Chemezov: Damaged C-400 missiles for China had to be destroyed

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The C-400 anti-aircraft missiles, damaged during the transportation of the complex to a Chinese customer, were destroyed, and the delivery of new ones will take place after their manufacture. This was told by the head of corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov, writes RBC.

Chemezov: Damaged C-400 missiles for China had to be destroyed




Speaking at a press conference at the IDU-2019 military exhibition in Abu Dhabi, the head of Rostec explained that the contract for the supply of C-400 air defense systems to China was concluded long ago, but during transportation of the complex to China, anti-aircraft guided missiles were damaged during the storm and they had to be destroyed.

Now in Russia, new missiles are being manufactured, which will be sent to the customer instead of damaged ones.
- noted Chemezov.

According to the contract, Russia supplies China with six C-400 divisions with a total value of over 3 billion dollars. 18 was announced on the beginning of the supply on January 2018, however, on January 19, it became known that the ship carrying components to the air defense systems, in the English Channel region, got into a storm, after which part of the equipment was severely damaged. It was decided to return the equipment back to Russia.

The press service of the Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation confirmed the damage to a part of the equipment and clarified that "the undelivered property will be sent to a foreign customer later."

Earlier, Chinese media reported that at one of the military test sites, two test firing of the C-400 ZRS was conducted, during which ballistic and aerodynamic targets were hit. Shooting recognized successful.
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  1. -15
    18 February 2019 17: 22
    And by chance, did the Chinese not hurt them, trying to open it?
    1. +64
      18 February 2019 17: 25
      The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.
      1. -8
        18 February 2019 17: 30
        Hopefully, it’s still the Russian analogue of TAADA. 250 km range. Interception ballistic and not only targets. The Chinese they shot down on the ballistic missile tests at a speed of 3 km / sec.
        1. +4
          18 February 2019 18: 13
          There was some inconsistency in those tests. Here, in VO, they wrote that they hit a ballistic target flying at a speed of 3 km / s and a range of 250 km. At the same time, in all the performance characteristics it is indicated that up to 400 km works on ballistic targets of the S-60. Either the journalists messed up something, or something else.
          1. -3
            18 February 2019 18: 30
            And you do not believe everything that they write. Earlier you wrote that the Caliber flies 300 km, but it turned out that it is 10 times further.
            1. +11
              18 February 2019 18: 43
              Quote: new max
              They used to write that Caliber on 300 km flies

              They wrote for those who cannot read. For those who know, they wrote that 300 km is the caliber range of the anti-ship missiles, and KR is not less than 1500 km or more
              1. mvg
                +3
                19 February 2019 00: 07
                They wrote for those who cannot read.

                I have not seen this ... Klitschko is resting ..
                1. +2
                  19 February 2019 18: 55
                  Quote: mvg
                  I have not seen this ... Klitschko is resting ..

                  Klitschko is resting, looking at people who are unable to master one or two paragraphs of a non-technical text and screaming about 300 km of maximum range of the Kyrgyz Republic Caliber
                  1. mvg
                    +1
                    19 February 2019 19: 00
                    unable to master one or two paragraphs

                    Pupils indulge ... The most important thing is that the people did not understand what it was about ... this is scary. .. and strange
            2. +8
              18 February 2019 19: 37
              Quote: new max
              And you do not believe everything that they write. Earlier you wrote that the Caliber flies 300 km, but it turned out that it is 10 times further.

              In fact, the commander of the Caspian Flotilla announced the real flight range of the "Caliber" on June 7, 2012 - before the flotilla received the first calibrator TFR "Dagestan".
              The test results are positive, ”the fleet commander said. - The ship is not bad, with a modern filling. This is currently the most powerful ship in the arsenal of the Russian fleet. A missile system was installed on it, the firing range of which on surface targets is 375 km, and on a coastal target - up to 2600 km. There are no more such complexes with powerful missile weapons in Russia, only in submarines.

              Just nobody paid attention to it.
            3. KCA
              0
              19 February 2019 01: 26
              Everyone always knew that "Caliber" was "Granat", and everyone knew the performance characteristics, and they knew the range of 2600 km, and KVO
      2. +14
        18 February 2019 17: 30
        Chemezov: Damaged C-400 missiles for China had to be destroyed

        And were there rockets?
        1. +4
          18 February 2019 17: 42
          SRC P-15A were there missiles?

          Sasha. Well, you’re a flyman. They didn’t pave a reefka to China, and the anti-aircraft missile should be impeccable as the wife of Jupiter. Palu the first lines of the ethylene ethylene:
          - The rocket takes off and the target finds the Planet. My Country will save.
          And where it drips from. This is not our question. hi
          1. +15
            18 February 2019 17: 49
            Vova. hi Everything is too rough: if it were my will, I would send missiles to China by plane. Let it be more expensive, but quickly and without problems. And then they were allowed to "sail around the world" ...
            1. -3
              18 February 2019 18: 05
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Vova. hi Everything is too rough: if it were my will, I would send missiles to China by plane. Let it be more expensive, but quickly and without problems. And then they were allowed to "sail around the world" ...

              It was possible on its own, there is no customer, no complaints, and this is even faster than an airplane.
              1. +2
                18 February 2019 18: 13
                Quote: Grigory B
                It was possible on its own, there is no customer, no complaints, and this is even faster than an airplane.

                Not to China! Here in the "foggy albion" or for the "puddle" - I agree, but far, will not reach (as well as in China).
                1. +2
                  19 February 2019 05: 21
                  Yeah! This "foggy" gadyushnik has been asking for three hundred years ...
            2. -1
              18 February 2019 19: 27
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Everything is too rude: if it were my will, I would send missiles to China by plane.
              . Oh Alexander. Well this is our deployment of S-400 in Syria. Two Silts bully Fast and merciless. Not well. Like a decent cross border air defense. With Natural Green-In-Law - Friend World chewing gum. . I hit the pinball in the gap
              1. +2
                18 February 2019 19: 48
                Quote: Tusv
                Fast and merciless.

                As far as I know, rocket technology has a limited transportation resource.
                1. 0
                  18 February 2019 20: 07
                  Quote: Spade
                  As far as I know, rocket technology has a limited transportation resource.

                  It could be. We live in a different guise. Ours Attack Us and We destroy them. It's hard to understand, but Nada remember
                  . Teachings !. And really. Imagine the teachings of Nato vs Our Sun. There are no ships of the first rank. There are a lot of hunters at the USA. Ours, well, the cat cried. Attention!!! Question Why aren’t they attacking us?
              2. 0
                19 February 2019 01: 30
                I also love to get into the sex gap!
                1. 0
                  19 February 2019 02: 58
                  Quote: Kot28
                  I also love to get into the sex gap!

                  Already get from your Patriot to the Boar at least, and not to the hand
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2019 03: 12
                    Ha ha :) I can get into the hand!
        2. -3
          18 February 2019 17: 43
          What do you mean?
          1. +8
            18 February 2019 17: 53
            Quote: new max
            What do you mean?

            I think they deliberately delay the delivery. And for what reason - this is a big question and it is not for us to answer it. Yes
            1. -3
              18 February 2019 17: 58
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: new max
              What do you mean?

              I think they deliberately delay the delivery. And for what reason - this is a big question and it is not for us to answer it. Yes

              Intrigues of the Madrid Courtyard. Do not want amers ahead of time to introduce the S-400 through China?
              1. +2
                18 February 2019 18: 04
                Quote: new max
                Intrigues of the Madrid Courtyard. Do not want amers ahead of time to introduce the S-400 through China?

                Rather, not to run into fines or forfeit.
              2. 0
                18 February 2019 20: 18
                they’ll introduce us through Turkey, most likely they don’t want Chinese HUKY400 for 3 rubles each
            2. AUL
              +2
              18 February 2019 18: 02
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              I think they deliberately delay the delivery.

              Also, such an idea arose immediately. Perhaps for some political reasons. Well, we’ll hardly know the details.
              1. +1
                18 February 2019 22: 04
                Quote from AUL
                Well, we’ll hardly know the details.

                Yeah. Watch your hands: you see - these are rockets. We count - 1, 2, 3 ... 17. Fut! Netu! Hocus Pocus! And now the rockets appear .... appear ... in ...
                1. 0
                  19 February 2019 13: 15
                  I literally copy from Telegram, it's up to you to decide whether or not.
                  This is from Nikita Krichevsky, I don’t know, maybe something similar was voiced below, I haven’t read it yet:
                  'Everything that will be written below is just the author's version, a look at the information about the S-400 missiles allegedly caught in a storm and therefore hastily destroyed.
                  To begin with, the question is: why did the ship with missiles leave for China not from Vladivostok or Nakhodka, but from Ust-Luga? There is no exact answer? Then we read an interview with the Venezuelan ruler Maduro:
                  “In terms of military cooperation, we have Russian equipment of the highest level, the most modern weapons systems are in Venezuela, they are well deployed, all our staff is working, he was trained in Russia. We have very good relations in terms of military cooperation with Putin ... We always have plans for advancement in cooperation in order to improve air defense, artillery, and rocketry. We will always move forward here. And the most modern weapons in the world will arrive in Venezuela. It arrives every month, every month there is cooperation. And this is normal, there is nothing extraordinary. ”
                  Don't you think that the S-400s were not damaged and were not subsequently destroyed, but by agreement with China, they safely reached Venezuela? Doesn't this explain the refusal of Trump and his entourage from a military settlement of the intra Venezuelan conflict? '
                  1. +1
                    19 February 2019 18: 15
                    well, very likely
        3. 0
          18 February 2019 18: 23
          And were there rockets?

          Do you think they leaked it to someone else?
        4. 0
          20 February 2019 17: 49
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And were there rockets?

          And is Venezuela on the wrong side?
      3. +2
        18 February 2019 17: 40
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

        trade with China is stormy, all roads are clogged with baggers
      4. +5
        18 February 2019 17: 48
        a good question however ... but why by the sea ??? ... Yes, and the dimensions for the transfer of railway are sharpened ...
        1. +4
          18 February 2019 18: 22
          Quote: silberwolf88
          a good question however ... but why by the sea ??? ... Yes, and the dimensions for the transfer of railway are sharpened ...

          Why not to Venezuela? After all, both our and Chinese interests are suffering there! And where exactly, it’s probably not known to God himself!
          1. 0
            19 February 2019 13: 18
            Why not to Venezuela? After all, both our and Chinese interests are suffering there!

            ((I didn’t read up to here, I hurried. Above I gave the version of Nikita Krichevsky.
      5. +3
        18 February 2019 18: 01
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

        Everything is simple, the cheapest form of transport. Once, from Japan, the cars drove and fell into a storm, the minibus waved the roof to the wheels before the van, and the frame of the truck in half.
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      6. +7
        18 February 2019 18: 05
        you compare the railway tariff, it’s draconian. I know, I bought cement for work with turntables ... There’s a lot of great things, but in the Urals I’ve got a penny, I’m ready to drop the plant. But .. then the railway comes out and breaks the tariff so that I can take it every two muzzles of cement, or some other Volsky, Shebekinsky
        1. +2
          18 February 2019 20: 26
          this is for you "Vasya" - the tariffs are twisting, and this is the sale of weapons there can twist coca and Volodya and Seryozha
      7. +2
        18 February 2019 18: 07
        there is still a moment. Marine transport is an island and it’s difficult to do something with the aim of sabotage all the way. Railway is another matter, we need an escort company. They didn’t open it ..
        1. -2
          18 February 2019 20: 23
          think with your own head, is it easier to sink in the sea-okane? or in your own country to drive away by train, who will open you here? daddy is okay, even if they open it, where?
      8. mvg
        +2
        18 February 2019 18: 19
        Over 4000 cypriot borders with China

        Well, if from the Obukhov plant, then why not by the sea. I loaded the containers, and insured everything. You’re not responsible for anything. Another thing, what kind of ship, if it was so chatted? I feel the hand of the MO, something is not saying.
      9. +2
        18 February 2019 18: 44
        cheaper by sea, and then the Russian Railways, as if an enemy to us.
        1. 0
          18 February 2019 20: 58
          Russian statesman and manager. General Director - Chairman of the Board of Russian Railways. Wikipedia
          Born: September 26, 1969 (49 years old), Ventspils, Latvian SSR,
          Belozerov Oleg Valentinovich - an agent, someone
      10. +4
        18 February 2019 19: 52
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        The reason is in the storm.
        Yeah ... Sorry I couldn't get the weather out of the English Channel on 19.01.2019 ... to confirm my suspicion ...
        But it’s not a secret that ZURs follow in TPK. That when loading we will thoroughly check the fastenings in a storm-like way for every sailor ... So what are we going to do now with the 3 assistant captain !? belay
        In short, utter nonsense. am
        Apparently the reason is something else. And then - "destroyed" - it's like !? Maybe simpler: disassembled into components ... to restore damaged parts of the product, check "bookmarks", for some other reason. This will be closer to the "body". But who will say about it! bully
        1. +1
          18 February 2019 20: 59
          ONIUTONOULI - suitable option?
        2. 0
          20 February 2019 10: 42
          Alexander
          So what are we going to do with the 3rd assistant captain !?
          not with the 3rd, but with the second assistant. The second is responsible for the placement of cargo on the ship and loading facilities, the third for navigation equipment, maps and other crap affecting the safety of navigation. The shift is carried out in three shifts, in a place with the start-up in turn. The captain on the bridge appears without fail only during an alarm. Approach departure from the mooring wall and narrow passage. Something like this, it seems that I have not forgotten anything. hi
      11. 0
        18 February 2019 20: 06
        Immediately it occurred to me while reading. Strange logistics.
      12. +1
        18 February 2019 21: 16
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

        shipping started not doing yesterday.
        I think when transporting such an expensive cargo packaging is serious
      13. 0
        18 February 2019 21: 35
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

        And even for some reason, not along the Northern Sea Route, but across the Atlantic!
      14. +2
        18 February 2019 21: 37
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

        Billions buried. Rather, drowned in the sea, we have nowhere to go, pensions like deputies ...
      15. 0
        19 February 2019 02: 59
        and if the car went off the rail without a ship and a storm, what would you say
      16. 0
        19 February 2019 03: 25
        There would be no storm in the English Channel during the passage of Cape Horn, an emergency would have occurred.
      17. 0
        19 February 2019 15: 35
        And moreover, through the English Channel, they did not find any closer.
      18. 0
        20 February 2019 01: 37
        ... not frays, so sores, not diarrhea, so scrofula - everything is as always - where the sea = the laws of the universe are cursed on our * hydro-galaxies * do not work ...
      19. 0
        20 February 2019 10: 30
        Shipping by sea is a normal practice. Then, somehow, we received a batch of Chinese "Trickle" type pumps, they began to sell them, marriage is marriage. We began to understand, we open a new pump in the warehouse, and water flows from it. Then they found out that the container ship got into a storm and the wave covered the container. The question is, who will be responsible for such a mess in the department of Mr. Chemezov (also a friend of the Guarantor). Was the cargo worth hundreds of millions of dollars, transported like ordinary pumps? Someone saved on logistics, received bonuses, and we will compensate the taxpayers for the damage and prestige?
    2. -1
      18 February 2019 17: 29
      Quote: new max
      And by chance, did the Chinese not hurt them, trying to open it?

      During the storm they were damaged ... probably they were delivered to China by the NSR ... With such "EM" anything is possible ...
      1. +3
        18 February 2019 17: 44
        From Portugal?
      2. mad
        +2
        18 February 2019 18: 00
        Quote: the most important
        probably by SMP they were delivered to China

        Have you read the article?
        On January 19, it became known that a ship carrying components to an air defense system in the English Channel got into a storm
        1. +2
          18 February 2019 18: 07
          Quote: mad
          Have you read the article?
          On January 19, it became known that a ship carrying components to an air defense system in the English Channel got into a storm

          Immersed in Sochi, the Turkish straits-Gibraltar-English Channel (storm) -SMP and a little more in China! I’m not at all surprised that this was exactly what they were doing. Do you think the delivery was the most rational? In vain! I do not believe that Chemez does not sleep at night and thinks about the greatness of the country.
    3. 0
      18 February 2019 19: 21
      It is written - damaged during transportation. And if they open it, they will not learn anything new. The export option is much simpler in characteristics.
    4. +2
      18 February 2019 19: 36
      Storms in the North Atlantic do not subside from fall to spring, but trucking has continued despite periodic incidents. Transportation of specific cargoes by railroad can be longer and more expensive than by sea.
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 21: 03
        but surely they will reach and not get into a `` storm '' as a truck that once transported weapons to bearded men to Syria broke down in bad weather, so to speak
  2. +12
    18 February 2019 17: 27
    There are railways from gate to gate, what kind of STEAMS ??? Why then not a spaceship ??? What nonsense across half the world on the STEAM PASS !!! Before you lie, you should at least think what you're carrying
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  3. +2
    18 February 2019 17: 28
    The moment of receipt of products for study is put off
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 17: 43
      Is it often stormy in the Black Sea? And then this year Turkey should have delivered the S-400.
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 21: 05
        just in the World Cup you can put in the convoy from the 'storm' - 'curtains'
  4. +10
    18 February 2019 17: 28
    I don’t get it. The length of the Russian-Chinese border is 4000 km. with a hook! Why the hell did you have to shove the sea? what
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 19: 22
      So maybe they (missiles) didn’t go to China wink ! A storm, etc. for an alibi hi
  5. maw
    +8
    18 February 2019 17: 28
    And what, by rail is impossible? Or oversized?
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 19: 07
      And what, by rail is impossible? Or oversized?
      Maybe the divisions themselves and oversize, which is debatable. But the missiles could already be sent by rail directly.
  6. +6
    18 February 2019 17: 29
    English Channel
    , and exactly transported to China? maybe by train it was closer to China from Russia.
  7. +1
    18 February 2019 17: 31
    If their MZiK does, I will not be surprised at marriage, for example.
  8. +10
    18 February 2019 17: 33
    Quote: new max
    And by chance, did the Chinese not hurt them, trying to open it?

    They are who else. one and a half million Chinese were brought with flippers and masks, placed them at the bottom in the English Channel and when our ship began to pass through the channel, they raised a wave. While these one and a half million waved another 200 thousand, they secretly entered a bulk carrier, secretly tried to open it and damaged it, and then they blamed Moscow for everything ...

    Can it be enough to come up with conspiracy theories? There was a storm with all its consequences. Less to you for a rather stupid post
    1. -2
      18 February 2019 17: 40
      You are a plus for a fairly "smart" post.
  9. +6
    18 February 2019 17: 33
    Really the cargo (rockets) could not be secured properly in the holds and on the deck. What kind of kindergarten?
    1. mvg
      +4
      18 February 2019 18: 21
      secure in holds and on deck

      Well, yes, at least they would have laid cardboard ... but how they are driving potatoes ...
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 21: 08
      and you think that loaders from the bazaar immersed and fastened there, well
  10. +5
    18 February 2019 17: 37
    I wanted to see on the map the route of transporting missiles through the English Channel ...
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 21: 08
      maybe you’ll check the cargo at the same time, suddenly there’s rubber
  11. 0
    18 February 2019 17: 41
    Why in half the world? Tested through the Northern Sea Route, not so far.
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 19: 05
      Quote: sir_obs
      Why in half the world? Tested through the Northern Sea Route, not so far.

      The NSR section, or rather the eastern Arctic, is actually “closed” for shipping from December to April.
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 05: 34
        And so in a hurry? Is it faster to get through the English Channel again? Is it interesting that in the spring our NSR is used to deliver this cargo?

        Or again, as in the saying: "For a mad dog, a hundred kilometers is not a" hook "!
        1. 0
          19 February 2019 14: 44
          when will we start to count money? not in the USSR - everything is Soviet, everything is mine! So much money will be taken for wiring a caravan that it bursts into flames instantly.
          Therefore, caravans are only for delivery when there is a heap of one icebreaker per dozen ships. Otherwise, private traders would have long held their ships and traded ..
          1. 0
            19 February 2019 18: 19
            But the Chineytsy go to Yamal for gas and every month they drive here and they would ship missiles to them, and this is nonsense
  12. +1
    18 February 2019 17: 42
    "... anti-aircraft missiles were damaged during the storm and had to be destroyed."
    I would not be surprised if flooded during a storm ...
    After such "destruction" you can no longer work ...
  13. +6
    18 February 2019 17: 50
    I did not understand one, but WHY was it to ship rockets to China by ship across seven seas and 2 hounds? if there is a good old railway?
    1. +2
      18 February 2019 20: 12
      Quote: dgonni
      Why was the ship carrying missiles to China across seven seas and 2 okayan? if there is a good old railway?

      Do you seriously believe that China was engaged in "self-delivery" of products !? belay
      International transactions are carried out on a turnkey basis! The buyer comes and accepts weapons, ready for battle, and is not engaged in "assembling a constructor for adults!"
      Therefore, China has absolutely nothing to do with it! This is the supplier's "jamb" ... But most likely, the "Chinese" missiles are already attached to Venezuela ...
      So, everything is tip-top. It remains to wait a bit for the Yankees to cry about the "hand of Moscow"! Yes
      1. 0
        19 February 2019 09: 26
        You can guess 100500 times. But.
        1. No one saw the terms of the contract.
        2. Maybe the Chinese themselves wanted the sea.
        3. Maybe they need a load not in Haihe, but in Guangzhou.
    2. 0
      18 February 2019 21: 11
      there are many of them, the question must be asked — who should I ask now?
      1. +1
        18 February 2019 22: 34
        The insurance company will pay first

        And in the end, you pay, because insurance lives through fees and payments from all its customers
  14. +6
    18 February 2019 17: 51
    Nichrome imagine logistics-have a railway connection and the seaport of Vladik to send missiles to China around the world.
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 19: 17
      yes compare you railway tariff finally .. with sea and military cargo safety
      1. +4
        18 February 2019 20: 34
        Yeah, at the common border, send by sea and across half the world-recklessness is straight and rushing from all cracks. They handed over at the border crossing and there let the Chinese themselves be safe.
  15. +7
    18 February 2019 17: 56
    Not so long ago, Chemezov bought an apartment in the center of Moscow for 5 rubles. Coincidence? No. request
    1. +4
      18 February 2019 18: 02
      Has his neighbors from above not flooded it yet?
      1. +2
        18 February 2019 21: 45
        Do not flood.

        Judging by the view from the window.
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 20: 22
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Not so long ago, Chemezov bought an apartment in the center of Moscow for 5 rubles.

      Are you sure that the apartment, and not the whole high-rise building, for such and such money ?! laughing
      1. +2
        18 February 2019 21: 38
        Two-story apartment with a total area of ​​1480 square meters. meters.
        1. 0
          18 February 2019 21: 59
          Quote: 16112014nk
          Two-story apartment with a total area of ​​1480 square meters. meters.

          Flooded there? Or just bulked overheard?
    3. 0
      18 February 2019 21: 12
      the answer is obvious - it is on Saturdays in russia2 - 'DON'T THINK'
    4. +2
      18 February 2019 21: 15
      another couple of such walkers and you can on the moon, take a kopeck piece with a view of the Earth laughing
    5. 0
      19 February 2019 14: 46
      Do you have a 5 billion digit or do you not understand the zeros? Where are these apartments, I want to buy .. do not tell me?
  16. +2
    18 February 2019 17: 58
    They made fun! So it was damaged that not one connected part was found. All laid out on shelves and documented !!!!!
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 20: 27
      Quote: Mikhail Kokarev
      They made fun! So it was damaged that not one connected part was found. All laid out on shelves and documented !!!!!

      Are you working on ZiK, no?
  17. +2
    18 February 2019 17: 59
    To China via La Manche?
    6 divisions could be transferred by rail. Strange is all.
    ZY: I think this is the CPP-S tricky plan of Putin and Xi. Six divisions are already on duty. Amer with Japs slipped misinformation with spoiled missiles. And then I'll send the 6 divisions .... and in reality, there will be twice as many missiles and installations in China than the Americans expect.
  18. +4
    18 February 2019 17: 59
    It seems strange to me alone to ship missiles across China by sea around Europe in the presence of a land border with it and good rail service ...?
  19. -2
    18 February 2019 18: 00
    damaged during the transportation of the complex to the Chinese customer, were destroyed, new ones will be delivered after their manufacture

    Well, okay so guys .. The diversion of pure water is coming ..!
    And the Turks, how are you ..? And in Syria? ..
    Need to wet saboteurs ..and spit the CIA or the Mossad! negative
  20. +3
    18 February 2019 18: 02
    I remember a bearded joke
    In space, our and American satellites collided. The Americans lie that their satellite was not spyware, and ours lie that our satellite was uncontrollable.
  21. +5
    18 February 2019 18: 03
    Normally someone profited. And most importantly, with such happiness and freedom.
  22. +3
    18 February 2019 18: 05
    They darken something, they squeezed the tubes or something, having forgotten to fasten their seat belts, they skated on the hold and who invented it, blurt it out. Rocket during flight which overloads withstand!? - the ship that allegedly drove them would simply have spread.
    1. -1
      18 February 2019 18: 08
      Have a more export version appeared?
      1. +3
        18 February 2019 18: 21
        I don’t know who, what was up there, but the excuse is complete .... Have the rockets been destroyed? They are damn it, in the complete assembly they drove them !!! - only the damaged part can be redone - everything is blocky. And right away, it’s all damaged !!! Or maybe, somewhere, to another place of deployment were reoriented - well, for example, to where they are very urgently needed? wink - yes, yes - there it is. China also does not mind, and for the media substandard noodles.
  23. +3
    18 February 2019 18: 10
    Damaged during transportation ... had to be destroyed ... Or maybe they sold quietly to the left? Or did someone settle in the country?) Or did they change their minds and pull the rubber, encrypted?
  24. +3
    18 February 2019 18: 12
    Saw, they are golden.
  25. +4
    18 February 2019 18: 12
    The campaign was sent by Russian Post ... in revenge for the long delivery from Ali.
  26. +1
    18 February 2019 18: 15
    during the transportation of the complex to China, anti-aircraft guided missiles were damaged during a storm and had to be destroyed.

    And that we and China have no train connections, are we on different continents? belay
    Moreover, railway transportation is in every way cheaper, and faster than sea transport. It's not bulky and super heavy. Why such risks? belay
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 22: 28
      Expensive security will be required for expensive cargo on the Transsib section
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 07: 44
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Expensive security will be required for expensive cargo on the Transsib section

        And to make new missiles cheaper? belay sad
        1. 0
          19 February 2019 08: 58
          Quote: K-50
          And to make new missiles cheaper?

          Marine option did not work, apparently not entrusted to

          That does not negate the need to solve a wide range of problems with the transport of ammunition on the railway. at least in the sea to them is limited access of outsiders
  27. -2
    18 February 2019 18: 28
    Climatic weapon of the Anglo-Saxons
  28. +3
    18 February 2019 18: 46
    Delivery by sea from St. Petersburg via the English Channel and Suez takes 40-45 days. The cheapest option when you save on matches. Cargo delivery by train to Vladik + by sea to the ports of China takes 24-30 days and is 10-15% more expensive. Delivery by train through Dostyk (Kazakhstan-XUAR border) = 18-20 days, Naushki (via Mongolia) = 20-22 days. Even through Zabaikalsk-Manchuria = 22-24 days, and about a third more expensive than option No. 1. But it seems to me that at the cost of such a load this is not a rise in price at all ...
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 20: 20
      With such a contract, Chemezov could buy a bunch of locomotives, five to six cars, hire 4-5 locomotive crews and deliver the goods in 10-12 day.
      Such a composition is everywhere given a green road.
      So the thing is likely in another.
      And what is the question?
  29. +4
    18 February 2019 18: 47
    Logistics EPT. They sent to Syria by air, to China by ships. Where is the logic?
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 20: 12
      But this logic is inaccessible to people not burdened by a thirst for profit and theft. But it is also in this trouble of the country, which such logisticians rule.
  30. +1
    18 February 2019 19: 02
    At such a price, they could have delivered it by plane, but we also have a land border with China. We would have sent camels .................
  31. +1
    18 February 2019 19: 04
    The main question: why send all this through the English Channel? Direct transportation by land is not possible?
  32. +1
    18 February 2019 19: 20
    That's all. Now count s400 in China will be yours. All their armaments are non-censored analogues of Russian and Soviet.
  33. +8
    18 February 2019 20: 15
    ... The beginning of deliveries was announced on January 18 of the 2018 of the year, but on January 19 it became known that the ship carrying the components to the air defense system in the English Channel got into a storm, after which some of the equipment was badly damaged. It was decided to return the equipment back to Russia ...

    It seems that nepotism is flourishing in Rostec in the form of the transfer of contracts for the delivery of expensive goods ... wassat
    1. The supply of C-400 complexes to China was organized through Rosoboronexport. Rosoboronexport concluded an agreement on the manufacture and delivery of complexes with Almaz-Antey as a holding company, said a source at RBC’s military-industrial complex. Almaz-Antey, in turn, signed a contract with the Fakel plant, and Fakel signed an agreement with the Avangard engineering plant in Moscow, which became the manufacturer. This is a family run!
    2. According to the MarineTraffic website, which tracks merchant ship routes, the only shipowner ship from Murmansk is Nikifor Begichev, who left Ust-Luga on December 28 and returned back on January 11. The ship belongs to the Khatanga Commercial Sea Port.
    3. The transported equipment was simply flooded with sea water - including missiles and radar.
    4. The cargo was insured. The amount of insurance coverage and the name of the insurer are unknown.
    5. The total value of the transported cargo amounted to about 1,3 billion rubles.

    Summary.
    and). The insurer got a pretty good deal.
    b). If a vessel carrying a very serious cargo is unable to prevent the cargo from getting wet by banal preparation of cargo holds, this indicates the qualifications of the crew. As the sailors say - "left company" with the crew on board, working "for the grub". lol
    at). Who (!!!) was engaged in logistics, made up the delivery route expensive cargo, having determined the "shortest route" through Ust-Luga, and then by sea (about 3 weeks of crossing) to China?
    Klava .... I goof without a button accordion ... wassat
    1. +1
      19 February 2019 17: 09
      Doesn't roll your explanation.
      Telegram, Kompromat 2,0:
      Russia signed an agreement to supply China with S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in 2014. China became the first buyer of these weapons. It was reported that China plans to acquire at least six S-400 divisions for a total of $ 400 billion. The first two S-2018 kits were handed over to China in XNUMX.

      The next batch of S-400 was sent to China at the end of December 2018. A ship with missiles left Ust-Luga in the Leningrad Region. After a severe storm that damaged part of the cargo (the extent of damage was not disclosed then), the ship's captain decided to return to Russia.
  34. +3
    18 February 2019 20: 15
    during the transportation of the complex to China anti-aircraft guided missiles were damaged during a storm
    But what, between the Russian Federation and China there is no land corridor?
    Must I take the sea around Europe and Asia?
    This makes no sense!
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 22: 37
      On the land corridor, expensive and dangerous cargo must be guarded in three eyes.

      And by sea - only around Europe, via Suez, the closest sea route
  35. +1
    18 February 2019 20: 31
    Quote: demo
    With such a contract, Chemezov could buy a bunch of locomotives, five to six cars, hire 4-5 locomotive crews and deliver the goods in 10-12 day.
    Such a composition is everywhere given a green road.
    So the thing is likely in another.
    And what is the question?

    In a purchased apartment, probably)
  36. +1
    18 February 2019 21: 26
    Russian Railways has introduced special preferential rates for delivery from China, I think there too. And the piece of iron began to carry more profitable in speed and not much more expensive in terms of money. We get 3-5 containers a week and do not buzz. Without damage and drowning. I think Russian Railways could provide an even better special rate for missiles. So it’s either corruption or some special operation. But the first seems much more obvious, knowing our country ..
    I remember the immortal:
  37. DPN
    0
    18 February 2019 21: 49
    And who can believe that? THEIR that on a river-sea barge such as VOLGA-DON was delivered to China, noodles on ears and no more.
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 23: 07
      I will support! If these rockets are not afraid of rain, it means that they are airtight in containers, respectively, sea water, although salty, but it will also not be much to them.
      I think that either our terms were missed out and we got out like that, because force majeure is something other than a direct failure to fulfill the terms of the contract.
      Or at some point they realized what was in these missiles, something that should not fall under the Chinese copier, respectively, in this way they didn’t allow technology to leak. We will leave these for ourselves, and we will make others for them.
  38. +3
    19 February 2019 00: 08
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    The reason is the storm. More than 4000 of the cypriot border with China, but the missiles for some reason were delivered by the sea.

    As far as I know, the final assembly takes place at the Obukhov plant in Leningrad. And from there it’s still easier to drive by sea than through the whole country to China

    Quote: new max
    And you do not believe everything that they write. Earlier you wrote that the Caliber flies 300 km, but it turned out that it is 10 times further.

    And earlier they wrote that the "Caliber" flew at a distance of more than a thousand kilometers (interview with the commander of the Caspian Flotilla), but we mostly have not "readers", but "Writers". One wrote, and the rest are doing copy-paste. It was worth Borisov to blurt out that the Sarmat would deliver 10 tons of warheads to the United States through the South Pole, everyone began to copy it with a joyful squeal. Completely not paying attention to other details and to the delusion of the numbers themselves.
    So with the S-400. This is primarily a means of air defense, not missile defense. And the order of numbers on the interception range is really in the region of 60 km, and not 250, as the Chinese said. Maybe their rocket launched 250 km from the interception point - this can be believed, but not that the interception was carried out at a distance of 250 km

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    They wrote for those who cannot read. For those who know, they wrote that 300 km is the caliber range of the anti-ship missiles, and KR is not less than 1500 km or more

    Andrew! In relation to the anti-ship missiles, the figure was slightly higher. The commander of the KVF in his famous interview stated that the anti-ship missiles hit a naval target at a distance of 375 km. And 220 and 300 km are export versions of these products ...

    Quote: bald
    They darken something, they squeezed the tubes or something, having forgotten to fasten their seat belts, they skated on the hold and who invented it, blurt it out. Rocket during flight which overloads withstand!? - the ship that allegedly drove them would simply have spread.

    And damage to the container could be enough so that the rocket could be damaged inside. And for some reason everyone thinks that the whole party was rejected. Have you read about this somewhere? In addition to the launchers themselves and everything else, there were also missiles, and by no means for one volley. If some part of them was damaged, for example, 5-7 pieces, then this is so critical. And according to existing documents, they were written off and destroyed, and the Chinese were compensated for the lack later by an additional protocol ...

    Quote: Gomel
    6 divisions could be transferred by train. Weird is all

    And what would it result in for the performer? Let's take it. 6 divisions for China are three regiments. And that means there will be 3 points of combat control 55K6E, radar detection 91N6E- 3 pieces. RPN (one per division) - 6 units, 48 ​​launchers (if there are 7930 platforms on the basis of the MZKT-543 or MAZ-48M), if the tractor is based on the BAZ, the tractor is on one platform, the semi-trailer on the other means 96 platforms, a set of tools MOT systems - I don’t know how much. But let there be 2 units. Plus transport vehicles based on the same BAZ with a semitrailer. How many of them in the division are HZ, but more often as many as PU. That is, you need 96 more platforms. At least, only 200-220 platforms will be needed for transporting iron, plus wagons for transporting missile ammunition (how many ammunition are HZ, but one ammunition is 192 missiles. I don’t think that they would be loaded in bulk from a car. Let them be 10-12 into a car "That’s about 2 dozen wagons for one ammunition. For 3-4 ammunition, it’s 60-80 wagons. Only offhand it is about 300 units of rolling stock. I don’t know how many will be in the train, or they will be transported in a sub-mission, but even there will be 40-50 wagons in the train - this is at least 6-7 trains ... And what will it result in when transporting at a distance of 7-7,5 thousand kilometers? Or is it cheaper to ship on one ship ????
    1. +3
      19 February 2019 00: 21
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Gomel
      6 divisions could be transferred by train. Weird is all

      And what would it result in for the performer? Let's take it. 6 divisions for China are three regiments. And that means there will be 3 points of combat control 55K6E, radar detection 91N6E- 3 pieces. RPN (one per division) - 6 units, 48 ​​launchers (if there are 7930 platforms on the basis of the MZKT-543 or MAZ-48M), if the tractor is based on the BAZ, the tractor is on one platform, the semi-trailer on the other means 96 platforms, a set of tools MOT systems - I don’t know how much. But let there be 2 units. Plus transport vehicles based on the same BAZ with a semitrailer. How many of them in the division are HZ, but more often as many as PU. That is, you need 96 more platforms. At least, only 200-220 platforms will be needed for transporting iron, plus wagons for transporting missile ammunition (how many ammunition are HZ, but one ammunition is 192 missiles. I don’t think that they would be loaded in bulk from a car. Let them be 10-12 into a car "That’s about 2 dozen wagons for one ammunition. For 3-4 ammunition, it’s 60-80 wagons. Only offhand it is about 300 units of rolling stock. I don’t know how many will be in the train, or they will be transported in a sub-mission, but even there will be 40-50 wagons in the train - this is at least 6-7 trains ... And what will it result in when transporting at a distance of 7-7,5 thousand kilometers? Or is it cheaper to ship on one ship ????




      With this illustrative example, you killed all the wet dreams of the misfortune of economists and patriots proving how profitable the New Silk Road is by train from China to Europe through Russia ...
    2. 0
      20 February 2019 01: 09
      Intended for you:

      Doesn't roll your explanation.
      Telegram, Kompromat 2,0:
      Russia signed an agreement to supply China with S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in 2014. China became the first buyer of these weapons. It was reported that China plans to acquire at least six S-400 divisions for a total of $ 400 billion. The first two S-2018 kits were handed over to China in XNUMX.

      The next batch of S-400 was sent to China at the end of December 2018. A ship with missiles left Ust-Luga in the Leningrad Region. After a severe storm that damaged part of the cargo (the extent of damage was not disclosed then), the ship's captain decided to return to Russia.

      Everything is in a hurry, ((... I mean, I hurried, I left the wrong message. Damn, I have to be more careful in the future (I’m for myself).
  39. 0
    19 February 2019 03: 32
    Each error has a position and a surname. But since our state is controlled by a galley slave with effective managers, then each jamb has force majeure.
    1. 0
      19 February 2019 06: 48
      totaling over $ 3 billion
      And what, payments all through a striped bank? Isn't it time for the yefimki to plant something?
  40. +1
    19 February 2019 09: 32
    I’m even laughing ..)) Was there a boy ??
  41. 0
    19 February 2019 09: 40
    a ship carrying components for air defense missile systems in the English Channel got into a storm
    What the hell did they even carry there?

    Admin, the word HORN is not obscene language!
    1. 0
      19 February 2019 09: 44
      RBC clarified, flooded with sea water ..
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/02/2019/5c6ac1179a7947140458a228?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 09: 46
        Well, RBC is an affiliate
  42. -1
    19 February 2019 13: 57
    What kind of idiocy and panic in the comments?
    Rejoice that the missiles did not go to China, and their delivery dates have shifted for a good reason.
    At a minimum, this will delay the time for the Chinese counterpart to enter the market, otherwise the Chinese are too cunning, they copy everything right away to the international market, but we need to knock down prices and squeeze orders.
    If it happened like that, then it’s so necessary. And then you raised a panic, as if it hadn’t delivered you a personal order ..
  43. 0
    19 February 2019 14: 34
    Quote: Charik
    think with your own head, is it easier to sink in the sea-okane? or in your own country to drive away by train, who will open you here? daddy is okay, even if they open it, where?

    it’s easy to drown from the sofa.
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  45. 0
    19 February 2019 17: 09
    And were there rockets there?)
  46. 0
    19 February 2019 18: 31
    It was not worth throwing bottles at them.