The commander of the female tank crew of the DPR went over to the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The commander of the female tank crew Svetlana Dryuk, who fought on the side of the Donetsk People’s Republic, switched to the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). This was reported in the plot of the Ukrainian Television Service News (TSN) channel "1 + 1", published on YouTube.

Svetlana Dryuk reportedly fought on the side of the DPR with 2014 of the year. She was the commander of a female tank crew. The Federal News Agency wrote about her and her female crew in 2016, the stories on Life TV and the program “News of the Week” were filmed on the Russia 1 TV channel. A few months ago, she left the republic, allegedly going to Russia for treatment, and all this time she was urging the command that she was in a Russian hospital. Only after her children were taken to the territory controlled by Kiev, did she admit that she had gone over to the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

In an interview with Ukrainian journalists, she said that the reason for the transition to the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was a kind of “personal motive.” According to her, in Ukraine she had a "close friend" and he was "an employee of the special services."

Druk has already stated that she is ready to testify about the crimes of Russia in the Donbass and that she allegedly has some "secret documents for The Hague." In addition, she declared her readiness to again take part in the hostilities in the Donbas, but only on the side of the APU.

Meanwhile, in the management of the People’s Militia of the self-proclaimed DPR, the Ukrainian media have denied reports that the former commander of the tank crew, Svetlana Dryuk, went over to the side of the Ukrainian security forces. According to NM, Druk was dismissed from the ranks of the Armed Forces of the DPR at the beginning of the year for health reasons, after which she left for Moldova to visit her relatives, where she was detained by the SBU during a special operation and transported to Ukraine.

At the moment, the Ukrainian special services and propagandists are actively working with Svetlana, using savage methods to influence her through children, as well as relatives and people close to her. Svetlana is first of all a mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, which will be imposed on her.

- They said in NM NMD.

Comments

[Nychego]

Yes, sometimes women do not think with their heads either ...

[Halado Romane]

Many women, not with their heads, generally think much more often than with their heads. If this is not a lie, then she needs it!

[Destiny]

Quote: Halado romane

If it's not a lie

Not a lie, men ...

The dill of joy full bloomers now ...

[Halado Romane]

Well, if so, then to hell with this tvaryna. The more such people run away, the better. The only thing is of course a puncture of the local special services. Deal with whom I have no doubt. However, there is a silver lining. If at least part of her testimony is true, then let all the supporters shut up - this is how we "drain" Donbass! Unfortunately, there are always traitors. And we will not take her to The Hague. In Moscow he will answer if he lives.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Halado romane

Well, if so then to hell with this tvarynoy

Do not rush to hang tags. If your children are kidnapped, what statements and under whose dictation you will make is unknown.

[kapitan92]

[quote = Piramidon] Do not rush to hang tags. [/ quote]
I agree with you. The morning news sounded different.
[Quote]However, at some point, Dryuk met a Ukrainian intelligence officer, fell in love with him, sharply changed her view of the war in Donbass, and some time ago, under the pretext of treatment in Rostov-on-Don, fled to Ukraine.
The tanker took with her some secret documents, which, according to her, helped the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy eight LPR tanks. [/ quote / https://news.rambler.ru/world/41813562/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
Here is another interpretation.
[Quote]The former commander of the tank crew of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Svetlana Dryuk, was actually abducted by the Security Service of Ukraine, and did not go over to the side of the Armed Forces, the DNR People’s Police Department said. [/ Quote]
https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/4/966945.html
In the morning on the news sites sounded LPR, now DPR.
We must wait for colleagues from the Donbass, I think they will clarify.

[BecmepH]

Quote: kapitan92

The tanker took some secret documents with her,

This is all for the layman.
Cool, don’t you find it?)) The tank commander has secret documents!))

[sak1969]

Quote: BecmepH

Cool, don’t you?))

Kick Kick and what is the MGB DNR doing ???
And the advertisement for the movie turned out to be cool.

[ccsr]

Quote: Piramidon

If your children are kidnapped, what statements and under whose dictation you will make is unknown.

I agree that now she will say what they say. I always believed that women have nothing to do in the army, especially in combat units, but our fools went about Serdyukov, and now it has become fashionable for us to recruit women at all levels of the military command. I wonder how they will behave if their child suddenly turns out to be a hostage or terminally ill, and rescue will require foreign medicine for fabulous money.

[vindigo]

Knowing our women, they will betray all 100%.

[ccsr]

Quote: vindigo

Knowing our women, they will betray all 100%.

You can’t talk about all women, all the more so as men became traitors. By the way, if interested, then study the history of Polyakov, who went on betrayal - an interesting fact.

[Dietmar]

No wonder thieves were forbidden to have a family. Family is the weakest spot where the enemy hits first.

[bondrostov]

Quote: Halado romane

. The more of these escapes the better

Yes, there is nothing for the women in tank crews to do this nonsense!

Quote: Halado romane

Well, if so then to hell with this bullshit

The first time I agree with you on something

[Halado Romane]

Immensely happy!

[Halado Romane]

Really glad.

[snucerist]

About a puncture - to a point.
What do you mean "fired at the beginning of the year"? Sounds suspicious. There is a run-in template - they were fired only yesterday.
And in general, it will blow.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Destiny

Not a lie, men ...

Not everything is so simple, if indeed:

At the moment, the Ukrainian special services and propagandists are actively working with Svetlana, using savage methods to influence her through children, as well as relatives and people close to her. Svetlana is first of all a mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, which will be imposed on her.

[Halado Romane]

I wrote "if not a lie" wrote "if so", and you tell me about the labels? If she is first of all a mother, then it was not necessary to go into the army, but to take care of children. I think the official structures will clarify the situation. And in response to your advice to me, I would advise you not to hang labels here. In the video, she does not look like an unhappy mother at all.

[Stroi76]

When she fought and regularly fired shells towards the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you, sitting on your combat couch, considered her heroic. And how you got on the hook of the SBU, and who knows how they pressed it there, what kind of hr it was made in the tank troops, and who let her go there.

[Halado Romane]

Oh ho ho. Once I relaxed and allowed myself to say such an important thing for me here. I wanted to get advice or approval. It is not always possible to talk with loved ones. So they spat me here from all sides. You won’t get such an opportunity again. However, thank God and here I found normal guys and advice from people who saw me I got. As for you, then worry about your sofa. I don’t care about you.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Halado romane

I wrote "if not a lie" wrote "if so", and you tell me about the labels?

Nevertheless, you have already called her "tvaryna".

[cniza]

And what is your confidence that the captain is the tank commander ?, I’m generally silent about the rest ...

[PalBor]

The last position is her deputy. com. battalion of rocket artillery, as I understand it. Here, in general, on some sites they write that she was a mole. She came from Khodakovsky, served him almost in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in "Vostok" for sure. And when the LPR counterintelligence began to approach her, they pulled her out. Now she plays the role of a realized patriot. In general, FIG knows him. True, if it comes out, it won't be soon.

[cniza]

It will come out, it will certainly come out ...

[gavrila2984]

Although, he may not have time to crawl out: on the way to the store on the skin of a banana, a "patriot" will slip to death Or a crazy man will fly to the back of his head.

[ccsr]

Quote: PalBor

Her last position is deputy. com missile artillery division, as I understand it.

Indeed, somehow everything is muddied with her career, especially since the deputy must always be able to command the division, and for this, even a graduate of the military school has been trained for more than one year.

[bayard]

This war has many secrets ... Even too much ...
Civil war is the meanest. And it has been going on for almost five years. Without prospects for the near future ... Could stupidly squander for money, tired of fighting and not having the prospects of a device in a peaceful life ... For the role that she undertook to play, she could be offered very good money ... but most likely she was a long time ago already worked for Kiev. And do not be surprised that from her tank she shot at the soldiers of her masters - the masters do not care about their soldiers, for the sake of introducing a valuable agent. Many of the revealed agents had previously fought and killed APU soldiers ... with excitement and gleam in their eyes. And often it was not actually Ukrainian agents.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Destiny

Not a lie, men ...

Something about this song is missing. I don’t know, but it seems to me that something is wrong here.

[orionvitt]

I will prompt.

In an interview with Ukrainian journalists, she said that the reason for the transition to the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was a kind of “personal motive.” According to her, in Ukraine she had a "close friend" and he was "an employee of the special services."

Over the past five years, from the lips of Ukrainian journalists, I have not heard a single word of truth. And when representatives of the SBU say, it’s generally a song that lacks everything. So, here I agree with you that something is wrong.

[79807420129]

Quote: Destiny

The dill of joy full bloomers now ...

This is exactly

In general, the story is unpleasant primarily for the counterintelligence of the LPR, which reveals the presence of significant gaps in counterintelligence activities.
For Poroshenko, this story was obviously needed before the elections, since it is necessary to pedalize the topic of Russian aggression in every possible way, which is what Poroshenko's entire election campaign is based on - that is why the story was released on Poroshenko's channel and follows the main logic of his election program. In this case, Gritsak's department serves the current political interests of its patron, and in this case it does it somewhat better than in the clown case of Babchenko, where, as a result of a "secret operation", the SBU came out on its own. In this case, there was obviously a real agent of the SBU who, in one way or another, caused some damage to the military structures of the LPR and will be used in propaganda activities in Ukraine during the pre-election period.
Colonel Cassad

All the way here is https: //cont.ws/@Colonel-Cassad/1250068

[dinis]

Betrayal cannot be forgiven and the best punishment for her is the liquidation of her lover, an employee, according to the SBU. Unless of course it is true that she betrayed out of love for him.

[Egorovich]

Nits are always there and always will be. Only such despised will always be among their own, and among strangers.

[Vasiliev Yu]

Honestly, I don’t know her and I can’t say anything on this occasion.
I just remembered Avdotya Smirnova, the host of the School of Scandal. how she and Tolstoy taught everyone morality, and how she later married Chubais. What kind of scum do you have to be a soul and in fact to connect your life with such an under ... nk? Probably they say the truth: a fisherman, a fisherman ... Then they began to print what she really was in life, Smirnova. It's just that such filthy people usually teach us about morality, honesty and decency.
I add for the stubborn again: about the current case, I don’t know what really happened.

[2329 Carpenter]

So do not look at the zombie creator! I have not had it for 8 years. I feel great!
When occasionally intercepting something, at a party, for example, it seems just nonsense that what goes on there. Virtually everything.
The Internet is better because here I choose what I like.

[Vasiliev Yu]

So do not look at the zombie creator! I have not had it for 8 years. I feel great!
When occasionally intercepting something, at a party, for example, it seems just nonsense that what goes on there. Virtually everything.
The Internet is better because here I choose what I like.

I already wrote, and in my opinion, I have not had it for a year and a half. I have enough Internet and Telegram.

[K-612-O]

On the Internet, lies and delirium are even greater, even here in VO, sometimes skips.

[2329 Carpenter]

Well, it's like in life. Who searches for something, then finds.

[Retvizan 8]

Cool, people boast that they don’t have a TV set it as their advancement!))
And I have two and 150 channels of televisions, I’ll probably greatly cheat them if I say that on TV there is an opportunity to choose what to watch.
And to write about the Internet, as about something sacred is simply stupid, I agree with you, that trash and nastiness can be found much more than on TV.

[gurzuf]

Internet zomboyaschik replaced you So the Internet will be cooler than the mentioned box

[Theodore]

STAZI had specialists in love affairs! Apparently, the careless people also raised their own!

[Theodore]

careless while too! On points!

[northern]

unless so

[Captain45]

Quote: Theodore

STAZI had specialists in love affairs! Apparently, the careless people also raised their own!

Yesterday I read, British scientists based on the poison of some Brazilian spider made a medicine to increase potency, steeper than Viagra, so the Minister of Health of Ukraine Suprun immediately offered this pharmaceutical company to conduct human tests in Ukraine, using veterans and ATO participants for this. Apparently a friend of this tank girl regularly took this potion, since she pulled to him for a large and solid ...

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Egorovich

Nits are always there and always will be. Only such despised will always be among their own, and among strangers.

women of love and not such fintel make.
why she was very angry, she ran across and, okay. and the beginning of "secret documents" is doubtful

ps there were flocks here at the expense of girls in the tank. here is another argument.

[sak1969]

Quote: Halado romance

Many women, not with their heads, generally think much more often than with their heads. If this is not a lie, then she needs it!

I think just the hell you guessed it. I think I was just thinking with my head.
I thought about the children.
In the DPR, everyone was waiting for Russia. The referendum, Russia will come to protect, separate.
And you have to fight by yourself. Sit under shelling under sniper fire. Tolerate hardship.
Saboteurs are running.
By and large, the local then all fled.
So the woman decided in time to leave the game with a profit.
If they offered a hut where there is no war, acceptable work, children study, help a loving man.
This is called family happiness.
Has guessed or not time will tell.

[Halado Romane]

Nuuuu all! They sang an old song! And a loving man drew both an apartment and a job ... Damn heaven, not Ukraine! Is it personally for her that everything was pictured, or should every Ukrainian just want to ?! Here is a video with her speeches ... You say Russia does not help ?! But this citizen says that only the way she helps ... Are you so naive ?! Let me believe you now? Since 2014, miners and an aunt mother and part-time tanker have successfully restrained the regular Ukrainian army from time to time dropping her into boilers ... Well, yes ... She was just tired and decided to think about the children. Everyone probably knows that in Ukraine, thinking about children is doubly more pleasant! Mdaaa ...

[sak1969]

If this is of course all true, then apparently from her point of view it was the best option.
It was probably a chance. (To whom war is to whom mother is dear.)
By the way, I know cases and from Russia to Ukraine are moving and are not particularly complaining as it is not strange.
I did not say that Russia does not help; I said that to fight, (if you want to rot in the trenches) you have to do it yourself. In this case, freeze, fry, and cook in a tank and burn in the future ...
Cavo there miners held back, they drove cavo there. And what then did ours (vacationers, and volunteer contractors) did.
But in any case, the SBU DNR security service on the board has verified.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: sak1969

I said that to fight, (if you want to rot in the trenches) have to do it yourself

there are no fewer local volunteers fighting, and many of the locals in our north have come as "refugees"
I watched the situation in Surgut with my own eyes in 14, when my friends went to fight for Donbas and from there peasant worthless, hiding behind phrases: "I brought my family, I can't leave one alone" came to us, received benefits, work, living space ... damn it here, not every local has his own apartment, but they were given everyone, they were ordered to work in the municipal office from the administration, so the local leadership dismissed for this (according to the Surgut City Vodokanal, I even know the number and positions where they took refugees, which of the locals were fired, who where "moved" to arrange refugees without fail according to their education and specialty - my mother works there) ...
and an acquaintance fought there, came here to Surgut, went to an acquaintance, the director of the secret police, he told him that while the places were normal, he could only accept a security guard ... accepted, an acquaintance works, later we meet, says: "Estimate, San, here I am I arrived, got a job, in a couple of days I find out that the deputy director is a 27-year-old boy from Donbas ... it comes out while I was there for his house and land he fought here, in my homeland he arranged a life for himself, and now I I obey him in my hometown, for whom I defended his land in his home ... "

I personally don't have these ... I don't even have words, I hate such "refugees" more than the Banderaites, there are simply no worse enemies than such "friends" who themselves seem to "hate Bandera", but for some reason they stick out in Surgut and They are not in a hurry to go and fight for their own, ours are going for them, risking their lives while these free housing in our country are being drawn up with a displeased look: "Why are these queues?" - Yes, because they have to be given a machine gun for the shkirnyak and shove them into the trenches instead of handing out huts and jobs at the expense of local northerners, they are very strongly disliked here, believe me ...
maybe I speak so harshly about them (I repeat - not about everyone, but about healthy men and young men of military age, guys) because it affected my mother - they didn't fire them, but they "pushed" a little, but our office (like many others) we were obliged to provide them with services: to install security and fire alarms and video surveillance in the places of their new residence ... at our expense - we worked for free, got stocks of cables, sensors and a dozen video cameras from the bins, gave the installers money from their pockets, at our own expense engaged in supply, burned their gasoline ... moreover, they even set certain deadlines for us ... and they were right in front of us (in one of the comments, about a month ago, I described this situation in more detail, there is also an interesting paragraph about the charitable foundation - you can anyone interested in looking, the very first waves of refugees when they came to us) at one of the objects a crowd of barbecues was fried and drank beer - 600 rubles a day - why not? this is from Russia, plus 400 from the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug - a thousand a day - barbecue-beer, plasma huts, laptops, repairs, furniture - everything is completely new ...
Well, how do I feel about them ..?
and in the meantime I am paying a mortgage, so there are a lot of Ukrainians in the Donbas (crest as a state of mind).
You could just watch the filming of Donetsk, 14th year: young people 20+ years old walk the streets and "do not rattle", and there are battles on the outskirts of the city, there are many guys from Russia - they have come themselves, and these go to ... blowing.
and you say "the locals are in the trenches and we do not help" - there are a lot of ours, all humanitarian aid comes from us

[sak1969]

I am familiar with this situation approximately, only here they didn’t especially stay.
I did not say that we are not helping.
Yes, there are half of the volunteers, but volunteers come and go.
And the local who stayed with them apparently have nowhere to go.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: sak1969

And the locals stick out there

because that's their home! and it so happened that trouble came to their house - they need to defend themselves and not to dump and not "walk around the city at night" with the girls but to put on a "lump", take a machine gun - and go to the NP, in an outfit, in a trench!

[sak1969]

If it weren’t for the Crimea, and not the little green men, there wouldn’t anyone twitch. And there would be no war. They hoped for Russia, now the fourth year is a war, and there is no end to it.
And you can die even at a combat post, at least in the workplace, at least on the way home.

[SASHA OLD]

Homeland is in danger with them and not with us

[sak1969]

Beautiful words . Although the question is interesting.
We had local young guys crippled in 2014, then they suddenly disappeared, I wonder where! ?

[SASHA OLD]

I have friends among all, thank God, more or less, one cuckoo really appeared in one of the watches - he began to drive a little, he almost sat down on drugs

[113262a]

This is for now! The main thing is that the third world does not start. Nerossiyan not sorry?

[Errr]

Thank you for your video interview with Abdullah. He, in my opinion, is not even 100% Russian - he is just 100% Russian! Real man. Well done!

[sak1969]

Yes, he is a real man. His legs were torn off, but he wants to be useful, and so to speak to remain in service.

[Errr]

I almost love you already,
Though I am not a dove, however.
Rake us on a screw, -
Smoke scum from the scum!

Greetings from Kuzbass.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Herrr

Greetings from Kuzbass.

reciprocate!

[Surg]

In Tver, in the same way, they still downloaded the rights and said Putin that all this worked out, let him contain us. They behaved rude in relation to the local.

[sak1969]

Sakharovsky will remember them for a long time.

[private person]

Opa not iron made her a media personality, the film was shot. She dawned what it smells like examples of Mass Motor, Givi did not even save Zakhar.

[sniperino]

Quote: Halado romane

And a loving man drew both an apartment and a job

"GermanUkrainian officers and soldiers will give those who have passed a good welcome, feed and get a job "

[sak1969]

For some reason I remembered Dobrobabin Ivan Evstafievich (Panfilovets, a participant in the battle at the Dubosekovo junction). Check out Wikipedia for interesting results.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: sniperino

Quote: Halado romane

And a loving man drew both an apartment and a job

"GermanUkrainian officers and soldiers will give those who have passed a good welcome, feed and get a job "

"Give up and you will have hot tea, dry clothes and our hospitality !!"

[Captain45]

Quote: sak1969

If they offered a hut where there is no war, acceptable work, children study, help a loving man.

Voronenko was also offered a lot to the deputy, but ended up with a bullet in the back of the head, as soon as the guards got access to the money, just as they drowned for Nadyuha, the heroine, just Jeanne d * Arc, and ended up in prison. So with this, now they will work out in full, and then after the election, it’s good if they just forget, or even write off ......

[sak1969]

If she wasn’t kidnapped, she wasn’t blackmailed, and she voluntarily made her choice,
then why forget it and write it off.
She has no money, she will not get into politics, so she will live on the sly.
These are walking weapons, an information bomb against the DPR and LPR.
The war after the election did not end.
Maybe they’ll invite a couple of times to the show, here’s the money.

[Botanik Medveddev]

Such women 95% ...

[self-propelled]

I think in this case just a head. I somehow do not really believe in the story about "great love" (unless it is about a great love of money). by a strange coincidence, this story happened exactly in the midst of the election race in Ukraine. and such a resounding victory of the SBU is just the way to go (well, we must somehow raise the guarantor's ratings). and there (I suppose within a week or two) they will emerge and "secret documents with personal signature of GDP"...

[cniza]

In the end, it can be a gross provocation.

[self-propelled]

Quote: cniza

In the end, it can be a gross provocation.

in fact of the matter. options (more precisely, assumptions) the sea - and sold, and terrorize children, and the "Trojan horse" ... as long as there is no reliable and complete data (will appear?) - all these are just assumptions mixed in with emotions

[cniza]

So I say, emotions aside, we must wait for clarification.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: self-propelled

somehow I don't really believe in the story about "great love" (unless it's about a great love of money)

How hardened people ... Nobody believes in sincere bright feelings ...

[private person]

According to her, in Ukraine she has a "close friend" and he is a "special service employee".


Well then, what about the children? After all, they are now raking to the fullest from their peers, for whom their mother is the killer of APU heroes. Although the betrayal of Druck is not surprising, the Ukrainians have it in their blood, or else there will be. The people are tired of the war.

[d ^ Amir]

take your time .... very possibly this is a good old provocation according to the CIA recipes "He chose freedom" is called ....

[loki565]

The fate of Savchenko is provided to her))) now the hero will then be imprisoned)))

[raw174]

Quote: Nychego

Yes, sometimes women do not think with their heads either ...

"Sweet spot", as the hero of one TV show about the 90s said, a certain Antibiotic ...
War is war, defectors are part of the war ... For some they are heroes, for some traitors, but this is a given.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yes, sometimes women do not think with their heads either ...

A woman, let alone a mother of two, has nothing to do in a war. You have to sit at home and take care of the children, and not command in the tank. There and without her there is someone to figure it out. Also Jeanne d'Arc to me.
I hate fascists, but they sometimes met with bright thoughts. Here is from Wikipedia:

Kinder, kyuchen, kirche
Kinder, Küche, Kirche, Kleider (ˈkɪndɐ ˈkʏçə ˈkɪʁçə; Russian children, kitchen, church, dress), or 4 K is a German slogan that determines, according to the authors of the slogan, the role of an ideal woman in Germany. An approximate Russian equivalent is “a woman’s place is in the kitchen”. In the commonly used abridged version - Kinder, Küche, Kirche or 3 K is attributed to Otto von Bismarck, however, its real author is Kaiser Wilhelm II, who contrasted the “female” 4 K with the “male” 3 K - Kaiser, Krieg, Kanonen (Russian emperor, war, guns).

[Errr]

An approximate Russian equivalent is “a woman’s place is in the kitchen”.

"Tsyts, you fool! .. Shut up! ..
Test the place by the stove!
Come on, march to your room
And teach solfeggia! "

Leonid Filatov. "About Fedot the archer, a dashing fellow."

[sniperino]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Nothing for a woman, let alone a mother of two children, to do in war

It is difficult to judge women by the same criteria as men, but wartime does not tolerate indulgence. A loving mother will do everything so that her child remains alive, and if for this she will have to wrap other people's children on the tracks of the tank? If I were an executioner, it would be much easier for me to shoot not her, but the one who wrapped her child’s bag on her head and left it in the forest. In short, I agree, the war does not have a female face.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It is difficult to judge women by the same criteria as men, but wartime does not tolerate indulgence. A loving mother will do everything so that her child remains alive, and if for this she will have to wind other people's children on the tracks of the tank

Do not judge, but you will judge. Therefore, I do not blame her.
But this does not change the essence. She has two children and she had to go with them to evacuate to Russia, if she was so afraid for their lives.
But she went to war. And I got everything I wanted, with all the ensuing consequences. Nothing good this whole situation for her and the kids will end.
That's why I say - there is nothing for the women to do in the war. I would be engaged in kids somewhere in Russia and everything would be different, and certainly not worse than now.

[Stroi76]

Remember the battles at the end of 44 at the beginning of 45, so then German Frau Nitsche was so fired by the Faustpatrons from the windows, they poisoned the wells, they collected food for the hiding defenders of the Reich. And you, the kitchen is their destiny. When you press it, there are many options, from the kitchen to the tank.

[vindigo]

Now you will be trampled by bortsuhi for equality)

[Mamuka Petrovich]

According to NM, Druk was dismissed from the ranks of the DPR Armed Forces at the beginning of the year due to health reasons, after which she went with her children to Moldova to visit relatives, where she was detained by the SBU during a special operation and transported to Ukraine.

Okay, women sometimes think not with their heads, but someone thought how she could get to Moldova. It wouldn’t be possible to go through Ukraine, it was too lit up, it was even shown on TV, and through the EU countries with two children (if minor children - permission to leave the children from a second parent, passport, respectively, and a visa) is unlikely. Something is wrong with this trip to Moldova.

[already a Muscovite]

Planes that don’t fly ??

[PROXOR]

God forbid she will be captured. Yes, it will be torn.

[Ugolek]

Right to Petkin’s elections ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ugolek

Right to Petkin’s elections ...

It's good that they decided to use it for propaganda purposes, and not in any other way.

[mitchhunter]

Wrong place

[Lamatinets]

Does she know what they are doing with gaskets?

[Black_Vatnik]

There is nothing in Ukrainian politics. There the gasket on the gasket and the gasket drives ...

[RUSS]

Maybe this is the hopelessness of the protracted war, this is not a woman’s business.

[Gray brother]

Quote: RUSS

Maybe this is the hopelessness of the protracted war,

Or stole the children. You will then smile at the camera and say what they say.

[RUSS]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: RUSS

Maybe this is the hopelessness of the protracted war,

Or stole the children. You will then smile at the camera and say what they say.

There, it seems like at first she sent the children to Ukraine, and then she rushed to Rostov, and from there to Ukraine.

[Gray brother]

Quote: RUSS

There, it seems like at first she sent the children to Ukraine

That's what I'm talking about. Did she "ferry"?

[adma]

Future neighbor of Nadezhda Savchenko.

[Ugolek]

This is an outbid simply, the dollar is her lover.

[Well done]

Most likely they compromised.

[Thrifty]

Waiting for her fate, Savchenko - there are dungeons of the SBU!

[Borik]

If all this is true, then at first she is certainly treated kindly. They will drag Poroshenko along with her on every show. But in a year, something will happen to her.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thrifty

Waiting for her fate, Savchenko - there are dungeons of the SBU!

I don't think ... most likely, she will be Parashka's trump card in the elections with the fake "crimes of the Russian Federation in Novorossia. I would not be surprised if she is taken to the EU as proof of the Russian aggression against Ukraine. And Parasha will vote at all corners. you!
And you can’t remove it, otherwise the high will rise, cleaner than in the case of the Skripals.

[cniza]

The situation is very interesting and it seems that there will be more steps.

[sleeve]

Yeah ... Civil in full growth ...

[Dude]

Druk has already announced that she is ready to testify about Russia's crimes in Donbass and that she allegedly has some "secret documents for The Hague." In addition, she announced her readiness to again take part in hostilities in the Donbass, but only on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Double-dealing has never brought anyone to good (Skripal will not let you lie ).
And how much faith is the words of the traitor?
I would tell her where she should put these "secret documents for The Hague", but the site's rules do not allow.

[Altona]

But when will the cohanna end? When will the tomatoes wither? Shaw, then again for the scorching fire? How easily her brain moved to the pubic line.

[cniza]

Do not rush to conclusions, there is an information war.

[Tamek]

Did you also command a tank in the war?

[The leader of the Redskins]

This is a trump card. Trump in the hands of enemies and propagandists. Especially if the documents are not bluff, and you are not thinking about those places and write!

[Lamatinets]

And where did you find the document of the tank com? stole from Pushilin’s office? Or did her hearty friend draw them to her?

[cniza]

Of course, the "friend" all worked hard ...

[Lamatinets]

Directly not a friend but a fabulous, reconnaissance Hans Christian Andersen !!!

[cniza]

We must wait for the next stage of information, and it will ...

[Orkraider]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

This is a trump card. Trump in the hands of enemies and propagandists. Especially if the documents are not bluff, and you are not thinking about those places and write!

Where did the tank commander get secret documents? I AM surethat there are no documents even at the headquarters of the DPR and LPR, and she’s already ... they cook up another linden, then they will shake it in the elections.
And the defectors were and are always and everywhere, even the ubiquitous KGB did not help, remember the MIG-25?

And then an ever-expanding civil pendulum is running across from both sides.

We will soon find out the details, whether it’s true or under duress.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And why do you think that stamped documents are top secret and with the seals of the GRU GS?
And no one thought that these could be photos and videos with specialists-vacationers at the time of transfer of military personnel to the railway station? With the numbers of trains and road trains, etc. ... Well, as an example?

[Chief Engineer]

Bad choice. Traitors do not like, no where.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: Chief Engineer

Bad choice. Traitors do not like, no where.

And the traitor in this situation is Russia, she betrayed all the Russians of Donbass.

[cniza]

Do not give in to provocation, it is too early to draw conclusions.

[Vadim237]

These republics themselves are to blame - it was necessary to hold a referendum simultaneously with the Crimean one - then there wouldn’t be any war at all - the troops would have introduced hello APU after the referendum.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Egorchik

And the traitor in this situation is Russia, she betrayed all the Russians of Donbass.

yes you! never mind how smart you are (no)

[ccsr]

Quote: Chief Engineer

Bad choice. Traitors do not like, no where.

As an option - a new "Skripal" in a woman's skirt, and death from the insidious hands of the DPR special services in the form of a dropped perfume. I think that the plot is not so fantastic - the SBU will probably try to do something similar, possibly with another defector.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: ccsr

As an option - a new "Skripal" in a woman's skirt, and death from the insidious hands of the DPR special services in the form of a dropped perfume.

ahaha! I wrote exactly the same thing on YouTube under the release of TSN with a transmission about it

[ccsr]

Quote: SASHA OLD

ahaha! I wrote exactly the same thing on YouTube under the release of TSN with a transmission about it

Apparently the same thoughts come to the heads of different people who have life experience.

[MegaPups]

When faced with Ukrainian reality, he will regret it 1000 times. Traitors, regardless of gender, are not loved anywhere. Traitors who fled to the United States at one time eke out a miserable existence, and what can beggar Ukraine offer it? And about "Russian troops" most likely sang to the tune of the SBU. Let's see what will sing when she is thrown out as used rubber product # 2, the main thing is not to lose the traces of this "warrior".

[Awaz]

Well, firstly - such turns are always possible. In Russia, in the Civil War, sometimes people even ran here and there. Secondly, on the basis of hysteria in the press, this case, if not the first, then the rarest. I'm talking about the fact that the militia went to the APU voluntarily. Well, and thirdly - it's a woman. Most likely she was tired of all this and maybe even beckoned with money. Maybe somewhere offended, maybe something Lugansk authorities did not finish.
However, I do not see any point in discussing something here. Well, she ran away, well, if she needs it that way - these are her problems. She does not pose any threat to anyone. Moreover, most likely she will have problems soon on the remains of Ukraine.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here, most likely, symbolism comes first. Like Savchenko. Like a shooter, but a woman. On the Maidan sketched. Stubborn. And let her sculpt the fiend of hell.
And then a woman. Steam media. And such a turn!

[morpogr]

Love is evil, and how many nonsense women do in this state. But after it is used and thrown away, it will begin to howl that it was deceived and betrayed. But most likely it will be so. I would like to be mistaken, but life is not a fairy tale, and a scout is not a prince.

[demo]

Love is evil, and how many nonsense women do in this state.
Let's not be on the eve of 8 March of all women under one comb ?!
And peasants because of women just do not?
The main driver of man’s actions is women!
Because of them, and war, and massacres, and robbery with robbery.
Just to hold on to the little frog, but put something somewhere!
Excuse me women.
But could not resist.
And he himself was sinful.
And more than once.
I repent.

[cniza]

Very conflicting information and early to draw conclusions.

[kventinasd]

Come on. usual pre-election zilch from Poroshenko's PR.
Again how Babchenko will succeed and no one in the world, except for stupid pots, will pay attention to this.
1 + 1 - another slag.

[mag nit]

These are the "Russians of Donbass" they are.

[AU Ivanov.]

I would say "Ukrainians of Donbass"

[SS-18 Satan]

even the women realized .. that there were no men left in the APU, only transgender people.

[Borsht]

"What, son, did your Poles help you?" (from)

[Non liberoid Russian]

Druk has already announced that she is ready to testify about Russia's crimes in Donbass and that she allegedly has some "secret documents for The Hague."

before threatening the Hague, it is necessary to ratify the Rome Statute from the beginning ... and Russia has long ago scored muses and revoked the signature on recognition

[cniza]

Something you somehow do not respect the name of our country?

[perm23]

sort of like she was taken from relatives in Moldova. Ukrainian specialists track well. took with the children. she will say what you want now

[afrikanez]

she has a "close friend" and he is a "special service employee".

Recruited ...

[AAK]

",,, this can happen to everyone, if drunk and soft ..."

[Horst78]

STATEMENT OF THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DPRK PEOPLE'S POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE abduction of Svetlana Dryuk
The enemy managed to kidnap Druk Svetlana, who at the beginning of the year was dismissed from the ranks of the National Assembly of the DPR at her own request, due to deteriorating health. Svetlana in 2014-18 took an active part in the hostilities to destroy the enemy, for which she was repeatedly encouraged by the command of the unit. For the successful operation, she was awarded the medal "For Military Valor."
After she was discharged from the ranks of the militia and rehabilitated at the hospital, she left for the territory of the Republic of Moldova with her children to visit relatives.
On the territory of Moldova, a special operation of the SBU was carried out to detain and export it to the territory of Ukraine.
At the moment, Ukrainian special services and propagandists are actively working with Svetlana, while using savage methods of influencing her through children, as well as relatives and friends of her.
Svetlana, first of all her mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, which will be imposed on her.
http://armiyadnr.su/news/zayavlenie-oficialnogo-predstavitelya-upravleniya-narodnoy-milicii-dnr-o-pohishchenii-svetlany

[APASUS]

Quote: Horst78

Svetlana, first of all her mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, which will be imposed on her.
h

You can’t see that she is shaking in front of the camera and she is speaking a memorized text. The video is certainly cut, but there are even more questions about it.

[rammjager]

Horst 78. Enchanting delirium! No comment.

[Horst78]

If you have your own head then think for yourself. I will not prompt.

[Kerensky]

all this time, the command convinced that she was in a Russian hospital. Only after her children were taken to Kiev-controlled territory,

And it can't be like that? Everything else can be a legend.

[irazum]

Did she cross with the tank?

[Evil echo]

Why are you puffing something. If it is really pressed through children, then this is not the case.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, anything for the sake of children says anything. Especially mother.

[Leningrades1989]

In the Great Patriotic War, a very famous person's son was captured. The Nazis offered to exchange their son for their general, to which they received an answer: "We are not exchanging soldiers for generals!"

[cniza]

Now the horses will squeeze everything out of this situation.

[cniza]

“At the moment, Ukrainian special services and propagandists are actively working with Svetlana, while using savage methods of influencing her through children, as well as relatives and friends of her. Svetlana is first and foremost a mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, which will be imposed on her

Ukrainian Gestapo in action. Although there are a lot of questions and all day give different information.

[Vladimir 5]

A vague story, a beautiful, harmonious woman, everything is possible when specials work. service. Here is just a clear signal that it is time to stop the war ...

[cniza]

This is not a signal, this is the whole alarm ...

[Terenin]

... she admitted that she sided with the APU

This, as a serviceman, she is a traitor (she is not the first and not the last).

... the reason for the transition to the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was a certain "personal motive"

This, she is a woman with chicken brains (also not her first, and not her last).

... allegedly she has some "secret documents for The Hague"

Oh, this is she - perhaps she signed her own death warrant. "Secret documents" for The Hague, the ukrovlast already have (what is the SBU for then?).
For their "confirmation" the SBU needs:
1. A dead hero, as an indisputable witness of their "authenticity" (she can no longer refute anything);
2. Dastardly special services of Russia, who killed the "brave" Ukrainian woman;
3. Close connection of these "Russian special services" with the opposition of the Ukrobander government;
4. Inflicting an informal blow to Russia in the international sphere (lowering the image through the Hague) and striking at its own opposition within Ukraine ... etc. (here what premium, such and fantasy, but there is someone to pay for it).
Military counterintelligence LDNR put "minus"
An urgent "counterplay" is needed.

[Gardamir]

How all sharply expressed! But yesterday they spoke more carefully with the news, they may turn out to be fake. There are also two options, she went over and abducted.

[Ascetic]

there is a civil war in Ukraine, defectors on both sides, in any case, of their own free will or by coercion have been, are and will be ... if we recall the history of the Civil War in Russia there is nothing extraordinary in this. My grandfather’s brother was 18 years old in 1917 .. At first he fought with Denikin, then with Father Makhno, and he finished with Budyonny in 1KA, went through the whole Patriotic War, went to penalties and died his death in 1980 during the Moscow Olympics ... Such things ....

[Gardamir]

if you recall the history of the Civil War in Russia

there is such a thing. My namesake and countryman in 1918, with the rank of ensign, fought for Kolchak. And in 1944, commanding the Leningrad Front, he received the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union.

[Terenin]

There are also two options, she went over and abducted.

Newspaper.Ru 18:01 In the DNI called the "abduction" the transition of the Donetsk tank crew to the side of the Armed Forces

[Machine Gunner 391]

Vlasov in a skirt. They will use it for propaganda purposes, as much as possible. Well, when it becomes useless, they will kill and dump it on Russia. For on the example of the Skripals, there was a tendency even to derive profit from the stinking dead carcass of a traitor. Shame on the traitors.

[Lycan]

No guys, here you need to subtly understand situevina:

Only after her children were taken to the territory controlled by Kiev, she admitted that she switched to the side of the Armed Forces.

If so, then this factor affects the consciousness of many women very managing. Perhaps she, going to the other side, considers this a sacrifice for the sake of children ... and for her the choice is obvious. We will sympathize with the person. Not sweet she will have to.

[Bshkaus]

I never cease to be surprised by our media: I sided with the APU deputy commander of a tank regiment!what she herself says introducing herself in an interview, and news in Russia with one voice Female Tank Crew Commander.
But weakly honestly, as they say in a manly way, to call everything by their proper names without lying and admit this fact?
I understand that it’s unpleasant, I understand that it is insulting and shameful to the snot, I understand that the counterintelligence has landed in a puddle, but now what, pretend that nothing happened?
Let’s continue to pretend that nothing happened, only at such a pace and soon the leadership of LDNR will dash to the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Meanwhile, Ukraine from all this business is laughing and does not know what to do with such unfortunate heroes:

[taiga2018]

Well, she moved on and went on, that's why she is a war, that there are traitors and heroes, but the fact that she, the tank commander has secret documents, it’s just ridiculous, but it’s just fine for the pre-election period, and then they’ll write her off, I’m afraid that finally, in order to blame not just the authorities of the republics, but the Russian special services ... if they have already sent Savchenko, the heroine of all Ukraine, to jail, then this defector has only one way to go ...

[Mountain shooter]

Women ALWAYS think "sweet spot" ... This one got under development. Well, she's not the first. How to eat up with "New look", and merge it - no options

[for]

Quote: vasiliev yu

This is what scum you need to be a soul

The same as appointed leaders Rosnano.

[Archivist Vasya]

Alas, traitors have always and everywhere been this time.
- Then the version about the children and the abduction from Moldova after the dismissal is more like trying to justify the DNR command for puncturing its counterintelligence.
- The bastards have already removed all the Legends of Donbass ... and who is she? Just a tank commander, that's all. But the DNR tanks will not be used for a very long time (but it would be necessary), they are also prohibited by some kind of Minsk agreements ...
- Important / secret documents. What kind? To which such sensitive documents does the tank commander have access? Well, let's say I asked you to read lists of army personnel and maps of minefields for the night, okay ... who gave out, why on earth? - Yes, her, nonsense.
- What can really tell - about the quantity / quality of equipment, weapons and ammunition, the personnel with whom served in their battalion (this is the worst of all), the level of training and equipment. Bad, but not critical.
Well, what will happen and who is right we will know soon.

[Diana]

The trick is that she is not a tank commander. You have beguiled the plot of the film "Militia" and reality. The girl was the chief of staff - deputy. commander of the 11th tank regiment NM DNI.

[Andrei Gurov]

Well, what can you wish for, long and happy years in the next cell with Nadia Savchenko.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Something I can not believe that everything is so simple.
Either it was originally mishandled by a Cossack (a Cossack in this case), or it was completely fake .... So far, only hohlosmi has given out information. Hysteria early. Until I hear sane comments from representatives of the DPR - I won’t believe a single word ....

[hhhhhhh]

If true, then she should already be in prison according to the laws of Ukraine. She did not think and got caught. (((((

[Diana]

Should not and did not get caught. There is a special SBS program - "bleach" "Check on you at home".

[hhhhhhh]

Why shouldn’t it?

[Diana]

Well, type in Google or Yandex: The program of the Bezpeka Service of Ukraine “Check your home”, follow the link and pass through the auto-translator - everything is written there.

[hhhhhhh]

Have you returned to the Armed Forces under this program?

[Diana]

I did not leave the civil service in the Armed Forces. In 2017, she celebrated 20 years.

[hhhhhhh]

How do you feel about using the APU against civilians? Constitutionally or just a job, you need to somehow feed the children.

[Diana]

My daughter is already adult and independent.
A relative of my sister’s husband spoke well about civilians (now he is an officer of our General Staff). It sounded something like this: "If in order to save the lives of 500 of my soldiers it will be necessary to kill 5000 women and children from the enemy population and the decision is in my will, I will not hesitate to make that decision."
And constitutionality ... "When the interests of the State speak - the law must be silent" (c) (Stolypin)

[hhhhhhh]

Maybe a hero for you and Bandera?
your relative is not a soldier, but ok, he doesn’t give a damn about killing his civilian population, not his own. The main civilian population to kill. So pass from me to him, he is ok.

[Diana]

A loser cannot be a hero. A-priory. This is about Bandera.
And for my relative it matters only the successful completion of the task with the smallest possible своих losses. The only approach worthy of a commander IMHO. And who thinks about it - it doesn't matter from the word "absolutely".

[hhhhhhh]

Civilians kill this war crime. Ukrainians living in the Donbass are no longer their own. Are these former residents of Moldova, Kaluga and other republics of the USSR decided?
your relative is not a Russian soldier. A monument to him as Alyosha in Berlin will not be erected.
Soldiers become soldiers so that the peaceful do not die, although you have long had American installations in your head. Dresden, Tokyo, Herasima and Nagasaki. The faster you forget Russian and learn Ukrainian, the better.
Stolypin about the interests of the US state said?))))))

[Diana]

1) The only true war crime is defeat;
2) Yes, the residents of Donbass are no longer our own for us. They made their choice in 2014 and must be responsible for it. They will win - their happiness. If they lose - let them not complain, the Romans used to say - "woe to the vanquished";
3) My relative is really not a Russian soldier. And if they called him that, he would be very offended and in response "offended by action" (lawyers seem to say so);
4) Half of Belgium speaks German and half speak French. What does not stop the Belgians from considering themselves Belgians, and not Germans or French;
5) Stolypin spoke about the interests of his state.

[already a Muscovite]

Quote: Diana

The only true war crime is defeat

Well, of course ... ahhh ... What is this mess in my head ??
War crimes are crimes of military service committed by military personnel (failure to fulfill an order, desertion, theft, recluse, and the like).


War crimes - a collective term denoting particularly serious violations of international humanitarian law during the conduct of military (combat) operations:
the killing, torture and slavery of prisoners of war as well as civilians caught in the war zone
hostage taking and killing
unjustified destruction of civilian infrastructure
destruction of homes and settlements without military necessity
etc .
War crimes of a massive nature, with a large number of victims, are considered crimes against humanity, and are not subject to national military courts, but to international military tribunals. Due to the extreme seriousness of crimes against humanity, the statute of limitations does not apply.
Here Ukraine as a state, and the Ukrainian army fall on all counts.

[Diana]

This is not a "mess", it is a habit to documents in Ukrainian.
In Ukrainian, there is no distinction between "military" and "military" - one word is used to designate both concepts - "viyskiy". But yes, I meant what is called "war crimes" in Russian.
In fact: commandment of comrade Ludendorff "Military need does not know the word" cannot " for me it has more weight than some kind of "international" humanitarian law.
And what Ukraine and its army will "fall under" depends only on the outcome of the war. If we lose, they will be to blame for everything. We win - victory will write off everything.

[already a Muscovite]

Quote: Diana

In Ukrainian, there is no distinction between "military" and "military" - one word is used to designate both concepts - "viyskiy".

Which only confirms the artificial filling of concepts in the Ukrainian language. Warrior - from the word warrior. Military - from the word war.

Quote: Diana

victory will write everything off.

Victory will not write anything off. Time is not right.

[Diana]

Time for this is always "that". "Woe to the vanquished" - period.

[hhhhhhh]

Yes, you would have a relative in the place of Putin, would have solved the problem of Ukraine long ago by bombing the cities in which the Bandera sit together with two three million.
“Yes, the residents of Donbass are no longer our own for us.” - who are yours for you?
"I would be very offended and in response," offend by action "" - I would have scored a mouthful of govs and spat in my direction or described myself.

The soldier is designed to die so civilians do not die. For this, soldiers receive a large salary and chocolate.

[Diana]

1) The soldier is designed to kill and injure the enemy. A big salary for this ... It would be nice, but in our conditions it is not observed. The salary of a contractor begins with 260 bucks (and this is before taxes);
2) For me, Jews and Ukrainians;
3) In the place of Putin, I would have done so.
PS "Described" would you say? This is unlikely, very unlikely. Rather, I think that according to the results of the meeting, you would have to turn to a dental technician.

[hhhhhhh]

"You'd have to go to a dental technician." - to hand over your relative's teeth. The place of your relative is under the bunk, if his goal is to kill civilians.
"The soldier is designed to kill and injure the enemy." - to carry out the orders of poroshenko, and not to protect civilians. Nude nude.
"Jews and Ukrainians are my own for me;" - if only they hated Russians.))))
"I would have done that." - it's good that people like you have been hung around the EU's neck.

[already a Muscovite]

Quote: Diana

I did not leave the civil service in the Armed Forces. In 2017, she celebrated 20 years

Where did you get such a pathological passion for lying?
Ksenia and Sergey Goncharovs are "your pseudo" for "joint articles, we are called Diana Kershenbaum. (Like Timoshka Poddubny)";) :) .... for "a polemic with the newspaper we worked for then." It was over 5 years ago. I've already been lying ...

[Diana]

I give a certificate: Neither I nor my BM have ever used the pseudonym "Ksenia". The pseudonym "Diana Kershenbaum" first belonged to my BM, and then began to be used partly by me, partly by us for joint articles. However, later sometimes we signed them "Sergei Goncharov, Diana Kershenbaum". After we parted, only I use the pseudonym "Diana Kershenbaum". The pseudonym "Timofey Poddubny" is mine personally and has never been used by BM. Sergei Goncharov is not a pseudonym, but the real name and surname of BM. And yet, yes - from 1997 to the present time I have been working as a civil servant of the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (officially it is now called the National Defense University) - which did not stop me in 2002-2016. also engage in military journalism, and sometimes write on other topics.
Any questions?

[already a Muscovite]

Quote: Diana

Any questions?

Yes, what questions ... the main thing is that your own excuse would suit you.

[flint]

Well, if all this is true, then in the future it may come back to haunt her. Already now a bunch of indignant snot on the outskirts about "how she can be forgiven for the murder of heroes of the ATO. And the regime may need her alive and unharmed for a short time, and then she can be “removed”, accusing Russia of revenge and creating a good stir about this. If she really fell for some kind of gingerbread, then this is sheer stupidity. An ordinary person cannot play such games.

[LeonidL]

Another fake, as with the arrest of "Tashkent" in Rostov. She did not go over, but was stupidly kidnapped in Moldova when visiting relatives. I went there after leaving the DPR army.

[LAWNER]

I listened to her interview and was "horrified" ... She knows more than Gerasimov and the General Staff.

[beeper]

Quote: LAWNER

I listened to her interview and was "horrified" ... She knows more than Gerasimov and the General Staff.

And she is also an "underground worker" who "obtained the documents that made it possible to organize the undermining of eight" newest Russian tanks with secret forms "" ??? ...
Vidos, of course, this woman is very "crumpled" and unhappy - her eyes are kind of "sick", they do not shine or glow! It’s for nothing that “right now, kohannya usyogo zhytyta” allegedly “cheated” ... apparently, she is really very sick and wants to ensure the future of her children at such a price, because in Moldovan villages, life is also “not a fountain” and in order to freely travel to work in Europe it is necessary "enroll in Romanians" ....?!
By the way, Sveta probably does not know that according to the angry admission of the well-known "bastard" Baba Fari (in Ukrainian kindergartens, she is a living illustration of the feisty Baba Yozhka, the baby-eater), Ukrainian citizens who have "Zapadensky" surnames in "-uk" and " -yuk ", as well as with the" skhidnyatskoy "surname ending in" -ko ", this is, in Farion's way (from some kind of hangover, there is a" great Irkina secret "! ), "nespravzhni ukrayintsi (fake Ukrainians)", even if at the same time they wear, never taking off, "embroidery (even though cheap Chinese, though expensive, handmade)" - "they put on embroidery, but only pretend to be Ukrainians (even if everywhere and they constantly sing the Ukrainian State Hymn, and jump with might and main like "nemoskali") ", i.e. are also people of "second class", in comparison with Poroshenko's "real Ukrainians" "from Galychyns" ?!
P.S. If a film about her was filmed, then you need to show it as planned, by May 9, and in the final credits add the news that the life circumstances of "Veterok" suddenly changed dramatically - the patriot of the DPR became a victim of the operation of the Ukrainian special services and further the expression "tell the audience everything as in that" explanation of the people's militia "- it's time to learn (how much more do you need to click on the nose with all sorts of" squeaks "to learn ??? ) use in their propaganda, "explaining" in their favor, any enemy intrigues and, even, grow to the point of organizing winning "information leads" themselves!

[polar fox]

and when the opposite infa appears, citizens commentators, happily changing shoes in the air will scream rya and throw panties up?

[BAI]

In the morning it was

LNR she left with a package of important documents. Thanks to her information, Ukrainian units destroyed eight T-72 tanks.

Now they have kidnapped.
One thing is clear - the thing is dark.

[Uh Neuhov]

Will they forgive her that she fought against the Armed Forces of Ukraine and "nationalist militants"? Did they give a 100% guarantee that no one would avenge her and her children? So she and her children can live peacefully in Ukraine and not fear for their lives, only “kindness” is there ... And what is her attitude towards Bandera, Shukhevych?

[BISMARCK94]

The war of two propaganda and whom to believe is not clear ...

[jaroff]

Damn with her, with a woman. Information is interesting about her commander, that in a marine uniform. And a capacious description of his human qualities.

[XXXIII]

Quote: zharyoff

Damn with her, with a woman. Information is interesting about her commander, that in a marine uniform. And a capacious description of his human qualities.

Yes, there they already tied everyone, even those who are in the same line for bread standing in the canteen ....

[cat Rusich]

Druck - remember the fate of Nadia Savchenko

[Diana]

The commander of the female tank crew ?? Ha! Chief of staff of a tank regiment - do not want ??

[XXXIII]

Quote: Diana

The commander of the female tank crew ?? Ha! Chief of staff of a tank regiment - do not want ??

The punishment will be even stronger .....

[Diana]

We will see.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Diana

We will see.

Do you think they will give a hero?

[Diana]

"Well - it's unlikely!" (C)
But an apartment, a lift, decent work and small education is very possible.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Diana

"Well - it's unlikely!" (C)
But an apartment, a lift, decent work and small education is very possible.

Not that it will be too bold, I don't remember that "Ukrainians" were so generous ...

[Diana]

It strongly depends on the meaning of the person who has come over to our side for us and for the enemy. And naturally, the "thank you package" is not advertised.

[XXXIII]

And what could she know of such a secret, strategic plan for the DPR attack on Kiev? Blown story, probably gone just for love, but in another village they will say differently .....

Quote: Diana

Chief of staff of a tank regiment - do not want ??

Quote: Diana

the "thank you package" is not advertised.

[bone1]

What are these women thinking?

[XXXIII]

Quote: Bone1

What are these women thinking?

I know for sure with the body, but what part, I find it difficult to say....

[artifact]

The official representative of the DPR People's Militia Department, Daniil Bezsonov, issued a statement in connection with the abduction of Dryuk.
“The enemy managed to kidnap Dryuk Svetlana, who at the beginning of the year was dismissed from the ranks of the DPR NM at her own request due to deteriorating health
A special SBU operation was carried out on the territory of Moldova to detain her and transport her to the territory of Ukraine.
At the moment, Ukrainian special services and propagandists are actively working with Svetlana, using savage methods of influencing her through children, as well as relatives and people close to her.
Svetlana, first of all, is a mother, and in these conditions one should expect any statements, even the most ridiculous ones, that will be imposed on her.”
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1551710137

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

1. There are no tank regiments in the LDPR. There were only linear tank battalions and companies as part of brigades, regiments and separate battalions and separate tank battalions as part of corps...
2. Perhaps, judging by the plot of ukrotelevision, Veterok allegedly served in the 11th regiment of the 1AK Armed Forces (former Oplot battalion). However, it is doubtful, because the Ukrainians declared a certain lieutenant colonel in a Marine Corps uniform as the regiment commander. And the Marine Corps is 9 Oshmsp (MP)
. Perhaps she was there in the position of ZKP, but this is unlikely. Lieutenant Colonel position. Mininum would have been a major. And 1AK reports that she was dismissed in 2018 with the rank of captain. I think that most likely at the time of her dismissal she was the ZKB for the radar of the tank battalion of the 11th separate infantry fighting unit or the 9th separate motorized infantry fighting service (mp) of the 1st AK.
3. I knew her since the summer of 2015. Then she was already a captain and deputy commander of the Cheburashka battalion for working with personnel. Cheburashek was then introduced into the 9th Regiment as a line rifle battalion. At least half of the battalion consisted of former criminals and other “declassed elements.” Battalion commander Vanya Vesely is a special story! What educational work there! Of course, she didn’t monitor any radar, but she was constantly running around at the regimental headquarters with papers. And someone should do this too.
4. She did not shine with intelligence and education. However, she was well-mannered and reasonable. She was obviously motivated as an officer of the DPR Armed Forces. She hated Ukrov. My husband also served in the battalion. And I’m sure it would never have occurred to anyone to assume that Svetka would become a traitor.
5. After the disbandment of the battalion for anarchism in 2016, Veterok left the regiment along with most of the Cheburashka officers. I heard that they all ended up in the guard regiment of the late Zakharchenko. It was the military unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR.

[Diana]

SB finally gave an official comment. Really - not chief of staff of a tank regiment.
"Chief of Staff of the Tank Battalion of the 11th Separate Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 1st Army Corps of the People's Militia of the DPR"

[Barmaleyka]

there was no need to chew snot in '14

[Moskovit]

If she had arrived in a tank, it would still have had an effect. And so. I don’t think this affected the defense capability of the LDPR.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Moskovit

If she had arrived in a tank, it would still have had an effect. And so. I don’t think this affected the defense capability of the LDPR.

They wrote that seven tanks were knocked out by the DPR, but this is inaccurate, there is a lot of information and it is inaccurate.....

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

By the way, she was awarded an order, not a medal, for Military Valor. But they never just gave it away.

[XXXIII]

Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY

By the way, she was awarded an order, not a medal, for Military Valor. But they never just gave it away.

Nowadays, a lot of things are given simply...

[Kelwin]

Roman, since you’re on the subject, what do you think, or give us a hint of what we should think? I think this is a dirty game...

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

The information about seven exploded tanks at the Torez training ground is utter nonsense.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

From Thorez? I lived there as a child. Grandfather and grandmother worked on the tribis.

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

Quote: XXXIII

Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY

By the way, she was awarded an order, not a medal, for Military Valor. But they never just gave it away.

Nowadays, a lot of things are given simply...

So you got it and earned it “simply”.

[XXXIII]

Quote: ROMAN VYSOTSKY

So you got it and earned it “simply”.

I don’t need it, I have an October badge and I was born in the USSR and was wrapped in the Golden Fleece.....

[Lucky_bard]

He will take a “worthy” place among the renegades next to Potebnya, Schmidt and Krylenko.

[Vkd dvk]

Congratulations to the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the acquisition. The crap moves into its native environment.
Congratulations to DLNR on getting rid of the crap.

[Second major]

The ROA also had such a pilot-hero of the USSR. So for now, oddly enough, the versions of both sides seem true to me.

[loki565]

Before the elections, just how everything coincided)))

[Azazelo]

Stupid. He will sit in the dungeons of the SBU and if he survives he will sober up.

[Antares]

One of the conditions for her transition was the transfer of her children to Ukrainian-controlled territory. The counterintelligence officers of the SBU successfully coped with this task, and now they are together with their mother.

in general, another film was promised for May 8 ...
this is war. Such as it is.
And in such situations, usually one side must say that this is all fake and staged, the second that it is important.
In the information environment, everything can look contradictory. But in fact, undermining the enemy's faith also costs money. Although, judging by the actions of the "Ukrainian DRG" in ORDiLO, there is little that depends on them (on the locals). They seized control a long time ago and use it to the fullest.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

crests only know how to fight with women and children. It is quite possible that a person was broken.

[Alexdark]

What to say? From one shit to another. Two sides, but there is no difference.

[Kelwin]

Something is not so obvious here... Most likely it was hit hard, you can assume different things, but these “secret documents” are like a Powell test tube - where did the tankman get such “documents”... this is heresy...

[Стена]

She is a woman and that says it all. There are many people who want to see a woman’s body in the field, so draw your own conclusions.

[kitpit]

Most likely from the smear about the capture of children in Moldova. A complete failure of counterintelligence and the GB is a laughing stock. The question is not even about the rat, but what conclusions and subsequent measures will be taken. Banderlogs have been playing for a long time according to the adult version of Motorola Givi, and so on and so forth. Where is the answer?

[113262a]

The longer the canoe with the Minsk drags on, the more such and worse characters there will be! The probability increases significantly. The man lived in hope for the best, for the soon better, and shed blood, and drank a spoonful of the delights of service! Living in the realities of the LDPR, with children and allowance (with all allowances) of 25-30 thousand. That is, on the salary of a Moscow Tajik janitor.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is simply betrayal and there is nothing to justify here.

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

Quote: KelWin

Roman, since you’re on the subject, what do you think, or give us a hint of what we should think? I think this is a dirty game...

I don’t know, honestly, what to think. At first I felt shocked. I can't believe it in my heart. But everything that concerns women is not regulated by logic.

[Kelwin]

Thank you. Everything that you wrote above does not give any reason to doubt the person, so we will consider it a dirty provocation and hope that Svetlana will be able to cope...

[Bshkaus]

we will consider it a dirty provocation
How would you not understand that there is a group of people who have a good sense of which way the wind is blowing. Svetlana feels great in troubled waters and deftly takes advantage of everything.
Look, when it all started in 2014, she realized well that she could rise well on the wave of patriotism and the Russian world, and she successfully did it, becoming the heroine and even the prototype of a character from the film.
Now she feels in the same way that “the raspberries are over” and there is nothing further to catch in the LDPR, so she caught the oncoming trend and, with a flick of the wrist, turned into the heroine of Ukraine.
The smartest was, of course, Girkin, who at the age of 14 realized that he was not arousing any “annexation”, and the Russian Federation, to put it mildly, does not care about the people of Donbass.
Prilepin is now the deputy head of the Moscow Art Theater, who has given up on the “idea”.
Well, whoever is stupider - they buried him long ago with a cross, in a cemetery, and forgot...

[Bshkaus]

Young man, I understand that maximalism is seething in your ardent blood, but you still decide to begin with:
but it doesn’t happen and it never will Yeah, when I was accepted into the “Octobers,” they also taught me that “Lenin is more alive than all the living,” they predicted career growth as a pioneer, Komsomol member, and even communist, however, six months after I became an Octobrist, they forgot about Lenin...
Or does it happen?
what you say is technically possible
And if you agree with me that it is still possible, then why look at the problem narrowly and one-sidedly, declaring
All this heresy is possible in only one case - when they are forced so much that you are tired of refusing
And if not in one, but in many? It means there will be more cases, and you will all be foaming at the mouth saying “this doesn’t happen?”

[Kelwin]

Mmm, I can hardly be defined as a young man, I’m 42 and you won’t be able to piss in my ears (you’re probably over 50, they say that thing that distinguishes a grandfather from a woman is atrophying) I said that you are talking about heresy. hit the fence)

[Bshkaus]

Mmm, I can hardly be defined as a young man, I'm 42
There are three types of age:
1 passport, here I’m not going to challenge your 42.
2 biological - I have no idea what kind of it you have, but I sincerely wish it was youthful))) (it doesn’t wake up too much).
3 Psychological, exactly the one I had in mind. Forgive me, but your manner of conversation and thoughts, with all due respect, do not resemble 42. But don’t be upset, I know people at 65 with whom you are a “spiritual old man.”

[lopuhan2006]

The rats ran from the ship. Uncertainty encourages action.

[pafegosoff]

Nadya number two. In a month they will go to jail for trying to blow something up. In the meantime, let her become a deputy! The main thing is to go barefoot to the Rada.

[Maalkavianin]

Normal process. I think more people will join soon.

[tarragon]

I've been watching here for a long time. Well, who else doesn’t understand that there is an information war going on. And in this war they gave advantages to the enemies from overseas. Fighters against the regime, damn it.

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

Quote: Diana

My daughter is already adult and independent.
A relative of my sister’s husband spoke well about civilians (now he is an officer of our General Staff). It sounded something like this: "If in order to save the lives of 500 of my soldiers it will be necessary to kill 5000 women and children from the enemy population and the decision is in my will, I will not hesitate to make that decision."
And constitutionality ... "When the interests of the State speak - the law must be silent" (c) (Stolypin)

Not a single Russian officer would say that.
Not a single Russian commander would give such a command.
You are Mankurts.

[Leopold]

Novel Higher up the thread, a colleague “already a Muscovite” posted interesting data on this supposedly “Diana”. These are a couple of journalists from Ukraine. So, don't bother answering them. Useless.

[Diana]

Well, what to take from the “already Moskvach”...

[ccsr]

Quote: Leopold

posted interesting data on this supposedly “Diana”. These are a couple of journalists from Ukraine. So, don't bother answering them. Useless.

Agree. But sometimes you need to show others how vile little people Svidomo have raised.

[iljael]

You are right, it is not enough to be born Russian, they need to BECOME!

[Diana]

When the General Staff of the Red Army gave the go-ahead for the Allies to bomb Dresden, were there non-Russian officers at the headquarters? Or mankurts??

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

The Bombing of Dresden (German Luftangriffe auf Dresden, English Bombing of Dresden) was a series of bombings of the German city of Dresden carried out by the Royal Air Force of Great Britain and the United States Air Force from February 13 to 15, 1945 during World War II. As a result of the bombing, about a quarter of the city's industrial enterprises and about half of the remaining buildings (city infrastructure and residential buildings) were destroyed or seriously damaged. According to the US Air Force, traffic through the city was paralyzed for several weeks. Estimates of the number of dead varied from 25 thousand in official German wartime reports to 200 and even 500 thousand. In 2008, a commission of German historians commissioned by the city of Dresden estimated the number of deaths to range from 18 to 25 thousand people. On March 17, 2010, the official report of the commission, which has been working since 2004, was presented. According to the report, the Allied bombing of Dresden in February 1945 killed 25 thousand people[1]. The official report of the commission was posted on the Internet[2].

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

When the General Staff of the Red Army gave the go-ahead for the Allies to bomb Dresden, were there non-Russian officers at the headquarters? Or mankurts??

The General Staff of the Red Army could not give the go-ahead or ban on the bombing of Dresden, because this operation was carried out by the Allies, and the only thing they could do was request, so this to approve joint areas of combat use of our aviation and allied aviation in order to avoid “friendly fire”.
Now it is clear that you were lying when you said “I work as a civil servant at the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” because only journalists can not know the basics of military affairs and invent tall tales.
However, I admit that you work there as a cleaner, but there is too much ambition, and the cat has cried for military knowledge...

[Diana]

For general development, I recommend reading the memoirs of Army General Shtemenko.
There it is written in plain English to the Russians that after the distribution of occupation zones in Germany between the allies, strategic bombing targets in the future Soviet zone of occupation were agreed upon with the Soviet side (specifically, the General Staff of the spacecraft).

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

strategic bombing targets in the future Soviet zone of occupation were agreed upon with the Soviet side

So I told you that we “agreed” and not because you lied -

The General Staff of the Red Army gave the go-ahead for the Allied bombing

If you had any idea about military vocabulary, then you would know that "give the go-ahead", i.e. give permission, maybe only the boss, and the allies were not subordinate to the chief of the Red Army General Staff, that’s why they are just agreed your actions. Just like the Americans and the Russian leadership are doing in Syria - however, you are too far from military knowledge, and you also undertake to “recommend” something to me.

[Diana]

You concept "veto" familiar, “bearer of military knowledge”?
The General Staff of the spacecraft may not have authorized the bombing of an object in the future Soviet occupation zone. He couldn’t order the bombing, but he could completely prohibit the bombing. This happened, for example, with Prague at the request of the Czechoslovak government in exile after the first one or two (I don’t remember) bombings of the city. The Allied Strategic Air Command in Europe methodically continued to add Prague to the list of targets, and the General Staff of the Spacecraft also methodically crossed Prague off this list. Result - Prague was no longer bombed..

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

The General Staff of the spacecraft may not have authorized the bombing of an object in the future Soviet occupation zone.

Well, the Allies would have sent our General Staff and carried out the bombing under their own responsibility.
Our General Staff did not command the Allied troops - can you even understand that?

Quote: Diana

The Allied Strategic Air Command in Europe methodically continued to add Prague to the list of targets, and the General Staff of the Spacecraft also methodically crossed Prague off this list.

They did this entirely voluntarily, and not because our General Staff forbade them to do so. Do you even understand how the concept of “coordination” differs from the concept of “by order”?
I don't think you have any idea what it is.

[Diana]

The Allies could not “send” the General Staff of the spacecraft in this matter. And for a very simple reason - this order was agreed upon by the Big Three in Yalta. And hammering home the decisions of our own Supreme Commanders is, let’s say, somewhat fraught. In short, this was not voluntary self-restraint, but pedantic execution of the joint decision of political leaders. The Allied command could have ignored the position of the General Staff of the spacecraft only if Roosevelt and Churchill had given the go-ahead for this, then yes.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

The Allies could not “send” the General Staff of the spacecraft in this matter.

How could they - according to the negotiations, the Allies promised to open a second front first in 1942, then in 1943, but actually opened it only in the summer of 1944.

Quote: Diana

The Allied command could have ignored the position of the General Staff of the spacecraft only if Roosevelt and Churchill had given the go-ahead for this, then yes.

And why did the Allies not disband a huge part of the German troops until August 1945, although they were obliged to disarm them and begin filtration immediately after the surrender?

[Diana]

1) In 1942, the allies did not promise a second front. This was published following the results of negotiations with the USSR for the purpose of propaganda and diverting the attention of the Germans to the West, but Stalin and the General Staff of the spacecraft knew that there would be no strategic landing. Only temporary operational and only if the Eastern Front begins to collapse. In any case, this issue was not resolved at the headquarters level. There they took the lead and carried out what was decided by the political leadership;
2) Have you heard about the “Unthinkable” plan? Again - Churchill ordered, the imperial general staff took the lead, and got down to business.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

In 1942, the allies did not promise a second front. This was published following the results of negotiations with the USSR for the purpose of propaganda and diverting the attention of the Germans to the West, but Stalin and the General Staff of the spacecraft knew that there would be no strategic landing. Only temporary operational and only if the Eastern Front begins to collapse.

Your lie can be easily refuted by the memoirs of F. Golikov, who, just two days after the start of the war, received personal instructions from Stalin regarding the opening of a second front in negotiations with the allies:

An important place in the conversation was occupied by the question of the size and nature of British assistance to the Soviet Union as a whole in the war against the common enemy - Hitler's Germany. The essence of the position of the Soviet government, as it was stated to the leadership of the Soviet military mission, was to appeal to the British government, as an ally in the anti-Hitler coalition, with a proposal to open military operations against Germany in Europe, as well as to provide assistance to the USSR with military materials. Specifically, we were instructed to raise the issue with the British government about the sequential implementation of the following operations: Operation No. 1 - the creation of a common front with the British in the North (in the Arctic). The British could send naval and air forces to this front, and the Soviet Union could send the navy, aviation and several divisions of ground forces. The Soviet government considered it expedient for the allies to occupy the islands of Spitsbergen and Bear in the near future, which was necessary to ensure sea communications between the USSR and England, as well as the United States of America. Operation No. 2 - the landing of a significant contingent of British troops in northern France. When discussing this point, I.V. Stalin, on behalf of the Soviet government, instructed us to convey gratitude to the British government for the actions of British aviation in bombing Nazi Germany. But this, he said, is not enough. The Soviet people would like Great Britain to carry out a “French operation”, i.e. landing of British troops on French territory, if not now, then at least in a month. The operation in the North, which was discussed above, is only the bare minimum, which also needs to be carried out as quickly as possible. The Soviet people, repeated I.V. Stalin would like more help than what he is receiving now; and if they, i.e. allies cannot do more, then what kind of help is this? Operation No. 3 - combat operations of British troops in the Balkans. But in terms of timing and the forces involved, this operation should be given a secondary place compared to the fighting in the West. This point of view of the Soviet government on the issue of a second front in Europe was reflected in the address of the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR to the Prime Minister of Great Britain on July 18, 1941. This address said: “A front in northern France could not only draw Hitler’s forces away from the East, but would also make Hitler’s invasion of England impossible. The creation of such a front would be popular both in the British army and among the entire population of southern England. I imagine the difficulty of creating such a front, but it seems to me that, despite the difficulties, it should be created not only for the sake of our common cause, but also for the sake of the interests of England itself."183.

[Diana]

Well, they just turned them into dust and swan's down!
By the way, if you haven’t noticed, I didn’t write about Comrade’s wishes. Stalin (who really bombarded the allies with demands for the opening of a “second front” since the summer of 1941), but about the results of negotiations with Churchill in Moscow in 1942, when the date for its opening was set as “the second half of the spring of 1943.” Read about this, for example, for general development, the correspondence of Comrade. Stalin from vol. Roosevelt and Churchill. It was published in mass circulation back in the USSR, and now it can probably be found on the Internet. I strongly suspect that Stalin knew much better than Golikov about what Churchill personally promised him.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

By the way, if you haven’t noticed, I didn’t write about Comrade’s wishes. Stalin

By the way, it was said that at the negotiations in 1941, the allies assumed that the opening of a second front could take place in 1942 and this was recorded in the protocols.

Quote: Diana

I strongly suspect that Stalin knew much better than Golikov about what Churchill personally promised him.

So I believe that Churchill fed Stalin’s promises of opening a second front back in 1941.

Quote: Diana

Read about this, for example, for general development, the correspondence of Comrade. Stalin from vol. Roosevelt and Churchill.

Don’t cheat - I gave you a specific text from F. Golikov’s memoirs, and you, like that thimble-maker, don’t even send me to the text, but you don’t even give me links to it. A well-known example of demagogues, move on.

[Diana]

Churchill couldn't "feed Stalin with promises back in 1941".
Then the British only had the Roundup plan in case of a complete failure of the Germans in the East, like Napoleon in 1812, and did not have the strength for more.
Planning for the “second front” began only at the turn of 1941/42. - when the United States entered the war.
And the link... If BM wants to rummage through his library about this, I’ll give it to you tomorrow.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

Churchill could not “feed Stalin with promises back in 1941.”

Churchill was not the only ally.

Quote: Diana

And the link... If BM wants to rummage through his library about this, I’ll give it to you tomorrow.

Everything is clear with you. Enlighten yourself:
Diplomacy during the war years (1941–1945)
Israelyan Viktor Levonovich
Soviet-American negotiations and agreement on the opening of a second front in 1942

In connection with the April message of the American President, the Soviet government instructed its ambassador in Washington to clarify what specific issues the President would like to discuss when meeting with Soviet representatives. In response to this, Roosevelt said that he and his advisers had come to the conclusion that it was necessary to open a second front against Germany by landing in France, but that this plan had not yet been approved by England and that he would like the Soviet government to help him “strengthen this plan "[165].

On April 20, 1942, in a response message to the president, the USSR government stated that it agreed to send Soviet representatives to Washington “to exchange views on the issue of organizing a second front in Europe in the near future.” The message indicated that these representatives would also visit London to exchange views with the British government[166].

During the conversation that took place upon delivery of this message, Roosevelt informed the Soviet ambassador about the mission of Marshall and Hopkins to England. He said that the British were in favor of a second front only “in principle,” but in practice they were trying to postpone its opening until 1943, while he insisted on creating a second front now. Roosevelt also said that it seemed desirable to him that the Soviet representatives, on their way back from Washington, would stop in London, so that, speaking both on their own behalf and on his behalf, they could exert double pressure on the British government[167].

[Diana]

It’s interesting why you quote so persistently secondary sources when there are completely clear primary ones?
"Correspondence of the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR with the Presidents of the USA and Prime Ministers of Great Britain during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945", 2nd edition, Moscow, 1986, volume I.
Document No. 65, Stalin - Churchill 13.08.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX:

As a result of an exchange of opinions in Moscow, which took place on August 12 of this year, I established that the British Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, considers the organization of a second front in Europe in 1942 impossible.

And further Stalin reproaches Churchill for violating the promise he allegedly made in June 1942.
Document No. 66, Churchill to Stalin the next day:

Neither Britain nor the United States broke any promise. I draw attention to paragraph 5 of my memorandum, handed to Mr. Molotov on June 10, 1942, which clearly states “Therefore, we cannot make any promise” [to open a “second front” in 1942]

And further it is stated that talk Regarding the Anglo-American invasion of France in 1942, three goals were pursued:
1) pin down German forces on the coast of Western Europe;
2) support the morale of the Soviet people;
3) hide (for obvious reasons) deep differences between the allies on the issue of a “second front.”
November 27, 1942 Stalin expresses hope to Churchill (document No. 89)

that this does not mean abandoning your promise in Moscow to organize a second front in Western Europe in the spring of 1943

Those. the question in the documents was exhaustively explained back in the Soviet pre-perestroika era - without any Golikovs and Israelis.
PS Separately, I’m looking forward to a fascinating story about how the United States could open a “second front” without the support of England.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

Document No. 65, Stalin - Churchill 13.08.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX:

Maybe stop cheating and bring documents from August 1942?
Better yet, cite documents from 1941, from which it follows that the issue of opening a second front in 1942 was considered immediately after Germany’s attack on the USSR, and Roosevelt considered such a landing to be quite real.

Quote: Diana

Those. the question in the documents was exhaustively explained back in the Soviet pre-perestroika era - without any Golikovs and Israelis.

Learn to work with historical materials first, and not slip in documents from a later period, in the hope that you will not be caught cheating.

[Diana]

A weak, very weak attempt.
Question about the "second front" was put since 1941. But the first Arrangement about the opening of a “second front” was achieved only in 1942. And the date was 1943 (spring). And I’m not interested in wishlists (who “counted” what) - well, except to have pure fun. Reynaud believed that the United States should have entered the war in June 40 - in order to “save France” from some point in time. The solutions and the extent to which they were implemented are interesting.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

A weak, very weak attempt.
The question of a “second front” has been raised since 1941. But the first agreement on the opening of a “second front” was reached only in 1942.

You are cheating again, because I was just saying that questions about opening a second front in 1942 were raised back in 1941, and since the question was the subject of discussion, it means there was such a possibility and this confirms Roosevelt’s words. If such an opportunity did not exist, then the issue of opening a second front would not be on the agenda of the upcoming negotiations - learn the materiel, “historian”...

[Diana]

First of all, I am not a historian. It wasn't enough to spend five years on what you can learn with the help of the library and the Internet. Secondly, even if the question was raised, this does not mean that such an opportunity existed. When the spacecraft significantly raked near Moscow in October 41, the question of landing almost 30 British divisions in the north of the European part of the Union was also raised by Stalin - so what?
Briefly speaking. Did I give you a source? Dala. So find in it a letter from Churchill or Roosevelt to Stalin with obligation open a “second front” in 1942. If you find it, then we'll talk. And your talents in terms of artistic whistling (very small, by the way) are absolutely not interesting to me.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

First of all, I am not a historian.

This was clear from the first words.

Quote: Diana

Secondly, even if the question was raised, this does not mean that such an opportunity existed.

If this is not possible, then the issue is not included on the agenda - I already told you about this.

Quote: Diana

Briefly speaking. Did I give you a source? Dala.

In short, you are talking nonsense, but what is written in the source is Chinese writing for you.
So with the same success you can comment on the negotiations of False Dmitry with the Poles - “success” is guaranteed to you.

[Diana]

Idle chatter.
1) If the parties have different views on the possibility of doing something, this “something” may well become the subject of discussion. Because an ally needs to explain his position at a minimum;
2) I repeat the question: where is at least one document with obligations Great Britain and the USA to open a “second front” in 1942?

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

2) I repeat the question: where is at least one document with the obligations of Great Britain and the United States to open a “second front” in 1942?

Don't tell me - if they had SIGNED a document on the opening of a second front in 1942, they would have been obliged to do so. But their policy was precisely to feed Stalin with promises that they would allegedly open a second front in 1942, in 1943, and finally in 1944, when it became obvious that the USSR was able to end the war in Europe without allies.
By the way, the Allies did not have any problems with the opening of a second front in 1942 in Normandy - they had been unsuccessfully fighting the Germans in North Africa for a long time, and even from a logistics point of view these are more costly operations than supplying troops in Normandy.
However, for you this is still an empty phrase - as they say, this is not given to you.

[Diana]

Allies not would be obliged to do this. They could refuse their obligations. Which happened more than once. The Allies gave written commitments for the “second front” 4 times - in the spring of 1943, no later than August 1, 43, no later than May 1, 44, no later than July 1, 44. And all these obligations are clearly recorded in documents. There is no obligation to open this front in 42 in the documents.
And yes - Churchill was generally a supporter of concentrating efforts on the Mediterranean theater. Not everything is determined by the cargo delivery shoulder, “logistics strategist” you are ours.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

They could refuse their obligations. Which happened more than once.

Then it is not clear why you do not believe that in 1941 they discussed the opening of a second front in 1942, if this was reflected in the instructions received by F. Golikov from Stalin.

Quote: Diana

There is no obligation to open this front in 42 in the documents.

Even if they were, this does not mean that they would not have delayed its opening until 1944. It was not part of their plans to open a second front earlier, until they realized that they could manage without them.

Quote: Diana

And yes - Churchill was generally a supporter of concentrating efforts on the Mediterranean theater.

He was not any special supporter - he had a fear of a new Dunkirk, which is why he decided that it would be possible to wage war against Rommel’s corps for several years, without any special losses for the nation.

[Diana]

1) I wrote somewhere “I don’t believe they discussed it”?? Hello, we've arrived! If Stalin himself, through Molotov and through Maisky and through Litvinov, raised this question more than once, they should have discussed it. But I repeat once again: discussing does not mean either agreeing with the possibility, much less taking on an obligation;
2) There was no agreed plan between England and the United States to delay the opening of a “second front” until 1944. They generally had a big problem coordinating plans both with each other and within their own leadership. There is a very good Soviet book on this topic (although it seems to be a bibliographic rarity), the author is Professor Koval, tomorrow I will post the exact output data for you;
3) Churchill had a “fad” - a “soft underbelly” (the Balkans and all that). Dunkirk has absolutely nothing to do with it. They still write “alternative history” about this. Moreover, entire English generals.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

There was no agreed plan between England and the United States to delay the opening of a “second front” until 1944.

But he is not needed - verbal agreements are enough to sabotage Stalin’s requests.

Quote: Diana

Churchill had a “fad” - a “soft underbelly” (the Balkans and all that). Dunkirk has absolutely nothing to do with it. They still write “alternative history” about this. Moreover, entire English generals.

He had no fad - he is a pragmatist to the core, and an ardent Russophobe, which is why he did not want the influence of the USSR in the Balkans to grow, and not because he suffered from some kind of “fad,” taking into account the fact that the British Empire was not yet fell apart.
As for Dunkirk, this fear hovered in the minds of the allies until the end of the war; it was not for nothing that they were so frightened at the end of 1944 that they rushed at Stalin’s feet with a request to urgently organize an offensive. Or have you not heard about it?

[Diana]

1) Is there evidence of such an agreement?
2) Why should Churchill have wanted the influence of the USSR in the Balkans to increase?
3) As soon as I started to get involved in military journalism in 2000, BM put me in charge of the best (of single-volume) book available in Russian about the Second World War - Tippelskirch. Read there the chronology of the battles in the Ardennes of 1944-1945. and compare it with the start date of the Vistula-Oder operation - you will be very surprised.
Well - what she promised:
Viktor Savvich Koval. US policy and strategy in World War II., Kyiv, Naukova Dumka, 1987. The circulation is only 2500, but if you find it, I highly recommend reading it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

1) Is there evidence of such an agreement?

Naturally, the second front was opened only in 1944.

Quote: Diana

2) Why should Churchill have wanted the influence of the USSR in the Balkans to increase?

What does Churchill have to do with the Balkans - haven’t you been choked with such a question?

Quote: Diana

3) As soon as I started to get involved in military journalism in 2000, BM put me in charge of the best (of single-volume) book available in Russian about the Second World War - Tippelskirch. Read there the chronology of the battles in the Ardennes of 1944-1945. and compare it with the start date of the Vistula-Oder operation - you will be very surprised.

Why should I study someone’s opinion if it comes from a person who is not participating in the war at least at the level of the highest military command of the Red Army?
Do you want to surprise me with different Murzilkas?

Quote: Diana

Viktor Savvich Koval. US policy and strategy in World War II.,

Is he really a military historian?

Writer and author of many popular works Viktor Savvich Koval brings to your attention his best books on the pages of the book publishing catalog.

[Diana]

1) The date of the event is not evidence of the existence of an advance agreement to “link” the event to this particular date;
2) There is nothing to think about here. The same as the USSR before the Balkans. Or Germany. Or Italy;
3) These are the public opinions of the “high military command of the Red Army” - this is precisely the level of the “Murzilka”;
4) And a military historian too - more precisely, a specialist in the political and military-political aspects of the Second World War.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

2) There is nothing to think about here. The same as the USSR before the Balkans. Or Germany. Or Italy;

Then why do you give preference to Churchill's concerns?

Quote: Diana

3) These are the public opinions of the “high military command of the Red Army” - this is precisely the level of the “Murzilka”;

This is nonsense - the opinion of military experts is much more important than the opinion of some people illiterate in military affairs.

Quote: Diana

And a military historian too

Provide a link to his work on military history, where he demonstrated an analysis of at least one of the major battles of the Great Patriotic War.

[Diana]

1) Because “Churchill’s concerns” are directly related to the so-called. “the problem of the “second front” - the start date and place of concentration of the main efforts in this operation. In addition, I simply like Churchill very much Such a bulldog!
2) The “illiterate” Tippelskirch ended the war as commander-in-chief of an army group. It is time. The “memoir” opinion of Soviet military experts has been castrated by secrecy and censorship to the level of complete trash. It would be possible to really judge their intentions and actions only from collections of combat documents - if such were published after 1991. This two.
3) Military history is not only about “battles”. This includes military planning, military policy, military economics and much more. Full output of Prof. I brought Koval to you about the military planning of the Allies - look for it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

Because “Churchill’s concerns” are directly related to the so-called. “the problem of the “second front” - the start date and place of concentration of the main efforts in this operation.

There were no plans to open a second front in the Balkans, because even in Sicily the Americans faced difficulties in 1943.

Quote: Diana

The “illiterate” Tippelskirch ended the war as commander-in-chief of an army group.

The armies that lost the war - you forgot to clarify. And losers always lie when they justify their defeat.

Quote: Diana

The “memoir” opinion of Soviet military experts has been castrated by secrecy and censorship to the level of complete trash.

Give an example so it doesn't sound like blah blah blah.

Quote: Diana

Military history is not only about “battles”. This includes military planning, military policy, military economics and much more. Full output of Prof. I brought Koval to you about the military planning of the Allies - look for it.

Name this author’s works on military history, and who published them, so that you don’t hesitate later when I start commenting on his texts. Of course, if I deem it worthy.

[Diana]

1) “The Balkan version of the “second front” was not removed from the agenda until Tehran. And the allies did not have any serious difficulties in Sicily;
2) Winners lie no less, and often more than the losers. Especially when it comes to the price (in every sense) of victory. And the Wehrmacht clearly did not have to be ashamed of losing the war - taking into account the balance of forces; in any case, he performed Miracles with a capital “M” on the battlefield;
3) Read at least G.K. Zhukova; Although I.S. Konev in this regard, IMHO, is more indicative;
4) An example of such work by Prof. I brought Koval to you. Arm yourself with the sources outlined above and search.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

1) “The Balkan version of the “second front” was not removed from the agenda until Tehran.

Don’t fantasize - even the issue of landing there was not considered.

Quote: Diana

And the allies in Sicily did not have any serious difficulties;

You simply don’t know how many planes the Allies lost from their fire - but I’m not surprised.

Quote: Diana

2) Winners lie no less, and often more than the losers.

Absolutely incorrect interpretation of the famous phrase.
The full phrase reads as follows: “History is written by the winners, so it does not mention the losers.”
So, as you can see, it’s a matter of interpretation of history.

Quote: Diana

And the Wehrmacht clearly did not have to be ashamed of losing the war - taking into account the balance of forces; in any case, he performed Miracles with a capital “M” on the battlefield;

How can “professionals” plan a war in such a way that within a few weeks it turns out that Barbarossa’s plan is impossible to implement? Do you understand anything about military professionalism at least at the operational level?

Quote: Diana

At least read G.K. Zhukova; Although I.S. Konev in this regard, IMHO, is more indicative;

I not only “read” these authors, but also studied the course “History of Military Art” so that, having extensive experience, I could draw conclusions for myself about the initial stage of the war. You are unlikely to grow to this point.

[Diana]

Don’t fantasize - even the issue of landing there was not considered.

Churchill does not agree with you. And I trust him more in this matter.

You simply don’t know how many planes the Allies lost from their fire - but I’m not surprised.

25 cars is also a “problem” for me.

Absolutely incorrect interpretation of the famous phrase.
The full phrase reads as follows: “History is written by the winners, so it does not mention the losers.”
So, as you can see, it’s a matter of interpretation of history.

Beautiful and loud. But it’s no longer viable. Since the time of Napoleon, the vanquished have written history no less actively than the victors. Moreover, the interpretation of the vanquished is often more popular. I was talking about another saying: “Nowhere and never do they lie as much as in fishing, hunting and war.”

How can “professionals” plan a war in such a way that within a few weeks it turns out that Barbarossa’s plan is impossible to implement? Do you understand anything about military professionalism at least at the operational level?

Nonsense. Barbarossa was completely doable. With some adjustments that are always inevitable during such a large operation, of course. Another question: did the implementation of Barbarossa ensure victory over the USSR? But that's already a question not to OKH and OKW. And in operational art (as well as in tactics and strategy) I have good consultants.

I not only “read” these authors, but also studied the course “History of Military Art” so that, having extensive experience, I could draw conclusions for myself about the initial stage of the war. You are unlikely to grow to this point.

I read the textbook “History of Military Art” for the Higher Educational Institution. Bue-uh.... Pathetically pathetic.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

25 cars is also a “problem” for me.

You don’t know well or are misrepresenting the history of the landing:

Of the 12 gliders of the British landing force, only one reached the target, and many fell into the sea.
....On July 1, Patton ordered the landing regiments, which were in reserve, to make a drop in the center of the coast. But the British Mediterranean Fleet was not informed about this and opened fire on C-47 transport aircraft that were transporting troops to the landing site.
As a result, 114 33 transport aircraft were shot down and 37 damaged, 318 people were victims of their own fire.

https://topwar.ru/30900-mozhno-li-schitat-vysadku-soyuznikov-v-sicilii-prichinoy-prekrascheniya-germanskoy-operacii-citadel.html

Quote: Diana

Nonsense. Barbarossa was completely doable.

And why wasn’t it implemented?

Quote: Diana

I read the textbook “History of Military Art” for the Higher Educational Institution. Bue-uh.... Pathetically pathetic.

Your whole problem is that you only read it, but this course was taught to me by war veterans, and this is a big difference.

Quote: Diana

Pathetically pathetic.

I feel sorry for you too - the wretchedness of your knowledge of military affairs only evokes sympathy, because you are a typical product of modern “folk history”.

[Diana]

You don’t know well or are misrepresenting the history of the landing:
“Out of 12 gliders of the British landing force, only one reached the target, and many fell into the sea.
....On July 1, Patton ordered the landing regiments, which were in reserve, to make a drop in the center of the coast. But the British Mediterranean Fleet was not informed about this and opened fire on C-47 transport aircraft that were transporting troops to the landing site.
As a result, out of 114 transport aircraft, 33 were shot down and 37 were damaged, 318 people were victims of friendly fire."
https://topwar.ru/30900-mozhno-li-schitat-vysadku-soyuznikov-v-sicilii-prichinoy-prekrascheniya-germanskoy-operacii-citadel.html

No. I just trust Charles B. MacDonald in the translation of the Military Publishing House of the USSR Ministry of Defense a little more.

"Nonsense. Barbarossa was quite doable."
And why wasn’t it implemented?

Because at first they delayed the Moscow operation, and then did not adapt the tactics of action in it to the conditions of the muddy road (since they did delay it).

“I read the textbook “History of Military Art” for the Higher Educational Institution. Bue-uh.... Pathetically pathetic.”
Your whole problem is that you only read it, but this course was taught to me by war veterans, and this is a big difference.

I strongly suspect that I have a much better chance of getting advice from qualified specialists in the field of military art - if only because of my place of work and the specifics of my girlfriend’s profession.

I feel sorry for you too - the wretchedness of your knowledge of military affairs only evokes sympathy, because you are a typical product of modern “folk history”.

Well, let’s say I was brought up on classical works on military history. In fact, is there anything to say?

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

No. I just trust Charles B. MacDonald in the translation of the Military Publishing House of the USSR Ministry of Defense a little more.

On what basis? Or do you not know how the warring parties downplay their losses?

Quote: Diana

Because at first they delayed the Moscow operation,

They delayed it not out of their own volition, but because they did not take into account all the difficulties of the war with the Red Army. These are miscalculations in military planning.

Quote: Diana

I strongly suspect that I have a much better chance of getting advice from qualified specialists in the field of military art - if only because of my place of work and the specifics of my girlfriend’s profession.

Are you sure that you will correctly understand what will be explained to you? Maybe you can sing us Caruso's aria performed by Rabinovich?

Quote: Diana

Well, let’s say I was brought up on classical works on military history. In fact, is there anything to say?

Education and knowledge are not the same thing - first, at least understand this. What specific “classics” are you studying? Just don’t give me the name of the author you wrote about earlier - he doesn’t fall into this category.

[Diana]

No. I just trust Charles B. MacDonald in the translation of the Military Publishing House of the USSR Ministry of Defense a little more.
On what basis? Or do you not know how the warring parties downplay their losses?

On the grounds that for his time he was a world-famous historian in his field. The fact that the Union transferred the work of an “unfriendly” foreigner, and on a “politically sensitive” issue, is the best recommendation.

Because at first they delayed the Moscow operation,
They delayed it not out of their own volition, but because they did not take into account all the difficulties of the war with the Red Army. These are miscalculations in military planning.

Miscalculations of course! Who would argue!! Instead of strategic throwing around "Moscow or Kyiv?", it was necessary to quickly change the plan to the goal "и Moscow и Kyiv". The Wehrmacht had the opportunity for this - it was enough to understand the seriousness of the situation at the level of OKW and OKX and take action.

Are you sure that you will correctly understand what will be explained to you?

Sure. I have strategic and operational thinking - according to the reviews of people who know this.

What specific “classics” are you studying?

Tippelskirch, Goth, Manstein, Hattori, Dashichev. Well, and the Soviet “piles of bricks” of course - 6 and 12 volumes. (list not exhaustive)

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

The fact that the Union transferred the work of an “unfriendly” foreigner, and on a “politically sensitive” issue, is the best recommendation.

This is not at all true - in the Union a huge number of foreign authors were translated and published in small editions, whose books ended up in closed libraries. It’s strange that your mentors didn’t tell you about this.

Quote: Diana

Sure. I have strategic and operational thinking - according to the reviews of people who know this.

Maybe they're just flattering you?

Quote: Diana

Tippelskirch, Hoth, Manstein,

Do you think that those who have suffered defeat do not need to justify their mistakes? "Who are the judges?" - can you answer?

[Diana]

“The mere fact that the Union transferred the work of an “unfriendly” foreigner, and on a “politically sensitive” issue, is the best recommendation.”
This is not at all true - in the Union a huge number of foreign authors were translated and published in small editions, whose books ended up in closed libraries. It’s strange that your mentors didn’t tell you about this.

I knew this even without “mentors”. But I meant literature intended for an ordinary reader, albeit a curious one, and not for the audience of “special libraries.”

Maybe they're just flattering you?

Colonels and major generals with doctoral degrees and professorial academic titles - do they flatter the computer operator of a secret unit? You flatter me rudely!!

Do you think that those who have suffered defeat do not need to justify their mistakes? "Who are the judges?" - can you answer?

1) Experience shows that winners are no less inclined to retroactively justify their mistakes than the losers - especially if a long path led to victory, which began with an “epic fail”;
2) The judges, IMHO, are specialists (professionals and amateurs) of subsequent generations.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

I knew this even without “mentors”.

Then why did they tell me fairy tales about the book of the “unfriendly foreigner”?

Quote: Diana

Colonels and major generals with doctoral degrees and professorial academic titles - do they flatter the computer operator of a secret unit? You flatter me rudely!!

Why are you lying to me if I did all this in the nineties and without secrets in the “lexicon” on registered floppy disks?

Quote: Diana

The judges, IMHO, are specialists (professionals and amateurs) of subsequent generations.

But you are not an expert if you only type texts or other materials - aren’t you?

[Diana]

“I knew this even without “mentors.”
Then why did they tell me fairy tales about the book of the “unfriendly foreigner”?

These are not fairy tales. For a “non-permissioned audience,” an author with a reputation as “unfriendly” was published in the Union until 1988 only if he had an unconditional “name” - and even then not always.

Why are you lying to me if I did all this in the nineties and without secrets in the “lexicon” on registered floppy disks?

I missed this comment of yours. Your original question was: “Aren’t those I consult flattered me that I have the makings of strategic and operational thinking?” - I answered.

But you are not an expert if you only type texts or other materials - aren’t you?

Now I am already the beginning. Educational and training complex of the department. From March 4 this year started. Now, in fact: actually, I was engaged in military journalism for another 16 and a half years. And by no means not only at the typing level. So I can rightfully consider myself an amateur specialist with knowledge and skills well above average.

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

These are not fairy tales. For a “non-permissioned audience,” an author with a reputation as “unfriendly” was published in the Union until 1988 only if he had an unconditional “name” - and even then not always.

Don’t fool people - a huge amount of writings were published abroad, that’s why they selected the best, otherwise there would be too much waste paper, and there wouldn’t be enough translators.

Quote: Diana

I missed this comment of yours.

All normal officers where I served then knew how to use the “lexicon” to compile any documents and reference materials, and typists worked only with individual materials.

Quote: Diana

Now I am already the beginning. Educational and training complex of the department. From March 4 this year started.

Happy for you. I really don’t know what this abbreviation means, apparently I’m very behind the times. And the word “department” does not excite me - I was not connected with the educational process, but with real tasks that are not known about in such departments.

Quote: Diana

I spent another 16 and a half years doing military journalism.

This doesn’t say anything, especially since I’m not familiar with your work. But I know that you would not be allowed anywhere near what constitutes a state secret.

Quote: Diana

So I can rightfully consider myself an amateur specialist with knowledge and skills well above average.

I don't dispute this. I can only argue with some of your conclusions. By the way, who owns your department - I hope this is not a secret?

[Diana]

All normal officers where I served then knew how to use the “lexicon” to compile any documents and reference materials, and typists worked only with individual materials.

I don’t know where you served, but this is not accepted at our Academy. The document is usually dictated. And sometimes (and not so rarely) - the OKN is compiled independently (based on source materials, of course)

“Now I am already the head of the department’s teaching and learning complex. I started on March 4 of this year.”
Happy for you. I really don’t know what this abbreviation means, apparently I’m very behind the times. And the word “department” does not excite me - I was not connected with the educational process, but with real tasks that are not known about in such departments.

1) UMK is an “educational and methodological office”;
2) according to the impressions of my girlfriend - a teacher in the same department - the vast majority of our students are “related to real problems” not They know many of the “abc” basics of military art. And the students of our Academy are senior and senior officers, by the way.

I know that you would not be allowed anywhere near what constitutes a state secret.

And yet, I have a “CT OV” level clearance.

and who owns your department - I hope this is not a secret?

It’s no secret - the department belongs to the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the official current name is the Ivan Chernyakhovsky National Defense University of Ukraine)

[ccsr]

Quote: Diana

It’s no secret - the department belongs to the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the official current name is the Ivan Chernyakhovsky National Defense University of Ukraine)

You don’t have to tell me anything else - the question is closed, because the level of military affairs in Ukraine has been known to me since the mid-nineties, and I know perfectly well what such institutions are like now.

[Diana]

As you please!
I will only note “in parentheses”: the level of military affairs in Ukraine has risen very much compared to the “mid-90s”.

[SASHA OLD]

Or maybe they are now preparing a sacred sacrifice from it...

[perm23]

that we have millions of Ukrainians scurrying here and there across Russia. what’s going on in Donbass... every day through checkpoints back and forth. This is all due to uncertainty. Either an enemy or not. Otherwise we’ll play brothers and we’ll finish the game. and about women. men also often think with the wrong heads.

[Ivan Vasilievich]

Ukrainian))) That says it all)))) Mentality))) Betrayal for a piece of lard))))

[Angelo Provolone]

Well done!!! They help spread fake news. Keep it up!!!!!

[Errr]

The wind flows from the inferno to all the devils.

[113262a]

Judge not lest ye be judged! Time will show! Just the day before yesterday they admired her, they made a movie about her (although even for a heroine in the LDPR to live on 35-30 rubles with children is still a pleasure!) None of us at 14 signed up for a five-year canoe in the style of Minsk. Which of you, in the beautiful far away, would agree to exchange, even in Cherepovets, for a house in Slavyanoserbsk, a Czech project, a three-ruble apartment with a beautiful view of the Seversky Donets, (because of which, by the way, he constantly flies in!) I have little faith in slavery, but then It’s definitely not a thrill for the locals to live here! No matter how patriotic we were 4-5 years ago! Even with citizenship, they still threw it away.

[georggy]

Svetlana Dryuk has fought on the side of the DPR since 2014. She was the commander of a female tank crew.

An animal with low social responsibility.
Any working stall................................. tank commander

[Snigir]

So what happens - the film "Opolchenochka" will not be shown on May 9?

[fighter angel]

I always said that women have no place in the modern army!
Only in the event of a total war, and then after one.
It’s unclear why Shoigu is messing around with them...
Either he will recruit into the Aerospace Forces, or into the Airborne Forces...
Servants, damn it, until the first maternity leave...

[RoTTor]

firstly, the army is full of positions, especially in headquarters, in personnel, in the food and clothing service, in communications, where it is simply a sin to keep bully men. And it was unfair that in hospitals the nurses who do the bulk of the work with the sick and wounded are civilian employees without any benefits for military personnel.
Secondly, where should young officers look for brides? Now - without interruption from service.

[fighter angel]

Where to look, you say?
"Ped and Med are friends of the military!"
And one more old military wisdom: “Don’t f..p..s where you serve!”

[weddu]

New star. She will be sent to Eurovision.

[RoTTor]

Poor fool: in Ukraine, according to their law, she MUST be judged and punished.
There is no doubt that the radical fascists here will insist on punishment and will achieve their goal.

While the Ukrainian fascists and their press tituts are rejoicing.
What actually happened is not even interesting, an insignificant six in the political games, who were stupidly seduced, beaten off by the sailors and abandoned.
If you’re a fool, then there’s no cure; Nadya Savchenko didn’t learn from the example of the false heroine, since she fell for the provocateur’s dick...

But informationally the DPR lost to the Ukrainians
https://thebabel.net/news/26645-geroinya-filma-boevikov-dnr-opolchenochka-pereshla-na-storonu-ukrainy

https://news.yandex.ua/story/ZHenshhina-tankist_armii_LNR_sbezhala_na_Ukrainu--34208f304200974a101752dd8925b589

Now the militias have to fight back:

DPR denies the escape of a female tanker to Ukraine: Svetlana Dryuk was kidnapped
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/03/04/dnr-oprovergla-pobeg-na-ukrainu-zhenshhinytankista-dryuk-pokhitili.html




Borodai told how a female tanker from Donbass was lured to Ukraine
05.03.2019 8: 31 2862
https://jpgazeta.ru/boroday-obyasnil-kak-tankistka-iz-dnr-okazalas-v-medovoy-lovushke-vsu/

[Diana]

in Ukraine, according to their law, she MUST be judged and punished

Judge - yes. Punish - no. The court may exempt from criminal liability. In fact, the decision is made on the basis of a petition from the Security Council.

[Berg berg]

Well, she ran away and ran away, to hell with her! The main thing is the information that during her service she and her crew destroyed a bunch of ukrobander-fascist crap! I hope she also went to dill to poison her SBU friend and others like that behind enemy lines, but that’s as they say shhhh!

[EXPrompt]

Ukropistan.. not otherwise..
That is
1) the man went to the enemy, immediately under arrest, with an eye to long-term imprisonment in the Square.
2) met an SBU officer, apparently there in Donetsk.
3) The commander of a tank crew, even if it is a battalion, has documents to present to The Hague. Why didn’t they immediately find documents in her hands with Putin’s signatures about the invasion of Ukraine in 2014)))

The children were kidnapped, I believe it..
The rest of the lies are worse than those of the British in the Salisbury stories. Although there is the same amber in the matter as the death of Babchenko.

[garik77]

What does LPR/DPR counterintelligence do? And does it even exist in principle?

[eleronn]

I believe that the reason why the “Donetsk spring” did not happen (following the example of the Crimean spring) was that people there were looking for benefits. They lie on both sides and the truth can be learned not from journalist whores, but only from those who directly knew it. Where are your friends' comments? Acquaintances? Colleagues? She didn't live in a vacuum, did she?

[datur]

betrayed - like a woman’s lot, well, it happens - probably children!!! and even so the Banderlogs will have at least one commander!!!! otherwise everyone is homosexual!!!!

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

Quote: Diana

When the General Staff of the Red Army gave the go-ahead for the Allies to bomb Dresden, were there non-Russian officers at the headquarters? Or mankurts??

From Wikipedia.
The Bombing of Dresden (German Luftangriffe auf Dresden, English Bombing of Dresden) was a series of bombings of the German city of Dresden carried out by the Royal Air Force of Great Britain and the United States Air Force from February 13 to 15, 1945 during World War II. As a result of the bombing, about a quarter of the city's industrial enterprises and about half of the remaining buildings (city infrastructure and residential buildings) were destroyed or seriously damaged. According to the US Air Force, traffic through the city was paralyzed for several weeks. Estimates of the number of dead varied from 25 thousand in official German wartime reports to 200 and even 500 thousand. In 2008, a commission of German historians commissioned by the city of Dresden estimated the number of deaths to range from 18 to 25 thousand people. On March 17, 2010, the official report of the commission, which has been working since 2004, was presented. According to the report, the Allied bombing of Dresden in February 1945 killed 25 thousand people[1]. The official report of the commission was posted on the Internet[2].

[Retvizan 8]

Well, my aunt is lucky, now she will receive a Ukrainian passport and with it she will have the opportunity to travel to Europe with her children to wash pots!

[Retvizan 8]

... "I can take a machine gun, I can take a tank again... in Ukrainian"...
Don't rejoice Skakuasy, who betrayed once will betray twice.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, about the fact that if the punitive forces come out to the Donbass, our people will come in and break them in, she didn’t reveal the secret, everyone knows about this, including in Ukraine and beyond the Bugr.

[Diana]

This very much depends on the pace of the operation. “Yours” may not have time to “break in”.

[PENZA]

I don't see anything wrong. women have always been traitors. everyone was counting on it.

[Vodrak]

No, it’s some kind of bullshit, guys.
The woman is more likely to win the man over to her side, psychologically...

[Retvizan 8]

They screwed up this defector, as well as Nadya Savchenko, first they praised the whole world to the skies, bestowed all possible titles, ranks and awarded orders, and then mixed them with manure and hid them in their own dungeon.))
Which country, such and heroes.