Warsaw "explained" why did not invite Russia to the anniversary of the beginning of WWII

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In Poland, they tried to clarify their position, on the basis of which the representatives of Russia did not receive an official invitation from Warsaw to commemorative events dedicated to the start of the Second World War (WWII). Recall that such events in Poland are scheduled for September (on the 80 anniversary of the event). The Russian Foreign Ministry called the Polish decision an attempt to rewrite stories.

Warsaw "explained" why did not invite Russia to the anniversary of the beginning of WWII




From the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation:

The intention of the Polish leadership to organize events in September on the occasion of the 80 anniversary of the outbreak of the Second World War in the format of the meeting of the current "allies and partners" of Warsaw from the EU member countries, NATO, as well as the participants of the Eastern Partnership project was taken with bewilderment. The Polish authorities justify their idea with certain “modern realities”, ignoring the historical logic. Despite the undoubtedly decisive contribution of our Motherland to the defeat of the Hitler Reich and the liberation of Poland from the Nazi invaders, for Russia there is no place in this scheme.


It is noted that Poland is trying to make the event private, which is a curvature of the worldview of representatives of the current Polish government.

The official representative of the President of Poland frankly stated that Warsaw took the decision on who to invite to commemorative events, “based not on historical, but on modern realities”.

At the same time, in Warsaw, the logic of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation was called “problematic”, adding that Poland invites only those who respect the sovereignty of the states of the world and their territorial integrity.

Representative of the Polish President:

Breaking these rules was a feature of the 1939 aggressors of the year, and remains the greatest threat to the world today.


If the logic of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is called “problematic”, then how to call the logic of the Polish authorities, if they even have it? So, in the list of invitees - representatives of the United States of America, who over the past few decades have repeatedly violated the sovereignty of a number of countries in the world: from Iraq and Libya to attempts in Venezuela. Moreover, the United States is also violating Polish sovereignty, increasing its military presence in this country, deliberately carrying out a provocation at the Russian borders.

Apparently, the Polish authorities are ready to unzip those who are hoping to grab a “piece” for themselves, as was the case in 1938.

Based on this fact, it is quite possible to initiate the restoration of historical justice in Russia and consider the beginning of World War II not the invasion of the Nazis in Poland, but the day of the invasion of Nazi Germany and its then Polish allies into Czechoslovakia with its subsequent division under the approval of Western partners from Paris and London.
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  1. +31
    21 March 2019 07: 03
    "Apparently, the Polish authorities are ready to bow before those with whom they hope to grab a" piece "and for themselves, as it was in 1938."
    Hyena of Europe. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. Churchill was right.
    1. +51
      21 March 2019 07: 18
      Participants are invited to the anniversary of the start of WWII. What side are we here for? Let them celebrate. Our holidays are May 9 and September 2 ... Yes
      1. +20
        21 March 2019 07: 40
        You might think weep that we were not invited, just the Poles once again showed that they are ungrateful vile creatures. Only during the Second World War, our soldiers died freeing their country, and the Americans and the British bombed their cities by wiping them off the face of the earth.
        1. +16
          21 March 2019 07: 49
          We had to invite the Poles to the anniversary of the Red Army’s liberation campaign. Or bring them by force. We must poke the cat in our own shit.
          1. +17
            21 March 2019 08: 22
            Poland is historically a country of hyenas and jackals, and at that time they only thought who to snatch a piece of territory from, here are a few quotes:

            For example, in December 1938, a prominent Polish diplomat, Jan Karsho-Siedlevsky, openly told one of his German counterparts:
            “The political perspective for the European East is clear. In a few years, Germany will be at war with the Soviet Union, and Poland will support Germany in this war. It’s better for Poland to definitely side with Germany before the conflict, since the territorial interests of Poland in the East, primarily at the expense of Ukraine, can only be secured by a previously reached Polish-German agreement. ”

            After the Munich Agreement, on September 30, Warsaw, with the support of Berlin, again demanded Teshin for itself. Czechoslovakia, abandoned by all, was forced to cede, giving the Poles a huge territory.

            The famous British politician Winston Churchill indignantly called Poland a state that rushed to eat Czechoslovakia with the greed of a hyena that the Nazis had “not eaten”!

            This is what German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop made a note after meeting in January 1939 with his Polish colleague Jozef Beck: "Mr. Beck does not hide the fact that Poland is claiming Soviet Ukraine and access to the Black Sea."
            1. -1
              21 March 2019 09: 07
              Poland is historically a country of hyenas and jackals, and at that time they only thought who to snatch a piece of territory


              Well, why should the Poles invite such "guests"?
              1. +10
                21 March 2019 09: 53
                Quote: Deck
                Well, why should the Poles invite such "guests"?

                Nonsense, these were invited:
                1. +6
                  21 March 2019 10: 24
                  Have they been invited? .... Moreover, in such a company we have nothing to do!
                  1. +4
                    21 March 2019 11: 15
                    Quote: volodimer
                    Have they been invited? .... Moreover, in such a company we have nothing to do!

                    Poland is not just Russophobic supporting the Ukrainian Nazis, but it is they who are once again pursuing the disruptive policy of the West in Europe in order to again grab land from the same Russians in Ukraine and Russia.
                    The Poles really need a war with Russia, and preferably not with their own hands.
                    1. +4
                      21 March 2019 11: 35
                      True, Churchill also spoke about Poland, which Poland historically experienced.
                      Glory during the period of rebellion and grief - infamy and shame during the period of triumph. And yet there were two Poland; one of them fought for the truth, the other crawled into meanness.

                      We are now dealing again with the second - vilely liberal, i.e. bourgeois, and not with socialist - Poland.
                      1. +2
                        21 March 2019 11: 47
                        The Poles simply pumped their "market" economy under the bourgeois system to the American transatlantic globalists.
                        Poland lost its sovereignty and lay in jackal under the USA.

                  2. 0
                    21 March 2019 11: 47
                    Quote: volodimer
                    Have they been invited? ....

                    But what, ento are the best friends wassat
                2. +1
                  21 March 2019 22: 29
                  Quote: Dym71
                  Quote: Deck
                  Well, why should the Poles invite such "guests"?

                  Nonsense, these were invited:

              2. +1
                21 March 2019 22: 27
                Quote: Deck
                Poland is historically a country of hyenas and jackals, and at that time they only thought who to snatch a piece of territory


                Well, why should the Poles invite such "guests"?

                It's disgusting to go to such a "visit"!
                1. -5
                  22 March 2019 06: 01
                  Well, they did not invite. What is the cause of frustration and suffering? laughing
                  1. +6
                    22 March 2019 09: 19
                    Quote: Deck
                    Well, they did not invite. What is the cause of frustration and suffering? laughing

                    Do you see the suffering here? what
            2. +1
              21 March 2019 15: 58
              Joseph Beck was not a Polac, just like Donald Tusk is not a polac! They were seated on their back by foreigners at a time when they were imposed the Catholic religion. Polaki has been under occupation for 1000 years.
            3. +1
              21 March 2019 20: 25
              Polish "dreamers" then dreamed until complete disaster, now they are again full of "dreams" ...
          2. +1
            21 March 2019 21: 32
            a holiday in Poland and we will stop them, we have mourning
        2. +2
          21 March 2019 22: 25
          Quote: Spartanez300
          You might think weep that we were not invited, just the Poles once again showed that they are ungrateful vile creatures. Only during the Second World War, our soldiers died freeing their country, and the Americans and the British bombed their cities by wiping them off the face of the earth.

          Here, at a televised debate today, a Pole indignantly addressed the Russian participants: "Why did the USSR not bomb the railway tracks leading to the concentration camps !?" Although a few weeks ago he stated that the Poles did not ask to be released from the Germans. T.vari!
      2. +17
        21 March 2019 07: 52
        Let them celebrate. Our holidays are May 9 and September 2 ... yes

        I also do not see the subject for experiences .. smile Well, we will invite them to the victory parade according to the good old tradition. And even better, officially invite the veterans of the Second World War and help them with their arrival, as well as with the accommodation and cultural program for all the May holidays .. Yes
        1. +11
          21 March 2019 08: 51
          Centuries have passed ... the relevance has not disappeared .. ------------

          What are you noisy about, folk-like?
          Why anathema threaten you Russia?
          What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
          Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
          Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
          A question that you will not solve.

          For a long time among themselves
          These tribes are at war;
          More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
          Theirs, then our side.
          Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
          Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
          Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
          Will it run dry? here is the question.

          Leave us: you have not read
          These bloody tablets;
          It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
          This is a family feud;
          The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
          Pointlessly seduces you
          Fights of desperate courage -
          And you hate us ...
          Alexander Pushkin
          TO RUSSIAN RELIEFS It is written as if about today ... Only Ukraine was added ...
          1. +7
            21 March 2019 09: 04
            hi
            TO RUSSIAN RELIEFS It is written as if about today ... Only Ukraine was added ...

            The history of people does not teach anything. Repeat one and same error. We are too mired in the material world. In pursuit of profit and mat. The benefits have forgotten the main thing, that we are a big family, with their traditions and culture. Lessons have not been learned.
      3. +2
        21 March 2019 08: 15
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Participants are invited to the anniversary of the start of WWII.

        As an article I read, I immediately thought the same thing about the Germans. laughing
      4. +4
        21 March 2019 08: 32


        You are somewhat mistaken, it is clearly visible on the medal that our holiday is September 3.
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 08: 38
          Quote: Fervor
          You are somewhat mistaken, it is clearly visible on the medal that our holiday is September 3.

          Formally, this is another war. The USSR declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945.
          1. +4
            21 March 2019 08: 48
            This is not another war, this is the same World War II.
            1. +3
              21 March 2019 08: 54
              Quote: Fervor
              this is the same World War II.

              From May to August 1945, we had peace. To participate in the war while at peace is nonsense.
              The Western imperialists had the Second World War, and we had the Great Patriotic War plus a couple of minor conflicts compared to it.
              For us, this is the common name of that period of history and nothing more, and it doesn’t draw on a holiday.
              Here is a separate victory over Japan - pulls, but the end of the "Second World" is not.
      5. +5
        21 March 2019 08: 35
        Absolutely right! After all, it was Poland and its accomplices that stood at the origins of that war.
      6. +2
        21 March 2019 09: 08
        Our holidays are May 9 and September 2 ...

        I would add March 13th, but Talvisota is unpopular. Somehow we pass around this war in silence ...
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 09: 42
          Quote: Kerensky
          Our holidays are May 9 and September 2 ...

          I would add March 13th, but Talvisota is unpopular. Somehow we pass around this war in silence ...

          Soviet-Finnish, this is completely different, then dates from "Great Finland" were treated.
          "Any enemy of Russia should always be a friend of Finland" © Svinhufvud President of Finland in 1931-1937
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 09: 48
            it is completely different, then dates from "Great Finland" were treated.

            What did not cure? Somehow unexpectedly finished. Vyborg, in fact, took, cut Finland in half, one transition remained ...
            1. +4
              21 March 2019 09: 56
              Quote: Kerensky
              cut Finland in half,

              The capture of Finland was not the aim of the war, the purpose of the war was to push the boundaries of the hostile state from Leningrad. And this goal has been achieved.
              1. +1
                21 March 2019 10: 07
                the aim of the war was to push the boundaries of the hostile state from Leningrad.

                And were the Finns hostile to us? Before the start of this fuss, they behaved themselves pretty decently.
                Czechoslovakians had shoe production and harness made (Skoda with tanks and Czech Zborevka Brno, just secondary).
                Poland has a locomotive park.
                Have we pushed the border from Beloostrov?
                I believe that this is not the main goal, there was something else. And since the war ended so unexpectedly, the goal was achieved. But there was also a "war - revenge" ...
                1. 0
                  21 March 2019 10: 14
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  And were the Finns hostile to us?

                  Drag yes, like the Poles.
                  The Poles have "Great Poland", the Finns have "Great Finland". Therefore, both of them got the horns almost simultaneously.
                2. 0
                  22 March 2019 23: 10
                  In fact, in the Finnish War, Rossi returned her lands transferred by Alexander to the Principality of Finland. From part and therefore the war was stopped. Yes, and the Finnish resistance grew, communications were extended.
                  1. 0
                    22 March 2019 23: 37
                    In fact, in the Finnish War, Rossi returned her lands transferred by Alexander to the Principality of Finland.

                    Dmitry, let me disagree. We needed those lands so urgently that we started the war already on November 30th? Agree, this is not the right time to start a war in the north. And before that, what did we do? Liberation trips. They quickly released everyone, and so that people would not be allowed to go home and no footcloths to be stored in warehouses, they began to free the Finns.
        2. +2
          21 March 2019 09: 46
          Quote: Kerensky
          but Talvisota is unpopular

          Are you finn? I’m interested in without a second thought. It's just that the Finns call this war in Finnish.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 09: 55
            Are you finn? I’m interested in without a second thought. It's just that the Finns call this war in Finnish.

            I am an ethnic German, although I was born and raised in Kalinin (Tver).
            My hobby is unpopular wars. Since there is no name for this war in our history, we have to use the Finnish term.
            1. +3
              21 March 2019 09: 59
              Quote: Kerensky
              Since there is no name for this war in our history,

              In our history it is called Soviet - Finnish. Or just Finnish.
              I remember that from school. You and I probably taught different stories.
              1. +3
                21 March 2019 10: 40
                You and I probably taught different stories.

                Maybe. Just the next war with the Finns was a few 1918, 1939, 1941. The term Talvisota Finns called the war 30.11.1939/13.03.1940/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Well, not to be confused.
                Closer to the topic of news, after all, the conflict with Poland. However, I do not recall a term for, for example, the conflict of 1920. Then yes - the term "liberation campaign" appeared.
                Let's open the memoirs of Pokryshkin, what is the beginning? There are no feats yet. Tractors are being pulled by harvesters to the rear. Past the airfield. And then they just captured the airfield ... Whose combines with tractors? Have the Bessarabian peasants been overcome?
                1. 0
                  21 March 2019 10: 59
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  Just the next war with the Finns was a few

                  The date is usually added and all.
                  And 1941 is the Great Patriotic War, and not with Finland. There, besides the Finns, almost the whole of Europe fought on the side of the fascists, it makes no sense to list them separately.
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  Have the Bessarabian peasants been overcome?

                  Where did the Bessarabian peasants get combines with tractors? Are you kidding chtol? Yes, they have one port for two.
                  This is the property of the exploiting capitalists.
                  1. 0
                    21 March 2019 13: 10
                    And 1941 is the Great Patriotic War, and not with Finland. There, except for the Finns,

                    Yes? Okay. Karl Gustav Emil von Mannerheim I had a little relative. Why didn’t they take Leningrad? Well then, the topic of a separate conversation ...
                    And here:
                    Where did the Bessarabian peasants get combines with tractors? Are you kidding chtol?

                    This is not me, this is Pokryshkin’s memoirs.
                    Well, let's not here to wallow this .. Vanka ..
                    I'm on Skype Kirill Bokichev, knock, discuss.
                    1. 0
                      21 March 2019 13: 25
                      Quote: Kerensky
                      This is not me, this is Pokryshkin’s memoirs.

                      I haven’t read it, but I’m sure that the owner of the equipment is not listed there and these are clearly not poor peasants.
                      Why didn’t they take Leningrad?

                      For about the same reason why the Germans "did not" either. We got stuck in the Karelian fortified area.
                      However, this did not stop them from participating in the blockade of the city.
                      1. -2
                        21 March 2019 16: 03
                        Not read but sure that the owner of the equipment is not indicated there

                        Yes Sergey, yes. Pokryshkin writes only about tractors with combines dusting past the airfield.
                        For about the same reason why the Germans "did not" either.

                        Grandfathers Adolf and Karl did not agree.
                        However, this did not stop them from participating in the blockade of the city.

                        And now I’ll swipe at the sacred. Was there a blockade? How many trains did not go to Tikhvin? 20 days? No! Leningrad simply did not take, because they could not hold.
                    2. 0
                      21 March 2019 19: 35
                      Quote: Kerensky
                      Why didn’t they take Leningrad? Well then, the topic of a separate conversation ...


                      Because the 21st Army of the Red Army was against Leningraders, too. Your separate conversation will be empty and meaningless due to the lack of reliable factual material on your part. Or do you think that the Germans were worse than the Finnish warriors? ..
                      1. -1
                        22 March 2019 07: 37
                        Your separate conversation will be empty and meaningless due to the lack of reliable factual material on your part.

                        Igor. Are you so sure Well, I will not argue with you. Yes, actually we generally evaded the topic of news ....
              2. +1
                21 March 2019 11: 09
                The name "Winter War" is also used.
                1. 0
                  21 March 2019 12: 00
                  Quote: volodimer

                  The name "Winter War" is also used.

                  Unofficial name. This is how "Talvisota" is translated into Russian from Finnish.
                  1. -1
                    22 March 2019 10: 41
                    Unofficial name. This is how "Talvisota" is translated into Russian from Finnish

                    By the way, the film is Finnish, with their leisureliness. Recommend.
      7. +2
        21 March 2019 09: 41
        Nuuu ... you could kinda be offended. Pripiruy buhmi, puke everything and fuck off everyone)))

        And then they didn’t call
      8. +4
        21 March 2019 12: 53
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Participants are invited to the anniversary of the start of WWII.

        Participants in its unleashing were invited to the anniversary of the start of WWII.
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    3. -1
      21 March 2019 08: 48
      GKS 2111
      The Poles in their hatred are not original. It is disgusting that in RUSSIA there are those who expect sanity from Nazi Poland.
      Current Poland has declared itself the heir to Poland created by Pilsudski. Apparently now the Poles are looking for a director-dictator, like Pilsudski. Pilsudski took place as an Austrian agent; present-day Austria is not in vogue because directors in other countries are looking for it.
      1. +3
        21 March 2019 10: 58
        Quote: Vasily50
        The Poles in their hatred are not original. It is disgusting that in RUSSIA there are those who expect sanity from Nazi Poland.

        It’s not so much disgusting, how surprising it is that we are still trying to smooth the corners and trying to inform those who have long been monetizing their conscience and memory in American grants. Here is an example of the correct reaction
        Based on this fact, it is quite possible to initiate the restoration of historical justice in Russia and consider the beginning of World War II not the invasion of the Nazis in Poland, but the day of the invasion of Nazi Germany and its then Polish allies into Czechoslovakia with its subsequent division under the approval of Western partners from Paris and London.
        Why not do it? Afraid to offend? Spit on the Poles, they are definitely not our friends and brothers — let their rotten gut be visible to everyone.
      2. -1
        21 March 2019 14: 17
        In general, it is worth recalling HOW exactly the war between Germans and Poles began.
        The Polish provocation to seize and rob the border German town of the city on German territory gave rise to start a war. Then the Poles robbed both shops and a jewelry store, wealthy residents and with the loot disappeared in the neighboring territory, in Poland. The Poles were mobilized since the spring and bored started provocations almost across the border. The provocation in Gleivitz turned out to be the largest and * loudest *.
        Already on September 1, the Poles began to destroy the Germans in the towns that were captured from Germany in the twenties. Germans were killed by all Poles, both old and small, women also participated in the killings. Because the Germans so cruelly treated the Poles and then did not admit to the SS, although they willingly took them to the police and, after registration * of the governor-general *, called up the army.
        Only on September 3, the British announced the Germans entry into the war.
    4. +1
      21 March 2019 10: 55
      The behavior is not "hyena", but "jackal". There is no self-esteem, only an unreasonable "Greater Poland ambition".
  2. +11
    21 March 2019 07: 08
    Polish "lords" from politics once again publicly showed their hatred and disdain for Russia, and of course they licked the USA, which was not for the first time declared the main winners in the 2nd World War and was quick to invite them first. Considering the Polish mentality, historical hatred of Russia and fear of it, the desire to become the main ones in Europe with the help of the United States - everything is natural.
  3. +13
    21 March 2019 07: 12
    German and Polish border guard on a railway bridge in the Czech city captured by the Poles Bohumin.
    1. +10
      21 March 2019 07: 29
      Quote: Cowbra
      German and Polish

  4. +9
    21 March 2019 07: 15
    The history of the Second World War is being impudently rewritten and even the current generation has been brought up on this "history". Half a month ago, our correspondent in London interviewed passers-by. To the question "who defeated fascism" - the answers are: USA, ... England, and even France. None mentioned the USSR. negative
    1. +11
      21 March 2019 07: 22
      Keitel, when signing the act of unconditional surrender, was also surprised to see the French representative: "How, and France defeated us?"
      I think if a representative of Poland had been invited there, Keitel would have had enough kondraty there.
      1. +4
        21 March 2019 08: 19
        Of course, Keitel’s condratii would have been enough, how could he know that when the Poles took Berlin, the Russians (the Red Army) helped them. He himself has repeatedly heard from the Pole when he served in Poland - both in jest and seriously.
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 19: 38
          Well, yes, the Polish Army Berlin took, and the Soviet helped.
      2. 0
        21 March 2019 08: 54
        He said a little differently: "How, and these same ones won us"? ...............
  5. +5
    21 March 2019 07: 16
    Ours will be invited on September 17th, that day in 1939. The Red Army entered the eastern regions of Poland.
    1. +3
      21 March 2019 07: 29
      May 8 September, November 9 - on these dates, our army took Warsaw.
    2. +3
      21 March 2019 07: 41
      It is precisely on September 17 that they hate us in Poland. In a private conversation, one tried to explain to me that "if it were not for Russia, which stabbed in the back, then England and France could have come to help." I did not begin to disappoint him and remind him of the "help" for the French, which turned into Dunkirk. But, it was also difficult to cover, the fact of the invasion was there and the Poles hoped not for a second coming, and not for aliens ...
    3. +10
      21 March 2019 07: 42
      Quote: varadero
      entered the eastern regions of Poland

      On September 17, there was no longer a state like Poland, since two days before that, the Polish government had fled to London. Therefore, ours entered officially no man's land. Stalin was anyone, but not a fool, waiting for the right time.
      1. +5
        21 March 2019 07: 45
        That's right, therefore, the USSR, in this case, was not an aggressor.
        1. +2
          21 March 2019 07: 48
          It's hard to explain this to camels. Especially in our time, when Russia just looks somewhere, heart-rending cries of "argressor" are immediately heard.
          1. -1
            21 March 2019 09: 21
            It’s hard to explain to camels.

            Vitaly, do not consider it work.
            Why did we get there? Does it have anything to do with railway gauge and steam locomotive?
            1. 0
              21 March 2019 09: 26
              Quote: Kerensky
              Why did we get there?

              Sorry, I didn’t understand you. Where have you climbed?
              1. -1
                21 March 2019 09: 33
                Where have you climbed?
                They climbed into Poland. For grandfather Adolf could not attack us, there was no common border.
                And we and the Germans climbed behind the locomotives and wagons. Poland itself was not particularly needed.
                1. +2
                  21 March 2019 09: 40
                  I explain. Stalin knew perfectly well that war could not be avoided, so he took the opportunity to push the borders of the USSR a little further to the west. Poland itself, of course, didn’t give up. And the first time I hear about steam locomotives. If about a rut
                  1939-1941 in the new Soviet territories, the process of reconfiguration began in 1524, but was not completed. In particular, sections of the Belostotskaya railway, which in 1946 were returned to Poland together with Bialystok, were altering.
                  If it’s quite simple to change the cart at the car, then it’s probably easier for a steam train to make a new steam locomotive.
                2. -1
                  21 March 2019 19: 44
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  And we and the Germans climbed behind the locomotives and wagons. Poland itself was not particularly needed.


                  We did not need locomotives and cars, but an armored train, because there is a walkie-talkie ...
            2. +1
              21 March 2019 23: 49
              [quote = Kerensky] Why did we get there? Does it have anything to do with railway gauge and steam locomotive? [
              The national Polish state was able to retain land with an alien population for only 19 years. Already 28 years after the collapse of the USSR, but the inhabitants of the lands torn away from Poland did not want to return to Poland. Apparently, the results of the Polish campaign responded and are responding to the aspirations of the majority of the inhabitants of the lands liberated from the Polish occupation in 1939.
        2. +1
          21 March 2019 08: 05
          A year ago, I wrote this to one * history expert *. he was even somehow surprised, like I heard this fairy tale somewhere! but he quickly forum users * crammed *!
      2. 0
        21 March 2019 08: 28
        Not in two days, but on September 10 ... And not to London, but to Romania (allied with Germany) ... Where the members of "this government" were interned.
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 08: 38
          They didn’t want to go to Romania, but through Romania, but it wasn’t there. In this case, it is of little consequence. Anyway, the receivers settled in London.
      3. +8
        21 March 2019 08: 29
        Quote: orionvitt
        September 17th, there was no longer a state like Poland

        --------------------------
        At the same time, it was Stalin and Roosevelt in Yalta who attended to the fate of post-war Poland, enlarged it by giving part of the German lands. But ingratitude has no borders. Soviet soldier saved Krakow from the explosion. The Soviet state funded the restoration of Warsaw immediately after liberation. Poland is an ungrateful state.
      4. +5
        21 March 2019 09: 28
        Ours did not enter, but liberated the territory occupied by Poland in 1920.
        1. +2
          22 March 2019 16: 44
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Ours did not enter, but liberated the territory occupied by Poland in 1920.

          This is a significant refinement!
      5. -1
        21 March 2019 14: 42
        On September 17, there was no longer a state like Poland, since two days before that, the Polish government had fled to London. Therefore, ours entered officially no man's land.

        This version was abandoned already in 1941, in the Sikorsky-May agreement.
  6. +4
    21 March 2019 07: 19
    Yes, not really what I wanted.
  7. +8
    21 March 2019 07: 25
    Lyakhi, cho!
    (I have a lot of necessary words that characterize the Poles, but write them down here!)
    Honor shaw at all!
    Zoological, terry hatred of the Russians.
    Let everyone be cut out.
    1. +2
      21 March 2019 11: 06
      Polish nationalism is worse than German. In general, more than half a million Poles fought on the side of fascist Germany.
      1. +3
        22 March 2019 16: 47
        Quote: BerBer
        Polish nationalism is worse than German. In general, more than half a million Poles fought on the side of fascist Germany.

        I met publications, which is almost twice as much.
      2. +1
        22 March 2019 23: 51
        In general, more than half a million Poles fought on the side of fascist Germany.

        Eugene. And how many Poles fought for us? But the gypsies and Tibetans for the Germans? It’s not the Russians who grappled with the Germans, there’s something incomprehensible here!
        Even now we are discussing what? The celebrations of the beginning of the war, to which we were not invited?
        1. +1
          23 March 2019 11: 20
          Of course you are right, but it should be noted that the policy of the elite reflects the mood of most of the population. And about the triumph, it really does not fit into the normal logic.
  8. +6
    21 March 2019 07: 27
    Warsaw accepted, "proceeding not from historical, but from modern realities."
    They have not learned anything ... But does not Poland want to take on part of the blame for the beginning of WWII, otherwise it likes to shift the responsibility onto others. Give Poland corridors for the passage of our troops to the defense of Czechoslovakia, with which, by the way, we had an Agreement of Mutual Assistance, you look and there would be no war later, but Poland was looking for its benefit in the collapse of Czechoslovakia, believing that she was allowed a lot, behind the backs of England and France. But when she herself was "put in an uncomfortable position" and tore apart, then of course she screamed - it hurts, and after all, no one stood up.
    1. -2
      21 March 2019 10: 51
      Give Poland corridors for the passage of our troops to defend Czechoslovakia

      Why didn’t she? We would have rushed to BTshki. And then the T-35 ..... However. It's a shame of course that the Germans first grabbed the Czechs with their boots and tanks. However, we already had paratroopers. Could land, - did not, there was no order.
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      2. 0
        21 March 2019 20: 06
        Quote: Kerensky
        Why didn’t she? We would have rushed to BTshki. And then the T-35 ..... However. It's a shame of course that the Germans first grabbed the Czechs with their boots and tanks. However, we already had paratroopers. Could land, - did not, there was no order.


        Think of yourself as a sophisticated intellectual from history? Your jokes stink ...
      3. +1
        21 March 2019 23: 52
        Quote: Kerensky
        Could land, - did not, there was no order.

        And they would have received a coalition war against Japan, Poland, Germany, Hungary, and possibly Britain and France.
        1. -1
          22 March 2019 10: 35
          And they would have received a coalition war against Japan, Poland, Germany, Hungary, and possibly Britain and France.

          Vladimir We also forgot the Ploiesti oil fields. And this is also an interesting point ....
  9. +13
    21 March 2019 07: 27
    Celebrating the beginning of WWII ("celebrations dedicated to") ...? I have cognitive dissonance! We must grieve, IMHO. And it's good that they didn't invite ... The hyena of Europe, who got "in the face" for her trash essence, invites to the celebration of the beginning of this massacre those who trampled on her and those who "set her up" ...
    1. +2
      21 March 2019 07: 44
      Well, as I understand it, "celebration" is the word from the author. It is unlikely that in the political correctness of Europe it sounds like this.
      1. +3
        21 March 2019 07: 53
        In Europe it will be designated as another "day of reconciliation". Something with something, or someone with someone, or someone with something, in general, does not matter, and only Russia is the eternal "aggressor". Nothing Panov, we see everything, we fix everything, we remember everything, only then don’t cry.
  10. +5
    21 March 2019 07: 28
    Based on this fact, in Russia it is quite possible to initiate the restoration of historical justice and consider the beginning of the Second World War not the invasion of the Nazis in Poland, but day of the invasion of Nazi Germany and its then Polish allies in Czechoslovakia

    It's time: in fact, it is in reality. Only it had to be done 1 2018 October, the-On the day of the 80th anniversary of the occupation by Poland of part of Czechoslovakia, and not wave their fists after ....
    1. 0
      21 March 2019 07: 48
      Quote: Olgovich
      1 had to do it in October, 2018, the day of the 80 anniversary of the occupation of Czechoslovakia by Poland, and not to wave their fists after ....

      After what? .. It would be October 1 only in 2018 year.
      1. 0
        21 March 2019 08: 42
        Quote: Volodin
        Then?

        After the non-invitation for September 1, 2019. It is predictable, by the way
        Quote: Volodin
        Like October 1st only in 2018у

        So he already ....passed request
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 08: 47
          Quote: Olgovich
          So he already .... passed

          I mean, anniversaries seem to be not only 80 years old. For the same 5 years before the next "anniversary", you can prepare a worthy information base
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 08: 50
            Quote: Volodin
            Quote: Olgovich
            So he already .... passed

            I mean, anniversaries seem to be not only 80 years old. For the same 5 years before the next "anniversary", you can prepare a worthy information base

            road spoon to ....
    2. +5
      21 March 2019 08: 24
      By the way, and the Czechs were not invited to these "celebrations"?
  11. +3
    21 March 2019 07: 29
    how quickly it is forgotten how from the world map periodically erased ...
    1. +1
      21 March 2019 07: 39
      Basil! hi let them rejoice that only with the card, under the current realities, it is generally possible to erase physically
      1. +2
        21 March 2019 07: 45
        Roman welcome! hi
        Quote: novel xnumx
        under the current realities, you can generally erase physically

        de jure it seems to appear ... but de facto ??? who is that what is this ???
        1. +1
          21 March 2019 07: 46
          noblemen of the radiation plains ...
          1. +8
            21 March 2019 07: 52
            Evil tongues say that the Poles at the next Eurovision will perform a hokku song, where there will be such words:
            "A stranger came to us, called himself Susanin ...
            Now we hate orienteering ... " laughing
            1. +1
              21 March 2019 09: 32
              here is stupidity - one cannot leave the forest in its wake!
              1. +3
                21 March 2019 09: 41
                You, touches me .... tracks in the swamp? and the fact that stupidity, yes ...
              2. 0
                23 March 2019 00: 06
                here is stupidity - one cannot leave the forest in its wake!

                Novel. Are you talking about the Poles? And Ivan Susanin could simply tell them where the king is. Moreover, the lad Romanov, in general, was not needed by anyone, sitting behind the walls of the monastery with powerful artillery. Wasn't Mikhail sitting with the Poles in the Kremlin under siege? Probably stole that they were looking for him already near Kostroma ....
                1. +1
                  23 March 2019 09: 19
                  Bushkov has his own consistent version ... although he is not liked here
                  1. 0
                    23 March 2019 19: 36
                    Bushkov has his own consistent version ... although he is not liked here

                    Roman, there are many who do not like, and we ourselves are not money, so that everyone likes.
                    I am familiar with the version of Bushkov, but .... there are, as always, more questions. Written letter, petition, whatever you want to call ...
  12. +7
    21 March 2019 07: 31
    At the same time, in Warsaw, the logic of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation was called “problematic”, adding that Poland invites only those who respect the sovereignty of the states of the world and their territorial integrity.


    And this is Poland, a country that actually started WWII on the side of Germany with "measures" to dismember Czechoslovakia. A country that, throughout its history, tried to grab pieces of territory from its neighbors, declaring its exclusivity ... Poland from sea to sea, Rzeczpospolita, a whole series of False Dmitrys, etc.
  13. 3vs
    +8
    21 March 2019 07: 32
    Our answer should be in the form of documentaries, exhibitions and the publication of documents on the Internet about that time, letting this scoundrels, for whom more than 600000 lives of Soviet soldiers was laid, be impossible!
  14. +7
    21 March 2019 07: 33
    We must declare the dates of the "partitions of the Commonwealth" as national holidays.
    "In Polish -
    they put out their eyes
    in a tight
    police elephant -
    from where, they say,
    and what is this
    geographic news? "V.V. Mayakovsky
    1. +2
      21 March 2019 11: 46
      It was always pleasant for the Poles to note that he came from their former capital, to the question from which one he answered: “from St. Petersburg)
    2. +1
      21 March 2019 14: 39
      And everywhere to show a historical artifact - the Polish throne from which Catherine 2 made herself a toilet wassat
  15. +8
    21 March 2019 07: 38
    Well, that happened - a story in a new way, where the United States, with the help of France and Poland, won the Second World War. Say nonsense ?! I agree, but this is for you and me, but for a 15 year old boy from Ukraine it is a fact. Some 15 years later, with such an attitude of those in power to their population and Western "partners", we will be bawled about forgiveness before the "bright west". What to do? I do not know. First, we need to stop lying that everything is fine with us, at least inside the country ...
    1. +3
      21 March 2019 07: 47
      France is in the forefront !! resistors ..
      1. -1
        21 March 2019 11: 20
        Jews and Armenians were the first to "resist" in France, as well as those who fought in Spain on the side of the Republicans. And the French themselves began to "resist" when it was already clear on whose side the scales of the war were leaning.
    2. 0
      21 March 2019 11: 16
      For my daughter 16 years in Kiev, this is not a fact.
      No need to sign for some guy from Ukraine.
      They say we are normal, and some guy in Ukraine, and judging by your logic around the world, are inferior.
      Of course, I exaggerate, but speak for yourself, otherwise you are specifically trying to humiliate other people, which does not honor you.
      1. -1
        21 March 2019 12: 16
        Quote: Fayter
        you specifically try to humiliate other people

        Are you serious ?! After all the quirks of the new Kiev Bandera leadership ?! Have you ever read the article under which my comment is? How is it possible not to invite the successor of the country that broke the backbone of Hitler's Germany ?! If you are so "exaggerated" and own the Internet, read the statements of the current Ukrainian ignoramus on the Internet. I wish you not to "humble yourself" from the historical awareness of these!
        1. 0
          21 March 2019 12: 21
          And here you have studied, as I understand it, the statements of the Ukrainian undergrowth that you are so confidently signing - for some Ukrainian guy 15 years old ???
          I’m specifically for your daughter, and you are spreading your fantasies to all Ukrainian boys for 15 years, deliberately misleading the rest of the readers, saying that I know such an advanced dude, what some Ukrainian guy thinks is 15 years old.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 12: 35
            You are talking nonsense! No one should be misled, it is you that must be taken out of him! Stop the flood! What fantasies can there be when the Polish minister, in full view, declares that 1 Ukrainian front was manned by Ukrainians? And do not find fault with what has been said, you perfectly understand what I had to say!
        2. 0
          21 March 2019 12: 24
          Better watch your "Kolya s Urengoy", and we follow ours, at least my daughter and son know who won and at what cost in WWII and February 23 and May 9 is a holiday for my family.
          1. -1
            21 March 2019 12: 39
            Our "Koli" people in Odessa were not burned and monuments to grandfathers were not destroyed, streets were not renamed with the names of enemies and SS symbols were not painted on shivrons !!!!!
            1. 0
              21 March 2019 20: 20
              Quote: edeligor
              Our "Koli" people in Odessa were not burned and monuments to grandfathers were not destroyed, streets were not renamed with the names of enemies and SS symbols were not painted on shivrons !!!!!


              Our "koli", unfortunately, are capable of more terrible things. They are indifferent. They do not care. And therefore - they don't care ...
        3. 0
          23 March 2019 00: 14
          How is it possible not to invite the assignee of the country that broke the backbone of Hitlerite Germany ?!

          Igor. Let's be consistent. Poland did not invite Russia to the celebrations of the start of WWII? Yes and figs with her! We ended up in Berlin and Warsaw.
  16. 0
    21 March 2019 07: 38
    Despite the indisputably decisive contribution of our Motherland to the defeat of the Nazi Reich and the liberation of Poland from the Nazi invaders, there is no place for Russia in this scheme.
    The Psheks in the new reality, if not paradoxically, support the cause of Hitler and the Western revenge, apparently preparing for the next campaign to the east under the leadership of the United States, although there has been no ideological confrontation for a long time, it all comes down to competition and the old desire to seize Russian resources ... .
  17. +3
    21 March 2019 07: 39
    and the day of the invasion of Nazi Germany and its then Polish allies in Czechoslovakia with its subsequent division under the approval of Western partners from Paris and London
    Indeed, why not? Why September 1, 1939? I never asked this question before. Oh yes, of course, it says "approval of Western partners from Paris and London." As Chamberlain said then, "I brought you peace"?
    1. 0
      23 March 2019 00: 26
      Indeed, why not? Why September 1, 1939? I hadn’t asked this question before.

      Vitaliy. And I asked this question. And I agree with some historians. That's when grandfather Adolf was supposed to start training? When were we supposed to start?
      But if you believe Rezun - Suvorov? Well, just take it and believe it. Then I get it on August 19th. No one else rode the barriers, and the submarines of Germany and the USSR have already reached the areas.
      1. 0
        23 March 2019 00: 32
        Quote: Kerensky
        Well, just take it and believe it.

        Just to take and believe is the lot of believers. Which for faith, do not need anything but fairy tales.
        1. 0
          23 March 2019 00: 45
          Just to take and believe is the lot of believers.

          That is, we just throw out the magazines of German and Soviet submarines? Type uncomfortable ....
          AND! At the same time, we will throw out the railways of the Danube Flotilla and the list of ammunition consumption .....
          1. 0
            23 March 2019 00: 51
            Quote: Kerensky
            shall we just throw out the magazines of German and Soviet submarines?

            Did Rezun-Suvorov tell you this? You have them, these magazines, are they genuine? As well as the "secret part" of the non-aggression pact? And enough to carry any nonsense about the fact that the USSR was going to attack someone there.
            1. 0
              23 March 2019 00: 55
              And stop talking about all the nonsense about the fact that the USSR was going to attack someone there.

              Vitaly. What is there to attack! We've had "liberation campaigns", haven't we? Tell me honestly, yourself. Yes or no? Well, we ourselves admit whom we "liberated", or will we keep silent?
              1. +1
                23 March 2019 01: 11
                [/ quote] [quote = Kerensky] Well, we ourselves admit who we "liberated",

                They "liberated" Bessarabia and the Baltic states, as well as a part of Poland, which was already drawn at that time. And not because it was necessary to "liberate" someone, Stalin had departed from these illusions by that time a long time ago. And purely in practical terms, to push the borders further west. For the imminent war with Germany, no one doubted. Frankly speaking, the Baltic limitrophes, and the rest of the Moldovans, were nothing then, and now nothing. And from the point of view of Hitler, and from the point of view of Stalin, and from the point of view of the modern West, so-so, bargaining chip, dogs that bark when they are given a voice. Just another reason to accuse the USSR (Russia) of violating something there. Great powers make their policies (as the United States is doing now), everything else is secondary. And here the main question arises, and who are you for? If just for the abstract "truth", then you are in another camp. Makarevich and Akhedzhakova, they will tell you everything. And don't forget to repent.
                1. 0
                  23 March 2019 21: 49
                  But exclusively in practical terms, push the borders further west. For in the imminent war with Germany, no one doubted.

                  Vitaliy. But why the hell did we have to move so much of the border? 300 kilometers of the foreground was not enough?
                  And here the main question arises, and for whom are you?

                  For ours? Or for the adversaries? I'm not going to repent
                  Here's what you get?
                  Frankly, the Baltic Limitrophs, and the rest of Moldavians, were then nobody, and now nothing.

                  Have you recorded several million people in "nothing"? Which one of us is a fascist?
                  1. 0
                    24 March 2019 02: 48
                    Quote: Kerensky
                    Which of us is a fascist?

                    Oh, how pathetic. People (as well as peoples) need to be judged by their deeds, and not by the fact of their existence.
                    You have written several million people to nothing
                    And what, Stalin wrote them down as Untermensch? on the contrary, they were accepted on an equal footing, so to speak, into the "family of nations", with all their rights and obligations, respectively. For which they answered with black ingratitude. Frankly lifted up, this democratic nonsense, poisoning the heads of ordinary people and which claims that all people (states) are equal, just because they exist. Nonsense, from start to finish. There are people (nations) capable of great accomplishments, there are simply worthless ones, and there are those from whom others have a constant headache. Tell me honestly, do you equally well treat, for example, an academician, a street prostitute and a repeat offender murderer? If all three of the listed persons, according to yours, are equally "equal", then I am sincerely sorry for you. People often cheat, expressing grandiloquent phrases about some kind of mythical equality (which never existed in nature), but in life they act completely differently, obeying their natural instincts. Any sane parent, for example, will be glad if his child marries (marries) an academician (s), but not a prostitute and a criminal. So any parent who wishes his child happiness, in your opinion, can be safely recorded as a fascist. Even at the most banal everyday level, this whole "theory of universal equality" goes down the toilet. And there is no need to sculpt the old hackneyed liberal bullshit about the fact that in every nation there are "good" and "bad" people. There are such peoples that it would be better if they did not exist. The benefits for humanity are zero, but the dirt is above the roof.
                    1. 0
                      24 March 2019 13: 09
                      There are such nations that it would be better if they were not.

                      Vitaliy. That is, we will cut straight peoples? By genetic markers?
                      1. 0
                        24 March 2019 18: 13
                        Cyril, you still do not understand. In a normal society (company), behave like a person, and no one will say a word to you. But, if you start pretending to be the Lord God (cool pepper), then do not be offended, these are your problems, be prepared that you will be put in your place. For a cunning device, there is always something with a screw. Okay, if you can afford it (like the states, it's hard to fight with them), but if you're nobody, then these attempts are just ridiculous. Especially from such worthless "comrades" as "small but proud peoples". Those who did not even have their own writing, and even one hundred and fifty years ago, no one knew by ear that they were there. But ambition, above the roof, just to the mill of Russia's enemies. hi
              2. 0
                23 March 2019 01: 15
                Quote: Kerensky
                We had "liberation campaigns"

                And at Khalkhin Gol fought with the Japanese, so what? Mongolia annexed, in the sense of conquered?
  18. +4
    21 March 2019 07: 43
    American prostitutes decided to arrange a reception, we were not invited. Why do I react to this at all? I don’t understand, it’s rather a reason for pride.
  19. +11
    21 March 2019 08: 07
    Forgive me, of course, if I hit someone's sensitive strings of the soul.
    The position of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs resembles the behavior of a child who was not invited to someone's birthday: "Well, how is that ?! I gave you to write off, I shared sweets, and you ...."
    Was it really impossible in the rules of high diplomacy to simply ignore this cute brawl between the masters and the serfs? Well, there is no longer international law, nobility, or elementary decency in the world. Why so substitute to receive a contemptuous rebuke from arrogant half-pan-half-slaves?
    1. +2
      21 March 2019 08: 44
      Bravo! absolutely agree with you!
  20. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 15
    Breaking these rules was a feature of the 1939 aggressors of the year, and remains the greatest threat to the world today.

    Remember, remember how Poland annexed part of Czechoslovakia, as Germany and Hungary did, there is no forgiveness to the aggressor!
  21. +7
    21 March 2019 08: 17
    What the Poles have in abundance is the aristocratic ambition and the Polish arrogance. Once they were a great Commonwealth, from sea to sea, but because of their ambition their country was delayed .. sorry, destroyed. Russia is to blame for everything. The current leadership of Ukraine goes the same way. History does not teach anything (degenerates).
  22. +5
    21 March 2019 08: 17
    The USSR has no relation to the beginning of WWII. Because Russia has nothing to do at this event. If only the Germans did not forget to invite.
    1. +4
      21 March 2019 09: 49
      Quite right. Our Memorial Day is June 22nd. In no case should you go, even if you are invited. It is not clear why Putin went to the anniversary of the end of the First World War. "It is not for us, who have experienced the shame of the Brest Peace, to glorify the Treaty of Versailles" Stalin.
    2. 0
      23 March 2019 00: 36
      The USSR is not related to the beginning of WWII.

      It has. We will not dissemble. Alexander, and what did our Danube flotilla do until September 1, 1939? Didn’t we land there and deployed monitors? Do not our helmets on Seret lie? A steel helmet was written off only with the dead soldier.
  23. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 18
    Quote: orionvitt
    As Chamberlain said then, "I brought you peace"?


    Yes, you are just handsome!

    "Statement
    German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop to a TASS official.
    Before leaving Moscow German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop made the following statement to the TASS officer:
    "My stay in Moscow was again short, unfortunately too short. Next time I hope to stay here longer. Nevertheless, we made good use of these two days. The following was found out:
    1. German-Soviet friendship is now finally established.
    2. Both countries never allow interference third powers in Eastern European issues.
    3. Both states want peace restored and that England and France end the completely senseless and hopeless struggle against Germany.
    4. If, however, arsonists take over in these countries, then Germany and the USSR will know how to answer this.
    The Minister further pointed to the agreement reached yesterday between the Government of Germany and the Government of the USSR on an extensive economic program that would benefit both powers.
    In conclusion, Mr. von Ribbentrop said: “The negotiations took place in a particularly friendly and magnificent atmosphere. However, first of all I would like to note exceptionally cordial welcomegiven to me by the Soviet Government and especially by Mr. Stalin and Molotov ". (TASS)." September 30, 1939 https://www.oldgazette.ru/pionerka/30091939/text1.html
  24. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 26
    "Poland invites only those who today respect the sovereignty of the states of the world and their territorial integrity." - and Venezuela showed the opposite. And Poland was generally part of the Republic of Ingushetia before the First World War, and the Second World War is the second act of the First World War. Well, the logic is not glued.
    1. +1
      21 March 2019 08: 44
      In Poland, they are guided not by logic, but by the position of a serf
  25. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 31
    Our Foreign Ministry drove our couple. World War II is not our war. And second ... celebrate the outbreak of war .. are we the losers of the aggressors? No .. our war began on Sunday June 2nd, and ended in May .. you can argue about a specific date.
    Well, let them celebrate their Sabbath there ..
    One thing is bad. In the West, generations who knew the war are leaving .., and new ones see it as a Hollywood movie .. soon a century after another "drag nach Austen" ended .. history shows that the population of Europe is ripening for a new adventure by this time.
    1. +1
      21 March 2019 09: 51
      Our new generation also looks like in Hollywood. There are enough masterpieces. Citadel, Anticipation, T-34 and similar abomination.
      1. 0
        21 March 2019 09: 59
        Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
        Our new generation also looks like in Hollywood. There are enough masterpieces. Citadel, Anticipation, T-34 and similar abomination.

        I doubt it .. Especially Mikhalkov’s products .. it’s more likely for us .., those who remember the USSR.
  26. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 32
    I don’t understand the logic of the Poles, they want to arrange a feast of Russophobia. Yes, and if you recall the celebrations in Paris, it turned out to be inconvenient, not only did Putin arrive later than everyone, having examined the parade system with the appearance of a winner soldier , so Poroshenko was also sorry, Uncle Trump did not say hello, Petya almost cried crying
  27. +1
    21 March 2019 08: 32
    Quote: Tank jacket
    and Venezuela showed the opposite


    Is that what she showed ?! I look at the map, as it was within its borders, and remained.
  28. +3
    21 March 2019 08: 38
    It is unfortunate that the notes and intonations of the offended person are traced in the text of the article. Almost all of Europe collaborated with the German fascists to one degree or another, and the Poles are no exception. Perhaps that is why the victory in the Second World War is not perceived by the Poles as their victory. Such a nation is the eternal enemy of Russia. It is not necessary to be offended by the inadequacy of the Poles, but to brand them for duplicity and predict them another destruction, against the background of their exorbitant conceit and arrogant ambition. But this is my point of view, which does not claim to be the truth, I think so.
  29. +1
    21 March 2019 08: 42
    Poland invites only those who today respect the sovereignty of the states of the world and their territorial integrity

    U.S. Heeled Clown Entree
  30. +3
    21 March 2019 08: 50
    As the tsarist officers in Russia said about Poland, paraphrasing the Polish national anthem = POLAND HAD NOT YET BUT YET BUT ALREADY GIVEN THE SOUL!
  31. +2
    21 March 2019 08: 55
    And sho we forgot there? Poland, as it was unfriendly to us before the war, is looking for the same rake. They think they will be reckoned with. The Germans, British and French betrayed so many times, and then sought protection from us so that we could lose count. Poland is now hoping for friends overseas because afraid, shta europeans will throw out of habit.
  32. +2
    21 March 2019 09: 01
    The main thing is that the policemen from Ukraine and the forest brothers from the Baltic states would not forget. And the whole heinous bunch, under the leadership of England and America, will be assembled for the Sabbath.
  33. +1
    21 March 2019 09: 04
    and what do they mark the beginning of the war? sick or what? I won’t be surprised if they celebrate!
  34. 0
    21 March 2019 09: 11
    Well, they didn’t invite, so what? Well, the Psheks will rise again howling that Germany and the USSR unleashed World War 2 and tear Poland apart ... in general they will start an old song ... not to pay attention and that’s all, but it’s better to react tougher and sharper to such things, as an excuse for the executioners of the Soviet people, as happened in Latvia, for example ... the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has zero emotions
  35. BAI
    -2
    21 March 2019 09: 14
    Why be indignant? Do we have very good (even if just good) relations with Poland? If you quarreled with a person, will you call him to a festive event that you are arranging?
    1. 0
      21 March 2019 11: 14
      The maturity of the state, and of the individual, too, in my opinion, is determined by the fact that at some points in history we must cast aside grievances and disagreements, and look at the events from the only correct point of view. Otherwise, they will consider, and they already believe, that in Poland, in Germany, in Spain and other EU countries the victory on fascism in 1945 is not recognized. Consequently, policies with the governments of these states must be built accordingly.
  36. +3
    21 March 2019 09: 40
    In 1913 such a state "Poland" did not exist. Why was it necessary to create this state? It's easier to build relationships with the Germans.
    1. 0
      21 March 2019 11: 01
      I read it. Propaganda plus imperial thinking distort history, justify the unrighteous.

      Hitler focused on the "living space" for Germany, taking into account the experience of World War I. When Germany had to fight on two fronts, which led to defeat. Therefore, in his plans, he wanted to avoid two fronts. He could not come to an agreement with France and England, as he was going to violate the Munich agreements. And so that England and France, when attacking Poland, could not agree with the USSR on joint opposition to Germany. Hitler seduced the USSR with territorial increments.
      Germany and the USSR concluded between themselves the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact for the partition of Poland and other territories. According to which Germany and the USSR became allies of the attack on Poland. At the same time, half of Poland withdrew to Germany. The USSR is the other half of Poland, as well as the Baltic states and Finland.

      It was under this pact that Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, and the USSR troops invaded Poland on September 17. This is the beginning of World War 2.

      And on September 22, the 29th tank brigade of the Red Army entered Brest, occupied by the Germans. In the afternoon, a joint parade of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army took place. The parade was hosted by General Guderian and brigade commander Krivoshein.



      Later, the USSR began joining the lands allotted to it under the pact. The Baltic countries were faced with the choice of either entering the USSR or the military intervention of the Red Army. The Baltic governments were forced to agree. Finland refused to submit to an ultimatum. And precisely because of this, the Finnish war began, in which the USSR planned easy success, but failed. And the fact that the USSR simply wanted to push the borders is propaganda.

      It was the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact that allowed Hitler, without fear of a stab in the back, to crack down on the troops of France and England in Western Europe. And after the Wehrmacht took Paris, Hitler received a congratulatory telegram from Stalin.

      But the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact for faithful Hitler was only a screen. Intoxicated by easy victories in the West, Hitler in 1941 attacked his USSR ally. But it didn’t work out. Germany did not want a war on two fronts because of bravado and the lack of Hitler’s strategic thinking.
      1. +2
        21 March 2019 11: 30
        I would not like to call it nonsense, but ... Even before the notorious "Pact" the IVS several times offered the Franco-British to sign an agreement on ... well, it is clear what. Those only dragged on. And when the delegation was sent, so the one that did not even have the right to sign. The Anglo-Saxons waited and hoped that by surrendering Austria and Czechoslovakia to the Germans, they would open the way for the Fuhrer to the east. But no, it did not grow together. By the way, Stalin also offered Czechs several times before Munich to provide assistance to up to 50 divisions. Covers went (however, as always) in the wake of Western "friends". And Czechoslovakia was shared not only by the Germans, but also by the Psheks and the Magyars, having bitten off a solid piece. Therefore, the 2nd MV de facto began not from Poland, but from Czechoslovakia. You just need to correctly imagine that a war does not necessarily begin with the clanking of tank tracks. And about the fact that "the troops of the USSR invaded Poland on September 17th. This is the beginning of World War II" - complete nonsense! For some reason, neither Poland, nor Great Britain with France, the USSR, did not declare war on these dates, unlike on September 2, so they understood what was what.
        1. -1
          21 March 2019 11: 45
          I would not want to call it nonsense,

          Give evidence that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was not. That there was no parade. That there was no forced accession of the Baltic states.

          Something neither Poland nor Great Britain with France did not declare war on these numbers, unlike September 1, which means they understood what was happening.

          The Munich Accords left Hitler Austria, the Sudetenland previously captured. But Germany forbade new territorial acquisitions. EXACTLY GERMANY. The USSR was not involved in the Munich agreements and the provisions of the agreement did not apply to it.

          The USSR attacked Poland, but at the same time could not violate the Munich Agreement. Germany attacked Poland violated its signatures under the Munich Agreement. And precisely because of this, France and England declared war only on Germany.

          so they understood what was what.

          In 1939, neither Poland nor England with France understood what was happening. The world only knew that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact strengthens the allied relations between the USSR and Germany. But the world then did not know that in the secret annexes to the pact there is aggression against the countries of Eastern Europe.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 14: 51
            In addition to the pact, there was also a friendship treaty with Germany.
          2. +3
            21 March 2019 18: 13
            Quote: Tarkhan
            USSR attacked Poland
            The USSR entered the eastern territories of Poland without storming and bombing Polish cities, like the Nazis did, and when the state was actually defeated by the Germans, the Polish government fled, and if you recall the acceptability, Poland was once part of Russia, so Hitler and Stalin - two big differences and nothing to put them on one side of the board is wrong, the Anglo-Saxons with their deceitful and dual policies did much more to incite WWII .....
            1. kiu
              -4
              21 March 2019 19: 18
              Quote: Mimoxod
              without storming and bombing Polish cities like the Nazis

              Where then are the losses from? Runny nose?
              Quote: Mimoxod
              when the state was actually defeated by the Germans, the Polish government fled

              In fact, the Polish command gave the order to leave and intern in Romania after the Soviet attack on Poland and its results.
              And before that there was a war between Germany and Poland. And nothing was decided then. And the command of the Polish troops was then in Poland.
              Quote: Mimoxod
              Poland was once part of Russia

              You never know what and when it was. In the 20s, the Riga Treaty was concluded between the USSR and Poland. Only he alone mattered.
              Quote: Mimoxod
              so Hitler and Stalin are two big differences and there is nothing to put them on one side of the board

              It depends on what. In relation to Poland in 1939 they are allies and twin brothers.
              Quote: Mimoxod
              Anglo-Saxons, with their deceitful and dualistic policies, did much more to incite WWII .....

              And Martians are always and always to blame.
              1. 0
                23 March 2019 12: 31
                Do you want the Jews to be guilty ???
              2. 0
                23 March 2019 12: 35
                In fact, the Polish command gave the order to leave and intern in Romania after the Soviet attack on Poland and its results.
                But this is on your part, a juggling of facts, on September 17, when the USSR reached the former borders of Poland, the Polish government was already in Romania .....
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        2. -2
          21 March 2019 14: 50
          Anglo-Saxons waited and hoped that having surrendered Austria and Czechoslovakia to the Germans, they would open the way for the Führer to the east.

          Yeah. And when Hitler went east, England and France declared war on him.
          And after that, the USSR signed a friendship treaty with him and branded the British and French aggressors who attacked Germany.
          1. 0
            21 March 2019 18: 14
            Yeah. dear, why did Hess fly to England ??? England in the war pretended to be at war, abandoned its French allies in Dunkirk, evacuating only the British and showing no resistance to the Hitler, and almost the entire British war with the Americans, they were only waiting for the USSR to fall, pulling to the last with a second front .. ..
            1. kiu
              -3
              21 March 2019 19: 35
              Quote: Mimoxod
              England in the war pretended to be at war

              Britain fought in WW2 to the fullest. You just don’t understand the difference how the native armies fight, how the colonial armies fight, and how the colonialists fight.
              They fight in different ways. And their losses are different. Fundamentally.
              Quote: Mimoxod
              just waiting for the fall of the USSR, pulling to the last with a second front ....

              Perhaps that is why they agreed to accept the USSR in September 1941 into the Anti-Hitler coalition, and from 01.10.1941 they included the USSR in the Lend-Lease program.
              By the way, the Anglo-Saxons opened the second front in Europe in the summer of 1943. Somehow it doesn't look like "to the last".
              1. 0
                24 March 2019 19: 09
                In Anglo-Saxon politics, straightforwardness is always absent and the game always goes both against enemies and against partners ...
            2. -1
              22 March 2019 08: 54
              why did Hess fly to England ???

              probably, then, that he would be immediately imprisoned, and then tried as a war criminal.
              The British did just that, by the way.
              And about the war, so Hitler did not want to fight the British at all, he was ready to make peace with them at any moment.
              And in general, he demanded to immediately end the aggressive war that England and France unleashed against him in 1939. But what is more surprising, the USSR demanded the same thing - read Comrade Molotov’s speech at the extraordinary congress. At the same time, you will learn what the Soviet leadership thought about the struggle against fascism as an ideology.
              And how to fight, they themselves decided it. That war at sea and in the air that they waged was aimed primarily at knocking out the resources of the Nazis.
  37. +2
    21 March 2019 10: 17
    Poles are one of the few who have to repeat several times and who can’t learn their own lessons. When they again reach Germany with their provocations, let them not be surprised at the new meeting of the German Chancellor and the President of Russia and, as a result, their new-old borders.
  38. +1
    21 March 2019 10: 43
    Such events should be held in Japan. World War II began and ended in the Far East. Poland - the hyena of Europe, entered the war in 1938, the seizure of Czechoslovakia and territory.
  39. +1
    21 March 2019 10: 44
    Well then, we will consider EU decisions such as mourning at the beginning of the end of the reign of fascism in Europe, which happened in May 1945 thanks to the victories of the Red Army. If we look at the upcoming Sabbath in Poland from this point of view, then after 10-15 years "funeral events" will be held in Berlin. After all, Berlin was the capital of the Third Reich, of which Poland became a part in 1939, and was called the General Government. And the plans of A. Hitler, the then Chancellor of Germany, were not destined to come true at that time. These plans were built around the defeat and capture of the USSR, the enslavement of Russia, the destruction of Britain, the capture of India and the war with the United States. If, moreover, we take into account that ethnic Germans and Poles have been at the head of the United States for many years (I may be wrong in the ratio, but the ancestors of the former US presidents, as well as the "great friend" of Russia and also a chess player, Z. Brzezinski, come from from these countries and territories), and many US concerns had controlling stakes in the concerns of Nazi Germany at the time of the outbreak of World War II, then a big question arises, was the victory over fascism in 1945 final, and most importantly irrevocable? And isn't everything that is happening in world politics today part of some old old plan? And the Poles, as always in history, were simply forced to pay attention to this.
  40. 0
    21 March 2019 11: 15
    The Psheks themselves are largely to blame for the unleashing of the 2nd MV, when, in October 1938, it overtook the Czech Republic from Czechoslovakia, singing along to Hitler.
    1. 0
      21 March 2019 14: 52
      yes, a little more and Hitler will not be guilty of anything.
  41. 0
    21 March 2019 11: 25
    Poland, it is like that, the lessons of history are not good, but ignorant history punishes, and how! As always, hurry up to the zloty;
    I wrote before, and now I repeat - the next section is coming, it seems the final one.
  42. 0
    21 March 2019 11: 57
    Maybe then the Poles will return to Germany that territory which after WW2 they got thanks to the USSR? And they got as much as 25% of the historical territory of Germany !!!

    And in 1938, the Poles together in Germany and Hungary divided Czechoslovakia among themselves. Our Foreign Ministry should have reminded them of this, as well as the fact that Crimea became part of Russia as a result of the referendum, like Sevastopol, which was never transferred to Ukraine at all, it simply captured it in 1995.
  43. 0
    21 March 2019 12: 25
    In Russia, it is necessary, first of all, to stop the bacchanalia of revising the results of the Second World War, which are organized by some citizens of Russia today. Stop making excuses for Nazis and fascists, including German soldiers and officers who came to our land to kill, rob, destroy, "enter their position", regret, etc. From the latter: on one of the central news portals published a selection of photographs of a soldier of the German army, illustrating his "adventures" during the Second World War, including in the occupied part of Soviet Russia, Belarus, Ukraine. The hand does not rise to copy and propagandize this villainy, but many may not believe me that this is possible. And someone else comments on this, compares ... https://lenta.ru/photo/2019/03/20/archives/
    How can people get to this? And why be surprised if they erect monuments to the Nazis on our land, thereby justifying their crimes. If God wants to punish a person, he robs his mind.
  44. -3
    21 March 2019 12: 34
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    which was never transferred to Ukraine at all, it simply captured it in 1995.


    I’ll just leave it here so that people would just know, and not stupidly believe, outright lies.

    "In 1948, Sevastopol was separated into an" independent administrative and economic center "and" referred to the category of cities of republican subordination ", and in 1954 was actually transferred to the Ukrainian SSR (for more details see the Legal Status of Sevastopol).

    On January 20, 1991, a referendum was held in the city, in which 97% of residents voted for "the status of Sevastopol - the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, a city of union-republican subordination" [60].

    At the All-Ukrainian referendum on December 1, 1991 57% of residents of Sevastopol voted voted for independence of Ukraine (in the Crimean ASSR - 54%) "https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol
    1. -2
      21 March 2019 14: 55
      Sevastopol was not withdrawn from the Crimean region, although the procedure for its financing and subordination was changed.
      It was not an administrative-territorial unit separate from the Crimean region, like Moscow and Leningrad, for example.
  45. +1
    21 March 2019 14: 16
    Oh, our political correctness is already sick of it, this lack of attention as we once again wipe our feet. In response to this, it was necessary to publicly declare that Russia is revising the start date of WWII and its instigators. Declare that WWII began in October 1938 and the Poles are directly guilty of unleashing it, as direct allies of Nazi Germany. It's time to respond to their vile nonsense with the real truth.
  46. +1
    21 March 2019 15: 31
    Quote: Avior
    It was not an administrative-territorial unit separate from the Crimean region, like Moscow and Leningrad, for example.


    I doubt very much that the wiki would have brazenly lied about this.

    "After the collapse of the USSR (1991) and the adoption in 1996 of the new Constitution of Ukraine, Sevastopol, according to Article 133 of the Constitution, was classified as a city with a special status, becoming an administrative unit of the first level (along with the capital of the country - Kiev). It was not included in After the adoption in 1999 of the law on the capital of Ukraine, Sevastopol remained the only city in Ukraine whose mayor (head of the Sevastopol city state administration) was not elected, but appointed by the president of Ukraine. "
  47. +1
    21 March 2019 16: 40
    I was in Poland recently, in Poznan, at work. Lived a week in a family of middle-aged Poles. They were very friendly. And in every possible way they convinced that they relate to the Russian people and Russia well, but they treat badly those who are sitting in the Kremlin, to the leadership of Russia. And that their friends, and most of the Poles, are also related.
  48. -3
    21 March 2019 18: 33
    So the USSR attacked Poland in 39. They shared it with Germany. Therefore, they were not invited.
    1. -1
      21 March 2019 20: 30
      Quote: Alex Justice
      So the USSR attacked Poland in 39. They shared it with Germany. Therefore, they were not invited.


      Stupid, stupid troll ...
    2. +1
      21 March 2019 21: 08
      It’s because of people like you, “breasts” protecting Russophobes-Poles, they became insolent and spit in Russia.
  49. +1
    21 March 2019 20: 29
    I believe that we should already write on the monument in Katyn that Polish officers who were shot dead in the fall of 1941 lie there. Germans, but on the monument that is installed at the crash site in 2010. their government plane that it is a monument to Polish stupidity and arrogance. The path come and worship. And let them throw a stone at me if this is not true ...
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  51. 0
    22 March 2019 04: 00
    We ended it (the war). And the Poles invited those who started, or even took part in, that
    war, and on Hitler’s side. So this is their holiday.
  52. 0
    22 March 2019 08: 27
    It's simple: they CELEBRATE the beginning of WW2. And we CELEBRATE the tragedy of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. All of these gathered, directly or indirectly, were part of Hitler’s troops. The USSR defeated all of Europe. Naglia, who incited Hitler against the USSR, goes there too.
    1. kiu
      -4
      22 March 2019 10: 43
      Quote: Horn
      And we CELEBRATE the tragedy of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War.

      A separate Soviet-German war (also called the Great Patriotic War) lasted from June 22.06 to September 24.09.1941, 2. Then the USSR entered WWXNUMX on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. And this was already another war.
      What does May 9, 1945 have to do with the Soviet-German War of 1941?
      Quote: Horn
      All of these gathered, directly or indirectly, were part of Hitler’s troops.

      What was the USSR doing on September 17.09.1939, 2? Let me remind you that WWXNUMX was already underway at that time. And Poland took part in it then.
      Quote: Horn
      The USSR defeated all of Europe.

      How the USSR fought with part of continental Europe (mainly Germany) can be seen in the Soviet-German War of 1941 (Great Patriotic War). It was very far from victory there. Unattainably far away.
      That is why the USSR On September 24.09.1941, 2, the USSR entered WWXNUMX on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. Because the Bolsheviks understood that if they waged an independent war, they were guaranteed kirdyk.
      Quote: Horn
      Naglia, who incited Hitler against the USSR, goes there too

      Who incited Hitler against the USSR?
      Poland?
      Did you teach geography?
      1. 0
        April 19 2019 07: 56
        It's rare to see such nonsense. And "Naglia" is England. Teach geography.
  53. 0
    22 March 2019 15: 50
    We didn't start the war. We finished it.
  54. +3
    22 March 2019 17: 17
    And somewhere nearby - half a day of flight
    On Aeroflot planes,
    Or maybe more, or maybe less -
    Geishas walk on the islands.

    Much closer - two years
    On Aeroflot planes,
    Or maybe less, or maybe more -
    Putans march around Poland.

    But do not confuse them - confused with a geisha,
    Like peanuts not to be confused with cashews,
    And then there is one reason:
    The messengers in Poland are always men.

    Politician in Poland is always confused,
    And do not let up a confused pan.
    The confused client is well known:
    Tychinkoshtaty - on the Polish pestle.

    For all services, pennies are given,
    They live well in Poland.
    Not a moralist, I am moderately sinful,
    I'm prettier than a Japanese geisha.

    Although, in honor, and in part there
    Traces of stamens in Japanese happiness.
    Some of them are lashes, others are rugs,
    Everywhere pokes overseas lingam.

    And we are in Russia, and this is the beauty:
    For every lingam there is a penis.
    Let this lingam be so brutal
    It’s monopenisoid for us.
    1. 0
      22 March 2019 18: 08
      + Beautiful! Who is author?
      1. +1
        22 March 2019 20: 46
        Quote: Andrei Gurov
        + Beautiful! Who is author?

        Alexander Antarin
  55. 0
    22 March 2019 18: 05
    Clearly we have nothing to do there. They will mourn that they lost the war.
  56. +1
    22 March 2019 18: 47
    Quote: kiu

    How the USSR fought with part of continental Europe (mainly Germany) can be seen in the Soviet-German War of 1941 (Great Patriotic War). It was very far from victory there. Unattainably far away.
    That is why the USSR On September 24.09.1941, 2, the USSR entered WWXNUMX on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. Because the Bolsheviks understood that if they waged an independent war, they were guaranteed kirdyk.


    Amazing nonsense. laughing Do you think that your idle “philosophizing” can change something in the historical chronology of World War II? And the USSR did not “act” on anyone’s side, it itself was “acted”, and much earlier than Stalin counted on. If you are making nonsense and are satisfied with “I just can’t do it”, move on - it’s not every day that you come across such an open clinic here. bully
    1. kiu
      -3
      22 March 2019 20: 36
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Amazing nonsense.

      Oh. What kind of expert has suddenly appeared here?
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Do you think that your idle “philosophizing” can change something in the historical chronology of World War II?

      Actually, I told the story as it was. Without the fantasies of communists from the USSR.
      The whole world knows her like that. Except you.
      Quote: Sea Cat
      And the USSR did not “act” on anyone’s side,

      I just joined. But he didn’t join just like that, the Anglo-Saxons didn’t just accept him like that. I had to sign a lot of things before this. For example, the Sikorsky-Maysky agreement dated sometime in July 1941.
      There, by the way, the USSR refused territorial acquisitions under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Those. from what he acquired as a result of the “Polish campaign of 1939.”
      Quote: Sea Cat
      he himself was "performed"

      Don’t confuse WW2 and the Soviet-German War of 1941. These are different things.
      ---
      And here’s a question for you, Mr. Expert, what war in Europe ended on May 8, 1945? What was it called?
      1. 0
        22 March 2019 23: 26
        Carbine, our site treasure, has surfaced again, dear? Congratulations on your arrival! What do you mean, do you think I’m going to quarrel with you here and pound water in a mortar? You will not get it. To communicate with you, you need special medical training, but I don’t have it. fool
        1. kiu
          -2
          23 March 2019 12: 07
          Quote: Sea Cat
          You will not get it.

          Sly, parasite. He understands that the question is not as simple as it seems at first glance. And the first question will be followed by the second. Which, based on Soviet mantras, he will not be able to answer.
          1. 0
            23 March 2019 17: 06
            Carbine, you always had problems with your upbringing. It is indecent to speak about those present in the third person. Watch yourself. Be rude to someone again and they will “clean you out” again, and without you it will be boring. good
  57. 0
    22 March 2019 21: 49
    Based on this fact, it is quite possible to initiate the restoration of historical justice in Russia and consider the beginning of World War II not the invasion of the Nazis in Poland, but the day of the invasion of Nazi Germany and its then Polish allies into Czechoslovakia with its subsequent division under the approval of Western partners from Paris and London.
  58. 0
    22 March 2019 22: 57
    Putin was not invited to the 60th anniversary of the opening of the second front and the Foreign Ministry did not blather, they wiped themselves out.
  59. 0
    22 March 2019 23: 01
    Well, Russia (USSR) had nothing to do with the beginning of WWII. So what is the offense of our comrades?
  60. A.
    0
    23 March 2019 00: 25
    Quote: GKS 2111
    "Apparently, the Polish authorities are ready to bow before those with whom they hope to grab a" piece "and for themselves, as it was in 1938."
    Hyena of Europe. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. Churchill was right.

    The Poles, like many proud gay European nations, though also no less years old Japanese samurai, respect the licking of the American master's ass. Yeah, well, to each his own. Every nation has its own calling.
  61. 0
    23 March 2019 05: 52
    Psheki in your repertoire! Memory is short, however!