Ukraine and Belarus. State and Propaganda

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On the one hand, everything is quite simple, on the other - quite interesting. Namely, the analysis of the genesis of the Ukrainian and Belarusian proud nations. It is strange in general that it is somehow not noticed or ignored. But if you approach without prejudice, the first thing that catches your eye is the complete artificiality and even the tension of this very process. A kind of growing anti-Russian "broilers." A kind of "Russophobia poultry factory." After all, the thing is what? In a natural way, this “process” would have gone much longer and much more ambiguous.





At times longer, if not an order of magnitude. I mean the process of alienation of the former Slavic union republics. Because relations within the framework of the USSR were very, very good, and “gaining independence” theoretically should have removed some complexes and offenses about the lack of sovereignty. In fact, after 1991, Belarus and Ukraine are independent states, if someone does not understand. And the collapse was bloodless! And what insults can be? What are such complexes?

That is purely theoretical - the relationship had to be very good for a long time (and it was hoped for in Russia). But it did not work out. In fact, in Minsk and Kiev, the flywheel of anti-Russian propaganda immediately began to unwind. That is, it did not start later, it began. at once. That is, right away. New republics had something to do: the economy, energy, the budget and the state system. We should not forget that in 1991 ended not only the USSR, but also socialism as a whole.

That is, both the leaders in Kiev and the leaders in Minsk had a long and difficult job to transfer the new country to new rails. If anyone understands - serious work for decades. This, by the way, was the main task in Russia for the 20 years after the USSR. Somehow, it was necessary to “settle” the country more or less after the sudden collapse of the social system. The trouble was that neither the economy as a system, nor the economy as a science were ready for such an unexpected turn. Least of all were Soviet citizens accustomed to poor but stable socialism ready for such upheavals.

Therefore, a certain danger of the Russian “expansion” to the territory of Belarus and Ukraine after 1991, looked like a blatant game: it wasn’t before. A much more prosperous and well-fed FRG, at the height of the Soviet era, was joined by the GDR, which had one quarter of the population of western Germany. Moreover, this very East German population wanted unification. And yet, you know - nothing came of it. An attempt to "annex" Ukraine, whose population is one third of the Russian, in 90-s would look like a very ridiculous fantasy.

If you just think about it calmly, estimate it on your fingers and compare it with the German experience, then the complete delusionalness of this idea comes through by itself. It was impossible, because it was impossible. Russia had no money for its regions, and Russia itself was openly hawking. What is the "annexation"? What are you talking about? If we are to fight, then it was necessary to fight within the framework of the USSR. To allow disintegration, and then to throw himself "to reunite everything" is an utter nonsense. And having lived for years 10 in a state of sovereignty, Ukraine became already “another country”.

That is, only very naive people could argue about some kind of “invasion of Ukraine” and some kind of “annexation”. Practically the same was true for RB. Problems with the "reunion" would be mass. Political, legal and above all financial. Any person who at least a little imagines what a state is and what it is eaten with will not allow to lie. The state, oddly enough, is a rather fragile structure. An attempt to add economically weak and pro-Western territories nothing good would have brought Russia (I already about zero years).

Therefore, all these beautiful myths about the fact that Ukraine and Belarus after the collapse of the USSR were forced to "fight and resist" look convincing for a person who is not familiar with the realities of Russian 90's. And after living for years 10 in a state of "sovereignty", the population of these powers was already accustomed to such a situation, and "turning the stuffing back" became almost completely impossible. That is, the main tasks of the newly formed state formations became the very state construction.

The task is not for one generation. Serious, long-playing task. Years on 50. I would say: a strategic task. Unfortunately, neither in Minsk nor in Kiev did not understand this. About Ukraine, with its constant, growing shoals in all areas, as if most had heard. And about the "special type of thinking", too. But, oddly enough, in pseudosocial Belarus, thinking is also very specific. The people literally didn’t see quite obvious government tasks in the energy sector, macroeconomics, and the army. It is not interesting to anyone especially ...

That is, the trouble of both Ukraine and Belarus is that they have not been involved in particularly state construction since 1991. That is why, for all the dissimilarity of the device models of the Ukrainian and Belarusian societies, the 10-s crisis hit them almost simultaneously. The Soviet resource turned out to be eaten, and the world financial crisis was raging on the planet. It is very interesting how the same Ukraine would have survived without “Russian aggression”! ..

Well, here the question arises: what, strictly speaking, have they been engaged in all these years? They did a lot of interesting things, but in the field of state. politicians and there and there was a bet on the line: the countryname is not Russia. At the same time, two problems were solved as if in aggregate. In foreign policy, “protection against annexation” was achieved, while in internal politics, all inevitable negative was redirected towards Russia. Well, a nice psychological bonus "we spit in the face of the empire" was present.

I say: these gentlemen acted in a very curved universe. For some reason, they by default assumed that a) they already have a state (the Ukrainians didn’t even bother to demarcate the borders); b) the main and only threat to them is Russia; c) The West - it is rich, kind and generous (Milosevic will not let you lie!); d) to adjust the work of the national economy in any foreign policy configuration - just spit; d) how ugly to behave in relation to Russia, it will still help.

That is, the very crisis in Kiev and Minsk is not exactly an “accident”, it was “programmed” from the very beginning of “non-core”. That is, in Russia, all these years they were engaged in several one, but in Belarus and Ukraine - a little different. In Russia, at the exit, we have VKS and Su-57, in Ukraine - the “heavenly hundred” and the Cossack Gavrilyuk, in Belarus - the agro-towns and “dressed in embroidery and coming close to NATO” Mr. Makei. As they say, who on what studied.

Once again: energy, for example, is the basis of modern society, but no one in Kiev or in Minsk has ever tried to deal with it all these years. The same goes for the army: in 2014, it was discovered that Ukraine has no army. In Belarus, it became clear a little earlier. But it was not interesting to anyone - "non-trump" topics. The same is true for all economies: just at the end of the “zero” at the beginning of the “tenths” it became obvious that in this sphere there is a gulf between Russia and two close neighbors from the west.

By the way, this was one of the reasons for the hatred (jealousy!) Of Russia both there and there. That is, it turns out that the Russians succeeded, but they did not? "Abydna", you know. No, neither Ukrainian nor Belarusian politicians of this never do not recognize. Fundamentally. I have never met a simple and obvious thought with Ukrainian or Belarusian journalists / commentators: we screwed up, and in Russia things are going smoothly. Crowds of Ukrainians and Belarusians all these years have been stretching to Russia for work, but Poland (for those and for others!) Is yes! Poland is a lighthouse and a flagship! And Russia is an empty place. And this is also the result of state propaganda.

That is, if we want to see new cities, factories, technologies, scientific discoveries, cultural breakthroughs in Ukraine or in Belarus, we will not see any of this. Because it is not. I say, as a result of many years of latent work, it suddenly turned out that Russia has a new army, at about the same time, as a result of many years of latent work, Ukraine showed the world “Maidan-2” and “heavenly hundred”. Russia showed the city and the world "Armatu" and Su-57, Ukraine - "a tank of garbage cans" and a "starfall" of "litak."

Instead of doing the same state-building, both in Minsk and Kiev were engaged in something obscene, namely nationalist propaganda. And this is where very serious results have been achieved. We admit honestly: both there and there the level and quality of life did not come close to Soviet standards either in the 90 or in the 00. The people lived poorer than at the "scoop" (about Russia, I somehow separately). But if propaganda in the USSR completely failed by the 80 years (that is, no one believed in it), then propaganda worked in Belarus and Ukraine.

Amazing isn't it? The USSR was a superpower of planetary scale, with a quite obvious set of outstanding achievements. In the USSR, in the end, a simple person could “not do a damn thing” and live a good and carefree life (this topic is very close to the author for personal reasons). Neither Ukraine nor Belarus could provide their citizens with anything like that even close: neither “statehood”, nor “bread and butter”. But in the field of propaganda success was obvious. Notice, the questions that are inconvenient for the authorities “Why does the standard of living in Russia exceed?” No one asks. Uninteresting, apparently.

That is, those of our citizens who rather naively try (tried) to discuss something there with the citizens of Ukraine and Belarus do not understand the main thing: discussion of this kind is of little use (impossible). “Why is that?” You ask. The reason is precisely this: the construction of a “sovereign state” in both Minsk and Kiev was proceeding, rather, in the “virtual sphere” of propaganda. That is, 25 was simply explained to people for years that Russians are very bad. That's all "state building".

If you look closely, it is impossible to find any “serious” breakthroughs either in the energy sector, or in logistics, or in industry, or in science. Nowhere. People of 25 have been doing pure propaganda for years, eating everything that can be passed on (Soviet legacy and loans). Then the most natural way comes the "Doomsday". And in Belarus, and in Ukraine. If anyone does not remember, then just at the beginning of the 2000s, both Ukraine and Belarus looked quite cheerful and quite good. That was, that was.

But at the end of zero the situation for them "turned around." Both in Kiev and Minsk, serious problems emerged in the field of economics, energy, industry and state. management. It must be said that they did not even try to solve the problem either there or there: they decided to “freeze everything” in Minsk, and “Maidan” number two passed in Kiev ... But again and again: this is the result of development Internal, precisely internal processes.

Russia had the most indirect relation to them. But neither the official authorities of Belarus, nor the official authorities of Ukraine are categorically not ready to admit that their country was a failed state. Therefore, the flywheel of state propaganda unwinds to its fullest. Instead of hard and unpleasant questions on finance, energy, trade balance, utility bills, etc. A very "trump" theme of Russian aggression is being discussed.

That is, the key is not searched where it is lost, but where it is lighter. For many Russians, the convergence of regimes in Kiev and Minsk is categorically incomprehensible, but for all the apparent dissimilarity there is nothing surprising here: the base of them is completely identical. These are two nationalist, authoritarian Russophobic regimes. And in Kiev and Minsk. And it brings them very seriously.

In principle, oddly enough, the mass consciousness is quite “programmable” for itself. In both Belarus and Ukraine, people were almost 30 years old inspired: the main thing is independence, Russia is the enemy. And even when reality is shattered, the mental hold continues. Everyone knows that at the time of the defeat of the Third Reich (1944-1945), when fronts cracked at the seams, and a stream of bombs rained down on German cities, millions of Germans continued to believe Hitler. No matter what. There, at the end of it, Hitler threw adolescents into battle. The war was obviously lost, the government sends practically children to certain death ... but nobody asks questions. And the thing was not even in fear already. An important role was played, in spite of everything, by Herr Goebbels. He is more important than Herr Himmler. Yes exactly!

In today's Ukraine, everything has collapsed: the economy, energy, finance, and industry. According to some reports, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and the National Bats) have lost more people than the Soviet Army in Afghanistan. But no enlightenment in the minds of the Ukrainians (which naive Russians so expected) does not occur in principle. Our idea of ​​the world around us can be created directly, or it can be served in finished form through newspapers, radio, TV (with the Internet more interesting!).

So, here the “induced” signal can completely score the initial one. In fact, professional propaganda is much more effective than it is customary to think about. For some reason, this topic is not much discussed. For some reason, it is customary to laugh at "propaganda efforts". And all is not as funny as many people think. It’s just that we all know the “Hindu code” of the late USSR, when the state propaganda was frankly marasmic. But usually everything is not so funny.

State propaganda works. Especially with targeted long-term work. The results of which we observe in Ukraine and Belarus. Moreover, truly successful, truly persistent propaganda makes an ordinary person to ignore even quite obvious facts.

“Yes, the Ministry of Abundance did a good job this year,” he said, and nodded with the air of a connoisseur. “By the way, Smith, do you happen to have a free blade?” “None,” said Winston (1984).


That is, “brainwashing people” is not only real - it’s more than real. To a state of immunity to reality itself. It seems to us absolutely unbelievable that, for example, Belarus, which really earns money only in Russia, whose citizens can work and study in Russia, but not in Europe, and for which Europe didn’t do anything good for 30 years of independence, is anti-Russian and pro-European. But propaganda works.

That is, from the point of view of the author, modern Belarus is just an archetypical example of the implementation of the ideas of “1984”. An example of how people can easily and quickly “reflash” their brains. That is exactly the same as they, Russian, "Orthodox Communists" with one historymentality and habits and shortcomings, suddenly become "enemies", but the Poles, and especially the Germans - "friends." Propaganda can do almost everything: at first glance, they can make “Germans” out of a quarter to a third of the population of Belorussia from Germans, and from Russian “enemies” - a task that cannot be solved in principle. But Belarusian propaganda (with the friendly help of Western propaganda), I think, has completely resolved this task.

How can you even determine if the world in which you live is real or is it a clone of the “Matrix”? Well, that's just in the virtual world that usually remain un-smoothed joints, "cracks in reality." This is how convinced communists in the era of publicity began to learn a lot of interesting things for themselves. Some of this became bad. From the realization that the dear and beloved Communist Party has deprived freedom and destroyed the people much morethan the damned royal regime. For the psyche of many, this turned out to be intolerable. Approximately the same reaction from the modern "heirs of the traditions of the partisan region" raises a simple question: why does your country support the SS division "Galicia" against the militia? People literally get hysterical. Nothing unusual: just a collision with a “seam” in “in virtual reality”. Severe clinical case.

That is, they are like partisans and against the fascists, but they are already and, as it were, “Europeans” and against “vatnikov” and “hordes”. And here (when you point out the discrepancy) their tender European psyche begins to go crazy, and they begin to have an “identity crisis”.

That is, the fact that millions of people can be programmed, not even as computers, but as controllers, sounds crazy, but that's exactly how things are. Well, remember the attempts to communicate with people living in Ukraine and Belarus, and besides, they found the USSR. That is, in theory, everything seems to be right, good and great ... but for some reason, as a result of the development of a logical chain, they come to exactly the opposite conclusions.

This is just a sign of a very effective propaganda: the connection with reality is almost completely turned off, and a person is immersed in the virtual world. And there is no science fiction, and no cyberpunk here and close as we know, as early as in 70-e - 80-e in the industrialized countries such a disease has developed: dependence on the TV. "Little people" literally all free time stared at the blue television screens like sheep at a new gate. Is the majority of Homo sapiens reasonable? In 80-e and 90-e appeared dependency on computer games. In 90 and 00, dependence on the Internet. In 00, 10, is a dependency on mobile Internet and social networks. That is, de facto Mr. Zuckerberg “riveted” large mobile virtual “new gates”, no more and no less. New gates on a new technological basis, they say, comrades rams, do not crowd, go through one by one, put likes, make reposts. Again and again: the “rationality” of Homo sapiens is very, very exaggerated.

If it were a pure theory, then it would have been long and difficult to explain all this (the reprogramming process). But the presence of a number of Ukraine and Belarus (the former BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR) makes the process simple and intuitive. When people, who in real life received everything from Russia (from industry to territory) and received nothing from the West (nothing but virtual pictures at all), with fury “oppose a horde” - this is something with something.

In fact, according to the logic of events, today the standard of living and payment of utilities in Ukraine is a problem for the USA and Brussels, as it was a problem for Moscow before 1991. If “for garlic”, then this is exactly the case. But "just so" in Ukraine, no one argues. From their "point of view", Russia should: return the Crimea and Donbass, buy Ukrainian goods duty free, supply cheap gas to Ukraine, pay for transit and refuse bypass gas pipelines. Still, Russia will be bad, and the West will be good. Is it schizophrenia? No, this is the "Matrix."

Human society is completely programmable - and here in Ukraine we are lucky enough to see the result. "Home methods" is not treated. By the way, before the “Maidan-2” in Russia, the forces of Internet activists formulated the “Ukrainian maxim”: “Neighbor, give me food, otherwise there is nothing for you to spoil under the door”. Then it turned out that this was not a joke at all. Ukrainians are sincerely convinced that Russians should be hanged, while Russia is obliged to contain Ukraine. The program is so elaborate.

Well, in Ukraine everything has already happened and everything is already clear, but in Belarus this “virtual insanity” actively continues to take place. Instead of taking at least some reasonable lessons from the example of neighboring Lithuania, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarusians are actively discussing what they are European and independent ... The question of paying bills for gas, however, is practically not interesting for them (Russia is obliged!). Today, Belarus is not able to pay gas bills (at a discount!). What will happen when these accounts are on the Ukrainian level? And they will be - as a consequence of the anti-Russian policy of Minsk. And there will be a humanitarian disaster (like in Ukraine).

That is, the basic instincts (eating and going to the toilet) still seem to work, but the higher nervous activity is taken under external control. The result is amazing. People lead an absolutely unnecessary civil war to them, pay ten times more for gas, but this does not cause serious questions. I understand: to consider human society as a programmable network is quite cynical, and yet. The level of external control over consciousness is such that “humans” are not even able to take care of their most pressing interests and security of themselves and their loved ones.

The idea, by the way, is not mine: attentive observers of the Ukrainian events have noted this for a long time, I just tried to develop it. The trouble of this propaganda in what? The first is to begin the process simply, but it is impossible to stop (from a certain moment), it is like burning wood in the stove. The fire becomes self-sustaining and growing (scientifically it is an exothermic reaction). Those. At first, Russophobic ideas were introduced, for example, in the Republic of Belarus, quite centrally, but from a certain stage the process gained momentum and became uncontrollable. And he went on increasing, and it became impossible to “hide” him. Secondly, such competent propaganda sooner or later poisons the consciousness of the authorities themselves, its leaders. They "begin to use their goods" and cease to objectively evaluate the realities.

Any adequate outside observer of the actions of the Belarusian political elite in the past ten years may get the impression that the cuckoo has flown away at the comrades. In the EU and the USA, they remain the illegitimate representatives of the dictatorial regime. And nothing has changed, and no one “forgave” them. They are waiting for the fate of Milosevic, if someone does not understand. But they are actively “moving closer to the West” and defiantly spitting on Russia. Here it is no longer a matter of morality, but of adequacy. In the sense of preserving your own skin. Russia saved Abashidze, Shevardnadze, Yanukovich. With that, none of them was 100-percent pro-Russian.

The United States erased Mubarak into the camp dust, which 30 has served them for years as a faithful dog. And the conscience does not torment them. Sarkozy bombed and destroyed Libya and Gaddafi himself (who financed his election campaign). But propaganda, which was conducted for decades in Belarus and Ukraine, also affects the propagandists themselves (their owners). And they begin to believe in this nonsense. Because it is convenient. When the “parasites” rebelled, their beloved president fled not to Qatar and not to China, but for some reason to Sochi (a fact which is pointedly ignored by belpro-propaganda!). And, by the way, “a rescued private soldier Yanukovych” somehow has not yet said thanks to Russia (apparently, it still cannot come to its senses). That is, even if the very propaganda has the most serious impact on the first persons of the state, then what do you want from ordinary citizens?

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  1. +4
    3 March 2019 06: 16
    He mastered the article ... Propaganda is stronger than a pistol!
    1. +9
      3 March 2019 06: 54
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      . Propaganda is stronger than a gun!

      If we don’t like the information, this is propaganda. If we like the information, this is the information.
      Marvin Kalb: Have a nice Sunday! hi
      1. +5
        3 March 2019 09: 06
        Quote: Destiny
        If we don’t like the information, this is propaganda. If we like the information, this is the information.

        Taking off my hat! hi Do you know how you can answer the slogan "Ukraine is not Russia"? Simply - and who ??? Well, yes, Ukraine agreed ... Agreed on the part of Ukraine without Donbass. Let the rest of Ukraine talk some more. We will see. But when Lukashenka broadcasts about some special value - his sovereignty, honestly, I really want to ask - dear, do you feel good?
        1. +3
          3 March 2019 11: 35
          And already this is invented.
          Ukraine tse Europe, an outpost of the struggle of the EU and NATO against universal evil (against the Russian Federation)
          And thanks to the very propaganda, aluminine-headed horses sing these terms like a mantra.
      2. +7
        3 March 2019 13: 34
        Recently, Lukashenko himself spoke about the true independence of Belarus: NATA arrived and said - well, don’t recognize Abkhazia, I’ll punish you! And sovereignty ended!
        True, he himself still has not understood that his independence is an empty fiction and there is simply nothing to measure with Russia! In Russia, this Solano was afraid to meddle, and Lukashenko lowered easily and naturally. Alas.
    2. +12
      3 March 2019 13: 06
      Not so simple. A country is always elites. Is always. Soldiers without an officer are just helpless meat. request Whatever the officer leads them to, everyone will go there. The elites of Ukraine and Belarus are Russian separatists. The local princes simply decided to carve out specific princedoms for themselves. And the main threat to all post-Soviet elites is the threat of joining Russia. Not poverty, not NATO, not economics. And the stronger Russia is, the greater will be their fears. What at some point the population will ask - why do we need such independence? If in Belarus and Ukraine the same Russian people live as in the Russian Federation? But if there live independent separate nations, which the evil Muscovites have always offended, then another thing. Like we got rid of the yoke and so on. Hence the propaganda, inventing their own languages ​​based on local dialects, creating their own history, etc.
      The main problem is that neither in Ukraine, nor in Belarus. no Moldova has ever had pro-Russian forces. They stupidly crushed. But there were forces speculating on pro-Russian moods. An attempt to create such a force will immediately meet the tantrum of local elites and their rush to the western camp. request
      In principle, the best thing is now in our Ukraine. There is a hotbed of pro-Russian forces, Ukraine can no longer blackmail us, the Ukrainian elites have openly identified themselves as enemies of the Russian Federation and they no longer have to be cajoled. You can calmly and systematically crush a hostile country without snot and moaning. request
      1. +7
        3 March 2019 17: 53
        . And the stronger Russia is, the greater will be their fears. What at some point the population will ask - why do we need such independence? If the same Russian people live in the Republic of Belarus and in Ukraine as in the Russian Federation?


        Note: today, not like in Ukraine, even in Belarus, no one asks such "stupid" questions.
        Frankly speaking, I was surprised when our people came to Syria with airplanes and helicopters and started driving the slippers around the desert - and so there were no positive emotions in the Republic of Belarus - like Russians are not worse than the Yankees - this did not cause ...
        Not at all.
        The same applies, for example, to all sorts of Su-57 and Poseidons.
        Positive reaction - zero
        Only negative
        But America is cool! - you meet constantly
        That is, everything from the president to the hamburger in America is super
        In Russia, everything sucks.
        1. +3
          4 March 2019 18: 33
          And we had the same thing 15 years ago. It was impossible to meet a person with a Russian flag on a cap or a T-shirt - everyone went with American or German. And the fact that patriotism is in fashion now, and the Russian flag on clothes is ubiquitous - this did not itself arise. This is 15 years of smart propaganda. In Belarus, we will not be given such propaganda. Local elites simply crush her. All local media are under control. The Russians are not much allowed to work in Belarus. Do you want to write about Lukashenko’s successes, problems of the Russian Federation and the economy of Belarus? Write. About the problems of Belarus or domestic politics? To the exit. request
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  2. +11
    3 March 2019 06: 57
    Everything is correctly written, but in reality it is still worse. It is not said how the Russian authorities condoned this. And they continue to do so.
    1. +8
      3 March 2019 09: 13
      Wow, what a wise guy! The Russian authorities connived ?! Russia survived! Survived! And why didn’t Russia help Ukraine and Belarus? Is the question funny? NESHMAGLI because dependents and their only natural extension of existence are simply joining Russia. It is advisable to quietly and without yelling - hey Russia, do us well! I will repeat with Ukraine - from the beginning of the Donbass we will see there.
      1. +6
        3 March 2019 23: 33
        Yes, unlike you - smart guy. Match the facts, screamer. I spoke about the Russian government, not about Russia, and these are two big differences. Secondly, all the RB wishes were satisfied, all trade wars were lost, despite Minsk's frank Russophobia. Minsk has never been "tilted", here they say that the Lilliputians do not have the same weight category that Russia needs Belarus more than Belarus needs Russia, otherwise there would be no preferences, and even those only a modest compensation for the role that Belarus plays in the defense of the western borders of the Union State, etc. There are a lot of textures in the network, don't be lazy.
        1. 0
          6 March 2019 12: 54
          So with your family, give up pensions and benefits with the slogan: "For brothers"! Show an example.
    2. -2
      3 March 2019 09: 49
      Quote: likana
      It is not said how the Russian authorities condoned this.

      Well, I don’t think that you are still being led hand in hand to places of natural need. So it is with them, but an additional turn. wink
    3. -1
      3 March 2019 09: 57
      They did a lot. But not everything is possible. Is it possible to blame for this, because their main task is to equip their country?
  3. +13
    3 March 2019 07: 46
    But they themselves are to blame for this! After the collapse of the USSR, relations with the republics, or now "states" were built not on the principles of friendship and equal partnership, but on feeding Russian petrodollars to individuals in power, or near it, in one or another quasi-country! Everywhere there was one and the same - total milking of Russia! As soon as the West joined the game, and began to feed the nationalists by hand, pushing them into power, our methods of "friendship" turned out to be completely ineffective! For our government "was friends" only with this or that clan, in this or that former Soviet republic, forgetting that there is also a people there, including our compatriots abandoned to the mercy of fate! So they received spitting in response from all sides. ..
    1. 0
      3 March 2019 12: 27
      Oh oh oh! Is the Russian government to blame again? Or maybe another power? The one who invented all these "nationalities, languages ​​and peoples"?
  4. -1
    3 March 2019 08: 12
    Everything written about Belarus is crap. We have 5 Russian TV channels out of 4. Tonight I’ll look at Kiselyov - I’ll tell you something Russophobic)
    1. +9
      3 March 2019 08: 19
      You won’t believe it, but we have a lot of Russian channels in Russia! But, they need to be watched only in the form of punishment - by the verdict of the court! For there they carry such a beleber — it is scary to watch and listen! I personally watch a retro movie — otherwise I would have thrown the TV out of frustration a long time ago! !!
      1. -2
        3 March 2019 09: 05
        Most of the Russian TV channels "cheat" the so-called. the elite, which in turn "grunts" and yelps to partners. Sometimes I watch the Belarusian TV channel "Belorus 24". There is no grunting.
        1. +1
          3 March 2019 09: 56
          Quote: k174un7
          No grunting is heard there.

          Likely the Russian bear stepped on an ear. laughing
          Your radiator is hanging on the microcircuit, otherwise overheating affects all your parameters. wink
        2. +6
          3 March 2019 10: 10
          Quote: k174un7
          Sometimes I watch the Belarusian TV channel "Belorus 24". There is no grunting.

          I'm afraid we have yet to hear that. In Ukraine, masks were torn off precisely because of the termination of the duty-free transit corridor through and into Russia.
      2. +3
        3 March 2019 11: 20
        Quote: Thrifty
        I personally watch a retro movie — otherwise I would have thrown the TV out of frustration a long time ago! !!

        Watch the "Dom Kino" channel on "Tricolor", there is only retro, personally in my kitchen only he works, and so I download what I like and watch, or popular science channels, it is simply not possible to watch the other.
    2. +5
      3 March 2019 09: 16
      See Ren TV)))) the horizons of your consciousness are incredibly wide)))) Where is Carlos Castaneda with his calico.
      1. +7
        3 March 2019 10: 58
        Ren TV is vech! About neighing. Absolutely free cannabinoid substitute.
        1. 0
          3 March 2019 11: 22
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Ren TV is vech! About neighing. Absolutely free cannabinoid substitute.

          But in the early 2000s there was absolutely wow, in terms of analytics, then it was sold and it became what became.
        2. +1
          3 March 2019 11: 27
          When I saw Ren TV for the first time in a new format, I was surprised. how so, to transmit this all day, I thought, maybe the thematic day is like this, Prokopenko drives, and the next day it’s exactly the same and I fell into CD !!
          1. +3
            3 March 2019 12: 29
            Quote: Lamatinets
            When I saw Ren TV for the first time in a new format, I was surprised. how so, to transmit this all day, I thought, maybe the thematic day is like this, Prokopenko drives, and the next day it’s exactly the same and I fell into CD !!

            It seems like fans of everything unusual and mystical appeared here, although if you look and believe VGTRK, then why be surprised. By the way, Prokopenko was not bad, on the old Ren TV, and now generally heaven and earth. So loot defeats evil.
            1. +1
              3 March 2019 12: 41
              So I previously watched Pen TV only because of Prokopenko - Military Secret and Maximovskaya.
      2. +6
        3 March 2019 11: 44
        Yes, they have fun there
    3. +2
      3 March 2019 11: 17
      Quote: alexa100974
      Tonight I’ll look at Kiselyov - I’ll tell you something Russophobic)

      But it’s better not to watch it.
    4. -3
      3 March 2019 12: 28
      Quote: alexa100974
      Everything written about Belarus is crap.

      Below I answered your fellow countryman what a mess! Have a look.
    5. +1
      3 March 2019 17: 30
      Once I watched the Cold War series on the TRO channel in Minsk - I really liked it.
      Is this channel alive now?
    6. +2
      4 March 2019 02: 24
      You yourself have confirmed the correctness of the article: look Russian and you hate it.
  5. +8
    3 March 2019 08: 22
    Nothing .... lost reading time.
    The author does not own the question at all .... In Belarus, Russia is considered a very small percentage of the enemy ... underdeveloped .... ethnic Poles and Khokhlov, and those who were inspired in the 90s by the popular front. 99,9% of the population speak and think Russian.
    1. +10
      3 March 2019 08: 33
      This is what you think. I also thought just a few years ago that in Ukraine, Russia considers the enemy a very small percentage. Underdeveloped. But it turned out that it seemed.
      1. +3
        3 March 2019 08: 39
        Zapadentsy is like a cancerous tumor, and here we have ... a couple of acne.
        1. +7
          3 March 2019 12: 23
          Quote: Soviet Union
          Zapadentsy is like a cancerous tumor, and here we have ... a couple of acne.

          What are you? Is everything so good? Did you hold the textbook History of Belarus in your hands? Hold on. You will learn that the territory of modern Belarus is all Lithuania, and the Belarusians are Lithuanians. ON is generally a Belarusian state. Kalinovsky and Kosciuszko are rebels, and you have heroes. Belarus in the Russian Empire is a continuous oppression. Russians destroyed the Belarusian language - like that. Do you know such a writer Orlov? Popular ... Russophobe to the core. He writes about how Russians have been killing Belarusians from time immemorial. Yes, what is there ... One Belarusian Internet is worth something. Westerners simply privatized it - Charter 97, Belarusian partisan, etc. You also have such a disgusting rag "New Hour" quietly coming out. Honor your ears will fade. You will learn about such outstanding people and their heroic struggle against Russia as Basayev, Gelayev, Yandarbiev ... And to heighten understanding of Belarusian normality, watch Polish satellite TV broadcasting in Belarus!
          1. +2
            4 March 2019 08: 16
            There are such and such figures. But as they say .. sabaka barks the wind wears ...
            For political reasons, people do not take to the streets, and if they go out on social issues and suddenly a political garlopan appears nearby, they leave. The press and sites are .. thanks to grants and exist from outside .... not native. Belarus as a state never existed until 1918, and what was happening on these lands.,. Heroes of past years .. well, at least some .... nothing to be proud of but I want to. Unlike Russia, Poland and Lithuania are interested in creating troubled water, although the Poles, from sea to sea, and the labuses all left to wash dishes in England and Ireland .... there’s no one to work and live for, and Russia has a great desire. The Russians need to have their property here ... then they will be treated as their own!
            Yes, and it is necessary to carry out activities, everyone knows for Kurapaty, but almost no one knows what the Poles did on these lands.
  6. 0
    3 March 2019 08: 26
    As always, there are many letters and contradictions to oneself. And the author does not want to look in the mirror as usual.
    “And why is the standard of living in Russia higher?” no one sets. And why, if the answer is obvious. A rich country with the largest territory, huge resources, competent population. Another question is asked: why is the standard of living still so low in Russia? And therefore no one is eager to unite. And propaganda in Russia works better for its own population.
    And in general it is strange to hear that someone had to plan state building and even 50 years in advance. T.N. the elites then and now thought of something else. Ordinary people. And if someone was such a strategist, then the union would not have collapsed.
    1. -6
      3 March 2019 08: 55
      Some kind of article ... Paranoid, or what? ... The author is everywhere Russophobes and nationalists seem. But the number of high-profile letters struck me!
      1. +2
        3 March 2019 12: 39
        Quote: vasek5533
        As always, there are many letters and contradictions to oneself. And the author does not want to look in the mirror as usual.
        “And why is the standard of living in Russia higher?” no one sets.

        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Some kind of article ... Paranoid, or what? ... The author is everywhere Russophobes and nationalists seem. But the number of high-profile letters struck me!

        Quote: nikvic46
        And the attitude to the Second World War is completely different.

        Quote: alexa100974
        Putting on the same level the present Ukraine and Belarus, the author acts as a cheap provocateur.

        You comrades do not want to face the truth! Apparently because of such illusions in Belarus last year such a wonderful event as the "Immortal Regiment" was not held! Apparently this is why Russia always owes everyone, but who owes something to Russia?
        1. +2
          3 March 2019 12: 53
          I can confirm every word you said Felix. I can only add that this rag was founded by the Association of the Belarusian language named after Francis Skaryna. It is headed by an ardent Russophobe and concurrently parliamentary deputy Elena Anisim. She even expressed gratitude to the authors who heroized the terrorists in the "New Hour". And nothing! But in Belarus pro-Russian authors - Alimkin, Pavlovets, Shiptenko - are being followed.
    2. +2
      3 March 2019 14: 14
      In Russia, the standard of living is VERY high by world standards. Despite the stupid geographical location, problem areas like the Caucasus and heaps of former. "Bratsk people" who, having slipped into feudalism, are now coming here to vengeance courtyards, or even trade in drugs, to outer space, to fundamental science, to an army with huge reserves of nuclear weapons, and this is a very expensive thing.

      "The politician thinks about the next elections, the statesman about the next generations."
  7. +3
    3 March 2019 08: 32
    Now some fake politicians are putting Hitler and Stalin on the same board. And Ukraine and Belarus should not be put on the same board. They have a completely different story. And the attitude to the Great Patriotic War is very different.
    1. -2
      3 March 2019 08: 36
      I agree. Putting on the same level the present Ukraine and Belarus, the author acts as a cheap provocateur.
      1. +2
        3 March 2019 17: 48
        Putting on the same board the present Ukraine and Belarus


        And draw me in Russia principled the difference.
  8. +8
    3 March 2019 08: 37
    Quote: Thrifty
    After the collapse of the USSR, relations with the republics, or now "states" were built not on the principles of friendship and equal partnership, but on feeding Russian petrodollars to individuals in power, or near it, in one or another quasi-country!

    When was it an equal partnership under the USSR, if the RSFSR gave most of its income to the national republics free of charge? There is open data showing how much they invested in the budget of the Union of the Republic and how much they received back. That is why the myth of “eternally drunk Russian bums” persists! The exception, as far as I remember, was Kazakhstan and Belarus - they lived on their own income and gave money to the general budget.
    1. +2
      3 March 2019 13: 03
      Quote: Flame
      The exception, as I recall, was Kazakhstan and Belarus - they lived on their incomes and gave money to the general budget.

      Only Belarus. She and the RSFSR were donors. Everyone else, including Ukraine, subsidized. There is an interesting comparison on the amounts of subsidies. It turned out that the Russians and Belarusians gave back every third ruble they earned. If I am not mistaken about this in detail and with numbers wrote Cheslav. Georgians lived best. Not many Armenians and the Balts lagged behind them. So they really had socialism with a human face. Russians and Belarusians lived the worst. Only Kyrgyz were at the same level.
      1. 0
        5 March 2019 22: 02
        Belarusians lived well in the late USSR. And the cleanliness of the streets from there, by the way. In the RSFSR they lived differently. In Moscow, Leningrad, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, the Rostov Region, a number of closed cities, and in the North, the standard of living was higher than the average for the Union. In Ukraine, by the way, there were also differences in the standard of living of the population of different regions.
  9. +7
    3 March 2019 08: 48
    Oleg Egorov see picture №1

    And now picture number 2

    Oleg, have you ever been to Belarus at least once?
    1. +4
      3 March 2019 13: 05
      You forgot one more picture - look at your profile picture carefully!
      1. +2
        3 March 2019 22: 47
        Quote: Felix Beinarovich
        You forgot one more picture - look at your profile picture carefully!

        Well, what is there on the avatar of Felix Beinarovich?
    2. +6
      3 March 2019 13: 27
      Mr. Egorov is a rare instance of VO - Russophile and Slavophobe in one bottle! Plus, a man with a chic sense of humor, him on these pictures:
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Oleg Egorov see picture number 1, and now picture number 2

      you won’t take it and here’s why: in the first picture, the fifth column exercises its right to freedom of speech (in accordance with Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation) in the second with Petro Oleksiyovich before the Darkest one he looks like he got a deuce in school (But Batskaya’s laughing like May Parasha).
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Oleg, have you ever been to Belarus at least once?

      And this was never a prerequisite for containing the Slavophobic impulses.
      IMHO, something like this Yes
  10. BAI
    +11
    3 March 2019 09: 03
    Sooner or later, Belarus in relations with Russia will come to the current state of affairs, like Ukraine - Russia. Here one can only guess on the topic - when it will happen (and not without the help of Russia, more precisely - thanks to its slurred policy towards Belarus). It has long been known - those who give something for nothing, the recipients despise. Valued only by those who tear 3 skins.
    1. +2
      3 March 2019 17: 46
      It has long been known - those who give something for nothing, the recipients despise. Appreciate only those who pulls 3 skins.


      Well, sort of ... type request
  11. +5
    3 March 2019 09: 14
    the article is not original., but .... basically correct, although the author did not address the issue of historical Polish influence and the location of these territories as part of the Polish state, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the historical memory of this was alive and the seeds of liberal propaganda lay on prepared soil, former Union policy was
    very ineffective, measures to reform the USSR were taken too late, the CPSU completely failed both the national and ideological fronts ... and again the author of the rights of the Russian Federation could not do anything, but continue to cut down on the USSR policy, feed the regimes of the former republics, unfortunately further the outlook for Russian relations with these states is negative ...., the Russian Federation is not an attractive place for ordinary people, unlike the countries of the former socialist camp, the only thing that can work is restoration of socialism in one form or another, but the Russian authorities will not go for it, even at gunpoint.
    1. +2
      3 March 2019 20: 52
      The Russian Federation is not an attractive place for ordinary people, in contrast to the countries of the former socialist camp, the only thing that can work is the restoration of socialism in one form or another, but the Russian authorities will not go for it, even at gunpoint.


      I remember about socialism: there is great poverty in the scoop, but in America 40 varieties are cow-bass and strawberries in 4 in the morning ....
      he is attractive ...
      We have spent more on Belarusian socialism than 100 lard baksiv
      after which we were publicly sent ...


      Give him the restoration of socialism ...
      Daddy has "restored" ...
      1. +1
        3 March 2019 22: 12
        Old Man is an old-school man ...., he doesn’t know how to do it anyway, and he can’t do it, he didn’t spend money on socialism, grandmother sawed Old Man and his comrades, the collective farm past .... everything, and the prices are not socialist, strawberries around the clock, but with gooseberries breaking off ....
  12. +14
    3 March 2019 09: 34
    In stable Belarus, the standard of living is steadily declining. The people scatter. Find skilled workers a problem. For example, the Stadler plant for the production of electric trains near Minsk (Switzerland, products - two-story aeroexpress trains in Domodedovo, Vnukovo, city electric trains) cannot recruit welders. Advertisements hang, salaries from 700 cu And the welders went to Poland, to Germany, where they paid twice as much. All young people look to the West and go there to work and study there, the benefit in Poland is free education. A generation has grown up that has been poisoned by liberal propaganda; it is very difficult to convince them of the opposite. Read, for example, comments about the Immortal Regiment stock on tut.by and you will understand who shares our states. The local state elite is only hiding behind words about friendship and trenches, while it itself lives off the help of the Russian Federation and trades with Ukraine for the benefit of itself.
    1. +2
      3 March 2019 23: 54
      Quite rightly said.
  13. 0
    3 March 2019 09: 43
    In vain they placed such a photo of the Old Man with a roller.
    At least something has been preserved in Belarus. In my jurisdiction in Belarus there were 9 enterprises, about 90 thousand specialists worked. But thanks to Russia, the Vitebsk bodies disappeared. factory, Minsk television factory Horizon, Grodno factory radio and others. And everything will have to be restored. After all, specialists need to work, create families and defend our countries from Europe (remember 1941). Here are 9 countries in Europe have already recognized the danger of a bridge to the Crimea.
    1. -2
      3 March 2019 14: 16
      Did you own the factories? Oh yeah, you have the same socialism.
  14. +1
    3 March 2019 09: 52
    Bullshit.
  15. -2
    3 March 2019 10: 01
    Barely mastered the article. It is written chaotically, everything is mixed in a heap, the author skips from topic to topic. Horror, especially on Sunday morning wassat
    1. +1
      3 March 2019 17: 59
      I am sorry, this was calculated, but the article smacks of good.
  16. +4
    3 March 2019 10: 10
    What a nasty and nasty article. Left a very unpleasant impression. Has the author ever been to Belarus? Communicated with people?
    What a terrible propaganda.
    Did you like the poppies in the embroidery?
    What nonsense ?!
    Belarus is between the Russian Federation and the EU. Do we even have to close the western border?
    I hope the opinion of the author is not shared by the majority, otherwise it will be very sad.
    1. +3
      3 March 2019 10: 45
      What a nasty and nasty article
      Hats off to you ... bravo.
    2. +2
      3 March 2019 13: 55
      The author convincingly argues that Belarus is not between, but behind: the EU and the Russian Federation. Illusory sovereignty (Lukashenko told why he did not recognize Abkhazia).
      The author also said that his estimates must be reviewed - not to be mistaken for long.
    3. +5
      3 March 2019 18: 54
      Quote: SPQR
      What a nasty and nasty article. Left a very unpleasant impression. Has the author ever been to Belarus? Communicated with people?
      Well, I do. Every year I go to Belarus. And I see people being successfully brainwashed. Oleg correctly writes that the same processes are going on there as in Ukraine. Even among the old officers of the Soviet army, Russia every year causes more and more irritation, and questions about Crimea, Abkhazia and Ossetia, at best, cause the answer "we have our own state, not Russia." They begin to call themselves Litvin, one of the Polish earls "found" in their ancestors. There is no need to close the western border, it is necessary to cover it, and Alexander Rygorych is never an ally. That's what the article is about.
      1. +2
        3 March 2019 21: 12
        Even old officers of the soviet army Russia every year causes more irritation,

        and questions about Crimea, Abkhazia and Ossetia, at best, cause the answer "we have our own state, not Russia."


        For a small price or at whose expense? Why Belarus is not Austria
        https://topwar.ru/141834-za-maluyu-cenu-ili-za-chey-schet-pochemu-belarus-ne-avstriya.html

        Alone and without weapons
        https://topwar.ru/126964-odin-i-bez-oruzhiya.html

        For some reason, its state means first of all my army

        The author is very interesting - what are these officers counting on?
        In the conditions of the collapse of the Belarusian economy and the state and the NATO movement to the east?
  17. +3
    3 March 2019 11: 10
    Hardly domuchil article. The answer is simple - people divide money. Propaganda and so on, only means.
    1. 0
      3 March 2019 17: 57
      Another power that ultimately leads to money. hi
    2. +2
      3 March 2019 18: 00
      Hardly domuchil article. The answer is simple - people divide money. Propaganda and so on, only means.


      I will surprise you very much: they love and kill, usually absolutely for free. am
  18. -2
    3 March 2019 12: 07
    Pan Oleg, far from prophetic. Gave another nonsense on the mountain, maybe stop recording us as Nazis and policemen? Such posts only disconnect. Okay, the older generation will understand that this is another crazy paycheck chauvinist. If young people poke such garbage, she can believe it. For those who are interested in normal pro Slavic analytics, read the IMHO club. And if you constantly devour our Belarusian opposition resources you can go crazy. You too liberals write a lot of things. And Cossack women set up busts of Krasnov. And no Russian brothers are sitting with us and are not waiting for your loans to giggle. Everyone plows, but somewhere they even smell like horses)))
    1. +1
      3 March 2019 13: 58
      Blessed is he who believes! Reality must be taken with caution - it can be very amazing.
    2. +2
      3 March 2019 20: 38
      And if you constantly eat our Belarusian oppozursy can go crazy. You too liberals write a lot of things


      1 In Russia, of course, there are oppo-resources - but their audience is 10 percent (at best)
      Rather percent 5-6
      The oppositionists themselves are very noticeable, because there are too many of them in the capitals.

      2 There are quite a few resources like HE - and they are popular.
      That is, patriotic sentiments are typical, well, even if the percentage of 60 population
      By the way, official traffic doesn’t come in here. - it is separate.

      3 In Belarus, I'm sorry, but the main resources are all pro-Western.
      Official - "pro-Russian" well, very conditionally ...
      Only from the point of view of the Belarusians themselves.

      Chom has a problem: there is no significant "pro-Russian political layer" in Belarus.
      Help anyone?
      Old man?
      KGB?
      Oppam?
      To help someone?
      1. -2
        3 March 2019 21: 03
        "3 In Belarus, I'm sorry, but the main resources are all pro-Western.
        Official - "pro-Russian" well, very conditional ... "
        what is it about?
      2. +2
        4 March 2019 18: 58
        Quote: Olezhek
        Chom has a problem: there is no significant "pro-Russian political layer" in Belarus.
        Help anyone?
        Old man?

        You are thinking in the right direction. If something is not there, then you need to create it, if necessary.
  19. +1
    3 March 2019 13: 45
    From the awareness that the dear and beloved Communist Party deprived of freedom and destroyed the people much more than the damned imperial regime.


    If you are talking about Khrushch, then at the XX Congress he considered only party members, and there were not so many of them, the rest of the population (93%), which fell under the millstones of repression (essentially a revolution of the civil war), in which he took the most active part, but for some reason he was not shot in 38, he was not interested.

    The second is that such competent propaganda sooner or later poisons the consciousness of the authorities themselves, its leaders. They "begin to use their goods" and cease to objectively evaluate the realities.


    That is what happened with the United States.
    1. -3
      3 March 2019 21: 03
      If you're talking about Khrushch, at the XXth Congress he considered only members of the party,


      For some reason, I'm not talking about Khrushchov.
      Although of course - a great politician.
      1. +1
        3 March 2019 23: 41
        I do not know whether Khrushch is a great politician in anything, where and when the Communist Party destroyed its own people. The people were well destroyed without it. Some quite purposefully, for example, fists, when staged a famine to raise grain prices.

        Sorry, but in the comic supervillains, enslaving the world simply out of malice I do not believe.
        1. 0
          4 March 2019 15: 25
          neither where nor when did the Communist Party destroy its own people.


          Listen - I have long suspected that the Internet gives access to parallel worlds ... belay
          1. 0
            4 March 2019 15: 33
            In Khrushch with access to parallel worlds and without Ineta it worked. Show how the Communist Party destroyed the people and why it built all kinds of schools, hospitals, Magnitka and DneproGESy for this people.
  20. -5
    3 March 2019 14: 21
    How interesting is that! The author wrote nonsense in the paradigm of the one that he was given. the thinker will take and raise the net and look at the archives of the programs. After that, nothing needs to be said. For stuffing such as the loss of Ukraine in the form of more union in Afghanistan, it’s just not even funny. Everything is clear and clear. Here on the site directly surname and address who is where and when! (http://www.memorybook.org.ua/). There are missing but their maximum is 1%.
    For the implementation of propaganda! The article is just to make Belarusians like enemies, no more and no less. The pipe was pressed out at the time? The agreement was signed that take oil and gas as much as you want at our prices? And now, as always, in the bushes. Well so father has nowhere to run. Father’s might and in NATO, at the moment with the European Union rush! And this is not Ukraine which is not on but in! A dozen dissidents will be forgiven for him, while he has an un-sawn complex, + roads + normal social legislation even in the European Union.
    1. +2
      3 March 2019 15: 13
      Thank you, we neighing. Go already to NATO. Just go, and do not make ourselves our friends. Let you there and feed and protect.
    2. +2
      3 March 2019 17: 59
      For stuffing in the type of losses of Ukraine in the form of more union in Afghanistan, it is simply not even funny. Everything is clear there


      And everything is simple - the front line and from one side and the other side endlessly pounding art burning hundreds of tons
      ammunition ...
      Tanks go and scribbling machine guns ...
      Frontal collision (not in the mountains!) With the massive use of heavy weapons
      What kind of loss do you want ???

      What stopped ukrofashistov? Hard in the ass wounded? They flinch?

      Here on the site, directly by the names and address, who and when! (http://www.memorybook.org.ua/)

      Do you still know that after the counterstrike and the liberation of a part of Donbass from the junta, numerous burial grounds of ukrovoens and simply abandoned corpses were found?
      Do you know how Bandera feel about "theirs"?
      Killed - you have to pay money to the family.
      Missing - well, sorry.
      1. -1
        4 March 2019 13: 18
        Do not write nonsense. As for accounting for losses in Ukraine, everything is at the highest level. No one is even trying to hush up.
        1. +1
          4 March 2019 15: 24
          About accounting losses in Ukraine, everything is at the highest level.


          And all at the highest level.
          Is that the most important thing?
          The obscure itself is built solely on the truth.
          And not a drop of lies ... am
  21. +2
    3 March 2019 17: 49
    But if you come up with an open mind, the first thing that catches your eye is the complete artificiality and even the tension of this very process.
    ------------
    Well, you know, comrade author ... I’m an ethnic Ukrainian who was born in the hero city of Moscow, all my life I was proud of, for example, the Ukrainians Gogol, Bykov, Sirko, Makhno, which Mikhnenko ... And it’s exactly up to the bulb that I don’t Taras is a bastard of ragul, and by the way at times, and cruel, let's say jokes from acquaintances, among whom Sokolsky had a lot of clutter, for example. I - here - an ethnic Ukrainian, and I'm proud of it, and no .... You yourself understood that you got out of a tire with a pan - you won’t make me do it. And to refuse my nationality, which was inscribed in the passport - I will not.
    You confused the Ukrainian, Chi Malorossa with ukr and ragul. I'm used to it.
    Pa path for you - no one so hates them, just like Ukrainians ..
    1. 0
      3 March 2019 18: 07
      I don't know, this can be called artificial, the problem is that any gradation depends on who performs the gradation - it is always artificial ... There is no such thing as a "species" - because you cannot draw a clear line - this male and a female - one, and their offspring is already different ... What is meant ...
      With regard to the site - uncle Vasya's maneuvers at the border post - border guards?
      1. +1
        3 March 2019 20: 58
        It turned out bad, like ... I had "Every time remembering - no one but us, you know - you are not alone under the moon"
        1. +1
          3 March 2019 22: 51
          Measles I ..
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca45lURQF14
    2. 0
      3 March 2019 18: 09
      You confused the Ukrainian, Chi Malorossa with ukr and ragul. I'm used to it.
      Pa path for you - no one so hates them, just like Ukrainians ..


      Every nation and nationality has the problem of "raguli" ...
    3. +3
      3 March 2019 18: 48
      Quote: Cowbra

      ------------
      Well, do you know, comrade author ... I’m an ethnic Ukrainian born in the hero city of Moscow, all my life I was proud of, for example, the Ukrainians Gogol, Bykov, Sirko, Makhno, who Mikhnenko ... I’m here - an ethnic Ukrainian, and I'm proud of it, and no .... You yourself understood that you got out of a tire with a pan - you won’t make me do it. And to refuse my nationality, which was inscribed in the passport - I will not.
      ..

      As far as I understand, talking to VO with Russians, they mostly believe that there is no such nationality as Ukrainian, there is no such language as Ukrainian. The Ukrainian people were invented by the Austro-Hungarians in front of the WWI and then communists continued during the USSR. So you are also a product of propaganda Russophobic or they are a product of propaganda Ukrainophobic. request
      1. +1
        3 March 2019 19: 03
        He’s not his language — it’s not for me to judge, there are philologists, but we’ll sit down under the viburnum and over the panes, I’m a pan, look at my ribno, I’m lovingly boiling in the fog, I’ve sung the whole yard with me as a kid, somehow understanding I don’t know what the Maybutne talk is about, that is, the dialect.
        It's about two approaches - to be proud of what you have done, and to dishonor others that yours have not done such a thing.
        Is the difference big? Is Al Sacristy rich? Rosium?
        By the way, I’m drinking, I don’t razmovlyvat it - from the arc it is filthy.
        And the difference is great
      2. +1
        3 March 2019 22: 58
        Notice, no offense:
        Allow those who use the language that you call Russian, or the one you call Ukrainian ... Decide where, how, and when to use them?
        YOU. sorry. Who?
  22. 0
    3 March 2019 17: 55
    Russia saved Abashidze, Shevardnadze, Yanukovych. Despite the fact that none of them was 100 percent pro-Russian.

    The United States erased the dust of the camp Mubarak, which 30 years served them as a faithful dog. And conscience does not torment them. Sarkozy bombed and destroyed Libya and Gaddafi himself (who financed his election campaign).


    For a long time I could not understand the essence of the article until I read it many times, then I caught this sensible message, and there are a lot of controversial in the text and I would even say provocative opinions.
    1. +3
      3 March 2019 17: 59
      In-of! But well done author ...
      1. +2
        3 March 2019 18: 05
        It depends on which side to look, so twist and confuse everything ...
  23. 0
    3 March 2019 18: 42
    .A set of words. Find the difference. The first option: whose Crimea, whose Donbass, state flag Bender. The second option: whose Crimea, whose Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the state flag of Vlasov ??
    1. 0
      3 March 2019 22: 33
      Quote: AlexGa
      .benderovsky.
      Bendery is a city in Transnistria, and the main hero of Ukraine is Bandera (the test word is "gang"). And the rest (about the flags), no matter how bitter, is correct.
      1. 0
        4 March 2019 00: 27
        Blame, of course, "Bandera"
      2. 0
        5 March 2019 06: 35
        Well, brothers!
  24. -4
    3 March 2019 21: 35
    Oleg Egorov, you need to admit that you didn’t work out with the article today. The note came out at 5/45 in the morning and until 21/30 there were only 80 comments. It’s a failure and a shame that no one wanted to discuss this mess on the day off, but as the ancients say, “paper will endure everything.” We are waiting, from the continuation, because the topic has not been disclosed and the customer of the article will probably not be pleased ...
  25. +2
    4 March 2019 02: 41
    Quote: BAI
    Sooner or later, Belarus in relations with Russia will come to the current state of affairs, like Ukraine - Russia. Here one can only guess on the topic - when it will happen (and not without the help of Russia, more precisely - thanks to its slurred policy towards Belarus). It has long been known - those who give something for nothing, the recipients despise. Valued only by those who tear 3 skins.

    Well, if there was nothing to take from them? Correctly given, considering the brothers! But now, seeing who they really will provide them to their European fate with a clear conscience! Russian conscience is not an empty phrase and it is expensive.
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      4 March 2019 07: 17
      "Conscience for Russians is not an empty phrase and it is expensive ..
      Yes Yes! "We are Russians, we do not deceive each other." (Brother 2)
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      4 March 2019 19: 07
      Speaking of conscience. And where did so many crooks and scammers come from in the Russian elite? And this, one must understand, is the most conscientious. The elite of Russian society. I can imagine what Russian unscrupulous people are. And that conscience is expensive - are you hinting at the size of bribes? Then I agree. Corruption is flourishing in Russia, because the conscience of a Russian official, deputy, senator, minister is not an expensive commodity.
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        5 March 2019 04: 01
        Neither repentant to be seen, nor willing to replace corrupt officials.
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    4 March 2019 07: 18
    I would have watched their "independence" without the supply of Russian gas, oil. Outright theft from pipes, payments for transit, and financial assistance from Russia since 91. They raised dependents, but they still spit on us. hi hi
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