Postgraduate studies in the USSR at the end of the 1980s

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Graduate school - a direct road to science.
Many readers of the site were interested in the story of the modern Russian high school and its problems, based on the personal impressions of the author. And many wanted to learn about the way in which people acquired academic degrees and titles at that time. That is, they would like to learn about studying in graduate school. Since I myself studied in it from 1985 to 1988 year, then why not tell about it? Moreover, in its own way it was very interesting.


Photo of those distant years. For some reason, then, it seems, there were a lot of photographs, but there were few printed photos left. And the quality was just awful. But nevertheless it is let small, but story. In this picture, the author (left) is talking about something with "senior colleagues in the department." A.I. Medvedev is on the far right.




The main condition of work in high school


So, having finished working out in a rural school, I return to my back in the city, and nobody takes on a job in higher education institutions. There are no places, and you will not sit on a living person. Here, even the mother, PhD and associate professor, can not help. There is no court. It was necessary to get settled on the regional sytech system, the station for young technicians, and for two years to work there, and also to broadcast on local TV: “Young Technicians Studio”, “Stars Name”, “Inventing Guys”, and according to their scripts to write books on children's technical creativity. But books are a separate story, and here he was already at the "VO". The main thing was to wait patiently for vacancies and remind ourselves all the time. And the patient will be rewarded! Watches appeared at the department of history of the CPSU of the Penza Polytechnic Institute, and in the future, the place of assistant. But only under the condition, which, however, I was completely satisfied: to study in graduate school and defend my thesis. A year of "pochasovki", and then - oh, joy, held a competition for five years. Salary - 125 p. Load - 16 groups per week! And since one day was “methodical”, some days it was 6 hours in the morning and 4 in the evening, with evening dancers, before 10.00, and I got home at half 11. The condition was tough: for three years to pass the candidate minimum and go to graduate school, because three years later another person returned from graduate school, and he needed a place.

Target selection


The choice is Moscow or Kuibyshev (Samara) automatically decided in favor of the latter because of the price of train tickets: Penza - Kuibyshev - 6 rubles, Penza - Moscow - 10. On my methodical day I come to Kuibyshev University, to the department of English philology. The head is a typical “woman in red”: a red suit, red gloves and a red hat. I explain my business to her ... She tells me: "Tell me the topic" My homeland ". I am saying to her: "It is a large industrial center ..."

- Enough! You have porridge in your mouth, not English. Where did you study it?

I tell him that first in a special school, then in a teacher's college, then for three years he taught him in a rural school. In response, I hear the voice of Ella-cannibals:

- Complete darkness! You will need to translate into Russian a book on your specialty, published either in England or in the USA and not translated in the USSR. Volume is not less than 100 sheets. Along with the translation, submit a certificate from the Lenin Library and more newspaper materials from the Daily Walker newspaper. Exam ... next fall. Everything!

And that is all! And where to look for such a book? On the history of the CPSU, published in England or the United States and not translated in the USSR?

However, he returned to Penza, went to the regional library and found it! "The story of Peter V. Kochchioni, one of the leaders of the US Communist Party". Needless to say that translating it was a torment? In the summer, we went to Gurzuf to rest with our family and, in front of the whole beach, went away like two idiots, muttering: “A small coffee tin box, where the law was to place corrupt money when entering the office ...” God, how did to say it in Russian? “When entering the office, the bribe was supposed to be put in a coffee tin” - that's how it is! After that, where I did not insert only excerpts from this Peter Kocchioni, starting from scientific articles and up to my novel “Pareto's Law”, it turned out to be a very cool book. And is it just that I would translate it? Not in life!

Exams


He came to take, and there ... mature uncles in shoulder straps with asterisks (and many of those, and others!), And people like me, the young - two and miscalculated. But I listened how they respond - light from the heart. "Zis ... zis ... zis of ..."

He sat down to answer, and the “lady in red” asked me if I had translated the entire book. No, I say, only 90 pages, but all 100 did not have time, the load is large. She looked at the book, looked at the translation, but did not ask any more and ... put it “excellent.” Phew! No, it’s not for nothing that the root of the teaching is bitter, but its fruits are sweet ...

It is not at all interesting to tell about the passing of philosophy, but the history of the CPSU, as a core subject, was passed in two exams. First, the story before 17, then the story after. And it was necessary to read all the volumes of the complete works of Marx and Engels, and then the 55 volumes of the last edition of the works of Vladimir Ilyich. “The Communist Party Manifesto” generally should have known almost by heart (it was welcomed!), Well, everything is at about the same level.

I passed both exams perfectly and received a certificate of enrollment from 1 November 1985 of the year. I went to Kuibyshev with my wife and daughter, they were interested to see where I would live for three years, and they helped me carry things. And they saw!

For a couple with a graduate student Ivanov


There is a room in the graduate school block (corridor away from the student one) and there are four rooms: two square for graduate female students in the third year, and two rectangular double rooms for first years. Right there in the hallway and amenities. My partner, “graduate student Ivanov,” came along with me and my wife too. We went into the room and we see that the students lived in it very merrily, and in the middle they burned a fire at all! Ivanov, as he saw it, immediately said that he would not live here, but it would be better to ride a bus from his Kinel. So I left. And they reassured me that they would make repairs, but at that time they gave me a single room near the balcony itself. Repairs were made before the New Year, but in the end I was very lucky. The room for two got me alone! I put my suitcase on Ivanov’s bed, and when the checks came, I always answered that we two live here - I am a graduate student Ivanov. “Here is his suitcase!” “And where is he himself?” - “He left for the department!” That's how it lived for three years and lived alone, which was, of course, very convenient. In addition to two beds, I had a closet there, a rented refrigerator (already used by the second generation of graduate students!) And as many as four desks, which I assembled from different floors and corridors. After one I ate, I cooked on the other, the third served to write a dissertation, well, the fourth served as a… workbench. On it, I did homemade for a television program "School Country School", which took the lead on the Kuibyshev TV. The benefit of the TV center from the university hostel was close. Well, money is never a lot. Immediately I went to them: I say I’ve led the TV show on Penza’s TV, I also want your message. They called Penza, they were told there that they were lucky, and for three years, the Kuybyshev children were provided with a creative TV show, and I had an extra salary in the whole 50 rubles! By the way, the scholarship of graduate students who worked at the university before enrollment was 90 rubles, but it was less for those who enrolled directly from the student's desk. But you had to pay for living in a hostel, although a bit.


Serious people then taught in universities the history of the CPSU. Look at the medal strips ...


Research Supervisor


I come to the department to get acquainted with my supervisor. It turned out to be the former first rector and founder of the Kuibyshev University, Aleksey Ivanovich Medvedev, about whom the first vice-rector of SamSU, Doctor of History, Professor Pyotr Serafimovich Kabytov later wrote a very good and informative article. Repeating all that he wrote, it hardly makes sense. However, reading about people like Professor Medvedev is always interesting. Therefore, I place here a link to the article by Kabytov for, so to speak, a parallel reading together with my material - https://ssau.ru/news/14500-aleksey-ivanovich-medvedev-11031917-25091991. But Kabytov's article is “objective,” and here only personal impressions are described, although I completely agree with everything he said in it. And especially with this: “It was a very interesting person. He had attentive, companion eyes. He had many talents. Among the merits of Alexei Ivanovich can be attributed to the fact that he considered himself the father of the team. " However, when I saw Medvedev for the first time, I thought to myself that he was most of all like ... Sir Morris Hannibal, part-time the "ghost of Morrisville Castle." The denture on his left hand, covered in a black glove, complemented this impression, so that all of us graduate students helped him in the department to dress and carried his briefcase behind him. I was immediately told that “you were lucky with the leader,” but that “he is a very, very demanding person,” I felt at our very first meeting.

First of all, he found out what I was up to, and was very happy when I said that I had a wife and a schoolgirl daughter, and that returning without protection was unthinkable for me. However, he said, you do not have three years. Throw away the months of summer vacation, winter holidays, time for classes, trips home. So you have only two years, and for them you will need to write a job in the 220 pages. And to do this, find the material ... And since you are engaged in technical creativity, then here is the topic: "Party leadership in scientific and technical creativity of youth during the 9 5th Five-Year Plan in the Middle Volga Region (Penza, Kuibyshev, Ulyanovsk universities)." Go and work ...

Learning


So my study began. By the way, the postgraduate study did not indulge us as such, so some graduate students even complained that “they don’t learn anything here”! For the first six months, we were engaged in what is now called “computer literacy”. At one of the games, I managed to stay in power in the Typhoon State of 92, and, along with two of its surviving citizens, fled to neighboring Honduras. Others were overthrown in the course of the revolution, or they were dying of starvation, so I got a test with a gun, but then forgot all this "literacy". Then, for another six months, we were taught a course in pedagogy of higher education, and this was useful and interesting - to get acquainted with how students “put in place” and ... how “students can put in place” us, the teachers. All the rest of the "training" was carried out in the course of work on a thesis!


And this is my close-up supervisor. Always a little afraid of him. It seems to be smiling, but how will she look ...


However, just to work on it was far from easy. First, it was necessary to “participate in the life of the department,” that is, if you want it or not, you should go to all its meetings. Then, since you are “young,” you had to either attend lecturers' courses, and if you were already a lecturer, give lectures at the factories and mills of the city. True, they were paid for 5 rubles for them, but this was taking some time. And still it was necessary to conduct classes with evening students instead of “elder comrades”. And again, they paid for it. But time, time, time ... In the fall, in the winter and spring there were correspondence students with whom it was also necessary to study and which the associate professors of the department trusted us. And I also wanted to go home, and at least a little bit to rest from the “studies”. So my boss was right when he said that you have only two years to do it. Therefore, from those who really wanted to write and defend their thesis, high self-discipline and scientific organization of labor were required. But this will be discussed in the following material.

To be continued ...
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  1. +19
    17 June 2019 17: 01
    Everything was simpler for me: I came from the university to a research institute, worked for ten years - "overgrown" with material. By that time, there were about a dozen copyright certificates, the same number of publications. They offered to be an applicant in the St. Petersburg (at that time still Leningrad) VNIAI. I passed my PhD, wrote a thesis - and most of all the trouble was with the first department. And further along the knurled: pre-defense and defense.
    About ten years ago, it suddenly began to defend a doctorate - without any need for it, since there was no increase in either position or salary. Probably a stupid vanity leaped up. Well, I wrote, since there is a lot of good material, there are about three patents alone. I went to one university, read a report - I see that the young doctors and candidates did not understand a damn thing. Mathematicians, great, a lot ...
    One old lady, head. chair, she enlightened me: ask when a person defended himself - you will understand a lot, what he is worth. Well, later I read the abstracts of doctoral dissertations - and realized that in the old days such "doctors" with such material would have been flooded with a nasty broom even from the defense of a student diploma. And he decided that it would be better to remain a candidate from the "earlier" times than to hang on a badge the same as on many current "scientists".
    1. +5
      17 June 2019 17: 18
      Alexey! Similar picture! At first the subject was changed. Then the first doctoral researcher died, the university changed, the new requirements ... was discussed for the first time. At the second, the rector fell for ... in a word, the Council was closed ... then ... then they say 70 thousand for reading without a guarantee (I thought - I would add as much and rest with my wife in Spain) ... then - but we do not have 5 doctors on your topic. Then age. I counted the money - the defense does not pay off ... and remained a candidate, although the doctoral is ready and the monographs on it at least ... eat.
      1. -3
        22 June 2019 00: 25
        Quote: kalibr
        and remained a candidate, although the doctorate is ready and monographs on it even ... eat.


        Wicked YOU are all.

        And write a lie.

        Both in the article and in the comments.

        If you want VERY - write and protect yourself!

        If you want to.

        Yes, expensive.

        But why do you need protection then?

        If REAL science - yes! And the leaders will understand and help you.

        And if for an increase to a post for a degree and all - pay!

        What is SCIENCE !!!!

        Redneck articles and comments of mediocre people from science!
  2. +3
    17 June 2019 17: 08
    I look forward to continuing, life as it is, the characteristic atmosphere for those years is correctly conveyed.
    1. +3
      17 June 2019 17: 19
      The second part is ready and already in moderation. 3 is written ...
    2. +7
      17 June 2019 19: 30
      Quote: Jura
      I look forward to continuing, life as it is, the characteristic atmosphere for those years is correctly conveyed.

      --------------------
      Yes, the atmosphere of those years is well conveyed. And b / w photographs of "poor quality", on the contrary, bring a corresponding "revitalization" or "enliven the entourage" of those years. So you can add illustrations, it only complements the story.
  3. +6
    17 June 2019 17: 22
    "Party leadership in the scientific and technical creativity of youth during the 9 5th Five-Year Plan in the Middle Volga Region (Penza, Kuibyshev, Ulyanovsk universities)"


    What for?

    Therefore, those who really wanted to write and defend a Ph.D. thesis, required high self-discipline and the scientific organization of labor.


    I hope (as part of the topic of the dissertation) it was sarcasm?

    But someone at this time was engaged in business ...
  4. +14
    17 June 2019 18: 56
    It was easier for me. After three years of work, when a graduate student who graduated from Phystech a year later than me has already become a graduate student, I politely asked the professor - why the hell is this my discrimination? Then the professor graciously allowed me to enter the correspondence graduate school in 1981. He gave the topic, but just in case he demanded that it be written in pencil on the curriculum of the graduate student. This came in handy later. Since I did not do my diploma with him, he did not take much care of me, filling me with current work (in particular, on the Yak-141, and other flying glands). In the end, he gave the task to test experimentally one English profile scheme, tested in the UK already in 1958. By this time I had my own thoughts, and somehow I did not want to check the British. But it suddenly turned out, firstly, that they had not shaken everything out of their scheme, and secondly, the model was easily altered into my scheme. It turned out to be two beautiful chapters. The dissertation turned out to be of good quality. He finished his postgraduate studies in 1985, defended his defense at the beginning of 1990 - he worked out and calculated the options. It was going to the doctor's. Even a flight experiment with these schemes was being prepared on the Yak-38 flying laboratory, but perestroika and the collapse of the state began. Now I say to my graduate students: "I am a Soviet scientist, and all of you will (if you are), then CIS scientists." Now I am already dealing with the third global topic, I was denied the implementation of the second in hardware, the competitors won, who repeated the foreign product with all its shortcomings.
    1. +3
      17 June 2019 19: 10
      What an interesting job you had! Always respected for what you can hold hands!
      1. +5
        17 June 2019 21: 46
        She is interesting now. But it’s a shame when the solutions found do not go into business.
  5. +18
    17 June 2019 19: 06
    And I, as I recall now, was even easier. He grew up an orphan, at the age of 15 he entered the military school after the 7th grade in 1953 (technical). He wanted to get out of poverty. I graduated became a lieutenant and I was immediately sent to study further. As a result, I graduated from LIAP (1963) and I was sent to the target postgraduate study at NII-33. The leaders were officers from the Academy. Mozhaiskogo (Drabkin A.L., Zernov N.V.). Two years later, he defended his thesis with a signature stamp on automatic landing of aircraft (1965). He already had 8 articles for defense and two copyright certificates for inventions. He conducted flight experiments on airplanes, flew. Even the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Air Force came to the defense. reviews were from the Air Force and Air Defense Commander of the country. After the defense, they were appointed head of the laboratory with a salary of 350 rubles. He got out of poverty.
    1. +9
      17 June 2019 19: 33
      Quote: midshipman
      And I, as I recall now, was even easier.

      ------------------------
      You, Yuri Grigoryevich, would also do well to write an article. It would be interesting to read.
    2. +1
      17 June 2019 22: 00
      My childhood was quite prosperous - my father’s military pension 182 rubles after 1961 years, again, my father could not imagine himself without work, he also earned 100 rubles (then there was a ceiling - the amount of pension and salary should not exceed something) Mom worked too - my sister and I lived quite normally. True, until the 1967 year - exclusively in communal apartments with hordes of bugs. This is in Orenburg. After the father received the khrushchevka-kopeck piece, domestic happiness generally arrived. He graduated from high school, entered the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, scholarship - 55 rubles, in senior courses - 75. After the distribution, I began to receive 110, during the correspondence graduate school s / pl. was 130 (m.s.), and 200 r was first received when the VAK sent crusts - in the fall of 1990 of the year. Then was already n. s., but such a sum for the family (and it already was) was very small.
      1. +2
        17 June 2019 22: 46
        It is interesting to compare: I had how? Pension grandfather order bearer and personal pensioner - 90 p. , grandmother's pension - 28 p. alimony from the father - somewhere 40 p. and 100 p. Mom's salary, as the manager. Then she became an assistant, then defended herself in the 1968 year .. - 280 p. But the garden gave a lot. Grandmother rescued another year to 500 p. The scholarship was 40 p. increased - 50, but not always I had it. My wife always had 40. Plus, part-time work ... Then the village. But I already wrote about him somehow ...
  6. +5
    17 June 2019 19: 08
    Quote: sergo1914
    But someone at this time was engaged in business ...

    Then it was thought that this is a VERY IMPORTANT CASE ...
  7. +2
    17 June 2019 19: 11
    Quote: midshipman
    Out of poverty out.

    Yes, at the time it was a strong motivation.
  8. +2
    17 June 2019 19: 36
    Quote: sergo1914
    "Party leadership in the scientific and technical creativity of youth during the 9 5th Five-Year Plan in the Middle Volga Region (Penza, Kuibyshev, Ulyanovsk universities)"
    What for?

    Each subject has its own specifics. And there was "Party leadership of the oil and gas complex of the Volga region in the years ... five-year plan." Party leadership of the evacuated population during the Second World War on the example of .... regions Wed. Volga region "... And someone wrote about Siberia, Primorye ... My mother wrote" The Academy of Red Directors - the blacksmith of new Soviet personnel "(I don’t remember exactly). Its specificity ... And in the Middle Ages, they wrote how many Talmuds angels can fit on the tip of the needle!
    1. +9
      17 June 2019 21: 11
      I read the author and realized that my graduate school was just heaven. I got to the Moscow Power Engineering Institute. From 1986 to 1991, i.e. another year of internship. As Muscovites themselves understood, they were not eager to study in graduate school, almost all graduate students, like me were from all over the USSR, the five-story hostel is full of Soviet graduate students. And next to it is a hostel full of foreign graduate students. I received 240 rubles clean, this is a lot, since it also included money for the "household", so I lived "richly", especially since Moscow in those days was supplied in such a way that the whole country was jealous, brought everything home: sausage, shoes, spare parts for moto and auto, etc. ... Nobody controlled the graduate students, only the "boss" occasionally showed results, it was possible for several days in a row not to appear at the department. Bottom line: the best years of life.
  9. +4
    17 June 2019 22: 25
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Gathered, damn it, candidates and doctors! At least leave the site from a sense of personal inferiority!
    1. +5
      18 June 2019 05: 37
      Comrades scientists, associate professors with candidates.
      You are tortured with the Xs, confused in the zeros.
      Sit, decompose molecules into atoms,
      Forgetting that decaying potatoes in the fields.

      You try to extract balm from mold and mold
      And you take the roots ten times a day.
      Oh, you get there. Oh, you get out
      While rotting, the potatoes will mold on the vine.
  10. +2
    17 June 2019 22: 35
    Now, Anton, this is not so important! I know a woman Ph.D., associate professor, a member of the International Federation of Journalists, but married to a construction crane operator. And all the friends are jealous - if only not a university teacher and not a candidate of historical sciences! And by the way, all men k.i.n. and the doctors that I know if I were a woman ... I would not have become with them ... However, there are exceptions, there are ... but few.
    1. +1
      17 June 2019 23: 01
      Yes, that’s all right, Vyacheslav Olegovich, the miserable I am and I no longer shine to reach your cohort.
      1. +3
        18 June 2019 06: 31
        This is not a negotiated race from point A to point B.

        And any activity is interesting even for those people who meet on the way. Way indicator.

        This also applies to the community of any site.
        1. +3
          18 June 2019 07: 36
          In my uncomplicated higher education, I alone am to blame. Simply, this is a pain point that sometimes someone involuntarily touches.
          "Okay, then I need your passport.
          - Mmmm ..., I only have a release certificate ... "
          (X / f "Antikiller")
          1. +2
            18 June 2019 07: 50
            Now, of course, correspondence education is declining dramatically.
            But, as elsewhere, the main desire and motivation.

            Although, of course, with one higher, others are easier to receive.
            1. +2
              18 June 2019 08: 07
              There is a desire, no motivation.
              1. +2
                18 June 2019 08: 23
                Desire is a good motivator in itself.

                But the time factor is important. What in sport, what in life.

                Probably getting old. The younger generation regularly speak about this.
  11. -1
    18 June 2019 00: 06
    And what's this? The publication is clearly not on the subject of VO.
  12. +3
    18 June 2019 06: 10
    Every teacher in the school puts their own English. Now my daughter will be in 9th grade, and I cannot understand their "Englishwoman", the wrong school. In the 80s we were taught differently. Do not stupidly memorize, or solve quests. Moreover, there was a division into English and German. And, we had, until the 8th grade, THREE grades. After the 8th grade, there were only two, because some went to vocational schools and technical schools. Which, by the way, did not stop me from going further to universities.
  13. +2
    18 June 2019 11: 01
    Candidate minimum, as a rule, is given after the first year of postgraduate study - a foreign language and philosophy. After the second year or even the third year of study - a profile exam.
    1. 0
      18 June 2019 11: 32
      If you went as an applicant, you could pass everything in advance ...
  14. +2
    18 June 2019 14: 36
    graduate school is when portraits suddenly turn out to be living people smile
  15. 0
    19 June 2019 13: 44
    And many wanted to know about the way in which people at that time acquired academic degrees and titles.
    And there is no desire to write in what way they are acquired now? With examples ....lol wassat
  16. +1
    19 June 2019 15: 34
    Well, I myself personally did not encounter the purchase of a thesis, but I know perfectly well that this has become a business for some. There are ads on the Internet: thesis turnkey + protection. But this is an expensive thing. And because ... rare. Employees of universities can not afford, and businessmen for Ponte. But they THEN do not work in high school, they do not write articles and books, and therefore ... it is very easy to see xy from xy!
  17. -2
    20 June 2019 14: 09
    Gauge, how are your wet dreams of popular worship of your beloved connected with the theme of the site? Not to mention the fact that you do not solve a single scientific problem in your self-praise. You turn a site into a dump of your own ego. It’s time for administrators to start banning your nonsense ...
    1. 0
      23 June 2019 17: 12
      So it was, is and will be! Calm down and take note. There were a lot of writers about ahinenii. Then many died. Where are you? You are among the new ...
  18. 0
    23 June 2019 21: 00
    Quote: Alceers
    It's time for admins to start banning your nonsense ...

    Who are you to take your opinion into account? Did you read other comments? You should be more modest, remember the parable about the straw and the log!
  19. 0
    23 June 2019 23: 13
    And everything is simple with me! In the third year of study, they suggested changing the subject (August 1991). But how to change it, so that there would not be a Communist Party. And if the work was on the theme of the control commissions of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks during the NEP ?! I went to school and still haven’t returned))) I don’t regret about the years of graduate school - it was a very interesting time!