The second MRK project 22800 "Sovetsk" went on sea trials

The second small rocket ship "Sovetsk" (formerly "Typhoon", the name remained on board) of the 22800 ("Karakurt") project went to factory running trials. The ship was towed by tugboat from the Pella along the Neva to Lake Ladoga, in the waters of which they will be tested. State tests will be held in the Baltic Sea.

RTO "Sovetsk" ("Typhoon") was laid down at the Shipyard "Pella" on December 24, 2015 at the same time as the head RTO "Hurricane". The lead ship was launched on July 29, 2017 and became part of the Baltic fleet December 17 last year under the name "Mytishchi". The second RTO Typhoon (Sovetsk) was launched on November 24, 2017, and its commissioning is expected by the end of 2019.

Currently, two more RTOs of this project are under construction at the Pella CVC: Squall (renamed Odintsovo) laid / launched on July 29 2016 / 5 in May 2018 of the year and Storm was laid / launched on December 24 2016 / 23 October 2018, respectively. At the same time, at the SSZ “More” in Feodosia under the contract for the construction of seven ships concluded with “Pella”, three MRCs are under construction: “Storm” (renamed to “Kozelsk”), “Okhotsk” and “Whirlwind”.

5 August 2016, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of five more RTOs of the 22800 project with AO Gorky Zelenodolsk Plant (Zelenodolsk). The order is distributed between Zelenodolsk and the GCC “Zaliv” in Kerch, on which the Cyclone MRK (July 26 2016 of the year) and Monsoon (Askold) were laid, and November 12 18 of the Passat (Amur) were laid down , laid 2016 July 30 of the year). In Zelenodolsk tab IRC "Tucha" was 2017 February 26 of the year.

In August, the Ministry of Defense 2018 entered into contracts for the construction of six more RTOs for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) with delivery on 2026 year, and two ships on JSC "Eastern Shipyard" (Vladivostok) with delivery on 2023 year.

The ships of the 22800 "Karakurt" project are actually being replaced in the construction for the Russian Navy of the RTOs of the 21631 project (cipher "Buyan-M"), of which only 12 units have been ordered. According to the plans of the Russian Navy, the fleet should include no less than 18 of the IRC project 22800, however, the construction of the ships is hampered due to insufficient production rates for them of МХNUMX diesel engines at PJSC Zvezda.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In vain the Ministry of Defense renamed RTOs. Either the letters on board will force the Pella to digest, or the crew will stencil it like on the Hurricane.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

In vain MO renamed IRAs.

With naval poverty, though bad, the ship will still have a "boss". The chiefs will at least give the crew a TV set, a music center ... or they will bring food on the Day of the ship. And what are you with your native MO or BF (not to mention the ZVO - fiercely loving "sailors", as they say!), Especially from the natural phenomenon "typhoon"? Acknowledgment or certificate? Or "no-show" according to the forecast? So, let them rename, raise shreds
"patriotism", again, the Yunarmeytsy will have a place to take on an excursion ...
("We swam - we know!" (C)

[Destiny]

Yes, I walked proudly under the number, and my number proudly died, than to dishonor such Ships by the names of such Kalmykians, etc. It's a shame you should say such things, Sasha ... I did not expect ...

[kepmor]

Chefs, Chefs, discord ...
my licensed IPC also had chefs from Naro-Fominsk ... no sense ... they came a couple of times with some pennants and napkins for the wardroom ... but they ate and drank lordly for 3-4 days .. .

[novel66]

and what is bad about Kalmykia. or even Mytishchi? What do you have against Russian cities?

[alexander1]

Are you just from a coma? no longer 90 years! What telly? Check out the manual, there you took the wrong year for the troll!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: alexander1

Are you just from a coma? no longer 90 years! What telly? Check out the manual, there you took the wrong year for the troll!

Hamish, kid !!! (with)
And with what now chefs go in parts?
Open a terrible military secret, about not serving a day in the fleet !?

[LiSiCyn]

Alexander
People do not understand that the ship is empty like a drum when transferring to the fleet. In household provision. No one in the factory sets up a plasma, at least with us. And all the arrangement falls on the shoulders of the crew.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: LiSiCyn

that the ship in the transfer fleet is empty, like a drum. In the domestic provision.

Stas,
Apparently you had to accept a new building, with a whining crew from all this, the lack of "floating" and OUS at the o / s and mines, the lack of places in family dormitories, therefore, with rented apartments, barracks instead of cockpits and 1 TV set for the entire crew .. ...
But we have "experts" from the Berbaza or near it, who know everything and brand everything with true anger, they even put down minuses with pleasure! realizing their "significance" in the matter of naval chatter. For the question of renaming a ship is, of course, important (when there is a ship!), But it does not determine the combat readiness of the crew and the glorious traditions of the NAME SHIP!

[LiSiCyn]

No Alexander, I am a "landowner"
But living in Kaliningrad, I often communicate, both with the factory (Yantar) and with the sea ... My son-in-law, on the "Golovin", and my brother wasted in Sevastopol. I wrote about Golovin's extreme trip to Syria. But the moderators have deleted, apparently a Terrible Mystery ...
But there, there was my opinion about renaming.
I am for Sovetsk.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

they’ll give a telly to the crew, a music center ... or they will bring it to the ship’s Day

This is understandable. There was a bad weather division "Hurricane", "Typhoon", "Shkval", "Tempest", etc., and the division became "on the raion": "Mytishchi", "Sovetsk", "Odintsovo", "Kozelsk"

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

and became a division "on the district": "Mytishchi", "Sovetsk", "Odintsovo", "Kozelsk"

It's a shame you say, you know, yeah ... (c)
Aristarchus, you're wrong! Sovetsk - a city in the Kaliningrad region, Kozelsk - also a city, and even with the legend of Evpatii Kolovrat! Mytishchi - consider that more than some cities in central Russia, Odintsovo, by the way, too. But to have good patronage relations is the business of the commander and his deputy. Then all the benefits will be. And the military registration and enlistment offices will be guided to the sponsored ship. Everything can be done, you just need to do it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Sovetsk is a city in the Kaliningrad region, Kozelsk is also a city, and even with the legend of Evpatiya Kolovrat! Mytishchi - consider that more than some cities of central Russia,

Sasha, welcome.
Cities such as Mytishchi across Russia cannot be counted. I mean that the series should be increased, well, and the displacement should be slightly increased. The deadlines for such ships should be less. I really hope that soon such RTOs will be delivered much faster than now.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

It would be better to cover up this series from the word at all. In favor of full corvettes.

Friend, do not pour salt on my wound ... it would be nice if there were more corvettes, but only our Ministry of Defense has other plans for this, apparently. And looking at how the Chinese are building their fleet, and at what pace, it becomes very sad. And the question is, have we remained an OCEAN power? To be honest, I have not been waiting for news for a long time, such as 20 corvettes or frigates are laid down and will be handed over two a year ... although this would really be a holiday. And here we were accustomed to rejoice even in such news, with the launch of the RTOs.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

We have ceased to be an ocean power de jure since the submission of fleets to the command of military districts.

Rudolph, here I am about that and therefore I don’t feel any puppy joy. Alas ... a new coastal man? Well, yes ... well, where is the new destroyer? Where are a couple of corvettes a year? Where are the frigates, at least one a year, but at least without time shifts?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

it would be necessary to increase the series, well, and slightly raise the displacement.

Andrew, hello!
The ships are built under the task. They will reconsider their views on the use of RTOs - there will be new weapons and tasks After that, they will reach the tactics and the OI, reconsider their place and role in the system of surface forces of the Navy. Calculate the combat capabilities, taking into account the opposition and call the required quantity. But, as a matter of fact, MRK are ships of closed MTVD, such as BM and FM, Caspian Sea. Well, the protection of coastal communications and the naval base - without them can not do.
At the expense of displacement. And where are those factories that will pull 1800-2000 tons instead of 750-850? So they proceed “from the availability of opportunities,” as one figure once said to me.
Somehow, however!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Ships are built for the task.

Sasha, you don’t tell me the truth then ... I’m talking about something else altogether. The arsenal is good, but with carriers we have full Ales. We give birth to corvettes with frigates very painfully and for a long time. And this despite the fact that we have a maritime border that nifiga is not small. And chasing karakurts into the oceans is chickens laughing. The fleet is increasingly slipping into the rank of bribrezhny. So what kind of tasks are you broadcasting here? About coastal protection? And where is the title of a great sea power? Where, Sasha?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

So what are you talking about here? About the protection of coastal boundaries?

This little boat has great features! It depends on the fact that in UKSK 3C14 it should be downloaded: CRR or KRBD! Therefore: targets at a distance of up to 2,6 thousand kilometers under the gun are a very serious matter.
And for common truths - I'm sorry, I will not. AHA.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This small boat has great opportunities!

Sasha, you can give opportunities and a bulk carrier barge. But tell me, where is at least a hint of a desire to build destroyers and cruisers? Super-Gorshkov not a single one is laid. All naval powers build muscle by building destroyers and aircraft carriers, but not us. We are building RTOs, which are for coastal waters and more. Where do they have PLO and air defense? They are far from the shore defenseless targets and no more. The sense of these CDs and RCCs, if they are essentially in case of application, almost from the wall, will it be necessary to let them go?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

But tell me where at least a hint of a desire to build destroyers and cruisers?

Andrew, all right. Only the budget is not rubber, for everything at once - not enough!
Now the issue is resolved with the GEM, the project, the weapons ... the system of basing and support ... I am sure it will come to the ships. I would like to quickly, but, alas, USC - there is USC !!!

Quote: NEXUS

We build RTOs, which are for the coastal area and only. Where they have air defense and air defense?

IRA speed - PLO. But the main threat - IOS - yes! His air defense is nominal, rather for complacency. And so under the cover of the coast, or together with EM-FR as part of the CUG ... By the way, this option was worked out.

Quote: NEXUS

Sense from these KR and PKR

The raid operation: jumped out, found - started up, ran back to the base, under the cover of the forces of the Navy and the Air Force.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But to establish good patronage relations is the business of the commander and his deputy. Then everyone will benefit.

Eh! The naval managers were cheap, however. It was necessary to give the names "Washington", "Tokyo", "Beijing", "Monte Carlo", "Tel Aviv".

[Polite Moose]

Quote from rudolf

Then Chubais, Abramovich, Rotenberg ... Named, so to speak!

Well, from these unless a pack of napkins and a rug in the wardroom can be obtained. Not more.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Kozelsk is also a city, and even with the legend of Evpatiya Kolovrat!

I apologize, namesake, but Kolovrat is Ryazan (they have a modest SSBN in their care) And Kozelsk - "Evil City", they have a legend "on a level" with Ryazan.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

they’ll give a telly to the crew, a music center ... or they will bring it to the ship’s Day

This is understandable. There was a bad weather division "Hurricane", "Typhoon", "Shkval", "Tempest", etc., and the division became "on the raion": "Mytishchi", "Sovetsk", "Odintsovo", "Kozelsk"

No objection to the renaming, but I like the bad weather division name better.

[VIT101]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

No objection to the renaming, but I like the bad weather division name better.

It is useless to argue here, but the question is, who thought of such a thing? Change beautiful historical names? Obviously not naval. Some kind of land chief, swimming except on an air mattress. They say what you call a ship, so it will sail.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

or the pupils will bring

A liberal whining about hungry sailors and senior citizens went.

Swam - we know!

That's it, that SAIL, like that substance in the hole.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Piramidon

That's it, that SAIL, like that substance in the hole.

Pyramidon, but you've never been to the sea at all! So, shut up in a rag! Yes, and about the Soviet classics (film "Volga-Volga") - it seems, I also did not look!
Then, since when did you enroll me in libroids? Look at the calendar - you will miss my posts in support of the LGBD !!! And you: "Liberal whining, liberal whining ..." - you need to screw up your opponent harder, harder !!!
Therefore - train! strenuously and intensely, as in the class of pre-flight training before the first independent vyserom, sorry, departure.
Good luck, styapan!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

steapan

But this already fully characterizes your mental development. Teaser by distorting the name at the level of the middle group of kindergarten, fellow floating Shurik. And it’s not for you to tell me where to be silent. You still need to grow up.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Piramidon

Grow still need.

Stepan! Are you kidding me !?
I probably won't live to be 100 years old ... how much more "to grow up"? Buratino you are wooden and your advice is the same - wooden!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Stepan!

Well, you have once again confirmed with your teasers your low level of mental development, the child is overgrown.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Pinocchio you are wooden and your advice is the same - wooden!

I will not specify what material you are made of. Guess if you have enough mind.

[Greg Miller]

After the termination of the INF Treaty, all these "Karakurt" and "Buyany-M", which have absolutely no air defense and anti-aircraft missile defense, does not make sense to build from the word at all.

[Thrifty]

Greg Miller -special for you to build RTOs with ICBMs on board - will this work for you ???

[swzero]

what shell is not air defense? Poor - this is a completely different size - we need helicopters. And to be honest, the possibilities of detecting apl 4 generations in modern ones are limited, and even long-term contact retention is completely impossible - is it worth it to fence a garden? Bases can be covered with stationary detection systems and base helicopters, and looking for a modern submarine in the sea is beyond fantasy. Here minesweepers are modern, yes, they are needed, but they have nothing to do with karakuts.

[NEXUS]

Quote: swzero

what shell is not air defense?

You recall how the Jews dealt with a single shell? The shell is the near radius of the air defense, which does not give any guarantees whatsoever. Ships must interact as part of a grouping, warrant, and when it is a loner or a group of RTOs with unintelligible PLO and air defense, then these are targets, and very easy for the same submarines.

[swzero]

Jews destroyed the shell, which was not operational at the time of the attack. The latest modifications have a detection range of 75 km, a destruction range of 40 km. Quite a serious indicator. Also in the long term announced the possibility of increasing the range of damage to 70 km. Destruction of any air defense system is a matter of oversaturation with its goals. In addition, the shell according to the results of the Syrian company was seriously modernized. And who said that the carapace will be single-karakuts imprisoned for group actions, it is for this purpose that they have advanced SLAs and radars allowing them to operate in a single information field.

[NEXUS]

Quote: swzero

Jews destroyed the shell, which was not operational at the time of the attack.

They stupidly overloaded him, attacking from different directions a large number of missiles. I’m telling you not about the first destruction of the Shell in the field, but about the second when the Shell was fighting off. But he was alone.

Quote: swzero

The latest modifications have a detection range of 75 km, a range of destruction of 40 km.

Missiles for the new Shell-cm are not yet arriving. But Shell-SM itself is not yet in the troops, from the word at all.

Quote: swzero

In addition, the shell according to the results of the Syrian company was seriously modernized.

You didn’t understand the main idea of ​​mine - RTOs with such weak air defense can only operate under the protection of ground systems, which means that our de facto fleet becomes COAST, and not ocean, as was the case with the Union. But the Chinese are building the ocean fleet.

[swzero]

MRK can and will act as a group and then the air defense will be normal. The massive launch of a series of Karakuts and the modernization of gadflies are associated with the inability of the industry to supply the right amount of new frigates and corvettes. Such ships are better than none. Sailors need to swim on something and train personnel. Well, IMHO, the export potential of the Karakuts is not bad - they will establish a series, it will be possible to sell abroad.

[Nastia makarova]

and vice versa, the MO increases the number of orders, are they traitors or don’t they understand?

[Tusv]

Quote: Greg Miller

having absolutely no means of air defense and anti-aircraft defense, building does not make sense from the word at all.

He defended the Navy base in Liepaja as an air defense. At that time, Our ships didn’t have air defense at all from the word. They somehow did not have to. Our umbrella was enough. This I am talking about small corvettes, armed to the teeth. He doesn’t go to the ocean, but destroy what we don’t like in the coastal zone. To do this, we have air defense personnel with a radius of destruction much higher than the supposed patrol zone of Karakurt

[KCA]

It’s just that they are acquiring greater importance, these are ready-made medium-range mobile missile systems that can be located on the Volga from Moscow and the Caspian

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: KCA

which can be located on the Volga from Moscow and the Caspian

smiled .... and educate ka ??

[KCA]

What specifically enlighten? The fact that RTOs with a draft of 4 m can move along the Volga from Moscow to the Caspian? Or maybe you don’t know that Moscow is connected to the Volga Canal named after Moscow, which begins in my city? And, by the way, I’m not a saint, I don’t know how to enlighten

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: KCA

The fact that RTOs with a draft of 4 m can move along the Volga from Moscow to the Caspian?

yes, it’s in this .... do you even know about the depths on Mother Volga? .... how will the 1 meter 80cm thresholds go ???))) .... will there be a discharge from the dams?

[KCA]

Are you raving Thresholds on the Volga and a depth of 1,8m? On the Volga, which is blocked by 8 dams and is practically a reservoir? For example, we technically do not have the Volga, above the Ivankovo ​​dam, directly from the Ivankovo ​​dam the Uglich reservoir begins. Or are you about the Volga in the source, under the Vyshny Volochok? There, yes, there you can go on foot, like Don in the source area, I personally re-wrote from childhood to coast
Motor ships of the project 302
Length 129,1 m
Width 16,7 m
Precipitation 2,94 m
Source: https://www.locman.net/302.htm

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: KCA

Are you raving?

young man, do not be rude - this is the time, but two 1.8 under Gorodets of the Nizhny Novgorod Region have been reading for 5 years now !! first, at least read something fresh on the Volga, but our barges are not loaded to the eyeballs .... only half - Gorodets will pass and load already somewhere in Chkalovsk and beyond !!! Our barges - this means in our company ownership !!

[KCA]

Explain how cruise ships with a draft of 2,4-3 meters go along the route from Moscow to Astrakhan, Saratov, Samara, Kazan, etc., all the cities below Nizhny Novgorod? How are they being dragged past Nizhny Novgorod? Rope passengers like barge haulers? I looked, the main cruises are booked all, almost until the end of navigation

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: KCA

Explain how cruise ships

but what to explain .... how 5 years ago aground such a trough stood for 3 days ..... they don’t go any more, and if they go, they’re no longer 4 decks, but 2 or 3, besides they stand in line for dumping of platinum .... otherwise do not pass

[KCA]

We have a Volga a little more than 300m wide, maybe due to the rise of water from the Uglichsky airborne forces, but all last summer 4-deckers went, and this year I already saw

[Alexey RA]

Quote: KCA

It’s just that they are acquiring greater importance, these are ready-made medium-range mobile missile systems that can be located on the Volga from Moscow and the Caspian

You confuse 22800 and 21631. The river variant of the RTOs was 21631. The 22800 currently under construction is a marine variant that sacrificed a small draft for the sake of seaworthiness.

And most importantly - why build MRCs with SLCM launchers, if now it is possible to officially equip rbr with ground launchers of the same launchers? These PUs are much less visible and are not tied to waterways.

[Every]

Quote: Greg Miller

After the termination of the INF Treaty, all these "Karakurt" and "Buyany-M", which have absolutely no air defense and anti-aircraft missile defense, does not make sense to build from the word at all.

And then we minus the person? He correctly noticed, after the termination of the INF Treaty, the meaning in such RTOs simply disappears.
Short- and medium-range missiles can now be deployed on the shore. And this is MUCH cheaper than building naval carriers. VVP said - we will land "Caliber".
Better to build PLO ships with this money. Here they are just sorely lacking. And without them, the "strategists" simply will not be able to calmly leave the base, since nuclear submarines of potential friends have long been on duty at all exits. And there is no one to drive them.

[armata_armata]

And then we minus the person?

The script at Urashka worked here and minus, and so the meaning in these boats is really 0

[KCA]

We will land, but how long it will take, and these are ready-made missile systems, while the Calibers are put on wheels, even with the long-standing reserves of the Granat and the serial Bastion, it will take three years, maybe more

[Every]

Quote: KCA

We will land, but how long it will take, and these are ready-made missile systems, while the Calibers are put on wheels, even with the long-standing reserves of the Granat and the serial Bastion, it will take three years, maybe more

Simple arithmetic:
- the period from the moment of laying the ship to its commissioning is about 4 years (MRK "Sovetsk" ("Typhoon") was laid down at the shipyard "Pella" on December 24, 2015, only now it went to sea trials)
And this ship is less than 1000 tons of displacement.
So think about how long it takes to build the entire series.
10-15 years?
- A universal launcher 3S14 has already been created for Calibers.
- There are wheeled missile systems "Bastion" (which is unlikely) and "Iskander" (which is most likely).
Even if you spend 3 years adapting missiles for Iskander, it is still faster and cheaper than building ships that carry only 8 missiles.

[KCA]

Now, right now, from our medium-range mobile missile systems, we have only RTOs and strategic bombers, so at this moment RTOs are of particular importance; , supplies to the troops will begin, then they will be more important, cheaper, there will be many more of them, but so far there is no alternative, we must make the most of what we have

[Every]

Quote: KCA

Now, right now, from medium-range mobile missile systems, we only have RTOs ................ but so far there is no alternative, we must make the most of what is

Who is against it?
Mortgaged ships naturally need to be completed.
But there is no sense in laying new ones. At the time of their commissioning, at least 10 years will pass.
In my opinion, project 22800 needs to be reworked. Give him a good ASG, replace armament with anti-submarine weapons and build them not as MRCs, but as MPKs.
At the same time, maintaining the size (well, it can slightly increase) and technology will allow them to be built at the same plants using the same facilities and the same workers will be able to build them.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: KCA

We will land, but how long will it take

Not at all. For ground-based launchers of similar Onyxes are in serial production and are in service. It's just that they are classified as coastal SCRCs, and not as PU GLCMs.

[Xscorpion]

Can they bypass it because the Treaty is still in force and no one has left it? Have you tried to go into the topic at least a little bit? Or did you hear the OBS and start wailing that the INF Treaty has ceased to exist? But in fact it is fully operational, except for the temporary cancellation of mutual inspections .

[Every]

Quote: Xscorpion

Can they bypass it because the Treaty is still in force and no one has left it? Didn’t you try to go deeper into the topic? Or did you hear the OBS and began to lament, saying that the INF Treaty has ceased to exist? But in fact it is fully operational, for
with the exception of the temporary cancellation of mutual inspections.

The Russian Federation suspended its participation in the INF Treaty.
This has been officially announced:

MOSCOW, February 2. / TASS /. Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with defense and foreign ministers Sergei Shoigu and Sergei Lavrov announced the suspension of Russian participation in the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF Treaty).

The contract is concluded indefinitely but either of the parties may terminate it. Recent events indicate that this Treaty has come to an end.
You can certainly sit and console yourself with the fact that the Treaty is still in effect in theory.
Although in fact you need to prepare for the fact that it WILL NOT.
In order not to be surprised then that the United States has such missiles, and we sat for some reason ......... m sat and abided by the Treaty, on which the other side wanted to spit. Also scream that we were once again deceived.

[Xscorpion]

Suspension of the contract is not a break at all. With a probability of 99 percent in a couple of months, all parties will regain their participation. Trump is stepping up a little and will return, breaking it is not beneficial to anyone, this is clear to any adequate person. And you already share the skin of an unkilled bear.

[Every]

Quote: Xscorpion

The suspension of the contract is not a break at all. With a probability of 99 percent in a couple of months, all parties will regain their participation.

There is a 99 percent chance that the contract will be terminated. The United States wants to drag China into him, and he rests on his hands, feet and tail. In fact, Trump did not start this whole almshouse because of the so-called. "Innovator", but because of China. The United States does not need this treaty without China's participation.
In short, spring will show who sits down where.

[Armata T-14]

The baby is good, only the back in black looks foreign. However, aesthetics for weapons is far from the main thing)

[kepmor]

... only the back in black looks foreign ...

nothing foreign, everything is very practical ... the exhaust from diesels is caustic to the point of horror ... tightly eats up into the ball paint of the sides ... you’ll wash the hell out ... the boatswain is tortured to tint the stern every week, and beat off the waterline ...

[novel66]

excellent knowledge of the subject!

[kepmor]

thank you! ... 15 years "on iron" ... such an experience should not be forgotten, not spent on drink ...

[Thrifty]

Annoying this renaming! Could leave the ships their original names!

[Tusv]

Quote: Thrifty

Annoying this renaming!

Too shy to ask. Have we renamed many ships? Especially recently? The name of the ship is given when? When the flag is hoisted. After raising the flag were renaming? Name it!
PS: I am against renaming the ship after raising the Flag,

[pin_code]

I agree. one was renamed Askold. it turns out interestingly .. there is a cruiser Varyag on the roadstead and near ASKOLD. nor any succession in the names of the ships.

[Tusv]

Eh. Such small corvettes could have threatened all of Europe a year ago from internal lakes and rivers, until the Americans got out of the DRSD And now. Alas. Not so formidable, But still. a pair of such babies will protect any port from Arly Berkov and they will not ask the name of the drowned man

[Nastia makarova]

and what can not be threatened now?

[Nastia makarova]

and then there will also be water from the water)))) a double blow, while the ground ones must still be created and wait for the amerekos to deploy their medium range

[novel66]

possible, but soon. until rsd on duty did not put

[Nastia makarova]

Amerokos did not deliver?

[novel66]

it will be at the same time, we will face the Swede ... the Germans .. the Frenchman ... further on the list ....

[Nastia makarova]

so we’ll threaten RTOs, in our country with its rivers there will always be application

[Black sniper]

I apologize for possibly stupid questions. 1. Why is the back of the RTOs painted black? 2. Why were they renamed?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Black Sniper

. Why was the back of the RTOs painted black? 2. Why were they renamed?

So neatly, from diesels after the hike, the entire side will be black from soot and soot. Renamed due to patronage. Patronage implies the provision of financial assistance - a telly in the wardroom or gifts for the crew ...

[bk316]

And they saw how they wash it - the plague ..... Nothing is washed, the paint slides in places .... We have to paint.

[Marat79]

Can someone explain what kind of difficulty it is to make a diesel engine, that it is being built with such a strain as if it were a spaceship? Or is it just a banal lack of lead in the bodies of certain individuals?

[donavi49]

Everything is simple there. You let out these engines since early Brezhnev. Released, released. Then once and for all. Well, or rather, the release narrowed to 0-2-3 per year. And so 15 + years. Plus, again, this is a really dead end branch of the evolution of engines - which others refused in the 70's (the Union planned in the 90's but could not because of the beginning of perestroika = there they cut all these topics). Huge monsters in 100 + cylinders, difficult to manufacture, operate, with a minimal resource by today's standards (MTU has three times more, Chinese have been criticized 2 times).

Well, here they give you a contract for 100500 diesel engines and in a couple of years you have to turn everything in (according to the original plans). Then, they will not be needed again. AND? Attract investors and stoke production? What to do in 2-3 years? And how to return the investment? In general, it did not take off. Plus, there, either the loot was stolen, or the Star initially made impossible obligations, so that the contract would leave her exclusive to her. And there those who signed this mega-contract with the Moscow Region are already removed from management.

[Vadim237]

In general, in Kolomna they made a line of new diesel engines - D 500.

[donavi49]

Not really:
1) D500 is a different type of mid-range diesel. Such put on corvettes for example (actually D49 goes there).
2) D500 - have done so far for Russian Railways only. For the fleet, in the future. Years through 2-3.
3) There are no ships under D500 now.
4) Remembering how important is the Kolomna naval squad (so that it burns with a blue flame and the areas under the main load are re-profiled), there will be big problems with reliability and very leisurely improvements to naval requirements.

The Star has its own Pulsar, as it were. True, it suddenly became clear that due to sanctions it would have to be redone and already mastered by the forces of Russian cooperation. So Pulsar also drove off into the future.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Marat79

Can someone explain what kind of difficulty it is to make a diesel engine, that it is being built with such a strain as if it were a spaceship?

So is the engine extraordinary. Diesel from "Zvezda" is a pair of two "corncobs" of 56 pots each. A total of 112 cylinders.

[Amateur]

Quote: Greg Miller

After the termination of the INF Treaty, all these "Karakurt" and "Buyany-M", which have absolutely no air defense and anti-aircraft missile defense,

What, have already come up with a diving medium-range ballistic missile? Or does the author simply not know how this abbreviation stands for?

[donavi49]

Obviously they said that 1 of such an RTO is replaced by 2 with such machines in Kaliningrad / Crimea.

In the future, this will be supplemented by a new generation of these machines.

Unlike Berkov / the same Nakhimov = these RTOs do not have sufficient autonomy and seaworthiness, which project shock potential anywhere in the world. In fact, the real effective area of ​​their application is limited to the local theater or 5 days from the base. Given the possibility of deploying more powerful striking means in the database and massaging them - cheaper, more efficient, the specific RTOs built around UKKS-8 = lose their positions.

[Amateur]

And what about these of your cars with PLO?
"And what about the yeti? - You need to wash more often." DMB

[donavi49]

So at Buyan - only submersible anti-sabotage sonar station. Karakurt does not have her either. That is, these RTOs, like Iskander-K /, have a new ASBM with PLO in the same way.

Only Iskander-K and the new mobile ballistic missile complex - will be able to carry out the task even under the dominance of submarines, because to cover the mobile complex of the Kyrgyz Republic with a submarine is a difficult task (unless of course you sleep in an arrangement). RTOs, however, in the face of opposition from enemy submarine forces, can actually drown before entering the area and shooting back.

[rruvim]

Here is "Pella" well done. Private shipyard in the interests of MO. They do it on time and are responsible with their own means for the "shortcomings" of their competence. And BIUS "Sigma" is a very good option.

[donavi49]

Well, if earlier they tried to push Pella away from the pie, plus they put sticks in the wheels (even though the same story when they built the new shipyard - where these RTOs are now collecting, they did not give soft loans, the administrative bureaucracy delayed the construction for 1,5 of the year.

Now Pella has strong lobbying in both the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Industry. And priority in all matters. The same engines will go exclusively to them in the first place. Since they have a clogged wall and difficulties in completion. Others (Zelenodoltsy / Crimeans / East Shipyard - wait a year).

[rruvim]

I agree ! Private shipyard, but works like a pendulum. I do not like capitalists, but there is a deviation ... But it will certainly be taken from the current owners.

[bk316]

And I saw how the "hurricane" in Onega went to the running gear. Interestingly, the top of the mast is removed from him, he is in Svir, otherwise the bridge clings.

[Igor Borisov_2]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Alexander
People do not understand that the ship is empty like a drum when transferring to the fleet. In household provision. No one in the factory sets up a plasma, at least with us. And all the arrangement falls on the shoulders of the crew.

I support. We had chefs from Tolyatti - after renaming once a year, one officer and one midshipman and their families went to their campsite, the sailors bought televisions, music centers, printers and photocopiers. And by the New Year they gave 100 thousand rubles. on the holiday table ....

[tchoni]

Good news. Real ship. And then the "jam for tomorrow" is already askom.

[race]

Would have been better off as Typhoon. Even in the Imperial Navy, the Amur flotilla included river gunboats (monitors): Typhoon, Hurricane, Smerch, Thunderstorm, Storm, Shkval, Blizzard and Whirlwind. There would be continuity in the names.

[LiSiCyn]

And in the Baltic, there was a "slushy" minesag division. I hope there will be more. But in this case, I think the renaming is justified.

[race]

Suppose, but who chose the names of cities? And why exactly these cities? There are quite a few cities with names that would suit ships better than these Sovetsk, Kozelsk.

[LiSiCyn]

This is a series: small cities of Russia.

Quote: Rasen

which would suit ships better than these Sovetsk

For Kozelsk, I will not speak. Although he (Kozelsk) is a city of military glory. But, than you did not please Sovetsk? Maybe because you did not hear anything about him ...
The city of Sovetsk, formerly Tilsit, with almost 800 years of history. Have you heard about the "Tilsit World"? The second largest city in the Kaliningrad region. With a lot of blood, our ancestors took this city. This is both a political moment and an organizational and economic one.

[race]

Quote: LiSiCyn

But, than you did not please Sovetsk? Maybe because you did not hear anything about him ...
The city of Sovetsk, formerly Tilsit, with almost 800 years of history. Have you heard about the "Tilsit World"?

Quite right, about Sovetsk, what he was a former Tilsit, he heard for the first time from you. Of course, I am aware of the Tilsit world, like most, I hope, people in Russia. As for me, the name "Tilsit" sounds better for the ship.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Rasen

As for me, the name "Tilsit" sounds better for the ship.

Hush, hush, you, patriots will immediately "bite" you ...

[race]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Quote: Rasen

As for me, the name "Tilsit" sounds better for the ship.

Hush, hush, you, patriots will immediately "bite" you ...

Yes, and not the first time.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: LiSiCyn

And in the Baltic, there was a "slushy" minesag division.

"Bad Weather Division" as part of the MSBM. 6 TFR (or destroyers - as you like) of the "Uragan" type, the first relatively large surface ships of the Soviet construction: "Uragan", "Typhoon", "Smerch", "Cyclone," Thunderstorm "," Whirlwind ".
However, this six was not limited to - all 18 "Hurricanes" were named in honor of weather phenomena.

[LiSiCyn]

I wrote about the Imperial Fleet.

[Horse, people and soul]

And as for me, for RTOs "windy" names are more suitable than the names of cities. Another would be to add 10 knots to the speed and let them remain with the "windy" names.

[Tests]

"Tilsit" is really not a bad name for the MRK of the Russian Federation. How many times did our glorious ancestors take East Prussia during the Seven Years War? There were betrayal of the generals in the 18th century. But this in no way diminishes the glorious deeds of the soldiers and officers of Russia in that war ... Yes, and Kant, whose books, according to the admiral of the Russian 21st century, no one read and will not read, was a citizen of Russia ... Although for me - a bad weather division - better than small towns in Russia.