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Nikolai Makarov: Russia is ready to purchase armored vehicles Patria AMV

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Nikolai Makarov: Russia is ready to purchase armored vehicles Patria AMV

The Russian armed forces are ready to consider buying the Finnish armored vehicle Patria AMV, but only after its comprehensive tests - Chief of the General Staff General of the Army Nikolai Makarov told the Eurosatory-2012 armory.

The second day of the Eurosatory-2012 was noted by a visit by a large delegation of the Ministry of Defense. The expositions were examined, including the Chief of the General Staff Makarov and the First Deputy Minister of Defense Alexander Sukhorukov. If Alexander Petrovich focused on getting acquainted with the products of the Russian defense industry, Nikolai Egorovich devoted most of his time to foreign exhibits. The head of the General Staff was impressed by the Finnish armored vehicle Patria AMV. She looks really menacing. The impression is enhanced by a gun made in the style of stealth technology.

Nikolai Makarov said that the military department would not mind testing this armored car at their training grounds and, in the case of good results, consider purchasing. It was evident that the Finns were surprised by such an offer. Like the French who heard about the Russian Navy’s intention to buy Mistral from them. The French really did not believe in the reality of what the then commander-in-chief of the Navy said. Today naval fleet another person commands us, and the first Mistral is already under construction for Russia. So, you see, our motorized gunners will soon use Finnish vehicles as armored personnel carriers.
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  1. Igor
    Igor 13 June 2012 12: 05
    +12
    Ahahahahahahaha !!!!
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 13 June 2012 12: 08
      +16
      As Kars said today in a comment: You need to change the chiefs of the General Staff more often and I agree with him 100%
      1. Igor
        Igor 13 June 2012 12: 12
        +12
        What difference does it make they can’t fart without a command from the top.
        1. party3AH
          party3AH 13 June 2012 15: 13
          +2
          Quote: Igorek

          What difference does it make they can’t fart without a command from the top.

          Ours will be able to, they will also be wise.
          1. alex-defensor
            alex-defensor 13 June 2012 16: 13
            +8
            Hi guys.

            Everything is much simpler:


            Option 1 (Based on the fact that in 2020 the III World War will not be): We need to develop our own. So our people will buy a bit, and then on the basis of this they will do their own, as always better than the original, using our KNOW-HOW.

            Option 2 (Based on the fact that in 2020 the III World War will be): Development, bringing to an industrial design, the creation of the material base and the production of the right amount for 8 years will cost unrealistically expensive, if at all possible. It's easier to buy and adapt to our shells and communications

            It's like a litmus test. If ours starts large-scale purchases, it means that they are seriously waiting for a REAL war.

            That's it !!!
            1. 13 June 2012 16: 58
              +3
              alex-defensor,
              Here is something like that too sad thoughts attend. There is a clear rush to face the rearmament of the army, even in such ways.
            2. dimaas
              dimaas 13 June 2012 19: 42
              +3
              About the same thoughts.
              Option 3 (Based on the fact that the 3rd World War will be after 2025): The most rational direction for defense is education and science.
              But, apparently, options 2 and 1 are more likely
            3. UAZ Patriot
              UAZ Patriot 13 June 2012 20: 12
              +1
              I agree to all 1000% before World War I also bought the best tank in the world, the French. As a result, the birth of the best tank 2 MV T-34 and the best tank in the world T-64. So I am for such purchases for. Do not judge, do not be primitive, think ahead globally!
              1. starshina78
                starshina78 13 June 2012 20: 48
                +2
                You're not right ! Russia entered the First World War without a single tank. Subsequently, several different vehicles were purchased from several manufacturers, including the Renault tank. The license for the production of this tank was already bought by Soviet Russia, and the first tank produced in Soviet Russia was called "Freedom Fighter Comrade Lenin", but in the conditions of the civil war and post-war devastation, a limited number of them were produced. Then there were purchases of military equipment in Germany and the United States. And already on the basis of these tanks there were attempts to create their own tanks. To some extent, the BT and T-26 tanks were reworked foreign tanks. The purchases of foreign equipment had nothing to do with the development of the KV and T-34 tanks. These were tanks of our own design. For the first time, welding was applied in the manufacture of tank hulls, for the first time in the world there were one-piece cast towers, and for the first time they were installed on diesel tanks. For example: Germany started the war with the USSR with tanks with gasoline engines. As a consequence, when developing tanks or armored personnel carriers, our developers did not take foreign developments as a basis. For example, the Americans and the British were shocked when they saw our IS - 1945 at the Victory Parade in 3 in Germany. These were tanks with a rounded turret, as it is now. Only now, when the country has already forgotten how to do anything on its own, and having corrupt heads of departments, have we started purchasing foreign military equipment. This is a real betrayal!
            4. Dmitry.V
              Dmitry.V 13 June 2012 20: 56
              0
              Evidence that either our intelligence is good or that all wars start on order ...
            5. esaul
              esaul 14 June 2012 07: 03
              0
              alex-defensor,

              Fuh! Greetings, Alexander! I thought that everyone would follow the path that was rolled up and indicated earlier - talk about the venality and incompetence of our military. Your comment has pleased and subsequent to yours,
              dimaas,
              UAZ Patriot,
              Plus, buddy, for rationality in the comment, and not (superfluous in this case) emotionality
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 13 June 2012 12: 20
        +12
        Quote: Aleksey67
        You need to change the chiefs of the General Staff more often and I agree with him on 100%

        And I do not, PLANT ...
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 13 June 2012 12: 24
          +7
          Quote: Tersky
          And I do not, PLANT ...

          Vit, you know, here I never mind smile
          1. Armata
            Armata 13 June 2012 12: 30
            +7
            Quote: Tersky
            And I do not, PLANT ..

            Vitya will continue. ON THE NUMBER OF PRIVATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 13 June 2012 12: 40
              +6
              Quote: Steam Train
              ON THE NUMBER OF PRIVATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              And this too, in the aggregate of punishments, I think good results can be achieved !! drinks
        2. VAF
          VAF 13 June 2012 12: 39
          +11
          Quote: Tersky
          And I do not, PLANT ...


          Vitya, ++++ !!!!! drinks

          I’m on this topic in an article on the Main section, where I posted a lot about the exhibition from the T-90, but I’ll drag one koment here ... I even liked it myself, honestly ... and when I re-read it again, in general ...

          And then there may get lost ....
          And how can there be enough with such .... shapes and dimensions ??? +++ !!!!

          .... Here ... damn ... climbed ... .. onto his ... head And how ... I’ll get out .... ... Maybe ... hto shove?

          ..Here ... I'll get out ... for sure ... "reforming" ... fuck ... as if not adapted to ...

          .... And on the saved grandmas I’d better buy .... something ... overseas-aubergine ....

          ..... And on "bread" you can "smear" and .... something will remain ... for a rainy day ...

          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 13 June 2012 12: 42
            +4
            Quote: veteran.air force
            .... Here ... damn ... climbed ... .. onto his ... head And how ... I’ll get out .... ... Maybe ... hto shove?

            Sereg, this is 5 with a bunch of pluses !!! Especially the "overalls" struck with the shield "Minister of Defense" laughing
            1. VAF
              VAF 13 June 2012 12: 50
              +3
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Earrings, this is 5 with a bunch of pluses !!!


              Lesha, and when it was different ??? (I’ve kind of ... praised myself) +!

              And you go to the main ... article about the exhibition with the T-90, there is a lot ... about Taburetkin a lot .....
            2. Armata
              Armata 13 June 2012 12: 52
              +5
              Quote: Aleksey67
              ... Here ... damn ... climbed ... .. onto his ... head And how ... I’ll get out .... ... Maybe ... hto shove?

              Sergey +++++++++++. So we reform laughing drinks
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 13 June 2012 12: 57
                +4
                Quote: Steam Train
                .Maybe ... shove hto?

                Of course you need to shove, and for a long time, guess with three times what exactly. laughing
              2. VAF
                VAF 13 June 2012 13: 14
                +4
                Quote: Steam Train
                So we reform


                That's interesting ... they will give Dmitry Olegovich ... bring him down ..... or ... they will not, +! drinks

                1. Karabin
                  Karabin 13 June 2012 14: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: veteran.air force
                  That's interesting ... they will give Dmitry Olegovich ... bring him down ..... or ... they will not, +!

                  No, they will not. Dmitry Olegovich is there to create a positive image of the defense complex, as well as to portray stormy activities.
            3. Tersky
              Tersky 13 June 2012 12: 56
              +7
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Especially the "overalls" struck with the shield "Minister of Defense"

              Only from Yudashkin ... drinks , just forgot to sew a bow ..
              1. party3AH
                party3AH 13 June 2012 15: 15
                +3
                Quote: Tersky
                Only from Yudashkin ... only they forgot to sew a bow ..

                The bow should be nailed to the skull with a nail of at least a hundredths.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 13 June 2012 12: 54
            +5
            Quote: veteran.air force
            .Here ... I will get out ... for sure ...

            Greetings, Sergey! It was necessary to drive the cockroach into such darkness so that he could not only get out, could not straighten drinks
            1. Armata
              Armata 13 June 2012 12: 59
              +5
              Vitya and he did not get used to a bent posture. laughing
          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 13 June 2012 14: 16
            +6
            Quote: veteran.air force
            .Maybe ... shove hto?


            To hell? Rush soon and urgent dive
          4. Middle-brother
            Middle-brother 13 June 2012 14: 59
            +3
            veteran.air force
            about the photo - to batten down the hatch, open the kingstones
        3. Krilion
          Krilion 13 June 2012 13: 13
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          And I do not, PLANT ...


          I think it would be better to hang .. together with the direct bosses ...
        4. sleepy
          sleepy 13 June 2012 18: 55
          +1
          "Voting results: What do you expect from the new commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy?"

          Further lowering of the status of the Navy 181 (57,83%)
          Abolition of the commander in chief or its transfer to St. Petersburg 61 (19,49%)
          Updates Box fleet composition 41 (13,10%)
          Personnel shifts 13 (4,15%)
          Continuation of the course of the former commander in chief 10 (3,19%)
          Strengthening social security of servicemen 7 (2,24%) "

          http://flot.com/personal/vote_result.php?VOTE_ID=150

          The amount does not change from a change in the places of the terms. If God forbid, war will put everyone in their places.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 13 June 2012 19: 02
            +1
            "The head of the General Staff was impressed by the invisibility-style cannon."

            But what about the Ternovik radio-absorbing material, which provides camouflage for BTVT objects from reconnaissance equipment in the optical (including infrared) and radar (including mm, cm and dm sections) ranges.
            http://warfiles.ru/show-8603-etot-mshistyy-ternovnik.html
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2012 16: 29
        +3
        Alex, in principle, your idea is correct !!
        In Turkey, the chief of the general staff cannot fulfill his powers for more than two years, and also commanders of military branches !!
        Exception - The President can extend the authority of the Chief of the General Staff for a year!
      4. Insurgent
        Insurgent 13 June 2012 22: 16
        +1
        And the ministers of defense)))
    2. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 13 June 2012 12: 14
      +5
      They beat themselves in the chest, which Kurgan will soon do, and suddenly this. Was it ..... well? Modern technology is too tough?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 June 2012 12: 29
        +3
        Quote: Tirpitz
        Modern technology is too tough?

        As some young man on this site said
        -All the people who developed the technology died and the documentation was lost. Yeltsin recalled how he spoke on TV
        - We transferred money to Chechnya, but they stole it and you won’t find any ends.
        Rephrase classic saying
        - Crazy age, crazy business.
    3. vadimus
      vadimus 13 June 2012 12: 22
      +2
      Such as Makarov .... Everyone is ready to sell ...
      1. consul
        consul 13 June 2012 14: 03
        +2
        tin ... no words (((. There are no good fruits from a sick tree, and bad fruits from a healthy tree. Only this comes to mind.
      2. Норд
        Норд 13 June 2012 14: 36
        +1
        At whose mill does the chief of the general staff Nicolas Makarov pour vodka?
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 June 2012 16: 18
      +5
      The Finns were surprised by such an offer.

      And what is it to us? We are only surprised lately. Previously, the Finns bought our weapons, from Kalash to MiGs, but now we feed Europe, Swedish armor, Iveco-Fiat tower, Scania engine, how many people we will provide work
      1. Korvin
        Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 09
        +2
        The cannon in the style of invisibility technology is tin)))))) Probably a quote from Makarov himself. Interestingly he was politely explained that this is a NEMO mortar with a barrel casing providing a small EPR))))
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 June 2012 12: 06
    +4
    And you can ask a stupid question, why?
    1. Igor
      Igor 13 June 2012 12: 10
      +3
      We need to be stable in everything and not rock the boat with purchases of our armored vehicles.
    2. lcalex
      lcalex 13 June 2012 14: 37
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov

      And you can ask a stupid question, why?


      Because gladiolus !!! sad

      quote from qw
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 June 2012 16: 22
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And you can ask a stupid question, why?


      Why did Gorbachev ruin the USSR? To hang out beautifully over the hill, to be the best German of the year and eat advertising pizza
    4. fern
      fern 13 June 2012 17: 15
      +1
      In my opinion, they evaluate all the equipment in appearance. Like crows, they rush at everything that glitters .... Oh yes, it still has to be necessarily futuristic.
      1. Korvin
        Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 14
        +1
        Don’t be nervous, they won’t buy it. Dates, though drunkards are notable, but they’re tougher with corruption than the Italians and Francs, which they drank, kickbacks))))
        1. fern
          fern 14 June 2012 01: 09
          0
          Yes, it would be better if they bought from the Franks, if you buy. I don’t know, the Finnish defense industry does not inspire confidence in me. Perhaps this is due to the fact that I am completely unfamiliar with her (
          1. Korvin
            Korvin 16 June 2012 15: 45
            0
            It’s better to learn to do it yourself)) But if the choice between dates and francs is better then tested in battles and bought by ten countries of the AMV Finns than not bought by anyone and made by lazy and thieving Gauls pepelats))
  3. vadimN
    vadimN 13 June 2012 12: 07
    +2
    They ditched their developments and production, now we will depend on foreign ... :(
  4. pribolt
    pribolt 13 June 2012 12: 07
    +1
    The article is definitely a minus Well, really, we can’t do this.
    1. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 13 June 2012 14: 08
      +4
      Such ???? Yes you look at this miracle !!!! Nafig we need this !!!!! ????
      1. mark021105
        mark021105 13 June 2012 19: 00
        0
        In-vobsch finally ___ but looks. What is all the same Russian (and Soviet) technology is beautiful !!!
  5. Armata
    Armata 13 June 2012 12: 07
    +3
    Feather watchdog. Only with the centaurs did their mega-project subside. damn it in its then poorly invested.
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 June 2012 12: 11
      +5
      Quote: Steam Train
      Only the centaurs calmed down

      Who said?
      According to the test results of Italian wheeled tanks in the Russian Federation can create a joint venture


      PARIS, 12 Jun - RIA News. Tests of Italian Centauro wheeled tanks and Freccio infantry fighting vehicles in Russia may lead to the creation of a joint venture for the integration of Russian missile systems and Italian armored vehicles or to the purchase of a license by Russia, no decisions have been made so far, curator of the program for cooperation with Russia of the defense company Oto Melara told RIA Novosti Bruno Farina.
      Earlier, a representative of Oto Melara told RIA Novosti that Russia could acquire a license for the production of Centauro wheeled tanks in Italy, and said that two combat vehicles were already being tested in the Moscow Region.
      Farina confirmed that the purchase of a license by Russia is one of the options for cooperation, the form of which has not yet been established. Moreover, the main purpose of the tests is to introduce and possible integration of military technologies of both countries.

      He said that the tests are being carried out as part of an agreement signed by the Russian and Italian Defense Ministers in September 2011. According to its terms, Italy supplies Russia with four combat vehicles in two stages for their assessment by the Russian army.
      “We do not yet have official reports from the Ministry of Defense on the test results of the first two vehicles. Basically, it was a test of driving performance - it is known that there has been no shooting yet. I think they are waiting for this arrival of two more vehicles, since they have the hull and chassis. are the same, only the towers and the armament complex differ, "the source said.
      At the moment, Russia has a Centauro wheeled tank with an 105 millimeter caliber cannon and a Freccio BMP created on its base with an 25 millimeter caliber cannon - both vehicles in these configurations are armed with Italian aircraft.
      "The Russians are waiting for the same platforms (Centauro and Freccio) with 120 and 30 mm cannons. They will be delivered in July," Farina said.
      According to him, the tests may continue in the 2013 year - their terms depend, inter alia, on the experience of the Russian crews conducting them.
      "We cannot say whether the final decision will be made based on the results of these tests. We expect to receive a report from which we can understand in which direction to move. We hope that in the end our countries will come to an understanding of the necessary level of cooperation on ground systems weapons, "said a spokesman for Oto Melara.
      He noted that the main issue today is the integration of technologies.
      "In the field of missile weapons, the technologies of Russian companies can be at a high level. Perhaps, in the future, Russian missiles can be installed on our towers, combined systems at the level of a joint venture or in another form, which will allow us to respond to a new level of threats and increase competitiveness," - said Farina.
      He believes that it is too early to discuss issues of localization of production.
      The Centauro and Freccio combat vehicles are manufactured by the CIO joint venture created by Oto Melara, part of Finmeccanica, one of the largest Italian holdings, and Iveco. Moreover, Oto Melara produces turrets and weapons systems.
      The crew of Centauro is four people, the combat weight is 24 tons, the maximum speed is 100 kilometers per hour, the range is 800 kilometers. In service are the gun, as well as two machine guns of caliber 7,62 millimeter. These combat vehicles are in service with four countries - Italy, Spain, Oman and Egypt.



      It feels like they just burst out, and now they are pulling time to really be forgotten. Or they did not expect a public outcry.
      1. snek
        snek 13 June 2012 12: 17
        +2
        Russia entered the top ten countries importers of weapons. The CAMTO rating for contractual obligations for import of military products concluded in 2011 includes 70 countries.

        In 2011, Saudi Arabia, mainly due to the “mega-contract” from the USA to F-15, took first place in terms of the volume of concluded contracts for the import of arms with an indicator of 32,2 billion dollars or 40,14% of the global package of orders.

        The second place is occupied by India with a volume of 7,547 billion dollars (9,41%).

        The third place according to the results of 2011 is occupied by the United Arab Emirates - $ 4,962 billion (6,18%).

        According to the results of 2011, the following places in the ten largest world importers of military products are: $ 3,375 billion (4,21%), Indonesia - $ 3,3 billion (4,11%), Malaysia - $ 2,981 billion ( 3,72%), Australia - 2,851 billion dollars (3,55%), Taiwan - 2,81 billion dollars (3,5%), Great Britain - 1,934 billion dollars (2,41%) and Russia - 1,87 billion dol (2,33%).

        taken: http://voen-obozrenie.ucoz.ru/publ/armija/rossija/rossija_voshla_v_desjatku_stra
        n_importerov_oruzhija / 21-1-0-110
    2. vadimN
      vadimN 13 June 2012 12: 11
      +6
      What for? it’s easier on purchased ones - the rollback is the same, but there is no crap with production ....
  6. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 13 June 2012 12: 11
    +4
    There are no comments! Indeed, why do we then lose one tender after another? The whole planet will soon look like clowns.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 13 June 2012 14: 17
      +2
      Yes, they are already watching.
  7. 755962
    755962 13 June 2012 12: 13
    +3
    It’s like, what does it look like? What the ... We used to surprise the World with our developments, now we also surprise ..... with our stupidity.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 13 June 2012 15: 51
      +3
      Quote: 755962
      now we also surprise ..... with our stupidity.

      Eugene, welcome! Not his own, Makarov-Sedyukovskaya, but looking at them the whole world perceives us the same ..
  8. jar0512rus
    jar0512rus 13 June 2012 12: 14
    +2
    I watch Makarov not letting go! Already in the government, they clarified everything in a straightforward manner about foreign-made equipment, but he wasn’t interested in anything, just a fetish!
  9. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 13 June 2012 12: 17
    +5
    Quote: vadimN

    What for? it’s easier on purchased ones - the rollback is the same, but there is no crap with production ....

    You are right, we took the pricing of our products seriously, you won’t get a lot there. And here are tests, new tools for creating a joint venture - a sea of ​​opportunities and loopholes.
  10. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 13 June 2012 12: 17
    +5
    I can assume that you need to seize all the alcohol from the chief of the General Staff, is abusing. Honestly, it’s not funny for me anymore.
  11. Owl
    Owl 13 June 2012 12: 23
    +2
    The "Chinese system" would be understandable (they looked, "copied"), but these "military leaders" are trying to "launder" as much money as possible for organizing the "screwdriver production" of several hundred objects or purchasing finished products instead of developing and producing their analogues in Russia. It is necessary to destroy such enemies in the State, if, of course, We live in the State, and not in a country where the Motherland is, for the "leaders" there is only a set of letters.
  12. Ergenekon
    Ergenekon 13 June 2012 12: 23
    -1
    see how he rolls through the snowdrifts or just a SUV.)
    1. Korvin
      Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 18
      0
      Yeah, in Finland, all the snowdrifts in the floor.
  13. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 13 June 2012 12: 26
    0
    I see nothing wrong, this is the best modern wheeled armored personnel carrier. A generation younger than a centaur and much more adapted to our conditions. The only negative is of course the price. To me "Boomerang-25" looks more like AMV than "Centauro".
  14. Nechai
    Nechai 13 June 2012 12: 29
    +3
    Quote: vadimN
    and there is no crap with production ....

    But with everything else - one hemorrhoid. Well, it’s not for him to operate, restore, conduct b / actions. Dismissals, landing floors for such "smart guys" are light spanking - like a naughty boy, he was slapped. HANGING and all for a short time .... From time immemorial, traitors in Russia were hung, they were tied to two tops of trees and released into "free" and eternal flight.
  15. dmitrich
    dmitrich 13 June 2012 12: 29
    +3
    that the minister, that the chief of the general staff is not adequate. Maybe Putin’s picking them up with fools is easier to work with.
    1. cord
      cord 13 June 2012 13: 30
      +2
      Or maybe he is recruiting "brothers in mind"?
  16. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 13 June 2012 12: 29
    0
    By the way, an AMV option called HAVOK has a chance of becoming an APC for the U.S. ILC.
  17. Srgsoap
    Srgsoap 13 June 2012 12: 31
    +5
    Damn it ... we buy armored personnel carriers from the dates, the next step is from the amers of the M4 rifle, the leopards are not very smart .... I can’t write further .... there’s a pun, using our idiomatic expressions .... to say the least ...
  18. awg75
    awg75 13 June 2012 12: 33
    +4
    you can’t buy someone else’s armored vehicles --- otherwise it won’t be ours. Invest only in Russian
  19. Eugene
    Eugene 13 June 2012 12: 38
    +1
    Well, here at least it pleases that the Finns are leaders in the class of similar armored personnel carriers and our relations with them are normal. Maybe something good will come out.
  20. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 13 June 2012 12: 41
    0
    Quote: Mr. Truth
    I see nothing wrong, this is the best modern wheeled armored personnel carrier.

    If Russian industry is no longer able to create such a combat vehicle, then you don’t need to fool anyone but submit an application to NATO or the Chinese will trample.
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 13 June 2012 12: 59
      +2
      Our assholes did not like the "Rostok" because of the high weight of 21 tons! As if the Finnish box is lighter than 24t! Ours and in terms of armament will be steeper.
      1. Korvin
        Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 21
        +1
        It’s lighter. It has a tighter weight for air transport. But customers mostly choose a heavy armored version with full stuffing.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 13 June 2012 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      If Russian industry is no longer able to create such a combat vehicle

      It is necessary to hang thieves and traitors, disperse stupidity and lazy people and recruit normal people into the leadership. I do not believe that out of 140 million three dozen professionals will not be selected.
  21. kasper
    kasper 13 June 2012 12: 45
    +2
    We do not need overseas toys, we ourselves can do this, only many times better and cheaper !!!!
  22. bamboo
    bamboo 13 June 2012 12: 54
    +3
    , a gun with invisibility technology !!!!!!!!!! complete nonsense, in one place, someone who needs to shove it flat on her !!!!!!!!!!!

    , a gun with invisibility technology !!!!!!!!!! complete nonsense, in one place, someone who needs to shove it flat on her !!!!!!!!!!!
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 13 June 2012 13: 04
      +2
      it's called no pants but a hat! You can buy such crap for the BTR-90 cannon from the Finns, if you yourself aren’t able to, and why the BTR!
  23. cord
    cord 13 June 2012 13: 17
    +4
    We are waiting for a tambourine of leavened petriots that, they say, we need technologies, and as soon as they appear, after purchasing foreign equipment, then ... Well, witnesses of stability, tell me what mega-technologies can have the humble Finns needed for Russia? And about the chief of staff and Serdyukov - they can't even breathe without a command "from above", because the purchase of foreign equipment is not about tucking a fur coat into your pants. So, keep winding kilometers of noodles on your ears about kneeling, advanced technology and other skolkov. This pepelats will make an excellent company "Ivecs", "Mistrals", "Centaurs". And so that all this was covered with German armor!
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 13 June 2012 16: 27
      0
      Hooray! Russia has risen so high "from its knees" that it can invest money in the development of other people's industries ... am
  24. wulf66
    wulf66 13 June 2012 13: 24
    +4
    There are no normal words ... some abusive.
  25. forma2
    forma2 13 June 2012 13: 29
    0
    I think it’s okay to take a couple of copycockers and test their capabilities at the training grounds, to fire from all sorts of stuff.
    We will get two results: what is their armor worth and what is our opener of their armor (ATGMs) worth.
    And according to the results, we will see the need for adopting them.
    We will also get two results: healthy competition for domestic developers and advanced machines for our soldiers.
  26. dred
    dred 13 June 2012 13: 34
    +1
    Not only Rogozin will allow this disgrace. One forum, as you comment on the characteristics of this brt.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 June 2012 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: dred

      Not that Rogozin will allow this disgrace.

      And where will he go?
  27. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf 13 June 2012 13: 44
    0
    Test - test) Let's see interesting design solutions, take something into service - maybe even buy a few in order to disassemble. Unfortunately, the design school has almost died out - from old age. And few young people go to this area. And unfortunately, no one has made a fundamentally new technique until today. Now they threw it, but they understand that there is not enough of those ingenious designers that were in the USSR, and modern ones simply have no experience. Therefore, I think it is correct, let them buy and study, since there is a very large gap after the collapse of the USSR. There is nothing to be ashamed of in this - no. Remember how we bought the first tanks from the French, the famous kid Renault. The same lend-lease in WWII, and when there was an opportunity we took something good and made the best out of it. The same America was made by the Germans and actually all of Europe. And they dismantled our planes that were planted by traitors into bolts and nuts to see our super unique technologies, it was the same in the opposite direction. But now we are lagging behind new technologies, and we just need to figure out what's what - then we will again take the lead.
    Those Mistrals .. When was the last time we launched a large ship, with high technology, laid down in Russia, and not the USSR? Submarines - yes, the base has been preserved, there were people who wanted to save our submarine fleet and partly thanks to them, they did not completely destroy it. But with the surface it turned out worse. Especially because of the collapse, our head design bureaus were fragmented and were simply in different countries. Now they have finally taken up this, so let them restore our leadership in the arms branch and let our scientists and designers again amaze the world with their developments and their minds!
    1. cord
      cord 13 June 2012 13: 57
      +2
      Well, if Russia, which is the leader in the export of armored vehicles, technologically lagged behind ITALY AND FINLAND, then I don't even know ... And on the occasion of the Mistrals - remember the helicopter carrier Moskva! Well, if only there was absolutely rotten stuff, but there were also serial deliveries of equipment and now, which is a shame, on the one hand, there are gallant promises of "Armata" supplies, and on the other, foreign equipment is being quietly tested. Let it be decided, or we do everything ourselves. or we openly admit that there are no modern technologies, we stop hanging noodles and all the lies about stability are left in formation.
      1. Eugene
        Eugene 13 June 2012 15: 52
        +2
        Of course, our weapons have lagged behind now mostly those who have strained with money and relations with the United States are not very good.

        Helicopter carrier Moscow - Stone Age. Moreover, the EMNIP was built in Nikolaev, almost all the heavy surface ships were built there, with the exception of the Eagles.
    2. Korvin
      Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 25
      0
      But who will sell it to this fool.))) It didn’t let him buy a French hat that no one else would buy except Makarov)))) If they sell it, they’ll be sold in completely bare configuration like any Slovenia, Poland, or other NATO brothers that aren’t God forbid, they haven’t studied and not been sober-minded in terms of technology
    3. Yuriy66
      Yuriy66 13 June 2012 20: 00
      0
      xzWhite Wolf. Thanks for your analysis. The cheers-patriots only hang on KOLili. good
  28. Nechai
    Nechai 13 June 2012 13: 46
    +3
    Quote: bambu
    gun with invisibility technology !!!!!!!!!! utter nonsense

    Well, you have to AT LEAST something to justify - albeit at least complete nonsense. In addition to the corruption, flirting with the Zapadlian civilization, increasing the dependence of the COMPONENTS, I think there is another not obvious, but decisive aspect. To the ruling bourgeois-criminal class, oh, how I do not want to REVIVAL strong and united domestic PRODUCTION and SCIENTIFIC teams. They don't buy dem-liberal cartoons, like catastrophe and reform. And with your hands to create a gravedigger for yourself - price nonsense! In the global conflict, the gentlemen are not going to take part at all, and for LANs and K.T.O. you can even get something in the foreign country. Again, not without adding to personal accounts, in the same place abroad. Fools they think that since they have something to be listed there, then forcedly, urgently, then upon arrival at a new place of residence, they will be given these riches to be completely disposed of. Well yes, well yes, blessed are the believers! As soon as they become unable to fulfill the orders and requirements of the senior "partners", they will instantly write them off. Learn history, gentlemen. Naturally, not a sleek Western version, but a real one .... Except for your country with its inhabiting, despised by you, sivolapy cattle, you are NOT needed anywhere and in FIG!
  29. warrior
    warrior 13 June 2012 13: 56
    +1
    Have fun with you guys!
    But you finally decide - Italian or Finnish, or maybe second-hand Bulgarian.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2012 14: 48
      +5
      Warrior, you wanted to say: Russian equipment. Why do we need to buy our old equipment from you, or is Bulgaria now releasing its own? And yes, Kalash fake.
  30. zombies
    zombies 13 June 2012 13: 59
    +3
    Our warriors with big stars on the shoulder straps resemble the Papuans, just got out of the jungle and grabbing everything in a row, if only the packaging was beautiful ... The general liked the machine and we will all buy them, such a small whim for several billion .... Superfluous a reason to be convinced of the complete incompetence of the top army leadership — with such a generality, you can buy a lot of money with zero effect into the army ..
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 June 2012 14: 13
      +3
      They don't think about shopping efficiency, but about their own emissions. How many of our projects are trying to bury for the sake of gay priyutsk "friends". Even if the Finns themselves are crazy about such a proposal, and buy only for the sake of a square fluff, but you order here, they will make you even in the shape of a Star of David. And what do you need a stealth for the barrel?
    2. Korvin
      Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 31
      0
      They are the Papuans in the shuttle. At the previous exhibition, he saw a German Boxer and wanted a boxer ... Apparently he was told how much he costs and that he pressed his Wishlist stronger. Now he wants Patria ... also not cheap. We are waiting for the next Eurosatori)))
  31. танк
    танк 13 June 2012 14: 11
    +1
    Of course, the technique is not evaluated by these criteria, but it is scary, like my life ...
  32. harrymur
    harrymur 13 June 2012 14: 19
    0
    for me let them take it for a test, the Finnish bester is one of the most successful and balanced models at the moment, take a look at how many pieces and how many countries operate them, our engineers will figure out what solutions are useful for our products
  33. htpm100
    htpm100 13 June 2012 14: 25
    +1
    Hmm, like we are waiting for a boomerang and we are going to buy Finnish armored personnel carriers, it seems to me more and more that for a long time they have spit on the boomerang and armature and are preparing to purchase foreign equipment right up to the tanks, it's a pity.
  34. Karabin
    Karabin 13 June 2012 14: 30
    +2
    Patria AMV
    Machine for the war with the Papuans. Or maybe they are trying to arm the future national guard?
    1. Korvin
      Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 32
      0
      There are no Papuans in Finland, only our tourists)))
  35. sergey261180
    sergey261180 13 June 2012 14: 30
    -2
    Normal batr. Modern. Foreign car in one word. It is necessary to purchase such.
  36. Strashila
    Strashila 13 June 2012 14: 38
    +3
    Our northern neighbor is in shock ... the Russians have something to buy from weapons ... they got stoned or something, they always bought, but so that from them ... The collapse in the administration of the Ministry of Defense was 101%. In the old days, no one would bother with the purchase ... they gave the command to the SVR and the GRU, got the result, and there let the specialists look, it is necessary ... it is not necessary and in what form.
  37. sergey69
    sergey69 13 June 2012 14: 41
    0
    Once the Finns bought in the USSR BTR-60 and T-72 tanks. And as regards purchases, your president recently said that arms will not be bought abroad. Only single samples. Either the president lied or will really buy a couple of samples.
  38. lcalex
    lcalex 13 June 2012 14: 43
    +4
    We buy ships in France, Beters from the Finns ...

    Soon we will purchase submarines in Zimbabwe ... Ugh fool
  39. vorobey
    vorobey 13 June 2012 14: 45
    +3
    Through the rockfalls, through the moth wet with moisture,
    along mountain ranges, along white dews and cities
    dumb herd to the distant goal led Makar.
    Definitely, he was not tormented by the question "where".

    - There, where summer is the hope of an eternal apologist,
    - where maize grows from the zenith to the horizon,
    - and strokes the wind of all burnt in milk,
    - and someone bright
    - leafs through the sky, not looking down.

    He walked along the edge, was desperate on the way -
    when in the dark, saving up minutes for faithful deeds.
    At the passes, not noticing what's behind
    calves died with a dying thought about a swan.

    During the night of wanderings, the shepherd namayalsya and tired.
    It’s impossible to reach the last milestone - not to catch it.
    He sat on a stone ... emptiness was fooling around.
    And only a long echo swept from above - muuuuu ...

    Ekaterina Grigorieva
  40. Leisure
    Leisure 13 June 2012 14: 57
    +2
    How many Finns promised to roll back.
  41. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2012 15: 03
    -1
    And I can buy our patria and then they will start thinking, and the machine is good.
    1. cord
      cord 13 June 2012 15: 40
      +5
      Yeah, after "Ivek" they began to think - just know they are assembling a constructor from the sets supplied from over the hill, but the "IVECO" nameplate is changed to "Lynx".
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2012 15: 44
        +1
        You need to push until you come to your senses. Here’s an example of why aircraft builders who were in utter shit understand everything and go out of their way to restore the production of something new to do and another state to carry out. And those who were in a much better position are not a damn thing. Private owners komazov typhoon will finish by the year 13 and the first samples that show well are just a sight for sore eyes and we buy as usual all hell.
        1. cord
          cord 13 June 2012 16: 50
          +3
          To "Typhoon" as far as walking to the moon. Russia is the record holder for the number of advanced equipment presented at exhibitions and only in single copies, which remain so. And there are combat robots, and armored vehicles and everything, everything, everything, but an empty sound comes out. How much was this long-suffering "Tiger" PR and why?
        2. танк
          танк 13 June 2012 17: 02
          +1
          Alexey Prikazchikov, Sorry, of course, but I re-read your comment 2 times and did not understand what you wanted to say!
        3. Karabin
          Karabin 13 June 2012 17: 51
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Push must push

          You can crush to death. Who will reanimate then? New knee lifts?
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2012 19: 20
            -1
            I do not propose destroying the military-industrial complex, but either go through a joint venture with the Istrans or put it into service when buying technology. And to frighten so that they know that they have an alternative as soon as Ivek bought immediately the scraps went like piroshki.
          2. Korvin
            Korvin 13 June 2012 19: 38
            +1
            The creators of the Boomerang are already rushing about like in a fever ,, Makarovskaya ,,))) After the past, a khachubokser, the chief engineer in the media said that the Boomerang will be made modular (like a Boxer) now, khachupatriya, there are probably yelling: - Vasya, stop cooking these modules urgently rivet the stealth cover on the cannon! Wait, Vasya, this m ... k again stopped at someone’s booth at the exhibition, he would tell obedient Che))))
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2012 23: 35
              -2
              Well, duck and rightly so it should be, it’s ours anyway, but it’s a scare.
  42. party3AH
    party3AH 13 June 2012 15: 19
    +1
    Nikolai Makarov said that the military department would not mind testing this armored car at their training grounds and, in the case of good results, consider purchasing. It was evident that the Finns were surprised by such an offer.
    And how did not surprise? Manufacturers of the best weapons in the world buy equipment on the side ??? It is possible to fuck up *, the Finns will go into a weekly binge.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 June 2012 15: 28
      +2
      Yes, no sooner sober up, they have a drinking bout this natural permanent state.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2012 15: 45
      0
      What is it better than brt 80 better than patria ah ?!
  43. Aleksey43
    Aleksey43 13 June 2012 15: 39
    +1
    Makarov’s mine completely blew away. He understands what needs to be done, something that needs to be done. And what he doesn’t know (or lacks intelligence), he throws himself from one extreme to the other. Makarov, be human, retire sad
  44. werr17
    werr17 13 June 2012 15: 46
    +2
    kapets, how so ?? Not far off, camping trip, the purchase of Chinese fighters and South African helicopters! complete nonsense...
  45. patriot2
    patriot2 13 June 2012 15: 49
    +1
    Nobody understood Makarov, so he wants to buy a couple of his generals and ride them around Mother Russia when he retires. And you can hunt, and even fish for a little fishing.
  46. vorobey
    vorobey 13 June 2012 15: 59
    +4
    I re-read the article.

    The head of the General Staff was impressed by the Finnish armored vehicle Patria AMV. It looks really menacing. The impression is enhanced by a gun made in the style of invisibility technology.
    http://topwar.ru/15329-nikolay-makarov-rossiya-gotova-k-zakupke-bronemashiny-pat
    ria-amv.html

    All ..... no more words. Directly according to Freud, invisible phallic symbols, or the scribe crept unnoticed.
  47. 1st_user
    1st_user 13 June 2012 16: 40
    +3
    Meanwhile, all this, alas, in all seriousness. The greatest shame in the history of the Russian state! An armored car is not so sophisticated and advanced technology that it was impossible to produce in Russia.
  48. dred
    dred 13 June 2012 16: 51
    0
    Quote: Karabin
    And where will he go?

    Ragozin still oversees our defense industry.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 13 June 2012 19: 19
      +1
      Quote: dred
      "Rogozin still supervises our military-industrial complex."

      And where will he go ...
  49. PLO
    PLO 13 June 2012 16: 55
    +4
    shoot the bitch
  50. Optimist
    Optimist 13 June 2012 17: 22
    -1
    Peered for a long time at the photo of Patria AMV, and in front of it has a lot of lever?))

    But in fact, suppose that these purchases are needed:
    -for testing foreign equipment (countries that are not quite friendly to us);
    -After identifying all the advantages and disadvantages, the creation of your BMP. embodying all the advanced developments like safety, stealth, etc. (after all, in terms of the security of the crew and the landing, I think we have something to learn)

    But this is my personal opinion ...
    1. Korvin
      Korvin 13 June 2012 21: 10
      +1
      Based on this assumption, one should buy really advanced conceptual models from the firms BAE, General Dynamics, Rheinmetall, Krauss-Maffei-Wegmann, but for now we see the purchase of technologies from the middle of the last century in the cheapest option at fabulous prices)))