After testing the guns, the T-80 cannon was called a log by a log.

In the network and expert environment, the video of the updated cannon tests published by the Zvezda channel is discussed tank T-80.

The program "Military Acceptance" presents shots on which they decided to try the gun in a very original way.

The tests were as follows: instead of ammunition, the gun was equipped with a log. For safety, water was poured into the barrel. After that, a shot was carried out, during which numerous chips came out of the trunk, and then threw plentiful steam.

The statement of the TV presenter during the tests “it seems that the tank smokes” also attracted attention.

In the snow in front of the tank, the remains of the wad were shown, with which the T-80 gun was charged.

The presenter of the program noted that the log completely turns into chips.

The web responded to such tests by suggesting that the T-80 tank with a renewed cannon “log” or “churkostrel” be called.

One of the comments:

So harsh that they started shooting wood.

In this case, some spoke of this kind of experiment enthusiastically, others doubted its feasibility, although the video describes that we are talking about trials after the repair of a gun.

Comments

[210ox]

People probably didn’t watch this video. They explained that how much. There and they poured water into the barrel. Testing the gun after repair.

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

People probably have not watched this video.

People don't want to know anything at all, they just don’t have enough time for it. “Hydraulic shot”, and this is the name of this process, is tested by the gun systems in ALL tank factories of the former USSR. And to make a sensation out of it, it is simply to divert attention from the main thing.
I was outraged otherwise. For so many years of work of the plant and testing, even the mound was not poured, which would be more convenient to fill in, not to mention the fact that this process could be mechanized.

[210ox]

Yes, it's not a lack of time, but because many have turned into Pavlov's "Internet dogs". Read the title and then the instinct of saliva and urination rushed.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: svp67

People don’t want to know anything at all, they just don’t have enough time for this.

"Blokhera", and do not need to know anything, they just "clean up". these are "osloum" laughter, and they only saw the army on TV.

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

I was outraged otherwise. For so many years of operation of the plant and testing, not even a mound was poured,

In general, there under the canopy the gangway stands for such purposes, but they are not looking for easy ways.

[svp67]

Quote: Gray Brother

In general, there under the canopy the gangway stands for such purposes, but they are not looking for easy ways.

These ladders for lifting on the armor, the requirements of security measures, to cut the trunk, with the desired elevation of the gun, they can not get

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

These ladders for lifting on armor, t

Seriously? Is it spelled out legislatively somewhere that it is forbidden to use it for other purposes?

Quote: svp67

they do not get it

What? There is a platform flush with the body. In the video there are two deer (one of them is the head, judging by the clock))) on the banks the heavy bank is raised and there is enough elevation angle.
And from the stairs you can hold the canister at the level of the belt without straining one - just drive up and pull the barrel, and that's it

[svp67]

Quote: Gray Brother

Seriously? Is it spelled out legislatively somewhere that it is forbidden to use it for other purposes?

No, it’s not forbidden, but to drag such a structure ... and even together, it’s not anyone who wants it, it’s easier to pour some water

[Gray brother]

Quote: svp67

but to carry such a design ...

Why carry it? The tank itself will drive up - it’ll just twist the tower and that's it.
The video simply captures the boss who decided to get into the TV, judging by the outlook, he sits in a cozy office and took up this canister for the first time in his life.
Therefore, he suffers and pours water into his sleeve)))
And those who work there constantly will then watch this video and make fun of it.

[Simargl]

Quote: Gray Brother

And those who work there constantly will then watch this video and make fun of it.

I think they all crammed into the tank so that no neighbors could be heard.

[bone1]

And what is the point of such tests?

[YOUR]

For those who are too lazy to watch the entire video.
47 seconds the same "log" that was hammered into the barrel
4-minute - pour water
10 minute the shot itself.
Cheat sheet to speed up the browsing process.

[svp67]

Quote: YOUR

Cheat sheet to speed up the browsing process.

Painfully short ... and most importantly not accurate

Quote: YOUR

4-minute - pour water

3 minutes 45 seconds.

Quote: YOUR

10 minute the shot itself.

10 minutes 42 seconds, but that’s not all ...
Water fill .... 25 minute 44 second, 35 minute 40 second
Shot ... 25 minute 50 second, 35 minute 44 second

[Kapkan]

Before the release of a new car model, when they give it a name, number, or whatever, they always carry out a research, or simply turn their heads on the subject - and what possible reputation risks can this or that name bear?
And you know, I have long had claims to this program and its host. He often carries such transcendental delirium that he is just a mitt. ((
It would be possible to use other descriptive expressions during the filming. Such things need to be thought out ahead of time, and not invented on the go.

[loki565]

What do you dislike about the program? or the tank doesn’t shoot a piece of wood?))) Yes, and most of the video is dedicated to the T80 itself, and not to checking its guns.

[svp67]

Quote: loki565

And most of the video is dedicated to the T80 itself, and not to checking its gun.

Yes, the fact of the matter is that the ordinary, in principle, process has been given too much attention, only THREE "water shots" were carried out to show its power from different distances.

[Kapkan]

I do not like it when they talk nonsense without being prepared to the whole country, and not only. The tank can shoot at least stones and cones, but this should be presented adequately. What difference does it make to what 80% is devoted to if "the devil is in the details" ...

[loki565]

Well you don't like it, others like it

Everything is correct. Tests But it sounds fun. I smiled, but I think many. A good joke is always stronger than stupid rudeness, stupid literacy and distortion.

The channel’s policy is aimed at reaching a large part of the audience, don’t think that people are sitting there stupider than you.

[Kapkan]

Quote: loki565

Well you don't like it, others like it

For God's sake. In addition, I also like some issues.

Quote: loki565

The channel’s policy is to reach most of the audience.

Yes, the larger the audience, the more it requires responsibility and preparation. Including training on reputation risks.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Kapkan

they always carry out either research or simply include their heads on the subject - and what possible reputational risks may be

Totally agree with you. A lot of ill-conceived (correctly expressed). Why do we ourselves need to give material to foes. Such programs should be more professional and smarter than giggling button-push monkeys.

[svp67]

Quote: Kapkan

Before the release of a new car model, when they give it a name, number, or whatever, they always carry out a research, or simply turn their heads on the subject - and what possible reputation risks can this or that name bear?

The T-80 has a lot of names, it is "vacuum cleaner", and "helicopter", and "swallow", but almost every crew has its own. One thing I will say is the tankers who have driven or shot the T-80 at least once do not remain indifferent ... after its "diesel" counterparts, this tank leaves an indelible impression

[zhekazs]

Quote: svp67

it is a "vacuum cleaner", and a "helicopter", and a "swallow", but almost every crew has its own.

"Kerogaz" ... and tried gasoline and alcohol, whistles only in different ways.

Quote: svp67

tank crews who at least once led ... do not remain indifferent ...

Yes, in the early 90s, as you recall, foreign cars (cars) were worse in terms of parameters.
And when on the march, stop, and in the cold, on the lid above the divider - uh-mm-mmm, but with a gull stew ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

,, yes with a gull stew ,,
Father served in the navy. I am urgent also in the Navy. The submarines, the aircraft carrier, the atomic cruiser, don’t idle ... But in 24 I saw the tank for the first time that was rushing at me.
Sensations?! .. Paralysis !!!!! Just a little bit ... smiling ... :-) Well, you understand .... :-) :-) :-) :-)

[Nitochkin]

Normal practice. Hydrotracking after repair to check the operation of the recuperator and the brake rollback and reel. Water is by weight of the shell, and chock is wad so that water does not pour out through the breech.
Network hamsters from all clowning will arrange.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And why would you be surprised if even young people, except the Internet, see nothing? Not all of course .. But most. For such a category, these shows do. And then they ask who Meresyev is .. But the cost of new gadgets is well known.

[zhekazs]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And then they ask who Meresyev is ..

So this is our task (mine, yours, his - of the older generation) - to explain to young people who Meresyev is and who Maresyev is. The fate of man, however, is to transfer his knowledge to the offspring. But, you are right that not all youth are now like that.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Zhekzs, thank god my know. And read the book. Interested in history. He doesn’t really want to serve in the army, but honestly says that he will go as it is his duty. He wants to become an engineer. In fact, a normal child.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Nitochkin

Water by weight of the projectile

30 kg shell? They have a thirty canister, full.

[CentDo]

High-explosive fragmentation there in the region of 20-25 kg weighs. It is a shell. A shot of more than 30.

[Carib]

Everything is correct. Tests But it sounds fun. I smiled, but I think many. A good joke is always stronger than stupid rudeness, stupid literacy and distortion.

[boathouse]

T-80 is a great tank!

[Horon]

Since when did shkolota become an expert environment?

[svp67]

Quote: Horon

Since when did shkolota become an expert environment?

Since they said that "blogging" is a profession.

[Gray brother]

I am tormented by the question - are these two events connected?

[dragy52rus]

continuation of the topic

[Gray brother]

Quote: dragy52rus

continuation of the topic

This cry of Yaroslavna is not a topic at all. Dude is against the modernization of old tanks and for their conservation, and the fact that an obsolete tank with conservation is a coffin for the crew is nothing for him.
Let him first get thousands of "Armats" out of his pocket, and then he will be indignant.

[loki565]

Well, we have found an "expert", this Latvian sprat only understands in War Thunder)))

[Archon]

Tell me, what is the superiority of the speed of the t-80, if the difference with the main world tanks is no more than 10 km / h on the highway, and no one reaches high speeds on the battlefield, especially on rough terrain? Does it make much sense in arctic tank bases? who is capable of even opposing us in the Arctic? (I thought that the main direction is air defense systems and Arctic missile bases)

[svp67]

Quote: Archon

Tell me, what is the superiority of the speed of the t-80, if the difference with the main world tanks is no more than 10 km / h on the highway, and no one reaches high speeds on the battlefield, especially on rough terrain?

These 10 km / h may be the decisive factor in the success of the operation. But here the matter is not even in it, but in throttle response, that is, the ability to quickly gain high speed, of a tank. This indicator is VERY important for survival on the battlefield.

Quote: Archon

Does it make much sense in arctic tank bases?

Do you have some kind of childish idea about this. "Tank base" ... Tanks there are part of the motorized rifle brigades and they are called "Arctic" because they are preparing to fight in difficult terrain with a very low temperature. And the fact that such parts are simply not necessary is shown both by history and the current state of affairs.

[Bull Terrier]

And than the throttle response of 80 is better than any diesel engine?) Rather even worse. Or do you confuse responsiveness with adaptability?

[svp67]

Quote: Bull Terrier

And why is the throttle response of the 80 better than any diesel?) Rather, even worse.

Not exactly which is better. He picks up speed faster, that from a place, that while moving. The power and design of the transmission of engine energy to the transmission elements are different. The T-80 with a gas turbine engine does not have a mechanical engine-transmission link, unlike a diesel engine. And therefore the speed set is also smoother.

[Bull Terrier]

Well, just the throttle response of a diesel engine is 3 times worse than a diesel engine. What would it not have to be stepped off the gazik to the floor and manually set to the maximum. The tank, however, is not intended for straight traffic, but more for crossing. And there are these advantages that you say not particularly. Even more, on any forest road, a diesel t 90 will make 80 almost always for a bunch of reasons. I love 80 with all my heart) the whole service for them since the school) but I also know her shortcomings well)))

[svp67]

Quote: Bull Terrier

What would it be necessary to unvill the jeep to the floor and manually set it to the maximum.

Forgive me, but this has to be done on diesel engines, and all of them, otherwise the engine will lock up, overheating it. But on the gas turbine engine, you put the throttle stick from the "Low throttle" position to the operating position and then you work not only with the gas pedal, but also with the PCA. Since the change in the inclination of the RSA blades also greatly changes the traction and speed characteristics of the T-80

[Bull Terrier]

Well, about the gas engine on the floor, I’m figuratively) it’s just a shopping mall if you work at the maximum and use the brakes through the onboard cargo boxes and PCA and the crew is not difficult to cripple. Anything can happen. Is that all? This is a wild fuel consumption and acceleration of the transmission's departure to another world. more importantly, the 90 turning radius is less than 80 plus, due to the specifics of the control, the power drop is significantly higher. So you still need to see who has the advantage on the battlefield) and now the machine has gone ahead on the latest versions instead of 7)

[Tuzik]

I read your interesting conversation with svp67, and still didn’t understand which tank accelerates faster?

[Saxon]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Well, just the throttle response of a diesel engine is 3 times worse than a diesel engine. In order to disengage it, you have to gazik to the floor and manually set to maximum ...

In a twin-shaft gas turbine engine, the situation with torque is like that of an electric motor ... The load is growing and, with a drop in speed, the torque is increasing. The ICE is not the case. :) As a result, an important indicator of armored vehicles - mobility - with a GTE higher.

[Genry]

Quote: Archon

Tell me, what is the superiority of the speed of the t-80, if the difference with the main world tanks is no more than 10 km / h on the highway, and no one reaches high speeds on the battlefield, especially on rough terrain?

It's not about speed, but about the quick start of a gas turbine engine in the cold. If the diesel engine starts for almost half an hour, then the gas turbine engine in one minute.

Quote: Archon

Does it make much sense in arctic tank bases? who is capable of even opposing us in the Arctic?

There are many uncontrolled territories in the north. In the case of an enemy landing, the possibility of its destruction is needed. Do you offer to haul equipment from the Moscow Region?

Quote: Archon

(I thought that the main direction is air defense systems and missile arctic bases)

Well, at least here you think ... Only the word "basic" was said, but did not understand that it was not "the only".

[Leonidych]

In general, any weapon, not only a tank one, after repair is tested by hydro-shooting for the serviceability of recoil devices.

[Rusfaner]

Quote: svp67

Quote: 210ox

People probably have not watched this video.

People don't want to know anything at all, they just don’t have enough time for it. “Hydraulic shot”, and this is the name of this process, is tested by the gun systems in ALL tank factories of the former USSR. And to make a sensation out of it, it is simply to divert attention from the main thing.
I was outraged otherwise. For so many years of work of the plant and testing, even the mound was not poured, which would be more convenient to fill in, not to mention the fact that this process could be mechanized.

During the war, my father worked at Motovilikha and there the test positions were right on the banks of the Kama. Dad said that two buckets of water were poured into the barrels of the 122 and 152 mm cannons and "banged" over the river - this was one of the stages of accepting the guns. Then, or before that, they fired into the forest on the other side with shells filled with sand.
My brother, who studied at the Sverdlovsk Higher Tank Artillery School, told me about firing a log, or rather a loaf of bread, from a tank cannon. I can’t vouch for the truth - I’m a liaison and never went in a tank. My brother said that the program included classes in which the tankers trained the artillerymen, and they fired some plastic shells from the Sling at the tanks, and when they hit, everything that was not welded three times was ripped off the tank. And in the tank, the cadets were not at all happy from the blow. Therefore, the cadets came up with revenge - a shot of a loaf of bread from a couple of hundred meters at the gun, when the tank, at the end of the exercise, approached the battery. The calculation was "blown away". Apparently, the artillerymen were hit hard, because then the faculties fought among themselves.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Rusfaner

About a shot from a tank gun with logs, or rather a loaf of bread,

I also heard this button accordion in various variations - it was fired with a loaf, then with a boot, then with condensed milk and just a can of cinnamon. The list of targets struck (always successfully naturally) also varies greatly between about the wall of the barracks and the plane flying at the speed of sound. Judging by how the tree was smashed, there can’t be any talk of firing a loaf.
Although I would like to try to shoot a kirzach worn on the barrel myself

[Konatantin 1992]

Yes, everything about hydraulic shots with providing loads on recoil devices corresponding to regular shots is in the know .. all this is clear. I don’t understand how the T-80 is capitalized. From the Far East, tanks are being brought to St. Petersburg ... But there were 206 BTRZs in Ussuriysk, which were safely ravaged and closed in 2012.

[Bull Terrier]

There already in 90 everything was bad. Departmental plants cannot be ruined. They are on the balance of the MO.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Konatantin 1992

From the Far East, tanks are transported to St. Petersburg ...

These T-80s of all modifications, with a maximum of five hundred in the army. You can carry to Peter.

[Bull Terrier]

Have come) we’re already discussing hydro shots) what’s next?)

[engineer74]

We don’t learn anything from PR-schiki! They would show at the end a holey armor plate of 500 millimeters thick punctured by the FOUR and proudly announce that the range for firing shells will be in 2024!

[loki565]

Yeah, it's like in the TANKS, the rule is 3 hummingbirds, like it doesn’t ricochet, they should show this video)))

[Romanenko]

I am simply amazed at how people react to information that does not fit in those small, apparently memory cells in the head, responsible for processing incoming traffic.
Immediately, on this wave, an article appeared in NI, where pin-dos wrote that ammunition plants had risen in Russia and the Russians had begun to produce shells from wood in order to compensate for the ammunition spent in Syria. Or something like that.
Of course this is nonsense, journalists writing in NI are not so stupid.
But our scribblers begin to please.
By the way, since we are talking about a "log thrower", let's dig a story with the use of pieces of wood in technology - the ZIL-130 engine also included one wooden part - a crankshaft seal, the part was made not from raw wood, but from delta wood, but no less Zil, no one called "a log-drive".

[Ivan Zavadsky]

What for does he even need this T80? To produce a bunch of different machines in the army means to create an extra hemorrhoids for themselves with their operation.

[Romanenko]

For a long time, this question still hung in the air, and the 80s too. But literally about 15 years ago, when the need to return the army to the regions of the Arctic was determined, a dilemma arose. Either create a specialized version of the T-72 for the Far North, or look around and see what you can use for these places from the Soviet backlog. And it turned out that the T-80 is very suitable for the north. Starting a diesel engine in a 50-degree frost is more than debatable. In those places, the engines on tractors in the winter often do not jam at all until spring. But the T-80 gas turbine, even in conditions of very hard freezing, proved to be more than the best. It starts and works steadily. To create a new car, in the presence of a large number of ready-made T-80s, is wasteful and pointless. Now a lot has been done on the basis of the T-72, which simply can automatically migrate to the 80-ku. So, we can assume that the T-80 finally found itself after a long history, when it really was not clear why it exists.

[loki565]

haemorrhoids with operation, this is when at minus 40 you dance with a tambourine around the diesel engine, and so for two hours)))
A T80 will eat in 5 minutes

[yehat]

The t80 is a very good tank, but it does not have a place in the ranks of the aircraft in the conditions of total economy on every rusty bolt, along with the t72. Need a single unified tank. Need simpler logistics

Either the t80 will be unified by engine (or engine interchangeability), gun, etc. with the T72 line, or he should go to the storage base.
I agree with a number of commentators that there should be only 2 main tanks - a running T72 / T80 / T90 single highly unified complex and a promising armata / black eagle / wet chicken - it doesn’t matter what it's called, but ONE tank.
It would be better, instead of a zoo of upgrades to the T80 and T72 versions, to tackle the more pressing problems of technological advancement - improving the engine, improving the LMS, improving additional protection, introducing modularity of booking, solving the problem with the growth of penetration of sub-calibers (the problem is not stupidly solved, despite the bravura reports on implementation of projects), etc. - There are a bunch of necessary applied topics. Finally, it is necessary to equip a large modern base for the repair and operation of heavy equipment in the Far East - now there is none, the old one is destroyed.
There are a lot of problems, and instead of the pleasure of operating the T80, it is more important to solve them.

[Whowhy]

It reminds me of a joke about a Japanese sawmill that we bought for a collective farm:
The whole farm gathered for testing. First they put a branch there. Whack - cleaned the branch from the bark and sawn into small slices. “Damn it,” the men said. Put the log. Whack - cleared the log from the bark and sawed it on the boards. Uh, damn it, ”the men said. Put a hefty stump. Whack - the stump turned into fuel briquettes. Oooo, damn it, ”the men said. But then Grandfather Antip was not at a loss and put a crowbar into the sawmill. Drink - and the sawmill broke. Ahh, damn it, - the men said joyfully ....

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: from article

After testing the guns, the T-80 cannon was called a log by a log.

The main thing is that they do not begin to test the gun with poop ... And then, how will the tank be called then?