Consolation by level of education: “Things are worse in Europe”

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The results of the study, in which 13 thousands of Russian schools participated, look quite disappointing. Half of Russian schoolchildren have problems mastering mathematics. So, almost half of fifth grade students hardly perform basic mathematical operations.

Meanwhile, the authors of the issue “Time-Forward!” Do not rush to exaggerate the state of modern Russian education. To create a more complete picture, they decide to look at the educational situation in other countries. In itself, a somewhat strange formulation of the question is an assessment of the level of education in one’s own country, based on the level of education in other countries.



It turned out that, for example, in the Scandinavian countries, as well as in the UK and Italy, the level of mathematical skills is much lower than in Russia. Teaching mathematics in the Italian and British schools, according to research by the University of Cambridge, leads to the formation of the so-called “panic attack”, that is, fear of this subject in primary and secondary school students. In this regard, in order not to injure the child's psyche, researchers advise schools to transfer students to an easier mathematical level of learning.

At the same time, the authors of the video for some reason did not compare the level of modern education in Russia with the Chinese, South Korean, Singaporean - with the level of those countries that actually took Soviet educational experience as a basis.

Why focus on those whose level of education is worse? Is this a consolation?

What are the causes of such similar problems in education in Russia and Europe? The Russian journalist of American origin Tim Kerby will share his thoughts on the difference in approaches.

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  1. 0
    April 2 2019 15: 30
    The results of the study, in which 13 thousands of Russian schools participated, look quite disappointing. Half of Russian schoolchildren have problems mastering mathematics. So, almost half of fifth grade students hardly perform basic mathematical operations.
    Where can I find these results?
    1. -1
      April 2 2019 22: 17
      Even if you find this study, the most important thing is that you will not find answers to questions about what to do and who is to blame. Pupils are often not guilty that their teachers are woodpeckers.
      Forced to hire a tutor for a child. Her mathematician, chronically does not come to parental meetings, and often just hides from her parents, I suspect that this is the only thing she can do.
      1. 0
        April 15 2019 20: 56
        Peter. 1978 10th grade, graduation. At school, they could not find a math teacher for a whole year. There are no problems - the child takes a tutorial and prepares for exams. A good teacher is generally rare, try to work out with the kid yourself.
  2. VRF
    +7
    April 2 2019 15: 31
    After I watched the series of films "The Last Call" by journalist Konstantin Semin, I shed a tear from what the national education was turned into.
    1. +3
      April 2 2019 15: 48
      School programs have become more complex. Judging by their offspring. I don’t know how education is, but the school is slightly degraded. The reason is the change of values. And here are two options - either change the values, or get used to it yourself. Our country is developing unevenly, this is the main problem.
  3. 0
    April 2 2019 15: 39
    Meanwhile, our schoolchildren and students are taking first places in international olympiads in the exact sciences.
    1. +13
      April 2 2019 15: 43
      Nevertheless, we are talking about an average level of knowledge and not about those who take places at the Olympics.
      1. -10
        April 2 2019 15: 49
        Olympics just show the level of education. Another thing is that there are children who are not able to perceive this education, do not teach them.
        1. +8
          April 2 2019 16: 31
          Quote: AS Ivanov.

          Olympics just show the level of education.

          oga ... I knew one Olympian ... it was just my classmate who was trained by a mathematics teacher doing tutoring. Something like this. By these "Olympians" you can judge about sports training ... with the same "success".
          1. -1
            April 2 2019 19: 11
            My younger, studying in a regular school, took a prize in the city programming Olympiad. Participated in the All-Russian, though it turned out to be in the middle. No one pulled his ears.
        2. +4
          April 2 2019 17: 29
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Olympics just show the level of education.

          NEVER
          the best ones were always sent to olympiads, but this will not show a cut
    2. +6
      April 2 2019 17: 25
      This is a piece of work, and they don’t do weather either in science or in other areas. Our life depends on the average Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov. What will it be like in medicine, in industry, in agriculture, in administration or in power structures, this will be our life. Only now Vanyushka is now interested in pushing the teacher into the attic and cheating on the teacher, and it is not at all interesting to learn the chemical formulas of substances and all the physical laws there. I’m terrified of thinking who will replace the Soviet doctors. After all, it’s about old age. winked
      1. -4
        April 2 2019 18: 02
        And this is not a problem of education, but of education. From the same class, both fully educated children and finished boobies are graduated. However, this was the case before, just not sparkling with knowledge, after 8th grade, screened out in vocational schools. Perspectives went to grade 9 with an eye on universities.
        1. +4
          April 2 2019 18: 41
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          not sparkling with knowledge, after 8th grade, screened out in vocational schools

          I wonder where they are being screened out right now. The guards and sellers?
          1. -1
            April 2 2019 18: 50
            This is at best. In the worst case, they climb into universities.
            1. 0
              April 15 2019 21: 05
              Universities!
        2. +3
          April 2 2019 19: 21
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          However, this was the case before, just not sparkling with knowledge, after 8th grade, screened out in vocational schools.

          og ... half of the friends of vocational schools graduated ... half colonels, other firms keep production. plus a couple have copyright certificates for inventions. fools probably.
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 19: 23
            This is from which vocational schools graduated officers?
            1. +2
              April 2 2019 19: 25
              Quote: AS Ivanov.

              This is from which vocational schools graduated officers?

              And what, after the vocational school, your life ended? And I continued: the army, the factory, the special department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, now the pension. Is it impossible? Or is the "tower" so pressing?
              1. 0
                April 2 2019 19: 28
                I do not have a "tower" I do not consider absenteeism a tower. Ten-year-term - GA flight school. Secondary school.
  4. +4
    April 2 2019 15: 47
    The situation with education is the result of many years of efforts by the authorities to turn the people into. And they do it.
    1. +6
      April 2 2019 18: 27
      The destruction of any nation does not require atomic bombs or the use of long-range missiles. All that is required is a decrease in the quality of education and the resolution of cheating by students in exams.
      Patients die at the hands of such doctors. Buildings collapse at the hands of such engineers. Money is lost at the hands of such economists and accountants. Justice is lost in the hands of such lawyers and judges.
      The collapse of education is a collapse

      I regret that the thought is not mine, but it seems to accurately reflect the situation
  5. +9
    April 2 2019 15: 57
    The education system has also deteriorated in our country. Education reforms have not justified themselves and are returning the ten-year / or eleven-year /. Colleges are closing. The education system is such a thing, it is easy to destroy, but to establish it .... As one great German said, "The school teacher wins wars." Modern society is unthinkable without a good education. And they are trying to, and actually made it paid. My father told me that during the war, schoolchildren were given bread to attend classes. And this was a serious incentive at that time. Even during the war, they thought about the future. Yes ....
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 17: 28
      Quote: Ali Kokand
      Colleges close.

      and what is this college in general? !!!
      Vocational school, technical school, what is it? !!!
  6. +7
    April 2 2019 16: 12
    Degraded the whole society. School is a mirror of society and the state. What is going on there is better not to tell, so as not to cry. My experience is more than 30 years. Rural school of the district center of the south of Russia.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 16: 43
      Quote: geolive77777
      Degraded the whole society.

      I agree. If you get a deuce earlier, then you’ll be at home. Now, for the deuce, the parents are running to deal with the teacher.
    2. +1
      April 2 2019 19: 14
      these educational reforms kill both education itself and the understanding of its need ... to my question: how did you calculate the perimeter? .. my granddaughter answered, I quote: "why should I know this? the teacher said to rewrite it from the Internet to make it beautiful" .... and this is an elementary school ... and the further, the worse ... but, wherever you spit, all the masters and bachelors ... sad
  7. +1
    April 2 2019 16: 22
    Well, not everything is so awful.
    1. +4
      April 2 2019 16: 32
      Quote: Lamatinets

      Well, not everything is so awful.

      I agree ... still worse.
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 16: 38
        Mavo's son is fine
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 16: 41
          compared to what is "normal"? I was in school with the children involved in VP ... they came from the army, crazy: they were so stupid and dead, they say they have not seen ... they said that I drove them a little ... my son said the same thing ... now he is finishing off under a contract ...
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 16: 47
            Children at school after the army7 I do not compare mine, I just see the result of study and education
  8. +4
    April 2 2019 16: 24
    When I entered the military school back in '87, the assistant professor of mathematics at the school wrote a thank you note to the mathematics teacher of my school for the high level of knowledge in mathematics of school graduates .....
  9. +5
    April 2 2019 16: 38
    "The Slavs must work for us ..., ... education is dangerous. It is enough if they can count to a hundred ... Every educated person is our future enemy. All sentimental objections must be discarded. We must rule this people with iron determination. . " (A. Hitler)
    A wonderful illustration of the state of modern education in Russia.
  10. +1
    April 2 2019 16: 41
    Now it’s more difficult to learn a lot of information, including unnecessary information; the approach of the teachers of the old Soviet school has changed
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 17: 27
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Now it’s more difficult to learn a lot of information, including unnecessary

      give examples
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 21: 48
        Well if you have children they have adults and ask
        1. -2
          April 2 2019 22: 39
          here I trudge
          you said that it became more difficult to learn because of the abundance of information, I asked you to give an example, you say look for it yourself
          I correctly understood that you said something about which you do not know and cannot prove?
    2. +2
      April 2 2019 18: 06
      Now it’s much easier to learn: any reference and educational information is on the Internet. Almost any lecture on YouTube has been posted, I don’t want to study.
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 21: 36
        This is not so!
        For example, my daughter:
        The class is studying in Kiev on "Rostok" -
        Until grade 5, everything was fine, while dad had time to help. Up to grade 7, a complete failure, Uncle Google of course steers, from Ineta you could download all your finished homework, at the end of the year in the last five in the math class rating. It was a cruel lesson for her, the attitude of classmates who succeeded in mathematics changed to neglect.
        In 8th grade, a math tutor was hired, a teacher from God!) The entire 8th grade restored knowledge starting from 6th grade. Grade 9 is a sharp rise in knowledge, classmates still do not perceive, now grade 10 is in the top three in mathematics.
        He teaches English from the first class with a tutor, speaks almost fluently, but is still constrained. German from grade 5, teaches very well. Went to learn Korean, dreams of going to Korea. The workload is such that my school of the 80s nervously smokes on the sidelines. It got to the point that one day a week, I allowed her not to go to school ...
        In Ukraine, now, on admission, the so-called ZNO exams in Russian External Independent Assessment, which are taken at the school, but not in the one where she studies, are counted. If you gain points, in English, in mathematics you did, if not, then go for a walk. The exams are very tough, only the most intelligent and diligent or for money will go to universities, but then the grandmother wondered for two ...
        Clarification, the school for teachers is good and strict, Rostock instilled competition for knowledge. After the 7th grade, seeing the problem with mathematics, he was transferred to a specialized English school, so not all the children there even knew the multiplication table, after three days my daughter begged to bring her back from this swamp. I tell her here you are a "star", but there is simply a "good girl", no Dad here, the children do not need anything.
        He returned what we do not regret.
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 23: 41
          Well, I, knowing the tendency of the youngest son to microelectronics, bought him Arduino (this is such a programmable microcontroller with a body kit). The guy and stuck. Himself, using information from the Internet, he began to learn to program, in general, he was engaged in robotics. Accordingly, to communicate in foreign forums on this topic, I began to intensively learn Aglitsky, also myself: video lessons, communication with native speakers on Skype. Now he graduated from ITMO, works for himself, freelancer - programmer. I’m talking about the fact that for those who want to study, now the Internet opens up great opportunities, the main thing is motivation.
      2. -1
        April 2 2019 21: 50
        So you need to analyze this information in the network in order to use it for yourself, and it’s time to strain your brains before you were guided by a lecture or textbook
    3. +3
      April 3 2019 03: 46
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      a lot of information
      In fundamental sciences, or rather, in school mathematics, algebra, geometry, physics, chemistry, etc. what's new in comparison, for example, with the 80s ?! What new rules appeared in Russian?
  11. +2
    April 2 2019 17: 26
    . To create a more complete picture, they decide to look at the educational situation in other countries.
    yes violet like theirs, if we have nothing to do with them
  12. +2
    April 2 2019 18: 27
    By itself, a somewhat strange formulation of the question is to assess the level of education in your country based on the level of education in other countries.

    Obvious everything deepening degradation Russian education, its lagging behind world leaders, which is a direct consequence
    Fursensky and Co.
    training policies are not creators but consumers and inevitable, in this regard,
    Debriefing
    that society will demand is forcing all these liberal education reformers to seek excuses for their malicious policies today!
  13. +2
    April 2 2019 18: 29
    Yes, purple like them!
    We have to deal with ourselves ... like for the first time in first grade, again and again!
    One trouble, they taught us not for the sake of tests, but for the sake of knowledge! So you have to convince, push the child into the head with knowledge and spit when looking at the school curriculum! In addition, it’s hard to explain to a little why dad thinks no worse than the cashier at the checkout, in his mind, while others strive to poke buttons, Schaub will add 2 + 2!
    Why is he not allowed to play shooters, but they are forced to move their brains, i.e. to study and read books, and even learn to play chess.
    Everything is not so sad, but for the time being there is gunpowder in the old woman’s old bookshelves, learned by Soviet programs .... but of course, this is a fact.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 21: 10
      Quote: rocket757
      there is gunpowder in the old woman’s old ones, learned from Soviet programs

      not long left, 10-15 years
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 22: 28
        Not for long.
        One thing pleases, I’ll certainly teach my own and I’ll have time to make homework from the wards! My account, one in six dozen ..... norms!
  14. +1
    April 2 2019 22: 26
    "Why focus on those whose educational level is worse?" - nonsense! I think about the quality of education and, at the same time, science can be judged by the number of Nobel Prizes;
    1. USA - 277
    2. Great Britain - 106
    3. Germany - 100
    4. France - 52
    5 Russia - 38 *
    * - This figure includes laureates from the USSR and the Russian Empire who lived in Western countries.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 23: 28
      How many American Nobel laureates were not educated in the United States?
      1. 0
        April 3 2019 03: 49
        You want to say, in the United States, low-quality higher education? lol A huge number of first-class universities. Another issue is that training is expensive. And so, for example, my classmates went on an excursion to MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology). Arrived shocked by what they saw. Before him, any Russian university as far as the moon and the level of funding, and the volume of research.
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Nobel Laureates not educated in the US
        I wonder why they did not realize their achievements in their countries? lol
  15. 0
    April 3 2019 05: 06
    found on what to equal .. still with the Monkeys compared a pancake!
  16. +1
    April 3 2019 06: 34
    the decline in the quality of teacher training did not begin now, in 1988, when I entered the AGPI, we had a lot of students - with a direction from the oblon, they had to return to work in their rural small schools after the institute, in fact, my institute was engaged in training personnel for of such schools, they had the lowest passing score, nowhere below !! and in the session they were pulled by the ears! The result, six months before graduating from the Russian language faculty, Madame wrote with errors !! and my classmate, a month before the end of the biochemical, put a granule of sodium hydroxide in her mouth !!!! twice five-year students blew up Kipp's apparatus, without checking hydrogen for cleanliness, poked a lit match into the outlet pipe!
  17. -1
    April 3 2019 15: 01
    The program of comprador power that led Russia after the bourgeois coup, to destroy the scientific potential of Russia, gives excellent results. Dmitry A. Medvedev really likes stupid people with iPhones in their hands. Soul affinity however.
  18. 0
    April 3 2019 15: 31
    In different European countries, the quality of school education varies markedly. German schools in this regard are somewhere in the middle, and Finnish school education is one of the best in Europe.
  19. 0
    April 4 2019 14: 16
    Quote: polar fox
    special department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    what is this department? I would like to know
  20. 0
    April 16 2019 08: 20
    Full crap .. Now all the ignoramuses and losers go to teachers .. I freed my wife from work and she studied with our child almost until the exams .. The result-ege is excellent. The university is easy. I have a budget. To hope for school, only time to lose. All teachers or almost all are laid out only in the field of tutoring.