Pushkov: Kiev would give NATO naval base in Sevastopol

In Russia, commented on the statement of Petro Poroshenko that after the presidential election, he "will return the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Kiev." Recall that, commenting on his own statement, Poroshenko announced “non-military methods of return”: putting sanctions pressure on Russia and lawsuits. Russian Senator Alexei Pushkov, who is known to be an active Twitter user, responded to the words of Petro Poroshenko. In the microblogging, Pushkov noted that the goal of Kiev is to return the Crimea and Sevastopol is important only in terms of transferring objects of the peninsula to the needs of the US Army (NATO).

Poroshenko with Volker and Jovanovic (US Ambassador to Ukraine) on board an American warship in Odessa

Alexei Pushkov пишет:

NATO offered Russia "to return control of the Crimea to Ukraine." In other words, I suggested transferring Crimea and Sevastopol under the control of the alliance itself (...) the first thing Kiev would do if Crimea did not go to Russia — it would transfer the naval base in Sevastopol to the US / NATO. But it will not work.

After this reply from the senator, the subscribers of his page offered to react less to the statements coming from the West or from the territory of Ukraine.

Indeed, the main reaction to the bloody coup in Kiev by Russia has already been demonstrated. These days that reaction is already five years old. This is a reunion of the Crimea and Sevastopol with Russia, which in itself has crumpled all Western plans for Ukraine. Now, the only thing that remains the same for NATO led by the United States is to make constant anti-Russian statements and trick the sanctions.

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[cniza]

Pushkov: Kiev would give NATO naval base in Sevastopol

And no one would ask Kiev, everything has already been decided there.

[Spartanez300]

The information is not new, and therefore everyone knows. Firstly, this is historically the territory of Russia, secondly, having previously known that NATO could settle in Crimea with the help of a farmer and this could not be prevented from riding on top of idiocy, since the peninsula is still very important for Russia from a strategic point of view. And most importantly, our people living there could be under the rink.

[Tatyana]

Victor!
I wanted to answer you what was written on you.

Quote: Spartanez300

The information is not new, but because everyone knows .

However, the program always gives out your initial version, which you later edited in abbreviated form. And this one initial I like the option more.

Quote: Spartanez300

The information is not new, and therefore everyone knows. Firstly, this is historically the territory of Russia, secondly, having previously known that NATO could settle in Crimea with the help of a farmer and this could not be prevented from riding on top of idiocy, since the peninsula is still very important for Russia from a strategic point of view. And most importantly, our people living there could be under the rink.

And what about the fact that, in your opinion, "The information is not new, but therefore everyone knows " .
one can argue that on Twitter some, especially in the West, hear or begin to hear about it EXACTLY for the first time.

So Pushkov - well done! He well understands the role of the Western media as an informational zombie of the population in the interests of the USA / NATO and is constantly struggling with this in favor of Russia for peace and against war.

[Baloo]

Quote: cniza

Pushkov: Kiev would give NATO naval base in Sevastopol

And no one would ask Kiev, everything has already been decided there.

together with biological laboratories

[KCA]

Did someone think differently? Pushkov straight lifted everyone's eyelids

[MoJloT]

Did someone think differently?

The US thought differently, Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko from 91 persuaded the United States to stay in Ukraine, and now they are persuading. If there was any benefit to the United States in this, they would have settled there during the time of the BN.

[major147]

Poroshenko announced the "non-military methods of return"

I have just read Poroshenko's "methods". Strong thing! Stronger than Goethe's "Faust"! The Crimeans, having learned about them, climbed into the zagashniki for trident passports and hryvnias hidden for a rainy day. The Russian Federation began in three shifts to complete the construction of the railway part of the Crimean, fearing reprimand from Poroshenko for laziness. The criminals, whom the Russian authorities brought to the peninsula in thousands, quickly gathered back to Siberia, because there is no place for them with their inclinations in the "Country of the victorious Bandera law and order." And other, other, other ...
But I'm not talking about that now. I am concerned about one question: "What strength kept him from applying his" methods "for five years of his reign. That is the question of questions!

[bessmertniy]

In general, the statement of NATO is somewhat unclear. Since when have the military of this military lock been scattered with statements that should determine the political structures of the West? Are the prerequisites for establishing a military dictatorship in the EU created by such statements !?

[Wedmak]

The hegemon felt that his hegemonic chair was reeling, and Russia and China were quietly helping him. Where the file is filed, where just kick. That is why, at first, they began to impose sanctions from scratch, and when it didn’t really help, they switched to threats and blackmail. And there are feelings that these are still flowers - more than 800 US military bases around the world have not yet made themselves felt.

[Tatyana]

Quote: bessmertniy

Are these statements not created prerequisites for establishing a military dictatorship in the EU!

The prerequisites for establishing a military dictatorship in the EU have long been there!
Moreover, these prerequisites in the EU are even being realized there for a long time both in the form of the expansion of NATO (the Pentagon) to the East close to the Russian borders, and in the form that the people and governments of the EU countries there long ago did not ask Washington / Pentagon .

[New Year day]

long known fact. Here is just one question, is the NATO base near Kharkov better?

[Mestny]

Better than near Kharkov and Sevastopol together.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mestny

Better than near Kharkov and Sevastopol together.

obviously for you. For me, so that they weren’t anywhere

[Hagalaz]

Naturally, there is nothing good for us at the NATO military base near Kharkov. But the strategic importance of control over the Crimea and therefore the Black Sea is much higher.

[New Year day]

Quote: Hagalaz

But the strategic importance of control over the Crimea and therefore the Black Sea is much higher.

It’s not the Black Sea, but the accessibility of the Middle East. The Black Sea itself is not relevant.

[Hagalaz]

However, you wrote! Naturally, we are not considering the World Cup here as a miracle of nature. And as a key to something. For us, this is a BV, as you rightly noted, and generally access to the Mediterranean Sea. And for Americans, the way is for expansion to the entire south of Russia. So, for us, this is also a defense, carried far into the sea.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Hagalaz

But the strategic importance of control over the Crimea and therefore the Black Sea is much higher.

It’s not the Black Sea, but the accessibility of the Middle East. The Black Sea itself is not relevant.

If only for you ...

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

Here is just one question, is the NATO base near Kharkov better?

Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen.

[Prisoner]

Therefore, the United States and the Yesbashi have been screaming for a year about the "annexation" of Crimea. Such a plan was broken off by the "elves" by the "Russian" barbarians, and the tidbit was so close. ABIDNA Listen, they didn’t even let me touch it.

[Hagalaz]

The insult is even stronger, just because the hohlyandiya "allowed to touch"

[Lucky_bard]

The very existence of Ukraine is already a disaster for us.

[Mestny]

For whom for you? USA?

[New Year day]

Quote: Mestny

For whom for you? USA?

immediately obvious, bastard of affairs in Ukraine!

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Mestny

For whom for you? USA?

immediately obvious, bastard of affairs in Ukraine!

How are you? Happy?

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

How are you? Happy?

how can one be happy from this? Joy inadequate only

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

How are you? Happy?

how can one be happy from this? Joy inadequate only

I watch you "distribute" characteristics to all. Who is crazy, who is not. That is why I am interested. Watch yourself.

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

I watch you "distribute" characteristics to all. Who is crazy, who is not. That is why I am interested. Watch yourself.

I answer the questions posed to me. Don't learn to live

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

I watch you "distribute" characteristics to all. Who is crazy, who is not. That is why I am interested. Watch yourself.

I answer the questions posed to me. Don't learn to live

Are born the same. I repeat again. Do not give the characteristics.

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

I repeat

Do you know the direction of movement?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

I repeat

Do you know the direction of movement?

You are more familiar. there

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

You are more familiar. there

judge by yourself, you have seen more than once. Adieu

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

You are more familiar. there

judge by yourself, you have seen more than once. Adieu

So you wrote about it. You are our familiar.

[Former Russian]

And what do you teach everyone? Follow yourself, and then you’ll give some other advice to the wise guy!

[Lucky_bard]

Who else should be indignant at the split of the Russian people?

[YOUR]

It’s just interesting if anyone knows or suggests how they would circumvent the Montreux Convention.
Any assumptions are interesting, except for abusive

[Rakovor]

The Montreux Convention is relevant only for ships, and on the shore you can place anything you want. Yes, and ships, at first, can be maintained on a rotational basis. And then the staff members came up with something, up to changing or even canceling the convention, they’re the master at that.

[YOUR]

We are talking about a naval base.

[Rakovor]

But what, does the naval base have no coastal infrastructure? And the talk, in general, was not about one base, but about the Crimea as a whole, and the fact that it can accommodate a lot of things. As for the notorious convention, look at the nuclear deal with Iran or the INF Treaty, and everything will become clear. But maybe not for you.

[YOUR]

There is. But it’s too expensive to maintain the marine part. In my opinion, you customize the answer to the desired.

[Rakovor]

What do I customize? Breaking a nuclear deal or INF Treaty? When the States need it, they will break any treaty and wipe their feet about any convention. There is still the Monroe Doctrine, you can recall the US non-intervention in the affairs of the eastern hemisphere, and how it all ended.

[YOUR]

I didn’t understand the breakup of some nuclear deal and the INF Treaty, with the occupation of the Sevastopol naval base? Do not forget that we signed a lease agreement with Ukraine for the Sevastopol naval base until 2042.
Ukrainians began to blackmail us, get them out of here, we discount them on gas.
And most importantly, what is the evidence that they wanted to give the base to the Americans? Except for yes, they are not capable of such any.
So I ask the question in the hope that someone will dig up some specifics.

[Rakovor]

Who are you with? With a president who was forcibly overthrown? And you want to say that the new government will abide by all the old treaties. Do not tell my slippers and do not be so naive, to say the least.

[YOUR]

Those. as I wrote above, apart from unconfirmed assumptions, there are no other reasons to think so.

[Rakovor]

This you have no confirmation, for who are you? An ordinary person, like me. Do you have access to GRU data? And this is the art of "big politics" to work proactively and not on the fact of what happened. If you stick to the second rule, you will always be in "opera".

[YOUR]

I don’t understand what you mean, but let it be so.

[Hagalaz]

If Ukraine were without territorial problems, then it would vividly end up in NATO. Surely within this framework it was already easier. Well, when it came to a mess, it wouldn’t be to conventions. Something like this.

[major147]

Quote: YOUR

It’s just interesting if anyone knows or suggests how they would circumvent the Montreux Convention.
Any assumptions are interesting, except for abusive

Just "put" would.

[demo]

If Poroshenko hadn’t existed, he would have to be invented (Y. Kedmi).
But right, Yasha, all 100%.
For for us, Russia, its leaders and those feeding in power, such a wonderful object for response.
And only the lazy on this subject did not get enough sleep.
From the topic - Ukraine, Poroshenko, Avakov, Parubiy - already sick.
But even more sick of the fact that figures like Pushkov, fall to the level of the local contingent.

[Alexey-74]

It is even unnecessary to discuss something here, everyone understands the obvious by the "legal sauce" of the West, which is simply furious (especially the United States) that Crimea and Sevastopol have sailed to Russia .... and then yip as much as you like.

[Lelek]

Quote: Alexey-74

Here it is even unnecessary to discuss something, everyone already understands the obvious under the "legal sauce" of the West, which is simply furious (especially the United States) that Crimea and Sevastopol have sailed to Russia .... and then yip as much as you like.

Hello, Alexey, and my "bravo" to you.
It is useless to argue in the subjunctive mood, CRIMEA AND SEVASTOPOL - RUSSIA and the goat-bearded Sam will never be here. But another pleases - Crimea is non-volatile, one more tick in the planned register.

[Simferopol]

Broke p.ndosov

[Nibiru]

It is necessary to pick up Odessa as soon as they complete the naval base. Better yet.

[beeper]

It was, of course, the secret of Polichinel - I learned about this, the real steps of the Fashington forces to place their structures in the center of Sevastopol within the framework of the "Ukraine-NATO program", in mid-2013, when the stupid "Euromaidan" still did not stink (except "the stench" of the future Fuhrerkas - "Maidan tritushek" - the awkward "trinity" of "fabulous diots (apt description of them by the African American Barack Obama immediately after a personal meeting)" w / Bandera-like, who freely traveled and held meetings throughout Ukraine with extremist "appeals" under a common "went out" - "Rise up Ukraine!")!
The strategic importance of the naval base in the Crimea, I hope, to most readers, is quite understandable, as well as the fact that Novorossiysk, due to its location and exposure to its water area to a destructive forest, is not very suitable for basing the main forces of the Russian fleet ?! As well as the fact that the fascinating strategists took into account the "naval lessons" of their provocative Georgian sortie on 08.08.08 and after this "failure" of theirs were closely concerned with "leveling" the Russian Black Sea Fleet and taking a strategic position in the Black Sea region ?!
Everything should have happened quite legally, without noise and dust, first to the pro-American NATO ships (and they ALL are like this since the "independence" - these are only "stoned iodine-deficient" marginals could believe that Janek was a "pro-Russian president" , despite all the obvious fact of "getting him a label for the presidency" in Washington! ) the government of Yanukovych-Azarov would have been allocated a "leased place" in the Sevastopol Bay, and the NATO structures, the buildings they indicated on the territory of the city of Sevastopol and in its environs, the objects of the first stage, were "agreed" and in the summer of 2013 they were repaired and equipped under the pretext of "humanitarian a gift from the American authorities to the local Ukrainian authorities "... (the fact that a Turkish protectorate would be established in the rest of Crimea was also obvious, it was not for nothing that" Sultan "Erdogan was so angry about" Crimea is our "- because under the Ukrainian government (every year everything weakening, almost exponentially towards the growth of the dominance of the misanthropic and mega-destructive Bandera "ideology"!), the Crimean peninsula was practically "in the pocket" of the Turks and the Saudis and was nourished by them in every possible way - "Hizb ut-Tahrir" and other such mega-extremist " organizations "felt at home - their emissaries were just running around, not hiding, and local, Crimean, Turkomans were trained and recruited into not only with the Russian population of Tavria, but in Chechnya, Afghanistan and the Middle East, and even now the arms and drug traffic from Turkey was blocked ?!)!
And then, in the same quiet glanders, as the VFYa and NNA usually did everything, the Russian K (or is it in the bourgeois RF no longer the Red Banner ???) Black Sea Fleet, ships and auxiliary vessels, personnel and coastal infrastructure, in Crimea from all parties would "implicitly" spread rot and be besieged economically and morally-psychologically-all sorts of Turkoman and Bandera extremist organizations would be activated, cut and intimidate Russian servicemen and their families, extremists, "protected" by Washington and Kiev, would organize resonant bloody provocations with "rape and murder" by a Russian sailor "of Tatar and Ukrainian girls (like the scenario worked out by the Americans, headed by an American citizen, the crowded" Vradiyevskaya pass "against" police arbitrariness ", and the mega-clear" murder of an Armenian family by a Russian soldier "and the murder of Russian soldiers in Armenia from the same row!) "With nationalistic" debates in the Verkhovna Rada "and angry" support from to the public "... the result of this" fuss "was also quite predictable -" displacement "- the shameful expulsion of the Russian Black Sea Fleet long before the end of the lease term, it would have happened even if Yanukovych would have stayed on a" friend cadence "and Russia, at the expense of Russian taxpayers - gratuitous loans, would support him with the Judeo-Mazepa camarilla of "the improvers of my life already today" in power! ...
By the way, immediately after "Crimea is our" there was a not weak "debriefing" of the Fashington leadership with the American military intelligence, from the then "leaks" - completely unpredictable for such a decisive "surge of Russian military activity in the Crimea"! Honestly, I was also surprised by such a belated, downright feverish, hyperactivity (usually sleepy-"ambivalent" in Ukrainian affairs and decades-long violation of the rights and freedoms of "Russian compatriots" - the unprincipled Pan Gazovik even played along with his red-haired Russophobic friend on the accordion, about Zurabka-poroshenko's companion and no words ...! The only one who "raised his voice" for the Russians, officially laying siege to the Turkoman extremist from the "Mejlis" who scorned over a traveling exhibition in memory of I.V. Stalin and the USSR was the Russian Crimean consul, who was immediately "anxiously" recalled to Moscow, he has not returned ...) of the Russian leadership, when the "roast cock ate" everything and everyone! A little more and if only they "wiped themselves off" to the fullest, well, all the same they "woke up", and the winners are not judged!
Fashington made a chain of mistakes, starting with their appointment and their stupid activity (obviously stupid, probably, like those in the State Department who selected him for this "mission" ??! ) Vicegerent Geoffrey Pyatt, his incorrect assessment of the socio-political situation in the host country and the bet "on the wrong people", and this pulled along with everything else ... which now makes, "relaxed" from imaginary "omnipotence", insidious overseas neo-colonialists "bite their elbows" and annoyed at, only slightly faster, their strategic competitors, whom they already "discounted" - they did not take into account, not at all expecting from the Russian authorities such "zealous agility" and "transcendental decisiveness" under the threat of mortal danger ?!
Now the turn of the Russian leadership is not to calm down and not relax, think and act in advance, not allowing the enemy to seize the initiative and impose his will, for our common enemy is strong, mean and insidious!

[Dart]

It’s a bit messy, but it’s so ...

[beeper]

Quote: Dart

It’s a bit messy, but it’s so ...

It was written in the working environment, on the knee, in the industrial noise, in a swift way ... there was no time for "literary processing", comrade Dart
In Sevastopol and Crimea, Russian counterintelligence and anti-terrorism still have work and work, especially on "moles" and "bookmarks" ... everything has been so neglected there over these decades of Americanoid turkobanderization ...

[NF68]

Probably.