How will space be divided in 2024?

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I will begin with a term that is not at all cosmic, but is known to every Russian. And I am sure that for 97% of the population there is nothing positive in this term.

Privatization is the process of changing property relations when a state enterprise is transferred to other forms of ownership, including collective, joint-stock and private.



The term is quite earthly, but here's the catch: as the media told us, the Trump administration announced its intention to privatize its part of the International Space Station. Resource station is coming to an end, and after 2024, the ISS funding for NASA is scheduled to stop.



The idea is not new at all, but today the ISS has two further paths: either a bulge to the Pacific Ocean, a classic one, or ...

Or a private space station will appear in orbit.

The most interesting thing is that the queue of those who want is not exactly lined up to Cape Canaveral, but it is. The first, of course, was Ilon Mask, whose ambitious plans require a supporting platform in space.

The second was Jeff Bezos, the notorious owner of "Amazon", whose finances and plans quite allow to join the space race for spending money and other pleasures.

But Mask and Bezos are men more than serious, and therefore, as recent events show, they have enough ambitions, money, personnel, and good luck.

However, let me say that there, in space, together with the ISS, the Russian part of the station is also hanging out. Which, I'm sorry, is not subject to US privatization.



It turns out that the same situation is with our stub!

In general, with our part the plans are the most Napoleonic. Either undock and on the basis of this segment build a new orbital station, or something else. In general, they are already skipping, as always, in our Rogozin style: why do we need all this, we will build a station on the Moon and near it! In 2150, but let's be it!

Meanwhile, even on our piece, too, there is a wish!

The situation is interesting and peculiar. Americans with us are not eager to cooperate in the future, they say, undock your and crawl away. We might be glad, but the Russian part is about nothing. This is a temporary stay station, not more than that. There it’s simply not possible now to engage in full-fledged research, since we do not have a full-fledged scientific module at our disposal. But this will be the following material.

But there is another point. Since there are really willing to take Russian modules for rent on a long-term basis. There is a company that, by analogy with the Americans, wants to rent and create as much as the orbital cosmodrome. And to begin with the rent of the Russian segment of the ISS.

This is known to fans of the space theme company "S7 space transportation systems", known as the owner of the Launch Space Launch Center, story which is interesting and instructive.

In a nutshell: the United States abandoned the Sea Launch back in 2009, when the Sea Launch Company consortium collapsed. “Roskosmos” tried to sell the Sea Launch to various potential buyers, and as a result the complex went to private individuals. The CEO of S7 Group, Vladislav Filyov, could be congratulated on a promising acquisition. 17 April 2018, the S7 Group became the owner of the Sea Launch.



However, the subsequent collapse of relations with Ukraine almost put an end to the “Sea Launch” (hereinafter MS for short). The MS was designed to work with the Zenit launch vehicle, which was produced including Yuzhmash ...

It seems that the project is doomed. There can be no Ukrainian components, respectively, there is no launch vehicle. Yes, RSC Energia promises a certain “Soyuz-5”, but this is such a thing ... not a short one.

And in order not to repeat the fate of the first owners of the MC, the company decided to speed up the moment of the first launch from the offshore platform. Promise at the end of the year 2019. Let's see, right?

But ... "Zenith"?

Yes, "Zenith". Yes, Yuzhmash. Well, we are not able to make a rocket today, what to do. We still have to cooperate with the Ukrainians.

As Sergey Sopov, General Director of S7 Space Transport Systems, told in an interview with Izvestia, the launch vehicle will turn out to be international. "Yuzhmash" is already working in full on 12 kits for assembling the Zenit. Moreover, using the old reserve, two RNs will be available this year.

Yes, 80% Russian-made missiles. This is a fact that we do not dispute and enjoy this wonderful moment. But, alas, without Ukrainian 20% RN will not fly. This is sad, but nonetheless.

The first-stage engine of the RD-171, the second-stage combustion chamber, the control system and much more is being assembled at the Russian plants of the Roscosmos system.

But what about politics? After all, our relations with Ukraine, to put it mildly, are none.

Well, help out again ... USA!

Ukrainian components travel by sea to the United States. Russian components travel by sea to the United States. Further, in the US, the launch vehicle is assembled, loaded onto the marine complex and sent to the starting point. From California, because it is closer.

Actually, the USA as an assistant-peacemaker is so-so. However, the current helmsman Mr. Trump is so in favor of profit in any of its manifestations that it may well burn out.

Well, “Sea Launch” - this is understandable, what to do with the ISS?

If you focus on the plans of the space agencies of different countries, then everyone is eager to build a station in circumlunar orbit. Not quite clear why, but everyone wants.

It is clear that this is not a simple, costly and long. It is one thing to bring, for example, a residential module into a near-earth orbit, another thing is to deliver to the near-moon and to assemble there.

And it is possible (according to Sopov) to make something like a warehouse complex and an assembly site on the basis of MS. Display modules in the old fashioned way, assemble them, and then transport them to the Moon.



It turns out that in the presence of a production-assembly space infrastructure in the near-earth orbit, there is no need to create super-expensive super-heavy rockets to launch interplanetary ships and probes.

They can be assembled from smaller modules directly on or near the ISS. And the crews first deliver to the station, carry out adaptation to the conditions of space, and then deliver to the area of ​​the moon and from there transport it to a ship that flies, say, to the moon.

In general, it will be pretty much more economical. And safer.

Any trouble will be much easier to eliminate, rotating above the Earth, at an altitude of just 400 km, rather than over the Moon, to which, as we know, is also almost 400. Only thousands of kilometers.

Naturally, there will be a place for scientific research.

It seems that “Bolivar will not sustain two,” that is, NASA and Roskosmos simply do not have the strength and resources for such a program. The budget is a finite thing, but the development and study of the infinite Universe requires just infinite investments.

And in this way, the desire of the American and Russian space agencies not only to get rid of the old orbiting station (operation started in 1998), but also to make money, becomes clear.

Fortunately, there are Masks, Bezos and Filev, ready to grab the shaky flag of humanity on the road to space.

Strange, of course, but really, as practice shows, it is the entry of private capital into the space industry, private initiatives, people whom the state has not accepted into the system for some reason, can be a huge impetus for taking the whole space system to a new level .

Returning to the Russian segment of the ISS, which, seriously, is just a residential module and three docking modules. That's all. Yes, someone wants to correct about “Dawn”, alas, what the ISS started with is considered a module of the Russian segment, but it belongs to NASA. So the "Dawn" is likely to remain in the US segment. Well, if only on the cheap will not give up.

But even with Zorya, the situation is so-so. In fact - a transport hub, but not a space laboratory.

But - exactly what the guys from S7 need.

By restoring the Sea Launch system itself and having received a cheaper orbital method of putting satellites and cargo into orbit, S7 is perfectly able to lease and ensure the operation of the station. So, at least, say the responsible persons of the company.



In any case, here you have to be three hands in favor: let at least something remain. Hopes for the execution of Rogozin's fairy tales about flights to the Moon and the construction of lunar tractors by a series are not enough for some reason.

An interesting picture, right?

First, the cosmos ceased to be Soviet. Then we and the Americans had to make room, and the cosmos became international. Obviously, the time is not far off, and that there is not far off, they actually come when private companies actually come into space.

And here begins quite funny things.

Without becoming personal, I will note that people like Mask or Filev are perfectly able to attract at least as good brains as they work in state corporations. And pay for it more. Because it is their money.

Moreover, I understand that in case of success Filev will simply take the best and pay them more. And there is no need to shout for patriotism, patriotism is good when you have a salary, and not ridiculous.

Filev and Sopov do not need to shake that their budget will not stand. Maybe they are also tied to private traders, but the way they did when we tried to build the Vostochny cosmodrome, it’s obvious that the victory of the state “behind a clear advantage”. So, as they steal from us, I am sure, they do not steal anywhere else.

I'm talking about government agencies, of course.

Mask and Bezos are Americans, everything is clear there, and it is worth looking at them, since they are clearly ahead now. It is in terms of personnel and other things, but capitalism and private property are here in the US for a long time.

But I hope that such times will come here too, when non-state engineers, designers, assemblers, programmers, cosmonauts will appear, let's say.

Specifically, our state today is not able to provide the country with a confident program of space exploration. We lose one position after another. For some reason, today we are unable to create a ship, a launch vehicle, an orbital station. That is something that others could easily and naturally.

The ground created by Korolev and his team, unfortunately, is over. Well, enough for 50 years, low bow and cherished memory!

But after all over the past 30 years we have not created ANYTHING !!!

What for? UR-500 of the great Chelomey (which is “Proton”) flies from 1965 of the year, with some modifications, the ship “Soyuz” of the great Queen flies from 1967 of the year, also with minimal changes in the design. Why change something, if it is still well paid for those who want to fly into space?

No, of course, I hope (quite sincerely) to see at least one project of the great Rogozin implemented. "Angara", Vostochny Cosmodrome, "Federation". Anything.

Just recently RIA "News"Issued a stunning report.

The route for launching spacecraft to the ISS from the Vostochny cosmodrome is open..

“The route for launching Soyuz-2 launch vehicles from the Vostochny cosmodrome, which can be used for launching manned and cargo spacecraft into orbit of the International Space Station, has been opened. This is stated in the document available to RIA Novosti "Alfa Insurance" - one of the companies that insure Russian space launches and satellites.

Until now, ships to the ISS were sent only from Baikonur. To launch launches to the ISS from Vostochny, it is necessary to modernize the technical and launch facilities of the cosmodrome. ”


On the one hand, it seems like peremoga. It is completely incomprehensible how this - “opened a new route”? Fresh asphalt laid or cut the ribbon?

Of course not. As I understand it, they simply prepared a mathematical calculation of the course, nothing more.

But the key point is that the new modern cosmodrome already requires modernization. The technical and launch complex is still not complete for three-quarters of the cosmodrome.

Well, laughter and zrada at the same time.

No, at a pace, perhaps, we can only observe the development of the Russian budget and study the black hole into which everything falls.

Although, perhaps, by the combined efforts of Renault and Nissan, the car industry’s hole under the abbreviation TAZ (the Togliatti Automobile Plant) still plugged. And even disc brakes on the type of "domestic" cars began to appear. In the luxury trim, but have the same?

So in terms of space, it is worth giving private organizations the opportunity to take part in its development. Let people invest money, brains, skills, let them profit from this. Why not?

Because yes, I want to see not the shaman dances of Rogozin with the “Federation” in one hand and “Angara” in the other. I want to see Russia, as before the USSR, a leading space power, and not a cab driver for everyone.

I really hope that S7 will succeed. What they will get is not something, but what is needed, and in full. For some reason, there is no desire to wait for miracles from Roscosmos.

And space will really have to be divided into zones and spheres of influence. From this not go anywhere. But not in Russian and Chinese, but in private and state.
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  1. -10
    18 March 2019 05: 46
    Not an article, but a howl ....
    1. +11
      18 March 2019 06: 13
      Don’t say ... with such fanfare we launch missiles with the Americans and with the same fanfare we destroy our own rockets with satellites for Russia ... sabotage ... it feels like everything that is aimed for the good of Russia is deliberately destroyed.
    2. +7
      18 March 2019 06: 16
      As usual with Banshee recently. request
      As for the sale of our part of the ISS S7, then with two hands for. For one simple reason - she's not needed in FIG for many years. It will not bring any valuable research even with the "Science" module. There is no practical benefit in this form from it and is unlikely to appear. The day is not far off when she leaves behind Mir station. If a private owner can make something out of it? For example, a space hotel or a laboratory with really interesting research - then the flag is in his hands. good
      As for the Zeniths, then everything is simple. On Yuzhmash there were 12 ready-made missiles from the Maidan period. C7 bought them, since there is nothing more to launch from its sea launch. It’s not too many launch contracts. The point of these 12 missiles may well be enough until the start of Soyuz5 production, which basically is the same Zenith, but without Ukrainian components. Naturally with improvements. hi
      1. 0
        18 March 2019 07: 33
        Quote: g1v2
        As for the sale of our part of the ISS S7, then with two hands for.

        And what will they do with her? Buy space for astronauts from Roskosmos for 82 million dollars?
        Quote: g1v2
        on figs is not needed for many years. It will not bring any valuable research even with the "Science" module.

        And S7, what will it bring besides endless losses?
        Quote: g1v2
        As for the Zeniths, then everything is simple. On Yuzhmash there were 12 ready-made missiles from the Maidan period. C7 bought them, since there is nothing more to launch from its sea launch. It’s not too many launch contracts. The point of these 12 missiles may well be enough until the start of Soyuz5 production, which basically is the same Zenith, but without Ukrainian components. Naturally with improvements.

        S7 does not have a single order for launches, and all this venture with Sea Launch was either outright stupidity or outright fraud, to get loans and go bankrupt. S7 has no prospect in space.
      2. +3
        18 March 2019 09: 36
        For example, a space hotel or a laboratory with really interesting research


        1) Hotel. Here the question is in delivery (by Unions or Dragons / Starliners?). Again, a loss in the competition for comfort. On the one hand you have an overloaded station, very crowded. If the topic takes off, then investors will finally come to Bigelow (now they are one of the main contractors for the lunar station) - that's all. Their Hilton in space. The materials and the scheme itself are certified, the demonstrator module (now used as the Warehouse) is located on the ISS, from it the indicators are fenced (the material from which it was assembled separately) and they are already being examined for degradation on the ground, so far so great.

        That is, you will have a cramped and congested station. Bigelow 5 * Space Wanted. Where will you go on space vacation?


        2) What will S7 do - that suddenly a highly paid science program will appear that is not there right now? Well, I repeat - to conduct a scientific program with 2-3 inhabitants, and it is very difficult to narrowly select (space-based). New spacecraft - in theory, will solve this problem by minimizing the training stage for scientists. And expand the scientific area, bring in new equipment, etc. But then again, if there is a Divorce, then the entire scientific zone remains in the west. Build your own - google module Science.
        1. +1
          18 March 2019 13: 37
          So far, there are no hotels in orbit at all. If c7 has it, then for some time there will be no competition or it will be weak. Bigelow has nothing sensible yet. Until his "Hilton" opens, in any case, years will pass during which c7 will not have any competitors. But again, this is an example.
          Well, if a friend of c7 decides to buy the Russian segment of the ISS, then for him it is possible to finally deliver the Science module. The issue of orders is of course the main one. And c7 will have to solve it. Well, maybe even in the event of a successful sale of the state, he will throw a couple of small orders.
      3. +2
        18 March 2019 10: 09
        Quote: g1v2
        It will not bring any valuable research even with the "Science" module.

        Basic research is definitely not about private business.
    3. +16
      18 March 2019 06: 35
      not a "howl", but a real look at a situation that is hopeless for Roscosmos ...
      private trader Musk, preoccupied with obtaining super-profits, is already outright beating the stupid "statist" Rogozin, preoccupied with sawing and chattering ...
      with the existing "vertical of power" and the most mediocre personnel policy from Putin, all our state corporations are doomed to stagnation and gradual extinction ...
      in the economy, the state wins the private trader in only one way ... by force ... wringing ...
      1. -10
        18 March 2019 07: 24
        Quote: kepmor
        mediocre personnel policy from Putin

        You have only one "gifted" one, do not remind what you "achieved"?
        1. -7
          18 March 2019 09: 06
          The man writes "stagnation", confidently criticizing Putin.
          What are his questions?
          1. +5
            18 March 2019 12: 40
            Dear, Mestny (Sergey). There are questions "to him", if you remember his words:
            "... MOSCOW, December 18, 2014 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that responsibility for everything that happens in the country rests with the head of state and he is not going to evade it.
            "The responsibility for everything that happens in the country always rests with the head of state, and further down the rankings," the president said during the annual press conference.
            "I have never shied away from this responsibility, and I am not going to shrink," Putin added.
            "In general, personal responsibility should be raised in the Central Bank and responsible employees of the Russian government for the results of work in each area that is entrusted to them. At the same time, I believe that, in general, the administrative structures of the government and financial authorities cope with the tasks and problems that face the country stands today ", - he noted." https://ria.ru/20141218/1038992763.html
    4. +2
      18 March 2019 07: 04
      Until Rogozin personally settles on the ISS for three or four years, our space program will not budge. winked
      1. +8
        18 March 2019 09: 21
        Our country as a whole and astronautics in particular will only help sending Putin and Co. to Mars with a one-way ticket.)))
        1. +7
          18 March 2019 10: 11
          Quote: Nestorych
          Our country as a whole and astronautics in particular will only help sending Putin and Co. to Mars with a one-way ticket.)))

          Why don't you love Martians so much?
          1. +5
            18 March 2019 10: 16
            I just love Russian sooo much!))) Although it’s better in the United States, it will be better than a nuclear strike ...
  2. +9
    18 March 2019 05: 54
    China is planning to build its station next year, when the time comes to divide the ISS, it will already have its own. And yes, Russia, unfortunately, is leaving its first roles in space.
  3. -3
    18 March 2019 05: 57
    How will space be divided in 2024?

    No problems. Everyone flies over their territory. We again have the most. request
    1. +7
      18 March 2019 06: 33
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      How will space be divided in 2024?

      No problems. Everyone flies over their territory. We again have the most. request

      headquarters ??? belay
      1. +2
        18 March 2019 11: 59
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        How will space be divided in 2024?

        No problems. Everyone flies over their territory. We again have the most. request

        headquarters ??? belay

        Not shta, but yak?
        "They are not sitting in the Central Committee, we will fly at night!" feel
  4. +9
    18 March 2019 06: 33
    I would like to see Russia, as before the USSR, a leading space power, and not a cab driver for everyone.
    ... Of course I want to, but vague doubts torment me ... How many conversations were about the ё-mobile ... Something somehow did not grow together .. And it was a private project ... And it is not observed on the horizon, private aircraft building company with non-state engineers, designers, assemblers, programmers, pilots, technical facilities ...
    1. +8
      18 March 2019 09: 26
      All who are now in power can only divide and take away. Having shoveled the Soviet legacy in its pockets, having received 4 trillion from the jump in oil prices, today's insignificants were not able to create ANYTHING new, and would not create anything. The sooner the story writes them off, the more likely the country is to rise.
      1. -2
        18 March 2019 10: 14
        Quote: Nestorych
        Having shoveled the Soviet legacy in its pockets, having received 4 trillion from the jump in oil prices, today's insignificants were not able to create ANYTHING new, and would not create anything.

        No need to get excited. No goal, no order - no achievements. Demand creates supply, but not vice versa.
  5. +6
    18 March 2019 07: 29
    For some reason, Roman believes that the private traders allegedly need the ISS. What is it based on? The novel does not give links. I honestly have not heard that Musk showed interest in the ISS, his plans are much wider than the orbit of the earth. The question itself is simple, why would an old station entering the stage of "endless repair" be useful to someone?
    The Americans do not need the ISS because it has exhausted itself, the costs of its maintenance exceed all possible dividends, both moral and material. Russia needs the ISS more to demonstrate the flag in space and make money on the delivery of Americans there, especially given that the United States pulls the strap on its contents by almost 100%.
    So the fate of the ISS is unambiguous, it will be flooded due to uselessness.
    1. +1
      18 March 2019 09: 27
      Well there 50 / 50. There are other rescue projects. Just based on the new spacecraft. This will reduce the cost and expand the circle of candidates (that is, bring scientists and specialists with minimal training). Also, expanding the scientific base - with a multiple increase in research. Then everything will pay for itself and it will be beautifully useful. With 2-3 inhabitants it is very difficult to conduct serious research, given the fact that they have their own list of tasks from serving segments to physical training.
      1. 0
        18 March 2019 10: 25
        Quote: donavi49
        There are other rescue projects. Just based on the new spacecraft. This will reduce the cost and expand the circle of candidates (that is, bring scientists and specialists with minimal training).

        It is possible to reduce requirements for both spacecraft and crew training and will affect the cost of delivery to the ISS, but this will not affect the technical condition of the station. 20 years and for earthly machines there is much to say about space. The new owner (if any) will have to invest heavily in maintaining the ISS, and this is a lot of money, than to pay for it?
    2. +1
      18 March 2019 10: 16
      Quote: Puncher
      I honestly didn’t hear Musk show interest in the ISS

      You can’t do without an orbital station to fly to Mars. The Martian ship is still in orbit to collect.
      1. +1
        18 March 2019 10: 20
        Quote: Setrac
        You can’t do without an orbital station to fly to Mars. The Martian ship is still in orbit to collect.

        Perhaps he will come to such a scheme in the future, but now he is developing the Super Heavy + Starship rocket, which will fly to Mars bypassing intermediate objects in Earth orbit.
        1. 0
          18 March 2019 10: 28
          Quote: Puncher
          Perhaps he will come to such a scheme in the future, but now he is developing the Super Heavy + Starship rocket, which will fly to Mars bypassing intermediate objects in Earth orbit.

          This flight scheme is a failure by default. This is physically impossible.
          1. +5
            18 March 2019 10: 39
            Quote: Setrac
            This flight scheme is a failure by default. This is physically impossible.

            Write to him on Twitter, otherwise he doesn’t know ... But seriously, in the coming years we will be able to either verify your correctness or vice versa.
            1. 0
              18 March 2019 10: 40
              Quote: Puncher
              But seriously, in the coming years we will be able to either verify your correctness or vice versa.

              These are obvious things, it is not clear to me why others do not understand this.
              1. +5
                18 March 2019 11: 08
                Quote: Setrac
                These are obvious things, it is not clear to me why others do not understand this.

                What you consider obvious is probably not the only right decision. Humanity therefore develops because there are people who think differently.
                1. 0
                  18 March 2019 11: 46
                  Quote: Puncher
                  What you consider obvious is probably not the only right decision.

                  Of course, there are always options. But in this case (flight to Mars) another solution requires such a high scientific and technical development - to which we stomp thousands of years.
                  You can bet - for example, the Vikings somehow got to America, but they were experienced sailors. Musk, on the other hand, suggests that we jump into space without spacesuits and hope that everything goes through. Of course I will exaggerate, but how many astronauts will die before someone gets to Mars. Dozens of test flights are needed near the Earth beyond its gravitational and magnetic fields.
                  If people regularly flew to the Moon, we would have experience for the next breakthrough - flight to Mars. But we do not have this invaluable experience. The flights of Americans to the moon - even if they were - did not give anything for the development of astronautics and science. We cannot fly to Mars without overcoming the difficulties of exploring the moon.
                  1. +5
                    18 March 2019 12: 02
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Of course I will exaggerate, but how many astronauts will die before someone gets to Mars. Dozens of test flights are needed near the Earth beyond its gravitational and magnetic fields.

                    Unfortunately, such an outcome is possible, BUT ... The probability of a successful trip by Christopher Columbus was close to zero. The King of Portugal (a man undoubtedly educated), to put it mildly, twisted his finger at the temple after hearing him. And not only him. What were the odds of an ordinary sailor of the same Pint to return from the trip alive? How many travelers died while studying the earth ... We can say that Columbus should not have tried to open a new path to India before the advent of ships with steam engines. Better yet, before the advent of satellite navigation.
                    Many people talk about the dangers of space travel and they are undoubtedly right. Radiation is harmful and dangerous, but for example, most of the sailors killed scurvy, and it is estimated that more than a million sailors died from it. Did they know about the existence of scurvy? Of course, but who did it stop? The road will be overpowered by the one who is waiting for comfortable technology is doomed to lag.
                    1. +1
                      18 March 2019 14: 47
                      Quote: Puncher
                      The probability of a successful trip by Christopher Columbus was close to zero.

                      This is, to put it mildly, not true. Christopher Columbus was an experienced navigator. Where can we find experienced astronauts if we simply don’t have them.
                      Quote: Puncher
                      Radiation is harmful and dangerous, but for example, most sailors killed scurvy

                      This is not the same thing. Scurvy is just a disease. And radiation in space is everywhere and always. It is necessary to build a ship with a powerful source of energy to constantly maintain the electronic magnetic field around the ship. With a reliable system of self-repairing skin. With a comfortable living environment on the ship. And what Musk offers is an attempt to overcome the Atlantic on a lifebuoy. It’s not even the Columbus caravel, no, until Columbus the Mask has been working for a hundred years.
                      Quote: Puncher
                      The road will be overpowered by the one who is waiting for comfortable technology is doomed to lag.

                      Here you are right, the road will be mastered by the walking one. However, we are not going anywhere. We do not fly to the moon - in order to rely on the experience gained to fly to Mars. Before we go through the third kilometer of the "road", we must go through the second, while we are still marking the first.
                      It’s not about the fact that the Martian expedition will be difficult - but maybe they can do it! No, there are no options, they won’t cope. Heroes should have a chance of success, so that they heroically realize it.
                      We now have neither the knowledge nor the experience to successfully fly to Mars.
  6. +2
    18 March 2019 08: 17
    Excerpt from the website of the S7 company "The project will be managed from Moscow, however, in order to successfully conduct international business, a subsidiary company S7 Sea Launch Limited, based in the United States, was created." Such is the "domestic" private investor.
    1. +1
      20 March 2019 01: 13
      In the USA, they’re not running because of a good life. In Russia, if you open a business, they will milk it.
  7. +3
    18 March 2019 08: 21
    I would like to see Russia, as before the USSR, a leading space power

    No, well, it's great, eh ?! And then, let's, how we get together again, yes, how "we will give the country coal"! fellow
    Yes, it doesn't matter that "our economy is not economical", that higher education and science have been destroyed to the ground, that the country is ruled by oligarchic capital, for which everything that does not make a profit at once is absolutely "cared for" that the basis of the social lift is " nepotism ", not the mind, honor and conscience ..... recourse
    1. 0
      22 March 2019 01: 25
      Quote: whowhy
      Yes, it doesn't matter that "our economy is not economical"
      I would say more simply: over the 30 years of post-Soviet "capitalism" Russia has slipped from a superpower to the level of the Third World countries in many respects. We are saved here and there by the preserved Soviet industrial reserve, a more or less powerful army and nuclear weapons.
  8. -3
    18 March 2019 08: 27
    I really hope that S7 will succeed. What they will get is not something, but what is needed, and in full. For some reason, there is no desire to wait for miracles from Roscosmos.

    There is no money in space. In order to fly into space, money is needed, and not small. Of the commercially viable directions in space, only one thing is satellite launches, all the rest is not financially justified. But each country has its own needs for launching satellites, this forms a common market, countries that have their own abilities to launch satellites into space will always try to bring their load on their own, by the way they account for the bulk and everyone can rely on their domestic market, the residuals are not periodic and small loads of other countries. The fact that Roscosmos had previously been divided from other pies could not last forever. Regarding Ilon Mask, he did not accomplish anything surprising, he only repeated the success of the Korolev, while at the new base and not from scratch, that is, it was much easier for him. Only those who either do not know the history of astronautics or were born yesterday can admire the achievements of the Mask. Regarding the rest of non-commercial space and the participation of private traders in it, it resembles a financial pyramid, while based on the backlogs of the state space structures of Russia and the United States, it is not justified not to pull such projects into private traders and neither cosmotourism nor the sale of lunar stones. Space exploration can only be subsidized by states.
    1. +9
      18 March 2019 09: 59
      Quote: KOCMOC
      There is no money in space. In order to fly into space, we need money and not small. From commercially justified directions in space, only one thing is satellite launches, all the rest is not financially justified. But each country has its own needs for satellite launches, it forms a common market, countries that have their own capabilities for launching satellites into space will always try to deduce their own load, by the way they account for the main share and everyone can read their own domestic market, the residuals are not periodical and shallow loads of other countries. The fact that Roscosmos previously fell, from other pies forever could not continue.


      We are now in space at the level of native boats, hollowed out of wood, what kind of economy is there. In order to get a hundred something, you must first develop at least, conditionally, to "drakkars".
      And when we develop, you see, and the economy of space will appear, and a huge number of areas, resource extraction and production.

      Quote: KOCMOC
      Regarding Ilona Mask, he didn’t do anything idle, just as long as he repeated the success of the Queen, while on a new base and not from scratch, that is, he was much easier. Admire the achievements of the Mask can only those who either do not know the history of astronautics, or was born yesterday.


      But in my opinion Korolev in the coffin as the hula hoop spins, seeing how everything is overdue. And in general, it is clear that this is such a defensive reaction, in order to become whiter myself, it is necessary to belittle the achievements of others

      And I am sure that Korolev would not deny the achievements of SpaceX. They have already made a really flying reusable rocket, returned by the first stage. If the BFR is done - a fully returned super heavy rocket, then this will be a great achievement.
    2. +6
      18 March 2019 10: 02
      Regarding Ilon Mask, he did not accomplish anything surprising, he only repeated the success of the Korolev, while at the new base and not from scratch, that is, it was much easier for him.


      A bit wrong. In the sense that Korolev was a pioneer in a topic that was mind-blowing + the military component + politics got mixed up as soon as the first imbalances in the balance of power of the USA / USSR began.

      Musk appeared rather during the collapse of the industry. Everyone was fed up with space. There were several giants who broke the price (the same ULA - do you want to pay us 300mln for launch? Well, go around the market or buy a trampoline and get your stuff out on it). There was a rather limited and divided load market - which for the first time stirred Roskosmos, offering a little cheaper and immediately from 1 / 3 to 40% of commercial launches per year.

      The success of Mask not only increased the demand for withdrawal services, corny because there were new customers who now can afford it. But he awakened the whole industry. I repeat, only this year from Private companies:
      the new Alpha launch vehicle - from Firefly Aerospace, 1 ton into low orbit for 15mln. Engines of their own. Alpha will be the father of the family, Beta is a heavy version with 2 boosters, already almost in the middle class.
      - new LV Vector - from Vector Space, a special rocket for the withdrawal of Cubes. 2,5-3mln launch. Any given orbit (when on the bus, they are discarded only along the main load map, which is far from always acceptable, and you can wait a couple of years to wait for the main load to fly on a suitable map). Actually 60-100kg low - 30 high.
      - The new launch vehicle from the Arch - its own engines, the plan is the end of the year. Easy class.
      - LauncherOne - an air launch from Branson (OneNeb bought the 36 missiles).
      - RocketLab with Electron - 7 missiles program for this year (but because of problems in the USA - maybe they will go to 2020 a few due to the unavailability of the load that they did not do for a month). They also finish building the site in the USA - perhaps before the end of the year they will have time for the first launch from there.
      - Bezos, his first New Shepard first flight on 100km + with a man on board in the summer.
      - OneSpace, a Chinese commercial launch vehicle (rockets from 3 companies are already in high availability - until the first OneSpace, the rest the next year, LandSpace - launched their rocket last year, but fail at the 2 stage, they are now working on it until the 20 year). In the final configuration, 550kg to low and 350 to high, in the most charged (with boosters) 500kg to 1000km, but this will be the 2 or 3 operation phase.
    3. +3
      18 March 2019 10: 15
      Quote: KOCMOC
      There is no money in space.

      There is no ... fast money in space. But in the distant future, whoever takes over space will own everything.
      Quote: KOCMOC
      Regarding Ilon Mask, he did not accomplish anything surprising, he only repeated the success of the Queen

      Are there many in the world who have repeated the success of the Queen? Let not individuals, but countries? USSR, USA and China, or someone else from the endless list of states?
      Quote: KOCMOC
      repeated the success of the Queen, while on a new base and not from scratch

      Did Korolev do this from scratch and at the old base? Korolev used the result of the work of Werner Von Braun and, moreover, his employees. At the same time, on a new technical base, which Werner Von Braun simply could not have in the 30s.
      Quote: KOCMOC
      Only those who either do not know the history of astronautics or were born yesterday can admire the achievements of the Mask.

      I don’t even know which category you belong to. Probably to both.
      Quote: KOCMOC
      Space exploration can only be subsidized by states.

      I.Mask clearly disagrees with you here. His existing working projects were created just in order to gain financial independence in the issue of space exploration.
  9. +2
    18 March 2019 09: 03
    NASA has long considered that the orbital station-hotel will not pay for itself, therefore, none of the private traders is very fit in the topic of building the OS, well, maybe Bigelow, but it slowed down, it is not profitable, and I. Mask has a target of Mars.
  10. BAI
    +3
    18 March 2019 09: 10
    But, alas, without Ukrainian 20% of the LV will not fly.

    I’ll even say more - it will not fly without 1%.
  11. +2
    18 March 2019 10: 09
    How will space be divided in 2024?
    If the "helm" of our space will remain leaders like Mr. Rogozin, then simply - we will give everything to others, and we ourselves will "make trampolines", no matter how sad it is
    1. +1
      18 March 2019 10: 35
      Quote: svp67
      If the "helm" of our space will remain leaders like Mr. Rogozin, then simply - we will give everything to others, and we ourselves will "make trampolines", no matter how sad it is

      If it was so simple ... Rogozin is only a symbol of the system. In your opinion Popovkin was better than that? Get on the head in a drunken brawl over a chick arranged in Roskosmos at the foot? Climb to the site of the Proton accident in order to personally see (what bl! There you could see!) And breathe in heptyl? In my opinion this is generally the height of incompetence, Rogozin with his trampolines is resting.
      1. +1
        18 March 2019 11: 06
        Quote: Puncher
        Rogozin is only a symbol of the system

        I understand perfectly, that's why I said "like Rogozin". The country has become capitalist, and we are all holding on to the socialist system of work, introducing into it an alien capitalist element, which is eating away at it from the inside. So, it's time to move on to a different principle of work, and not hold on to the old.
    2. -3
      18 March 2019 10: 50
      Quote: svp67
      If the "helm" of our space will remain leaders like Mr. Rogozin, then simply - we will give everything to others, and we ourselves will "make trampolines", no matter how sad it is

      Neither Rogozin, nor anyone else, will move astronautics today to another, to a new highest level, because, on the one hand, there are no new real, significant, practical goals in deep space, they ended back in the 90s, and secondly, for a new momentum for the development of space, radically new technologies are needed, and these are not the toy "trampoline technologies" that Musk is engaged in, something more serious is needed, but neither Musk nor any other private trader can do it. And if you expect a real breakthrough from somewhere, then only from Roscosmos, as an example, a very promising project of nuclear engines, which can just become that impulse ...
      1. +3
        18 March 2019 11: 08
        Quote: KOCMOC
        a very promising project of nuclear engines, which can just become that impulse ...

        Sorry, but YaU have been flying in space for a long time and there’s no way to see a breakthrough ...
      2. +1
        18 March 2019 13: 49
        Quote: KOCMOC
        Neither Rogozin, nor anyone else, today will move astronautics to another, to a new higher level, because, on the one hand, there are no new real, significant, practical goals in deep space, they ended back in 90th


        This is until suddenly on the horizon a tiny rock with a thousand meters in diameter is found flying in space, which with a high probability will slam down "highly developed" creatures, protected by only a thin layer of the atmosphere, who imagine themselves to be the kings of nature and the only rational beings ...
        And against this background - astronautics will suddenly acquire a real goal - the survival of mankind, and all this ant fuss - politics, such as the economy for the production of disposable household shny and a lot of "fashionable" rags - that seemed important yesterday, will suddenly become secondary.
        Securities - will become "junk" - when, on the other side of the scale, there is survival of the species ...
        And how much is allotted to us before meeting this rock - who knows ...

        The number of detected potentially dangerous astronomical objects (an object that is or will be located at a distance of less than 7,4 million km and whose diameter exceeds 100 meters is classified as a "potentially dangerous object" potentially hazardous objects - PHO) is constantly increasing. The PHA of potentially dangerous asteroids was found to be about 20-30% of the total projected amount; for 2012, 4500 + -1500 asteroids with a diameter of more than 330 m were detected.
        1. -1
          18 March 2019 14: 51
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          This is until suddenly on the horizon a tiny rock with a thousand meters in diameter is found flying in space, which with a high probability will slam down "highly developed" creatures, protected only by a thin layer of the atmosphere

          To survive a meteorite hit, you don’t have to fly anywhere. It is necessary to build cities completely isolated from the external environment. A meteorite can slam you on another planet.
          1. +1
            18 March 2019 15: 16
            Quote: Setrac
            To survive a meteorite hit, you don’t have to fly anywhere.


            What is needed:
            1 To determine in advance possible threats (trajectories, sizes, composition of PHO) - this requires a grouping of orbital telescopes and radio telescopes - i.e. a system for guaranteed detection of dangerous astronomical objects (and not the only NEOWICE that is not able to detect cold and dark objects). Remote detection system for objects coming from the Kuiper belt).
            2 Change the trajectories of potentially dangerous objects (for example, high-energy space tugs).
            3 Destroy potentially dangerous objects by dropping them from orbits and colliding with other cosmic bodies. Operational physical destruction of PHO (long-range space interceptors, the principles of destruction are already being developed)

            Note: As of January 27, 2011, the WISE space telescope discovered 17 comets and 131 near-Earth asteroids, of which 21 are potentially dangerous asteroids. Also, over a year of observations, more than 33000 asteroids from the main belt were discovered.

            Conclusion - it's time to act, and not sit like that grandmother in a flood on the roof, waiting for a miracle - God will save ...
            How many more potential alerts are needed?
            Technologies already allow detection systems and comic tugs to be made - skeptics are expensive to whine.
            It will not be cheap - it will only be too late.
            1. 0
              18 March 2019 16: 16
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              What is needed:

              On Earth, even if struck by a meteorite, it is easier to survive than on any other planet.
            2. 0
              19 March 2019 02: 25
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              Conclusion - it's time to act, and not sit like that grandmother in a flood on the roof, waiting for a miracle - God will save ...
              This should be the main task of astronautics. For centuries! Forever, as long as man exists! It is strange that few people understand this and are doing something in this context, especially in Russia!
  12. +1
    18 March 2019 10: 44
    Well, I don’t like the articles of Skomorokhov recently. It seems that all the facts have a place to be, but here is an interpretation of them with some stale little soul.
    1. -1
      22 March 2019 01: 31
      You do not like that Roman does not sing praises to the Russian leadership, that’s all. Although this would not have been done by any normal person, knowing who has occupied power with us since the late 80s.
  13. -1
    18 March 2019 11: 15
    Our thieves are guys yesterday compared to the Anglo-Saxons regarding the budget cut. author -> author -> author biased ... Let him write about the Pentagon audit. When conducted, what are the results ...
  14. +4
    18 March 2019 11: 22
    The section will be very simple: 50% - China, 40% - USA, 9% - Europe, 0,9% - India, 0,1% - Roskosmos ... And not after 2024, but after 2021, just in time The 60th anniversary of the flight into space of the FIRST MAN.
  15. +2
    18 March 2019 12: 07
    An interesting article, but there are big doubts that the station will be given to private owners, most likely the ISS will be extended to 2028, i.e. Americans’s terms often creep to the right, and the development of modules for LOP-G and their sending will be delayed, so they can extend the ISS operation for another 4 years (there will be work for the Dragon and Starliner), but then they will bring it out of orbit and flood.
    There are many reasons for this:
    1) The life of the station is already old, and by 2028, all the more, the certification of parts cannot be extended indefinitely + who will control the station’s flight? + There are many legislative problems, starting with the ownership of certain segments, and various equipment in the event of the termination of the existing contract between NASA and other participants (Roskosmos, EKA, JAXA, CSA, etc.)
    2) Financial maintenance of the station. The numbers were called different, according to Alexei Krasnov (Head of the Department of Manned Programs of the Federal Space Agency), a total of $ 6,5 mln per year costs the station maintenance. Will private traders spend comparable figures on servicing such a space station? There are doubts ....

    As for the future of world cosmonautics, the new race between states is not far off, China has ambitions for world leadership and the more success they have in the space sector, the greater will be the pressure of the public in the USA on the administration, i.e. if China landed taikonauts on the moon, and the US astronautics will stall on earth, it will be very difficult to maintain the image of an exceptional nation, so NASA’s budget will probably be increased by a multiple .... (IMHO of course).
    1. 0
      18 March 2019 13: 39
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      according to Aleksey Krasnov (Head of the Manned Programs Department of the Federal Space Agency), a total of $ 6,5 mln per year costs the station maintenance. Will private traders spend comparable figures on servicing such a space station? There are doubts ....

      You are absolutely right. Even if it is possible to cut costs by half, the amount will still be exorbitant even for a group of individuals. So there is no future for the ISS.
  16. 0
    18 March 2019 12: 28
    even on our piece is also willing!

    Rogozin chuckles quietly on the sidelines .. He has long ago privatized the former "nashkusok" for a cheap price. And now this is already a piece of it!
    Resell at a bargain price .. or a fashionable brothel there will open ... Master-master!
  17. 0
    18 March 2019 12: 28
    Strange, of course, but really, as practice shows, it is the entry of private capital into the space industry, private initiatives, people whom the state has not accepted into the system for some reason, can be a huge impetus for taking the whole space system to a new level .


    What's so strange? It is obvious. State-owned companies can only effectively cut the budget; they can’t do anything else. The future is in private space.
    1. -1
      18 March 2019 13: 41
      Quote: YarSer88
      The future is in private space.

      Within certain limits. Private space will not extend the exploration of the asteroid belt and the colonization of Mars and Ceres, until a state consolidates there, private traders will not catch up.
      1. 0
        18 March 2019 14: 10
        The state may be the customer of such a project, but it is better to implement it through private companies, with a clear list of requirements, milestones and deadlines. Given the specificity of the industry, there can be no companies controlled by relatives, therefore, the outflow of capital through affiliated structures is practically excluded, unlike state-owned companies.
  18. +4
    18 March 2019 13: 00
    It is worth dividing the problems of the Russian space into components:
    1. Military space - vehicles are being built, carriers mainly work out regularly, PN operates in orbits - sometimes quite successfully sometimes not completely. - at least four.
    2. Commercial launches - at a moderate price, for services - hard to reach and long, for reliability - lower than average by 3,5. For known carriers and upper stages. The quality of domestic satellites is below average.
    3. Research scientific launches - funded by the residual principle - accordingly, they are almost nonexistent.

    If the military are watching the assembly of their carriers, then in the commercial sphere and research programs, to put it mildly, far from ideal.
    Obviously, the bureaucratic structures of Roscosmos appropriately shared responsibility, as Raikin said about the Soviet atelier:
    - Do you have any complaints about buttons?
    - No buttons - sewn to death! Who made the costume? Who, instead of the sleeves, trousered legs?
    Soviet specialization provided for departmental division within the framework of Sredmash by enterprises.
    From the USSR, similar structuring passed to Roscosmos.
    Since missile systems consist of products from different enterprises, as a result, a jamb of one goes into minus of the whole structure.
    Senior insurers pay for an unsuccessful launch or a failed satellite - "everything is in business", only the reputation falls and falls ...

    For some reason, everyone thinks that Roskosmos should optimize the cost of launches and monitor the quality of products. This is not true.
    Roscosmos lives on a budget and is not interested in cutting costs.
    The appearance on the market of launch services of private companies is the first bell that says that private traders not only caught up, but some already overtook the backlog that the Russian Federation got from the USSR.
    That the time when it was possible to invest the money earned on commercial launches in those backlog is irretrievably lost. Experts understood this before - and the management shared the pie and didn’t stew about "risky projects" and didn’t give money for development.

    What to do?
    One can hope for a fantastic scenario that initiative smart, competent, and leaders will appear in Roscosmos. But the bureaucratic, slow, costly system that has been built up over many years will still not be effective. Businesses are not loaded efficiently. Design teams receive the residual principle and improve something a bit.
    The mountain will give birth to a mouse.

    The development of private astronautics, similar to the American one with grants from Roscosmov, will come out as a usual cut of funds - in Russia such a scheme does not work.
    Creating a private commercial start-up business is not interesting for corporations that have money (why do they need extra risks?), It is not interesting for Roscosmos (they want to cut the budget alone, albeit a small one, without competition), and enthusiasts have no means to attract competent employees, the creation and testing of carriers, the rental of launchers (and who will give them - what a risk), the creation of their own starts.

    We have already observed the competence of private business, when difficulties in creating a car led to the closure of the creation program. And missile competencies are an order of magnitude more risky.
    So to expect a breakthrough in the coming years in this sector is unproductive.

    S7 also in vain put on a sea launch - such infrastructure has the only plus - it can choose more southern launch points (greater energy), which gives some advantages in competition among light launch vehicles. But there are much more minuses: the launch is vulnerable to many reasons: carrier accidents, weather conditions, expensive infrastructure maintenance, start-up costs (carrier logistics, parking and maintenance of launch and command ships, payment for crews, etc.).

    I see a way out in the creation of a start-up consortium of private companies, but I do not see such in Russia.
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    2. +1
      18 March 2019 13: 08
      // I see a way out in creating a start-up consortium of private companies, but I do not see such in Russia //
      It's still impossible without nat. agencies will be "swan, cancer and pike". The states already went through this in the late 90s.
      1. +1
        18 March 2019 14: 01
        Quote: Shahno
        It's still impossible without nat. agency, will be "swan, cancer and pike". The states already went through this in the late 90s.


        Of course, we need a body centralizing the interests of the state.
        However, its purpose (agencies) should be clearly defined:
        1 - Creating a competitive launch services environment, launch services certification, creating a transparent list of requirements for spacecraft and carriers - as NASA did.
        2 - Holding tenders and distributing grants for promising developments (and it’s transparent that it would not be cut, which I can’t believe at all, knowing the practice of holding tenders with the same winner of tenders and distribution of grants in other areas of the economy in Russia) .
        Accordingly, the already existing factories of Roscosmos will be able to offer their products and services to private companies (for example, engines), or they will lose employees who will go to "private shops" and at least there will be able to show their competencies and talents.
        The factories of Roscosmos will still exist - after all, military space must be provided.
        Although, following the example of the American military - who put up PN for the competition and they are already won by SpaceX. You can optimize these costs, saving yourself from the maintenance of inefficient industries and useless employees.
    3. 0
      19 March 2019 11: 14
      What is private business here in Rocket Engineering, if we have private Aviation destroying at the root, there are sheer prohibitions in everything and everywhere. People who are passionate about business and develop youth are arrested for aircraft modeling. Flights of drones above 0.25 kg are prohibited; these are all children's toys))) In the UK, drones up to 20 kg are generally not necessary to register, in the USA up to 25 kg are registered online costs 5S. It is enough to follow simple rules not to approach 50m to buildings and cars and fly yourself as much as you want. No, it’s easier for us to ban everything than to do anything useful. To take off on a quadrocopter must get permission from the anti-corruption department))) who invented it ??? Well, how can such people be called? These are not just idiots; they are Enemies of the State, since under their leadership nothing is developing.
  19. +2
    18 March 2019 13: 44
    Everything in the case is written as it is! Only comrade Rogozin will not read this article! How can a person be appointed to lead an industry that doesn’t understand a damn thing. Let him be a good man three times, but if a pilot is not a pilot on a plane, then the plane will simply crash !!!
    1. +1
      18 March 2019 14: 42
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      appoint a person to lead the industry not a damn thing about this


      But the philologist will find the right words to "cheer up" the research teams (work faster ....!) And creatively explain to the superiors what the failures are connected with.
      The guys told how obscene people who have high scientific degrees in technical sciences - to work with a cattle trainer, you need a lot of patience and endurance.
    2. +1
      22 March 2019 01: 35
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      How can a person be appointed to lead an industry that doesn’t understand a damn thing.
      Easy. Man obedient and loyal to Putin. And it is precisely these he appoints to the leadership of all state corporations. Any skills and professional qualifications, and even specialized higher education, are not required. Only personal devotion.
  20. 0
    18 March 2019 19: 36
    Ultimately, the fate of the Russian segment, as in the case of the Mir station, will be decided by an article in the budget, which has completely dried up on scientific programs in recent years. Not up to the sciences, as it were, entitled. The participation of S7 in the ISS project is also doubtful. This is not the money that a private operator operator can pull, unless its participation is reduced.
    to sell at a cheap price privatized to foreigners. Although the state has carried out many such frauds over these decades. It will become from him.
  21. Sky
    0
    18 March 2019 21: 21
    Ukrainian components travel by sea to the United States. Russian components travel by sea to the United States. Further, in the US, the launch vehicle is assembled, loaded onto the marine complex and sent to the starting point. From California, because it is closer.
    This is some kind of trash! A country that calls us an aggressor, with the help of a country that calls us a strategic adversary, will help a Russian private shop to launch a payload into space. And then this whole shaky structure will fall apart when Trump has another "critical day" and he will prohibit cooperation with S7? wassat
  22. 0
    19 March 2019 05: 17
    The trouble is with the screamers. And the trouble is with mathematicians. As we still have in the defense industry, it is really possible to count, it is not comprehensible to the mind. Or are there terms in direct proportion to the budget? That would be the commissioning office for all government orders to extend. So that both the budget "stirred" and the culture of production. And if necessary directly to the customer, the wishes of the production workers were communicated. But there are a few thoughts not about that. In particular, we need a new station for, if not strange, to reduce the cost of all our interplanetary projects. Yes ... We need a shipbuilding spaceport in orbit with a minimum of scientific detail and a maximum capacity and habitability, as well as an exhaustive energy component. Then "light" designs of "long-range" ships will become available to us. Why are there ships? And to Mars and to the Moon, you can immediately send orbital bases, albeit a truncated type. It is possible to "add" fuel in orbit by suspending fuel modules from satellite launches. You can ... Yes, a lot of things. And a lot can be assembled on the basis of the RCS. Can you imagine the weight savings if a segment of an interplanetary spacecraft goes into orbit without fuel and food? Yes, even without a crew. The same descent module can actually become "heavier" by tons because of this, and therefore increase the freedom of maneuver. And to save money on such trains, hang dozens of satellites. What is not heard of such breakthrough concepts. What is there? Don't we have enough technology? Do not tell us nozzles ... Where would we find the way to the Emerald City, to gain brains there ... well, and perhaps courage.
  23. 0
    20 March 2019 07: 50
    Trump's statement is more political in nature. No one has yet canceled international space cooperation. And the sarcasm about commercial flights is not entirely clear. The information is not only on the Internet. And the station itself was created not only by Americans.
  24. 0
    21 March 2019 15: 28
    How will the stars be divided? Together, or one at a time. It can first fly to the Sun and build borders there.
  25. 0
    24 March 2019 16: 19
    For free and Musk - Bezos. But in general, capitalism, in principle, is not capable of manned space exploration. It’s forever to be attached. But do not invest. About this yet comrade Korolev reported to academics in 1963. Here is the text of the report: https://sdelka-roman.livejournal.com/6974.html