasification within the country. Miller at this meeting promised to resolve the issue of complete gasification in 10 years.

,,, 10 years ago, then-President Dmitry Medvedev, for some reason, promised by 2015 to fully supply the Russian village with gas, and now there.

Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Samara, even the coal capital of Vorkuta and a number of large cities in central Russia continue to convert heating to gas.

,,, people don’t have as much money as they ask for a gas connection.

[Nastia makarova]

talking about central heating

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Probably first you need to conduct gas and connect it to cities and regions and adjust its cost, otherwise it is not strange in Siberia to sell gas to other countries and the price tag is normal, but for the local population it is not profitable to conduct it very costly.

[alekc75]

Quote: Den717

Quote: alekc75

in Europe love coal?

They don’t like coal there, but they drown it. Generation in Poland 60% coal, a large segment in Germany. I won’t talk about the United States, they consume coal no more than China. Coal is a popular thing in the world, international trade in coal is approximately equal to gas in terms of financial turnover.

but rather coal is different

[Hazarov]

Do not understand? And who is the author of the article? Does the prosecutor's office turn to the people for help in this way? The local Ministry of Internal Affairs does not have enough people to flag the crime, and is this the cry of the local Ministry of Internal Affairs leadership to the people for help? Or what? There is no resource for the enforcement of laws? Those. there is no power?

[avia12005]

You said it right

[goose]

This is Stalin. Comrade Kossior, in my opinion, the Soviet government in Ukraine no longer exists.

[yehat]

Quote: ssergey1978

My opinion is only 100% state participation and tight control

the state has the same businessmen, just a different specialization.

[yehat]

Quote: Den717

Quote: alekc75

in Europe love coal?

They don’t like coal there, but they drown it. Generation in Poland 60% coal, a large segment in Germany. I won’t talk about the United States, they consume coal no more than China. Coal is a popular thing in the world, international trade in coal is approximately equal to gas in terms of financial turnover.

coal is simply one of the most undemanding logistics - poured into a car and drove. Burning is also easy. It will not leak at the warehouse, it will not evaporate, it will not detonate, it will not thicken - it just lies as long as necessary.
by volume it is more effective than firewood. Therefore, they use it, despite all the disadvantages.

[PDM80]

We are the neighbors of Novosib, in Krasnoyarsk the same SGK, the same problems, the plus is the development of the city through one place, I could almost always weigh in the city!

[bmv04636]

If this technology is VUT (GDP, CWS, CWSM, CWM) - liquid fuel, which is obtained by mixing crushed coal, water and plasticizer. It is used in heat generating facilities, mainly as an alternative to natural gas and fuel oil. It allows you to significantly reduce costs in the production of heat and electric energy. Conceptually refers to the technology "CLEAN COAL". That is no more harm to the environment than from gas burning

[itarnmag]

In the film "The Diamond Hand" Anatoly Papanov in the role of Lelik uttered a wonderful phrase: "You have to kill for this"

[aglet]

[quote = mark1] Simply, he translated.
But another question arises - the use of low-quality, low-calorie coal leads to a decrease in boiler efficiency, is it really profitable? (I know not) [/ quote
with their difference between the cost and sale, and on the dung will be more profitable

[Severok]

If the huckster can get 300% of the profit, he will go for ANY crime. And here in the article there is a whole bunch of hucksters who have a place in a coal mine with a pickaxe in stumps.

[eckons]

Quote: Severok

If the huckster can get 300% of the profit, he will go for ANY crime. And here in the article there is a whole bunch of hucksters who have a place in a coal mine with a pickaxe in stumps.

What do you say, they built coal-fired thermal power plants under the USSR and coal was a strategic resource, and now the capitalists say - 300% of the profit))) You either remove the cross or put on your pants ... For with the same success, you can say that the transfer to gas is the machinations of the capitalists, the oilman, who want to receive extra profits.

[eckons]

How do i like

This happens just when the federal center repeatedly raises the question of increasing the capacity of a single railway

Well, let the center attend to and build another, and even better not one.

Here I have a counter question, in Siberia there are many mines and they are being closed, why? Well, probably because the oil workers lack extra profits ... So, ecologists, where do people work or where to put coal? And I know that coal is not necessary for us anymore, it also takes railway, yes, yes, yes.