The newest T-90MS turned into a tank for network-centric warfare.

Andrei Terlikov, General Director of the Ural Transport Engineering KB, told the media that the newest Russian T-90MS tank (export version of the T-90М) received the ESU TK - a unified tactical control system. In fact, this system allows the combat vehicle to participate in the so-called network-centric war as part of the mentioned tactical link and to solve the combat task when using new approaches to coordinate actions on the field (in the zone) of the battlefield.

Screenshot from the movie TC "Star"

TASS cites a statement by Andrei Terlikov:

The fire control system is integrated with the terminal of the combat control system for obtaining tactical information in the automated control system of the unit.

What specific functions does ESU TZ have?

It allows you to exchange data in real time between different combat vehicles, also creates a single information network, the data from which can be used by the crew of any combat unit. In addition, the system generates a single picture of the battle space, allowing you to specify the most dangerous directions and deliver strikes, which at the moment can become the most relevant and effective.

Some change in other parameters to tank T-90MS. In particular, the 125-mm gun was updated, which received additional survivability and accuracy parameters. It is important that additional indicators of the equipment of the tank did not lead to a significant increase in its mass - it is within 50 tons. Thanks to this (including mobility), the tank has high competitiveness.

Innovations add interest to the tank from potential customers.

Comments

[Fedorov]

The tank is good, only in the Russian troops it is not, and I think it will not.

[kolkulon]

Ms was originally created as an export product.

[sir.jonn]

I heard in the "media" about the upcoming modernization of the entire T-90 fleet into the T-90m version and the production of new ones.

[bouncyhunter]

Also heard this. And I hope that these are not just empty words.

[Bull Terrier]

Not certainly in that way. new ones do too. at least a contract not only for modernization.

[new max]

Why is all the best always abroad? What kind of tradition is this where there is its own army as Cinderella? Like the T-90m went into a series. This year the T-14 will join the troops. The situation will gradually begin to change. Every year, 200 tanks will be modernized. How many of them are in service with us. Who knows at least about the number?

[new max]

Test video of the latest T-90 tank (Breakthrough-3)
https://youtu.be/uK9UVc4KUfM

[Bull Terrier]

they don’t sell the best abroad) and we buy what we need at the moment. and the amount is depending on what)

[Gray brother]

Quote: Bull Terrier

they don’t sell the best abroad) and we buy what we need at the moment. and the amount is depending on what)

And here are two options - either you sell abroad the same as you do for yourself but in larger quantities, or you sell what is more expensive but in smaller quantities.
Otherwise, the port will fall.

[crest]

The coolest and most elegant tank both here and beyond the hill, with the corresponding combat capabilities. If he became our main ...

[Navigator Basov]

Quote: new max

Why is all the best always abroad?

In fact, this is not so, it just creates a feeling because there are already tanks in your army, and in fact they will always be of the past generation, compared to promising new models offered for export, but most often not purchased for your army. At the same time, promising export models are offered, and, as a rule, also models of previous generations are purchased. This is a common situation, it is exactly the same in China (the regular 99 type is getting older, VT-4 is the bearer of innovative ideas, but mainly VT-1 is exported), in Germany (the regular Leopard 2 is also at the limit of modernization potential, for export 2A7 + is offered, but more often it is sold more likely 2A4 from old stocks). In any case, some processes of modernization and re-equipment using promising developments are underway in our own army, but this process is always more inert due to the fact that a tangible relatively modern tank fleet is already available, and foreign customers buy relatively modern tanks from scratch. The same factor plays a role here, which allows you to postpone, for example, the purchase of an 65-inch OLED TV in the presence of an 43-inch three years ago, and who still has a kinescope, he will buy 43- not three years old when choosing a new TV. inch, and this year's 50 inch TV at the same price.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Fedorov

The tank is good, only in the Russian troops it is not, and I think it will not.

Of course it will not, since T-90MS is an export version that will go possibly for Egypt and Kuwait. And for our army is the T-90M (Rush-3).

[Magic archer]

But in the troops of the T-72B3 this modification is considered the main one !!! If only a couple of tanks were put into the tank biathlon for running-in and demonstrating technologies, as the Chinese do! Pontov as always, but there’s a lot of sense zero

[Bull Terrier]

why?) Pontus for the sake of?) biathlon is not needed for this)

[Errr]

It went. The unified tactical control system is not only tanks. Now this is our all.

[hydrox]

It remains only to see HOW the ESU will begin to assemble from modules from the platoon to the army by military operations, where the decision will not be made by a person, but by a computer.
Here are just the criteria for making decisions EVERYTHING WILL BE EQUAL FOR A MAN TO WRITE, and the computer will only edit the grammar, but the mothers will clean ...

[Errr]

Oh no i'm a supporter
Oh-lo-ve-chi-wa-ni-ya!

[Errr]

With a successful attempt to "humanize" artificial intelligence, the latter will begin to get rid of people with the success of superman. Nothing personal - competitors, however, and the resources of the planet and its surroundings are not unlimited. And the survivors will have only one thing to do - to control the adversary. Therefore, a machine must always remain a machine and nothing more. No "humanization" of computers! All decisions should be made only by a person.

[Vlad.by]

The air defense ACS is an excellent aid to the commander for conducting combat. So you shouldn't be afraid of "numbers"! The main thing is to ensure the completeness of the incoming information, and our processing algorithms are at their best.
Primary intelligence is our ALL.

[Errr]

Yes, I am not against ACS (I myself once worked in the department of ACS and VT). I am totally against VIKI from "I, Robot" (starring Will Smith). If you haven't watched it, I recommend it. An entertaining film. ACS is very good (and somewhere it is simply irreplaceable) will be only as long as it does not have its own motives to change the situation. AI is a very delicate matter. You can consider this as a delusion of a sick imagination. Your right. But, in my opinion, we have been persistently moving towards the edge lately. I would not break ...

[hydrox]

Quote: Herrr

But, in my opinion, we have recently been stubbornly moving to the edge.

From the fact that there is a plus sign, the country will not be either hot or cold (he is a liber-humanitarian, they only need a canteen, a bedroom and a toilet). The figure will be scary for us only if it gets into our everyday life from the globalists of Bilderberg - and EVERYTHING will dance there, and not just Russia: globalists have too big capacities and opportunities

[Errr]

When the "scenario of the Apocalypse" is embodied, this whole Bilderberg get-together will seem to us just a dumbass from a gateway in comparison with the iron grip of the dead hand of AI. And the "plushie" will surely digitize due to its liber-humanitarian indifference. Maybe I am completely in vain so indiscriminately about all programmers in a row? It may very well be. But still, the world is not without evil geniuses. Life, by virtue of its eternal injustice, itself gives rise to villains. An unholy place is never empty as well as holy. There is a suitable one. That's what's sad.
We are here by midnight. It's time for the bainki.

[hydrox]

Quote: Herrr

Maybe I'm completely in vain so indiscriminately about all the programmers in a row?

Plus is not a programmer, he is a lawyer, and this is the worst human application of brain activity - in their life activity they are never guided by the laws that have been in force in the Universe for billions of years, but lick paper mold from the Middle Ages to the threshold of the Apocalypse, while in their mind-withered there is no life and cannot be life, as well as the fact that their considerations are not intended for the living, but for the almost dead ...

[Errr]

From lawyers, it naturally turns me on my soul. So that it would be corrupt for them to burn in fiery hell (this is a figure of speech, because I am a kind of atheist).

[Den717]

Quote: Herrr

From lawyers, it naturally turns me on my soul.

By the way, it is lawyers who protect you from arbitrariness in all areas of life. Order is always better than mess. Police, prosecutors, courts - all (almost all) lawyers. Magomed Nurbagandov is also a lawyer. Imagine life without all of them. I think you need to be careful in expressions.

[Errr]

Well then, let only those lawyers who lie, and especially those judges who lie in court decisions and rulings, burn in hell! Alas, I have not yet seen others, as well as justice in Russian courts. We have different experiences, however. And if this is called order, then burn and it is also a blue flame.

[Den717]

Quote: Herrr

Alas, I have not yet seen others, as well as justice in Russian courts.

Do you sue often? It happens. However, the category of justice is estimated, and therefore universal justice, satisfying all, does not exist. Therefore, the court should not be fair, but legal.

[Errr]

Why do we need laws when the judges are familiar? This folk wisdom has such a beard that now you can't see the end of it. The sad thing is that now it is practically impossible to deprive the judge-thief in our country. Even VKKS does not need it (personally verified). And not to re-elect, for example, as in the amicably hated States. The very principle of the election of judges was removed from the constitution back in 1993. And I, in fact, am not even here about justice, but only about the letter of the law, which was impudently misinterpreted by the judge to please the “greased” defendant. Then I take my leave and no longer discuss this topic. It's disgusting.

[Gray brother]

Quote: hydrox

HOW it will start from modules from platoon to army to be assembled by ESU by military operations

No way, in addition to what is already there, at least. It will be a little more convenient and all.

Quote: hydrox

, where the decision CAN NOT be taken by a person, but by a comp.

God forbid computers are too dumb. The expression "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines" is still relevant.

Quote: hydrox

EVERYTHING WILL BE PEOPLE WRITING

And make a fire card, too, with the only difference being that it will not be tweeted with a pencil, but with a finger it will be poked into the tablet.
This is more a matter of convenience.

[okko077]

In fact, this system makes it possible for the combat vehicle to participate in the so-called network-centric war as part of the mentioned tactical link and solve the combat problem when using new approaches to coordinate actions on the battlefield (in the zone).

We do not have network-centric systems, we have no real ways to wage network-centric, or rather modern war ... We have no structures for waging such a war ... I gave you an example of verbiage from the article .... Everyone is talking about new approaches, without knowing about them .... How the exchange of information between the tanks and the transfer of this information to the "headquarters" will allow a new war? Tanks in this new war, like the Airborne Forces, have auxiliary functions and are used in the 3rd echelon at the final stage of the operation ... Now they do not win the war with the corpses of burned soldiers and the skeletons of tanks ...

[Nikolaevich I]

"Network Center" is the sales girl of American imperialism! Meetings of labor collectives were held throughout the country ... the speakers expressed their negative attitude to another despicable invention of the US militaristic machine! "

[hydrox]

"So budemo budemo budey!?!"

[Lopatov]

The Americans are no longer rushing with this network centric, as with a bag written.
HANDs are created and used, drones for attack helicopters have appeared. Well, small drones for soldiers ...

Apparently, at the current level of development, full-fledged network-centrism is impossible.

[okko077]

Lopatov, you interpret this concept very primitively ...., however, like most theorists in our country ...
Network centrism for the sake of gaining advantage in modern warfare and reducing losses, due to the ability to remove people from the line of contact, is increasingly interpreted by them as something else .... Namely, the creation of a global information space is not clear why ...., creating it, as an end in itself, for yourself .... It’s enough to read even WIKI, where the complete nonsense is written ...

This is a concept of warfare, providing for an increase in the combat power of a group of combined forces due to the formation of an information and commutation network combining sources of information (intelligence), command and control means and means of destruction (suppression), which ensures that participants in operations are provided with reliable and complete information about the situation in real time.

In the first part of this definition, everything is clear and clear .. And the second complete nonsense of incompetent senile ...

providing accurate and complete information about the situation in real time to participants in operations

Well, they brought it, and what's next ... And here is our non-working ESU TK sees the laces of its soldiers, so what's next, how will it help to win?
The network-centric approach makes it possible to wage war in a different, more modern way, this is not a concept, it is a real way to conduct military operations ...
Other structures are used, another organization of warfare ... And not those that have remained since the 2nd World War, as we have ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: okko077

Shovels, you interpret this concept very primitively ...

To even those as you understand. But apparently, not a horse feed ...

[okko077]

You have a short haircut with your horses and budenovki .... Better not get on your guns ....

[Lopatov]

Quote: okko077

better than your guns do not meddle ....

eight)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[VO3A]

Trying in vain!

[okko077]

It seems to me that it is better to start with a network-centric bundle, which is the brick of the whole system ... If you figure out what it is, then everything will be clear further ...

[Vlad.by]

Full network-centrism is like communism, an unattainable ideal. In the current realities is impossible in principle.
There is neither complete intelligence, nor sufficient processing speed, and even more so, the speed and reliability of information transfer.
So far, it is only possible to automate the collection and processing and issuing to the commander of information about the situation, and the decision is still up to the person.
Full automation (such as Shell) is possible, but most likely will be far from ideal.
The intuition of a person has not yet been put in a box.

[okko077]

If you don’t know something, or don’t understand what, then it’s not naive to think that this is not feasible ... First, let’s clarify that there are concepts of a network-centric approach to creating military systems .... And what is complete, incomplete network centrism and what do you mean by this no more than beautiful words .... The key link in such systems is the person in front of the monitor screen, and there is no commander who is given information about the situation, just like there is no battlefield, and there is no commander in this battlefield .... Learn the materiel ....

[Vlad.by]

Well, well ... I understand, you are a great specialist, it seems. By the way, for making a decision and the result of hostilities, the responsibility is not an abstract person in front of the screen, but a specific commander.
So, forget about the absence of a commander in this battlefield.
And network centrism is not necessary. It is possible ...
They will interfere with your data lines and hello to network centrism. Both complete and incomplete. And try to object. Even for narrowly directed microwave links, not to mention all sorts of low-potential, noise-like data transmission systems, there are many ways to block. From abandoned transmitters and DRGs to graphite ammunition.

[okko077]

So the commander sits in front of the screen, he has the authority within his position area and the powers delegated to him and the dowry of fire weapons ..... And the transmission lines are different and wired, and light and others including ..... with different degree of security and duplicated ....

[nikolas 83]

We need t 90 m breakthrough 3, instead of t 72 b3. Breakthrough 3 is a very good car.

[Bull Terrier]

gradual rearmament will go on. now is not a union of thousands of tanks to rivet.

[Kharkiv]

Excellent, but still Armata needs to be cut in an amount of more than 12 pcs per year

[Bull Terrier]

in general, more than 100 until 2020) 12 is the first production batch.

[Kharkiv]

Already better, but still not enough) Need more democracy

[Zaurbek]

The armature is not necessary otherwise, it is a tank for units of constant readiness, but the T-90s and 80s that are armed with such a module with a tower need to be upgraded. + Release of new ones.

[venik]

Quote: Zaurbek

but the T-90s and 80s in service are fully upgraded with such a module with a tower

===========
Well, on the T-80, such a tower - it is unlikely that it will be possible to "drive in"! There, JUST in place of the "turret box" with additional ammunition, there is a descending air intake pipe, which is used for forced marches in areas with high dust content.

[Snail N9]

And, why, he has "increased survivability of the gun? God forbid, he will make 100 shots from it, before the tank itself is burned ...

[Lopatov]

For local wars. Well and other military operations of this kind.

[501 Legion]

One of the most beautiful Russian tanks. really like how he looks.

[Cowbra]

I came across such an opinion, why in Russia, like nowhere else in the world, there will never be massive Armata, or such T-90s. As well as mattresses, for example, there will be no Abrashek modernization of SEP 3 and higher in the size of "dohren"
But it’s logical that during a 2-month life on the front of the tank, even against wild barmales, to produce a tank that will be built a year and a half ... In case of mass clashes, they will cut out all such tanks in 2 months, and T-72 and lower will fight further.

[Snail N9]

I read that the Chinese organized a large number of closed storage areas for old military equipment. That is, they do not dispose of all the old equipment, but repair it, preserve it and put it into storage in underground storages or in ordinary guarded warehouses. They believe that all ultramodern military equipment, along with those who can control it, will be knocked out in the first days-weeks-months (depending on the type and intensity of the military conflict) of the war, and only reservists diluted by the few surviving pros and hastily trained in war will continue to fight artisanal civilian conditions. And they will fight on the old, simpler and more reliable equipment, which can be repaired in artisanal conditions, without resorting to modern factories, which by this time will be destroyed ....

[Sergei75]

The stump is clear!
In a long global war, it is necessary to fill up the front with weapons and equipment, but ... of course, not stooping to crossbows.
All these newfangled electronic gadgets are good for Blitzkrieg, our task is to withstand the first onslaught, not to destroy the connection and force to conduct full-scale military operations in direct contact.
Unfortunately, what is happening in Russia suggests that under the pretext of modernization and increase of foreign exchange earnings the West buys all our reserves, the same applies to the Navy’s funds, which are cut into needles in the pocket of responsible gentlemen.

[Cowbra]

Ugh you. Forgot to give a link

Why "Armata" and "Su-57" in large quantities will not go to the troops of the Russian Federation?
Details: https://regnum.ru/news/it/2573786.html

[Sergei75]

Damn, have you tried "network-centric" war anywhere?
Fighting with targets is one thing, but with a real enemy is another.

[tank64rus]

Well, if not Armata, then the T-90MS just why everything is abroad. And our T-72 B3. Feel the difference. Everything is like in the 90s. And in the USSR, on the contrary, it first had its own Army.