Catch up to the "Maidan". On the prospects for the unification of Russia and Belarus

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When less than a month ago I tried analyze the situation with the possible unification of Russia and Belarus, it never occurred to me that events would develop so quickly. That is, having guessed the direction of their development, I was greatly mistaken about the speed with which Minsk’s process of accepting the inevitability of the coming union will lead our countries to start some actual negotiations on this matter.





Let me remind you that in January, President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko made a number of harsh statements, according to which some Russian officials hinted to him that Belarus would join the Russian Federation in “six regions”. At the same time, he declared that the sovereignty of Minsk was sacred and untouchable, and also held a number of internal events on “information counteraction to the Russian media”. Also, some stuffing, presumably of Belarusian origin, was noted, according to which Lukashenko is preparing to “fly over to the West”. It is clear that they were needed only to expand the negotiating field with Moscow, but the hot heads in the Russian Federation took it all very close to their hearts.

Actually, then I assumed that the wave that had risen in the media was nothing but a quite conscious pressure on Minsk from Moscow. The Kremlin realized that it was impossible to postpone certain important integration decisions, and decided to put pressure on Lukashenka, forcing him to go through all the classical stages of making a difficult but inevitable decision: denial, anger, depression, bargaining and, finally, adoption.

And now we learn that Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko held a very productive three-day meeting in Sochi. Of course, no one will tell us about all its results, but one result is still very eloquent: Alexander Grigorievich told reporters that he and Putin are ready for unification, and the last word rests with the peoples of the two countries.

You must agree that this is somewhat different from the “plan for migration of the Republic of Belarus to the West”, which we were trying to slip a month ago, and indeed from the hysterical agenda of those days, when at first glance it seemed that relations between Russia and Belarus were about to be broken. In general, the very spirit of the talks that took place in Sochi testifies to the very good relations between Putin and Lukashenko. As an example, the phrase Lukashenka about the relations of the two leaders, he uttered after the negotiations:

We frankly tell each other that we are not forever. We will leave sometime. What will we leave to the children, how will they continue our policy?


Where and when could we hear something like that, if we talk about world politics? Between the leaders of which states could such a dialogue take place? It is unique even by the standards of the post-Soviet space, where most of the leaders speak Russian, where they are related history, have similar memories of childhood and adolescence. Here, where we all lived in the past under the same state roof, we can expect very warm and trusting relations, at least between several leaders of states. But this does not happen either between Putin and Nazarbayev, or between Putin and Aliyev, or even between some Baltic "stepchildren" of the USSR, who, although they live on one training manual, still do not condescend to a special sincerity in relations.

Yes, we all know that Lukashenko is still hit. And his maneuvering is quite consistent with the image of a cunning Polissian peasant who wants not to miss the benefits of relations with all his neighbors. But still, as practice shows, when it comes to fundamental decisions, it does not recede from the chosen course. And the recent negotiations are an excellent confirmation of this.

Frankly speaking, it is still very difficult to say on what basis the future unification will take place. It is clear that the statement that Belarus should “join the Russian Federation in six regions” could have been Moscow’s attempt to secure in advance a room for maneuver. As they say, ask for a hundred rubles to give at least twenty. In this case, it can work this way: initially, the high requirements were needed only in order to negotiate more or less normal conditions for integration during the negotiations.

On the other hand, it is quite obvious that Moscow does not really need unification on the basis of full equality of the subjects. Well, if only because the subjects are too unequal in their military, political, and economic power. At the same time, Minsk will remain de facto independent, because it is not going to abandon the sovereignty of the “sacred cow”. By delegating key powers to the new center of power (even if it will be located in Moscow), in the end, the Kremlin will not receive anything so valuable that it would be worth making such radical political changes.

In general, it is quite obvious that the Kremlin has enough difficulties with the existing national republics. Thinking about a leapfrog with a union state now, posing as a “new USSR” or even some kind of renewed Russia, means provoking regional elites in Kazan, Grozny or Yakutsk to another struggle for “sovereignty”. To follow this path, offering them equal rights with Minsk in the new Union State, is simply suicidal: in case of failure of this common project, he will instantly repeat the fate of the USSR, but this time with much more devastating consequences for Russia itself - it is in any way we just will not become a form.

For the same reasons, the way of giving Minsk some superpowers within the Russian Federation seems controversial. Yes, Kazan will instantly want as much sovereignty. The Caucasus and other national subjects of the federation will not lag behind it. So, no matter how cool you are, the partition of Belarus into six regions will be optimal with their subsequent inclusion into the Russian Federation.

But since the ideal in politics is almost unattainable, and it usually becomes a product of various compromises, it can be assumed that some “special way” will be found here. For example, Belarus may become part of the Russian Federation as a single entity and even get some specific rights, but the Constitution will stipulate that this is possible only for new subjects who voluntarily decide to join the Russian Federation. This option is more suitable for Lukashenko, as it allows him to almost honestly say that he defended the sovereignty of Belarus to the end, was his honest guarantor and achieved the best conditions for entry into the Russian Federation. Well, there, of course, it was up to the people, who are the main bearer of sovereignty and who made a decision in a referendum.

It is possible that the variant with the “six regions”, which have special rights in Russia, will also work. And also, of course, on the basis of the principle “only recently and voluntarily entered”. This would probably be the best compromise for the Kremlin, but Lukashenko would then have to be pretty tense for the referendum results to be positive.

It is clear that even a hint of such a development of events causes hysteria in the Belarusian opposition, which has long and firmly associated its country with Europe. And here it is not very important whether Belarusians are expected in Europe, and if so, under what conditions: it is clear that our oppositionists (and the Belarusian ones don’t differ much from ours) will arrange gevalt anyway, because they understand where the funding comes from.

The reaction of the most "non-living" part of the Belarusian public has already followed: journalist Natalya Radzina, editor-in-chief of the opposition website Charter-97, gave an appropriate interview to the Ukrainian (not surprisingly) 112 Ukraine channel. In it, she is quite competent, we must give her her due, beat the fears of the most radical part of the “Square”, noting that if combined, the military threat for Ukraine will also come from the north, which will force the APU to spray its forces and make the “nenka” even more vulnerable to "aggression." The journalist also spoke about the "threat" to Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, which even more clearly marked both her views and sources of funding.

And the conclusion made by Ms. Radzina is quite eloquent: she stressed that the conflict between the West and Russia as a result of the latter’s merging with Belarus will turn into an even hotter stage. Which is probably not too far from the truth: in Washington and London, few people will like it, so they will start shit even more.

Will the existing forecast come true, whether the unification of Russia and Belarus will take place, and if so, under what conditions it is difficult to say. But one thing is clear: in no case should we delay this. The next presidential election of the Republic of Belarus must take place no later than August 30 of 2020. And it is very likely that some forces will try to use them for the start of the Belarusian “Maidan”. In any case, the presence of such opposition journalists in Belarus as Radin does not leave us a chance to think otherwise.

So, you need to hurry. In addition, you must be ready, so as not to happen in Kiev. Because, otherwise, there will simply be no hope of a relatively painless return of Russia to its historical borders.
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  1. -56
    19 February 2019 05: 46
    I would be in the place of Belarusians would remain independent! On the contrary, we must flee from Russia, we have a tendency to worsen the situation ...
    1. +38
      19 February 2019 06: 06
      Vali, to each his own. wink No one is holding.
    2. +13
      19 February 2019 06: 16
      Run brother ... run ..
      1. -3
        19 February 2019 18: 57
        Quote: tracer
        Run brother ... run ..

        Yes, all who could have fled. All top scientists, as well as young scientists with potential abroad. Relatives of major statesmen abroad. Innovative businesses designed for the global market are also forced to register abroad (due to sanctions).
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 19: 31
          Not everyone lost the young. And those who left initially were imprisoned for this.
        2. 0
          22 February 2019 09: 29
          Oh really???
      2. +1
        20 February 2019 13: 00
        Better like a movie: Run Lola Run. Again Lola!
      3. +3
        20 February 2019 20: 34
        He is not our brother.
    3. -5
      19 February 2019 06: 37
      if they flee from Russia on a massive scale, then they race from RB to run, but in general it’s impossible to be a little pregnant: joining Russia as regions with common rights is the only viable option for unification
      1. +2
        19 February 2019 12: 02
        The more you dump, the better it will be for the rest.
      2. +3
        20 February 2019 17: 02
        why 6 regions and not an autonomous republic like Crimea or Tatarstan?
        1. 0
          22 February 2019 23: 53
          Republic within the Russian Federation. That's more accurate. Now in Russia there is no such thing as an "autonomous republic".
    4. +1
      19 February 2019 07: 54
      What are you still here?
    5. +5
      19 February 2019 08: 00
      Well, get rid of the fast Judas in the mouth of those legs, don't fuck it, let the "vsepropalschik" drool !!!! negative
    6. +4
      19 February 2019 08: 00
      Why pull it? Very good news! It's only the beginning ...
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      I would be in the place of Belarusians would remain independent! On the contrary, we must flee from Russia, we have a tendency to worsen the situation ...

      Run! Do a favor!
      1. +8
        19 February 2019 08: 59
        Cheslav, have you thought about the consequences? I just broke my head, what to do. They will impose additional sanctions on Sberbank and on Belarusian banks. Neither they to us, nor we to them. It will turn out like in the Crimea. People here reported that a certain Krasnodar bank entered the Crimea, and "his" Sberbank pressed him, and now the Krasnodar bank is bent and left the Crimea. If Putin and Lukashenko have found a solution to the problem in the banking sector, then I am for unification with all my heart - Belarusians are wonderful people and are of their own blood. And if not? If they didn't even discuss this problem?
        1. +20
          19 February 2019 10: 13
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, my compliments! And what negative consequences can there be from the return of the primordially Russian lands to their historical state ?! Well, what are you ?! Some pluses. I do not see absolutely no disadvantages in uniting the largest divided people in the world! Russia is collecting its lands in the context of perfect historical justice! And the sanctions ... So what? These are the enemies! So they are terrified. We will survive the sanctions and in general we will survive all the sanctions! Have you been to Crimea in Ukrainian times? Do you know how people lived? I will answer - from season to season it is if anyone has something to rent a little bit close to the sea. Salary if someone worked before 2014 1 hryvnia 500 rubles for happiness, pensions 6 hryvnia 000 rubles. Yes, what are we all about money and money ?! It's getting better at home. ALL! Here the comrade from above "for run" is conducting agitation ... Let them run. Let friends - like-minded people be sure to grab! The more of these dumps, the better and more convenient it will be for the rest to resist the West and defend the Motherland if necessary. And in general, it will become easier and freer to breathe. We got it with our whining! GOT IT! And we ask all Russians and Russians for mercy! Sincerely glad! Let's live.
        2. 0
          20 February 2019 16: 38
          About Sberbank cool ....
    7. +7
      19 February 2019 08: 28
      Alexander G. in a conversation with reporters said that he and Putin are ready for unification, and the last word is left to the peoples of the two countries.

      Old Man regularly declares that he’s ready to unite .. but in fact this does not happen, and it won’t happen .. It’s not for nothing that he carries his son everywhere .. prepares for his place ... And if he unites, this place can slip away ..
      1. +2
        19 February 2019 12: 40
        Quote: Svarog
        No wonder he carries his son everywhere .. prepares for his place

        And his son Kolya, perhaps, will not be enough already? What if he was offered a higher throne? belay I think this is something that the AHL will not be able to refuse. smile
      2. +3
        19 February 2019 13: 20
        There was a joke like that, a journalist asks Lukashenko:
        - "Until you are in power?" - to which Alexander Grigorych replied:
        - "Here until Kolya and I will!"
      3. 0
        19 February 2019 19: 29
        The article is fat trolling.
        We frankly tell each other that we are not forever. We will leave sometime. What will we leave to the children, how will they continue our policy?

        Interestingly, Lukashenko was accompanied by his youngest son, Kolenka. You can see from the photos on the Internet

        The association here is already quite fat trolling.
        We are ready to go so far in unity, in the unification of our efforts by states and peoples, as far as you are prepared.
        Lukashenko has always said so based on previously signed agreements. These documents featured the creation of a union state, based on common governing bodies and legal acts. If you remember, Vladimir Putin said in the first term of his presidency that he would not tolerate supranational government.
        1. 0
          22 February 2019 23: 55
          But after all, supranational structures have been created in the Eurasian Economic Community, the decisions of which are binding.
    8. 0
      19 February 2019 09: 06
      For you, the Motherland is "where the situation is better." What are you doing here? Ran Vasya, Ran.
    9. 0
      19 February 2019 16: 19
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      From Russia it is necessary to flee on the contrary

      run and the farther the better ... bully
      1. -3
        19 February 2019 17: 05
        Comrades, you are becoming personal. And let's understand you, what type of people do you belong to? There are 3 options. 1 - everything is good in your Russia, Kisilev is your god, America will soon bend, Europe will decay. 2 - you really like everything that is happening, and raising the retirement age, and VAT, and our other new laws, for example, a possible ban on the Internet, a ban on blaming the authorities. Putin is the only worthy candidate 3 - you are trying to do something, go to rallies, but you understand that everything is hopeless when in the city with a million-plus population, 2000 people went out to an action against raising the retirement age ... By the way, did you go? And the only way out is to somehow isolate ourselves from the cattle described in paragraphs 1 and 2, of which 90%. Why are they like where they got out from, why, when I go fishing, or the beach, everywhere is trash? What kind of people are they doing? Do you see what is happening in our country? They lost space to the fullest, they refuse our planes, they also stop buying weapons. And people 1 and 2 are mainly to blame for this, because they are afraid of changes, who except Putin ... Minusut, but tell me who you are - 1, 2, or 3. Yes, it is disgusting for me to live surrounded by cattle.
        1. +2
          19 February 2019 17: 42
          Go to hash, immediately feel better.
        2. +2
          19 February 2019 18: 39
          Quote: Dazdranagon
          And let's understand you, what type of people do you belong to?

          I am Russian and Russia is my homeland! The rest is details, but you don’t understand it, mankurt ... request
          Quote: Dazdranagon
          Do you see what is happening in our country?

          yeah, there are problems and the power is not perfect! bully
          1. -5
            19 February 2019 23: 04
            Quote: ser56
            I am Russian and Russia is my homeland!
            - I also. But 90% of creatures settled here - rude, not educated, scamming everywhere, swearing obscenities, whom the government has, and which all suffer.
            1. -1
              20 February 2019 13: 32
              Quote: Dazdranagon
              which has power, and which all suffer.

              1) why so rude? You yourself demand a cultural discussion ... People are different - you want to demonstrate - go ahead! Or do you need to send others? bully
              2) People endure until it is very difficult - they went through the 90s, they know what the Perestroika and the Maidans are leading to ... and until recently the authorities have complied with the measure, they have gone too far with pensions ... request
              1. -1
                20 February 2019 18: 10
                Quote: ser56
                want to demonstrate - go ahead! Or do you need to send others?
                - I was among those 2000 people at the rally against raising the retirement age. It is in the city of a millionaire.

                Quote: ser56
                Perestroika and Maidana
                - What does Ukraine have to do with it? Let's look at France.
        3. +1
          20 February 2019 13: 02
          For - it's an insult, are you up to date? And I'm wondering who pitted you, too, people consider Cattle?
        4. 0
          21 February 2019 08: 53
          The world is more complex, you could imagine. Well, God did not give ....
        5. +1
          23 February 2019 01: 31
          I don’t see anything unreliable in paragraphs 1-3, CaM once put it something like:
          Well, it’s not the Martians who will stave our entrances and litter past bins! ...
          As for weapons, airplanes and other things, there is healthy and not very good competition, and more and more of us are those who are not so good, we really lose here, due to the incomparability of values ​​...
    10. 0
      19 February 2019 17: 35
      And you have already run away, no matter where you put your skis on, your employers need you here, and there everyone who is not lazy will wipe their feet on the skid, do you know what they are doing with the used contraceptive?
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 17: 50
        Quote: Glen-99
        there they will wipe their feet
        - and here Putin, Chubais, Vasilyeva and Serdyukov love you and respect you. They even allowed you to work up to 65 years and allowed you to pay 20% VAT!
        1. 0
          21 February 2019 08: 57
          The problem is not age, work and older. The problem is to be able to be in demand (qualification, experience), and this is purely individual.
    11. +1
      19 February 2019 18: 17
      Nobody holds you, tablecloth path. Only the air will be cleaner.
      1. -3
        19 February 2019 23: 01
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Nobody holds you, tablecloth path. Only the air will be cleaner.

        - man, do not be rude. I described everything above. You obviously either relate to item 1, or to item 2. Did you go to a rally against raising the retirement age?
    12. 0
      20 February 2019 14: 35
      Run! And take all the prowlers with you.
      1. 0
        21 February 2019 08: 59
        And ALL!
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    14. +1
      23 February 2019 14: 05
      In the post-Soviet space, only the unification of everyone and everything against the impending destruction will save us, and the future unification by one state or union will not matter.
  2. +6
    19 February 2019 05: 54
    Uniting is not necessary, for Belarus is a buffer.
    It is necessary to unite, for the Belarusian Maidan is coming.
    Grandma said in two (Kuzovkov)
    1. +7
      19 February 2019 07: 18
      Quote: depressant
      Uniting is not necessary, for Belarus is a buffer.
      It is necessary to unite, for the Belarusian Maidan is coming.
      Grandma said in two (Kuzovkov)

      Everything will remain as it is .....
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 07: 29
        "As is" will no longer be, it will be "better" or "worse". Let's hope you are wrong.
      2. +2
        19 February 2019 10: 18
        No, Olgovich, everything will change in the near future. We have no other way.
        Quote: depressant
        Uniting is not necessary, for Belarus is a buffer.
        It is necessary to unite, for the Belarusian Maidan is coming.
        Grandma said in two (Kuzovkov)

        Belarus cannot be a buffer because Belarus is Russia, and Belarusians are Russian!
        1. +4
          19 February 2019 10: 49
          Quote: Cheslav Czursky
          No, Olgovich, everything will change in the near future. We have no other way.

          God grant! For yes:
          Quote: Cheslav Czursky
          . Belarus is Russia, and Belarusians are Russian!
          1. +3
            19 February 2019 10: 58
            We will be worthy and the Lord will not leave us! In such a case as the unification of Russian lands and the Russian people, to be afraid of something is a terrible sin and indelible shame. God will not forgive us! What other sanctions am I begging you ?! Lyudmila Yakovlevna is a kind woman, but in the comments above she just got a little excited. And you do not lose heart in vain and in general. Changes for the better cannot be seen.
            1. +7
              19 February 2019 12: 33
              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              What other sanctions am I begging you ?!

              In 2014, this phrase was spoken exclusively in an ironic-humorous tone.
              With each subsequent year, the phrase is pronounced more seriously ...
              That is:
              2014 - What kind more sanctions, I beg you ...
              2019 - Which more sanctions i you I beg (do not)!
              Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
              God will not forgive us!

              This one:
              1. BAI
                +7
                19 February 2019 12: 59
                Cyril has a yacht - Pallas, on the Black Sea, skated on Azimuth. This is some kind of extraneous yacht.
                1. -1
                  19 February 2019 22: 34
                  Quote: BAI
                  Cyril has a yacht - Pallas, on the Black Sea, skated on Azimuth. This is some kind of extraneous yacht.

                  I am aware that Pallas. Just a gorgeous frame. The essence of the matter does not change.
                  PS Interestingly, Pallas in the sense of Athena? Ancient Greek goddess? Somehow not Orthodox ...
              2. +1
                19 February 2019 13: 25
                Quote: serpent
                2019 - What other sanctions, I beg you (no need)!

                Serpent, well, beg for health. Creep it judging by what you wrote and actually by your nickname is close to you. There is no need to speak for others. I didn't write that. Regarding your antics against the clergy, I have to answer you something? I understand that you have such a nature, but in this topic, what is it for? Just? Did you want to? Fizz further! It is said - "... You, Lord, my hope. Evil will not come to you, and the wound will not come close to your body. Like His Angel, the commandment about you, will keep you in all your ways. They will disturb you in your arms, but not when you stumble about step on the asp and the basilisk, and cross the lion and the serpent ... "Do you understand? Obviously not! So that's it! And you won't understand.
                1. +1
                  19 February 2019 22: 45
                  Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                  Creep it judging by what you wrote and actually by your nickname is close to you. ... hiss further! ... Step on the asp and the basilisk, and cross the lion and the serpent ...

                  Holy saints! God sees - how many slander and slander I have suffered because of my nickname!
                  Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                  Do you get it? Of course, no! So here it is! And do not understand.

                  Does your halo accidentally bake your head? And when you go into the elevator, the wings do not interfere?
              3. +2
                19 February 2019 16: 22
                we have a worthy and intelligent patriarch ... God grant him longevity and health ... smile
          2. +2
            19 February 2019 16: 20
            Quote: Olgovich
            Belarus is Russia, and Belarusians are Russian!

            I have 2 cousins ​​with families live in the Gomel region - somehow I did not notice the difference ... request
        2. 0
          19 February 2019 17: 45
          Exactly, drang am West!
        3. -6
          19 February 2019 21: 08
          Did they baptize me without me?
          Cheslav, why are Belarusians Russian? Who told you this?
          About myself, well, I do not like hawthorn ...
          1. 0
            20 February 2019 13: 05
            Do you like Belarusian shrimps?
            1. -1
              20 February 2019 21: 34
              So this is we to you, at your request, guessing ...
  3. +11
    19 February 2019 05: 56
    need to hurry
    This is understandable, there was no need to disperse!
    1. +11
      19 February 2019 07: 59
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      need to hurry
      This is understandable, there was no need to disperse!
      In hindsight, we are all smart.
      But that was - that was.

      I think. Lukashenka and the majority of Belarusians understand that they are not expected in the West in any form. Our "non-brothers" have the illusion that they are "all worldly." At the same time, Tribaltia has been cracking sovereignty in three throats for three decades, but losing weight and losing weight is not an example for them.

      To venture a leapfrog with a union state, passing it off as a “new USSR” or even some kind of renewed Russia, means provoking regional elites in Kazan, Grozny or Yakutsk to another battle for “sovereignty”.
      It all depends on the center.
      The "parade of sovereignties" was due to a weak central authority.
      Do not forget the special privileges of Tatarstan expired only two years ago. The rest are not buzzing.
      Chechnya, I think, received a good vaccination from imaginary freedom.

      And integration is vital. In order to compete successfully in the modern world, it is necessary to bring the population in the integrated economic zone to at least half a billion. Then and only then will high technology be guaranteed to “fight back”.
  4. +11
    19 February 2019 06: 05
    I’m not sure what will be more from the union (if it happens), benefit or harm. Again, looking for whom. And will they ask the opinion of the electorate about this? I think not long to wait until the picture becomes clear.
    1. +11
      19 February 2019 08: 11
      Quote: Rust
      I’m not sure what will be more from the union (if it happens), benefit or harm.
      And this depends on how and for what purposes this very integration will take place.
      If our oligarchs want to warm their sticky paws on this, then there will be nothing good.

      For the integration of the new old economic areas ("former"), real social elevators are needed.

      But I have pessimism - young people in the post-Soviet space are extremely negative about Russia. It is enough to take textbooks on History - for the entire post-Soviet space they were written by Soros structures. There, all, absolutely all of their Soviet history is presented as one large concentration camp. With torture, genocide and ritual eating of babies in the Central Committee.
      1. -9
        19 February 2019 08: 19
        If our oligarchs want to warm their sticky paws on this, then there will be nothing good.
        That’s why the Kremlin wants to seize Belarus. It is to capture and not unite.
      2. +7
        19 February 2019 10: 22
        The oligarchs come and go, but if there is a chance to reunite nations, it is a sin to miss it. Then it will be too late.
        1. +5
          19 February 2019 11: 09
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          The oligarchs come and go, but if there is a chance to reunite nations, it is a sin to miss it. Then it will be too late.

          The oligarchs come and go a, the bourgeois class remains.
        2. +1
          19 February 2019 18: 11
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          The oligarchs come and go

          The children of the oligarchs remain.
          1. +2
            19 February 2019 18: 14
            Children of oligarchs are usually a pale copy of the parent. While dad is in the chair and they are at office. As soon as dad flies out, they are very quickly asked to move up. Neither their grip, nor their own connections, complete dependence on the ancestor.
    2. 0
      19 February 2019 09: 32
      Rust, my opinion is this: if you have already worked out a plan for unification, let it be published, and we will discuss it in detail and calculate the risks. And not only we and not only here. According to the comments, let that plan be corrected and published in a new form. And then - a referendum. I’ll go to vote anyway.
      1. +2
        19 February 2019 09: 37
        Quote: depressant
        my opinion is this: if you have already worked out a plan for unification, let it be published, and we will discuss it in detail and calculate the risks

        Do you know how to count? Risks?

        Quote: depressant
        And not only we and not only here

        That is right. Intelligence all over the world will be extremely grateful to you for your initiative so timely and useful.

        NB: diplomacy is a very non-public sector. And it is right Yes
      2. 0
        19 February 2019 15: 31
        The sure death of any plan is to arrange a discussion.
      3. -1
        19 February 2019 21: 17
        The question is, if a miracle happens and we become one country, then in the next elections I can become president or ..., you were not standing here !!! ''
        We do not have your parties and somehow I would not want a certain uncle in a turban or in a hat from a ram to present the Minsk province, moreover, he does not understand the pen ...
        1. +3
          20 February 2019 16: 51
          And this is said by a representative of the nation that opened a mosque 100 years earlier than Moscow ?:
          The main ethnic marker of the Lithuanian Tatars was Islam, which was very tolerant in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Commonwealth. The first mosque in Minsk appeared in 1599 (in Moscow in 1744). By the XNUMXth century, mosques were operating in Grodno, Novogrudok, Zaslavl and some other Belarusian cities.
          And how about this: In the historical literature of the Belarusian Tatars they usually portray the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as ardent patriots, which, in general, is true. “Together with the Belarusian, Polish and Lithuanian patriots, the Tatars fought for the liberation of the Commonwealth from the countries of the conquerors,” writes Ibrahim Konopatsky, a Belarusian scientist of Tatar origin. “Generals Chimbay Murza Rudnitsky, Yusuf Belyak, Yakub Yasinsky, Matey Sulkevich, Alexander Milkovsky, Yusuf Bazarevich, colonels Hasan Konopatsky and Mustafa Yakubovsky, many other Tatars who won military affairs and won the pride and respect of Belarusian and Polish society." The aforementioned Yusuf Belyak and Yakub Yasinsky in 1794 until the last defended Warsaw from Russian troops under the command of Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov
          Do not want your country uncle in a turban, change the country. Your present is not a virgin for a long time))))
          1. -3
            20 February 2019 21: 30
            Is it with us or have you shackled the shackles in the Federation Council of the village that does not speak Russian ???
            1. 0
              22 February 2019 11: 01
              And right now you have shown yourself to be very stupid with your comments, dear. I remind you once again that your Tatars have not disappeared from you and we have not heard about their arrests. Are they untouchable? Are you afraid to touch them?)))
              And right now, the very person arrested at the Federation Council is very willingly speaking in Russian. Or were you so upset that we sent your sister to jail?)))
              1. -1
                22 February 2019 15: 22
                What does the Tatars have to do with it? Tubeite is in your hands, and I’m saying that we have enough crooks. And let the Tatars breed and multiply. Here on a copper in our sword in Minsk
                it’s opened ...
                1. 0
                  22 February 2019 15: 35
                  Aaaaa, are you talking about politicians and crooks, and not about the fact that halal people are running in Russia? Those. this was not a reproach for the halal people under our government: "We do not have your parties and somehow I would not want the Minsk province to be represented by some uncle in a turban or a hat with a ram"? You should learn some style and Russian ...
                  1. -1
                    22 February 2019 15: 40
                    Believe me, it’s too late for me to learn Russian style. You have not only halal, but also nosy and redheads who have not gotten bad ...
                    1. 0
                      22 February 2019 15: 44
                      And, here again, the old and crawled, so the question is not about swindlers in power, but about non-believers and foreigners. I’ll remind you of Tady, you have no less Gentiles. When you join the Russian Federation you won’t feel the difference))))). Moreover, it’s fun to hear this from such an old brow that it’s too late to learn anything. Have you fought in the Second World War on the wrong side?)))))
                      1. -1
                        22 February 2019 15: 57
                        Ancient of course I am, but not so ...
                        In the Great Patriotic War:
                        father from Minsk to Berlin + 3 years in partisans
                        mother stolen in Germany
                        grandfather was stolen to Germany (not suitable for military service in civilian injuries)
                        grandfather’s brother is a member of the U.S. Navy ship commander. In 1913 he left RI in search of a better life.
                        stepfather (the Nazis burned the village) brought two girls with him
                        Continue???
                      2. +3
                        22 February 2019 15: 59
                        And the descendant turned into a golem Natsik! You can not continue))))
                      3. -1
                        22 February 2019 16: 13
                        Thanks for the compliment!!!
                        ,, ... goodbye, not washed Russia ... ''
                      4. +2
                        22 February 2019 16: 37
                        Zmagamar all have a happy journey to the afterlife! Under the sun remains a winner!
  5. +5
    19 February 2019 06: 07
    But don't you think that someone is going to manage 1/6 of the land for life? With all due respect to the individual, democracy should and should be an alternative.
    1. -3
      19 February 2019 07: 31
      I do not think that principles are more important than expediency.
    2. -4
      19 February 2019 08: 49
      Russia is not created for democracy.
      As soon as democracy came to Russia, decline immediately set in. Russia needs a strong leader, strong-willed person.
      And talk about what is rich and poor, so it always has been everywhere, and with any system.
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 16: 04
        Insert your Dermocracy deeper.
    3. +5
      19 February 2019 09: 38
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      democracy must be

      Democracy does not happen. What you mean by democracy is ochlocracy and, as a result, a mess.
    4. +1
      19 February 2019 18: 13
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      democracy must be

      Have you seen much good from democracy since '91?
    5. 0
      19 February 2019 20: 32
      Well, I wish she had this democracy on Kolyma, we don’t need it.
      30 years of shit democracy and I don’t see anything good from it.
      We are one people, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians (both Russians and Buryats and Mongols, etc.), only together we are power. He will leave (Putin) in due time and I hope that we will restore the monarchy and let there be Nikolai 3 (Lukoshenko), well, from the very young age he has been brought up in politics for this purpose.
      And I will survive even a million more sanctions. I’ll be charged with a santennik under any authority.
      Yes, natural selection is now underway, as the strongest, most cunning, dodgy, persistent will survive in the war.
      It is necessary not to whine, but to work no matter how hard it is, never give up, and then there will be no care for taxes, sanctions, low salaries, you just need to and with the constitutional monarchy it will be easier.
      1. -1
        19 February 2019 21: 24
        Everything according to Ilyich - ... and even a cook (plumber) can ... ''
        Plumber, I do not want to survive, I WANT TO LIVE !!!
        First he built (from 75 to 91) a bright future
        then (c91 to this day) developed capitalism ...
        Tsar !!! Tsar !!! Tsar !!!
        The diagnosis, however ...
        1. +4
          19 February 2019 21: 38
          I don’t survive, but just live (family, my home, car, motorcycle, Siberian husky dog, no mortgages, loans and other charms of shit democracy) I just adapted and enjoy life.
          I have a higher technical education and experience in managerial work, but these pieces of paper, subordinates at one point, were not interesting to me, but sincere gratitude of customers for me is the best reward after a monetary reward.
          So you built someone for some reason, and in the end are not happy with life, unlike me, digging in shit and quite my life.
          And I am also not very happy with our power, but there’s no sense in this, so why waste your precious time on it.
          So whoever has the diagnosis is another two grandmother said.
          And my advice to you. Live and rejoice in this life as I rejoice in it and cherish every moment of it and I just deeply believed in this power and other embezzlers. Draw conclusions.
          1. -1
            19 February 2019 22: 06
            I live in Minsk, I am 60 years old
            family
            own house in Minsk, 3 dogs (Alabai pure Turkmen, Chinese crested and Dvorterrier) 5 cats.
            -2 cars, etc., etc.
            Never been an opportunist ...
            Sorry, survive, adapt your words.
            And if you do not care about the thieves and embezzlers who control you, then why are you pulling me into this wagna (in Russian quagmire, swamp)?
            Or will I feel better? At the moment I work at a state-owned enterprise and am very pleased ...
            Sincerely.
            1. 0
              19 February 2019 22: 21
              To pull, but not sooner all the same, you don’t want your right, but when the Maidan is chosen or I’m afraid of a choice, they won’t leave ordinary people and it will be the same as in Ukraine, I would really not like that, I like both Belarusians and their country, but there will be no Russia and in Belarus an ass will come, so why do we need this border? .
              Alone in the field is not a warrior, together strength. But 30 years have passed and nowhere is anything good in the post-Soviet space even observed, if only a little in Russia.
              And as far as adaptation is concerned, any person who adapts is looking for a better job, a place of life, a hobby, this is to adapt to life and there is nothing wrong with that. But to survive is bad, as you say, tired of surviving.
              Sincerely.
              1. 0
                19 February 2019 22: 37
                I repeat, I won’t agitate for the Soviet Power .. You scare the Maidan all the time (which means this word I don’t know, the action is known). And the more often you repeat it (Maidan) I get the impression that it’s you who are afraid of it, that such an event can happen just for you.
                I always said and say that together it is always easier to solve complex problems, but ... now we are in all kinds of disputes, but what's the point ??? From December to February, the Leaders met FOUR !!! times. Hockey, skiing, drinking some tea, but ... NOT ONE statement
                about or about whom
                - what have you come to
                -to someone who owes or owes ...
                We suppose, and the Lord has ... That's it ...
  6. +13
    19 February 2019 06: 14
    I was waiting for an article on this topic. And I was extremely shocked that if it were not for Victor, it would have remained unnoticed by the topic of the site. .In the meantime, the news is stunning. I will not dance with figs in my fists and the words "nakosya take a bite of European integration." I am translating for the dull "European integration" means the loss of state sovereignty, the impoverishment of the bulk of the population and, in the long run, leads to a complete collapse and loss of the number of living citizens. There is much more to add, these are the main points. So, if the peoples of Russia and Belarus decide to unite in a referendum together into a single state. Personally, I'll just be happy.
    1. +6
      19 February 2019 07: 27
      You might think that Russian integration will make Belarusians happy! From one swamp to another. And how many more officials will be added. to feed them!
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 08: 29
        Quote: kuz363
        You might think that Russian integration will make Belarusians happy!

        But here we are not talking about happiness. Here we are talking about SURVIVAL. Belarusians are only 10 million. In the modern world, small nations themselves cannot exist. They will have to choose where to lean. When joining Russia, they retain their identity. When oriented to the West, they will disappear, dissolve in the western sexless aggressive world. In five to ten years, the dominant language in these territories will be English.
        For example, the Baltics, Georgia, and now even "Ukraine", with its 35 million population, has neither its own politics, nor industry, nor culture. The population is degenerating, running away in search of a better life. But less than 30 years have passed when life flourished in these territories. In fact, feudalism has returned to the former Central Asian republics. What will happen in another 30 years? The collective WEST will swallow up these artificial fragments of Russia.
        1. +3
          19 February 2019 09: 20
          Oh, come on, bistrov! There are more than a hundred million of us, Russians, and we were long ago and skillfully "dissolved", so much so that you will not find traces in any documents. And the Belarusians ... Well, maybe at least the Belarusians will not be affected if they join. We have non-Russian nationalities in high esteem. These are at least really fraternal people.
          1. +1
            19 February 2019 16: 53
            Quote: depressant
            and we have long ago and skillfully been "dissolved",

            In the Baltics, the issue of assimilation of Russians is a matter of time, the same goes for "ukraine", teaching in schools began only with "mov", or leave, or not send children to school, or let your children become "Ukrainians", then perhaps they will come to you with weapons in their hands, which will you choose?
            Quote: depressant
            We have non-Russian nationalities held in high esteem.

            All nationalities in Russia are equal, all citizens of Russia, all have equal rights, I don’t understand what you mean?
            1. 0
              19 February 2019 18: 18
              Quote: bistrov.
              All nationalities in Russia are equal,

              This is just a theory actively promoted by the government of the Russian Federation.
    2. -1
      19 February 2019 22: 10
      This is exactly the article, and what they talked about, what they agreed on? There are no statements from either your side or ours. The official is silent, really !!!
  7. +3
    19 February 2019 06: 17
    And the second question. And why should Belarusians? They maneuver perfectly between us and Europe, they live quite well and stable. If the question is in the Maidan, then I think that Lukashenko has enough will to prevent a revolution. I do not see the prerequisites for unification. Maybe someone else thinks?
    1. -2
      19 February 2019 06: 27
      I agree. It is also unclear why the Russians need this? From the feeling of puppy delight?
      1. +8
        19 February 2019 08: 40
        Dr. Hub (Dmitry)
        And the second question. And why Belarusians

        Waddimm (Vadim)
        I agree. It is also unclear why the Russians need this?

        Unification is necessary for the Russian people, as the Belarusians are the torn off part of the Russian people. There will be a unification of two parts into a single whole and both parts of the Russian world will need it equally. In addition, the union is also necessary for Belarusians for economic reasons. Otherwise, they expect a complete collapse of the economy.
        1. -1
          20 February 2019 06: 09
          Quote: populist
          There will be a unification of two parts into a single whole and both parts of the Russian world will need it equally.

          It is necessary, because it is necessary! That is your answer.
          Everything is clear with Belarus. Why is this for Russia?
    2. +2
      19 February 2019 11: 34
      So their strait narrows. Ours promise losses in the economy from a tax maneuver, and soon they will sign a new gas contract (old tales, we are allies, are broken up in questions of support for the Russian Federation from the BR in the international arena and Russian bases in the territory of independent Belarus). Europe also has no particular desire to date another former republic. This is the government of BR and understood that rescue attempts have begun
    3. +2
      19 February 2019 13: 29
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      And the second question. And why should Belarusians? They maneuver perfectly between us and Europe, they live quite well and stable.

      Maneuver while giving maneuver. Stable - maybe not bad - a moot point.
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      I do not see the prerequisites for unification. Maybe someone else thinks?

      The premise is one. There will be no more money in exchange for kisses. Hard times.
    4. +4
      19 February 2019 13: 34
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      And the second question. And why should Belarusians? They perfectly maneuver between us and Europe, they live quite well and stable

      But because it will not be possible to maneuver further. Medvedev has already warned Lukashenka several times that further games in a sovereign state will be played only at his own expense: sovereign prices are for a sovereign state. Further sponsoring the "ally", which for ten years did not support Russia, was recognized as economically inexpedient - and so already in the oil field alone, more than forty billion dollars were spent on the "Belarusian project".
    5. +1
      19 February 2019 20: 55
      Energy resources are the first, jobs (even though nothing currently interferes), railway infrastructure and motorways, rolling stock look in Belarus still the Soviet legacy mainly, wages will grow in Russia, they are still higher.
      And to be the largest country on the globe is also not a little (not a small and proud little laurel little thing between ebhhhh, but still a huge, self-sufficient nation by the nation).
  8. +6
    19 February 2019 06: 21
    I don’t know how it will be ... But a little touch, very small ... from this year Belarusian football players playing in Russia have ceased to be considered legionnaires, as well as Russian football players playing in Belarus ..
    1. +7
      19 February 2019 07: 50
      Quote: parusnik
      From this year Belarusian football players playing in the Russian Federation ceased to be considered legionnaires

      this is only because of tightening the limit of legionnaires in the RPL !!!!! Only because of this!!!!!
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 12: 44
        The conversation that Belarusians should not be considered legionnaires has been going on since the creation of the state, that limit has been applied to legionnaires 3 years ago .. Belarusians in the championship can be counted on the fingers .. Brazilians are an order of magnitude more .. but such a decision was made not long ago .. A strange coincidence .. is not it ..
    2. +5
      19 February 2019 12: 30
      Quote: parusnik
      Since this year, Belarusian footballers playing in Russia have ceased to be considered legionnaires, as well as Russian footballers playing in Belarus ..

      Then everyone who wants to unite needs to join the players.
      1. +3
        19 February 2019 12: 39
        good Exactly... smile hi
  9. +16
    19 February 2019 06: 21
    .. Before the new year I was on a business trip in Belarus, and I live on the border with it, the people are the same, the mentality is the same ... the border post is only from our side, the Belarusians removed their own several years ago ... they are checking documents "conditionally "... and then our post was put up after the events of the 14th year in Ukraine ... it strains one thing roaming, and both sides have long been dissatisfied with this ... we have here who has a Mother, who has a son-in-law, who has a friend they live there and driving across the border is a weekly affair ... and yet ... while driving through the territory of Belarus, I noticed one lack of "plates" ... because they have a "number" for a long time, we have been looking at them here for a long time ... and by the way half Our channels ... something like this ... I'm for unification, although of course I don't want our bureaucrats to warm their paws ... but unification seems to me inevitable ...
  10. +13
    19 February 2019 06: 24
    Big doubts about the possibility of unification, and even more so
    Belarus should “enter the Russian Federation in six regions”
    I do not believe that from Moscow such a proposal could be voiced after 27 years of sovereign Belarus.
  11. +1
    19 February 2019 06: 25
    I would like to unite. We should be together, I still remember the Union ... But it was too aggravated - shrimp, oil, gas at Smolensk prices, etc. etc.
    1. +2
      19 February 2019 06: 37
      I can understand the entry into the Russian Federation, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, the clouds are spinning around them, and Belarus is why. If I were a Belarusian, I would not want to be a vassal of some uncle. Again, everything that is bad with us will be there. Imagine that you are now connected to someone by regions.
      1. -6
        19 February 2019 07: 37
        Being in good company is more pleasant than with a chef in a restaurant. One must accept the invitation - they may not be invited the second time.
        1. +10
          19 February 2019 11: 27
          Quote: Victor N
          Being in good company is more pleasant than with a chef in a restaurant. One must accept the invitation - they may not be invited the second time.

          Chubais, Gref, Nabiulina, Deripaska, Kadyrov, Sechin, Rotenberg, others is this in your opinion a good company? God forbid such a company.
          1. -5
            19 February 2019 12: 07
            "Chubais, Gref, Nabiulina, Deripaska, Kadyrov, Sechin" And what are they - today they are, and tomorrow they are not.
            1. +2
              19 February 2019 18: 22
              Quote: Vadim237
              And what they are - today they are, and tomorrow they are not.

              With the existing system will be, only with other surnames.
            2. 0
              19 February 2019 21: 29
              Alas, they are and all the time they want to eat ...
          2. +1
            19 February 2019 13: 26
            The personalities listed by you are not the whole of Russia and the Russian people
            1. -2
              19 February 2019 15: 46
              That's right: in Russia they always knew how to walk. As for the "oligarchs" - this is a fictional horror story from ancient times. But you can't do without them. And whether there will be in Belarus able to measure themselves with those named is a big question.
  12. +4
    19 February 2019 06: 31
    The old man Kabaev decided to repeat the second Crimea ... But there is a small nuance ... Belarusians are against .. there is no Crimea with its 99.% for, and there are 80% against
    1. -2
      19 February 2019 08: 08
      Did you count them all? 80%? And then in a company of ten people, one vote, this is 1 percent. About ten to twenty people show off on tutbai from strength, and you think that this is all the people?
    2. +5
      19 February 2019 09: 48
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      The old man Kabaev decided to repeat the second Crimea ... But there is a small nuance ... Belarusians are against .. there is no Crimea with its 99.% for, and there are 80% against

      I completely agree that Belarusians will be the last fools if they agree to lie under Putin's gang. They are not Chechens, they didn’t slaughter the Russians, nobody will give them money, but they will plunder the industry, they will ruin agriculture for the sake of the miratorg and they will be left with nothing.
      1. -4
        19 February 2019 10: 37
        Quote: Egorchik
        they plunder industry, they will ruin agriculture for the sake of the miratorg and they will remain with nothing.

        Well, just a quote from the State Department manual. For completeness of perception, we end with O. Bender's phrase "abroad will help us."
        1. +7
          19 February 2019 11: 13
          Quote: vvvjak

          Well, just a quote from the State Department manual. For completeness of perception, we end with O. Bender's phrase "abroad will help us."

          Yes, it’s all the State Department’s fault, the State Department raised its retirement age, the State Department introduces new taxes, the State Department raises gas prices, the State Department destroys all the State Department science and education. Vova is not at all involved in business.
          1. -2
            19 February 2019 11: 45
            Quote: Egorchik
            Quote: vvvjak

            Well, just a quote from the State Department manual. For completeness of perception, we end with O. Bender's phrase "abroad will help us."

            Yes, it’s all the State Department’s fault, the State Department raised its retirement age, the State Department introduces new taxes, the State Department raises gas prices, the State Department destroys all the State Department science and education. Vova is not at all involved in business.

            Actually, I answer from the side of Belarusians. And in our country, all the so-called oppositionists have been telling the people for 20 years about how "evil Russian oligarchs" will come and buy up our independence and how the West will help us solve all our problems. And here Vova, I did not understand. And read about the situation in Belarus in my "comments" below. And don't be so "hysterical".
            1. +2
              19 February 2019 18: 28
              Quote: vvvjak
              how "evil Russian oligarchs" will come

              Have you already forgotten the Uralkali case? wink
    3. 0
      19 February 2019 10: 05
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      The old man Kabaev decided to repeat the second Crimea ... But there is a small nuance ... Belarusians are against .. there is no Crimea with its 99.% for, and there are 80% against

      Are you a Belarusian yourself? Where is the "infa" about 80% interesting? Or maybe I'm no longer Belarusian or live in the wrong Belarus? Already completely lost.
  13. +15
    19 February 2019 06: 37
    I think a tricky move. Association in one state with a new name. So much for Putin again, the president of the new state for another two terms. You can say for life.
    1. +7
      19 February 2019 07: 12
      They said about the new name and now there is no peace))))
    2. +6
      19 February 2019 07: 30
      Moreover, it will not be the people who will choose, but officials of the State Duma and the Belarusian parliament. And the people will take note. Accordingly, they will draw up a new constitution.
    3. +3
      19 February 2019 07: 39
      So what?! "Paris is worth the mass."
      1. +10
        19 February 2019 08: 30

        So what?! "Paris is worth the mass."
        This is for the king. What is the use of the people? Forgive the pension increase and again jump over the rake. All the same, the “Crimean effect” will not be repeated. The authorities have already shown that the people for her are the second oil.
    4. +4
      19 February 2019 08: 03
      And the rating will take off again.
    5. -3
      19 February 2019 13: 00
      And what ? Newton's law discovered in a new way? Does it make you personally sick? Or will you also panic only when Putin leaves with the gang? Then there is nothing to wait for. Kuev to you in the form of a capital ..
  14. +13
    19 February 2019 06: 38
    To venture a leapfrog with a union state, passing it off as a “new USSR” or even some kind of renewed Russia, means provoking regional elites in Kazan, Grozny or Yakutsk
    But what about the Russians? We do not like upholding the rights of sexual minorities, but what is better when the rights of national minorities are defended to the detriment of the majority?
    1. +9
      19 February 2019 07: 43
      Quote: Alex66
      And what about the Russians?
      Well, if “it means provoking the regional elites in Kazan, Grozny or Yakutsk into yet another struggle for“ sovereignty ”, then why was such“ sovereignty ”given inside Russia at all? There is Russia, you live in it, and forget your "stans". It could have been so, but, with the suggestion of Yeltsin, parochial nationalism and parochial selfishness at the expense of Russia, received a second start in life. If the division of Russia into union republics in the USSR, although it had an initial meaning in the ideology of the brotherhood of peoples, in a century-old union, as an example for the rest ("proletarians of all countries unite"), then this, subsequently, became a mine in the foundation of the USSR, for separatism, nationalism, local selfishness. Now Belarus, which retains at least something of the Soviet under the dad, and Russia with the oligarchs ... Here, either give Belarus to the oligarchs, or in Russia say to the oligarchs - a suitcase, a railway station, London, and Lukashenko for the presidency of socialist Russia ... In any case, this seems to be the most suitable option, both for the people of Russia and for Belarus.
      1. +9
        19 February 2019 08: 34
        I do not understand. Putin likes to refer to Lenin’s bomb. But prevented the president from turning Tatarstan into the Kazan region? And he certainly won’t send the oligarchs anywhere. Not for this A new cake is being baked in the video connection. How many new dough can be cut.
      2. +1
        19 February 2019 19: 29
        Lukashenko as President of Socialist Russia

        When did Lukashenko become a communist? Socialism is the stage of inferior communism. Lukashenko is rather a state capitalist.
        PS. And the USSR was created on the basis of existing independent republics, and not vice versa
        It is unreasonable to repeat nonsense after "what little communists", even if they call themselves "scouts"
    2. +1
      19 February 2019 08: 54
      Alex66 (Alexander)
      To venture a leapfrog with a union state, passing it off as a “new USSR” or even some kind of renewed Russia, means provoking regional elites in Kazan, Grozny or Yakutsk
      But what about the Russians? We do not like upholding the rights of sexual minorities, but what is better when the rights of national minorities are defended to the detriment of the majority?

      I agree with you.
      But the regional elites are poking around from the Kremlin and there are no problems. Otherwise they will follow Arashukov.
  15. 0
    19 February 2019 07: 25
    Reunion is vital! Another option for Belarus will be fatal. But until real steps are not seen - only expectations. There is no great faith in Lukashenko. Therefore, the RESIDENTS of Belarus now need to be as active as possible to force the authorities to reunite.
    1. -2
      19 February 2019 21: 34
      And show how this coercion ???
      Hare to plump !!! Read what you sprinkle ...
      1. +4
        19 February 2019 23: 26
        Quote: VeteranVSSSR
        And show how this coercion ???
        Hare to plump !!! Read what you sprinkle ...

        interesting you are a friend. does it mean that Russians only drink and drink hawthorn? Do you think this is the main difference between Russians and Belarusians? Permach would give you. and his flag is Belarusian, and the nickname is supposedly patriotic. everything is strictly on the manuals, Svidomo brother?
  16. +4
    19 February 2019 07: 26
    Belarus. Ukraine. Russia is one people. One state.
    But today I see no real tendency to reunite. Neither in Moscow. Nor in Kiev nor in Minsk. The ruling elite of our divided people only plans to maintain their own power. The ability to pump resources from our long-suffering people.
    AGLukashenko’s position is understandable. He doesn’t want to put people under Putin. If this is a collapse ... Today Putin is not able to propose a fair, nation-wide project.
    1. +1
      19 February 2019 13: 14
      "Putting the people under Putin." It sounds so scary. The horror is simple. The fact that the country is now alive and leads a sovereign policy is the merit of Putin and this imperfect government. And of course it is a terrible crime to "lay the people" under it.
      1. -2
        19 February 2019 21: 37
        Tracer, maybe not thanks, but contrary to?
        Or maybe thanks to Pete, Vasya, Masha, Dasha?
        1. +1
          20 February 2019 19: 04
          Are you out of your mind? Or already in a stranger?
          1. 0
            20 February 2019 21: 28
            In his ... Or, to the successes of the country, people who are trying to raise the economy with their own labor have nothing to do with it?
            Yes, I forgot that one GDP is sowing and plowing, a coal cuts and bore holes?
            1. 0
              20 February 2019 22: 26
              Do you think that he is obliged to do this ?. Seriously ? Its task is to save you as part of the people so that you sow and reap with coal and anything else. And judging by what you write on the site, he succeeded. This means that he does his work as a whole correctly.
              1. 0
                20 February 2019 23: 47
                And read how you commented on today's message of GDP ... and the Russians write there, and not Belarus (as it was said here, people with the wrong head shape ...)
                1. 0
                  21 February 2019 00: 34
                  In order to understand the message to me, firstly, comments are not needed. Secondly, this is not what this article is about. And thirdly, in protest, you personally can not unite if you like it.
  17. +1
    19 February 2019 07: 44
    I do not see anything negative in the union. Only pluses. The sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus will remain better than anyone else. Trading bonuses will be with them and with us. Production facilities must be cooperated. Relatives of half the country there are half the country here. What other questions may be.
    1. -2
      19 February 2019 12: 09
      And most importantly, we will have our own land corridor for transporting goods and other things to Europe - minus one transit payment.
      1. 0
        19 February 2019 21: 38
        You will have it, but with us?
        1. 0
          20 February 2019 16: 02
          And you - to the east, including your beloved China.
  18. +5
    19 February 2019 07: 56
    Let's combine. Who is the head? Really, the one who did not go out to the people with his program in the last election, but after the election raised the retirement age, VAT and this is not all the nishtyaki he is preparing for the people.
    It is unclear how much silver coins Lukashenko is willing to sell his people? Misha the Marker had enough Bavarian beer.
    No, I'm glad to unite, but not earlier than all the Shuvalovs, Peskov, Rotenbergs, and others from their company will dump to where their children already live.
    1. +5
      19 February 2019 08: 06
      Really, the one who did not go out to the people with his program in the last election, but after the election raised the retirement age, VAT and this is not all the nishtyaki he is preparing for the people.


      He, only here our people have a very short memory, like people in Ukraine. Our leader will be idolized.
    2. +7
      19 February 2019 11: 15
      Quote: Gardamir
      Let's combine. Who is the head? Really, the one who did not go out to the people with his program in the last election, but after the election raised the retirement age, VAT and this is not all the nishtyaki he is preparing for the people.
      It is unclear how much silver coins Lukashenko is willing to sell his people? Misha the Marker had enough Bavarian beer.
      No, I'm glad to unite, but not earlier than all the Shuvalovs, Peskov, Rotenbergs, and others from their company will dump to where their children already live.

      The campaign the persons you named are already in VO will be passed to you.
    3. +1
      19 February 2019 11: 17
      Quote: Gardamir
      and after the election raised the retirement age

      Gradual raising of the retirement age in Belarus since 2016. A tax on "parasitism", an additional toll for motorists, an increase in utility tariffs (as a result, up to 100% reimbursement), a hidden rise in prices (especially after the denomination), an increase in unemployment - enough "nishtyaks" from Alexander Grigorievich for Belarusians.
      1. +5
        19 February 2019 12: 20
        Vladimir, the majority in VO see the Republic of Bashkortostan only as a picture of a "social and just state" where industry is developing, and collective farms are the future, which is eager to destroy, plunder the evil capitalist agricultural holding (the same Miratorg).
        1. -1
          19 February 2019 12: 41
          Quote: skinar
          Vladimir, the majority in VO see the Republic of Bashkortostan only as a picture of a "social and just state" where industry is developing, and collective farms are the future, which is eager to destroy, plunder the evil capitalist agricultural holding (the same Miratorg).

          Yes, I realized that long ago. It's just that the position of some types of "experts" on RB is already annoying. It is not clear that if everything were so fine in the Republic of Belarus, then why do these "gestures" to get closer to the Russian Federation or the European Union at all. What is the point in these associations.
  19. +4
    19 February 2019 08: 04
    I just can’t understand if there really are no oligarchs in Belarus who, when entering the Russian Federation, lose power and money?
    1. +5
      19 February 2019 10: 22
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      Are there really no oligarchs in Belarus who, upon entering the Russian Federation, lose power and money?

      if this happens, there will be confusion. Even Ukrainian oligarchs retained property in Crimea 9 (but not all)
  20. +3
    19 February 2019 08: 14
    Capital is fleeing from Russia, that’s what’s important, but for many it’s so easy to run.
    1. -1
      19 February 2019 12: 11
      It’s not the capital that runs, it’s the investors who take their profit from the investment.
  21. -1
    19 February 2019 08: 33
    Promise a union, get money for it, and then forget everything. This is not only in the spirit of Lukashenko, but something similar already happened.
  22. BAI
    +3
    19 February 2019 09: 08
    What will we leave to the children, how will they continue our policy?

    The whole question is "Whose children?" Your own, or some abstract, so to speak figure of the word? Better if they think about their own. Then they leave a direct reason OWN children a strong rich state. There is a direct, personal interest in the results of work. Financially, they have already provided great-grandchildren, therefore - do they see their children at the head of state?
    1. BAI
      +4
      19 February 2019 09: 31
      Against this background, the following information looks good:
      The list of countries that introduced a ban on Russian goods is as follows. EU (25), Ukraine (22), followed by India (16), Belarus (13), Turkey (12) and the USA (9).
      Belarus is the leader in the prohibitions!
      Although, in fairness:
      According to the Ministry of Economic Development, despite the fact that Minsk introduced a large number of restrictive measures against Russian products, the damage from them is estimated at only $ 42 million.

      1. +3
        19 February 2019 20: 27
        Excuse me, but what specific sanctions did Belarus impose against Russia. How many there, 13 - list, cali weasel smile
        This, by the way, I watched it today on Euronews, I was surprised myself ...
        Belarus is the leader in the prohibitions!
        Personally, I know that this year Rospotrebkontrol ran into our suppliers - a command was given to stop deliveries to Russia from all suspected enterprises. What else, voice it.
        1. +1
          20 February 2019 13: 12
          This is called Statistics Tricks. In another way - I look in the book - I see ... Well, you get the idea. All were united under the concept of "Sanctions". With India, Belarus, these are not sanctions, but the protection of their producers. Comrade trusts Euronews more - God bless him.
          1. 0
            20 February 2019 14: 09
            This is called Statistics Tricks. In another way - I look in a book - I see ... Well, you understand.
            I understood that, but I did not expect such a stuffing from BAI without analysis ... he was asked a question.
  23. +6
    19 February 2019 09: 37
    The article is nonsense. While Crimea is not fully integrated in the Russian Federation, there can be no question of any kind of integration with the Republic of Belarus.
    1. -2
      19 February 2019 12: 14
      As a water main, with a throughput capacity of a billion cubic meters of fresh water per year, is stretched, so the Crimea will be fully integrated.
  24. +5
    19 February 2019 10: 02
    The union in the form of joining is now vryatli supported by the population of the Republic of Belarus and their political elites. Most likely, the union will be political and legal, as in the EU, which will allow the Republic of Belarus to retain either presidential power or change its form to parliamentary-presidential, in which Lukashenko will remain the head of state for life. Taxes will be distributed with their deduction to the federal budget of the union state. Belarus will gain access to all the possibilities of the domestic economy of Russia and on the same rules. Russian business will be able to invest there without significant political risks.
  25. +3
    19 February 2019 10: 12
    So, whatever one may say, it will be optimal to divide Belarus into six regions with their subsequent inclusion in the Russian Federation

    The author, I'm afraid to ask in Belarus, they know about your Napoleonic plans?))
  26. -7
    19 February 2019 10: 19
    Before the engines of the aircraft had cooled down in Minsk, Lukashenko announced his loyalty to the West. What kind of association are you talking about? Belarusian territory is one of the five countries to restrict access to Russian goods and services. Is it an ally? They need cheap oil and gas and are spoiled right there. It’s not surprising to me, because I know the mentality of Belarusians. This is theirs.
    The sooner this union "state", created on paper, will fall apart, the better. Russia will stop subsidizing double-dealing and dependents. Let them go to Europe. They are dear.
    I never buy anything Belarusian, I do not want to maintain the independence.
    1. 0
      19 February 2019 23: 39
      A couple of years ago I read an article here on Belarus, which is called an ally. There it was written in sufficient detail why Belarus is not an ally, but a partner. The union implies not only trade relations, but also military ones. The Chechen war, Syria, and Abkhazia were cited as an example. Where RB did not support us allied. Unfortunately, I don’t remember who the author is. I have nothing wrong with the Republic of Belarus, and I am entirely and completely for the union, not the trade partnership.
  27. +7
    19 February 2019 10: 21
    So, you need to hurry.

    You must hurry up slowly. Everything is fine on paper, but forget about the ravines
  28. +2
    19 February 2019 10: 29
    What is the state? The state is a union of people for its survival. Can Russia survive without Belarus? Can. Can Belarus survive without Russia? Not. But the West needs Belarus as a territory and people to fight with Russia. Events in Ukraine have clearly shown this. In order for the Belarusians to survive and maintain their identity, the unification of Russia and Belarus is inevitable.
  29. +2
    19 February 2019 10: 32
    I missed something somewhere, somehow I don't understand how you can "enter Russia" by 6 regions? Sign in half ....
    1. +2
      19 February 2019 13: 00
      And this idea was voiced by Putin and was picked up by Zhirinovsky back in those days when Putin inherited Russia from Yeltsin.
      It was meant that once Belarus in the Russian Empire was in the form of 5 provinces, which, in turn, merged into two governor-generals: Belorussian (Vitebsk, Mogilev) and Lithuanian (Vilenskaya, Grodno and Minsk provinces).
      In the modern sense, the Republic of Belarus should become part of Russia as 6 regions with rights in each region, for example, in the Smolensk region.
      Belarusians really do not want to enter in this form.
      But the Russian leadership really does not want to recreate something like the USSR or expand the number of republics within the federation because, as experience has shown, this is a big headache.
      Somewhere like that.
      I hope you understand the complexity of the situation.
      1. 0
        19 February 2019 21: 46
        The Republic of Ichkeria is? Is!
        The Grozny province eats? No !!!
        Is there a Tatar republic? There is!
        Is there a Kazan province? No !!!
        Continue???
        1. +2
          20 February 2019 13: 13
          Do not whimper. You will be a resident of the Principality of Lithuania. Arranges?
          1. 0
            20 February 2019 21: 37
            Ger general, I don’t need to advise me and I won’t tell you where to go, although according to the comments you were already there ...
      2. 0
        23 February 2019 00: 18
        In fact, the more entities in the federation, and the smaller they are, the more this federation is centralized and easier to manage.
  30. +5
    19 February 2019 12: 01
    It is necessary to hold a referendum in Belarus itself. What will show the result, then create! You will not be forcibly sweet ...
  31. +3
    19 February 2019 12: 47
    All right
    It is high time to "collect your spans and crumbs."
    1. 0
      20 February 2019 21: 38
      Namesake, when you start to scratch the bottom of the barrel, some freaks turn out to be a bun, then ...
  32. -1
    19 February 2019 13: 32
    It’s ridiculous to read you Russians that there are no Belarusians and you might want to join you. Look for fools ... You would first put things in order, and then expand the empire :)
    1. 0
      20 February 2019 09: 30
      Yes, it's not even about Russia, it's about Belarus itself, or rather, in its somewhat "suspended" state. It may even be convenient, but the problem is that it cannot be permanent. The whole world is built on alliances and you still have to choose where to go with the "6 regions", even to the right or to the left, all the same.
    2. +1
      20 February 2019 21: 45
      Sergey 49, how could it be that Belarusians are not here, but are we obliged to join?
  33. 0
    19 February 2019 14: 20
    And what are the prospects for Putin and Lukashenko in the future? To preserve his power, Lukashenko is interested in preserving Putin’s power, because it is not known what policy the other president will pursue in relation to Belarus. Putin, too, I think is not going to retire after the end of his presidency. So in itself, some kind of union begs it.
    This may be a formal union with a nominal president, the same Putin.
    And after 2024, the presidency, at least in Russia, in order to avoid diarchy, as it was in the Soviet Union with the Secretary General of the CPSU, should be abolished. As a result, Putin remains at the helm of Russia, but Lukashenko naturally belongs to Belarus.
    1. 0
      19 February 2019 15: 49
      Quote: and.afanasjev2018
      And what are the prospects for Putin and Lukashenko in the future?

      Prospects depend on conditions ... and we will not be asked. Alternatively, I think that the head of the Republic of Belarus will be the son of Kolya, on terms like Chechnya. Well, and accordingly, the GDP provides general guidance. In the agreement of association, it will all be written down, and the people will naturally "vote" as it should. The Constitution will be rewritten as it was more than once. IMHO
  34. +1
    19 February 2019 15: 40
    Quote: Cheslav Czursky
    Belarus is Russia, and Belarusians are Russian!

    And Ukraine and Ukrainians?
    1. -3
      19 February 2019 16: 09
      But Ukraine and Ukrainians, let them go through the forest, directly to the EU and NATO, are coming - now their place is there.
      1. +2
        19 February 2019 17: 31
        Quote: Vadim237
        And Ukraine and Ukrainians, let the forest

        The question is not where to go, but who are they, Russian or not?
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    1. +3
      20 February 2019 11: 34
      It is necessary to demand from the administration the genocide of self-advertisers ... If you consider your creations interesting for the readers of "VO", then post them here, for the readers' judgment. And to wind your counter on prose ... Nafik is necessary!
  36. 0
    19 February 2019 18: 45
    If the unification of Belarus and Russia occurs, then it will only benefit both states and their peoples. I am convinced. Yes
  37. 0
    19 February 2019 20: 08
    [i] It is possible that they will also work out a variant with “six regions” that have special rights in Russia. And also, of course, on the basis of the principle of "only recently and voluntarily joined."[
    Analysis - zero ... First: the European Union took the best from the USSR - equality. Some zero Balts have equal rights with the sharks of the European Union (Germany, France, etc.). The Soviet Union was destroyed by four ferrets, for us, who have pumped the collapse, the so-called. The "winning countries" are now imposing sanctions.
    The question is why Russia and Belarus cannot be equal in the composition of the Union State ... And, by the way, because only the RSFSR and the BSSR were donors of the USSR, so statistics show, the rest consumed ...
    And so I will say, sofas-tsss ... without .... sort it out!
  38. 0
    20 February 2019 08: 10
    Quote: Harry.km
    As an option, I think that the head of the Republic of Belarus will be Kolya’s son, under conditions like Chechnya.

    But to read the election code of the Republic of Belarus, in that part, where about the presidential election, you do not fate?
    Requirements:
    - citizen of the Republic of Belarus by birth
    - age not less than 35 years

    Remember better about the oldest son ...
  39. 0
    20 February 2019 09: 40
    And if you cut the powers of the regions, transferring some of them to the level of the Federal District, that is, raise the significance of the Federal District as such, after which Belarus enters as the Federal District (I apologize for the tautology).
  40. +1
    20 February 2019 13: 20
    Well, why can not you live peacefully and together without unification in one country? Belarus is beautiful, I love this country, as I love my Russia. Belarusians need to create a neutral state, to be a bridge between Europe and Russia. It will be beneficial for them. But in a military alliance with Russia. This will ensure the safety of Belarus. But Russia needs to trade with Europe through it.
    1. -1
      20 February 2019 16: 13
      Love the Russian language and folk wisdom! "Simplicity is worse than theft." You cannot receive only gifts from an ally, without giving anything in return.
      1. +1
        20 February 2019 17: 06
        Question - where did I say for gifts and nothing in return? Just to shake and minus shove?
    2. -1
      20 February 2019 21: 00
      The West will not allow Belarus to be neutral. A crusade has been declared against Russia and all means are good.
      1. +1
        20 February 2019 22: 45
        So it means we must not allow the West to touch Belarus. But do not attach it to yourself.
    3. 0
      23 February 2019 00: 21
      A neutral state cannot be with anyone in a military alliance.
  41. 0
    20 February 2019 20: 39
    The right decision. If Lukashenko takes time, he will be eaten as Ukraine.
    The United States will not stop; Their time is inexorably running out, what America is doing is like agony.
  42. -1
    20 February 2019 22: 52
    Autonomous Republic of Belarus
    And Ukraine can be in the regions. And then not all
  43. 0
    22 February 2019 20: 12
    I would vote for unification with both hands, and Lukashenka too. Only he does not understand that with the current corrupt "vertical" of the Russian government Belarus will be taken away in 1 year and there can be no fair elections under the Putin regime. Therefore, he does not allow unification; would have given him to become the president of the united state, but no, how can: Putin's pride will leap ...
  44. 0
    23 February 2019 13: 56
    Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan and other countries will be destroyed. The West will clean everything and build what it needs. The population will be turned into slaves and consumers, who will provide unlimited access to natural resources.
  45. 0
    23 February 2019 21: 55
    While Lukashenko will be president, Belarus will only be independent and not any other.
  46. 0
    24 February 2019 08: 41
    There will not be any kind of association, it is just a linden duck of "cows". the meaning of unification does not see not Lukashenka not us.
  47. 0
    24 February 2019 17: 29
    Sasha, the sovereignty of 6 regions is easy for you, the main thing is to fill your pockets with dolars and take them out of the country. First, solvents, he provided the whole of Europe, and 404, too. Now he took up coal. That's for sure, the money doesn't smell. In 2018, coal exports increased 800 (eight hundred) times. And these are all structures and
    and one-day firms "Semeyki and K", or maybe Bilorussian geologists have found seams of coal, oil and gaaaaz ??? You are like a girl with Tverskaya, both ours and yours
  48. 0
    24 February 2019 19: 14
    The new unification of Russia and Belarus is a strategic plan for world Zion, only the masters of the two countries will be 2 diasporas - the Russian diaspora today is the complete master of the destroyed and plundered Russia - and the Belarusian diaspora, which will quickly also destroy and plunder Belarus, as it was already in Russia .. Father, don't give up! ... Besides, the "eternal president" in 2024 will need to become the new "Russian tsar" - he needs a giant rating in an impoverished, embittered country. It’s somehow not fashionable to become a dictator, in the 21st century, but “tsar” is possible ... Therefore, almost all the central TV and media channels SUDDENLY chorus about the Empire ... The Bolsheviks back in 1917 warned the Russian goyim: we gave you OUR God Jesus Christ - we will give the goyim our king ... What is happening today ...
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