Pros and cons of booking Abrams depleted uranium tanks

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One of the features of the American tank "Abrams" is the presence of armor plates, which include depleted uranium. In 1988 in a modification M1A1NA used the first generation uranium armor - Uranokramika UO87. In 1990, a second-generation uranium armor was installed on a tank - UO100 in aluminum bags. To date, in the modifications M1A2SEP used third generation armor - UO100 with graphite coating in titanium bags. Announced and the imminent transition to the uranoceramics generation 4.

Pros and cons of booking Abrams depleted uranium tanks




Equivalent resistance of such armor to BOPS (armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber projectile) is 960 mm, and to cumulative shells - up to 1600 mm steel armor. For comparison, the first generation uranium armor had 470 mm against BOPS and 650 mm against cumulative projectiles. That is, the new parameters for security can be safely attributed to the pluses.

But uranium armor, despite its good durability, has its drawbacks.

The density of depleted uranium is about 1,7 times the density of lead, and therefore heavier. Due to the large mass of such armor, it is used only in the frontal part of the tower and the front part of the body. The design feature of uranium armor eliminates the bending of sheets, which causes the "angularity" and large dimensions of the Abrams. This is one of the downsides.

An important aspect is the safety of the crew. Although depleted uranium is less radioactive than ordinary uranium and its radiation is blocked by lining, it, like any other heavy metal, is a danger to human health.

When a tank is fired and uranium elements are damaged, microscopic radioactive dust can concentrate inside the car, inhalation of which adversely affects health. Hits, even without breaking through the armor, lead to scatter of dangerous elements near the tank and pollution of the area.

Also, the toxicity and parameters of radioactive damage from uranium armor significantly increase during a fire. The crew inhales dangerous products, which negatively affects the health of tankers.

Earlier in the US, independent physicians attempted to assess the effect of depleted uranium on tank crews that have been using armored vehicles with urano-ceramic protection for a long time.

Began to cheerfully, but then the research was unexpectedly folded. There was an opinion that the doctors were simply not allowed to modify it, so that the real state of things with the impact on health would not be the reason for refusing to use the technology. Because the technology is used and developed, despite many of its critics in the United States. And no biomedical research is officially conducted. At least in the public domain about them is not reported.
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  1. +22
    April 2 2019 08: 41
    Essentially a radioactive crypt, not a tank.
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 09: 17
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Essentially a radioactive crypt, not a tank.

      An important aspect is the safety of the crew.
      When firing a tank and damaging uranium elements, microscopic radioactive dust can be concentrated inside the machine, inhalation of which negatively affects health.
      Also, the toxicity and parameters of radioactive damage from uranium armor significantly increase during a fire. The crew inhales dangerous products, which negatively affects the health of tankers.

      And what do they think, American tankers, that war is a fun walk with the sniffing of flowers ?! Or that they will not shoot at them? So ask the Government and Congress that those countries whose troops will shell your tanks will be subject to sanctions and they will not be sent humanitarian aid!
      1. -3
        April 2 2019 10: 45
        It turns out that our BPS and the same Relic will not take Abrams’s frontal armor?
        1. +17
          April 2 2019 10: 49
          Relic is actually a dynamic defense, and not a means of destroying other people's tanks laughing
        2. 0
          April 2 2019 11: 28
          Where does this conclusion come from?
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 12: 26
            Simple math and no fraud.
            1. +1
              April 2 2019 12: 51
              Do not mistake for tediousness, but explain. How did you manage to calculate this?
              1. +1
                April 2 2019 13: 19
                Our BOPS penetrate at the very best 750mm.
                1. +3
                  April 2 2019 14: 20
                  .... in the public domain there is evidence of the effectiveness of BOPS "Mango" against combined armor barriers. So, a seven-layer block (the exact composition is unknown) at an angle of 60 ° (block thickness along the projectile - 620 mm) breaks through from a distance of 3800 meters. A three-layer spaced target with a meeting angle of 65 ° (total thickness 1830 mm) confidently affects at distances of about 2700 meters ....
                  In addition, there are also cumulative shells.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2019 14: 38
                    Uncle, yes, such an Abrams will not break himself at point blank range, and you push me some nonsense with space performance characteristics. Do not embarrass yourself.
                    1. 0
                      April 2 2019 14: 41
                      I will not argue with the specialist. Are you special?
                      1. +5
                        April 3 2019 12: 17
                        Some time ago some figures and facts reached the public in order to somehow excite those responsible for the defense industry, and everyone knows the report of the Steel Research Institute on the armor and armor penetration of the Abrams BOPs and Russian tanks. As you know, as 90% of the T-72 tank fleet of various modifications were, they remained, as they were the main MPS of the Mango, and remained. In the design of the tower, sides and bottom, little has changed in the T-72/90, unlike the NATO countries and allies, which have come off far in the creation of new armor, ceramics, etc. versions of Leo2, Abrams and Challenger2 are serious in all plans of the car. So today, the talk that the T-72 and T-90 can fight on equal terms against the Abrams and Leopards and Armata can wait at least strange. Armata is primarily needed against modern NATO tanks.
                      2. 0
                        April 3 2019 14: 48
                        Quote: KrokodilGena
                        In the design of the tower, sides and bottom, little has changed in the T-72/90, unlike the NATO countries and allies, which have come off far in the creation of new armor, ceramics, etc. and not only in the creation, but also in rearmament, all the latter versions of Leo2, Abrams and Challenger2 are serious in all plans of the car.

                        very interesting ... it is strange that only T-90 withstood ATGM in Syria. So Abrams and Leo praised by you were burnt.
                        and yes ... they took a very long step ... Yes
                      3. -1
                        April 3 2019 20: 58
                        You can proof where the abrams and leopards were not blown from the inside. But our 72 burned like matches
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                      5. +2
                        April 3 2019 19: 47
                        Of course, I understand everything, swearing, ceramics, but for some reason it seems to me that our general staff and military theorists do not leave a chance for theories of tank battles. no such in modern and future wars. that's apparently why it is believed that the t-72 and t-90 and their modifications are quite enough. what's the difference how many mm of uranium armor the abrams and t-90 have in frontal projection if these tanks are to be stern in the stern and on top of the tower. or cover with large-caliber artillery over areas. to cover the infantry and cracking strongholds, the t-72 is enough, the abrams is redundant.
        3. +4
          April 2 2019 14: 04
          How can a Relic (this is DZ) take some kind of armor?
          Attach the module to the armor and hit with a hammer? Then he won’t take it - for sure.
          1. +4
            April 3 2019 10: 36
            Except how to exaggerate a typo, no one can mumble anything. Of course, we are talking about the Reflex, which is useless against Abrashka in fact, looking exclusively at the official characteristics.
            1. 0
              April 3 2019 14: 33
              There is a KUV "Invar" missile with armor penetration of 900mm from 5km (while Abrasha cannot aim accurately) to slap him on the gusli - do you know what will happen to a tank that has received a caterpillar break on the move? it will sharply deploy its side - here's the target ready for you.
              1. +2
                April 3 2019 19: 49
                are you enough of the potatoes !?
                1. -1
                  April 3 2019 20: 02
                  You’ll poke your mom who apparently didn’t bring you up how to communicate with strangers
                  1. -2
                    April 7 2019 16: 08
                    to whom I want to and poke, YOU are definitely not my mother what to indicate, so that YOU keep quiet and play potatoes further.
          2. -2
            April 3 2019 14: 50
            Quote: bk316
            How can a Relic (this is DZ) take some kind of armor?

            can! not "Relic", but something like that. the detonation of the Ukrainian "Knife" renders the tank incapacitated. wink
            1. -1
              April 3 2019 15: 37
              But the same, not the enemy laughing
              1. 0
                April 3 2019 15: 40
                umm ... what well yes. but the tank! fellow
    2. +8
      April 2 2019 09: 18
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Essentially a radioactive crypt, not a tank.

      And there is. If not penetrated, the crew and colleagues of the unit will breathe in graphite radioactive dust and will not produce healthy offspring plus oncology. After the "Desert Storm" there was the same problem, but it was hushed up. Basically, in the US Army there is a large percentage of marginalized and migrant-over-the-greencart. I think that the authorities and military concerns do not really care about their fate (remember the anecdote about the sheriff and blacks?). The main thing is that an expensive tank would remain combat readiness as long as possible, and the crew could be changed.
      1. +7
        April 2 2019 18: 43
        Quote: Yrec
        After "Desert Storm" there was the same problem, but it was hushed up


        And their opponents simply burned down along with their eco-friendly tanks.
      2. +3
        April 3 2019 09: 39
        Quote: Yrec
        If it is not broken, the crew and colleagues of the unit will breathe in graphite radioactive dust and will not produce healthy offspring plus oncology.

        These uranoceramic plates are the outer lining of the tank. Next comes the steel. Then the inner lining (including Kevlar). So if there is no penetration, there will be no graphite dust inside the tank.
        1. -1
          April 3 2019 09: 53
          True, she will settle outside the tank. To disinfect it, you need to carry out a special set of measures. To do this, in the tank unit you need a division of the Russian Chemical-Chemical Base with all the belongings. Is there such a thing? No. After the tank leaves the battle, it will be examined by the crew, Zampotech, the commander and all the servicemen who are nearby to look at the hole. And ALL of them will inhale radioactive dust and grab a dose. Though small, but there will be more than one hit on the tank; there are many tanks in the unit.
        2. -2
          April 3 2019 14: 55
          Quote: Normal ok
          These uranoceramic plates are the outer lining of the tank. Next comes the steel. Then the inner lining (including Kevlar). So if there is no penetration, there will be no graphite dust inside the tank.

          very interesting! but padding combined armor is a highly guarded secret. where did you get this secret information that you give us here? from the Internet? wassat or do you compose on the go how it should be visible? wink
    3. +33
      April 2 2019 10: 24
      Quote: Spartanez300

      Essentially a radioactive crypt, not a tank

      Now turn on the brain (if any) and count a little.
      Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4,5 billion years. Some people compare it to polonium, probably because both are alpha emitters. But the most stable isotope of polonium (Po-210) has a half-life of 138 days. Consequently, the activity of polonium is higher than that of uranium, about 13 billion times! But that's not all. For some reason, many people think that if N alpha decays occurred, then N alpha particles can be detected. This is absolutely not the case. The path length of alpha particles in uranium carbide is very short. There are formulas to calculate it. I will not bring them, whoever wants, he will find. I give the finished result: 1,7 microns. Only this layer of uranium armor can be dangerous for the crew! Do you think that's it now? Whatever it is. a briquette of uranium carbide is tightly welded in a titanium shell, through which radiation cannot penetrate. Of course, over time, the envelope will inflate with the helium formed during the decay (since alpha particles are the helium nuclei). Years that way in 200 million. And, finally, titanium "pockets" are hung on the inner armor of the tank. Of course, if all these layers, including the inner armor, are pierced by a shell, then uranium can get to the crew - but the dead are not afraid.
      Why is so much afraid of uranium and so many horror stories? Because depleted uranium shells are really dangerous. Uranium has an unpleasant property - when crushed by an impact, uranium flares up, smoke - uranium dioxide - consists of the smallest particles and easily enters the lungs, water, products ... And now, hold on. But to confuse sour with red is a bad manners.
      1. +4
        April 2 2019 11: 24
        You reason correctly) well done) the only thing is that breaking through is not always the death of a crew and a broken tank so there is little chance to puff up invigorating dust) but what if depleted uranium is irradiated with neutrons?) How about a nuclear explosion?
        1. +20
          April 2 2019 11: 46
          Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
          But what if depleted uranium is irradiated with neutrons?

          This is possible. Irradiate. With a good dose, the radioactivity of uranium will increase markedly - but by then the contents of the tank will turn into a warm jelly. By the way, the question is: do you not recognize commas in principle, or just save on key wear? And did I drink with you at the Brudershaft? Please follow the rules of communication.
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          1. -1
            April 2 2019 15: 10
            Now your true gut has come out.
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      3. 0
        April 2 2019 17: 14
        Consequently, the activity of polonium is higher than that of uranium, about 13 billion times!

        Exactly the same, but the lethal dose of polonium is milligrams of uranium in a tank per ton.
        The total difference is a billion times, that is, the tank emits something like a lethal dose of polonium belay
        1. +6
          April 2 2019 17: 40
          Quote: bk316
          a lethal dose of polonium - milligrams, uranium in a tank per ton.
          The total difference is a billion times, that is, the tank emits something like a lethal dose of polonium

          You read my first post, there are detailed estimates. The lion's share of radiation during alpha decay is stuck in uranium itself. Suppose that the uranium lining has an area of ​​5 square meters (mainly the frontal part is lined). The path length in it is 1,7 μm, which means that the volume from which radiation can come is about 8,5 cubic meters. cm, or, taking into account the density, has a mass of about 150 - and we can’t talk about any tons. And, I repeat again: all this radiation will get stuck in the titanium cladding of the armor plates and in the internal armor. And think about something else: someone produces thousands of tons of uranium oxide, uranium carbide, uranium armor, shells, ballast for Boeing (there is such an application!), While dealing with dusty powder, not stoves. Do you think all these people die and are constantly sick? I assure you, these manufactures are much more dangerous than sitting in a tank.
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 22: 22
            I do not argue about the mileage.
            The half-life argument is not accepted.
            About
            Do you think all these people die and are constantly sick?

            I do not think, I know that they get sick and die from diseases that could very well be caused by small doses of radiation. Read oncology statistics.
      4. +4
        April 2 2019 18: 31
        You are not looking from that point of view. It's not about radiation, but about toxicity to the body. It just so happened that depleted uranium in terms of toxicity at the level of mercury or lead, or maybe even stronger. Here they are afraid not of radiation, but of poisoning of the body, by inhaling uranium dust.
        1. -1
          April 2 2019 20: 32
          Quote: cast iron
          depleted uranium in terms of toxicity at the level of mercury or lead, and maybe even stronger.

          You're not right. For example, the permissible concentration of uranium-238 dust is not more than 1,4 g per square meter. Mercury tolerances are disproportionately tighter.
      5. 0
        April 3 2019 04: 47
        Now turn on the brain (if any) and count a little.


        Let's be honest, the Americans didn’t start to shove spent depleted uranium from a good life without getting into armor, you know the money. Not only Americans know about the properties of uranium armor, but no one else puts it on tanks, the cons still outweigh. The tank fonit at first is within normal limits but over time the background only grows, for many reasons, including due to a breach of tightness.
        1. +3
          April 3 2019 13: 17
          It’s like, at the beginning the radiation is normal and then it starts to sound like a reactor in the tank, if you don’t know then don’t write nonsense, go to the website http://militaryrussia.ru/, there are a lot of books on nuclear physics in the library department, including radiation, I’ve been collecting them for years.
        2. +6
          April 3 2019 13: 22
          And most importantly, the armor of the Abrams tank uses uranium ceramics, more precisely, uranium oxide. Why they do not use it in other countries, the technology is very expensive and there are many secrets, in other countries they could not master it, and in terms of complexity it is in no way inferior to the technology for producing BOPS cores.
        3. 0
          April 3 2019 16: 53
          Quote: krops777
          The tank fonit at first is within normal limits but over time the background only grows, for many reasons, including due to a breach of tightness.

          Is it you where they dug up such data? Are there specific numbers or will we theoretically chat? Can radioactivity be an order of magnitude higher in a coal mine? Who ever told you that the tank is fonit? What about increasing radioactivity and radiation when flying on airplanes? What about the harmfulness of Wi-Fi?
      6. +4
        April 3 2019 13: 11
        Finally I gave a good example, I wanted to give a link and an address for books on depleted uranium, in every topic about tanks and armor the same opuses and stereotypes with rooted clichés, there’s simply no strength left.
      7. -1
        April 4 2019 02: 37
        Why uranium if tungsten density is higher?
  2. +10
    April 2 2019 08: 42
    studies were unexpectedly curtailed
    So harmful to tankers and
    the environment.
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 09: 39
      can. and for medical researchers!
    2. Fat
      +5
      April 2 2019 12: 30
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      studies were unexpectedly curtailed
      So harmful to tankers and
      the environment.

      Maybe just someone smart refused to finance the research of Anglo-Saxon researchers. And at their own expense, it was impossible for potential claimants to conduct research. Although, if there was any chance to shake the buck from the US government for compensation, the loers would still tear the subject with their naked teeth ...
    3. +1
      April 2 2019 17: 45
      It will be hard to gobble up a ton of uranium in the bottom of the helmet
    4. +8
      April 2 2019 22: 18
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      So bad for tankers

      It is much more harmful for tankers to get into a tank once, even without a subsequent detonation of ammunition. On the psyche, you know, adversely affects. Personally, I will feel much more confident, being behind the protection in 1,7 times denser than lead. And the cause of radiophobia is always in ignorance of the subject. Dear astepanov is trying to give us (readers) such knowledge, for which he is reproached for throwing beads ...
  3. 0
    April 2 2019 08: 44
    When firing a tank and damaging uranium elements inside the machine, it can concentrate microscopic radioactive dust, inhalation of which adversely affects health.


    so against whom the tank is against the enemy or ...своих soldier? fool
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 08: 48
      Well, according to their logic. tanks with such armor were not exported and will not be delivered.
    2. 0
      April 2 2019 08: 53
      Really. Judging by the article, it’s not a tank but a shahidmobile. Enemies are not good, but the crew is slow kirdyk.
      1. Fat
        +6
        April 2 2019 12: 37
        Quote: Welldone
        Really. Judging by the article, it’s not a tank but a shahidmobile. Enemies are not good, but the crew is slow kirdyk.

        Before the dose of ionizing radiation becomes dangerous, the crew member will die of his own death several times. Sort of: "Cucumbers - the most dangerous, deadly, slow poison. 99,9% of the participants in the Battle of Borodino eating cucumbers have already died"
    3. 0
      April 3 2019 16: 59
      Quote: Olgovich
      so against whom the tank is against the enemy or ... its soldiers

      Quote: Olgovich
      can concentrate

      Maybe yes or maybe no. The war is generally dangerous to health. Well, you can calculate the percentage of wrecked tanks and, accordingly, the percentage of PROBABILITY of personnel exposure. And then calculate the percentage of the probability of death in a car accident with 30 thousand deaths per year
  4. -4
    April 2 2019 08: 47
    More Americans would be sitting in their tanks. And although African-Americans, they still have a lot. It is not yet known from what the Almaty are riveting. winked
  5. -1
    April 2 2019 08: 52
    Although depleted uranium is less radioactive than ordinary uranium and its radiation is blocked by the lining, it, like any other heavy metal, is a danger to human health.

    ... love mericatos when phonite laughing they die like flies after the war in Iraq and all the same there! bully
    1. +4
      April 2 2019 08: 57
      Seryoga, hello! hi
      They started vigorously, but then the research was suddenly curtailed. There was an opinion that doctors were simply not allowed to finalize, so that the real state of things with the effect on health does not become a reason for refusing to use the technology

      Someone makes good money on this armor, with Pilyulkin there and shut up their mouths. Well, what
      Quote: aszzz888
      dying like flies after the Iraq war

      - garbage, production costs. Yes
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 09: 00
        Hello Pasha! hi
        - garbage, production costs.
        ... let these "costs" continue, I care about their health VERY little! wink
        1. +4
          April 2 2019 09: 09
          Quote: aszzz888
          I am very concerned about their health!

          So the same garbage! drinks
  6. +6
    April 2 2019 08: 55
    Something went a series of articles about Abrams. Either poisonous armor, then the KMP has old versions of this tank, with another 105 mm cannon. Then there these tanks will be upgraded to the latest version.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 09: 03
      Well, in fact, this is so) in case of contact with these places, the armor will dust anyway. someone will inhale it. and if someone officially misses that it does harm, then hundreds of ships will start for a lot of money. therefore, they will prove by all means that this is not harmful. and the ILC always cries that money is needed, but everything is old))) it is rather a joke)
      1. +1
        April 2 2019 09: 41
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        someone will miss that it does harm, then hundreds of ships will start for a lot of money.

        I wonder if the participation of American soldiers in wars is harmful? It seems to me that yes, there are probably a lot of harmful things in the war, it’s unlikely, for example, to catch a bullet or a fragment can be called very useful. Are there any precedents when an American court found the American military to be injured and injured from participating in wars with huge sums of money?
        1. -1
          April 2 2019 09: 45
          I do not know the jurisprudence in such cases, but I have no doubt that it exists and is extensive) and again, I did not say a word about the database)
          1. -1
            April 2 2019 09: 46
            Well then it turns out that they are not used to it. let them pay
        2. +9
          April 2 2019 10: 16
          All contractors. The contract stipulates (and insures): death, injuries, and illnesses.
          And the treatment of these diseases.
          And the responsibilities of the soldier are negotiated, and the Pentagon's responsibilities in all monetary matters.
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 10: 18
            They showed a program about cancer for tankers after Iraq, I think you won’t be glad with any money ... The Germans even abandoned tank shells from depleted uranium, only tungsten-nickel, in order to ensure the health of their citizens.
            1. +9
              April 2 2019 11: 33
              Cancer was received not from tank shells, but from small-caliber shells with depleted uranium, which Bradley and attack helicopters fired. Hundreds of thousands shot them - and in vain.
              You could do without uranium.
              (I would really forbid them)
              The Abrams fired OBPS with uranium a bit, and in the case.
              1. -1
                April 2 2019 11: 45
                even according to state data, 14000 uranium tank shells were used. neither of which is a little to the point)))
                1. +5
                  April 2 2019 11: 52
                  Several hundred Abrams tanks fought.
                  If everyone fired a hundred shells in the first two to three weeks of tank battles? It is not enough.
                  For comparison: in the war of Doomsday, there were Centurion tanks, firing two or three sets of shells per day in the Golan.
                  1. +1
                    April 2 2019 11: 59
                    Considering that the main losses of the Iraqi armored vehicles were from the fire of the Tou mounted on the Bradley BMP, the 14 Abrams BPS, to put it mildly, are not clear where they were flying (maybe the population was just genocidal by firing this rubbish around, as was done in Serbia, only there from the air now in Serbia most babies born with thyroid problems)
                  2. 0
                    April 2 2019 12: 01
                    for 123 cars this is still not a little) this is 300 tons of uranium)
                2. +1
                  April 3 2019 20: 03
                  these are postscripts, or they are so crooked that they needed about a hundred shells. to knock out one Iraqi t-72. or maybe the t-72 is so durable and cool? think three versions yourself.
          2. 0
            April 2 2019 11: 24
            Quote: voyaka uh
            All contractors. The contract stipulates (and insures): death, injuries, and illnesses.
            And the treatment of these diseases.
            And the responsibilities of the soldier are negotiated, and the Pentagon's responsibilities in all monetary matters.

            -----------------------
            Provided that the soldier followed the instructions and he was wearing the appropriate equipment. If something was missing, then the amount of insurance may be less or not at all.
            1. -1
              April 2 2019 11: 42
              here it’s not even that. until some doctors prove the harmfulness of such armor, they won’t tell anyone about the risks. be urgent though contractual. need instruction and on what basis?
            2. +1
              April 2 2019 19: 01
              Quote: Altona
              Provided that the soldier followed the instructions


              In the movie "Born on July 4th," the protagonist is wounded at the moment when he stands up to his full height ten meters from the Viet Cong machine gun in order to mow the "gooks" with bursts from the stomach. Then they show how he is offered a job in a store, but he refuses, they say, the government pays me 1700 a month (how much by today's money? Six thousand will probably be). Well, then at the end he lives on this allowance in a resort in Mexico, every night drinking in a restaurant, playing in a casino and filming a prostitute. The film was specially shot to show the heartlessness of the cruel state machine in relation to the "tortured narzan" veterans of Vietnam.
              1. 0
                April 3 2019 20: 57
                They shot some banter movie ...
              2. 0
                April 3 2019 23: 46
                About Vietnam - after the war for several decades, almost 60 Vietnamese veterans committed suicide (I remember the phrase of the wizard from the book about seven lakes - "I don't know if it's good or bad") I mean that you can see your life with 000 bucks of pension it may not be a joy
                1. 0
                  April 4 2019 18: 31
                  Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
                  you see life with 6000 bucks of pension is not a joy to you


                  Our body is so despicable, when too good is also not good. This sounds paradoxical: any person is terribly fond of messing around, and in his activities he strives unconsciously or consciously to achieve a state of provided idleness. Here is the trap. For some reason, our psyche is damaged by idleness. Perhaps you felt it yourself if you were on a sea vacation for too long, three weeks like that. Here I felt. By the end of the second week on "all inclusive" you begin to appear some kind of incomprehensible irritation. The sea, palm trees, a wonderful grub from the belly, female company, a fairy tale, not life, but you feel something is wrong, and you don't understand what. Something gnaws from the inside, some kind of stupid concern. And after three weeks you fly away from there with joy. "Zadolbalo", you think. Although three weeks at work are much more monotonous, but they do not give up. That's strange. And the life of American soldiers in Vietnam, judging by the films, if we remove from them the far-fetched unrealistic battle scenes invented by the directors for the sake of a special effect and a beautiful denouement, does not differ much from an "all-inclusive" vacation. Well, except that the sea is not near. Relaxed chatter on wicker chairs, where soldiers enrich each other with completely communist thoughts, plus for some reason the commanders do not restrict their access to alcohol and marijuana. And this is for a healthy, energized 20-year-old uncle. And three weeks is difficult to endure, but here it is a whole year. Put you or me in an all-inclusive hotel for a whole year, it's not a fact that we wouldn't hang ourselves. After returning from Vietnam, those who receive an injury allowance are not motivated to interrupt their idle lifestyle, and those who do not have an allowance are prevented from doing so by alcohol addiction. In the same film Born on the 4th of July, as soon as the main character stops playing the fool, starts writing a book, everything changes for the better, and in the last frame he is already in a suit and tie giving an interview to television, beaming with a smile. This is just one example, but there are many to find.
          3. 0
            April 2 2019 11: 38
            and talk about what? do you really think that someone is talking about this? about the ability to breathe dust with heavy metal in the composition? you knowing about this you will get into the car?))) the fact is that all studies on this topic are being closed) although in truth it would be like that in any country in the world.
            1. +10
              April 2 2019 11: 43
              "Knowing about this, will you climb into the car?))" ////
              ------
              Question to question (I'm Jewish, after all? laughing )
              And knowing that the tank has weak ordinary armor - will you climb?
              The answer to both of our questions is yes.
              Tankers are serving people, they will order - they will climb ... sad
              1. -2
                April 2 2019 11: 50
                you don’t confuse the risks of dying in battle and die from illness) pour mercury into the fighting compartment and do not tell the crew about its presence there. about the same approach. The lawsuits all in the states rejected with the wording that the effect was not proven. but how to prove it if the studies do not pass?))) and since they are not there, the crews will not instruct the command on such risks. and for obvious reason. there are so many risks.
                1. +6
                  April 2 2019 11: 57
                  Read my post earlier: uranium armor is dangerous only when the package is depressurized.
                  As long as the projectile’s shell did not slam into the tank’s forehead, it is absolutely safe. Then the tankers, being OUTSIDE, can swallow dust. Read all comments.
                  1. -2
                    April 2 2019 12: 02
                    I understood that very well. ) but when entering the X-ray room, what is the first inscription you see?)))
              2. 0
                April 3 2019 23: 50
                If there is a choice to climb into the Black Panther with KAZ, or into Abrams with cardboard sides, but with a uranium forehead, I'd rather prefer a Korean (I saw pictures from Iraq, how the wounded Abrams were standing and people next to them in anti-radiation suits, no, well, you see)
        3. -2
          April 2 2019 10: 25
          Quote: pru-pavel
          Are there any precedents when an American court found the American military to be injured and injured from participating in wars with huge sums of money?

          In the states, it all depends on having a good lawyer, and they cost a lot of money. Ordinary soldiers, in order to sue the state, have no commonplace financial means. In general, with the availability of funds, in America you can win any business.
          1. +1
            April 2 2019 14: 12
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: pru-pavel
            Are there any precedents when an American court found the American military to be injured and injured from participating in wars with huge sums of money?

            In the states, it all depends on having a good lawyer, and they cost a lot of money. Ordinary soldiers, in order to sue the state, have no commonplace financial means. In general, with the availability of funds, in America you can win any business.

            If the business is winning in advance and promises big gains from compensation, lawyers work on interest. And a good lawyer will also make the name of a specialist on this issue in legal circles.
            1. -2
              April 2 2019 18: 24
              Quote: Krasnodar
              If the business is winning in advance and promises big gains from compensation

              The keyword "if". In the American army, a bunch of crazy rules, referring to which, you can kick out a disabled person from injury, in figs without content. For example, the obligatory presence of a banal flashlight in the outfit. If during the hostilities at the time of the injury he was not with you, then the person has violated the rules and safety measures, respectively, compensation is not allowed. Or do you think that military lawyers there are stupider than cunning lawyers?
              1. +2
                April 2 2019 18: 35
                Yeah. Cancer of the lungs or esophagus occurred due to ......., which the contract service soldiers did not warn about and did not conducted a safety briefing while in Abrams The disease led to .........., which, in turn, affected the disability, ........... Damage to my client is estimated at ......... .....
                Court decision - divide your request into two, get your lam (two-three, half) tanks, plus payment by the army of innovative chemo-immunotherapy.
                Now, if it is proved that the soldier was warned about the threat, instructed about the safety rules and did not follow the instructions, then yes, there is nothing to catch.
    2. -1
      April 2 2019 09: 03
      Stopudovo. They have not been produced for a long time. Only upgrade. For example, in order to repair an engine, it is transported across the Atlantic to the states for the only living enterprise that has not forgotten how to do it.
      1. -2
        April 2 2019 09: 47
        Yes, even when the car is removed from storage for sale, the armor is removed.
  7. +17
    April 2 2019 09: 01
    It is better to breathe in a bit of radiation and survive than to burn out in a "healthy" tank while breaking through regular armor.
    1. KCA
      -1
      April 2 2019 09: 16
      Survive, only for a long time? Uranium 238 is a source of alpha particles, remember about polonium and Litvinenko? Contact with uranium microparticles on the skin or clothing will not do any harm, but getting into the respiratory tract or digestive system will forever end in the least cancer, with a half-life of 4 billion years, even micrograms of U-238 will remain in a person until they are natural or caused by death, and will burn everything around him
      1. +10
        April 2 2019 09: 45
        Quote: KCA
        but getting into the respiratory tract or digestive system is forever and ends with at least cancer, with a half-life of 4 billion years

        you really won’t wish the enemy, and that’s how you will after this 4 billion years suffer from cancer and you will ask to be shot.
        1. KCA
          0
          April 2 2019 12: 14
          Well, I didn’t write about the survival of 4 billion years, but that he would not have lived as long as he breathed in uranium particles, he would always burn inside, I thought it was clear without any additions
      2. +3
        April 2 2019 11: 45
        Quote: KCA
        Uranium 238 is a source of alpha particles, remember about polonium and Litvinenko? Contact with uranium microparticles on the skin or clothing will not do any harm, but getting into the respiratory tract or digestive system will forever end in the least cancer, with a half-life of 4 billion years, even micrograms of U-238 will remain in a person until they are natural or caused by death, and will burn everything around him

        then in our country (in the Samara region), as if the Americans shot uranium with uranium ... people were dying from cancer like flies ... or did their "Kremlin state departments" try?
        1. KCA
          0
          April 2 2019 12: 02
          There are several acquaintances from Samara, they are cheerful, cheerful, they don’t get sick, I have up to 2 km of IBR, in general there are emitting installations and objects like dirt in Dubna, even there is a small sump with glands with induced radiation, I didn’t hear about the catastrophic the growth of cancer patients, yes, I had two friends who died of cancer, but they were experimental physicists, they didn’t need any taste for excitement, one just got into the pulsed neutron beam from the same IBR-3, in violation of all TB rules , in general, after such an emergency they wanted to write off the fuck, they left it, the deserved one was, but the deplorable one, however, was to blame, in Kuibyshev there was also a lot from the military atom, but now it’s not 2, it’s more known about the effect of radiation on humans, protective the measures are also more serious, to remove the illuminated object from the JINR territory, not even an isotope, but with induced radiation, the alarm will yell so that the city floor wakes up, all JINR staff who handle isotopes and radiation emitters carry film cassettes, p they regularly take it if the film is illuminated - rest, go on vacation or a sanatorium, if the reprimand is not blinded, according to the results of the check
    2. +3
      April 2 2019 09: 17
      It is better to breathe in a bit of radiation and survive than to burn out in a "healthy" tank while breaking through regular armor.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is better to breathe in a bit of radiation and survive than to burn out in a "healthy" tank while breaking through regular armor.

      not all tanks quickly fall into battle and immediately get knocked out, they serve them for years, they are stored, etc. I think that it would be nice to appoint you as the senior repository for many years, or you would like to serve it for 10 years without military ones (your wife might not like it) ....
      1. +5
        April 2 2019 09: 22
        While the uranium sandwiches are airtight, they are safe. Danger arises during hostilities. When an enemy shell or missile hits a tank. The armor will repulse the blow, but the tightness will be broken, and dust with radiation will come out. But the battle continues, the tankers have to leave the tank, serve it - there is a danger.
        1. -1
          April 2 2019 10: 12
          They work in gas masks - they don’t care.
        2. KCA
          0
          April 2 2019 10: 19
          It is likely that maintaining high pressure in a tank, like in the USSR and the Russian Federation, I don’t know how in the USA with anti-nuclear protection, reduces the risk of swallowing dust, but does not completely exclude it
        3. 0
          April 2 2019 10: 20
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Danger arises during hostilities

          So I didn’t understand, they make tanks for out-of-town walks and picnics? lol
    3. -2
      April 2 2019 09: 48
      Well, a soldier doesn’t always fight. sometimes they just study on these machines. with them how?
    4. +1
      April 2 2019 09: 58
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is better to breathe in a bit of radiation and survive than to burn out in a "healthy" tank while breaking through regular armor.

      Your statement would be true if uranium armor were really a panacea for breaking through. In fact, this is a dubious compromise. And the armor does not save, and harm health.
      1. +6
        April 2 2019 10: 19
        "if uranium armor were really a panacea for breaking through" ////
        ----
        There is no panacea for breaking through. There is "the best of today". Today, uranium is one of the best among tank armoring methods.
        1. KCA
          -1
          April 2 2019 12: 10
          With the constant development of composites and generally the technology for the production of protective agents, I’m not at all sure that armor with uranium is the best solution, most likely cheaper, and maybe someone has accumulated too much natural uranium ore, and, in accordance with American law, intensively lobbying for its use, there are ambush pits, the Soviet and Russian Sredmash and Rosatom are not far behind in the field of uranium processing and processing, however, Rosatom received an order to develop OBPS with uranium scrap only recently, I have not heard about the armor
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 19: 13
            I heard about ten years ago that we have depleted uranium shells in our warehouses, maybe a new development?
          2. +4
            April 3 2019 11: 01
            Quote: KCA
            Rosatom is not at all lagging behind in the field of uranium processing and processing, however, Rosatom received an order to develop OBPS with uranium scrap only recently, I have not heard about armor


            Recently?
            Nomenclature of domestic BPS from depleted uranium:
            Nadfil-2 3BM30 - Uranium Alloy (1982)
            "Vant" 3BM32 - monolithic body of uranium alloy (1985)
            "Mango" 3БМ42 - two elongated tungsten alloy cores in a steel body shirt (1986);
            “Lead” 3BM48 - monolithic body made of uranium alloy (1991);
            "Pattern" 3BM44 M? - advanced alloy (details unknown) (1997);
            "Lead-2" - judging by the index, a modified shell with a uranium core (details unknown).
            Of the modern ones, OKR Vacuum-1/2 for Almaty was conducted.
        2. -2
          April 4 2019 00: 03
          Once again, play WOT, you will understand that the most armored tank is far from always the best - both speed (maneuver) and firepower and accuracy at a distance are important, and even such seemingly (after playing one-on-one combat simulation, you will understand) insignificant parameters as the speed of the turret rotation (and after all, in WWII there were precedents when the t-34-85 twisted the tiger (his turret rotates very slowly in his life, in the game they even added a little speed to it for balance) by the way in the film Rage Sherman does the same by twisting a slower (but it is more armored and seemingly "strong") Tiger. I mean that a tank with a low silhouette and high mobility may not get hit at all, and this will be more important than its huge dimensions (which are easier to hit) with thick armor. The maneuver is the same protection, by the way, the built-in DZ Malachite on the T-14 provides the equivalent of the armor of the sides of 600mm against the KS (is it not more effective than 100mm of the "bare" sides of Abrams, which actually has no prot and shell armor)
          1. 0
            April 4 2019 06: 49
            ". Maneuver - the same protection" ////
            ----
            This theory has not been confirmed in tank-versus-tank battles in the Middle East.
            In the first place was the distance of the shot plus its accuracy.
            On the second - the best frontal armor.
            1. 0
              April 4 2019 07: 07
              Well, so Merkava is therefore yours and is considered the best for your theater of operations (open spaces, with distant duels), and for our area they make tanks of small height (in order to hide in the folds of the area leaving out of the fire) and a small weight - you know the chernozem softened after rain whether it puts good heavy vehicles right on the belly (the weight of our tanks is limited to 48 tons is experience), in addition, in Russia, according to the Ministry of Natural Resources and Ecology, there are 2 rivers and streams with a total length of 562 km. Therefore, our tanks all have ATVT for overcoming five-meter fords. In general, the priority is of course security (not armor, but protection — say the T-489 with KAZ Arena will be more protected from RPGs than thick Abrash without KAZ) further firepower- here in our old tanks it’s worse (The T-8 came because the old BPSs more than 373mm couldn’t take it anyway) Mobility - Well, for Israel, which is only 606 times the size of the city of Moscow, mobility may not be particularly necessary on the laughing and for our country, the T-80u with a gas turbine accelerating to real 80 km per hour on the highway is in great demand (I still remember the surprise of the carrier, which was overtaken by a column of tanks wink ) Octopus, if they release it, it’s also a good thing (it swims up to 3 points, when afloat 2 points it fires) put the KAZ Arena on it and say for enclaves of the Crimea and Kaliningrad it will be a good gain (most importantly highly mobile)
              1. +1
                April 4 2019 07: 28
                The experience of World War II (battles in the territory of the USSR)
                also does not confirm your thesis on the priority of maneuverability.
                Tank Tiger confidently hit from a place and from a great distance
                maneuvering T-34.
                I only consider tank-vs-tank fights, not tanks
                with the support of the infantry.
                Germany (the same foggy climate and closed terrain as in Russia)
                abandoned the high-speed Leopard-1 in favor of the heavy Leopard-2.
              2. +1
                April 5 2019 23: 58
                Nikolai how old are you?
    5. +4
      April 2 2019 10: 04
      Alexey, I support, it is better to survive and then die after some time, because a person will have time to say goodbye to loved ones. Finish what I did not finish.
      1. KCA
        +1
        April 2 2019 12: 20
        Patients with cancer will not all agree with you, my friend’s father, after finishing up and all the Wishlist, opened up, I don’t know what’s better, and everything, or about 5 years on dope and in a constant mess, dope, which is surprisingly worth less than 10 rubles per an ampoule (morphine, etc.), but they sell some bourgeois, several thousand per ampoule, where do ordinary opioids go? Moreover, the drug control in the pharmacy mom do not worry
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 12: 28
          What about relatives? Is that all? Cancer is a terrible disease, but a person has a chance, and even a respirator to put on a simple petal. And how long does the tank live in modern maneuverable combat?
          1. KCA
            -2
            April 2 2019 12: 32
            At the expense of the respirator, I agree, it will immediately reduce the chance of swallowing uranium to almost zero, but who in the battle will pull a respirator in the face? Yes, even with 100% BOV use, hell whoever wears a gas mask is uncomfortable in it and the glasses are sweating, and so we are right now ...
          2. -1
            April 4 2019 07: 12
            Oo I "swam" in clouds of dust, but I did not wear a respirator - it is impossible to do quick work in it, you start suffocating simply from a lack of oxygen then (try to do something in a gas mask, for example, in 10 minutes you will spit and take off if there is no real visible danger )
    6. 0
      April 2 2019 20: 49
      Better breathe a bit of radiation and survive

      And what the hell is such a life when bald as a knee and a household at half past five. "Sensitive" is usually not enough. It is not forbidden to drink Aesculapius well.
  8. 0
    April 2 2019 09: 02
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    So harmful to tankers and the environment

    And where does Greenpeace look ... ....
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 10: 17
      Greenpeace is a subsidiary of the CIA, and when necessary, it will always look the other way.
    2. -2
      April 2 2019 20: 51
      To a Swiss bank account.
  9. +2
    April 2 2019 09: 03
    This is what hopelessness you need to go to the American tankers?
    Or they are told that there is bad, harmful uranium, and they have good, depleted uranium and it is not harmful at all, but very useful.))
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 09: 14
      It was about DDT in the 50-60s that weaved the same thing. And after all, they believed until they had gathered a lie of critical mass.
      1. KCA
        -1
        April 2 2019 12: 36
        Used DDT, if you search, it’s still possible in the garden the soap with DDT for fleas in dogs has been preserved, the dog whom they washed, picked up somewhere in the woods, lived 15 years, for Z-S husky is pretty good, I don’t I suffer from nothing, not a mutant, not a zombie, why is DDT so hellish? Yes, relatives have no genetic abnormalities, and there are many
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 14: 18
          Either the dogs or people about the Pistecids also tell me? GMOs from the same series and the dispute of tobacco-el cigarettes too.
          1. KCA
            -2
            April 2 2019 14: 26
            Study the question of how much GMO products differ from conventional breeding, the times before Michurin passed when 200 years old carrots were grown not of violet color, but of the usual orange, now to get the right quality, mutations, seeds and trees are poisoned with chemistry, gamma rays, etc. stray, isn’t it GMO? ANY influence on the gene will generate GMOs, gamma radiation, with the help of which mutations are caused, or, just a bunch of manure, which is not usual for a plant in this area, in 500 kilograms per sample, not GMOs?
            1. KCA
              -1
              April 2 2019 15: 11
              I’m surprised with such people, I see GMOs, or else, silently put a minus, it’s clear that the bots have bred, but tell me the difference between the genetically modified wheat grain obtained by the gene modification and the genetically modified wheat grain, which was obtained during 20 years irradiated with a gamma radiation source? Do you know that carrots were purple? Doesn’t it bother you that it turned orange? Do you think that without modification (mutation) everything worked out here?
        2. 0
          April 3 2019 09: 38
          The result of DDT affects generations.
    2. +4
      April 2 2019 09: 17
      They just have depleted uranium enriched with democracy.
  10. +2
    April 2 2019 09: 11
    But the armor is excellent
    1. -1
      April 2 2019 10: 13
      Depleted uranium - for armor comes in an alloy with tian.
  11. +5
    April 2 2019 09: 19
    Something the paints are thickened, or the Americans have not yet learned how to clean U238 to acceptable values, if they have "fonite". Another thing is that uranium, like any heavy metal, is toxic. But bullets are also made from lead and no one has been particularly excited about this yet. bully
    Although green hunters are periodically forced to use bullets and shot with a shell that "protects nature from heavy metals" laughing

    PS: There is really another problem. Has anyone studied the behavior of such armor in a nuclear explosion? After all, secondary thermal neutrons are quite enough to "fry" your own crew, especially if the tank gets closer than 1.5 km from the epicenter. And accordingly, any such tank becomes completely lost, because the induced radiation will be noticeable and very inconvenient (gamma and neutrons).
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 09: 41
      On the contrary, a layer of depleted uranium in a titanium shell is the most effective protection of the crew from neutrons bombarding a tank (when we had a leaded overhead layer molded onto tanks, no one thought about "guidance" - the main thing is not to let neutrons through to the crew, a specific example of nuclear tests is tactical a 1kt nuclear warhead (an explosion on the surface of the earth, imitating a nuclear artillery shell) destroys tanks around itself within a radius of 300 meters (it will simply destroy), and within a radius of 700 meters, despite external damage, the tank will survive and may even continue hostilities and the explosion of a neutron tactical ammunition the same power (1kt) - within a radius of 700 meters inside the tanks due to the neutron flux, the crew will receive lethal doses of radiation (obviously, the animals in the tank were "tested" as was customary at that time)
      1. -2
        April 2 2019 10: 16
        Boron is added to the battlefield for protection against fast neutrons. Neutron shells have already been abandoned as an ineffective weapon.
      2. +2
        April 2 2019 10: 18
        Please note that God didn’t do the tearing and God forbid, only initially from lead and then from borated polyethylene. After irradiation with fast neutrons, U238 itself becomes the strongest source of neutron radiation. Here with the gamut, everything is fine with him, it extinguishes perfectly. Something doesn't fit.
    2. -3
      April 2 2019 10: 39
      ... and if you drop a bomb on the tank itself, then uranium-238 will explode under the ceiling of fast neutrons. This will be fun, a few tons of fissile material !!
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 53
        depleted uranium (this is exactly what is used) will not detonate in any way (it’s just adding everything to the radioactive contamination area), for example, by striking a nuclear bomb at an enemy nuclear power plant, we could cause the detonation of tens of tons of uranium in reactors (nuclear weapons don’t work like that - you need a heavy-duty sphere to reflect neutrons over the entire nuclear power plant then- and so just pieces of radioactive materials scatter around)
        1. -2
          April 2 2019 15: 07
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
          depleted uranium (such is used) will in no way detonate

          In the detonation zone?
        2. -2
          April 2 2019 21: 34
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
          depleted uranium (such is used) will in no way detonate

          Under the influence of neutrons of certain energies, it turns into plutonium-239. Know what happens next? If not, read about the three-stage bombs. "Kuzkina's mother" for example, only there was no third stage.
          No, I’m certainly not a real nuclear physicist .. And I can’t predict in any way how the process of assisting a bomb with a tank will go. This is so, just a wild revelry.
          1. +5
            April 3 2019 14: 00
            You mean the Ulam-Teller scheme, where uranium 238 is used as a tempera, transmutes into plutonium 239 under the influence of X-rays, this scheme gives a power increase of five or more times, but do not confuse it with Sakharov's "puff".
            1. -1
              April 3 2019 14: 51
              So and I do not confuse. Kuz'ka's mother was not at all puffy. Although its exact structure is still classified. But most likely it is close in design to the Teller-Ulam nut.
              1. +4
                April 3 2019 15: 14
                Not a nut but a cylinder, Sakharov had a nut.
          2. 0
            April 3 2019 14: 16
            depleted uranium (the one in the armor and in the BOPS), unlike natural one, doesn’t turn into anything like this, in fact, slag that was previously not known where to throw it out (now they have found use)
            1. +3
              April 4 2019 12: 34
              Depleted uranium is natural uranium, but only at least a half-reduced proportion of uranium 235, which is why it is called depleted ego.
  12. +2
    April 2 2019 09: 27
    And what do they think, American tankers, that war is a fun walk with a sniff of flowers?
    And I probably will surprise you, but the Americans really think so without meeting with a real enemy since the Vietnam War. For them think recruiters in the army and Hollywood, who promise the golden mountains and the superiority of the United States around the world. Suffice it to say that you are an American and the enemy will surrender.
  13. 0
    April 2 2019 09: 31
    I'm afraid the author slightly exaggerated the capabilities of the armor - I have slightly different data - 940 mm against BPS (the author writes about 960 mm) and 1350 against the cumulative jet (the author took as much as 1600 mm from somewhere from the ceiling, as if there was dynamic protection in addition to armor, it’s IMPOSSIBLE physically without DZ, simply due to the combination, to increase security against CS so much as compared to breaking through the same armor with a subcaliber)
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 09: 52
      without "sources" you have the same "reliable" data :))
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 00
        At exactly wink (in general, armor is a relative thing, I remember during the tests of the Is-7, which, in theory, theoretically could not be pierced from the cannon, which was fired upon, it got hit right into the joint of the "pike nose" and the armor sheets parted)
    2. 0
      April 2 2019 10: 19
      Given that there is a frontal dimension of more than 700 mm - with combined scolding, the indicators are quite real.
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 36
        1600mm equivalent vs cop? Sorry, I doubt very much
    3. +4
      April 3 2019 15: 10
      You can achieve high resistance to armor protection without DZ, the site http://btvt.narod.ru/ has articles on the use of high-density and high-strength metals based on tungsten and lead with tantalum and molybdenum, as well as uranium oxide, it is difficult and very expensive, and the main thing is almost one-time, and the tank is a large-scale serial production, that is, you can leave the country without panties.
  14. -1
    April 2 2019 09: 49
    Well, finally the Maracans scratched themselves and made decent armor. And then lay 35 thousand cornets in warehouses idle. The situation with ZiS-2 is repeated.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 10: 25
      They are against the latest modification of Abrams, they will be useless, as Trophy will stand there, and our tankers have a problem, the most advanced OBPS, in the arsenal of the Russian army, penetrates only 700 millimeters of armor, it turns out that our entire arsenal of ATGM, RPG and tank ammunition Abrams is in the forehead they won’t take it.
      1. -1
        April 2 2019 10: 39
        The cornet has the ability to fire a doublet one missile immediately after the second (while the KAZ is in a millisecond "rollback") about the bPS - that's right, that's why the T-14 with a 152 mm gun is needed as an edge (the projectile, according to the developers, pierces exactly one meter of armor)
        1. +4
          April 3 2019 14: 14
          As you say, with a doublet, it’s even worse, for example, you shoot two missiles in my tank with a doublet, my KAZ knocks down the first, you know what it is, it is a powerful firework from fire and fragments of a detonated rocket, and the second rocket coming after it flies into this chaos of fire and metal , and given that all missiles are very tender creatures, this is not BLPS, that is, there is a very high probability that the second will not hit the target, I watched videos from YouTube, where missiles are famously fired by a doublet on a stationary target, and then nobody in the world relays like Moget, and this is a shame for the Russian military-industrial complex, which is not able to make a Spike-type rocket, and come up with various shows, we can immediately shoot four missiles on the tank, because it’s not a pity, Russia’s generous soul.
          1. -1
            April 3 2019 14: 18
            RPG30 (Hook) with a tandem shot works just like that (it means they tested and proved that the second grenade is not destroyed)
            1. +3
              April 3 2019 14: 27
              Read again carefully what I wrote, the RPG-30 has a mini-missile bait to which KAZ must react, and this mini-missile does not have an explosive, its task is to fire on itself and give the RG a chance to hit the target, I’ll tell you in secret, right away KAZ Trophy does not work, I’ll say without details, the computer algorithm with radar selection, and it can be leveled. As for the mini-missile with EMI, it doesn’t work with the tank at all, the tank is the most shielded object of land weapons, it is surpassed only by a submarine at a depth more than 10 meters of water, I hope no need to explain.
              1. -2
                April 3 2019 14: 43
                Do you play tanks in Israel? So if you don’t play, then I say, do not care for all grenade launchers and other ATGMs, do you know what will stop the advance of the Merkav regiment equipped with Trophy? The fire of the RZSO SMERCH division will simply blow apart all the antennas, sights and other attachments with fragments, cumulative submunitions from cluster missiles (160mm armor penetration) will penetrate the tank roof, artillery (including reactive, this is what will stop the tanks and no KAZ even Armata will help with a massive impact) firing range of 120 km, cartridges besides cumulative submunitions spread anti-tank mines, in general, the terrain where the tanks are going will turn into Armageddon, several vehicles can and will be selected from the regiment (40 hectares (60 hectares if anti-personnel bombs), one installation covers the area, count three-battery division)
                1. +3
                  April 3 2019 14: 56
                  You are a fan of computer games, that is, tactics and strategy do not mean anything to you, if everything was so simple, then you just have to have a vigorous weapon, to hit a nuclear shell for any rust in the bushes, so that the bacteria break up at the molecular level, brave You are the author new strategy, you can safely dismiss all generals and admirals in all countries, and leave only warrant officers.
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2019 15: 06
                    No, it's just that your "wunderwaffle" in the form of the Merkava has not yet got into battle against a serious army (for example, the American one) and about games, you shouldn't be ironic, you know how they appeared? The Americans for their special forces came up with the old Counter so that they could train, and now there are many wonderful modern games that train something that cannot be done in real life - tactics, for example, cleaning the sentries near guarded objects (stealth games where it is important not to raise the alarm to complete the mission, they were at one time instructions for American specialists, Splinter Sell, for example, is a good game that makes you think how best to get into the building, bypassing the guards (or trying to silently kill the sentries, of your choice)
                    1. +3
                      April 3 2019 15: 19
                      Well, so did your tanks, the T-90 and the whole family did not meet with a worthy opponent, and most importantly I want to understand what worthy means, is that what a knightly tournament of aristocrats?
                      1. -1
                        April 3 2019 15: 33
                        T-90 is an ordinary mass tank (like the T-34 during the war), the ratio of price multiplied by quality and nothing more, it is certainly not a "wunderwolf" either
                      2. +3
                        April 3 2019 15: 36
                        Normal, mass, where did you see it in Russia, and how many of them are in the Russian Armed Forces?
                      3. 0
                        April 3 2019 15: 41
                        Modern operators

                        Azerbaijan - 100 T-90S units, as of 2018. There is also an option to supply another 100 T-90S units. At the request of the Azerbaijani side, the systems of optoelectronic suppression "Shtora-1" were installed on the tanks.
                        Algeria - 400 T-90CA units, as of 2018
                        Armenia - 1 unit of T-90S, as of 2016.
                        Vietnam - 64 units of the T-90S / SK, as of 2018.
                        India India - more than 1025 T-90S units, as of 2018
                        Iraq - 39 T-90S / SK tanks (73 tanks planned to be delivered in total), as of June 2018.
                        Russia - 350 T-90 and T-90A units in combat units (and about 200 more T-90 units are in storage), as of 2018.
                        Syria - are in service as of 2018
                        Turkmenistan - 4 units of the T-90S, as of 2018. There is also an option to supply another 30 units of T-90S
                        Uganda - 44 T-90S units, as of 2018

                        Possible operators
                        Egypt - it is planned to supply 400 T-90S.
                        Kuwait - it is planned to supply 146 T-90MS tanks. The most successfully sold tank of recent years.
                      4. +4
                        April 3 2019 15: 46
                        The largest fleet of T-90 tanks is in India, but not in Russia. And the Indians chose it not only and how much it is the best in the world, but everything is simple and cynical, they have a factory that produced the T-72 tank under license, and it would be worthless to write it off and close it. Regarding the quality, in comparison with which tanks it was compared, reports can be made.
                      5. -2
                        April 3 2019 15: 56
                        the price is $ 3 million apiece, with the price of Abrams Merkava and Leopard 2 a6 at 7 million (Leclerc, K2 Black Panther and the newest Japanese with controlled suspension even more expensive), this is about the price ratio, and for the quality, the built-in DZ, CEPA Curtain in Syria clearly proved the effectiveness against Tou (who, by the way, burned ten Turkish Leopards 2 a4 in a day) Iraq after the assault of Mosul, where the Abrams (they sucked them in after the war) burned from the anti-tank missile system and the Isilov’s also chose the T-90 and are quite satisfied, for their money, a very good tank the first KUV (it is possible to send a tanker at 5 km); secondly, the only tank that has passed all the tests in India (including desert driving); thirdly, when installing the KAZ ARENA E and the gun from the t-14 (which is now being done), it generally becomes on a par with any western tank , while being 2 times cheaper (having, unlike the excess charging, automatic loader)
                      6. -2
                        April 3 2019 15: 59
                        And we have the largest tank fleet in the world in general, we have more tanks than the closest pursuers, the USA and China combined, so why should we produce thousands of T-90s? T-14 won a hundred ordered while enough
                      7. -1
                        April 3 2019 15: 35
                        Let’s say the Germans had ferry-do-it-yourself Ferdinand made during the whole war in the amount of 90 pieces, on the Kursk Bulge, not a single Soviet tank could pierce them in the forehead, and again, returning to artillery, several Ferdinands were lost from hitting long-range guns (which hit just by area)
    2. +1
      April 2 2019 10: 37
      If you believe the numbers (I tend to believe in my 1350mm) from the article, then 1600mm "lobes" Cornets will not pierce (maximum 1400mm for the latest modifications)
  15. 0
    April 2 2019 09: 53
    Also, the toxicity and parameters of radioactive damage from uranium armor significantly increase during a fire. The crew inhales dangerous products, which negatively affects the health of tankers.


    In the United States, military service provides citizenship. So caring for the health of crews in the future at this stage is not important.
  16. +1
    April 2 2019 09: 53
    The most protected tank in the frontal projection of Merkava-4, because somehow it does without uranium ??
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 09: 59
      The situation with the merkava is somewhat different: the emphasis is placed on protecting the crew with any flailing, the protection of the technical part is like everyone else ...
    2. +1
      April 2 2019 10: 13
      The Merkava has a front motor.
    3. 0
      April 2 2019 10: 18
      There is a threaded bolt for every tricky opa. So here if there is armor, it means there is something that will pierce this armor.
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 24
        If you played tanks, then probably even a schoolchild in our country understands that if you can't punch in the forehead, eat it and shoot at the side, so no matter how strong the Abrasha is in front, and you won't make half-meter armor from a side shot, otherwise it there will be an 188 ton Mauss sedentary, which will still be pushed into vulnerable zones.
        1. -1
          April 2 2019 14: 15
          And also, if you don’t take an abrash in your forehead, then? - we are waiting for spring-autumn-a good rain and an abrash drowning down the very tower in mud. All the task is completed, the technique is immobilized, approach and piss into the hatches.
        2. -1
          April 2 2019 20: 50
          The surefire way to immobilize a tank after caterpillar lucky is lucky to smash on the go Schaub board showed
          1. +2
            April 3 2019 18: 51
            Quote: Darcs
            The surefire way to immobilize a tank after caterpillar lucky is lucky to smash on the go Schaub board showed

            First, get close to the shot distance to him. I didn’t hear that dozens of Abrams were shown in Iraq. By the way, there were counter fights and the thermal imager steers in conditions of poor visibility. Now you forget the dashing night raids with removing time
            1. 0
              April 4 2019 07: 05
              And on the go, knock the tracks out of the way if the driver doesn’t have time to slow him down.
  17. +5
    April 2 2019 10: 02
    Why care about the health of death row? Tankers do not survive in a real war. Damage to the tank kills the crew to possible damage from the components of the armor. Therefore, unsafe good armor is better than safe weak armor.
  18. +1
    April 2 2019 10: 12
    They started vigorously, but then the research was suddenly curtailed.
    It's like "Motorola", being in fact the founder of mobile communications, back in the 90s, officially invested a lot of money on research into the negative impact of mobile phone radiation on human health. There were many conversations, but somehow they quickly died down and, as expected, nothing "dangerous" was found. lol
  19. -2
    April 2 2019 11: 05
    Earlier in the US, independent physicians attempted to assess the effect of depleted uranium on tank crews that have been using armored vehicles with urano-ceramic protection for a long time.

    Began to cheerfully, but then the research was unexpectedly folded. There was an opinion that the doctors were simply not allowed to modify it, so that the real state of things with the impact on health would not be the reason for refusing to use the technology. Because the technology is used and developed, despite many of its critics in the United States. And no biomedical research is officially conducted. At least in the public domain about them is not reported.


    Yes, everything is very simple - the Pentagon and manufacturers of armor will be dragged through the courts, and they have given it to the doctors who took up this issue. And the fact that this thing with depleted uranium is harmful is clear to the hedgehog.

    They also wrote about uranium dust that it has the ability to ignite spontaneously.
  20. +4
    April 2 2019 11: 40
    An important aspect is the safety of the crew. Although depleted uranium is less radioactive than regular uranium and its radiation is blocked by lining, he, like any other heavy metal, is a danger to human health.

    Commentators for some reason do not read this part of the article. Strange ...

    When a tank is fired and uranium elements are damaged, microscopic radioactive dust can concentrate inside the car, inhalation of which adversely affects health. Hits, even without breaking through the armor, lead to scatter of dangerous elements near the tank and pollution of the area.

    The dust of tungsten carbide also does not add to health, if you inhale it. Anyway, inhale the metals, such a venture yourself.
    In the case of vol. uranium, it is simply more toxic and radioactive. But while he is in the "package", everything is ok.
    But the alternative is worse, catching BOPS with your body is an even less healthy thought. Yes, and the cumulative stream is also not safe for the health of catching.

    Those. we get protection that is safe in the "package", but is harmful to health if the "package" is broken. The harm is not lethal, unlike BOPS or KS.

    Also, the toxicity and parameters of radioactive damage from uranium armor significantly increase during a fire. The crew inhales dangerous products, which negatively affects the health of tankers.

    In case of fire toxicity and without vol. uranium will suffice (even ordinary carbon monoxide is toxic).
    But the radiation, so be it, but again - not lethal.
  21. +6
    April 2 2019 11: 53
    How many decades have heptyl protons been launched from Baikonur, but the Americans are rascals, they made such a tank dangerous for the crew, ay-ay-ay!
    1. +2
      April 2 2019 19: 12
      Well, the reason is that this movement that with such armor and even with kaz, it just becomes a very big problem for fat generals in the Moscow Region, since there aren’t any weapons capable of breaking through this miracle, but it should have been .... fellow
  22. +5
    April 2 2019 11: 57
    Yes, this is nonsense radioactivity. It’s much worse to accumulate in non-combat loss or turn into scrambled eggs in a less protected tank. In addition, depleted uranium, as stated here, is weakly radioactive. Here, the question is rather different: how profitable is this solution technically and economically
  23. +1
    April 2 2019 12: 18
    Well, in theory, such armor as additional one can probably be hung on a tank only in a zone of active combat operations of high intensity, and under no other conditions
  24. 0
    April 2 2019 12: 20
    It’s somehow violet whether a potential enemy is being irradiated or not! I’m more worried about breathing this rubbish from their burnt tanks to our simple (me, too, draft age has not yet come out and all that) infantrymen if something happens. And as practice has shown. , Abrasha burns just amazing. From hitting the side or under the tower, this super armor saves. A modern tank will only take a complete ignoramus into the forehead.
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 12: 39
      On the sides they put dynamic protection against the tandem cumulative charges and Trophy as a significant addition to the defense.
      1. -1
        April 2 2019 20: 53
        But this does not make it 100% impenetrable
        1. -2
          April 2 2019 22: 53
          It doesn’t, but the likelihood of not breaking it increases many times - unless the air-launched NARs launch a salvo at it.
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      2. -2
        April 3 2019 02: 00
        And what ?, do they burn less from this? At the same time, I note that Abrams has never in his history encountered new Russian ammunition made after the 90s. They are mainly burned by old systems made in the USSR.
  25. +3
    April 2 2019 12: 25
    How are some people afraid of radiation ... but most likely only because there was something to criticize the reservation for, and so it’s American. And if such a reservation was on our tank, then with foam at the mouth they would argue that - no garbage and doses, and not often tanks even break through ....
    Here it is a dual and not an objective approach (((
    1. -2
      April 3 2019 02: 27
      It is not only and not so much a matter of radiation, that uranium itself is a concertogen and poison, especially when it enters the body through the digestive tract and lungs. It is also not worth touching it with bare hands. In case of direct military operations, it will not burn on both sides one tank for sure.
  26. -3
    April 2 2019 12: 34
    It is now clear why the Saudi tankers in Yemen, when they hit the Abrams, drop the tank and run away from it. If a shell gets into the package of the hinged armor of the abrams, inside which depleted uranium, the package is depressurized and tankers have a chance to grab a dose of a very harmful product inside the body. Tanks before the first hit. It’s clear now how to deal with them. You don’t even need to pierce this armor, it is enough to destroy the tightness of the package so that the crew abandons the tank laughing
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 13: 05
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      It is now clear why the Saudi tankers in Yemen, when they hit the Abrams, drop the tank and run away from it. If a shell gets into the package of the hinged armor of the abrams, inside which depleted uranium, the package is depressurized and tankers have a chance to grab a dose of a very harmful product inside the body. Tanks before the first hit

      The Saudis Abramovich without vol. uranium. wink
      1. -3
        April 2 2019 13: 09
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        The Saudis Abramovich without vol. uranium.

        Who will tell you the truth. Until you personally verify that something is somehow naive tongue
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 13: 16
          Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          The Saudis Abramovich without vol. uranium.

          Who will tell you the truth. Until you personally verify that something is somehow naive tongue

          My mistake. Saudi SEP with armor with rev. uranium. Confused with the "SA" version.
          But everything is smooth, they are not throwing because of both. uranium, but because such are the warriors.
          They and Bradley threw so, and there about. there is no uranium.
          1. -4
            April 2 2019 15: 05
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            My mistake. Saudi SEP with armor with rev. uranium. Confused with the "SA" version.
            But everything is smooth, they are not throwing because of both. uranium, but because such are the warriors.
            They and Bradley threw so, and there about. there is no uranium.

            Of course this is your fault. It is necessary to plant you in a tank with uranium armor, fire it, and at the same time check for "heroism". The American military-industrial complex needs "heroes" to advertise its products laughing (or I.D.O.T.T.) And people are neighing. Especially the Arabs, whom you think are dumber than yourself wink

            And if you get out of the tank saving your skin - shoot like a cowardly dog laughing
            1. +2
              April 2 2019 15: 34
              Of course this is your fault. It is necessary to plant you in a tank with uranium armor, fire it, and at the same time check for "heroism".

              For that matter, if you choose which tank to sit in the frontal shelling, then I will choose Abrams, SEP V2, and not for example the same T-72Б3 2016.
              This is not heroism, but quite normal logic.

              The American military-industrial complex needs "heroes" to advertise its products laughing (or etc.) And people will laugh. Especially Arabs who you think are dumber than yourself wink

              Can you quote me where I "thought the Arabs were stupid"?
              For example, the numbers that we use were invented by the Arabs. wink
              I do not think the Arabs are stupid, no, I think that there are no warriors from them. This is proved by not a single conflict where Arabs participated.

              And if you get out of the tank saving your skin - shoot like a cowardly dog ​​laughing

              fool
              1. -7
                April 2 2019 16: 13
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                Can you quote me where I "thought the Arabs were stupid"?
                For example, the numbers that we use were invented by the Arabs.
                I do not think the Arabs are stupid, no, I think that there are no warriors from them. This is proved by not a single conflict where Arabs participated.

                Chet Rzhu laughing I thought that this troll makes itself out of p.i.d.o.sa, and this is a real p.i.d.o.s. with jackal criminals. Already smart Arabs? laughing
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                For that matter, if you choose which tank to sit in the frontal shelling, then I will choose Abrams, SEP V2, and not for example the same T-72Б3 2016.
                This is not heroism, but quite normal logic.

                You need to be put into the arbams, the hatches should be welded and the tank should be fired so that you do not run away like a famous mammal living in the sewers. And then you’ll be smart about how you “heroically” raised the prestige of the American military-industrial complex in a wet diaper. This is normal logic, not heroism, to look at you in a burning abrams.

                PC: They love jackals so that others die for them.
                1. +2
                  April 2 2019 16: 31
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  Chet rzhu I thought that this troll is making itself out of p.i.nd.do.sa, and this is a real p.i.ndo.s. with jackal criminals. Already smart Arabs?

                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  You need to be put into the arbams, the hatches should be welded and the tank should be fired so that you do not run away like a famous mammal living in the sewers. And then you’ll be smart about how you “heroically” raised the prestige of the American military-industrial complex in a wet diaper. This is normal logic, not heroism, to look at you in a burning abrams


                  1. -4
                    April 2 2019 16: 53
                    This is the future of the Jackal: https: //ria.ru/20190402/1552315843.html laughing Because "heroic" psi do not want to die in American tanks laughing , but want the Arabs to die for them and advertise to the Americans. They also paid for these tanks out of their own pockets. Double fat on "semi-wild tribes" wink
    2. -1
      April 3 2019 03: 30
      Tankers, if lucky, run away from the tank (any, and not just from the Abrashi) for another reason. Explosion of the ammunition.
  27. -3
    April 2 2019 13: 29
    Pros and cons of booking Abrams depleted uranium tanks


    And then they are surprised that after serving in this Chernobyl on caterpillars, their children are born with genetic anomalies, or they are not born at all.
    1. 0
      April 3 2019 11: 20
      The doses received during the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident were several times higher than when a package of armor with uranium was broken ...
  28. +1
    April 2 2019 14: 40
    When firing a tank and damaging uranium elements, microscopic radioactive dust can be concentrated inside the machine, inhalation of which negatively affects health. Break through the armor the same does not benefit the crew’s health.
  29. -1
    April 2 2019 15: 46
    Tanker from "Abrams" ... wink
  30. -3
    April 2 2019 15: 53
    We should already consider the fact that American tankers land in radioactive tanks about the exercises or for the sake of relocation in Europe due to the actions of Russia of any nature - a small, but a victory!
    It's great! good
    1. +4
      April 2 2019 16: 39
      Damn, read the article carefully .. What are the radioactive tanks? Uranium armor in sealed titanium bags ..
  31. -3
    April 2 2019 17: 14
    Quote: astepanov
    Quote: Spartanez300

    Essentially a radioactive crypt, not a tank

    Now turn on the brain (if any) and count a little.
    Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4,5 billion years. Some people compare it to polonium, probably because both are alpha emitters. But the most stable isotope of polonium (Po-210) has a half-life of 138 days. Consequently, the activity of polonium is higher than that of uranium, about 13 billion times! But that's not all. For some reason, many people think that if N alpha decays occurred, then N alpha particles can be detected. This is absolutely not the case. The path length of alpha particles in uranium carbide is very short. There are formulas to calculate it. I will not bring them, whoever wants, he will find. I give the finished result: 1,7 microns. Only this layer of uranium armor can be dangerous for the crew! Do you think that's it now? Whatever it is. a briquette of uranium carbide is tightly welded in a titanium shell, through which radiation cannot penetrate. Of course, over time, the envelope will inflate with the helium formed during the decay (since alpha particles are the helium nuclei). Years that way in 200 million. And, finally, titanium "pockets" are hung on the inner armor of the tank. Of course, if all these layers, including the inner armor, are pierced by a shell, then uranium can get to the crew - but the dead are not afraid.
    Why is so much afraid of uranium and so many horror stories? Because depleted uranium shells are really dangerous. Uranium has an unpleasant property - when crushed by an impact, uranium flares up, smoke - uranium dioxide - consists of the smallest particles and easily enters the lungs, water, products ... And now, hold on. But to confuse sour with red is a bad manners.

    It seems that the person did not read the article at all. In addition, it is written with errors in Russian. Did the Americans come to justify their tank? : D At the same time advertise depleted uranium shells.

    “Stepanov” or “Smith”, the article just says that the radioactivity of the armor is not a problem in itself, why did you write these letters?

    The problem is different: when breaking through the armor, which does not mean the mandatory destruction of the tank or the immediate death of the crew, they can be swallowed by poisonous dust. When shelling a tank, this dust is swallowed by those nearby. This is stated in the article, this is the problem. And what you wrote is called “chatter”, and whoever spat on it for you is a mystery. More precisely, the basis for the conclusion is how many left characters are present on the forum.
    1. +2
      April 3 2019 11: 43
      Balabol and another dodger is just you! Do not write nonsense about advertising shells, he clearly said that they are dangerous. The technique of opponents must be evaluated objectively, and not throw their hats - they themselves will die from radiation. Years later, through * czat *, they may die, only this armor will be an advantage in battle, and not a disadvantage.
      And where did you get the idea that a padded / punched one will go on like this like this, until victory, so to speak? They will send them for repair, change their packages with damage, the decontamination will be carried out and everything is in order. Of course, the crew and those around them will receive the dose, but it is extremely insignificant, not at all comparable to that which the liquidators at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant received.
      PS And the pluses were just put by adequate people. Well, or here 90% of the left characters as you said? Very strange ... Do you believe it yourself?
  32. -2
    April 2 2019 21: 30
    Sorry, but this is a lie. "In 1988, the M1A1NA modification used the first generation uranium armor - UO87 uranium ceramics. In 1990, the second generation UO100 armor was installed on the tank in aluminum packages. Today, the M1A2SEP modifications use the third generation UO100 armor with graphite sputtering in titanium packages. The imminent transition to uranium ceramics of generation 4 has also been announced. "
    There is no spraying there (it makes no sense), and some aluminum bags with titanium ones. Well, there is no trace of 960mm resistance to BOPS either. Information level "toy about tanks". There are other moments where it’s a lie with three boxes, but too lazy to write.
  33. -2
    April 2 2019 21: 36
    Well, 1700 from cumulative ammunition also no resistance. He was taking export Cornet to the forehead of the tower, MHNUMXA1S Saudi (tales about the absence of super-secret uranium ceramics on this tank and other stories for the cat and the lamp in a dark evening - leave the children on the Internet, American, they need to believe in something)
    1. -2
      April 2 2019 22: 56
      They have the second generation uranium armor - without Trophy and mounted dynamic protection.
  34. +3
    April 2 2019 21: 39
    Well, about uranium - not so bad and dangerous. We have the same uranium (Material-B) BOPSy in service with 40 for years. Although in ordinary military life they try not to shoot. But nonetheless. And depleted uranium has weak radioactivity, and no matter how thin the armor is on the inside and outside of the reservation package, it protects. It is another matter that, when penetrating, dust is toxic and radioactive inside it gets, but the crew of this tank has something else in the body before it, it may be all the same. And tungsten dust also doesn’t add health, by the way.
  35. -1
    April 2 2019 21: 40
    Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
    Sorry, but this is a lie. "In 1988, the M1A1NA modification used the first generation uranium armor - UO87 uranium ceramics. In 1990, the second generation UO100 armor was installed on the tank in aluminum packages. Today, the M1A2SEP modifications use the third generation UO100 armor with graphite sputtering in titanium packages. The imminent transition to uranium ceramics of generation 4 has also been announced. "
    There is no spraying there (it makes no sense), and some aluminum bags with titanium ones. Well, there is no trace of 960mm resistance to BOPS either. Information level "toy about tanks". There are other moments where it’s a lie with three boxes, but too lazy to write.

    1700 from the cumulative jet there either. Well, once again I would like to know the source, is it really a game? Or some LJ? Nowhere else can there be such nonsense.
  36. +1
    April 2 2019 22: 24
    It is entirely possible that they are being taken on a false trail. They harm the health of the military is very expensive.
  37. -1
    April 2 2019 22: 50
    - durability of the old armor 470/650-new 960/1600-and not a word about the thickness and weight of the reservation, yes, and where did this data come from? -who checked it out? -or American advertising was firmly believed?
  38. -1
    April 3 2019 03: 50
    The figures given in this topic are very doubtful, since, as the events in the emena show, the abrams of the last episodes may have started holding RPGs in the frontal projection but they are also pierced by more or less modern shells, especially the air damage from high-explosive fragmentation munitions. The Hussites quickly realized how to burn Saudi a2sep and task. It’s certainly good that the tower’s forehead doesn’t make its way
    , but no one will shoot him in the forehead of the tower.
    1. +1
      April 3 2019 07: 35
      and if there is nothing besides the tower and you don’t get on board the tower, then where else to beat?
    2. +2
      April 3 2019 18: 18
      Quote: xASPIDx
      The Hussites quickly realized how to burn Saudi a2sep and task. It’s certainly good that the tower’s forehead doesn’t make its way
      , but no one will shoot him in the forehead of the tower.

      Yes, there is no absolute weapon in the world, of course. But if the Hussites understood how to deal with the Abrams, then they would have dealt with less sophisticated T-shkami in the sense of protection. Is it logical?
  39. -2
    April 3 2019 08: 33
    Kamikaze, with a delayed end ....
  40. -1
    April 3 2019 10: 00
    Again, crush numbers -)), but bullshit is all. Real numbers: weight, speed and cross-section of the core, and then you can specify the thickness of penetration, and so these numbers are not about anything. Because have a core (or whatever you call it BOPS) speed for example 2,5 km. per second, he will pierce the tower through or it will simply fly off -)
    1. -2
      April 3 2019 18: 51
      Why such accelerations? It’s enough to hit a 110-kilogram 203 mm projectile from Pion and Abrams to rip the tower off the shoulder (cannot stand the turning mechanism) or a 130kg mine Smelchak from Tulip (the one with laser guidance) an explosion of 30kg of explosives on the roof of the tank will turn it into dust.
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  42. -1
    April 3 2019 12: 21
    In modern nuclear weapons, thermal neutron injection is used to initiate plutonium. It’s interesting, if you make a weapon based on the violent injection of thermal neutrons in the required amount into depleted uranium of tank armor, will the American tank explode or not?
  43. -1
    April 3 2019 14: 15
    Again, there’s nowhere to put waste? In Iraq, they then och well had fun, digging in the sands of many tons of waste in the form of filling shells. Now they are about to be exported in the form of tanks.
  44. 0
    April 3 2019 18: 10
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
    Yes, do not care for all grenade launchers and other ATGMs, do you know what will stop the advance of the Merkav regiment equipped with Trophy? Fire division RZSO SMERCH

    You curiously turn off a different topic
  45. -2
    April 3 2019 19: 38
    such garbage in the article, what’s the dust about flying the crew if the armor is stable and the crew is alive. it's like a joke about a smoke. tobacco is a slow death, and we are not in a hurry. the military review has slipped, the article is so-so children in the second grade of the essay write a large volume.
  46. 0
    April 3 2019 22: 02
    Quote: Archivist Vasya
    Balabol and another dodger is just you! Do not write nonsense about advertising shells, he clearly said that they are dangerous.

    Another miracle from the clip? You are all revealing yourself like that :) This is the only thing you have achieved. But the skill level is such that you simply cannot do it differently.

    You will not find a single post with a “dodging” among my posts. On the contrary, I always emphasize the need for a balanced approach, referring to sources of information, confirming data and objective assessment. So go by, and so you are a liar.

    As for shells, he paints their danger to enemies, which is an advertisement.


    The technique of opponents must be evaluated objectively, and not throw their hats - they themselves will die from radiation.

    Not a single word about this in my post. What else would you fantasize about?

    I wrote about uranium dust. Uranium is a highly toxic substance. Destroys the kidneys, nerves, disrupts the hematopoiesis system.

    And where did you get the idea that a padded / punched one will go on like this like this, until victory, so to speak?

    And again a lie. Do you have something chronic there? You act mediocre, without a twinkle.

    Here is what was written:
    upon breaking through the armor, which does not mean the obligatory destruction of the tank or the immediate death of the crew, they can be swallowed by poisonous dust.

    Not a word about further participation in the hostilities, however, the crew really does not die every time the armor is broken.

    Of course, the crew and those around them will receive the dose, but it is extremely insignificant, not at all comparable to that which the liquidators at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant received.

    What does radiation have to do with it? This is not a major issue. You seem to read and write in Russian, but it won’t reach, or rather, you are struggling to translate the topic. Uranium itself is a toxic substance, this is the problem.

    PS And the pluses were just put by adequate people. Well, or here 90% of the left characters as you said? Very strange ... Do you believe it yourself?

    It is necessary in this case not to believe, but to know. It is shown above that you are a liar many times, trying to divert the discussion to the side. This gives reason to assume that you are from the same cohort of left-wing characters who are here with well-defined goals.
    Well, one more acc - buy! :) You already realized that you were in the focus of attention?