Chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: My problem is that I survived under Ilovaisk

The new head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ruslan Homchak, spoke about the Crimea and the actions near Ilovaisk. In an interview with the Ukrainian holding "1 + 1", Homchak spoke about visiting the Crimea in 2010 year.

According to Khomchak, then he was in Crimea for the last time on vacation and "was shocked by what he saw."

The head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that he had before him a "bad remnant of the Soviet Union."

From the interview with Homchak:

Widespread advertising of Russian vodka with tricolor. I asked myself the question: “Where am I? It is Ukraine?

Homchak notes that Ukraine actually lost the Crimea long before 2014. At the same time, the head of the Ukrainian general staff is confident that "Russia has been preparing to take the peninsula since the declaration of Ukrainian independence."

According to Khomchak, today it is necessary to change the consciousness of people.

In the same interview, Homchak tried to justify himself for his actions in the area of ​​Ilovaisk in 2014. According to General Khomchak, for him that fight was not over yet, as he still does not know about the fate of many Ukrainian servicemen, who were then in the cauldron.

Ukrainian general:

Probably my main problem is that I remained alive (near Ilovaisk).

Further, Homchak stated that he “stayed with the soldiers as a deterrent,” although many suggested they leave. According to the general, they were starving and drinking water from the Kalmius River.

According to the head of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, all those who went through the Ilovaisk boiler were “heroes. It turns out that he considers himself a hero.

Comments

[Andrey Chistyakov]

"Combat General" ..
The withdrawal of Crimea showed that he was never "yours" !!!!

[Nicholas C.]

Ukrainian general:
"Probably my main problem is that I survived (near Ilovaisk)."

Several hundred thousand warriors against their own people have such a problem. And also SBU, Right Sector, S-14 and many others
The problem of denazification will have to be addressed. Without this, the people of Ukraine have no future.

[Simargl]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Several hundred thousand warriors against their own people have such a problem. And also SBU, Right Sector, S-14 and many others

You APU with PS and other similar rubbish do not equal: in the APU go, reconciled with fate, rather. And PS are ideological killers.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Simargl

APU with PS and other similar rubbish do not equal: in the APU go, reconciled with fate, rather. And PS are ideological killers

Who in the Armed Forces of Ukraine resigns themselves to their fate, are they really contract soldiers? "PS and other similar rubbish" does not have large-caliber artillery, I wonder who then shoots at the houses of civilians with artillery? Only when they are captured, then all are cooks. And if you look in the profiles, there are more than many Nazis in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

All of Ukraine, its state, social and other institutions are based on Russian-speaking traitors, admirers of farmer culture.

Put "+". But this is not at all the case. Maybe the armed forces are holding on "on Russian-speaking traitors, fans of the farm culture," because the Jesuit elite and the Westerners say that "skhidnyaks" should sit in the trenches. They sit. But the "state, social and other institutions" of Ukraine long ago, since the times of the westerner Kravchuk, began to score, and after the junta coup they finally scored them, "racially correct". The most "racially correct" were born outside Zbruch.

[Simargl]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Who in the Armed Forces is reconciled with fate, are they really contract soldiers?

And there were a lot of these contractors during active databases, when did this hamster get under Ilovaisk?
Now a lot has changed, but we are talking about that time. No?

Quote: Nikolai S.

And look at the profiles, then there are more than a lot of Nazis in the APU.

5!!! years of active withdrawal of consciousness. Those who are now 18-25 years old (in particular) have nothing in their head except hohloukost, because they didn’t invest anything else there. Lost generation.
I will not say that everything, but the psyche is rotated at a very large %%.

[priboy57]

Nobody broke them, they just rolled their eyes for 27 years in a row and squealed with pleasure, sucked that shit through a rag that was crushed to them in children's kindergartens, schools and further everywhere. When they are caught at a crime scene with blood on their elbows and a bundle of severed ears around their necks, they immediately "understand that they were deceived and they are not to blame."

[Simargl]

Quote: priboy57

Nobody broke them

Until 2014, this was relatively mild. And from the beginning of 2014 - all the masks were dropped, all the rubbish fell out.

[TermNachTer]

Not so bad. The process of fooling the population, naturally, went and did not spare funds for it. But he gave the results mainly in Western Ukraine, but to be honest, there were not really loved Russians there and under the Union.

[Simargl]

Quote: TermNachTER

Not so bad.

Yeah. In addition, the entire population over 30 years old is brainwashed. Some were lucky, but even they have a worm of doubt.
It can’t be washed in a dozen years - several generations are needed here.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TermNachTER

however, to be honest, there and under the Union, Russians were not particularly loved.

Zaporozhye 1977. Father went (the kingdom of heaven to him) returned to the sanatorium from there "Moskal" and all that, I honestly was horrified as it was not a pioneer ...

[TermNachTer]

I apologize, but I live in this city for 45 years. We have one sanatorium here, for those who have a heart attack, because the environment is not very good, it is unlikely that your father was sent there. All resorts in the south, near the Sea of ​​Azov. Again, I repeat, and under the Union there were people who hated Russians. And so, Zaporozhye is a normal, Russian-speaking city in which Bandera is also hated.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Simargl

we say About time. No?

The topic of the news under discussion is the statement of the ukrogeneral, which he made now. He is working in a new post now and will be in the near future. And my message to which you answered was about the present tense and what you have to do in future (the sooner the better) ... I am at a loss to answer what time you speak about.

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

political and managerial places in administrations, occupied by zapadentsy. This is understandable, and I won’t even argue. But there are sectors of the economy and production where you cannot put a zapadents. The field of energy, and other industries, combat aircraft pilots.

in administrations state institutions, ministries, departments, national universities ...
In Austria, for centuries they were not even third-class people after the Germans, Hungarians, Croats (there were such priorities officially), and in Poland, too, they did not consider them equal citizens. Apparently because they were not allowed to do anything serious there, they already have no desire for anything in their genes, which requires deep specialized knowledge, training, skills ... Such people cannot build a stable state.
But there are always exceptions. Therefore lyrical digression. For about a year ~ in 1992, we, at the invitation of Galym Abilsiitov, the vice-premier of the government of Kazakhstan, arrived at the NGO Dzhezkazgantsvetmet. (Large volumes of copper with a purity of 99.9999% for the world market).Our task was to analyze the structure and technological processes, to give recommendations of an organizational and technical nature, especially in the case of critical situations. With Gendir and the chief engineer of the NGO Ushkenov and Zharkenov, it was difficult for us to speak the same technical language (Natkadra, I generally told Galym, if you need to work through them, then call Sryma, he is Genghisid, he will succeed, and we will go home), therefore, we built all the work through the deputy chief engineer Ogol. Ph.D. Originally from Zbruch. He told me how he went home. "-What are you doing, you will destroy everything, in your first place? -You are a kind of batkivshchyna." So, he amazingly knew his huge object, its energy, including operation of energy equipment and networks, safety systems in mines, mining, primarily mining equipment and vehicles, including ground, including railway, all electromechanics, metrology ... We drove into the mine with him, but at the smelter, ore preparation plant ... we were received by the local leadership. We spent many days in Ogol’s office. It is clear when a decision needs to be made and it is better that the one who is higher is responsible for it. But it is not clear when an engineer from any industry goes to the big bosses with a simple question, so he happened - what to do, but he himself cannot decide, although he must and must. And so in a continuous show mode. We had the impression that Ogol was the only major specialist there and there was no real substitute for him. There are such zapadentsy.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Nikolai S.

But the "state, social and other institutions" of Ukraine long ago, since the times of the westerner Kravchuk, began to score, and after the junta coup they finally scored, "racially correct". The most "racially correct" were born outside Zbruch.

I agree with you in part. The fact that the political and administrative places in the administrations, took zapadentsy. This is understandable, and I will not even argue. But there are such branches of the economy and production where you cannot plant a zapadent. The sphere of energy, and other industries, pilots of combat aircraft.
I wrote about this in the article: "A different look. MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of Bandera"

Every year I am convinced that the entire Ukrainian statehood, state institutions and industrial potential rests exclusively on both "Svidomo" Russian-speaking Ukrainians, and simply Russian-speaking. And I have a question: how long will this last? When and how soon will the split among the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine disappear? Indeed, without him, the Mi-24 would never have covered the "Right Sector" on the ground. And Western Ukraine would again be on the margins of big politics.

[Finches]

Looks like badly in the Moscow VOKU studied ... Moreover, in military subjects, since he brought troops into the "cauldron", and in general education, he does not know the history at all - the Crimea was always Russian and the fact that one voluntarist of the Ukrainian SSR passed it on, and later a drunk finished drink, does not mean that he has ceased to be Russian!

[neri73-r]

He studied normally, just "crest" is a state of mind, mentality! Tomorrow we will come to Ukraine, he will ask to serve, and if they are allowed, then with fury he will stigmatize the time of independent independence!

[Evdokim]

Quote: neri73-r

"crest" is a state of mind,

Yes. Now, it looks more like a diagnosis.

[TermNachTer]

Not that word. He will simply "rip and throw, rip and throw."

[Eragon]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

"Combat General" ..
The withdrawal of Crimea showed that he was never "yours" !!!!

So he said this, in almost plain text. In general, it became interesting, it will be necessary to see the interview. According to the quotes, it turns out that he says:
1. Crimea is not good, so we don’t need it. Therefore, he left and left, they forgot about him. Let Russia "suffer".
2. Losses near Ilovaisk were very large. Big losses are from a strong opponent. So military methods can not solve the problem of Donbass.
Such thoughts, albeit veiled, over the past five years have not been allowed to by any high-ranking serviceman of the Armed Forces. What is it, thinking out loud (with such epaulets unlikely), or the beginning of informational training to end the war in the Donbass?

[Meliodous]

1. About Crimea is logical. Already 5 years have passed, someone should finally give birth to the idea that it is time to come to terms with this and live on.
2. about illovaysk is debatable. If they agreed normally, they would have left without losses. And the main thing is not at all clear, what for they ran into Illovaysk, if the southern boiler had just happened and it was clear that something had to be done with the army, but not to shove BTG into the breakthrough.
In general, it always seemed strange to me that no one in Ukraine in 2014 decided to crush the Donbass tanks while there was such an opportunity. After all, when the events in the Crimea began, it was almost immediately clear that the Russian Federation would squeeze him from Ukraine, and Ukraine, in principle, had nothing to oppose Russia in the event of the warming up of this crisis in a local war. Here, as they say, the example of Georgia in 2008 is very eloquent. But then the idea is simple: if the Russians wring out Crimea, then this is essentially a signal that Ukraine can be pulled into details. And the first candidate is Donbass. Therefore, if they then immediately sent troops to Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov, then there would probably have been no war.
PS The most interesting thing is that all this is said by Khomchak. If suddenly the Ukrainian leadership decides to surrender, then he will easily be called the traitor of his soldiers near Illovaysk, and all his statements will be destroyed.

[Altona]

Directly newly minted Heinz Guderian or Fedor von Bock. It remains only to write a memoir about the factors that prevented him from gaining a "brilliant victory at Ilovaisk".

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Altona

Directly newly minted Heinz Guderian or Fedor von Bock. It remains only to write a memoir about the factors that prevented him from gaining a "brilliant victory at Ilovaisk".

Duc, if they make films about the "defenders" of the Donetsk airport, whom the Motorola unit humiliatingly inspected during the shift and rotation, what can we talk about?
In general, thanks to the ATO, there was an unofficial split among Russian-speaking patriots (Azov and others) of independent Ukraine and Galicians (Freedom and others), the latter appeared to be cowards. The same battalion from Ivano-Frankivsk, completely left the ATO on school buses. All Ukraine, its state, social and other institutions are based on the Russian-speaking traitors, fans of the Khutoryan culture.

[Fayter]

I wonder what this Khutoryan culture is expressed ???

[Nevsky_ZU]

Open my profile and read my publications.

[Observer2014]

There is an idea to create a hood. a film about the assimilation of ethnic Russians in Ukraine from the 90s to 2014. And without which the Ukrainian state would crumble in the early years

Yes.! Less need to be shared. !!!! And not a bear in a den to make oneself up.

The film will show moments from the article "How Russians Lost Their Identity", where Russian young guys, sitting imposingly back in 2004 (the peak of the "power" of the Ukrainian economy on cheap Russian energy resources and high prices for metal and chemicals, which pulled all sectors of the economy Ukraine,

But why did I leave for MOTHERLAND then! Why I predicted there would be war. (ask my Mother what it was) Why!?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Observer2014

But why did I leave for MOTHERLAND then! Why I predicted there would be war. (ask my Mother what it was) Why!?

You were voices crying in the wilderness. Alas.

[Observer2014]

That is why. My children. Thanks exclusively to me .. Were long-awaited and born in Russia. Home. They are already with passports of the Russian Federation (this is for understanding the age and for people like you) The road is a spoon for dinner. I do not care where the Russian was born. Though on the Moon. Russian is a nationality first of all. And not garbage in the form of "you don't understand". There is a clear line. This line was and will be. Special thanks to the former fraternal peoples. They taught the Motherland to love

[Altona]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

So.

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Thank you for the sociological excursion. In principle, you described the emergence of National Socialism in Germany in the 20-30s. The symptoms are the same: the introduction of petty-bourgeois consciousness by creating a good standard of living, then the introduction of national solidarity in the face of an external threat. For example, with a much higher salary, my apartment is worse than that of many Ukrainians.

[Pax tecum]

Nevsky_ZU:
And you know, you can throw tomatoes at me, but I'm glad that maybe ten of my publications during the 2013-2014 years, influenced the decision of the top leadership of the Russian Federation not to send troops to Ukraine. Although most likely, and this is true, the banal sociology and its results on the table in the Kremlin influenced.

Exactly?!
Are you sure you wrote?
They have given too much importance to themselves ...
It was a sinful thing to think that you are a member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation and influence "decisions of the country's top leadership" (as you put it yourself).

It is necessary to be more modest, and still support your arguments with evidence.

Sorry, but what nafig "sociology and its results in the Kremlin"?
Here are the basic interests of national security.
Such decisions are made a little differently than you think.

You just represent your empirically based beliefs.
And, some of your arguments do not stand up to criticism. Everything is too subjective for you ...

[Nevsky_ZU]

It was a sinful thing to think that you are a member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation and influence "decisions of the country's top leadership" (as you put it yourself).

It is necessary to be more modest, and still support your arguments with evidence.

This is a quote from a three-year-old publication written on emotions.
I repent, and I agree that you need to be more modest.
It was a period when everyone blamed Russia, why it stopped the LDNR from the liberation of Mariupol and allegedly merged Novorossia.
All my publications, starting with 2012, were aimed at Russian Russians knowing and understanding that the Great South-East of Ukraine, from Odessa to Kharkov, was not fully pro-Russian for a long time, as in the same in 2004, when the split was the prospect of creating the South-Eastern Ukrainian Autonomous Republic at the congress in North-Donetsk. (8 Russian-speaking regions + Crimea)
Since then, much water has flowed under the bridge, and Dnepropetrovsk has generally become the unofficial capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes. I had to hear a lot of reproaches that I was allegedly a traitor and a provocateur, but in fact, now the East and South of Ukraine will throw Bandera caps over them.

[revnagan]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

5. Ukrainian culture liberates. "Bad is the godfather that was not under the godfather." Do you really want to write poems to girls?

Is it exactly Ukrainian culture?
[media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 1hpqn8xry_E]
I happened to be in the Russian Federation even before the collapse of the USSR. The Bryansk region, locals get galvanized sheets in a warehouse and load it on a cart. It rattles, the horse is frightened and jerks back and forth. A man who loads sheets of iron, (as I understand it, father) a boy, 12 years old, holding a horse:
-Are you, (not cautionous) your mother, you can’t hold a horse ?!
Boy (on a horse) -Tpruuu !!! On father:
-I went to (obscene)!
For me it was wild, in Ukraine they don’t allow such a thing .... And you tell fables ....

[Lara Croft]

Nevsky_ZU There is an idea to create a hood. a film about the assimilation of ethnic Russians in Ukraine from the 90s to 2014. And without which the Ukrainian state would crumble in the early years.

Well then, about the Russians in the Baltic States who had nothing against the independence of the republics in which they lived and subsequently became non-citizens ....

I began broadcasting to readers in Russia about the marvelous transformations of immigrants from Tula or Ryazan, that by chance, for example, by the party of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Army, the direction of the enterprise and the banal desire to warm up in a mild and warm climate in retirement, they ended up in "hospitable" Ukraine

I believe that the Ukrainians of 2014 are Russians who betrayed Russians ....

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Fayter

I wonder what this Khutoryan culture is expressed ???

http://lurkmore.to/Рагуль

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Fayter

I wonder what this Khutoryan culture is expressed ???

For those who are too lazy to read, created a mini-series of 6 parts. The truth is there alas subtitles.


And here is the difference in the consciousness of the citizens of Ukraine 1993 and 2014:

[SASHA OLD]

in English, Kyle Reese is being interrogated at the police station, Dr. Silberman leads the interrogation, Traxler and Vukovich are watching the glass ...
here is the original:

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: SASHA OLD

in English, Kyle Reese is being interrogated at the police station, Dr. Silberman leads the interrogation, Traxler and Vukovich are watching the glass ...
here is the original:

And the monitor and the computer use electrons and semiconductors, processors.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

And the monitor and the computer use electrons and semiconductors, processors.

Skynet attacks!))
not, actually here on this video:

English voice acting from the 1st Terminator, a scene at the police station, the interrogation of Kyle Reese, you can even hear there: ... ... "skynet" ..., ... "cyberdyne systems" ... (Cyberdyne Systems) - the same office that created Skynet on the basis of the remains of the T-800 and its broken processor, that is, in this way Skynet contributed to its appearance by sending the terminator to the past, he "died" there and its spare parts served as the basis for creating a neuroprocessor, thanks to which a little later developed by Skynet itself ...

I don’t know what for, they fastened the English text from the terminator to the old movie and then subtitles about Ukraine, but it turned out cool

[Simargl]

Quote: Fayter

I wonder what this Khutoryan culture is expressed ???

Want to say nothing?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Altona

Directly newly minted Heinz Guderian or Fedor von Bock. It remains only to write a memoir about the factors that prevented him from gaining a "brilliant victory at Ilovaisk".

About General Frost!

[Nevsky_ZU]

I always wondered what was in the minds of Ukrainian officers and generals who graduated from military Soviet high schools?
They internally share for themselves the pretentious words of Ukrainian experts and journalists, that they have a war with Russia and they are holding her back?
Do they realize that the slightest mistake will be like 08.08.08 or even worse, and that they will get them everywhere?
They firmly believe in America and the help of the West, forgetting again about 08.08.08, where did America not come to the rescue?
Or did they believe that they were living in an era of informational and hybrid wars, and there is no need to wait for a real invasion of the Russian army and otvetka?
Or are they really fanatics of the Ukrainian state?
Or just money and nothing personal?

[COJIDAT]

Here is the last item!

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: COJIDAT

Here is the last item!

But it seems to me not only this fad. But the fact that he is in charge agrees.

[Fayter]

In principle, you are right, but there is one nuance, if a citizen feels that the state cares about himself, then accordingly he is ready to protect and cherish him. If we lived in Ukraine now, at least like the Baltic, not to mention Poland, I assure you, everyone would have become Svidomo Ukrainians long ago. And so the wrong country was called "Honduras", the mistake of the authorities is that all these years it has been profiting from cheap Russian energy resources and a meager salary for the majority of the population.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Fayter (Roman) Today, 08: 21
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In principle, you are right, but there is one nuance, if a citizen feels that the state cares about himself, then he is ready to defend and cherish him. If we lived in Ukraine now, even as the Baltic, not to mention Poland, I assure you, everyone would have become Svidomo Ukrainians long ago

So it started to happen starting from the 2004s. Why did the Orange Revolution win in 1999, while the 1999 campaign "Ukraine without Kuchma" lost? Because in 90, in Ukraine there was still the inertia of the hungry XNUMXs, I remember the conversations of my Russian-speaking relatives and acquaintances of elders, they say, soon Belarus, Russia and Ukraine will be together, and America will fall. (I listened to this as a child)
But after the 2000 year, economic growth began in Ukraine, and in Russia the Second Chechen still thundered. I now recall in hindsight and understand that many were happy, how great it is that after the collapse of the USSR, they found themselves in a quiet, relatively nourishing SLAVIC country, and that there is no war.
I do not agree with you here:

The mistake of the authorities is that all these years they have profited from cheap Russian energy carriers and a meager salary to the majority of the population.

There was no mistake, since 2000, the citizens of Ukraine imperceptibly began to plunge into sour cream and almost jelly banks. In my private house near Berdyansk, even the garage was heated with gas. Yes, the salary was enough for the butt, I agree. But thanks to a cheap communal apartment, the Center, South and East of Ukraine did not know what "earnings" were in the broad sense of the word. At the same time, gratitude was born to the "Ukraine" project, not to the authorities or the Government, but to Ukraine. This is how assimilation took place. I have a friend from Tula, who drowned so much for Euromaidan that some in Western Ukraine whom I met were compared to her as "quilted jackets". She herself even emphasized this with joy that she was 100% Russian, and for Ukraine, and drove in the direction of Crimea. Do you know why? The resort town of Berdyansk, rented housing to vacationers, including Russians. Easy Money. Therefore, when the resort Odessa swallowed May 2, 2014, everything was clear to me.
Crimea is also a resort, but cultural diffusion with Russia was not interrupted there.

[2 Level Advisor]

I think they all realize, they are officers of the Soviet school, and even the Moscow school, the elite of SA officers are graduates .. but they were taught in the Soviet army that orders are not discussed .. and they also probably think that Russia is unlikely to attack, and its Natsiks if something is wrong, they’ll quickly put them on the globe .. this of course does not apply to any PS scumbags who did terrible things that only mass gallows will fix, but I think there aren’t any graduates of Soviet military schools in PS

[bukhach]

In my opinion, everything that you indicated has a place to be, because everyone has a different way. Indeed, there is not and cannot be one single reason for such behavior of these people.

[Thrifty]

If the problem remains alive, let him shoot himself, and, in this way, he will solve the problem.

[41 REGION]

Let him live with the thought that Ylovaisk may happen again

[knn54]

Now this problem, at least the General Staff ...

[Mountain shooter]

Sober and reasonable? If so, then this is bad ... It would be better if all sorts of Geletei commanded there ... Although at the level of combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is almost the same who commands ... The result is known in advance ...

[Gray brother]

His problem is that he is stubborn in life. He was told - put down your weapons and leave calmly, and he made a "breakthrough".

Khomchak further stated that “remained with the soldiers as a deterrent”,

From his own words, there were as many as 14 people directly with him. He heroically restrained them.
Personal protection, as I understand it.

[Altona]

Quote: Gray Brother

He was told - put down your weapons and leave calmly, and he made a "breakthrough".

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Judging by the touching passage of drinking water from the river, one can even guess that the "breakthrough" was more likely of a medical nature.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Altona

the breakthrough was more of a medical nature.

And indeed it is. A breakthrough from the encirclement is a military operation, it is units covering the withdrawal, it’s a battle, and what they did then was like getting out of a trench during a battle, putting your hands in your pockets and going to the hut.

[Kerosene Vitamin]

In the same place, the holy law is in effect - "Brehat - do not plow, told lies and rested."

[Observer2014]

Widespread advertising of Russian vodka with tricolor. I asked myself the question: “Where am I? It is Ukraine?

Thu-yu on it. In Russia we have Coca-Cola ads everywhere. And Pepsi. And something we did not become Americans.

According to Khomchak, today it is necessary to change the consciousness of people.

smart gudgeon

Probably my main problem is that I remained alive (near Ilovaisk).

He knows better

[Moskovit]

At first I almost died from vodka in the Crimea, then near Ilovaysk from shortness of breath, when I was draping ahead of everyone.

[Ⅴ - vendetta]

"Russia has been preparing to take away the peninsula since the declaration of Ukrainian independence."

And how...

[Fayter]

By the way, a work neighbor served under him in the Donbass, when the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Staff arrived at the unit, Khomchak was the only one who told them that the tragedy of Ilovaisk and the deaths of hundreds of soldiers were on their conscience.

[Vladimir M]

You probably do not know that this "only conscientious truth-lover", with an exit corridor, sent his army to a breakthrough, and he himself, with a citizen, a birch tree and a guard, fumbled through the bushes while his army was threshed

[naidas]

Quote: Fayter

the Minister of Defense and the chief of staff arrived, Khomchak was the only one who told them in person that the tragedy of Ilovaisk and the deaths of hundreds of soldiers were on their conscience.

And you believed that the minister and chief of staff were to blame, and not like your neighbor and Khomchak?

[Vladimir M]

for the sake of justice, it is worth saying that the order for a breakthrough was from the Moscow Region and the General Staff, which would then yell about the overpower. Khomchak and executed the order, sent the army to breakthrough, and he himself into the bushes

[Vladimir M]

and yet, the capture of Ilovaysk was a private initiative of Kolomoisky, Filatov, Korban, they sent battalions of Natsik to capture, and then the APU pulled themselves to their aid

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

When they threw their boys into these cauldrons, they perfectly understood what would happen. And now he is directly building himself such a noble one, before it was necessary to think about it.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

When they threw their boys into these cauldrons, they perfectly understood what would happen. And now he is directly building himself such a noble one, before it was necessary to think about it.

Well, of our generals, who ditched people in Grozny in the PCV, especially no one tears his hair ....

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

We have many of the generals, and now, as you said, they tear their hair for those guys, and not only they, even ordinary officers and those guys who weren’t even there, besides that they always remember and grieve those guys who stayed there, you can’t compare and even to cite Chechnya as an example and this conflict, these are completely different conflicts. And this general shows to another show that he is so correct.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

We have many of the generals and now, as you said, they tear the hair for those guys, and not only they, even ordinary officers

I don't know such people ... everyone refers to the clumsy decisions of "senior comrades", they are silent about their personal inaction ...
The commanders of those units that were destroyed near the "Minutka" square, did not even set up a combat guard ...
All generals acknowledge gouging, but no one repents ....

here you can’t compare and even cite Chechnya as an example and this conflict, these are completely different conflicts

The conflicts are both the same, we had WHO who had the APU, and they and we fought to maintain the integrity of the state ....
For us, the LDNR Armed Forces militias fighting for independence, but for the West, Chechens were the same then ...
Also on the ground, APU soldiers say that their plans for the ATO, someone is surrendering at the top, everything is like ours ....
I personally can understand the feelings of the APU soldiers since I myself was in their shoes ...
Lord Jud and the OSCE mission came to us in Chechnya, the same thing happens in Ukraine ...
Empiricists do not care and the integrity of neither the Russian Federation nor Ukraine is disadvantageous ....

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

We have many of the generals and now, as you said, they tear the hair for those guys, and not only they, even ordinary officers

I don't know such people ... everyone refers to the clumsy decisions of "senior comrades", they are silent about their personal inaction ...
The commanders of those units that were destroyed near the "Minutka" square, did not even set up a combat guard ...
All generals acknowledge gouging, but no one repents ....

here you can’t compare and even cite Chechnya as an example and this conflict, these are completely different conflicts

The conflicts are both the same, we had WHO who had the APU, and they and we fought to maintain the integrity of the state ....
For us, the LDNR Armed Forces militias fighting for independence, but for the West, Chechens were the same then ...
Also on the ground, APU soldiers say that their plans for the ATO, someone is surrendering at the top, everything is like ours ....
I personally can understand the feelings of the APU soldiers since I myself was in their shoes ...
Lord Jud and the OSCE mission came to us in Chechnya, the same thing happens in Ukraine ...
Empiricists do not care and the integrity of neither the Russian Federation nor Ukraine is disadvantageous ....

And what do you think should the generals arrange this clowning as they do in the Kiev generals, if you please, it will not be easier for anyone to do this, and why there is no point in doing this, after whom they needed to thank their relatives. Moreover, you yourself were in Chechnya and you understand everything perfectly. How to deal with the war.

[Altona]

Quote: Lara Croft

The empirialists do not care and the integrity of neither the Russian Federation nor Ukraine is disadvantageous ...

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Actually, 30 years ago we were one state. And for some reason, not a single military man prevented the collapse of the USSR. Everyone shouted that they were paid little and that they no longer needed this state, although they seemed to be taking the oath. Oh, yes, the oath says "by order", but there was no order. In general, it is somehow difficult for me to understand the position of the military on the preservation of the USSR. Now they do not tear their hair, they blame others. They say the students are to blame. rockers, anyone. And they didn't have an order. Zhukov quietly carried out the coup at the request of Khrushchev and did not ask for any order.

[bukhach]

There are differences, and not small ones. Our civil war had a pronounced national-religious character in contrast to Ukraine and time allowed Chechnya to live on its own without touching it, just like Ukraine. Well, the degree of bitterness was much higher, compare though would be relevant to the prisoners.

[WAGNER]

Probably my main problem is that I remained alive (near Ilovaisk).

There was a case, we gave Natsik a light there .. Draped all throwing))) I remembered it and buzzing!
It would not hurt to arrange the Kiev boiler in a double ring

[Aliken]

General, and mumbles as a cadet.

[SASHA OLD]

Chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: My problem is that I survived under Ilovaisk

his problem is that he is a bad commander and no-one warrior

[TermNachTer]

In Ukraine, now everyone is tormented by one question. In the official biography of the combatant, I wanted to write as in that joke - pid ... sa, but we will write as it is hanerala, there is a little nuance. "Near Ilovaisk, I did not abandon my soldiers ...". the author of the biography is dark. Those who were in Ilovaisk or remained there or were taken prisoner. Hanar was neither there nor there. Everyone is tormented by vague doubts

[Vasyan1971]

According to Khomchak, today it is necessary to change the consciousness of people.

Yes, it's time for a long time! And then somewhere it went wrong. The farther, the worse.

[stalkerwalker]

According to the head of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, all those who went through the Ilovaisk boiler were “heroes. It turns out that he considers himself a hero.

This is hereditary ...
The same "heroes" fought against their own people from 1944 to 1956 of the last century. The "Bandera Renaissance" is drowned in its own blood.

[midshipman]

I had to visit Crimea very often. He was never Ukrainian. I was responsible to the Government of the country for equipping 26 airfields there, the NIUTK complex in Saki. Prepared in Simferopol an alternate airfield for the ISS "Buran". We tested our aircraft-carrying ships in the Golden Valley Bay. With Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky led the military exercises of 3 military districts.
Tagged and drunk tried to sell the country, and it happened to some extent.

[Lara Croft]

According to Khomchak, then he was in Crimea for the last time on vacation and "was shocked by what he saw."
The chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said that he appeared "bad the remainder of the Soviet Union».

I do not know what he thinks by the word "bad" ...
Although about the remnants of the Soviet Union, he is right in something .....
Last fall, I was relaxing near Sevastopol, the service is very unobtrusive, I found out that borsch can be without meat ... on the other hand, no matter how I got into the childhood of the RSFSR of the 80s .... nor wanted to leave ...
I recommend visiting the local mountains ...

[naidas]

"Russia has been preparing to take away the peninsula since the declaration of Ukrainian independence."

In Belovezhskaya Pushcha, Kravchuk asked Yeltsin: “What will we do with Crimea?”; he answered: "Yes, take it." "Crimea for the Kremlin."

[Evil 55]

On the one hand, if I survived near Ilovaisk, it means that it knows what happens when the Russians fight for their homeland, and on the other hand (let's hope) that the Ilovaisk pot served him a very good lesson for the future ..

[Berkut24]

My problem is that I stayed alive near Ilovaisk

This problem can be solved for a real military officer with the help of service weapons. And swineherd in uniforms are not capable of this.

[ratan524]

"Probably my main problem is that I survived near Ilovaisk."
LDNR was not finalized. It doesn’t.

[faterdom]

Probably my main problem is that I remained alive (near Ilovaisk).

I also have a problem .... Again under Ilovaisk - and - there! General colleagues are already eating there. In the heavenly APU.

[23424636]

I read his revelation on other resources and I will say the following: his return to operation is more likely connected with good maps because there are no signs at the fork in Komsomolskoye and he turned onto the bridge, across Kalmius and drove onto the highway through Razdolnoye Vasilyevka ended up in Staraya Laspe from which I got to my . , Other column rushed directly to Solntsevo through Novozaryevka were laid when crossing an unknown art. Lucky.

[LeonidL]

The problem is that he betrayed the duty of Honor and Oath as a Soviet officer and went to serve in the army of Ukrainian nationalists to kill the people of Donbass, who rebelled against the newly-born fascists.

[NF68]

The problem of the whole of modern Ukraine is that far from all horses from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have always been soothed in numerous boilers in the east.

[iouris]

Russia is Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Ukraine is AntiRF. That is the problem. This leads to a way to resolve the problem.