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Will the ruble answer for "dirty" oil?

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Calm, only calm!


On the eve of the long May holidays, most experts rather calmly assessed the prospects of the Russian ruble. The range of possible national currency rates fluctuated: by the end of the summer - from 64 to 70 rubles, and by December 31 - from 63 to 75 rubles per dollar. And although none of the Russian specialists decided to frighten the public with a frankly low rate, at the same time very few people ventured and predicted that the ruble would rise at least to the dollar mark in 60 rubles.


Only the Singapore company IDEAglobal, which is the most successful selling Russian bonds, dared to “wait” only 58 rubles for a dollar by the end of 2019 of the year. All these weighted forecasts were made not only in the short term (for the period of summer holidays), but also up to the end of 2019.

Will the ruble answer for "dirty" oil?


The main factors in favor of a stable ruble were high oil prices, the possible end of the US-Chinese trade war, serious doubts about the effectiveness of the next portion of anti-Russian sanctions, but above all the tight regulatory policy of the Russian Central Bank.

As is known, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation once again did not reduce the key rate, leaving it at the level of 7,75 percent, which under current conditions can be considered almost “prohibitive”. At least, on a really large scale, commercial banks do not use this rate, preferring to use customer funds or mutual lending. This practice allows the Bank of Russia as the regulator of the foreign exchange market and, at the same time, the issuer of rubles to continue the policy of minimum money supply, restraining inflation.

Calm and even optimistic forecasts for the Russian ruble were made at a time when it was already aware of the serious problems encountered in the export of Russian oil. It seems that at first the specialists obviously underestimated the April 19 incident on the Belarusian oil pipelines, believing that the situation would be resolved quickly and without consequences. At least, without serious consequences, although it was even a possible large-scale sabotage.

Who and what underestimated?


However, the consequences were serious, perhaps even too serious. Transit oil supplies through the territory of Belarus were frozen almost immediately after Belneftekhim received complaints about a sharp deterioration in the quality of oil. Belarusian refineries halved the volume of oil refining, of course, Russian.

Soon it became known about the decision of the governments of Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to print out the oil strategic reserves. 800 thousand tons have been allocated to the Polish oil refineries (refineries) to compensate for short shipments from the Russian Federation, Hungary has announced volumes of 400 thousand tons, data from the Czech Republic are being updated.

It quickly became clear that up to a million tons of Russian oil exported turned out to be “dirty”. However, the Western media called the much larger scale of the man-made accident, referring to 5 million tons of contaminated oil. According to Transneft, it was deliberately polluted with compounds, which in the message of Belneftekhim were called organochlorine.

It is already known that oil contaminated with organochlorine entered the pipes of Transneft through a private terminal in the Samara region, which receives raw materials from small private companies from the Orenburg, Ulyanovsk and Samara regions. The case is already engaged in the regional department of the FSB.

However, the investigation may well be delayed, despite the fact that access to export pipelines is extremely limited. The head of state had to give explanations personally to Nikolay Tokarev, the head of Transneft, a practically monopolistic transit country for Russian export oil. From the mouth of Tokarev there was a recognition of the responsibility of the company itself, but there were also words about “fraud”, “violation of regulations”, responsibility of certain private structures that should monitor the quality of raw materials at receiving points.

In the meantime, hundreds of tons of contaminated oil are hastily transported back to Russia for dilution with better quality raw materials at terminals in Novorossiysk or, if possible, refined. The site of Transneft reported that the company has already begun to prepare proposals for the revision of the oil inspection system at the entrance to its pipes. It can be among other things about the involvement of independent experts for arbitration checks. Finally, 3 in May became aware that Transneft had sent a request to the Russian oil companies to reduce oil production.

The Belarusian Oil Transit Company unexpectedly quickly made a statement that the full restoration of transit through the Druzhba pipeline would require several months of hard work. On the Russian side, the assessments were much more optimistic, but it is characteristic that Transneft addressed its request to the oil companies only the next day after Russian oil, which meets the standard, arrived on the territory of Belarus via the Druzhba pipeline.

According to Reuters, in the request of Transneft, we are talking about reducing production levels by as much as 7 in May by about 10 percent, which can be up to 1 million barrels per day. On an annualized basis, it is possible to reduce oil production in Russia by 60 mln. Tons, although it must be understood that everything possible to restore production and transit levels will be done as quickly as possible.

In oil companies, Transneft’s proposal has not yet been commented on, but it must be understood that it is not so easy to make such a significant reduction in production so quickly, if only because of the need to carry out previously concluded contracts.

Forgotten predictions


Exchange analysts responded to the statement of representatives of Transneft almost immediately, without waiting for official comments not only from oil companies, but also from the Ministry of Energy. Immediately, the forgotten predictions of the ruble exchange rate at a level close to 100 rubles per dollar.

Recall that the frightening "hundred" experts last used more than a year ago, at the height of the gasoline crisis, when, in addition, the well-known OPEC-Plus agreement was threatened. Now the rate in 94,47 rubles for dollar was immediately predicted by analysts from BNP Paribas.

At the same time, however, most experts, including those from Alfa-Bank and Otkrytie, do not exclude an absolutely opposite reaction to the situation with the export of Russian oil. The fact is that the 10-percent decrease in sales volumes in any event can not be any long.

Nevertheless, a local, but already rather long jump in oil prices as an inevitable exchange reaction cannot be ruled out in any way. In this case, the ruble as an unequivocally raw currency is almost guaranteed to increase, albeit small, and let it be, after which a very painful pullback is not excluded.

Under the current conditions, there are no serious reasons for fearing the complete, even any significant replacement of the Russian oil quota by other sellers. The fact is that the oil market for refining is very specific, the overwhelming majority of deliveries are painted not even for months, but for years to come.

Oil refineries themselves, as a rule, are focused on very specific brands, the same Belarusian refineries cannot switch as easily as it is now necessary from Russian Brent to Central Asian or Baku. Even partially. However, what is more important now is not the financial, but the reputational losses of the Russian oil industry, for which it will take years to pay.
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  1. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 7 May 2019 05: 17
    +13
    Russian brand Urals, not Brent.
    1. Medvezhya lapa over Ki
      Medvezhya lapa over Ki 7 May 2019 05: 43
      +7
      Right! Brent - contains 0.5 sulfur, and Urals - almost 1.5%. Belorussian refineries will not be able to work on Brent!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 7 May 2019 06: 46
        +17
        The conversation of the Tsar with the chief through the pipe.

        - How did the pollution happen?
        - Everything is smooth with us, Vladimirich, everything is in accordance with the law - pipe operators are not responsible for oil! The Horns and Hooves company from Samara is to blame. She herself decided what kind of oil to put into our pipe. But, they will answer, scammers!
        - But what about the reputation? Losses? So it means that the system did not work! - the king says stunned. And it requires understanding.

        Meanwhile, in the country "not a gas station" they predict a ruble of 100 rubles. And all this is only from a possible 10% reduction in oil production.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 08: 04
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          this is all from a possible 10% reduction in oil production.

          And what difference does it make? 1 mbd is a third of european exports. At the same time, frankly, it is not very clear how the TN was going to export the remaining 2 / 3. BTS is contaminated, Novorossiysk is not rubber.
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 16
            -3
            Why take out? Didn’t the idea of ​​counter-sanctions come about under a plausible pretext?
          2. Normal ok
            Normal ok 7 May 2019 18: 13
            +5
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Quote: Stas157
            this is all from a possible 10% reduction in oil production.

            And what difference does it make? 1 mbd is a third of european exports. At the same time, frankly, it is not very clear how the TN was going to export the remaining 2 / 3. BTS is contaminated, Novorossiysk is not rubber.

            I wonder what you got the minuses for? Deutsche Welle has an article on this topic. At first, the Germans also did not realize the scale, but now they write that this is the "biggest man-made disaster" in recent decades. Think about it: there is contaminated oil in all Druzhba pipes (Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary). This is from one to five million tons. Where to put it in such quantity? Europe will not accept. How long can it take to fix it? To transport in tanks to Novorossiysk means to use most of the tanks and disrupt all the schedules of movement on the railway. And Novorossiysk will not process that much. So, this blow to the Russian economy will be worse than the sanctions. Moreover, this is a blow to the reputation of a "reliable supplier". So "a ruble at 100" is a real scenario.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 18: 51
              +4
              Quote: Normal ok
              There is an article on Deutsche Welle on this topic.

              I have seen.
              Quote: Normal ok
              This is from one to five million tons. Where to put it in such quantity?

              DV writes this. That the problem is not so much in spoiled oil, but in how to pump it out of the pipeline now. That is, to pump out for a short time, but where to merge? There are so many free vaults around Friendship and never will be. Friendship was shut up by this rubbish like a cork.
              Quote: Normal ok
              will be worse than sanctions.

              I wrote above. We would like to spoil our partners - they would now knock them out of the European market tightly.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 7 May 2019 09: 03
          0
          Meanwhile, in the country "not a gas station" they predict a ruble of 100 rubles. And all this is only from a possible 10% reduction in oil production.

          If oil production decreases, its price rises and the ruble rises in price. Why should he fall?
          This is from the field of explanations why gasoline always rises in price, it does not matter whether oil rises in price or becomes cheaper.
          1. Trotil42
            Trotil42 8 May 2019 19: 33
            0
            Everything is simple ... like this world ... anyone who worked at a large chemical enterprise will say how this story will develop further ... no one will take oil to Novorossiysk ... meaning? Tanks will be allocated where (possibly factory ones) will be drained ... there it will be diluted to the norm, for example, Arabic or Norwegian ... and will be processed ... the question is how long will it take? And will they pay for this oil ... but the fact that Transneft could plant a couple of laboratories for receiving oil from suppliers ... is also a fact ... and on transfer to Belarus ... would not go poor .. Whatever the proven supplier at a large enterprise, just like that ... until OTK gives the go-ahead you don’t download anything, you don’t send anything ..so the Transneft link is absurd and stupid for me .. since the European partners do not know that there is any Samara... so until we merge .. this is a drop in production ... plus losses for the price of oil in the pipe ... fines ...
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 9 May 2019 05: 17
              +1
              Quote: Trotil42
              Tanks will be allocated where (possibly factory ones) will be drained ...

              The Germans estimate the volume of infected oil at 3-5 million tons. Where do you get so many free containers? In Cushing? Despite the fact that the Poles and the Germans refuse to accept this oil in their tanks?
              Quote: Trotil42
              there it will be diluted to the norm, for example, Arabic or Norwegian ...

              On Wednesday, in Ust-Luga, type-conditioned oil already showed more than 60 g / t of organochlorine, with a norm of no more than 15. Belarusians initially reported about 300 g / t of a shecher.
              That is, with a volume of 3 million tons and a level of 60 ppm, 9 million tons will be required. "Arabic or Norwegian". With a volume of 5 million tons and 300 ppm, 95 million tons will be required. pure oil for blending.

              Do you even imagine these volumes? Russian daily exports to Europe - approximately 0,6 million tons
              Quote: Trotil42
              therefore, the Transneft link is absurd and stupid for me.

              Everything is complicated there. They do not really check for organochlorine. Therefore, in particular, stories about the Samara rural collection point, where some IPshnik poured donkey urine, in favor of the poor. TN cannot know this.

              All this strongly reminds Interfax stuffing about suitcases in a superjet. Found convenient guilty.
              1. Trotil42
                Trotil42 10 May 2019 16: 01
                0
                Who told you the oil should be drained from the pipe within, say, a week or a month? It is enough to have one tank at the refinery and to carry it ..... to pull the part to Novorossiysk by running oil turntables from tanks ... if you send it all to Novorossiysk this will not end in my lifetime ... I would strongly agree with you the absurdity of the reason and wanted to illuminate .. it’s called someone .. and sometimes where we sometimes ... wrote about this ... the message is more turbid than information ... yes the recipient refuses ... but the question rests on money ..
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 10 May 2019 20: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Trotil42
                  Who told you the oil should be drained from the pipe within, say, a week or a month?

                  Yes, at least 5 years, a lot of problems.

                  Only Friendship will stand all this time. You can’t live alone in Ust-Luga and Novorossiysk. The oil embargo has finally begun, which the liberals have been talking about for so long.

                  Plus, the longer the organochlorine in the pipe, the more interesting the question of resistance and equipment, and the pipe itself. Recycling doesn’t just accept it. If hundreds of thousands of tons of oil fall into European rivers - here Europeans will immediately remember everything, since the time of Ivan the Terrible at least.
                  1. Trotil42
                    Trotil42 11 May 2019 07: 52
                    0
                    It's nice to talk with a specialist ... thank you .. Maybe another question ... Your version of pollution? The volume of organochlorine is wild ... where is it from? Possible sea transportation in tankers? This climax with a pipe for a long time ... that's why it is interesting. It can affect many processes .. You are absolutely right about liberals ...
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 11 May 2019 11: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Trotil42
                      Nice to talk with a specialist

                      So, let's fix it right away. I am not a specialist. A little bit in between, I'm interested in the situation in the oil industry, not even at work.
                      Quote: Trotil42
                      Wild organochlorine volume ... where does it come from

                      Who knows - does not speak, who speaks - does not know. So far, everything looks like it was agreed not to aggravate with the recipients in Europe, and the investigation in Russia will hide the ends in the water. Given who in Russia can agree on issues of this magnitude, there are few options.
                      Quote: Trotil42
                      Possible sea transportation in tankers?

                      They tried to clean up the Baltic CPS so as to merge them into tankers. As a result, 10 tankers that no one seems to be sticking out in the Baltic are now, and the organochlorine content in the BPS is 4-7 times higher than normal.
                      At a minimum, the problems are not with friendship, but with the ETC as a whole. As a maximum, the accident is not localized and the organochlorine continues to be pumped up from somewhere.

                      Friendship does not go to ports, it seems. Yes, and no one will allow to infect ports - how to accept Arab oil, for now? So no options other than squeezing back, the NPT is not considered.

                      And here, as I understand the situation, the only option is to submit this oil to Russian refineries and pray that it will carry. It carried so that nothing would explode, and carried so that the partners did not wake up and ban the equipment of the refinery, which would then have to be put in for overhaul.
                      1. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 11 May 2019 12: 29
                        0
                        https://meduza.io/feature/2019/05/07/chastnyy-punkt-priema-nefti
                        Curious reading
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 11 May 2019 14: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Curious reading

                        Yeah.
                        Who is like, but I see confirmation that the TN is looking for switchmen. It very much seems that these Samara poor fellows are part of a completely different story (albeit also a criminal one), which they are now trying to throw under the guise of. Spanish dispatcher.
                      3. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 11 May 2019 16: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        TN is looking for switchmen.

                        Vedomosti writes that it is almost officially already that the "dirt" ranges from 3 million tons (TN estimate) to 5 million tons (Belarusians estimate). In tugriks from 1,6 to 2,6 yards. Plus simple, plus refinery losses, repairs, measures for transportation, cleaning, tankers, cisterns. Tankers, too, are not very good after transporting dirt. Also replacement of equipment, pipes, pumps, etc. The price of the issue is comprehensively off scale beyond any reasonable limits. I doubt that the arrest of the collective farmer of the nominal owner of LLC wash it off this time
                      4. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 11 May 2019 19: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        I doubt that the arrest of the collective farmer of the nominal owner of the LLC will be washed off this time

                        Yeah. Baba Sveta from der. Nikolaevka for two weeks let down in transfer of per capita tax on USS for $ 2,5 billion

                        So I want to turn to the bourgeoisie from the TV:

                        Dear bloodsuckers! Be people, hire professional denominations from Cypriot and Luxembourgish lawyers! Do not take sin into your soul! Now the grandmother will come to death!
        3. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 7 May 2019 09: 51
          -2
          There is also a joke in the fact that after all, this may turn out to be some kind of game of Mr. Lukashenko and Co. There is a suspicion that such "contaminated" oil entered Belarus before and without any problems, no one paid any attention to this "contamination" and now, suddenly, this "problem" was discovered. As for the west: there, too, not everything is so "unambiguous" - there, too, for a long time did not see any such "pollution" and saw it only after yelling from Minsk.
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 18
            +1
            Yeah! Voluntarily incur losses !? This is where such bourgeois live?
        4. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 13
          +1
          Well, there are two versions. Or greed, or calculation. What is the calculation? Show what will happen if Russia stops pumping oil! Such soft pressure on partners. Like, the state has nothing to do with it! This is an initiative of private traders! Well, a hidden message. You see what will happen without Russian oil! Soft power through oil! Well, this is like one of the versions.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 13: 38
            +5
            Quote: Mister Creed
            Why take out? Didn’t the idea of ​​counter-sanctions come about under a plausible pretext?

            Quote: Mister Creed
            What is the calculation? Show what will happen if Russia stops pumping oil! Such soft pressure on partners

            Everything will be fine. Belarusian refineries will close, Europeans will embark on modernization, Americans and the Gulf will cover the shortage of oil products in the EU. By fall, the Americans will open up their plugs with pipelines in Texas and give another 2,5-3 mbd.

            Just 3 mbd is the entire export of Russia to Europe. So no question at all.

            By the way. When it is covered, it will be as if it would not be necessary to restore Friendship, the market is busy. If our so-called partners would be happier now, they would close the faucet from that side for a very long time.
            1. Mr Credo
              Mr Credo 8 May 2019 01: 19
              0
              In addition to volumes, there is also the issue of price. Whose product will be cheaper. But political motives may have intervened. Then the price will not matter. ### Our so-called partners would be more alive now - they would close the faucet from that side for a very long time. ### Yes there. Partners missed the initiative!
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 8 May 2019 06: 17
                +2
                Quote: Mister Creed
                Partners missed the initiative!

                Partners generally harm Russia frankly by getting rid of it.
                Quote: Mister Creed
                Whose product will be cheaper.

                1 . If the German refineries are re-doing so far for a light suite, then do not care what is cheaper where.
                2. If oil costs 70 for all, and 50 for Russia, this is also good. Because when oil falls by 40-50, and it falls, then at a discount of $ 20 the dashing 90s will return.
                1. Zdishek
                  Zdishek 9 May 2019 20: 23
                  -1
                  The share of budget revenues from oil is not as large as before
      2. NKT
        NKT 7 May 2019 09: 37
        +2
        Transneft Urals mixes with Siberian light, therefore sulfur content up to 1.2-1.4 and API up to 32
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 14: 16
          +3
          Quote: NKT
          Urals mixes with Siberian light, therefore sulfur content up to 1.2-1.4 and API up to 32

          sulfur content up to 1.2-1.4 and API up to 32 this is the Urals. Siberian light with 0,57% sulfur and Tatar with 3% are mixed in it.
    2. Civil
      Civil 7 May 2019 07: 56
      +2
      Oil and weapons, two boots of steam.
      1. depressant
        depressant 7 May 2019 11: 09
        +5
        You have to answer the dirty oil differently ... So I dug that there is "Transneft". Not Gazprom, but she is our everything, our drinker and nurse. And the list of its activities includes:
        oil transportation;
        diagnostics;
        prophylaxis;
        emergency recovery work ...
        Stop! What do the last three points mean? Is there a hole in the pipe? What are its sizes, if any? And if it has been outlined, how to cover it up --- right? It seems that so ... But what about the laboratory at the outlet of the pipe at least abroad --- the very laboratory with chemical engineers and laboratory assistants in two or even three shifts, hourly sampling, express analysis and an alarm siren, if went marriage? I can’t believe that this is not! After all, the price of the issue is a penny in comparison with the possible billions of dollars in losses ... But if there is one, then whose diversion is some kind of small mining office, laboratory assistants, or personally, gentlemen Novak and Tokarev? I did not hold a candle, I did not shine it with an X-ray, but as a sane person I tend to the latter. Gentlemen did not organize a laboratory? So guilty! .. Received a bribe from exporters of other goods and messed up the case in order to profitably drop the ruble for exporters, because the consequences of stopping oil pumping are miscalculated? So guilty! ... Fatally hinted that they would be owners, and not civil servants, this would not happen, and, they say, let's privatize? Guilty! .. Or, based on the fall in Putin’s rating, they decided to finish off the head of state? Guilty! ...
        Guilty of sabotage on an especially large scale, causing irreparable damage to the international and internal prestige of the state.
        And therefore, do you want to lean against the wall ...? To the one in the cell of especially strict and especially life imprisonment? Stalin would have offered you another wall - the one from which they do not move away, but fall next to it.
  2. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 7 May 2019 05: 29
    +17
    How could it be possible to transfer oil to private hands !? Why during the USSR there were no problems with the quality of oil (at least exported), and now some small oil companies are stirring up water with quality, and most importantly you will not find the culprits.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 05: 42
      -16
      Then I think there were no such technologies to apply such compounds. And oil in the hands of the state is the way of Venezuela. Degradation in the market is complete. Just stupid due to the fact that the state needs here and now. Without competition, it strangles itself.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 7 May 2019 06: 03
        +13
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        oil in state hands is the way of Venezuela


        But what about ARAMCO? The princes do without the "collective" for now. In general, the most interesting moment of the article: who "launched chlorine" into the oil? Again faceless and nameless "heroes"? It is unlikely that these are poor oil traders - let them cover the losses with a forfeit.
        In the same Arabia would have sharpened sabers.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 06: 24
          -5
          Well, when such a social system in the country is possible, it will work. Although even then last year they began to sell shares. All the same, the kingdom is not some kind of parliamentary republic.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 7 May 2019 08: 56
        +6
        And oil in the hands of the state is the way of Venezuela. Market degradation is complete

        When there is no control, it does not matter who holds the oil. It is naive to hope that the "invisible hand of the market" will put everything in its place. And it is necessary to compete in the oil market not within the state, but between states, which is why the state is moving into the Arctic.
        By the way, in the 90s, 75% of the country's income from oil exports was given by a joint company with the Vietnamese called something like "SovVietPetro". Because it was impossible to hide the profit. And now, according to reports, we are selling oil for 1 billion, and the western customs shows that we imported it for 2 billion. These are the private traders today. In general, the state should establish order, it was created for this.
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 29
          +4
          About the state, how to say it! Today there is a tendency to erosion of state borders. It is disguised as Globalization. What does globalization mean? The power of one country? No. Transferring sectors to private hands of a narrow circle of people! The intermediate stage is the military-economic units. In perspective, the block will be one and worldwide. Such a UN of the future with the Hague court.
      3. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 09: 48
        +3
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Then I think there were no such technologies to apply such compounds.

        Organochlorine is just the old-fashioned method. It was banned for a long time, but in 2014 it was allowed back.

        Here, oddly enough, the very sanctions that benefit us are working. One of the first bourgeoisie began to crush the drilling service. It seems like some kind of turbidity, Schlumberger, holiberton, who are all these people? Are they spies? Left - and thank God. Well here you go.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 10: 26
          +4
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          but in 2014 they allowed it back.

          Wrong. In 2012
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 11: 16
          -1
          Perhaps so) the oil industry is not my bread)
      4. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 21
        0
        And what does Venezuela not like? Foreigners, an easy state-owned company, are developing heavy oil. What's wrong?
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 13: 26
          -1
          Quote: Mister Creed
          Foreigners, an easy state-owned company, are developing heavy oil. What's wrong?

          Who told you this about Venezuela?
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 7 May 2019 14: 00
            +2
            Venezuela does not have its own heavy oil refineries. This is done by the Americans. The state company of Venezuela is engaged in light. What's wrong?
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 14: 07
              +1
              Quote: Mister Creed
              Venezuela does not have its own heavy oil refineries. This is done by the Americans.

              You wrote "develop". Only PDVSA mines there.
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 13: 58
          -1
          Read about state affairs there. It essentially only made money. Zero development. The budget should not be filled in the future, but now. What will happen in 5 years, few people cared. The decline in production proceeded annually, while investing on the residual basis. The main incentives disappeared. As a result, production in the world has been growing for everyone, and since 76, it has fallen by 20 percent. In fact, someone said well, the state treated the industry as a credit card, and not its own. Withdrew money, and extinguished with minimal payments. Everyone sees the result now.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 May 2019 06: 24
      +1
      Very simple and very correct. The state corporation is a clumsy monster, in the absence of competition and not striving for development, unlike private traders. And the situation is an example to you.
      Banal purchase of oil: Transneft buys oil from office X, then puts it into the pipe. Are you in the store when you buy bread, do what? Look at him, fresh there, not dirty and warm. And the state office - does not look at the goods, but why the heck ?! Moreover, there were such things. The organochlorine could get into OIL in two cases - they scooped up a layer of water supporting the oil from the bottom during production (it is unlikely that the volume of water will be large) or relieved the additive. added directly in front of the pipe. And the pipe is state-owned. who is for her and what is her answer?
      Don’t go to a fortuneteller there - Transneft doesn’t give a shit, and now they’re looking for Vice Chairmen
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 7 May 2019 08: 04
        +4
        Quote: Cowbra
        Transneft buys oil from office X, then puts it into the pipe. Are you in the store when you buy bread, do what? Look at him, fresh there, not dirty and warm. And the state office - does not look at the goods, but why the heck ?!

        In general, a strange situation. Abnormal. Even Putin noticed that the system was wrong. It can be convenient only for Transneft (not to be held responsible for anything) and for the companies "Horns and Hooves" uncontrollably pumping oil into 150 pipe collectors. What can you say ... This is the level of effective management and managers in modern JSC Russia. Professionals!
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 7 May 2019 08: 59
        +5
        And the state office - does not look at the goods, but why the heck ?!

        Not. This is a private trader - the capitalist will strangle himself for profit, and for 100% of the profit will go to any crime. But the civil servant will not go to forgery, does not meet the standards - that means it’s impossible.
        Therefore, it is not a matter of competition, especially since it exists on the world market. The point is uncontrolledness.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 7 May 2019 09: 03
          +4
          The state office when launched into the pipe, as they write. did not conduct a study of the composition of raw materials obtained from a private trader and pumped into the pipe. What is it like? Not forgery? Will not "strangle"? This is just an example of the work of a typical state corporation - not mine, I don't need it.
          And most importantly, the additive is added before the oil is introduced into the pipe, the additive is not needed in the tanks, the pipe is Transneft's area of ​​responsibility, so they most likely add - the private trader basically does not know when his oil will go into the pipe and when to pour the additives.
          So much for "no"
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 7 May 2019 20: 33
            +1
            Quote: Cowbra
            The state office when launched into the pipe, as they write. did not conduct a study of the composition of raw materials obtained from a private trader and pumped into the pipe. What is it like? Not forgery? Will not "strangle"? This is just an example of the work of a typical state corporation - not mine, I don't need it.
            And most importantly, the additive is added before the oil is introduced into the pipe, the additive is not needed in the tanks, the pipe is Transneft's area of ​​responsibility, so they most likely add - the private trader basically does not know when his oil will go into the pipe and when to pour the additives.
            So much for "no"


            What kind of additive are you talking about?
            Dirty oil is crude oil after hydraulic fracturing.
            chlorine dioxide (like this one for memory) is a chemical for hydraulic fracturing.
            After this process, the oil must be cleaned.
            its traders did not clean and drove to the Transneft terminal in the clearance. (Europe's largest LDS)
            That's it.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 7 May 2019 20: 50
              +2
              No, it’s also a memory - something chlorine-containing is added there when pumping through the pipe, just high-sulfur oils. like our Urals just give a little precipitate, do not care for it in the tank, but immediately a khan, add organochlorine to the oil itself before pumping, it is all good solvent.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 7 May 2019 21: 09
                +1
                Quote: Cowbra
                No, it’s also a memory - something chlorine-containing is added there when pumping through the pipe, just high-sulfur oils. like our Urals just give a little precipitate, do not care for it in the tank, but immediately a khan, add organochlorine to the oil itself before pumping, it is all good solvent.

                No, you're wrong.
                These are traces of chlorine only after hydraulic fracturing.
                In my case, the version is 100% correct.
                I just know the situation a bit from the inside and about the LDSA Clearance. And about Koshkinskaya oil with hydraulic fracturing, and about this very private terminal. He stands alone right behind the LDS on the Samara-Neftegorsk road.
                And very many drivers in Samara carry, or carry oil to this terminal.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 8 May 2019 00: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  He stands alone right behind the LDS on the Samara-Neftegorsk road.
                  And very many drivers in Samara carry, or carry oil to this terminal.

                  Sorry? How can a terminal that receives oil from fuel trucks can drive pollution of this magnitude into the pipe? Yes, and in Samara, with its flooding, which db contaminated well fluid volume then?
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 8 May 2019 07: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    He stands alone right behind the LDS on the Samara-Neftegorsk road.
                    And very many drivers in Samara carry, or carry oil to this terminal.

                    Sorry? How can a terminal that receives oil from fuel trucks can drive pollution of this magnitude into the pipe? Yes, and in Samara, with its flooding, which db contaminated well fluid volume then?


                    50-100 "barrels" a day arrive at this terminal.
                    How many days they drove - while silence.
                    What concentration was in the barrels - also silence.
                    Specialist - he’ll probably count on the principle that a spoon of manure turns a barrel of honey into a barrel of manure, i.e. by percentage.

                    The speed with which the oil moves in the pipe is 1m / second, then with what distance, the reaction time of the laboratories in Belarus. Someone has already said that our southern refineries have worked on this oil for at least a week. and even three.
                    After all, with this LPSD Clearance - the same oil went into two southern branches.
                    At our southern refineries.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra 7 May 2019 09: 09
          -2
          Another example for you. Gazprom is a private office, they will not have such a situation in principle. Say why? Satellite control on pipelines and all substations, and Gazprom (private) satellites launched CAM with its own money. Series Yamal. Transneft, by the way, offered to join the stake, but they - the state corporation, until all the authorities go there ... Anyway - and it is necessary, it works ... Spend more.
          Here is an example - the Russian Federation. private trader and government office, areas close, everything is clear?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 7 May 2019 10: 57
            +6
            Here is an example. Private gas stations - 8 of 10 body gasoline. And where is the vaunted private trader? The issue of control does not depend on the form of ownership.
            1. Mr Credo
              Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 37
              +4
              Here is more a matter of tasks. What is the challenge? The private trader has a task to snatch! Do you have state sponsors? Fulfill the decree (order) from above. Here, as a matter of an individual or a regular army. An individual will always lose to a regular army. Therefore, the army or government will always be more effective!
              1. username1234
                username1234 7 May 2019 23: 04
                0
                Well, let's compare SpaceX and the state office that produces rockets in Russia.

                Rockets progress - Lada
                Falcon9 rocket - Mercedes, and more economical than the Lada.
                1. Mr Credo
                  Mr Credo 8 May 2019 03: 31
                  +2
                  Elon Musk is the most effective private trader !? And then who is Korolev? Americans created an atomic bomb at private traders? No. Here is another. Here is a business, or the appropriation of money in a legal way. The fact that our Roscosmos is stupid is not due to the fact that it is a state structure and at the same time to that. This is a matter of political will. Or there is a demand for work, or there is a demand for cuts. Where is the guarantee that if Musk worked for the state (in the sense of the state structure as a civil servant), he would have developed his pepelats slower? Yes, and where are the guarantees that the development of the Mask will be in demand? There’s Maxim’s machine gun, Maxim himself hardly penetrated the army.
                2. Zdishek
                  Zdishek 9 May 2019 20: 43
                  0
                  Yes, you at least look at the reporting space)))) there are losses and dumping))) pull money from the romantics sympathizing. But in fact, they are sponsored by the state and covered from dumping prices in order to eliminate competitors
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 7 May 2019 20: 36
            0
            Quote: Cowbra
            Another example for you. Gazprom is a private office, they will not have such a situation in principle. Say why? Satellite control on pipelines and all substations, and Gazprom (private) satellites launched CAM with its own money. Series Yamal. Transneft, by the way, offered to join the stake, but they - the state corporation, until all the authorities go there ... Anyway - and it is necessary, it works ... Spend more.
            Here is an example - the Russian Federation. private trader and government office, areas close, everything is clear?


            You do not know. how many transneft have their sensors and controls.
            Transneft Supervision, Transneft Omega, Diaskan and others ...

            Transneft’s LPDS includes absolutely all mining companies and LV, GPN, GP, Slavneft, Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and a couple dozen less ...
            And how many suppliers do Gazprom have in the pipe?
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 7 May 2019 20: 44
              +2
              I know that Gazprom has centralized monitoring in real time from the production point to the stop, even beyond the hill. It’s like that. Do you want to tell me about wire sensors at fields in Siberia near Transneft? Shaw, really? Yes, I won’t even believe in the Orenburg region in oil production - I had the good fortune to watch, yeah.
              It’s just such a joke - there is something in more or less settled places, and then - the level is regional, there is no satellite anywhere. And everything is solved at the same level, and the information goes there. Here is the result.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 7 May 2019 21: 06
                +2
                Quote: Cowbra
                I know that Gazprom has centralized monitoring in real time from the production point to the stop, even beyond the hill. It’s like that. Do you want to tell me about wire sensors at fields in Siberia near Transneft? Shaw, really? Yes, I won’t even believe in the Orenburg region in oil production - I had the good fortune to watch, yeah.
                It’s just such a joke - there is something in more or less settled places, and then - the level is regional, there is no satellite anywhere. And everything is solved at the same level, and the information goes there. Here is the result.


                I have been working for several years with linear engineering staff with Transneft Oversight and Transneft Omega ...
                and I know perfectly well what they have and how it is being done and what kind of control is being conducted.
                every 50-100 kilometers are blocks of sensors working in real time.
                which do not just work, but which are also "verified" by the field personnel almost every 2 months.
                And we deliver this personnel to the point they need on the pipe.
                And no matter where she is. In the steppe of Orenburg. Saratov, or throughout the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug / Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug ...
                1. Zdishek
                  Zdishek 9 May 2019 20: 45
                  0
                  It feels like done on purpose. Maybe they decided to correct something or someone?
        3. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 09: 29
          +6
          Quote: glory1974
          But the civil servant will not go to forgery, does not meet the standards - that means it’s impossible.

          Was it serious right now?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 7 May 2019 10: 59
            +4
            of course. What is the point of a civil servant not to fulfill his duties, at the risk of losing a good salary? If you're talking about bribes, then again this is a matter of control, not of ownership.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 11: 24
              +5
              Quote: glory1974
              What is the point of a civil servant not to fulfill his duties, at the risk of losing a good salary?

              Have you ever dealt with employees of various Ministry of Emergencies / Rostechnadzor?
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 7 May 2019 20: 38
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Quote: glory1974
                What is the point of a civil servant not to fulfill his duties, at the risk of losing a good salary?

                Have you ever dealt with employees of various Ministry of Emergencies / Rostechnadzor?

                do not ask him such questions.
                He will not answer in essence.
                For this is an alien from Alpha Centauri ... They all are not in Russian ...% (
          2. Wildcat
            Wildcat 7 May 2019 11: 30
            +3
            Oh, that's how you read about the state. employees in the morning - and all day a good mood!
            smile
        4. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 14: 01
          -2
          It may not be suitable for forgery, but afterwards, sleeves and spitting on consequences are easy. Why should he twitch tg?) To tear the tender part of the body? He is a civil servant. Losses will be written off and that’s all. And the private trader risks everything.
      3. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 32
        +1
        State corporations are not an agile monster ??? And who are trans national companies ??? Nimble rabbits? Although zoologists claim that ladybugs are cooler in this regard!
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 7 May 2019 13: 52
          0
          TNCs do not need to be coordinated among the ministries, the structure there is a bloc structure. And the state office - the principle - "my uncle in the ministry will decide everything for me" and "the initiative has an initiator"
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 May 2019 03: 05
            0
            In TNCs, similarly. Especially considering their international status. Only TNCs work in the interests of a narrow circle of people, and the state structure in the interests of the whole people.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 8 May 2019 07: 27
              0
              I’ll tell you again about the same Gazprom and pipe communication. There is one office within Gazprom itself. Her work. When it doesn’t cope, Gazprom concludes a contract with its daughter, with payment, and how its subsidiary, in which Gazprom holds 80% of the shares, works with it as an ordinary client. But without fussing around the ministries. Therefore more agile.
              Do you really think that launching a state channel at the RF Ministry of Communications would be as effective as NTV at Gazprom? With NTV +? They would have drowned even at the stage of coordination - argue? The political project is even a Star - look at the coverage of the audience.
              And all because it is a block structure. And not the power vertical. Decisions are made only from above.
      4. Zdishek
        Zdishek 9 May 2019 20: 31
        0
        State-owned company is the same business as others. Only it should be sharpened for state needs)))) Well, the quality of control is ALL!
        All things being equal, the state corporation is more competitive than private. Since it fulfills the needs of society, and not at all costs it cuts money
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 May 2019 06: 48
      +3
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      ..... now some small oil companies are stirring up water with quality, and most importantly, you will not find the culprits.
      Suspiciously with these small quotients .... Here it is interesting ---- if we have in all directions ---- optimization, merging, absorption, reduction of everything small, enlargement of everything large ...., then why on earth did these small private companies come from? Who is available to create a small private company? This, in my opinion, is much more difficult than large? After all, we have no options, when all of a sudden, a farmer in a rural section of a well purely by chance suddenly appeared?
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 08: 08
        +7
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Suspiciously with these small private.

        And who told you that it was a petty private speech? Transneft? Sand? Are there many companies in Samara that can merge 5 million tons relatively quickly into the UTS? I only know one thing.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 May 2019 09: 52
          +2
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          ..... And who told you that we are talking about petty private? ......

          I read in the second part of the article, actually .... but if, as you hint, this is in question, since it’s not Peskov, not Transneft, but just an article, all the more so, my doubts about small quotes are correct.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 10: 25
            +7
            Quote: Reptiloid
            but if, as you hint, this is in question, since it’s not Peskov, not Transneft

            The story of some kind of IPshnik appeared before the figure of 5 million tons surfaced with an impurity level of about 200 mg per kg of mixture (supplied that came from Belarus). That is, a thousand tons (20 railway tanks) of pure chloroform were pumped into the UTS (this is the maximum estimate, most likely the bulk of the oil is less polluted). Rural faucet, you say?
    4. Semurg
      Semurg 7 May 2019 08: 11
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      How could it be possible to transfer oil to private hands !? Why during the USSR there were no problems with the quality of oil (at least exported), and now some small oil companies are stirring up water with quality, and most importantly you will not find the culprits.

      Under the USSR, you simply would not have known about oil quality problems, this is now the media more or less inform about everything, then we only knew about a steady increase in milk yield with empty counters. I read an article by an old oilman at the expense of organochlorine, for the first time the unrefined refineries and petrochemical residues were pumped into wells to increase reservoir recovery in the USSR, there was someone who made a rational proposal, but after problems arose with organochlorine at the refinery, this business was stopped, after 35-40 years apparently someone decided to repeat this thing, but apparently they overdid it with concentration, probably poured a little on the sly, and too much fell into one batch.
      1. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 42
        +2
        Is there one truth in the media today? There probably widely specialized specialists work !?
    5. NKT
      NKT 7 May 2019 09: 42
      +1
      The thing is to check the quality of raw materials at the points of collection and preparation of oil. There, all oil companies sell oil and from there it, after certain manipulations, enters the main pipelines. Someone did not overlook and here is the result. There is no diversion.
      1. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 45
        +1
        Yeah! I overlooked! Today, milk carriers travel around the area and collect milk by teaspoon. Is it high performance? Is the dairy complex not effective? Is teaspoon picking highly effective? Similarly, in oil production.
    6. lukewarm
      lukewarm 8 May 2019 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      How could it be possible to transfer oil to private hands !?

      But how could you not give it away, if sobsno for giving everything and everything into private hands and all the bacchanalia was started, including the collapse of the USSR
      1. dauria
        dauria 8 May 2019 16: 06
        +1
        sobsno to give everything and everything into private hands and all the bacchanalia was conceived,
        good

        Actually, after the supply of used products to military aircraft without a resource with fake passports, I am not surprised at anything. Neither liquid milk, nor liquid gasoline, nor vodka, nor fake diplomas ... But I just didn’t think that there would be enough impudence to "body" for export laughing They did not realize that this was not their own people.
  3. Hiwan
    Hiwan 7 May 2019 05: 43
    +6
    Gasoline in Russia will still not fall in price
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 7 May 2019 06: 57
      +3
      Quote: Haiwan
      Gasoline in Russia will still not fall in price

      The government will no longer be able to restrain the rise in gasoline prices; its limit on persuasion has already been exhausted. There is such a "jamb" with export, and oil bosses need to maintain their yachts ...
      "Sabotage?" Is unlikely. With such an "economy" when everyone needs "no matter how, but here and now," what happened is quite expected.
      IMHO, I expect higher gasoline prices at gas stations by the year above the official Rosstat CPI.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 May 2019 12: 12
      0
      He has already fallen in price. In winter, diesel fuel was refueled at 50-51 rubles, the wife of the 95th by 47. Now the diesel is about 46, 95th by 45.
    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 47
      0
      He is in Russia and so one of the cheapest in terms of dollars and euros! And with the growth of the ruble-currency exchange rate, it becomes even cheaper!
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 May 2019 05: 56
    +5
    On the eve of the long May holidays, most experts fairly calmly assessed the prospects of the Russian ruble.

    Is the opinion of "experts" trustworthy? Is there any reliable information that came true forecasts?
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    ... and most importantly you will not find the guilty.

    There are no guilty persons in our country more guilty than Chubais, just as there are no "responsible", more untouchable than he. I’ll tell you more, you don’t even hope that someone will say: "I directed you ..."
    I am simply bitter that there are "close and anxious" people in the country who, on the eve of Victory, will try to get to the bottom of the truth:
    WHAT IS OUR GRANDFATHER AND FATHER PROTECTED FROM JUNE 1941 TO MAY 1945?
    Now they have the wrong oil ... And before there was famine, devastation, war, sanctions, additional capitalization ... They clearly showed you who, with whose hands, would put things in order. Right on the Day of International Solidarity ... Because the international solidarity of workers is a sickle in the causal place for world capitalism ...
    hi
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 06: 29
      -5
      Who, with whose hands?)))
  5. Babai 640
    Babai 640 7 May 2019 06: 04
    +3
    You can analyze and calculate losses or profits as much as you like, but I will say one thing for sure. Belarusians and only they just flew in for the most do not indulge! There was no need to drive a wave, because with all the desire to replace the volumes they will not be able to, but the volumes of supplies will now be cut to them to "starvation rations". I never thought that I would live to see the "oil war", hmm. Business has become smaller, it's time to return to the 90s.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 7 May 2019 06: 31
      -3
      No wars there. All quietly and calmly solve the issue. The point is not in Belarus itself, but in transit through it. Disassembly there is not needed by everyone.
      1. Babai 640
        Babai 640 7 May 2019 23: 41
        +1
        The comic aspect of the situation is that these volumes were intended exclusively for the MNPZ, and the dirt was caught at the LPDS Unecha, from where there are two branches. One, through Grodno to Poland, and the second straight to Ukraine. Now the question of the year. With what fright the pipe was closed by the Poles and Ukraine, if the product was intended exclusively for Belarusians? ))) And the answer here is madly simple. Mozyr received only part of the volume, and part of it was stupidly resold at the world price, despite the fact that the price of oil is in Russia!))) Cool scheme, right ?! To say that processing losses are 45-50% and to put these "losses" over the hill.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 51
      +1
      What? Only the Belarusians flew away? But what about gas supplies to the same Ukraine? That's bad luck! Quite by accident, simplified issuance of Russian passports and defective oil! Accident, coincidence, calculation?
      1. Max__
        Max__ 7 May 2019 15: 12
        +3
        It supplies gasoline and the Russian Federation to Ukraine quite well, and for diesel fuel, which is refueled by armored vehicles, it is generally the first.
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 May 2019 06: 59
    +2
    Personally, this whole story with oil reminded me of the expression "shot myself in the foot." No, well, the right word, it remains to pump hydrogen sulfide from the priests into the gas pipe and we will make it "even better"! And after all, the answer will be whatever "Uncle Vasya"!
  7. VLR
    VLR 7 May 2019 07: 15
    +9
    I've noticed for a long time: wherever private traders appear in Russia, problems appear. Private management companies of housing and communal services appeared - prices rose and previously non-existent problems appeared in housing and communal services. A single (private, of course) garbage "operator" has appeared in the Kaluga Region - prices have risen and heaps of garbage have appeared around the overflowing garbage cans. A private toll section appeared on the federal state road - the road did not get any better, and it is not clear why they take money. And here the same thing - small private traders, and the appetites of "adults", any muck are ready to drive into the pipe in order to "save money." Or - for the money of foreign "well-wishers" to spoil oil on purpose. Well, the leaders of Transneft, with their pitiful explanations, are, of course, beyond good and evil. And Putin listens to them under the TV camera, instead of immediately sending them to the pre-trial detention center to testify to the prosecutors. However, they are probably still busy in the Kokorin-Mamaev case. Or pedophile teachers (or murderers) are wanted.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 08: 11
      -1
      Quote: VlR
      A single (private, of course) garbage "operator" has appeared

      Who told you that he is so private? As well as your "private" housing and communal services, by the way?
      1. VLR
        VLR 7 May 2019 09: 22
        +3
        It is private - both housing and communal services management companies and a "garbage operator".
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 09: 30
          0
          Quote: VlR
          It is private - both housing and communal services management companies and a "garbage operator".

          Formally, you are, of course, right. Only, it seems, you are trying to pass off the farmers as capitalists.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 7 May 2019 10: 21
            -1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Quote: VlR
            It is private - both housing and communal services management companies and a "garbage operator".
            ..... You are trying to pass off farmers as capitalists.

            Why should he try, as if he was interested? As I wrote above --- suspiciously with small private .... Or haven’t yet read the article?
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 May 2019 10: 15
          +2
          Quote: VlR
          It is private - both housing and communal services management companies and a "garbage operator".

          Private private, but ----- persons close ..... for becoming the owner of a small private oil is much more difficult
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 53
        0
        And who told you that he is state?
      3. minus
        minus 7 May 2019 15: 36
        +2
        And in the south of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Khakassia, the garbage company LLC from Moscow .... With an authorized capital of 10000 rubles .... I used to pay less than 300 rubles per container for garbage collection. In April, through a personal account of energy sales (they made energy sales collector of garbage and overhaul payments), they billed 487 rubles !!!! The container is almost empty !!! No one took it out, but it’s billed !!! For what??? My personal container, bought for my money. There are no sites nearby for collecting garbage and is not expected .... For what I have to pay 487 rubles every month ???? I don’t produce garbage of 0,45 m³! Maximum 1,5 cubic meters per year !!! And there is nothing spoiling in the container. A few dogs, hens and geese do not leave food waste .... They raised the price three times from last year! A new processing landfill of 25 km, close to the Krivinsky pine forest, a special conservation area! All processing - dig trenches, dump garbage and fall asleep! And near Yenisei and the groundwater level is very low !!! The local operator gets all the same 360 ​​rubles per cube, and 720 rubles to Moscow, a private trader .... They completely lost fear ...
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 15: 45
          +4
          Quote: Minus
          The container is almost empty !!! No one took it out, but it’s billed !!! For what???

          Quote: Minus
          and 720 rubles to Moscow, a private trader .... They completely lost their fear ...

          1. Not a "private trader", but Mr. Igor Yuryevich Chaika.
          2. If you didn’t produce garbage at all, you would have to pay money to this wonderful person anyway. There are a lot of such cases: there is no container at all, and invoices are issued. Mr. Chaika does not take out or recycle the garbage, but collects the garbage tax, or rather, the garbage tax. What to do with the garbage in this case is your problem, not his.
          1. minus
            minus 7 May 2019 15: 50
            0
            In this case, this is not his office, another leader there, but the essence is one ...
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 7 May 2019 16: 53
              0
              Quote: Minus
              In this case, this is not his office, another figure there

              Not a charter?

              You are right, I remembered this golden man in vain. However, it is always nice to remember him.

              And what kind of figure?
    2. username1234
      username1234 7 May 2019 23: 11
      +1
      Where private owners appear, food appears on the shelves, comfortable cars, new telephones, air conditioners, clothes and building materials.
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 8 May 2019 11: 48
      0
      Quote: VlR
      give evidence to prosecutors. However, those, probably, are still busy with Kokorin-Mamaev. Or pedophile teachers (or killer doctors) are being sought.

      No, Internet offenders are caught by the authorities.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 7 May 2019 07: 17
    0
    The rich will become richer, the poor will become poorer ...
  9. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 7 May 2019 09: 32
    +1
    Why do we drive oil for the cordon?
    It is necessary to remake gasoline and trade gasoline.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 7 May 2019 13: 55
      +1
      So it is necessary to invest in oil refineries! Do you feel? Invest your grandmother! What is it like? Is it possible?
  10. Karislav
    Karislav 7 May 2019 14: 18
    +7
    It quickly became clear that it was not just a question of raising the Old Man, but of a certain amount of oil, which fills - for a minute - 2 thousand kilometers of the pipeline.

    Let me remind you that organochlorine is what you pump into a well when you want to increase the level of its production, additives that dissolve stone and earth, naturally, once they get into the oil pipeline, they dissolve the oil pipeline; Once in the equipment at the refinery, they dissolve this equipment, and therefore the Old Man claims us $ 100 million. To put it mildly, it’s not very fair, because you need to watch what you upload to yourself at the refinery. There are special tools for this. But in any case, really, to swallow such a thing is like drinking vinegar, acetic acid instead of, say, milk.

    And, accordingly, all this fell under Samara, where the water flooding of the wells reaches 90%, which is understandable, because, in fact, then they pump it, especially in flooded wells, in order to increase production. And I remind you that the first suspicion was at Rosneft. Then we were told that searches were going on at some private terminals. Then everything ended quietly, and we don’t hear anything about private terminals.

    Somehow I have a suspicion for some reason that these are not private companies. Because this week another important unpleasant thing became clear - that, in fact, apparently, this whole problem is connected with the fact that Russia has not had access to horizontal drilling, to new technologies since the 14th year, since the sanctions. And, accordingly, instead of this, chlorine is pumped into the ground. Somewhere they began to close their eyes, if not allowed. And, accordingly, the problem does not have a quick solution, because it is unlikely that one field is poisoned with chlorine. Most likely, just what we have under the ground is poisoned in large quantities by chlorine, it will come out and go out.

    That is, such a story is pure Venezuela, when it turns out that the state is technologically incapable of making not only advanced technologies, but even oil production. And this is terrible apocalyptic management of chlorine-poisoned oil, it will probably be repeated and will be repeated again, and this problem has no quick solution.
    1. username1234
      username1234 7 May 2019 23: 13
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      Forgot to write that chlorine could damage the pipe itself in 2000km
  11. Karabas
    Karabas 7 May 2019 20: 28
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    The head of state had to give explanations personally to Nikolai Tokarev, the head of Transneft, a practically exclusive transit country for Russian export oil.

    So what is hatching so far? Another untouchable?
  12. Alexander X
    Alexander X 8 May 2019 13: 17
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    Millions of tons of dirty oil were pumped in and did not notice ... It is not for you to dilute a bucket of sour cream with water ... I think that this is a planned action ... At the level of Transneft, because when oil is accepted for pumping, input analysis is probably present. And the oil suppliers have money for their oil depending on the quality of the oil, which means that the oil composition is analyzed here too ... The whole question is who gave the command to pump such oil? Why did they do this? "Soft" power? The desire to bring down the ruble? ...