If it is found, go to F-15: the reaction in the United States to a possible search for F-35 RF and PRC

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The collapse of the Japanese F-35, flying over the vast expanses of the Pacific Ocean, caused a stir in the Western press. In particular, the question of the possible actions of potential opponents of the United States - Russia and China, who could theoretically begin to search for and retrieve the wreckage of an aircraft for their subsequent study, became acute. The preoccupation of publications with this moment also affected the readership, who voiced their approaches to the problem of declassifying technologies embedded in F-35.

If it is found, go to F-15: the reaction in the United States to a possible search for F-35 RF and PRC




This whole episode made me worry. Looking back, we probably should have added more ways to track the [invisible] F-35 outside of combat.


If the Russians or the Chinese find him and all his fragments, you can start buying F-15.


They do not need a huge fragment to get valuable information. I hope that all the raisins on the plane quickly decompose in salt.


Radar absorbing coatings, the location and layout of radar and avionics, ammunition, the ALIS module, engines and other 100 other things make each this "scrap metal" super-expensive, and water pressure will never break a fragment even at a depth of 5000 feet.


The destruction of sensitive equipment is a standard procedure [...] Of course, you remember the case of using a special “Black Hawk” in [against] bin Laden, they blew it up, such are the things.


The idea is that your enemy knows as little as possible about your products. If the Russian Federation or the People's Republic of China received the F-35, they would have stolen from him as much as they could, and would have included these components in their weapons.


Some readers questioned the desire of the Russian Federation at any cost to get "technological wonders" of the crashed fighter:

During the Azorian project [the rise of the CIA of the Soviet submarine K-129], the Russians had a ship following the Glomar Explorer, but this is almost all they did, and it was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean ...


I would use it [drowned F-35] as bait to see who is capable of what - replace a real plane with a model / mock-up to see what countries are capable of.


Many commentators have paid attention to the widespread prevalence of F-35, which greatly facilitates espionage:

The entire aircraft is designed for export. By planning around 3000 aircraft, it is inevitable that at some point one of them will end up in unfriendly hands.


They just downloaded all the plans and manuals from the LM [Lockheed Martin network, manufacturer], they do not need spare parts.


As for spies, Japan is probably safer than the United States, since the local culture and laws are more stringent and hostile to non-Japanese as a whole [...] I mean why the United States found Japan problematic to invade World War II .


Japan is a very culturally homogeneous country. It is very difficult for foreign spies to mix up [with the local population].


Should not have given F-35 to Israel. They do not have a good reputation for keeping secrets, plus they stole nuclear knowledge from the United States.


In the past, there has already been an incident with the USS Liberty [Israel’s attack by the US intelligence ship], it shows how unreliable Israel really is.


In terms of secrets, the United States is its own worst enemy.
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  1. +12
    April 16 2019 06: 05
    The spy mania of Western media readers is surprising. All right, spy mania, but dense stupidity shines through in the above comments. From the fact that on a small wreck, Russia and China can get all the "secrets" of the plane to
    I hope that all the highlights on the plane quickly decompose in salt.
    Or maybe "zest" will emerge in Russian or Chinese waters? Let them twitch, and at the same time spend a lot of money protecting what the Russian-Chinese submarines are so "torn to", and the divers rummage along the bottom in search of the coveted piece.
    1. +3
      April 16 2019 07: 04
      Well, why replicate this "bullshit after midnight"?
      1. +1
        April 16 2019 09: 45
        Moreover, it is not clear why VO does not publish the news that the Americans have introduced their new F-15X, which, in general, is impressive. Our Su-35 has a very worthy opponent.
    2. +4
      April 16 2019 09: 18
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The spy mania of Western media readers is surprising. All right, spy mania, but dense stupidity shines through in the above comments. From the fact that on a small wreck, Russia and China can get all the "secrets" of the plane to
      I hope that all the highlights on the plane quickly decompose in salt.
      Or maybe "zest" will emerge in Russian or Chinese waters? Let them twitch, and at the same time spend a lot of money protecting what the Russian-Chinese submarines are so "torn to", and the divers rummage along the bottom in search of the coveted piece.

      It is the word "torn" and it is in quotation marks that reflects the true essence of this "masterpiece" of the American aircraft industry.
      Neither the Chinese nor us, he did not rush for nothing. This is a blown soap bubble. And those who need to know about this, he knows.
      He, F-35, is not worth it.
    3. Cry
      -2
      April 16 2019 09: 42
      The composition of the water in the ocean is known, so the "zest" is easy to recover from decomposition products in any chemical laboratory.
      1. 0
        April 17 2019 13: 15
        Quote: Choro
        easy recovery by decomposition products

        After collecting these products throughout the Pacific.
        1. Cry
          +1
          April 17 2019 19: 05
          Your knowledge of chemistry at the level of test tubes and cones, unfortunately. Now for analysis it is enough to get traces of decomposition on the surface, so the Americans are worried. Until you pass the exam in chemistry, do not stick your nose like Madame Limpopo. Dot..
  2. +5
    April 16 2019 06: 17
    The worst thing is that a fool from Belengate sits and reads the comments, and then another "investigation" like the Russians will appear
    downloaded all plans and manuals from the LM network

    Later, the CIA, MI6, and the others howl about a new espionage scandal.
    1. +1
      April 16 2019 12: 08
      Yeah, after reading such a message in social networks
  3. +8
    April 16 2019 06: 25
    The American layman, it turns out, is stupid to disgrace. And they judge everything by comics. They do not catch up with the fact that the recovery of aircraft debris from a depth of 1,5 thousand meters is a complex engineering operation. Which requires special vessels, mechanisms, underwater vehicles. And then in greenhouse conditions. And with the external opposition to such an operation, it becomes practically impossible and meaningless. There will be more money spent on it than spent on industrial espionage for the acquisition of such technologies.
    1. +3
      April 16 2019 18: 55
      "worlds" and from not so deep the necessary things can lift. They are autonomous: they swam, picked up (robbed) and washed away. No wonder Cameron used them to examine the Titanic.
      1. 0
        April 17 2019 20: 14
        Quote: Cetron
        "worlds" and from not so deep the necessary things can lift. They are autonomous: they swam, picked up (robbed) and washed away. No wonder Cameron used them to examine the Titanic.

        So no one argues that Worlds will cope with such a task. But who will give them? From this area now American and Japanese forces will drive away all who try to conduct any "research work for scientific purposes."
    2. +4
      April 16 2019 19: 16
      Quote: Gritsa
      The American layman, it turns out, is stupid to disgrace. And they judge everything by comics. They do not catch up with the fact that the recovery of aircraft debris from a depth of 1,5 thousand meters is a complex engineering operation. Which requires special vessels, mechanisms, underwater vehicles. And then in greenhouse conditions. And with the external opposition to such an operation, it becomes practically impossible and meaningless. There will be more money spent on it than spent on industrial espionage for the acquisition of such technologies.

      If the Jews are well paid, then they are not wreckage, but they will sell the whole plane, from those that their star-striped friends have given them. It will cost cheaper than diving somewhere behind the wreckage.
      1. -4
        April 16 2019 19: 45
        Quote: Piramidon
        If the same Jews pay well

        You clearly imagine the Jews in Jewish jokes. It’s the same as representing Russians in the choir of the Soviet army.
        1. +1
          April 16 2019 20: 00
          Quote: kiril1246
          You clearly imagine the Jews in Jewish jokes.

          Maybe, but in part. Do not think that I belong to this nationality with some kind of prejudice. I have a lot of Jews of Russian origin among my many acquaintances and friends. And not all of them support Israel’s aggressive policy on BV hi
          1. 0
            April 16 2019 20: 09
            Quote: Piramidon
            May be. Do not think that I belong to this nationality with some kind of prejudice. I have a lot of Jews of Russian origin among my many acquaintances and friends. And not all of them even support the aggressive policy of Israel in the BV

            Glad you have many Jewish friends. And especially since among them there are pacifist anti-Zionists. Apparently their behavior gave you reason to think that military secrets will be sold to you for money. Israel also has similar movements that are trying to conduct anti-state activities for foreign grants. They try not to allow such secretaries of state. And for disclosure is seriously punished.
  4. +2
    April 16 2019 06: 28
    They even make advertisements out of the accident ... they probably already have a radio portrait
    1. +24
      April 16 2019 06: 57
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      They even make an advertisement out of an accident ...

      And we should benefit from this accident. A month or two later, declare that the export version of the S-400 has been finalized taking into account information obtained after a detailed study of the fragment of the F-35, accidentally caught by Russian fishermen.
      The increase in demand is guaranteed.
      1. +2
        April 16 2019 09: 21
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Quote: plotnikov561956
        They even make an advertisement out of an accident ...

        And we should benefit from this accident. A month or two later, declare that the export version of the S-400 has been finalized taking into account information obtained after a detailed study of the fragment of the F-35, accidentally caught by Russian fishermen.
        The increase in demand is guaranteed.

        Your words and our intelligence would be in the ears so that they pinned on a large one over the USA. They are not a joke, either.
        1. +1
          April 16 2019 09: 30
          Quote: Oleg14774
          so they pinned big over the USA. They are not a joke, either.

          And at the same time to cut down dough from Lockheed and Martin for reporting the declassification of "super technology" ie. for saving the virginity of the developers, who will be able to loudly declare that the plane was invisible until the moment the yapi watched it.
        2. 0
          April 16 2019 13: 11
          But Vaska listens, but eats)))
  5. -5
    April 16 2019 07: 05
    Here is an example of how to relate to your technology, it crashed around a place where a fleet wrecked so that, God forbid, strangers would not pick up fragments ...
    And not like ours: with a 400 NATO country, please, Turkey’s SU-57 if they pay, but no problem
  6. +12
    April 16 2019 07: 10
    Something like this.))
  7. +5
    April 16 2019 07: 18
    The fact that samol still cannot be found says that he crashed in stealth mode laughing
    1. +1
      April 16 2019 07: 39
      Another "world" aircraft version 3 ++++++ ...
  8. +1
    April 16 2019 07: 37
    In this hysterical noise, of course, everything is greatly exaggerated. It is pointless to waste resources for the sake of "any wreck", but "black boxes" could provide a lot of useful information. Therefore, the fears of the Americans are not entirely unfounded.
    1. +2
      April 16 2019 08: 27
      Not really. If you get fragments of the skin, then you can do a carbon analysis, density analysis, as well as analysis of radar visibility. Then it will be converted to values ​​close to the actual dimensions of the aircraft, and there will be many interesting things. Anyway, getting any data is only for the good of us.
      1. 0
        April 16 2019 09: 22
        Quote: Kapkan
        Not really. If you get fragments of the skin, then you can do a carbon analysis, density analysis, as well as analysis of radar visibility. Then it will be converted to values ​​close to the actual dimensions of the aircraft, and there will be many interesting things. Anyway, getting any data is only for the good of us.

        Do we need it for that kind of money?
      2. 0
        April 16 2019 09: 30
        this can hardly be done through the wreckage.
        Unless the material and coating to determine.
        but the EPR is far from being determined not only by this.
  9. +2
    April 16 2019 08: 12
    With the "invisible" shot down in Serbia, spare parts and debris were delivered to both China and Russia. Therefore, the fears of the Americans are not groundless. The only question is whether the sailors will be able to do this by lifting something from such a depth.
    1. 0
      April 16 2019 20: 07
      Quote: glory1974
      The only question is whether the sailors can do this, lifting something from such depth.

      Lifting a piece is not a problem. The problem is to find an aircraft, because its underwater trajectory is unpredictable. It's worse than a free-falling maple leaf! Therefore, on everything that flies over the sea, the COSPAS g / a beacons will appear. But whether there was one on the F-35 - "that is not known to science!" (from). That is why ours from the GUGI will try to weld themselves to the fullest. Yes
      And what will come of it - no one will know. Because this is a great secret IS! bully
  10. +2
    April 16 2019 08: 36
    The naive, at one time nuclear secrets were able to steal. It is another thing to reproduce products, or the process is difficult, or even impossible. Well, at least one would fly like Belenko, otherwise Cessna from Rust is small.
  11. -6
    April 16 2019 09: 12
    and what's the point that we or the Chinese will pick up a piece of f-35? along with this piece and production technology will lie at the bottom? ours bought carbon fiber from the Japanese, but something does not work to create an analogue of this fiber.
    1. +5
      April 16 2019 09: 47
      It would be more correct to say that they did not try to create an analogue.
      1. -9
        April 16 2019 09: 53
        Quote: Voyager

        It would be more correct to say that they did not try to create an analogue.

        because you can’t create it. To create an analogue of Japanese fiber, you need technology, equipment and highly skilled specialists. so it sounds funny, they didn’t try about, they didn’t try so that ms-21 was left without wings.
        1. +2
          April 16 2019 09: 58
          Quote: Obeme
          To create an analogue of Japanese fiber, you need technology, equipment and highly skilled specialists.

          Therefore, I say in the past tense that they did not try. To try is to take a full range of measures, including the development of technologies, the production of equipment, etc. But this does not mean that we cannot and do not.
          Quote: Obeme
          so it sounds funny, they didn’t try about, they didn’t try so that ms-21 was left without wings.

          While you are laughing, the MC-21 is already preparing to receive similar composites from our manufacturer.
        2. +2
          April 16 2019 13: 20
          Do you think that in Russia there are no high-class specialists who would create both equipment and materials? Everything is there and it would be a joy to them to create, but in Russia there is still a bureaucratic and embezzlement caste that you can’t miss out on anyhow, and the rest, by the residual principle.
          1. -2
            April 16 2019 14: 04
            Quote: sannyomd
            Do you think that in Russia there are no high-class specialists who would create both equipment and materials?

            then why are all the equipment and machines foreign?
            1. 0
              April 16 2019 17: 15
              You ask a false question in advance that does not require an answer.
              1. -2
                April 16 2019 18: 14
                Quote: Voyager
                You ask a false question in advance that does not require an answer.

                and what is he lying about?
  12. +1
    April 16 2019 09: 13
    F-35 can't be secret forever.
    all the same, the information will disperse, otherwise it cannot be on an airplane with such mass release and distribution in the world.
  13. +3
    April 16 2019 09: 42
    And why do we need to spend energy, time and money, if there are warm, resort countries, with visa-free entry and the Russian-speaking Knesset !? laughing laughing
  14. +1
    April 16 2019 10: 29
    That is a plausible excuse to abandon this smut. Like the RF and China still got and divided the debris of the super-duper prodigy. laughing
  15. +1
    April 16 2019 10: 36
    So let's see who is who in the collection of scrap metal. It is unlikely that we will only know the results.
  16. 0
    April 16 2019 10: 44
    If you get fragments of the skin, then you can do a carbon analysis, density analysis, as well as analysis of radar visibility.

    to understand that this is a metallic coating laughing
  17. +1
    April 16 2019 12: 04
    "Stealth" technology - noodles. The fact that stealth technology is not a strategic advantage has long been said by experts, both here and abroad. The Americans have gotten into it since the 70s, and let it go with fabulous
    facilities. They are incurably ill with "stealth mania". We decided to make everything "invisible": planes, missiles, ships, tanks, and even small arms. Your dollar-printing press!
    "Invisibles" did not participate in serious battles, and they are suffering losses, starting with Iraq and Yugoslavia. With the rapid progress of electronics and IT, the "stealth disease" is quite curable. Therefore, Russia and China are in no hurry to rivet "invisibles" many-serially. And the United States has many "allies", there is someone to shave off the gilded "stealth junk". So, neither Russia nor China would think of diving for the "invisible" debris. Wavelength ranges, they are able to scan themselves. Therefore, they are not interested in this stuff! The wreckage of the F-117 lies quietly in the Yugoslav Museum. Yes
  18. +3
    April 16 2019 15: 19
    The hardest thing for Americans that our divers can find is the price tag before it was re-glued and the numerous "Made in China" engravings.
    It will be a complete horror for LM, the Pentagon and the United States itself. And Erdogan will suffer - he will burst with laughter.
  19. 0
    April 16 2019 21: 32
    Russia, China, all this is not so scary. Captain Nemo, on Nautilus, is already prowling there, whom they are afraid of.
  20. +2
    April 16 2019 21: 39
    I’m just struck by the sharp-witted confidence of the Americans that we need to steal something from them
    their military-industrial complex has been making a breakthrough for 20 years, relying heavily on technologies stolen from the USSR.
    They themselves invent very little. Half f-35 is OUR technology. I will list - stealth technology, a rotary nozzle, an integrated layout, a radar created on the basis of stolen techniques for designing and calculating phased arrays, aerodynamics calculated on the basis of techniques developed in the USSR, network-centric control is also a technology of the USSR. The titanium in it is also from the Russian Federation.
    What should we steal except the new friend-or-foe recognition system? but this is not a new technology.
    The engine does not know how relevant. It was made for f-22 more than 20 years ago.
  21. lot
    0
    April 17 2019 08: 21
    Cognitive phobias from forums of potential opponents. let them tremble.
  22. 0
    April 17 2019 15: 10
    Quote: Medvezhya lapa nad Ki
    The worst thing is that a fool from Belengate sits and reads the comments, and then another "investigation" like the Russians will appear
    downloaded all plans and manuals from the LM network

    Later, the CIA, MI6, and the others howl about a new espionage scandal.

    So there was a scandal ... Chinese hackers downloaded all the documentation and drawings ... either F-22, or F-35 .. a long time ago, I don’t remember exactly.
  23. 0
    April 18 2019 10: 44
    Surname of the Japanese pilot Be-Lien-ko. His mother is a local Ukrainian.