SpaceX has launched a reusable ship Crew Dragon to the ISS

The United States launched SpaceX spacecraft Crew Dragon into space shuttle. Launch vehicle Falcon 9 with the spacecraft launched to the ISS, the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) reported.

The launch of the rocket was carried out in 10: 49 MSK from the launch complex 39A at ​​the spaceport at Cape Canaveral, Florida. All stages of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle have worked out normally, the first reusable stage made a successful controlled landing on a floating platform in the Atlantic.

According to NASA, all systems launched into orbit of the newest American spacecraft Crew Dragon are working normally. The ship is activated, the solar panels began to work. The ship is seven-seater, equipped with an emergency evacuation system in case of an accident at the start.

It is reported that this is the first test flight of the American ship Crew Dragon, carried out in unmanned mode. On board is dressed in a spacesuit with sensors that monitor the "state", a mannequin named Ripley, named after the heroine of the fantastic movie "Aliens" and 182 kg of food and scientific equipment and materials for the ISS.

According to the plans, the ship will dock with the station on its own on 3 March and undock on it from 8 March.

In June, another ship launch will be conducted to verify the reliability of the crew capsule emergency rescue system. The first manned flight of the Crew Dragon is scheduled for July of this year.

If successful, the ship will be certified for astronaut flights on the ISS. Thus, eight years later, the United States will once again receive its own spacecraft for astronaut flights to orbit.

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[Professor]

Watched live.

[Mrrr meow]

"Trampoline" person, where are you? Hey!

[irazum]

I already know what he will say: "All this is nonsense, We will prepare an expedition to the Sun!"

[Mrrr meow]

I already know what he will say: "All this is nonsense, We will prepare an expedition to the Sun!"

And brush off the dust of Mars.

[irazum]

Yes, yes, yes, from the "trampoline-moon" will become. He can still ask a question; "Did Musk try to drown the dachshund? No? So I have nothing to talk to him about."

[t-4]

“What are we going to do, Comrade Stalin?”
- Envy .. (c).

This, campaign, is now the wisest decision. After all, the trouble is that there seems to be money for everything. But wherever they put it - at the exit instead of cosmodromes, Angara, Unions, Federation .... etc., only mansions on the Cote d'Azur grow.
Something needs to be changed, and it seems to be at the very top.

[irazum]

How is money? But what about the classics: "There is no money, but you hold on" (D.A. Medvedev; from, as yet unpublished).

[t-4]

There was nothing to write, so I bought a pen in a stall.

[irazum]

How much ink?

[t-4]

Quote: irazum

How much ink?

What for? It's easier to buy a new one.

[irazum]

Indeed, this is not a governor’s business; ink is still to be carried around ...

[Patriot5000]

30 years old grandfather's pen hung on the wall. feather. dry. Recently flooded with plain water. and began to write. ink remains preserved.

[t-4]

36!
This is not a house. Not a car.
This is a stationery, supplies.
And you say no money

[irazum]

"A good" show-off "is more expensive than money" (folk wisdom) for which he sits.

[Vadim237]

This pen sign contracts and agreements for amounts from 300 million rubles.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vadim237

This pen sign contracts and agreements for amounts from 300 million rubles.

Does karma not allow goose feathers?
Pushkin allowed.
Centuries left.

[kutuz]

"There seems to be money for everything" - but not enough for all of them.

[Piramidon]

Quote: irazum

We will prepare an expedition on the Sun

The main thing is not to get burned, you need to fly at night, when the sun does not shine.

[irazum]

Yes Yes. Our dear and beloved "Leonid Ilyich personally" spoke about this.

[Lycan]

Quote: Piramidon

The main thing is not to get burned, you need to fly at night, when the sun does not shine.

Yeah, but you have to retire again, before sunrise.

[smart ass]

How did this miracle launch elon mask ??? The same rogue rogue !!!! The first channel told us about him !!! This is all fake !!!)))

[VSrostagro]

Confused light weight payload.
Dummy + 182 kg?
Did the author mess up anything?

[donavi49]

Not. There smesharik + Ripley + a couple of bags of sweets for the crew. Just according to your wishes. There is no scientific equipment there by the way.

This mission is testing the entire flight profile from launch to landing. Everything. Just finished fresh food and parcels from home.

Equipment / supplies are imported under a different program. The current crew is working on its program. A new crew will soon fly (Ovchinin-Haig-Koch). To supply them will fly:
in early April - Progress with supplies and fuel.
next in April 12-17 - Zingus with scientific equipment.
next in late April, Musk - with supplies and scientific equipment.

[dima314]

I somehow do not understand this flight. If the ship is designed for 7 people and with supplies, well, at least a week for the crew, then why not send at least 500 kg of the payload? Grub and water are needed in every way, and in case of loss, it will not ruin too much. Either Musk overweight with his old Laiba and mannequin from the store sent space somewhere, then here, almost certainly, a successful flight will bring 3 bags of grub ... Or is it personally from Musk and NASA did not pay him money for the export?)

[donavi49]

What for? Well bring say 200kg of water - and? In 3 weeks, Progress will arrive with 440kg of water and pour the excess into the gateway? Or underload in Progress and fly from half a tank?

It’s paid for everything - there is only one cargo flight program (this year, like the 3-3-2 — the Japanese don’t fly), it is calculated, all cargo is insured, included in the plan, included in the ISS resource management plan (and the equipment is planned for the positions).

Musk along the way is lucky that really will be disposed of quickly:
- Fresh products (mainly fruits, short-term snacks, etc.).
- parcels from families.

Everything. The situation with supplies is standard - that's why it is. Perhaps if there was an emergency (for example, a spacesuit in minus or which module), then they would throw it fire. Also, if the previous truck banged, then perhaps they would have brought more food and some equipment. But now there is no need for this. I repeat - this crew on the ISS is finalizing the program and is preparing to return. New soon - 3 (THREE) trucks are already packed under it (program):
- Progress with supplies.
- Tsingus with scientific equipment (about 2 tons)
- Dragon is a standard mix of supplies and equipment.

All three fly in April. The current crew will simply please oranges, cakes and other things in the last 2 weeks before returning. That's all.

[poquello]

Quote: donavi49

All. The situation with supplies is standard - that's why it is. Perhaps if there was an emergency (for example, a spacesuit in minus or which module), then they would throw it fire.

Quote: donavi49

But now there is no need for this.

have the new toilet been brought to the Americans already?

[Tomcat]

Do you have more arguments besides the toilet? May remind you that on TU-95 use buckets

[dima314]

I somehow did not understand, but what does the 95th have to do with it?). can still develop the theme that VAZ still produces basins?)

[Tomcat]

Theme - we do not see logs in our eyes

[poquello]

Quote: Tomcat

Do you have more arguments besides the toilet? May remind you that on TU-95 use buckets

this is not an argument, but an answer to the "story" about "lack of need"

[dima314]

I’m off topic, I don’t work on the NASA manned program, but it’s for sure that this flight has been planned for a long time and it’s quite possible to take into account the increase in the possible delivery of useful cargo, and the next trucks can bring something else. Those. for 2 -3 years in advance, you can come up with a payload, all the more so for nothing! And Progress, I believe, carries to its own, and not to Amers, they can bring everything themselves, since now there’s more than enough transport.

[Patriot5000]

canned food would ...

[orionvitt]

The first manned flight of the ship Crew Dragon is scheduled for July this year.

Let's wait until July. Then you will rejoice. In the meantime, only Ripley.

[Semurg]

Quote: orionvitt

The first manned flight of the ship Crew Dragon is scheduled for July this year.

Let's wait until July. Then you will rejoice. In the meantime, only Ripley.

This is not just Ripley, it is a robot with a built-in drill and it has a program to turn the compartment of the Russian Federation on the ISS into a colander

[Patriot5000]

Ripley can inflatable, for 18+
to save weight

[orionvitt]

A bunch of mask lovers gathered here

So I am about the same. From me you definitely +, but get ready, now young and not very "fans of the Mask", they will cast aside cons, I know from my own experience.

[Kelwin]

A bunch of mask lovers gathered here

I'll also throw in a plus sign. I just don’t believe the mask after the Tesla, but that doesn’t mean that Rogozin is doing well. and right now it will be even worse if everything goes smoothly and the certification of the ship happens.

[sir_obs]

A bunch gathered here

This almost exact definition. A more precise definition will be perceived as a violation of forum rules.
Yes, the Americans are well done, but this can only be an occasion to slander over their country for mentally retarded schoolchildren or complete Russophobes, for whom even a reason is not necessary.
And the fact that the Americans have used our transport for so many years is how? Where are the eight lei of ridicule? Well, Ragozin once said about the trampoline, so what? Where are eight years of trolling all the way?

Space is an unpredictable thing, you never know what else will happen.

It is not a matter of love for the Mask or not, a person works well. It turns out well done. Well, you. which are trolls. What else can you brag about? What side are you involved in? What did you do for the country? Apparently nothing, the position stuck to that does not have.

Therefore, for now, just a "bunch"

[poquello]

Quote: Puncher

Not on trampolines, but on Delta lV, Delta ll and Falcon 9. The fact that you don’t know the US rocket carriers is certainly normal,

yes yes)))))), you can immediately see that you are an expert, given the fact that the Falcon has just flown, and the delta is terribly expensive, and why not shuttle then? and?

[Setrac]

Quote: Puncher

What you don’t know is US rocket launchers

And for what reasons are you campaigning for a state hostile to us?
Laurels of the traitor of the Motherland do not let you sleep?

[Setrac]

Quote: orionvitt

Let's wait until July.

That is, the spacecraft flew without load, but there will be no load test, will a person fly right away? Someone clearly went wrong!

[Tomcat]

You are a very smart person! You need to make an adviser to Rogozin!

[zyzx]

Quote: Moore Meow

Trampoline "man, where are you? Ay!

I understand the memory of cats like a sneaker, but did Rogosa talk about a living person, or is a bag of chocolates and an orbit an achievement in orbit? It seems that since the 57th year, no.

[Vasiliev Yu]

And then I’ll leave the same comment.
'Flight to Nowhere' about Rogozin:
https://newvz.ru/info/137686.html
Too lazy to read completely, briefly quotes from Telegram (I first learned about this article there):
'Instead of fixing the problems in the industry, Roskosmos management seems to care more about a clean image (https://compromat.ws/kak-glava-roskosmosa-dmitrij-rogozin-ustranyaet-problemy-kosmicheskoj-otrasli-i -zabotitsya-ob-imidzhe /) by the head of Dmitry Rogozin. Sometimes the public relations specialists of the state corporation act in rather strange ways. For example, the online edition "Lenta.ru" recently deleted from its website the article "Flight to Nowhere" (https://t.me/criminalru/16977) criticizing the personnel policy of Roscosmos. But many of the saved copies remained on the Internet. Why did this publication scare the officials from space so much? Here are a few quotes that remain online (https://vakhnenko.livejournal.com/291220.html).

• Neither a properly functioning satellite communications system, nor a full-fledged remote sensing constellation of the Earth have been created. The last automatic space exploration apparatus, the infamous Phobos-Grunt, remained in 2011, and its mission ended in collapse ...

• Statistics are not too optimistic. In 2018, Russia loses 2,5 times in the number of launches to China and twice to the United States (only the SpaceX launch vehicle Falcon 9 was launched 2018 times in 17 - one time more than all space launches in Russia, even taking into account two Soyuz-ST-B launch vehicles of the European Space Agency).

• In 2018, Roscosmos launched only four of its own civilian spacecraft - two Canopus-V and two GLONASS; five more vehicles were put into orbit by the Russian military. China, by comparison, launched 69 spacecraft into orbit, the number of satellites "under the flag" of the United States since the beginning of the year increased by 124 ....

• ... Despite all the perturbations, several strong engineering and design schools have still survived in Russia, united around the largest enterprises in the industry. And now they are dying out: middle-aged people are almost absent there, and those who are often simply did not find other employment options at the turn of the century.

• ... If earlier the best of the best were selected, now few of the young people who have completed, for example, MSTU named after N.E. Bauman, wants to get a salary at the level of a cleaner in a shopping center, working in Soviet interiors with current toilets ....

• ... The average salary at NASA is 8,7 million rubles a year, or 725 thousand rubles a month ... NASA every year increases the salaries of employees, provides substantial payments for achievements and innovations, pays for good health insurance, life insurance, travel insurance, guarantees one hundred percent payment in case of sick leave, pays a lift when changing the place of residence ... For Russian scientists and engineers, most of this list is dreams ...

• The income of ordinary engineers can be judged by the ads from popular recruiting sites in Russia. So, "spacecraft engineer" in the famous design bureau named after. Lavochkina receives 57 thousand rubles a month (which is even lower than the average salary in Moscow), and in RKS the salary of a design engineer is "from 50 thousand rubles." And this is in Moscow, and in the regions the income of specialists is even lower .... '

[Vasiliev Yu]

And more about Roskosmos, laugh or be upset:
On the way "space" rearrangements: "Roskosmos" decided to change the chiefs of "Vostochny" and "Baikonur". The recent dismissal from the government has already made itself felt :)

The cunning "Roscosmos" has previously tried to change the leadership of its two cosmodromes, while not saying anything to anyone, but such cases, as you know, usually quickly fizzle out. As a result, as reported, the current deputy head of Baikonur, Roman Bobkov, will become the head of Vostochny, displacing Valinur Agishev, who will take the place of the chief of Baikonur, displacing, in turn, Yevgeny Rakovsky, who will go to oversee the launch of Soyuz-5 missiles from this the same cosmodrome ...
Telegram channel 'Something like this' for 18 February.

[Setrac]

Quote: vasiliev yu

In 2018, Russia loses 2,5 times in the number of launches to China and twice to the USA

The number of starts is just the number of orders. If you aren’t in the know, the United States is two and a half times the population of Russia, and China is ten times larger. In terms of quantitative indicators, we will not catch up with them anyway.

[Vasiliev Yu]

If you aren’t in the know, the United States is two and a half times the population of Russia, and China is ten times larger. In terms of quantitative indicators, we will not catch up with them anyway.

I didn’t know that they were going into space, depending on how many people were in the country.
As for the satellites to launch, military or civilian, also from the number of people you think?
Live and learn. I don’t know only from this doctrine to be horrified that people with such knowledge are still trying to teach, or laugh?
I almost forgot: did you know that the pin ... wasps order departure from the ISS with our rockets?

[KaPToC]

Quote: vasiliev yu

As for the satellites to launch, military or civilian, also from the number of people you think?

People are the main resource of any state. Countries with a small population do not have their own space programs.

Quote: vasiliev yu

I almost forgot: did you know that the pin ... wasps order departure from the ISS with our rockets?

These starts are paid for by the Americans - it is the Americans who have found the resources for these starts.

[Diana]

Countries with a small population do not have their own space programs.

Yeah. Israel and New Zealand, for example.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Diana

Yeah. Israel and New Zealand, for example.

However, your beautiful moon-hopper flew into space, suddenly, on an American launch vehicle. Where did your space program go?

[Diana]

He's really lovely - but not mine. And Israeli. Israel's National Space Program is focused on the interests of military intelligence. Anything that can be launched not with Shavit is not launched with Shavit.

[Tomcat]

Do you have brain patriotism?

[RUSS]

Quote: Moore Meow

"Trampoline" person, where are you? Hey!

He’s thinking about something else now:

The main building of the National Space Center, which is being created in Moscow, can be built in the form of a rocket. This was told by the head of "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin.
“The study of outline versions of the national space center itself has already begun. Our architects propose to make one tall building. It will be the location of engineering bureaus. It should resemble a rocket as a symbol of Roskosmos, this is reasonable, ”Rogozin said at a meeting with the assets of the scientific and production center named after Khrunicheva.

Why do we need new rockets, we will build a skyscraper in the form of a rocket.

[Setrac]

Quote: Moore Meow

"Trampoline" person, where are you? Hey!

I understand that the American manned program is at the finish line, and not one, but the man has not yet been launched - for now, the trampolines are indispensable.
And it is not clear why the Russians rejoice in the success of the enemy? When did you manage to betray the homeland?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Setrac

And it is not clear why the Russians rejoice in the success of the enemy?

There is no joy. There is anger because we are lagging behind. And this is not sports anger, like when we blew Czechoslovakians into hockey.

[Setrac]

Quote: Mordvin 3

There is no joy. There is anger because we are lagging behind.

Russia does not compete with anyone in the space industry; this is not hockey and football.
It is interesting to know who is in the leaders in your version?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Setrac

It is interesting to know who is in the leaders in your version?

USA. While we are in the cab, they make options.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Mordvin 3

USA. While we are in the cab, they make options.

A leader - without his own manned space program? You are just trying to trick me.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: KaPToC

A leader - without his own manned space program?

I’m writing about that. While we are working as taxi drivers ... What, in your opinion, they could not ride into orbit themselves? Figures. We found fools for three rubles.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I’m writing about that. While we work as taxi drivers ...

That is, from your point of view, manned astronautics are so-so little things in life? Worthless achievement?

Quote: Mordvin 3

Figures. We found fools for three rubles.

I had to look for taxi drivers - since such loshars themselves - do not have their own manned space flight.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: KaPToC

That is, from your point of view, manned astronautics are so-so little things in life?

No, not the little things. Achievement. So I write about the fact that we are frozen in these achievements.

Quote: KaPToC

since such loshars themselves do not have their own manned space program.

Are you kidding me? We are loshars in their eyes. We will be proud of cosmounitasis for another years, I don’t know how many, until they come up with a better one.

[Setrac]

Quote: Mordvin 3

No, not the little things. Achievement. So I write about the fact that we are frozen in these achievements.

What do you mean "froze"? A new ship is being designed, a nuclear engine is being created - it is he who is needed for flight to other planets. How much progress do you need? And what is progress from your point of view?

Quote: Mordvin 3

We will be proud of cosmounitasis for another years, I don’t know how many, until they come up with a better one.

What can you think of instead of a toilet? Nothing. I wonder how much you will live without doing the natural necessities? Few!!!

[KaPToC]

Quote: Mordvin 3

So I write about the fact that we are frozen in these achievements.

So as not to be unfounded - but where should we go? Announce the direction of development - so that I can indicate where you are mistaken.

[Setrac]

Quote: Mordvin 3

USA. While we are in the cab, they make options.

You think so because you misjudge the prospects. But the truth is that on chemical missiles we will not fly beyond the orbit. Elon Musk can refine himself as much as you like, but in order to fly to Mars he must make a nuclear engine. To explore space - it is necessary to radically reduce the cost of the cost of putting into orbit, reduce the cost of orders of magnitude.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Setrac

Elon Musk can refine himself as much as you like, but in order to fly to Mars he must make a nuclear engine.

Musk wants to use methane engines because there is methane on Mars. As I understand it, he wants to send a methane processing plant there along with the colonists.

Quote: Setrac

To explore space - it is necessary to radically reduce the cost of the cost of putting into orbit, reduce the cost of orders of magnitude.

Which he does.

[Setrac]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Musk wants to use methane engines because there is methane on Mars.

But what's the difference on Mars if we cannot reach it?

[Tomcat]

Weird! Why did the Russian officials declare Mask the enemy number 1

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

Weird! Why did the Russian officials declare Mask the enemy number 1

The first time I've heard. Maybe he was declared an enemy only on your, American sites?

[Tomcat]

https://philologist.livejournal.com/8589938.html

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

https://philologist.livejournal.com/8589938.html

Who is this Nikolai Podosokorsky? This is his personal opinion, what does Russia have to do with it?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Moore Meow

"Trampoline" person, where are you? Hey!

Well, for example, I
So what? How many years are there behind the "backward Russia"? first launch of the union on April 23, 1967 how much does it come out? 51 year old?

[777-3-59-97]

I wonder if the followers of "Trampoline Witnesses" will come up?

[zyzx]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

I wonder if the followers of "Trampoline Witnesses" will come up?

Did Rogosa talk about a living person, or is a bag of chocolates and a mannequin in orbit an achievement? It seems that since the 57th year, no.

[Setrac]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

I wonder if the followers of "Trampoline Witnesses" will come up?

Sooner triumph, wait until the flight of man. And then, as it were, a small achievement - send a pack of chips into orbit.

[Tomcat]

Already pulled up! They even in the eyes ..... still God's dew! Musk will fly to Mars, and they will say, but not to Sauturn and so on! All is not enough for them!

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

Already pulled up!

You are impudently lying, start-up with the person was not yet.

Quote: Tomcat

They even in the eyes ..... still God's dew!

Your "dew" will only be in the summer - if everything goes well.

Quote: Tomcat

Musk will fly to Mars, and they will say, but not to Sauturn and so on! All is not enough for them!

You say that because you misjudge the achievements of Mask. The real achievement of the company Mask is not an electric vehicle in space and not a person in orbit (if everything goes well, it’s still an ordinary case). The real achievement of the Mask is the first steps planted regularly. This is so far the only real achievement of the Mask that you can be proud of.
A flight to Mars is too far a prospect.

[Tomcat]

For Roskosmos even regularly planted steps are not achievable

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

For Roskosmos even regularly planted steps are not achievable

No such function was provided

[Tomcat]

A lot of things are not provided for in Rosskomos! Only golden parachutes!

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

A lot of things are not provided for in Rosskomos! Only golden parachutes!

The very idea of ​​golden parachutes was brought to us from America, it’s not for you to reproach us.
Various options for saving the first stage were worked out both in our country and in the USA, at the current level of development, subsequent defection and preparation for reuse is more expensive than building a rocket from scratch.
The only way to reduce the cost is to reduce reliability. Carrier crash during repeated (second, third, fourth - it doesn’t matter) use is inevitable.

[Tomcat]

https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/519583-rossiya-mnogorazovie-raketi

[Tomcat]

Quote: NordUral

Some have deeds, while others have verbal diarrhea! I am ashamed of those who created the Soviet space project!

[Setrac]

Quote: Tomcat

Musk will fly to Mars, and they will say, but not to Sauturn and so on!

You greatly underestimate the complexity of this event.

[Tomcat]

Let's see when the Mask flies to Mars

[Setrac]

Quote: Tomcat

Let's see when the Mask flies to Mars

Will we never see?

[vitvit123]

Well, this is better than our cartoons that our guarantor showed. I remember you they did not inspire.

[Tomcat]

And then drank on this cartoon! Filmed not high quality! But as always!

[vitvit123]

Quote: Tomcat

And then drank on this cartoon! Filmed not high quality! But as always!

What did you drink on the cartoon? Well, for me, it’s not the main thing that’s the effect, but the plot, and that would be true, otherwise many claimed that they were cartoons, but right now they seem to doubt it.

[Bratok]

Quote: professor

Watched live

Professor, you need to be the first to run .. and you will be broadcasting there on the VO website, what are the super technologies from the USA and Israel
Your enthusiasm is clear to all of us .. You will be the first Jew in space ..))))

[Shahno]

Don't be so ashamed. He was a hero of his country. By citizenship, a citizen of the USSR, by nationality (by mother) - the origin of the Jewish. And do not make me continue the list, otherwise it will not be very convenient for you in front of people from a neighboring branch today ..

[Shahno]

I don’t know, ask Joffe’s students ...

[northern]

The great poet Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin by his great-grandfather by mother - of African descent.
Now joke about the "animal breed" again.

[zyzx]

Quote: north

The great poet Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin by his great-grandfather by mother - of African descent.

That is, if he had in his family 1 neg and 3rd Russian he is of African descent?

[northern]

That is, you also do not know how to read.

[northern]

Yes, it just burned with a friend, to see what a bad Jew he pinched him during his childhood, that’s what he bombes further than he sees.

[zyzx]

Quote: north

Yes, it just burned with a friend, to see what a bad Jew he pinched him during his childhood, that’s what he bombes further than he sees.

The Soviet Jew has such a relation to the spring-bent Zionists as Pushkin to the cannibal of the Ethiopian tribe.

[northern]

3rd b on the extension.
Not a cannibal, but Abram Petrovich Hannibal (1696, Abyssinia - 1781, Suida, Rozhdestvensky Uyezd, Russian Empire) - a Russian military engineer, general-general, was great-grandfather of A.S. Pushkin.
Treat the history of our great ancestors with due respect. And read reference books at your leisure, this will help you look less communicative in communication.

[zyzx]

Quote: Shahno

by nationality (by mother) - the origin of the Jewish.

And on the father of RUSSIAN and?

[Shahno]

Nothing, I want to say that this is normal, and do not be ashamed of it ..

[figwam]

Quote: north

First jew

Do you estimate the cosmonaut's ethnicity by DNA?

[northern]

I generally do not evaluate the ethnicity of anyone.
Read the thread carefully. and not diagonally, in each comment there is an arrow, if you click on it, you will see which of the previous comments I answered.

[figwam]

Quote: north

I don’t evaluate ethnicity at all

Then why do you isolate certain genes from a stranger and determine his belonging to a certain nation? This is not good ...

[northern]

No need to give out their fantasies for my actions.

[Tarhan]

Will you broadcast there on the VO website what super technologies from the USA and Israel

Not mine, so spit.

For me, this launch, like the launches of China, Russia, the European Union, is the achievement of all mankind, and not of a single country.

[aleksandroff]

And what a very achievement, this was done in the 60s. Why does this crap advertising Mask surprise everyone? Very Musk lagged behind the 2000s.

[Vadivak]

Quote: aleksandroff

Why does this crap advertising Mask surprise everyone?

for this crap from IP Mask

[figwam]

Quote: professor

Watched live.

Yes this event! Are mattress-beds in the 21st century able to fly into space on their own?
They probably strained to the ISS, for the first time an unmanned space suit with sensors flies to them.

[poquello]

Quote: figvam

Quote: professor

Watched live.

Yes this event! Are mattress-beds in the 21st century able to fly into space on their own?
They probably strained to the ISS, for the first time an unmanned space suit with sensors flies to them.

not "probably" but specifically, because for the first time, even a special plan for an emergency situation was worked out, well, like - if everything is in a "union" and merge

[Piramidon]

Quote: professor

Watched live.

It’s such a joy, as if the Israelis are cutting their orbits in their ship

[loki565]

And what is there with your moon rover ??? jumping on the moon in a fun dance or not ???)))

[Diana]

Not yet. Will jump in April.

[Setrac]

Quote: loki565

And what is there with your moon rover ???

Don’t call him names, he’s moon hopper.

[Tomcat]

And what about the Russian programs on Mars and the Moon? Furrow the expanses of the universe?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Watched live.

Yes, you can also say, turned on, start, well, what not to see

[Tsoy]

It's time to update the tablet ...

That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.
That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.
That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.
That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.
When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.
That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.
That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.
That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.
That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.
Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.
Here when the second-hand Dragon will fly, then we will talk.
That's when they show that it is profitable, then we'll talk.
That's when NASA allows you to fly to the ISS b / y ships on the used / missiles, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.
That's when Crew Dragon flies, then we'll talk.
=== You are here ===
That's when the astronauts are lucky, then we'll talk.
That's when build your spaceport in Texas, then we'll talk.
That's when Methan Raptor flies, then we'll talk.
That's when the rest of the world will be slaughtered by the number of launches, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch at least a hundred Internet satellites, then we'll talk.
That's when they do BFR, then we'll talk.
That's when BFR starts to carry people, then we'll talk.
That's when a BFR ticket can buy everyone, then we'll talk.
That's when they make the interplanetary manned spacecraft, then we'll talk.
That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.

[Shahno]

Well, people can be forgiven. Technicians, familiar with all the subtleties, do not always understand that such a high-tech industry as "space" - the main thing is stable progress in development and in their application in practice. On the Royal Glushkovskoye reserve, one can only sustainably maintain the infrastructure. Therefore, I personally understand why the "professor" is watching live broadcast.
P. S. And it is precisely the large share and participation of private investors that leads to new approaches, a properly built system. Here's an omission. So the laugh at the Mask is through tears.

[voyaka uh]

Musk has wiped skeptics so many times that in America
even a saying appeared:
"Never bet against Elon Mask"
"Never bet against Alon Musk"

[Sanichsan]

Here I am
curiously, this crap with "that's when" was composed by the maskophiles for themselves
By the way, are you not embarrassed by the Mask lag 51 years from Russia?

[voyaka uh]

Russia was the first to go into space and developed space rockets and satellites.
First generation rockets.
Musk came up with reusable Falcon-9 rockets, landing on their own exhaust - the second generation.
His Dragon cargo ships are also reusable.
This is a new technical step.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

Musk came up with reusable Falcon-9 rockets, landing on their own exhaust - the second generation.

Mask? you are sure? right? not NASA experts? not?

Quote: voyaka uh

His Dragon cargo ships are also reusable.
This is a new technical step.

debatable. The data on the operation of the Falcon steps is currently closed. how many times were repeated launches, how many times did they restart one stage, what are the costs of restoration? all this data is still hidden. what do you base your assumptions about the success of the project on? on the fact that they still fly?
and Musk has the same relationship to Falcon and Dragon as Tesla, that is, almost no
it certainly doesn’t change the essence of the matter. The US is doing and assuming that they cannot, it would be strange, but what’s the result?
and with reusability, it’s not very clear how it will come out.

[voyaka uh]

"all this data is still hidden." ////
----
Hidden only from you. All 1st stages have a unique serial number. The flight history of each first stage is published. Everything is transparent and open. For example, the Israeli "moon jump" was launched on a rocket taking off for the third time.
Together with a major Indonesian satellite and a secret Pentagon satellite. As you can see, the Pentagon is not afraid to use "used" missiles.
Soon ALL-ALL missiles will become reusable. Our grandchildren will not even understand why the first rockets burned in the atmosphere.
----

"Musk? Are you sure? Exactly?" ////
----
Musk gathered the best engineers in the United States. He gives assignments, and they carry them out.
Korolev also did not personally develop everything. Dozens and hundreds of engineers worked for him. And he determined what to design.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

The history of flights of each first stage is published.

Where? Or are you for a red word? I found only statistics on launches and data on the fact that 36 launches had 13 restored stages. interestingly, in 2018 the proportion of non-returnable launches doubled.

Quote: voyaka uh

Musk gathered the best engineers in the United States.

Yeah. only by a strange coincidence, all the best engineers from NASA. which is typical of NASA is not involved in launches at all. is it difficult for you to add 1 + 1?
if the situation was as you paint, then SpaceX would be on the verge of bankruptcy like Tesla or the Mask would be trampled from there like from PayPal

Quote: voyaka uh

Korolev also did not personally develop everything. Dozens and hundreds of engineers worked for him. And he determined what to design.

Unlike Musk, Korolev was a specialist in developing rockets, and Musk is a PR manager, absolutely mediocre in technical terms, but very savvy in cutting the municipal dough. remember at least his gigafactory and electrification Tau

[atalef]

Quote: SanichSan

Yeah. only by a strange coincidence, all the best engineers from NASA

so what ? where do you think they should have been? From Mac Donalds?
If these engineers from NASA were able to do this at Mask, then there can only be one conversation - at NASA they would be able to do the same.

Quote: SanichSan

NASA is not involved in launches at all. is it hard for you to add 1 + 1?

Therefore, specialized engineers and went to the Mask - what are the problems?

Quote: SanichSan

unlike Musk, Korolev was a specialist in developing rockets, and Musk is a PR manager

Well ?
Nothing flies from the heir to Korolyov, but flies from the PR manager.
Conclusion ????

Quote: SanichSan

but very savvy in cutting municipal dough. remember at least his gigafactory and electrification Tau

you then to someone else's dough?
There are 2 options - cut the dough and zero at the output (I'm talking about Roskosmos) and cut the dough with the final product.
What do you prefer ?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: atalef

Therefore, specialized engineers and went to the Mask - what are the problems?

here already wrote that this is the same NASA but privatized. Musk in this office occupies the same "important" position as in his time at PayPal.

Quote: atalef

Well ?
Nothing flies from the heir to Korolyov, but flies from the PR manager.
Conclusion ????

Hmm ... you do not shine with your mind if it doesn’t fly then what happened 28.02.2019? or all the same flies, and you blah blah bol?

Quote: atalef

you then to someone else's dough?
There are 2 options - cut the dough and zero at the output (I'm talking about Roskosmos) and cut the dough with the final product.
What do you prefer ?

nuka nuka come burn napalm about the final product in the electrification project of South Australia
or maybe you dare to say something about the fact that Roscosmos does not launch missiles?

[atalef]

Quote: SanichSan

here they already wrote that it is the same NASA but privatized.

it's not the same NASA.
NASA stayed - NASA.
And this is a private trader.
Do not pull the owl onto the globe.
Otherwise, tomorrow all civil aviation will be assigned to the Air Force.
How many former officers are there?

Quote: SanichSan

if it doesn’t fly then what happened 28.02.2019? or all the same flies, and you blah blah bol?

I generally about the Angara - as an example.
Or will you give me 40 summer Unions as an example?

Quote: SanichSan

or maybe you dare to say something about the fact that Roscosmos does not launch missiles?

carries out - but this is another matter.
About new missiles.
About what Musk did.
Is there something similar in Roskosmos?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: atalef

it's not the same NASA.

that is, all the technical personnel from NASA, engineers from NASA, the project itself is funded from the state budget, but this is not NASA? "P" is logic.

Quote: atalef

I generally about the Angara - as an example.
Or will you give me 40 summer Unions as an example?

Why not? you calmly compare the program of 2013 with the project that started in 2002

Quote: atalef

carries out - but this is another matter.
About new missiles.
About what Musk did.

What did Musk do? as far as I understand, his most striking contribution to the Falcon-2 project was the phrase "everything is in order with the rocket" when the Falcon exploded along with the launch pad
and, there was still a teslia present in the pavilion, which kind of flies in space ... well, that was already so-so ...

Quote: atalef

Is there something similar in Roskosmos?

of course I have! that's just you do not dare to read this
type in Google "projects of Russian missiles". read. Let me remind you that 8 years passed from the start of the Falcon project to the launch of the first rocket.
so, for a second, 8 years before the first tests. if we talk about the hangar, then she has 2 years left before the first test flight.
at the same time, we are talking about the United States of the XNUMXs, which completely dominated the world, and today's Russia under sanctions.
do you hear, yes, you, the sect of "witnesses of penetrated polymers", have gone to the brink of a hike?

[voyaka uh]

"where? or are you talking about it? I found only statistics on launches" /////
-----
Dial:
List of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters
However, as I understand it, you have an unshakable formed point of view, and I am wasting time with you

[Sanichsan]

so if you read this then you are aware that at the moment there are a maximum of 3 repeated starts. So? also probably aware that in order to compare in terms of economic indicators with the Soyuz, at least 10 re-launches are needed. whence the victorious reports then?
By the way, what do you think about the twofold increase in launches of non-returnable Falcons in 2018? What do you think is due to this?

[voyaka uh]

"a twofold increase in launches of non-returnable falcons in 2018?" ////
----
The fact that they began production of Block 5.
And a dozen steps of the previous blocks that flew 2 times were written off, and they wrote off that they flew one time (therefore, the number of disposable ones has increased).
That block-5, about which I wrote that I successfully flew three times, will fly the 4th time: with Crew Dragon (the second test unmanned launch).
You will hear about Elon Mask many more times. the main thing is not to spoil your health from anger and envy. The heart does not like stress ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

That block-5, about which I wrote that I successfully flew three times, will fly the 4th time: with Crew Dragon (the second test unmanned launch).

but this is still very far from the required 10. Does it bother you? do you know anything about "Baikal" and the project to launch satellites into low orbit with ultralight solid-propellant rockets? will SpaceX be able to compete with Roscosmos?

Quote: voyaka uh

You will hear about Elon Mask many more times the main thing is not to spoil your health from anger and envy. The heart does not like stress ...

Oh yeah unless they put him in exchange fraud. although .. and in this case we will hear about him. and with the bankruptcy of Tesla, too. and if a gig factory investigation begins. he already has a lot of options to become a hero of crime news
PS
interesting way. if SpaceX fails to compete then can it go bankrupt? purely theoretically ... well, it's a commercial type organization. and if SpaceX goes bankrupt then will it be the finale of the American space program?

[voyaka uh]

Tesla made its first profit in the last two quarters of 2018 and is projected to give profit in the first quarter of this year.
If things go wrong with the profitable SpaceX, then its American competitors will outbid it. There are several more firms in this business.
About Baikal? "That's when he starts flying, then we'll talk" - how skeptics liked to broadcast about
Elone Maske
So far, for today, it is Roskosmos’s affairs that are going sadly. But I would not bury Roskosmos. It is still possible to catch up with competitors.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

So far, for today, it is Roskosmos’s affairs that are going sadly.

but what is sadness? to participate in the project of world satellite internet? sort of like with launches all the rules and with orders for missiles. what is wrong with you?

[bmv04636]

You yourself professor is not funny. The nation that conquered the moon, the nation that had an active shuttle program and this PR manager Ilon

[bmv04636]

How’s your professor’s lunar program?

[Shahno]

Do not wait ...

[bmv04636]

the meaning of communication will not wait ali the professor is preparing for July instead of a dummy on a used stage to the ISS to wave

[The leader of the Redskins]

Losing parity in the space industry. Gagarin and Korolev turn upside down in their coffins ...

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Russia did not and does not have parity in space. The only thing we are cooler so far is the delivery of people to the ISS. True, I do not attribute this to the achievements of the Russian Federation - both the ship and the rocket were developed back in the USSR.

[KaPToC]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Russia did not and does not have parity in space. The only thing we are cooler so far is the delivery of people to the ISS. True, I do not attribute this to the achievements of the Russian Federation - both the ship and the rocket were developed back in the USSR.

And whose achievements are these? Nigeria or what? Or Honduras?
It is not our fault that the Americans - such loshars - still have not developed a spaceship and a rocket for themselves.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

And whose achievements are these? Nigeria or what? Or Honduras?

It seems to be written there - the ship and the rocket were developed by the USSR. This country is an achievement. And the achievement of Russia is only that it’s just not about what was done several decades ago. So-so achievement, frankly.

It is not our fault that the Americans - such loshars - still have not developed a spaceship and a rocket for themselves.

Do not read the news, immediately comment. Missiles and ships are designed. Now we have begun testing ships, and missiles have already been tested (Falcon 9 and Atlas-5)

[KaPToC]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

It seems to be written there - the ship and the rocket were developed by the USSR. This country is an achievement.

And CCCP - was he somewhere on Mars? Or in Antarctica? What has changed from the point of view of astronautics? The same organizations that built space technology in the USSR — do they also build it in Russia? Why on earth should Russia abandon its achievements of the times of the USSR?
Here in the USA there is no more democracy and freedom - that means the flight to the moon is no longer their merit! Did it make a completely different state?

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Missiles and ships are designed.

Write right away - drawn in Hollywood - something is trifling. After all, the United States can only shoot in Hollywood a lie about its achievements!

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

What has changed from the point of view of astronautics?

That the USSR was able to develop a ship, but Russia did not.

[KaPToC]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

That the USSR was able to develop a ship, but Russia did not.

The invention of the "bicycle" is not our strong point.
But for example, the RSFSR - was able to develop a ship?
Or will you prove now that the Chukchi with Evenki built the ship?

[Tomcat]

And Russia, that honest cartoons shows what prevented you from drawing a flight of Phobos?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

And Russia, that honest cartoons shows what prevented you from drawing a flight of Phobos?

The difference is that Russia does not pass off "cartoons" as real newsreels, as the Americans do. And then they find Martians, buildings, lemmings, and many other interesting things on the Martian footage, and all because everything was filmed in Canada on the island of Devon.

[Tomcat]

And that the Russian ships are already on Mars?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

And that the Russian ships are already on Mars?

This is secret information.

[Irokez]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

ship and rocket were developed by the USSR

You are straight from another planet.
The successor of tsarist Russia, and before that Russia became the USSR, and the current Russia became the receiver of the USSR.
Therefore, from now on and on, it is not necessary to divide Russia, Russia, the USSR and again Russia into different states, people and history. Each country had both ups and downs and ups again, but this is one and the same state and country and the same people and common achievements (I repeat the GENERAL).
And then you will listen, dear about the USSR and Russia, that these are two separate states, and you think "Divide and rule", and whose principle is clear to everyone and who communicates it.

[72jora72]

And then you will listen, dear about the USSR and Russia, that these are two separate states, and you think "Divide and rule", and whose principle is clear to everyone and who communicates it.

Well, what can I do, the victim of the exam. For them, for example, composer Pauls, General Paulus and pilot Powers, this is the same person .......

[sir_obs]

The achievement of Russia will be when it finally squeezes out all the rot from itself. When there are only those who are ready to work and live for their country, when other people's achievements will not be an occasion for ridicule and trolling, but an incentive to work. And it will definitely be.

[KaPToC]

Quote: atalef

The Amer all this was and is.

Do not pay attention, it's me so slightly troll the evil Russophobe.
I am aware of American space achievements and even do not believe in some of them (flight to the moon).

[northern]

I do not attribute this to the achievements of the Russian Federation - both the ship and the rocket were developed back in the USSR.

The Union of 1967 (USSR) and the Union-MS of 2016 (RF) are similar to each other only in appearance.
LV Soyuz-2.1 is also significantly different from the "seven"

[donavi49]

Yes, but there is one point. New systems (Starliner and Dragon) have one advantage = 7 man in orbit, against 3 at the Union. The Union has additional opportunities - we are not considering it, since all systems will now be used as a taxi to the ISS / and trucks (Tsingus, Kounotori, Dragon and Progress) as gazelles to the ISS. Except Orion.

That is, in the current situation, the United States will be able to bring more people to 4 by each ship than in the Soviet Union. Who are these people? Scientists? Media (this is also important by the way - more popularity - more dividends in the future, from financing to the fact that some kind of Batygin will not sit in the pants of the office, but the industry). Tourists?

[northern]

In terms of quantity - yes, the Dragon has the advantage.
But there are fundamental unresolved issues.
The dragon cannot be a rescue module, it is not equipped and it is not planned to be equipped with an emergency escape system from the station, it cannot be in space docked to the station for 350-370 days, like the Union.

[Blackmokona]

1. It can be a rescue module and evacuate the entire station
2. He has powerful SuperDraco engines that are used for everything from SAS to withdrawal from the station
3. He has a docking time of 720 days.
All data from open sources

[Tsoy]

Quote: donavi49

That is, in the current situation, the United States will be able to bring more people to 4 by each ship than in the Soviet Union. Who are these people? Scientists? Media (this is also important by the way - more popularity - more dividends in the future, from financing to the fact that some kind of Batygin will not sit in the pants of the office, but the industry). Tourists?

Will not be able to. NASA certifies ship for 4 man no more. There is simply no need for 7 locations. On the ISS will be too crowded.

[poquello]

Quote: donavi49

That is, in the current situation, the United States will be able to bring 4 people more with each ship than in the Union.

yes it was already - they drove with shuttles, but stopped something)

[sir_obs]

Yes, but there’s one thing

The only important thing here is reliability. So far, unions have been returned so much as they take away from the station. Seven people, this is at least twice the risk until the reliability of the ship is confirmed. I would prefer (for now, anyway) to return to the union.

[loki565]

Russia is the only country that has taken upon itself all the debts of the USSR, which means achievements including nuclear weapons)))

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

Russia is the only country that has taken upon itself all the debts of the USSR, which means achievements including nuclear weapons)))

achievements for debts?
Here you are bent.
Russia took over the debts for one reason - otherwise all the property of the USSR for the ruble would have to be cut between the 15 republics, the 15 th sisters
Therefore, there is no need here to tell tales and claim that all the achievements of the USSR are the achievements of Russia.

[loki565]

In a divorce, all jointly acquired property and debts are divided in half))) and since the debts of one Russia are the achievements of Russia too. And what is left behind the hillock is used by those who have the mind to continue development, but to ruin everything like in Ukraine)))

[kuznec]

Sasha, of course you excuse me, but apparently, you, as an achievement of the USSR (if not for the position of Russia), also had to be cut into 15 parts? And do not bend my nerves, because your Russian-Jewish roots are clearly from the USSR, otherwise what would you do on this site? -))

[stalker]

otherwise, all the property of the USSR for the rubeom would have to be cut between 15 republics, 15 sisters

I think the situation was much more dramatic, and without paying off the debts, girls at best, I would have to cut into the nearest low-cost airline for a little white. In order to fill the old Russian melancholy that arose due to the arrest of this same property at the expense of covering the debts that had rested in the Bose of the Union. And, since the sisters had no time for the liabilities of the country where Man was breathing so freely, Moscow was simply forced to save the situation, realizing that it was possible to drink a little white, and for a more joyful occasion, and in a closer circle.

[Setrac]

Quote: atalef

that all the achievements of the USSR are the achievements of Russia.

You want to say that the RSFSR had nothing to do with the achievements of the USSR?
On the other hand, out of the fifteen former republics, only Russia has developed cosmonautics.
And where is the Georgian space program? Somewhere near Israel - at zero.

[Tomcat]

Are you all right with your health?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Tomcat

Are you all right with your health?

Are you a doctor?

[askort154]

PontiffSulyvahn ....Russia did not and does not have parity in space. The only thing we are cooler so far is the delivery of people to the ISS. True, I do not attribute this to the achievements of the Russian Federation - both the ship and the rocket were developed back in the USSR.

So the Americans no longer fly to the moon. And the United States has not yet collapsed, like the USSR. Turn on the logic. Where would your USA be now, having lost 49 of its states. And they would not be called the USA, but OSHA - One State of America (New Mexico).

[Tomcat]

Respected! Remember how much has passed from the war until the launch of the first satellite of the USSR! How many hundreds of years do you need for development?

[Vadivak]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

and the ship and rocket developed back in the USSR

Duc and everything else from there

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

True, I do not attribute this to the achievements of the Russian Federation - both the ship and the rocket were developed back in the USSR.

30 more before the appearance of the ISS)

[AllXVahhaB]

This is the Americans restore parity.

[RUSS]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

This is the Americans restore parity.

The Americans made every effort to continue manned flights on their own. In February 2010, when the Shuttles were still flying, NASA supported the development of a manned spacecraft by allocating grants for their creation to two companies at once - the aviation giant Boeing, which had serious development experience, and the young private enterprise SpaceX, which was just gaining speed, which entered the space market. launches.

Development took longer than originally estimated. Considering that this happened in both companies, the reason is, rather, in the incorrectly calculated timing. Initially, it was assumed that Boeing and SpaceX will be able to begin launches as early as 2014. Boeing made the Starliner (CST-100) for the Atlas V rocket, and SpaceX developed the Dragon V2 spacecraft, designed to use its own Falcon 9 rocket.

Both companies tried their best, because, most likely, it is the first start that will give chances to get the main contracts, but they came to the finish nose to nose. On March 2, 2019, the first launch of Dragon V2 will take place, the company Ilona Mask managed to break out in this race just a few weeks ahead. And the launch of the Boeing ship is scheduled for late March.

The first time both launches will be in an unmanned version. If everything goes well, companies will have to work on shortcomings and comments, and by the end of 2019 we will be able to see the first manned launches of American ships. And the fact that a small private company was able to get ahead of the whole industry, says a lot in modern astronautics.

[AllXVahhaB]

Come on, PR all of this. The entire engineering corps of nasa worked for this company. And the financing is not transparent there. You will not find anywhere how much the restoration of the first stage costs and what is the% processing.
Americans are rebuilding parity. Since nothing fundamentally new has appeared. This is not aviation, we are still flying the first generation Brown / Korolev missiles ...

[Tomcat]

Come on you! The whole country works for Rosskosmos and the financing is opaque! You will not find anywhere how many effective managers saw there!

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Tomcat

Come on you! The whole country works for Rosskosmos and the financing is opaque! You will not find anywhere how many effective managers saw there!

Well, I understand you - Musk, just cutting the budget, just like Roscosmos, only the American budget ...

[tranquil]

Quote: RUSS

a small private company was able to get ahead of the whole industry

And what is government subsidy of $ 5 billion? Trifle?

[atalef]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

We are losing parity in the space industry

parity?
And when was he at all?
And in what?
What is at least one program for space research, interplanetary stations, space telescopes, etc. etc. where there was parity.

[donavi49]

Venus only. The most advanced Vega - made an achievement, one of the last Venus carried out mapping of the strip, but the next American Magelan conducted almost complete mapping of the surface.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

parity?
And when was he at all?
And in what?

Are you talking about the parity of the USSR, or Russia?

[Thrifty]

I won’t gloat, he’s success, and I advise our bosses from outer space to draw conclusions from this! And then in 3 years Russia will quietly transfer to the category of countries only consumers and not suppliers of carriers for satellites and manned vehicles.

[irazum]

I won’t comment yet, I’ll wait for the end of this flight, God forbid, so that everything goes smoothly.

[donavi49]

After 40-45 days, the Starliner flies. From competitors Mask from Boeing. Also on 7 astronauts. The first mission is with a mannequin. If ok - then in the summer (but really until the end of the year) with people.

[Mrrr meow]

It looks like a star for a "kitten", that is, "for Russian cosmonautics." But it will be nothing "cartoons", the site "Made in Russia" and Rosstat with Siluanov, to raise the tone, and yes, the "patriotic" train rides with "Syrian trophies" to the delight of the "patriots".

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Moore Meow

It looks like a star for the "kitten", that is, for "Russian cosmonautics"

Why? Ten years ago, the Americans flew by themselves, but somehow Roskosmos lived and did not die. Just 8 years Roscosmos received additional income which unfortunately did not go to the benefit.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Ten years ago, we were leaders in delivering goods to orbit. Yes, Roskosmos did not have multibillion debts.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Yes, Roskosmos did not have multibillion debts.

Debts such a thing, you can go bankrupt and all.

[Rzzz]

In case of bankruptcy, the property of the debtor is transferred to the creditor. It’s good when, apart from the bare butt, there is nothing more, but RK is a rich office.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: rzzz

In case of bankruptcy, the property of the debtor is transferred to the creditor. It’s good when, apart from the bare butt, there is nothing more, but RK is a rich office.

Lenders of Roscosmos state-owned banks, will Roskosmos transfer to them? No, of course, the state will gladly help ... the banks and pay the debt. Just....

[Rzzz]

There is no state bank in Russia. There are several banks with state capital, but not control. If there was a state bank, there would be a great opportunity to nationalize assets through bankruptcy.

The property will be transferred in the amount of unpaid debt to the creditor. Rather, the creditor will sell the property of the debtor until it closes the debt. The rest will be returned.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Puncher

the state will gladly help ... banks and pay the debt.

our dough

[loki565]

When creating the ISS, it was already agreed that the delivery of goods falls on Russia

[donavi49]

But now the goods are delivered according to the formula 2 + 3 + 3 + 1.
2 ZINGUSA
3 Dragon
3 Progress
1 Kounotori

For example last year:
3 Progress
3 Dragon
2 ZINGUSA
1 Kounotori (but this barrel flies once 2 of the year usually, but at the same time 6,5т = 2 of progress).

[loki565]

I wrote during the creation of the ISS, it is clear that now much in the world has changed.

[zlinn]

during the creation of the ISS, shuttles brought 85% of its mass

[dgonni]

Ten years ago there was no competition in terms of putting the payload into orbit! And Roscosmos in fact was a monopolist with its ancient but reliable rockets. And they paid the price he ordered. given the present, everything has become completely wrong. Private traders appeared, the mask is simply the clearest example. And now, roughly speaking, there is a squabble for this market. And given the constant errors during launches, Roscosmos has a dramatic increase in the insured amount for ANY launch of a launch vehicle. Therefore, if everything works fine for Dregon during this flight and the next in June, when he works out the emergency separation option from the Falcon, then the Americans will deliver the astronauts into orbit. So Rogozin suggest throwing himself on a trampoline and let him fly to the moon.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: dgonni

Ten years ago there was no competition in terms of putting the payload into orbit!

Let me remind you that in the days of the USSR, space was not a means of earning, and despite this the space program was significant, a lot did not work out, but it did not stop. Of course, we cannot transfer space to self-sufficiency, but this is not required. In the end, our space industry did not receive anything from commercial projects, money was stupidly stolen. Therefore, the future of Roscosmos depends only on the budget of Russia.

[dgonni]

Oh well! The budget is still trampoline and sawed. For naglosaksov put yes show the calculations of money. Well, the most epic of your post! We cannot translate into self-sufficiency! I wrote in the first post, came PARTICIPANTS! And for them, self-sufficiency and profit are in the forefront! ALL!

[atalef]

Quote: dgonni

I wrote in the first post, came PARTICIPANTS! And for them, self-sufficiency and profit are in the forefront! EVERYTHING!

And in Roscosmos, silver-free and for the idea.
Just for some reason, Mask has a kilogram output in 2 times cheaper than that of Roskosmos.
Cheaper, Carl.

[dgonni]

I do not understand the promise! Translate!

[loki565]

Is this a private trader, Musk or something ??? Musk is a project to partially privatize nas and is backed by serious people from the US government

[Blackmokona]

All who are trying to poke such nonsense do not know what NASA has been letting in for a very long time with the help of ULA Corporation (Boeing's Union with Lotchid)

[loki565]

Yes, where does it let ??? NASA is a government organization, and its assets are being taken into private hands, that is, in your pocket. This is Karl corruption)))

[Blackmokona]

Missiles, engines, and more, what NASA is doing SpaceX for more than half a century now. It has long been handed over to corporations. And naturally, these corporations did not transfer anything to SpaceX, since the competitor who takes a piece of the pie from them

[loki565]

And the start tables were given away for beautiful eyes for free ???))) In Nasa, people also work, they also have a thirst for profit)))

[Blackmokona]

NASA launch sites do not belong, they belong to the Air Force, and they are not transferred, but leased for money. Moreover, all work on them for their alteration to the needs of SpaceX at the expense of money and resources of SpaceX. And the lease is so cheap that SpaceX is building its own spaceport for all its strength

[loki565]

Well of course I don’t see a fig))) of course they are leased, you can reassure yourself further)))

[Blackmokona]

LC-39A platform has been leased since 2014 SpaceX, converted to launch Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launch vehicles. The first launch of the Falcon 9 rocket from the site took place on February 19, 2017. The first launch of the Falcon Heavy took place on February 6, 2018.

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

Is this a private trader, Musk or something ??? Musk is a project to partially privatize nas and is backed by serious people from the US government

And what does it matter, even if so.
If the product manufactured by him (with NASA support, without it) is better than that of Roscosmos?
Maybe it’s worth partially privatizing Roscosmos and they will immediately catch up with the Mask?
Do you believe that?

[loki565]

That is, in your opinion, is corruption good or is it good only in the United States ???))) And why is it better? they told you this and you believed it))) How many launches does he have in relation to Roskosmos ??? The USA had many grandiose projects that ended in nothing

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

That is, in your opinion, is corruption good or is it good only in the USA ??

Corruption And where is corruption? Do you have any facts?
On the table - pliz.

Quote: loki565

And what is it better? at

He releases the best product.
Which is cheaper - the point.
It is cheaper. What other questions?

Quote: loki565

they told you this and you believed it)

Well, there’s no sheep, it’s not you kiss TV.
The ORBIT is ordered and paid by PARTICIPANTS.
They pay their money and go to the one who is cheaper - is this news for you? Charles.
And they go to the Mask.
By the way, the price list is open and public ..

Quote: loki565

How many launches does it have in relation to Roskosmos?

Yes, fuck.
Today it is 2 times cheaper and at least no less reliable.

Quote: loki565

The USA had many grandiose projects that ended in nothing

Baby talk.
The USSR ended in nothing - in comparison with this, any disastrous US project is a sandbox game.

[loki565]

blah blah blah sneak US counted))) Cheaper ??? Dumping did not hear ??? in the USA the printing press works round the clock, they can send all for free and write out loans that no one will give, the state debt will tolerate)))

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

blah blah blah sneak US counted))) Cheaper ??? Dumping did not hear ??

Proof of ?
What prevents Roskosmos dumping? For that matter.
To keep a market segment.

Quote: loki565

in the United States, the printing press works round the clock, they can send all for free and write out loans that no one will give, the state debt will tolerate)))

Baby talk.

[loki565]

This is a rye of capitalism, the United States can print as much as you want money; its creditors are simply afraid to take their money or it will be like with Venezuela, billions will be taken and humanitarian water will be brought. American charity)))
And they invest in Roscosmos at times less than in the US company, here you have all the babble)))

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

And they invest in Roscosmos at times less than in the US company, here you have all the babble)))

and, so the whole problem - is there not enough money?
But if there was money, then WE WOULD ,,,,,,
I heard that 50 years ago.
There is no money - but you hold on.
The main thing is that Assad would survive.

[loki565]

I said: the US liz is counted, you can’t be zealous))) it’s silly not to see obvious things))) the USA is robbing countries around the world, forcing them to buy their products, a vivid example of Turkey and India. Even the Europeans are imposing their expensive gas, in every possible way inserting sticks into the wheels of NORTHERN FLOW 2

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

I said: the US liz is counted, you can’t be zealous))) it’s stupid not to see obvious things)

Indeed, in no space exploration area did the USSR manage to catch up with the USA

Quote: loki565

US rob countries around the world, forced to buy their products, a vivid example of Turkey and India

Wow, as they say - your computer with Windows - did the USA make you buy it?

Quote: loki565

Even Europeans are imposing their expensive gas, in every possible way inserting sticks into the wheels of the NORTH FLOW 2

Wow, and all this prevents Roskosmos from launching a cheaper Mask.
I’ll tell you more - they write in elevators - the same State Department hirelings.

[loki565]

I said: the US liz is counted, you can not zeal))) All these chants can be left to yourself))) I have a Chinese computer))) Imagine the United States can dumping better than Russia, stupidly more money, and indeed they are unlimited) )))

[Setrac]

Quote: atalef

Indeed, in no space exploration area did the USSR manage to catch up with the USA

Russia has manned space flight, the United States does not. That's it.

Quote: atalef

Wow, as they say - your computer with Windows - did the USA make you buy it?

30% of the programmers who wrote Windows were Russian.

[donavi49]

I repeat once again - and so what? A modern example is Batygin. His father worked at MEPhI - the youngest lived in Moscow until 8. With MEPhI, his father was kicked out. He bombed the resume and went to work not as a taxi driver, but in the Japanese center Ricken - for physics. Then he was invited to the USA - to work in the laboratory on the accelerator.

The son also went to science, of course to American (there is no choice). And now it is among the tops of the world's young scientists. He’s not going to his homeland, but he and Brown washed the evidence of 9 of the big planet with vodka

[Setrac]

Quote: atalef

and, so the whole problem - is there not enough money?

All you Jews need to measure in money.
There are not enough resources that are really needed in other projects.

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

Maybe it’s worth partially privatizing Roscosmos and they will immediately catch up with the Mask?

and why catch him up? ))))

[Tomcat]

In everything! To list you? Flights of Voyagers and Pioneers, rovers, space telescopes, and so on

[poquello]

Quote: Tomcat

In everything! To list you? Flights of Voyagers and Pioneers, rovers, space telescopes, and so on

? Musk sent the voyager? did not know did not know

[Tomcat]

And I said what exactly Musk? And what did Rogozin send, trampolines?

[poquello]

Quote: Tomcat

And I said what exactly Musk?

Chukchi writer?

Quote: poquello

Quote: atalef

Maybe it’s worth partially privatizing Roscosmos and they will immediately catch up with the Mask?

and why catch him up? ))))

[Hole puncher]

Quote: loki565

Musk is a project to partially privatize nas and is backed by serious people from the US government

You repeat other people's ravings. NASA is more of an administrative office, they have research centers, there is even a unit that AMCs create, but no more. NASA does not design engines and rockets; they do not have specialists of such a plan.

[Tomcat]

Do not bother to believe Uri patriots in fairy tales

[freejack]

Rogozin suggest throwing himself on a trampoline and let him fly to the moon.

"Drop off" is when there is more than one. And when one - just "pays." It is necessary to count chickens in the fall.
For the "professor" today is really a white day. (As, in general, the whole Leberastni is already seething everywhere. In what century did the Americans do something!).
I remember the American folk festivities in the early 80s, when the Space Shuttle program was successfully launched. How did it end? And I mean it.
In general, America is the richest high-tech superpower - and it’s dumb even that it generally allowed an almost 10-year forced break in manned space exploration!

[loki565]

For the "professor" today is really a white day.

And you remind him of the Israeli lunar rover and it will immediately turn black)))

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

For the "professor" today is really a white day.

And you remind him of the Israeli lunar rover and it will immediately turn black)))

And with a moon hop, everything is fine

The device "Bereshit" made another independent maneuver
On Thursday evening, the Bereshit spacecraft made the second independent maneuver on its way to the moon. The engines of the device were turned on for 4 minutes, and it switched from one orbit to another, closer to the satellite of the earth.

A few days ago, due to a failure in the star orientation unit, Bereshit was unable to make an independent maneuver, however SpaceIl emphasizes that the estimated time of landing on the moon has not changed. The device should hit 11 April.

The SpaceIl Flight Control Center notes that the system’s systems are working properly and that all problems have been fixed

[Shahno]

So it was all right with him. An emergency situation was decided on the same day. At the program level, they did not take into account that some of the parameters at this point will be higher. But the equipment was initially wired as well as the elemental base, taking into account possible deviations, there was a reserve.

[Tomcat]

Do you recall Phobos soil? Turn green

[dgonni]

She did not allow a 10-year break! They just counted the money. If Russia, in their opinion, will carry pennies, why not? During this time, they relied on private traders. We already see the result.

[loki565]

Stupidity, delivery will be carried out by those who have carriers. And if Dregon fails, then his accident rate will increase by a hundred times in comparison with the Union, and, accordingly, insurance will fly to heaven.

[atalef]

Quote: loki565

Stupidity, delivery of astronauts will be handled by those who have carriers

those with whom it will be cheaper

Quote: loki565

. And if Dregon fails,

And if, and if, and on trampolines

[loki565]

Well, that means you need to drill a hole, so that if it weren’t))) So to speak, otvetochka)))

[poquello]

Quote: loki565

Well, that means you need to drill a hole, so that if it weren’t))) So to speak, otvetochka)))

for the sake of this woman, Mask, he built a whole ship, who among the Americans thought that ours would find a hole just like that and they would shit and there’s no taxi)))))))

[loki565]

Ha ha ha, the main thing is to find a hole in time, that's for sure)))

[Tomcat]

The Minister of Defense of Russia issues his mistresses the rank of general!

[poquello]

Quote: Tomcat

The Minister of Defense of Russia issues his mistresses the rank of general!

better write a book "Alone with a candle in the bedroom of the Minister of Defense"

[Tomcat]

https://gubdaily.ru/blog/lifestyle/interesnoe/v-26-let-stala-general-majorom-effektnye-pomoshhnicy-rossijskix-chinovnikov-kotorye-obrashhayut-na-sebya-vnimanie-foto/

https://bazaistoria.ru/blog/43535220621/%C2%ABV-VOENNOM-GAREME-SHOYGU-NASHLI-28-LETNYUYU-GENERALSHU%C2%BB-OCHEREDN

[Tomcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnfNgtC-MI0

[Tomcat]

Since Russia does not have its own Ilon Maskov! And there are trampolines!

[Vadim237]

In addition to astronautics, Russia has a lot of other things that are developing well - aircraft and rocket propulsion engineering as an example. And so, to catch up with the United States, we need an air launch or a single-stage aerospace aircraft with a combined ramjet + LRE, such an engine was made back in 2016, but Roscosmos decided to go along the path of stupid copying.

[atalef]

Quote: Vadim237

but Roscosmos decided to follow the path of stupid copying.

copy what?

[Vadim237]

Rocket Mask with a return first stage.

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

Rocket Mask with a return first stage.

do not write nonsense, if you were puzzled by the return of steps this does not mean copying at all, because there is nothing to copy

[loki565]

Well, you probably know better from the sofa what technologies are now more profitable))) On which plane were you going to lift the rocket ??? and how much tone will that rocket weigh ???)))

[Tomcat]

If Rogozin and others like him manage efficient managers yet, then nothing will remain at all! https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/591092-ms21-sankcii-ssha-kompozit-importozameschenie
https://echo.msk.ru/blog/dailyrington/2373729-echo/

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Moore Meow

site "Made in Russia"

Where they will be proud to tell how Roshydromettsentr launched a one-time satellite.

Quote: Puncher

Just 8 years Roskosmos received additional income which unfortunately did not go to the benefit.

And they warned that one should not relax. While engaged in carriage, they worked out new technologies.

[zyzx]

Quote: donavi49

If ok - then in the summer (but really until the end of the year) with people.

Do you know when Gagarin is with people?

[atalef]

Quote: zyzx

Quote: donavi49

If ok - then in the summer (but really until the end of the year) with people.

Do you know when Gagarin is with people?

Do you know when Archimedes is with a screw?
Well, what does it matter now?

[figwam]

Quote: atalef

Well, what does it matter now?

The Americans are simply catching up and have not done anything revolutionary.

[Tomcat]

And who are they catching up with? Rogozin? From the revolutionary in my opinion there is the Hubble telescope, Voyagers, Mars rovers! What does great Russia have? Permanent President! A close circle of oligarchs?

[zyzx]

Quote: atalef

Do you know when Archimedes is with a screw?
Well, what does it matter now?

Well, yes ... indeed, after all, only 1 is a country from 203x that regularly throws people into the orbit ... and so, really what value ...

[atalef]

Quote: zyzx

Quote: atalef

Do you know when Archimedes is with a screw?
Well, what does it matter now?

Well, yes ... indeed, after all, only 1 is a country from 203x that regularly throws people into the orbit ... and so, really what value ...

Just one?
Are you okay ?

[Setrac]

Quote: atalef

Do you know when Archimedes is with a screw?
Well, what does it matter now?

Well, nevertheless, I know perfectly well that only the achievements of the Jews are important, the goyim vile have no right to be proud of anything.

[Metlik]

After one flight, the spacecraft will receive a certificate of validity. (Despite the fact that it does not have a mandatory system of withdrawal from the station in the event of a malfunction). And how much will our plane or helicopter test and certify, on which only the instrument panel has been changed? Years, if not decades.

[Cowbra]

But how could it be otherwise? !!! It is idiocy to adopt a system that has not produced at least some positive statistics, if the system, by definition, works in critical modes, and errors there will not be measured in bucks, but in corpses.
I don’t think NASA will be satisfied with one test either, there are no fools there either

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

But how could it be otherwise? !!! It is idiocy to adopt a system that has not produced at least some positive statistics, if the system, by definition, works in critical modes, and errors there will not be measured in bucks, but in corpses.
I don’t think NASA will be satisfied with one test either, there are no fools there either

Two shuttles and 14 corpses prepared for rabid grandmothers completely satisfied them! And the price tag of their mother is not grieving.

[Bratok]

Quote: Metlik

After one flight, the spacecraft will receive a certificate of validity. (Despite the fact that it does not have a mandatory system of withdrawal from the station in the event of a malfunction)

Look over the first koment read .U. Jews of joy straight full pants from the professor, if only to annoy the Russians .. Well
The West has primarily commercial interest in space ... And in Russia, it is just a thirst for research, but we have little money ..SSSR collapsed precisely for our curiosity and ability to concentrate the resources of the whole country on space exploration .. And we could already control planet and not only ..
Now the majority in Russia have a theme of surviving from s / n to s / n .. AND EVERYTHING!
Here he is grinning the capitalist system of the economy ..

[777-3-59-97]

The West has primarily commercial interest in space ... And in Russia, it’s just a thirst for research

And can you, please, a surname list of "thirsty for research" in the leadership of Roscosmos and affiliated structures. And then, judging by the news, only the greed for profit prevails there.
Rogozin generally thinks about how to cut a dummy-shaped glass in the center of Moscow.

[Cowbra]

For thought - at the office of Rogozin - over 30 successful manned launches in 10 years - 32 pieces, 4 per year, like a clock. The United States has 6 ... Moreover, on unreliable shuttles, which already in 2003 finally confirmed their unreliability ... Flights of kamikazes. Rogozin is the leader, and I note the uninterrupted work he provides. But his subordinates ... For example, have you heard anything about an ion engine or detonation engine? Hello to various professors, it’s better to yell that Mask is a genius, only he has a mock-up, a test launch, but his pants are full of joy. So we have a lot of models, we just have working things. And yes, at that same Rogozin, attack the sect minusers with the Tesla launch - you have more to say, there is usually nothing)))

[Diana]

Oh, how interesting! Taking into account the fact that the Soyuz has one disaster or accident per 36 launches, and the Shuttles have 67. TWICE BELOW.

[Cowbra]

Fly? Oh, how interesting ... By the way, did you PILOTED starts counted accident rate? Well, I thought so. And what kind of Unions? Less to you for juggling
And on shoulder straps

Accidents of Soyuz launch vehicles - out of all 3 launches, failed at the start or during the operation of the first three stages and the upper stage. In all three cases, the crew escaped.

[Diana]

All "Unions". And the score, in comparison with the Shuttles, is strongly not in their favor, even if unmanned launches are also counted - then one disaster or accident will fall on 42 launches.

[Cowbra]

Perhaps I won’t use it. Although, frankly, it is embarrassing - 32 only for 2010 launches, and there are only three accidents - and this is from 1975 ... For the manned. But I believe, at one time the shuttles drove the rampant.
See for yourself - the program is minimized and the program is developing. And who is right, where is leadership better? Duc.
Moreover, the reason was not so much in disasters as in the unprofitability of this fool. And this was known to management. It turned out an average of 1,47 lard.

For comparison, the Delta IV Heavy commercial rocket (which is the most expensive of the current launch vehicles after shutting down the Shuttle program) costs $ 400 million for launch without any reuse, and at the same time puts a larger payload into orbit than the shuttle.

By the way, now the same nonsense is being promoted about the Mask, again I don’t hear either about flaw detection numbers or about engine life - there are no numbers, as with the shuttle, they also sang about cheap space, and then found out that it’s three times more expensive, right?
Well, what do we say about the leadership? Say the second time on the same rake?

[Diana]

There were four disasters and accidents at Soyuz: 1967, 1971, 1975, 1983.
The Shuttle and Buran programs were a technical error. When they were started, there was a general conviction that the cargo traffic into space would continuously grow - and at an increasing pace. That did not happen. But there is no merit of the leadership of the Soviet and Russian space programs in continuing the life of the Soyuz. This was perceived as a purely forced decision. "There would be no happiness, but misfortune (the fact that the program" Energy - Buran "has become unmanageable) helped." It happens.

[Cowbra]

So. We're talking about leadership now. About Burans and Shuttles, I will note this: firstly, they screwed up in forecasting the market - the incompetence of the leadership team. Right, it happens. Some turn off the program, the second beat the tambourine and yell - "the cheapest"! Somewhere I've already seen this ... Ah, yes, Musk and the recoverable stage, yes ... And, playing with a tambourine, they don’t do anything, well, expensive ... But do you need to beat a tambourine? Glaring incompetence of the leadership. Because now they are sitting on the ground.
Now another inverse - if this program is not functional, then what should I do? Another. In the USSR, it was made and developed to, as far as I remember, the least costly launch, despite the fact that our spaceport is not so convenient. The program is licked even to the brilliance - this is not a temporary measure, but an effective solution! And as practice has shown - the ONLY true. And the Shuttle is the essence of an autogyro, there were also such ones, but an ancient plane invented before them flied and flies

[Diana]

Suppose - a gyroplane was an intermediate stage on the way to helicopters. Which the plane cannot replace in any way (despite all these hohmochki with konvetiplanami).
So here too - the mistake was not in the idea of ​​a reusable TCS, but in the choice of its technical concept and dimension. If they would have created a US Hermes, they would have been flying until now, they did not know grief.
And "Soyuz" ... The device is good, but everything is getting old. "Little Dragon" will obviously be better.
Although Mask plans to hang 12 thousand satellites over the Earth and colonize Mars, I am somewhat ironic.

[Cowbra]

Again, the same problems and an awesome price, because a complete flaw detection is to consider repair, then again a resource, plus taxiing-lifter trinkets absolutely unnecessary at this level of development ... The same problems as the Shuttle.
While we are pulling from orbit to deliver only parcels, she needs a dvigun only to slow down. The concept of the Union, while there are no technologies to fly to plasma in thick layers, then grunt the earth and then go on. What the creators of the Shuttle Buranov hoped for. And when you change all thermal protection (dear), dvigun - change, everything else - ring, so far it’s cheaper even one-time, I think.
The evolutionary path of development.
But the revolutionary one is laying down new principles. Autogyro - stillborn squalor, then the swashplate - and most importantly in the flight of an autogyro - the pushing screw - left to catch butterflies. So here - with current technology - no need to sculpt humpback ghouls. Union concept. With new materials. No need to tear jump pants

[Diana]

The pressurized compartment, Draco engines, fuel tanks, wiring and part of the avionics remained the same during the first re-use of the Dragon.

[Cowbra]

Engine resource how much will it pull now? So you have to look at the price, it is because of the engines that every 5th seems to be a flight - they built a new Shuttle. For the money. Plus prevention in 4 previous ones.
Everything else that you described is renovation. "PART of avionics". Not only is part of the new, so combine it with the old, ring out the result. No matter how expensive it becomes, than to cram all the new stuff entirely. And in terms of reliability, it is definitely worse. Again - a new burning part of the casing - and this is the body called ... However, this is just about the tfu.

[Diana]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_полётов_по_программе_«Спейс_Шаттл»
So where is the "new" Shuttle "for every 5th flight" ?? Even accelerators served longer.

[Cowbra]

On the same engine? Maybe then tell me how the price of the program from 7,5 to 199,9 billion dollars has grown? Wiki is such a thing, it must be treated very carefully.

The cost of each shuttle flight changed over time: for 2003 it was about $ 240 million, in 2010 about 775 million dollars.

Has the dollar fallen so much? Or did you have to change a lot before this flight, as you think?

[Diana]

The inflation rate in the USA for any period in the last 100 years can be seen here:
https://www.statbureau.org/ru/united-states/inflation-calculators?dateBack=2003-1-1&dateTo=2010-12-1&amount=1000
And of course, between the flights, the shuttle itself, and accelerators, and the launch complex passed the CWR. In addition - the full cost of the mission depends on the cost of cargo insurance (which can vary greatly - at times) and on many other things. And of course, the initial forecast of program costs, even at constant prices, turned out to be very underestimated as usual.
In general - I do not see anything unusual.

[Cowbra]

Inflation - approx minus 10%, you were too lazy, yes ... Attention, the question is, what was the difference between the first launch and the second launch, if the same shuttles flew both times and went through a routine inspection and inflation was mentioned above?
I can turn on a fool, too, n-nada? Especially about cargo insurance, yeah, well, cargo is understandable, more expensive than a shuttle. And the insurance premium is the full cost of the cargo, and at times - well, 5 costs

[Diana]

US inflation for 2003-2010 - approx. 25%.
Launches could easily differ in the volume and cost of repair work - since the raid on all shuttles and accelerators is very different. In addition, the shuttles themselves had different costs, which means that each start-up had different depreciation.
The cargo can really cost more than the Shuttle. But the insurance premium cannot be = full value of the cargo. 25% of this cost is already sky-high.

[atalef]

Quote: Diana

US inflation for 2003-2010 - approx. 25%.

whence?

2010 1,50
2009 2,72
2008 0,09
2007 4,08
2006 2,54
2005 3,42
2004 3,26
2003 1,88

19.5%

[Diana]

Yes, I was a bit mistaken: from 01.2003 to 12.2010 - 21,16%
Можете проверить по: https://www.statbureau.org/ru/united-states/inflation-calculators?dateBack=2003-1-1&dateTo=2010-12-1&amount=1000

[kapitan92]

Quote: Diana

Oh, how interesting!

For all time, Russia has launched 987 tons of the total starting mass of aircraft, 408 launch vehicles, of which 3204 were unsuccessful.

For the years 1957−2014. 5424 rockets were launched into space, of which 347 did not reach orbit. The starting mass of launched missiles is 1 tons, and under-flown - 777 tons

[Diana]

Very interesting tablet - thank!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Rogozin generally thinks about how to cut a dummy-shaped glass in the center of Moscow.

In my opinion, it looks more like a Soviet Buran at the start.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What doesn't it look like? In my opinion it is very symbolic.

[loki565]

Whoever thinks about what, then sees))) So one "psychologist" saw in the picture, in the tail of a cat, signs of a phalos and put the man for 13 years)))

[atalef]

Quote: Bratok

The USSR collapsed precisely for our curiosity

That's for sure, Vitalik.
The people were inquisitive and did not understand why in rotting capitalism, people live better than in the most advanced socialist country.

[Irokez]

Quote: atalef

why in rotting capitalism, people live better than in the most advanced socialist country

Yes, because if they begin to give back the debts they have accumulated, then they will rot alive.
Think Atalef Think at least sometimes.

[atalef]

Quote: Irokez

Yes, because if they begin to give back the debts they have accumulated, then they will rot alive.

I am amused.
Somehow on the west from 1917 of the year, at least 5 generations have changed.
And they don’t rot.

Quote: Irokez

Think Atalef Think at least sometimes.

You probably have a cognitive dissonance.
They broadcast one thing on TV, but you look through the window

[Irokez]

Quote: atalef

cognitive dissonance

Psychologists have read. Well, this will pass when the psyche is rebuilt.

[Tomcat]

My friend! You are a storyteller however

[Vadim237]

On it, this abduction system is present, like everything else for manned ships - designers are not.

[bear]

Che somehow strange even, these turn out everything, but we fall and explode. Like butoh, someone is gathering with us. !

[loki565]

Well, why do not they sabotage them ???)))

[Cowbra]

Congratulations on your next UNMANABLE start.

[Vadim237]

Congratulations on your new manned ship.

[Cowbra]

NOT manned and so far - the layout. Great joy

[Vadim237]

This is not a model - the final option for mass production - the ship is made and flies.

[Cowbra]

What's this? PILOTABLE, huh? Where is the pilot? Flies? Without a ship?

[Vadim237]

Manned - the first flight, the second most likely the same will be in unmanned mode, and the third manned.

[Junior Private]

I am incredibly happy for such historical events. But now, I would like to look at the "many times". I hope I will live. And I want all the details of the body defects. In terms of money, otherwise I want to send my left slippers to the moon and back, but I can't afford it financially.

[Hole puncher]

I used to think that a person in history does not mean anything, that everything depends on the processes taking place in society. But it turns out this is not so. If there is a person who is able to captivate a mass of people with a certain idea, then this team is capable of much. Take the same ULA, their engineers are no different from the SpaceX engineers, they have a similar education, training, but they are not led by such a person as Ilona Mask and therefore they cannot accomplish what the SpaceX team did. Having great experience in rocket science, Boeing, having the best financing, also cannot outrun frank beginners.
Today means a lot to SpaceX, but this is just another step towards the goal that the commander of this company set for himself, I really hope that he succeeds.
PS: I know that we will have a new Korolev who will lead Russia into space as before, if not now, but it will be.

[donavi49]

Well, the money was allocated by the way to NASA's Boeing - under the CCtCap program (orbital manned spacecraft) 2 finalists were selected, then in September they divided the money volume on the basis of projects:
4,2 billion in Boeing Starliner - Start Financing 2015 Year
2,6 billion in SpaceX Crew Dragon - Start Financing 2015 Year

[atalef]

Quote: donavi49

Well, the money was allocated by the way to NASA's Boeing - under the CCtCap program (orbital manned spacecraft) 2 finalists were selected, then in September they divided the money volume on the basis of projects:
4,2 billion in Boeing Starliner - Start Financing 2015 Year
2,6 billion in SpaceX Crew Dragon - Start Financing 2015 Year

And now what if NASA allocated the money?
They don’t give money to Roscosmos?

[zyzx]

Quote: Puncher

If there is a person capable of captivating a lot of people

Yes, there is always a man of quiet mind ...

[voyaka uh]

These are still flowers ... To understand why the Mask needs reusable rockets.
He planned to raise several thousand satellites to 300 km of orbit so that
organize cheap wireless internet.
Disposable rockets would take decades. And so a fleet of 40-50 Falcons-9
will throw all this horde of satellites in 3-4 years.

SpaceX got the green light this week from US authorities to put a constellation
of nearly 12,000 satellites into orbit in order to boost cheap, wireless internet
accessed by the 2020s.
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-spacex-satellites-orbit.html#jCp

[Diana]

Those. will each Falcon launch at least 60 satellites per year ?? Will it not be too much ?? ...

[Blackmokona]

Promised 10 flights without major repairs, with a 24-hour interval (When everything is completed) Judging by the mass of satellites, they can be stuffed in 15-20 pieces into one Falcon. That is, only 3-4 flights per rocket per year, which, taking into account the already demonstrated launch interval of 2 weeks, will require only 6-8 weeks. It all comes down to the production of second stages that are not reusable

[voyaka uh]

They will launch in packs of 10 pieces. SpaceX's goal is to launch one rocket
(1st stage) every 48 hours. 10 times. Then preventive maintenance with
dismantling the engines (they are quick-detachable with bolts).
The main problem today: not preparing the stage itself with a restart,
and the preparation of the cargo - satellites.
They will have a launch and landing site 2 km apart.
She sat down a step - was transported in a couple of hours, examined, refueled,
loaded satellites - takeoff. Like passenger liners.
-----
See also the version of BlackMokona. In general, our options
(what I read in the press) coincided.

[loki565]

Cheap internet ??? Do you believe in these tales ???))) How much will this program cost ???

[voyaka uh]

Cheap for the end user. The giants of online commerce will pay the Mask,
advertising distributors, popular sites.

[loki565]

direct slogan of the pyramid))) and these giants at whose expense will pay? at a loss?

[voyaka uh]

And these giants - Amazon, Ali-express - are incredibly profitable. For them, unfasten the interest
The mask is the cost of the pins.

[zyzx]

Well, you will learn the features of the SATELLITE INTERNET and why it is still not there ... and WILL NOT ...

[voyaka uh]

He is not, because you need a network of several thousand satellites in orbit
and millions of receiving antennas on earth.
And there are no satellites, because to launch them with "1st generation rockets" - disposable -
it would take decades.
In the last 2-3 years, a new stage in commercial space exploration begins.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: zyzx

and WILL NOT ...

Yeah, they really do not want this in Russia, China. After all, so much effort has been made to control the Internet and everything will be lowered into the toilet.

[Tomcat]

As long as the grabber is irreplaceable with his kodla, there will be no new Queen in Vlasov’s Russia!

[AshiSolo]

Well, where is there already "Mask is a liar" and "Vsevreti"? Here he is, Falcon, who flew. And the step sat down. Pah-pah-pah so that the whole flight was so successful. This may be a loss for Batutin, but a net gain for humanity ...

[AshiSolo]

At first it won't fly, then the stage won't go, then the Heavy Falcon won't fly, then Musk is lying, then NASA won't give the contract, then ... The "manned" stage has gone. Let's wait some more. This flight is almost the last step to manned. And the funniest thing is that they don’t need to hurry and drive ahead of the locomotive: NASA made some straws and bought seats in the Unions for everyone. So they have a flight guarantee and will have their own "passenger" one. Alas and ah.

[Tomcat]

Cheers patriots will answer you as usual:


That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.


That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.


That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.


That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.


That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.


That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.


When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.


That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.


That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.


That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.


That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.


Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.


=== You are here ===


That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.


That's when they make their Dragon 2, then we'll talk.


That's when they start to carry people, then we'll talk.


That's when they launch the device to the moon, then we'll talk.


That's when they learn to land a ship without parachutes, then we'll talk.


That's when they launch Red Dragon, then we'll talk.


That's when he sits on Mars, then we'll talk.


That's when they make their Martian transport, then we'll talk.


That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.


That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.


That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.

[dgonni]

I understand the Angara u? Is it time for Rogozin to write a trampoline?

[Vadim237]

With it pokka unknown and uncertainty - however, as with all of our cosmonautics in the next 10 - 15 years.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Vadim237

With it pokka unknown and uncertainty - however, as with all of our cosmonautics in the next 10 - 15 years.

What will remain after 10-15 years from our cosmonautics with such leaders?

[Vadim237]

Missile propulsion will remain, space instrumentation materials science on space materials, a school for training astronauts, and, accordingly, launches of its commercial and military satellites.

[Tomcat]

Nothing left! As soon as the sanctions were announced, work was immediately suspended! Composites in the United States purchased for the superjet and Federation! They threatened to start production in Russia on their own, but things are still there

[Vadim237]

Composites for plumage were purchased in Japan - but now they are not demanding, they have already made their own and are testing them, now they are assembling the third sample of MC 21 - so the cart has already left ahead. More than 180 superjets have been released and continue to be released further - everything else is a concussion - about what they will not do in the same vein.

[Tomcat]

https://compromat.ws/yaponskie-kompozity-dlya-ms-21-ne-zamenit-dazhe-marina-sechina/

[Junior Private]

Quote: donavi49

Well, the money was allocated by the way to NASA's Boeing - under the CCtCap program (orbital manned spacecraft) 2 finalists were selected, then in September they divided the money volume on the basis of projects:
4,2 billion in Boeing Starliner - Start Financing 2015 Year
2,6 billion in SpaceX Crew Dragon - Start Financing 2015 Year

And they also allocated money for all kinds of Zumvolts. So what? I will not speak about projects of the F-35 type, I'm tired of it. It's time for the Americans to fly back to the moon again. I'll get drunk then.

[donavi49]

No, I just pointed out that the "court businessman" received significantly less (by 1,6 billion) money than the "impoverished" mega-corporation Boeing.

[zyzx]

Quote: reveny

Something I do not understand, but what about the "swindler" "publicity stunt" where is all this stoned hurray patriotic fraternity?

What are you talking about? He is a fraudster in the field of Tesla's stocks, your gods, the American prosecutors will not let you lie. And now about space. How many of the Masks of manned flights are there ... 0 damn ... and people have been flying into orbit for 60 years, so what's the breakthrough then?

[Tomcat]

You're right! no breakthrough! Here is the Rogozin trampoline and frequent disasters is a revolution !!! And Elon Musk is a con

[zyzx]

Well, people of quiet mind, I don’t understand your enthusiasm about the trampoline sect. With all the controversy of Rogoza, the trampoline was mentioned in the context of the launch of a living person. Well And? A bag of cookies and a mannequin is a man? And, the fact that the unmanned astronautics of the United States, at a level even Rogose is known. And the fact that in the SGA from the 60s they know how to inanimate objects into orbit is not news at all ...

[figwam]

Quote: zyzx

Well, people of quiet mind, I do not understand your delight

So 10 years of humiliation, dependence and envy))))

[zyzx]

I don’t understand the joy of the sect. Mask, the first non-manned flight, 57th year, Gagarin, 61 years old, the first space station, 71st year .... 62,58 AND 48 years have passed, what is joy and delight?

[donavi49]

Well look:
adekvat rejoice that still flew, science forward, etc. In principle, is any success worthy of joy in this matter? Or is the mission of Cassini, Rosettes, New Horizons, Juno, Parker Probe unworthy of joy? Chang'e? Yes, even Lunopryzh if saved, flights to 89km from Branson, hopping Bezos.


if you look more broadly, then the Americans now potentially receive 2 orbital spacecraft (Starliner in a month) - a new generation. That is, at the Federation level. Again we - talking about real tasks - bring people into orbit / ISS. 1 new generation ship (Boeing / Mask) carries 7 people - 1 Union - 3. That is, Roscosmos has problems in the very near future:
1) Refusal of ticket fees.
2) The influx of mass tickets to the market. That is, the topic with tourists (which was turned off after Shuttles left - for all the tickets was bought by NASA) - will not take off again in the Union. For the Americans will be able to select 5 tourists = 2 target astronauts on their ship (that is, the current level of NASA’s programs and participation). How to compete with this? Despite the fact that the Union really has 1, a maximum of 2 tourists.

Well, the main problem. Instead of working in the industry, investments, ongoing improvements. They invest in 15 + years (high risk) programs and plan to build a mega-center rocket-shaped tower in Moscow.

[Diana]

They write that the "moon jump" is back in working order:

Representatives of the Israeli organization SpaceIL, which launched the Beresheet probe to the moon, reported on the solution of problems associated with the work of the spacecraft.
As experts emphasized, restarting the computer of the device was not associated with possible malfunctions in the electronics, so they managed to solve the problem by sending several program commands to the probe. However, they do not exclude the appearance of new problems.
"I would not be surprised if we have other problems in the coming weeks. Not everything can be checked on Earth," SpaceNews quotes the words of IAI employee Ofer Doron, who took part in the creation of the project.

[loki565]

Is the ISS not enough for 7 people ??? So many are rarely there, some fly in, others fly. Again, it all depends on the success of the flight with a person, if something goes wrong, it can bury the entire program.

[donavi49]

What program? They have 2 parallel programs without unification:
Dragon + Falcon - Musk, the first full cycle flight on 2-8 March.
Starliner + Atlas (Volcano in the future) - Boeing / ULA, first full-cycle flight April 2019.

[zyzx]

Quote: donavi49

Well look:
adekvat rejoice that still flew science forward

WHAT GOED FORWARD? This technology is 50 years old. Besides the minuses, explain what is the breakthrough?

[donavi49]

I do not put any cons, I generally ignore the reputation here.

50 years ago, we flew 7-local reusable ships of a private company, on a reusable rocket of a private company? If the news was that the Federation flew to the ISS with Fedor instead of the crew, would you behave the same way? I would write similar posts .

[vitvit123]

Quote: donavi49

1) Refusal of ticket fees.

Without malice. Did the Americans abandon Russian tickets in the near future? maybe you are in the know. If everything is fine with the manned, then now they must refuse. Very close time will tell.

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the flight of its interplanetary transport system BFR - in the 2024th

[Tomcat]

That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.


That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.


That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.


That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.


That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.


That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.


When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.


That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.


That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.


That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.


That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.


Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.


=== You are here ===


That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.


That's when they make their Dragon 2, then we'll talk.


That's when they start to carry people, then we'll talk.


That's when they launch the device to the moon, then we'll talk.


That's when they learn to land a ship without parachutes, then we'll talk.


That's when they launch Red Dragon, then we'll talk.


That's when he sits on Mars, then we'll talk.


That's when they make their Martian transport, then we'll talk.


That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.


That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.


That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.

[RUSS]

[quote = zyzx] I don’t understand the joys of the sect Mask, the first unmanned flight 57th year, Gagarin 61 years old, the first space station 71th year ... 62,58 AND 48 years have passed, what is joy and delight? [/ quote

Not joy and delight, but sadness
...for us.

Space Instrument Design Engineer (member of the North-West Organization of the Russian Federation of Cosmonautics) Alexander Khokhlov recently recalled that the United States, before the Columbia disaster in 2003, was not going to close the Space Shuttle program so early (2011). Moreover, they planned to create their own manned rescue ship, which was supposed to be present at the station together with the Soyuz spacecraft, but the project was canceled.

Much of the original ISS program took a different path. Suffice it to recall that the configurations of the Russian and American segments were much more complicated and interesting, and the FGB-2 module, which is now called MLM "Science" and is still stored, was supposed to dock to the station in 2007.

The gift to Roscosmos in the form of expensive contracts for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS should have expired long ago, but has been extended. Do not forget that each launch brought Roscosmos more than $ 160 (the launch of one cosmonaut currently costs the Americans $ 000).

What is left in this case for Roskosmos, which loses its main trump card in negotiations with the Americans? Manned launches to the International Space Station, of course. For equal cooperation with the Americans in the construction of new stations, serious financial investments are required, but we do not have them. Talk of a joint construction of a new lunar orbital station has faded in recent months. The chances of building your own independent segment of the orbital station are fading day by day (the "Science" module has already been postponed to 2020, its prospects are becoming dimmer).

The years of space monopoly, successful for the Russians, have come to an end, and during this time we did not manage to create anything new, leaving for Soviet technologies. Further it will only be harder and harder.

[dima314]

In Russia, naked capitalism is now reigning, and if you listen to how many billions of dollars they are burying when building pipelines to empty the bowels of the earth and are not being built by their own contractors, by the way, the announced figures of profits from taxation by Roscosmos are pocket change. If the state is indifferent, and private traders are not profitable, then kapets and manned astronautics especially. By the way, except for prestige, there is no benefit from these flights. There are no scientific modules in orbit and Nauka will reach the ISS by the time of its sinking. And the automation is already so perfect that almost everything can be done in orbit and beyond without human intervention. And the prestige ... well, this has already passed to China and America, Russia is no longer in business here.

[Lamatinets]

A trampoline right now nibbles on his elbows, well, no one pulled his tongue, or pulled him, to express all sorts of nonsense.

[spectr]

There is a reason to call on the carpet officials of Roscosmos and take an interest in the successes.

[Vadim237]

Successes, except for rocket engine building, so far not what. You can also ask them a question - what the hell Clipper project turned.

[dima314]

There are no new engines, as I believe, only control systems are being transferred to a new elemental base, and all Soviet and long-developed ones.

[Shahno]

No, there are no ion engines. And NK (or RD) have constructive schemes that are very similar, each in its own line, the old principles from Soviet times are being exploited and developed. An attempt to harness a horse and a quivering doe into one cart with the help of new electronics and construction materials.

[Vadim237]

There is a rocket engine, a nuclear engine, a plasma rocket engine, as well as a demonstrator - a combined ramjet + rocket engine for aerospace aircraft.

[Lamatinets]

Have you seen the last meeting between Putin and Rogozin? The feeling that Rogozin would have had a red face was worried.

[rayruav]

hi Rogozin let him prepare trampolines

[Vadim237]

Let him prepare a trampoline for the whole of Roskosmos, soon they will all be fired, and the corporation will be disbanded.

[RUSS]

Bravo! Healthy competition is coming! Hooray comrades!

[bmv04636]

Interestingly, a professor would agree to a space flight on a second-hand stage, we are betting gentlemen.

[bmv04636]

Ingenious sold by Elon Musk

[aleksandroff]

Quote: Choi

It's time to update the tablet ...

That's when there will be customers, then we'll talk.
That's when there will be a contract with NASA, then we'll talk.
That's when Falcon 1 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when Falcon 9 flies them, then we'll talk.
That's when they build their ship then we'll talk.
That's when he reaches the ISS, then we'll talk.
When we launch geostationary satellites, then we'll talk.
That's when they figure out how to plant missiles, then we'll talk.
That's when they put at least one, then we'll talk.
That's when they put on a barge, then we'll talk.
That's when they start to plant after the withdrawal of the GPO, then we'll talk.
Here when the second-hand rocket will fly, then we will talk.
Here when the second-hand Dragon will fly, then we will talk.
That's when they show that it is profitable, then we'll talk.
That's when NASA allows you to fly to the ISS b / y ships on the used / missiles, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch their Falcon Heavy, then we'll talk.
That's when Crew Dragon flies, then we'll talk.
=== You are here ===
That's when the astronauts are lucky, then we'll talk.
That's when build your spaceport in Texas, then we'll talk.
That's when Methan Raptor flies, then we'll talk.
That's when the rest of the world will be slaughtered by the number of launches, then we'll talk.
That's when they launch at least a hundred Internet satellites, then we'll talk.
That's when they do BFR, then we'll talk.
That's when BFR starts to carry people, then we'll talk.
That's when a BFR ticket can buy everyone, then we'll talk.
That's when they make the interplanetary manned spacecraft, then we'll talk.
That's when people land on Mars, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is colonized, then we'll talk.
That's when Mars is terraformed, then we'll talk.

+++++++ and many more pluses!

[aleksandroff]

[quote = РУСС] [quote = zyzx] I don’t understand the joys of the sect Mask, the first unmanned flight 57th year, Gagarin 61 years old, the first space station 71th year ... 62,58 AND 48 years have passed, which is joy and delight ? [/ quote

Not joy and delight, but sadness
...for us.

Space Instrument Design Engineer (member of the North-West Organization of the Russian Federation of Cosmonautics) Alexander Khokhlov recently recalled that the United States, before the Columbia disaster in 2003, was not going to close the Space Shuttle program so early (2011). Moreover, they planned to create their own manned rescue ship, which was supposed to be present at the station together with the Soyuz spacecraft, but the project was canceled.

Much of the original ISS program took a different path. Suffice it to recall that the configurations of the Russian and American segments were much more complicated and interesting, and the FGB-2 module, which is now called MLM "Science" and is still stored, was supposed to dock to the station in 2007.

The gift to Roscosmos in the form of expensive contracts for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS should have expired long ago, but has been extended. Do not forget that each launch brought Roscosmos more than $ 160 (the launch of one cosmonaut currently costs the Americans $ 000).

What is left in this case for Roskosmos, which loses its main trump card in negotiations with the Americans? Manned launches to the International Space Station, of course. For equal cooperation with the Americans in the construction of new stations, serious financial investments are required, but we do not have them. Talk of a joint construction of a new lunar orbital station has faded in recent months. The chances of building your own independent segment of the orbital station are fading day by day (the "Science" module has already been postponed to 2020, its prospects are becoming dimmer).

The years of space monopoly, successful for the Russians, have come to an end, and during this time we did not manage to create anything new, leaving for Soviet technologies. Further it will only be harder and harder. [/ Quote]
you follow the work of your country a little and then you will know what is being built and is being created in our country. Stop reading the mantra. everything has long been wrong.

[bmv04636]

To begin with, wait until March 3 and then July. And so the space power launched a manned spacecraft into orbit, and this after conquering the moon and mastering manned flights by shuttles. Oh yes there is no doubt a breakthrough only in what ?. Or is it just a restoration of lost competencies.

[Shahno]

Namely, here is a breakthrough, but not technological, but at the organizational level and economic, and yes, to restore lost ground.
And I, in the place of your managers, would be scared by the speed of this recovery (and since I am in a different place, it is simply surprising).

[bmv04636]

a breakthrough in what is PR the speed of recovery of what was already.

[Vadim237]

There was an Apollo was a Shuttle, but their time passed - and at a new stage there were new spaceships in the United States with 4 of them - all at the test stage.

[aristok]

Quote: bmv04636

space power put into orbit a manned spacecraft and this after conquering the moon

she did not bring out a manned ship - he flew without people - a test flight.
So even this has not been achieved.

[Vadim237]

Nothing - in the summer will be achieved.

[bmv04636]

We'll wait and see this launch, also promised not to make 2019. Although not completed yet

[Lontus]

Quote: Vadim237

Nothing - in the summer will be achieved.

So what? Reached?
Failed to launch a manned spacecraft in 2019.
The penny is forecast by NASA propagandists

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: bmv04636

Oh yes there is no doubt a breakthrough only in what?

At least in the fact that a step forward for private astronautics, earlier only state + space promotion could boast of such successes, after all, Musk knows how to interest society) well, the breakthrough is definitely among the Americans, they return their positions to the PC, the period of the monopoly of our unions is a thing of the past .

[Operator]

Quote: atalef

there is no need here to tell tales and claim that all the achievements of the USSR are the achievements of Russia

Remember, remember: the Central Asians / Kazakhs, coupled with the tribaltes / Caucasians, straight from the pants jumped out to achieve the achievements of the USSR

[machinistvl]

7 people, that's good, parcels with sweets too. But how are they going to deliver fuel, massive equipment, etc. to the ISS We cannot do without our progress.

[Diana]

The Dragon cargo version can deliver it all. Up to cryogenic fuel - that Progress is beyond its power.

[Wilderness]

If I'm not mistaken - 7 people, this is a passenger option. There is also a mixed one - 4 people +2 tons of cargo. And there is probably a pure cargo one too.

[Diana]

The purely cargo "Drakosha" has already made 16 flights with cargo (15 successful).

[Wilderness]

Thanks I'll know.

[Diana]

Not at all. Here everything is painted in sufficient detail - with links to separate articles about each mission: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(Space ship)

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Wilderness

If I'm not mistaken - 7 people, this is a passenger option.

Yes. There is such an option, but it is as a fallback.

Quote: Wilderness

There is also a mixed one - 4 people +2 tons of cargo.

Yes. This is currently the main configuration for NASA, and it is being certified.
Although, in the first manned flight, the crew will be 2 people.

Quote: Wilderness

And there is probably a pure cargo one too.

Yes there is, but based on Dragon or Dragon1, who calls it what. Flies since 2011.
Based on the Crew Dragon, there is no cargo configuration yet, but they are going to make it in SpaseX.

[Blackmokona]

For many years, Musk regularly launches Falcon-9 cargo dragons to the ISS.

[donavi49]

I cited statistics - Progress is far from a leader in the delivery of cargo to the ISS. Just 2018 year - supply chain 2-3-3-1:
13 February Progress - 2746 kg of cargo of which 890kg is fuel, 420kg is water.
2 April (casting a scientific program for the new crew) Musk, and this particular Dragon already 3 times on the ISS (8, 12 and 14 missions) - 2647kg of which 3 units of equipment weighing 926kg, 1066kg scientific equipment for the SoyuzMS8 mission, the rest are supplies. Return to Earth 1743kg of equipment and materials from the ISS.
21 May Zingus - 3350kg of cargo, a spacesuit, materials for the modernization of the ISS, scientific equipment. In general, only 800kg of food and gifts were brought to the crew, the rest was for work.
29 June again Mask supplies supplies and scientific equipment for the MC9 program - 2697kg brought including 2 external modules, in general only 205kg supplies, the rest is work. Picked up - 1708kg.
9 July Progress supplies - 2450kg of which 400kg of water, 700kg of fuel, scientific equipment 312kg.
on September 22 epic japanese barrel Kounotori - more than 6 tons of cargo, 5 volume scientific instruments, and most importantly a new set of batteries.

16 November Progress - 2564kg, 770kg of fuel and 440kg of water.
17 November Zingus - 3350kg, 1044kg of scientific equipment, 942kg of parts and components, 1141 supplies for the crew.
5 December Musk - 2573kg, of which almost a ton of 3 external devices:
Seops - launcher for nanosatellites
GEDI is an automated observatory for observing forest changes.
prototype demonstrator of methane storage and refueling.
Refund - record 2500kg. For the first time, Dragon returned to earth more than 2 tons.

Сonclusion - Progress is now mainly used to supply fuel, water, air, etc. Carries a minimum of scientific workload (mainly Russian or for Russian segments). The main scientific workload is imported by Dragon, Zingus and Kounotori. However, not because others cannot, but because it is more convenient. And three Progresses per year - enough for these purposes. If they will increase the volume of work, then for the most part additional trucks will go in the form of Tsingusov / Dragons / Kounotori.

[da Vinci]

Like it or not like it, "Progress" is the day before yesterday (sorry). But it is not the fault of the Russian techies, but the inertness (even stupidity) of academicians and their relatives, who have stuck to the Academy of Sciences and the budget. And, unfortunately, there are no businessmen who see the prospect further than their own new yacht or oil field, and the admin-command method in the USSR was stalled, and under capitalism, the method of cutting money. Science and technology in the CIS (fodder of individual exclamations of bravado) - in the corral. IMHO.

[dima314]

I disagree! Academics do what the customers tell them, and this is the power in our case. Russia is still testing the only scientific model for a very long time. No tasks, no orders, just keeping up to say that there is manned space exploration. "Progress" is constantly being finalized and its filling has been different for a long time, the docking through the loop from the start is being worked out. Well, there will be a new ship, bigger than this one, so what? Were they assigned tasks? People just live there and see that everything works). If you bring 7 people at a time, they will only gobble up more and break the toilet! Russia has no sense other than its image!

[da Vinci]

And here is its own truth. But what's next - a dead end?

[Volozhanin]

It seems to me alone that due to the corrupt and incompetent D.R. , we go deeper and deeper into .... Our solution? Stalin come ....

[Tomcat]

This is you so in vain! Patriots think that everything is fine in the Russian Federation! Ahead of the whole planet! And the vile shtatovtsy only draw cartoons or saw the budget!

[leon1204id]

What cosmonautics. Arashukovs in the Senate, Rogozins in Roscosmos.
"The cost of the apartment we have described exceeds the total income of generations of the Rogozins for many years.
https://transparency.org.ru/special/rogozin/
"Due to the profits of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) and the Almaz-Antey concern, the financial condition of Roscosmos cannot be improved"
Подробнее на РБК:https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/01/2019/5c4756c09a79472f8e8150f6
"The main building of the National Space Center being created in Moscow can be built in the form of a rocket"
Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/22/02/2019/5c6feeaf9a79471d77a64e69[/quote]

[da Vinci]

So I wonder - how? Launcher and ship - almost from scratch.
Previously, the work of a bunch of research institutes and factories on a preliminary design, a project, long studies of materials / assemblies, testing, fine-tuning, test launches (for pilots - at least 3-4) - some 8 years.
Now - the project is 1-1,5 years, materials - up to 1,5 years, 2-3 launches. And that’s it. Neither Europe nor China can create a new product from scratch in such a time frame. After all, missiles fly, carry cargo and return!
A simple manager Musk could. The NASA monster with its means could not, and Musk could. Either he uses all the achievements of NASA, or his team of 7000 people is more productive than NASA 18880, not talking about rogozin and co.
Conclusion - Disperse NASA, ESA and others and move on to humanity with "7-mile strides". Or how?

[donavi49]

Well, like that, in general, it was a pretty interesting concept. And not only, just Musk is the most successful and loud. Won the New Zealand Korolev launches his rocket, and he has 200 people there. And he has his own engines.

Bezos also has about 2000 BlueOrigin staff:
- its BE-4 engine, which has already been shoved onto a promising main missile from YULA (Volcano)
- its own cruise ship New Shepard, 100% reuse of everything.
- its own promising medium-heavy missile with a returnable NewGlen stage.

And all these topics are in active work, and if Bezos were a little more adventurous, then this video would already have a test pilot of the company.

[Tomcat]

Where is Russian private space? Where are the Russian Ilona Masks?

[Vadim237]

I can say for sure, these guys of which 7000 are more productive than all our 240000 in the space rocket industry - about 10 times.

[poquello]

Quote: da Vinci

Or he uses all the achievements of NASA,

without "or", and more talk

[Vladimir_R]

So I wonder - how? Launcher and ship - almost from scratch.
Previously, the work of a bunch of research institutes and factories on a preliminary design, a project, long studies of materials / assemblies, tests, debugging, test launches (for pilots - at least 3-4) - some years 8. Now ...

I will try to explain it.
I am sure that many on the site remember the terrible word "sopromat", many will wake up in a cold sweat after mentioning this word. But now everything has become easier. You don't need to draw something, look for the necessary formula in reference books, count "in a column" or on a calculator. What was once, during the reign of Korolev and Glushko, was considered and drawn for weeks and months, is now done by two "grasping" youngsters in a couple of days. This is the first thing. And second, the most important thing. In many results-driven organizations, there is a huge focus on ideas conceived by controversial, naive and ambitious youths. Unfortunately, this is suppressed in our country, but look into the past - everything, almost everything, was proposed and tested by ambitious young people. Education and Science. Encouraging aspirations and desires, often erroneous and naive, but the seed lost among this ... Corruption and nepotism destroys it in the bud.

[Wilderness]

More production progress, incomparable even with the 80s. Accumulation of knowledge. - no longer need to go "by touch". And their availability is no longer a monopoly of states.
As I understand it, NASA has not been developing anything for a long time, limiting itself to developing a strategy, organizing access, control and acceptance, distribution of finances - everything else is private competition.

[Shahno]

I felt this already in 20 years ago, when I crossed paths with some compasses from the NASA clan. I now, as it were, the process has developed and is bearing fruit.

[Vadim237]

Already there are modulating CAD programs just in engineering and compromising.

[slipped]

Wow, I went in and then so much is torn ...

Meanwhile, the Soyuz MS-12 spacecraft is filled with fuel components and compressed gases

and the crew is ready to fly



launch soon

[Vladimir_R]

Wow, I went in and then so much is torn ...

Meanwhile, the Soyuz MS-12 spacecraft is filled with fuel components and compressed gases

It is perfectly! We will all (I hope so) keep our fingers crossed for the success of the launch and envy the astronauts; once many of us dreamed of being them. But that is not the point. We are talking about dynamics, development, and prospects. And here sad thoughts come. Soon, very soon, Soyuz will remain in the past, and the future is not yet visible even on the horizon ...

[slipped]

Quote: Vladimir_R

We are talking about dynamics, development, and prospects. And here sad thoughts come. Soon, very soon, Soyuz will remain in the past, and the future is not yet visible even on the horizon ...

What is not visible on the horizon then? See bad? The Irtysh rocket is being developed at the Progress RSC, and the NPP hardware and software complex at RSC Energia, which is already in iron. And Soyuz MS will be the ISS's standard rescue vehicle while the ISS is in orbit. As of today, it is until 2024. This year, we have seven spacecraft flying to the ISS, including the first summer launch of Soyuz MS on a new carrier for it - Soyuz-2.1a. And what interesting cargo is planned to be delivered on it, you do not even know.

The other day at the station in, RS ISS, equipment for Ku-band was mounted. To remove large amounts of scientific information.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

See bad?

I see that Rogozin promised 45 launches this year that I don’t see.

[slipped]

So blind - three launches from those 45 have already passed.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

So blind - three launches from those 45 have already passed.

Where? Can you poke a finger?

[slipped]

one - launch of BR "Yars", two launches of ILV Soyuz-2.1b (Baikonur, Kuru). All rockets were manufactured at Roscosmos enterprises. The next launch is March 14 - Soyuz-FG, Baikonur.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

one - launch of BR "Yars"

What does he have to Roskosmos?

[slipped]

Roscosmos in Russia not only produces and launches space rockets, but also intercontinental ballistic ones. Did not know? By the way, Yars was launched from Plesetsk by a combat crew of the Ministry of Defense together with representatives of Roscosmos.

[Vladimir_R]

What you can't see on the horizon then? Bad see? laughing The Irtysh rocket is being developed at the Progress RSC, and the NPP equipment at RSC Energia, which is already in iron. And Soyuz MS will be the ISS's regular rescue vehicle while the ISS is in orbit. As of today, it is until 2024. This year, we have seven spacecraft flying to the ISS, including the summer first launch of Soyuz MS on a new carrier for it - Soyuz-2.1a. And what interesting cargo is planned to be delivered on it, you do not even know.

is creation of the Irtysh rocket
Soyuz MS " will full-time rescue ship

I’ll ask you to pay attention, dear slipped, to a rather amusing tablet, given already in the comments = you are here =. I always was interested in, and who invented it? Agree, it is pretty accurate. Imagine that someone decides to draw up the same tablet according to the promises of Mr. Rogozin, what will be there? Irtysh, Angara, Soyuz-5, Yenisei, the base on the moon with the extraction of Helium-3 ... if someone draws up a similar, no doubt caustic tablet, it will be transformed once every two or three months.
What you have written suggests an uncertainty bordering on fiction. What we are witnessing now, in this thread of discussion of the news - the prevailing facts. The dragon will fly with people sooner or later, with problems, with accidents, with rocket steps that missed the receiving platform ... it doesn't matter. But “Yenisei” with “Irtysh” is already doubtful. Although the rocket-shaped building announced by Mr. Rogozin is likely to be. Do you understand the difference?

[slipped]

Quote: Vladimir_R

is creation of the Irtysh rocket

What surprises you? The rocket will make its first flight in 2022-2023.

Quote: Vladimir_R

"Soyuz MS" will full-time rescue ship

He is the regular "rescue ship" for the ISS by agreement. US commercial ships will probably carry astronauts on short-term flights, but they are not "rescue ships" for the station's crew. And the station's crew, I remind you, is six people.

Quote: Vladimir_R

I’ll ask you to pay attention, dear slipped, to a rather amusing tablet, given already in the comments = you are here =. I always was interested in, and who invented it? Agree, it is pretty accurate.

No, not accurate. It lacks only the crossed out promises of what Musk has already refused.

Quote: Vladimir_R

Imagine that someone decides to draw up the same tablet according to the promises of Mr. Rogozin, what will be there? Irtysh, Angara, Soyuz-5, Yenisei, the base on the moon with the extraction of Helium-3 ... if someone draws up a similar, no doubt caustic tablet, it will be transformed once every two or three months.

What will it be transformed in your mind into? The Irtysh launch vehicle (aka Soyuz-5) is launched in 2022 (the deadline is 2023) and this has been known for two years. The Angara-A5 LV has another test launch for the military this year.

Quote: Vladimir_R

But “Yenisei” with “Irtysh” is already doubtful. Although the rocket-shaped building announced by Mr. Rogozin is likely to be. Do you understand the difference?

No, I don’t understand, because unlike you, I’m aware of the extensive work on the Irtysh.

[Tomcat]

The process has been going on for decades and the end of the region is not visible!

[Madjestik85]

Congratulations to Ilon, respect to the SpaceX techies. In the end, Dragon is still the only ship that can deliver cargo to the ISS or return it back to Earth.

[76rtbr]

yes, there was a time, we walked on the moon more than once, but now the doll was sent to Earth’s orbit somehow, or were we deceived ???

[KaPToC]

Quote: 76rtbr

yes, there was a time, we walked on the moon more than once, but now the doll was sent to Earth’s orbit somehow, or were we deceived ???

Deceived, do not hesitate, right now the real manned space program of the USA begins.

[Vadim237]

Well, of course, but Apollonov means there was no connection with the Union in 1975 and there were no 135 Shuttle flights - everything was filmed in Hollywood and with the participation of Mosfilm

All the drawings.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Vadim237

and Apollonov means there was no connection to the Union in 1975

I don’t know, I was not present.

Quote: Vadim237

135 shuttle flights were not

Yes, let him fly, who forbids them.

Quote: Vadim237

all filmed in Hollywood and with the participation of Mosfilm

You know, but hygiene is very important, you need to wash your ears in the morning, but for you I will repeat, since you are so dull. Claims to the Americans that they shot in Hollywood tried to pass off as original - that is, fell for lies. Neither Russia nor China did this, the original shooting separately, Mosfilm separately.
so let’s wash your ears, wipe your eyes - so I don’t have to repeat myself.

[Vadim237]

"They tried to pass off the shots filmed in Hollywood as original - that is, they fell for a lie." Show the evidence, otherwise you will be a liar - the strategy "They are, but I will not show them to you" - It will not work.

[Setrac]

Quote: Vadim237

Show evidence

They themselves admitted that they took part of the filming in the pavilion, themselves, what other proof do you need?
CHECKER RECOGNITION

[KaPToC]

Quote: Vadim237

Show evidence, otherwise you will be a liar

Sorry, you didn’t guess here, you need to prove the theory (flight to the moon) and not its absence.
In any case, the video proves nothing but the skill of the film crew.
The Americans did not fly to the moon because they did not have the technology for this, if not now, then it didn’t exist then.

[dima314]

Well, everything is in a spiral: at the beginning of the dog, then people, but in the age of robots a doll .. and then people). Although nothing happened here from the point of view of achievements and the transport ship was taught to carry people, although the cargoes are still the same. If this were India or Brazil committed, then yes, but to Amers this may not be noticed at all, a long-passed stage. Today docked and again joy, as for the first time)

[Aleksandr21]

There is an important point, fundamentally, of course, nothing new has been done, BUT this is an achievement from the point of view of the private cosmonautics, how long have private traders been able to launch and return cargoes into orbit? or occupy some niche in the PC? I’m almost sure that the Dragon in this or the next one will already start regular flights with people on board, about 20-40 years old, that it would not be the state that would do this, but private traders probably wouldn’t have any idea ..... of course NASA certainly helps view of Technology Mask, he talked about at a press conference, but still the success of the company and SpaceX engineers is very great, in Russia this option will not work with private owners: they will allocate money - cut it - the result will be 0.

[dima314]

I don’t know what and how to drive in Russia, but everything depends on the authorities. If the conditions of the tender are reasonable and in the future looming orders are delicious, then in Russia ships will be built with the allocated money. When the customer needs to throw 3 tons of cargo into space, then what difference does it make who is lucky, private trader or government agency. Although in my experience, for example, private energy companies are much more selfish about consumers than government agencies. I see no progress here except saving the budget and then if they spend it correctly. In addition, Musk and not only he has unlimited access to scientific developments owned by NASA. Such frisky successes lie at the basis of the fact that he does not spend on R&D, but only uses the best practices. In Russia, everything is very simple: for 20 years no one has been engaged in space exploration, but now ... it seems that they have not begun to do it. And from the point of view of the state, the most profitable Musk is Lavrenty Pavlovich: quickly and very inexpensively.

[Vadim237]

In the 2024th there will be a really new stage in the development of astronautics - and this will again be done by Spaceics.

[pafegosoff]

Yes, the Pentagon, the CIA and the NSA have invested heavily in Musk. The creators of "Minutemans" and "Pershing" work at the firm, their Berias draw secrets from Russia. Dnepropetrovsk and Russian defectors forge engines.
And it’s clear that Mars is poppycock and an enthusiastic journey through ears with ears, the goal is to militarize the outer space, creating a tenfold advantage over other space countries.

[donavi49]

I cited information on this particular program CCtCap (orbital manned spacecraft), the 2 finalists were selected, then in September they divided the money volume on the basis of projects:
4,2 Billion in Boeing Starliner - beginning of financing 2015 year
2,6 billion in SpaceX Crew Dragon - beginning of financing 2015 year

There is also Sierra Nevada - she went to court and spoiled many nerves, because they were not very honestly kicked out of this program. But then they took it to another one and their shuttle was actively doing 1,5 billion from NASA under a special program. In 21 year flight.

And this is even if you forget the Vulcan from ULA - which is a priority for "government" structures, since traditionally ULA lobbies itself perfectly for all sorts of Air Force / NASA / geographical services and other government orders.

[dima314]

I think this is a sight on the moon, otherwise why bother the bus again? If now the ISS has nothing to do with the people, then if you bring not 3, but 7 cosmonauts, what will they do there? Piloted astronautics, an increasingly image-oriented niche than practically useful. Although if a 7-star hotel module is adjusted to the ISS and tourists are accommodated there, then there may very well be a consumer for the price of 100 million greens to fly and take selfies)

[donavi49]

There are options for an orbital hotel - Bigello is working on it now. Their module is already on the ISS. They are developing inflatable modules for various purposes, and the lunar station will also be on their modules.

[dima314]

I looked in the web for what the Jewish jumping moon rover was doing and read its purpose. "Earlier it was reported that Beresheet will also carry an Old Testament capsule in Hebrew, recorded on a coin-sized medium." - I wonder why all this? Or in 50 years, they will learn to fly there simply and will the Jews bring this covenant back and sell it dearly?). Okay, the first who reached the Moon threw a pennant to mark that they were the first there, and the covenant is in Hebrew, why and to whom?). In short, a strange thing Space, or rather strangely understand this matter: who sends used cars, who do not understand to whom, you can see a lot of money in people and little imagination)

[donavi49]

Docked. Now the next stage is the reception of sweets, cuddle Ripley and return to earth. In fact, 1 a serious stage - the return to the land remained.

[donavi49]

The crew, the first manned Mission, could very well become the first Americans to be delivered to the American system since the departure of the Shuttle. Furnishing a Boeing.

[donavi49]

Boeing flies in April (most likely without transfers, because the competitor is leaving). If everything is ok, then in the summer (realistic autumn), these fly on Starliner.

5 astronaut program on American ships in 2019.

[NordUral]

Some have deeds, while others have verbal diarrhea! I am ashamed of those who created the Soviet space project!

[Vadim237]

It was necessary to deal with "Spiral" "M 19" and "Tu 2000" to the end - and not close everything at once to please Buran.

[NordUral]

33 +, Vadim! What the Union has not done, the States are now doing a new technological round, and very actively. No matter how the Cosmos is closed for us in general.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Vadim237

It was necessary to deal with "Spiral" "M 19" and "Tu 2000"

We had to deal with atomic aircraft, now we would fly all over the solar system.

[georggy]

Rogozin and Co. quietly smoke on the sidelines ......................

[mc1aren]

the last nail is driven into the coffin lid! ..

[Dazdranagon]

Rogozin, where is your trampoline?

[Puss in Boots]

And most of all in the comments by the Kluchos, whose companion with a name similar to the obscene word rots in Russia in a warehouse.

[slipped]

And minus everything connected with Russia, on March 14 we have the launch of astronauts, since for them all as a sickle in one place it