Israeli system of active defense Trophy "try on" the German Leopard 2

Germany, following the United States, may purchase Israeli active defense complexes (KAZ) for its tanks. The German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmenn announced joint tests with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems of the Trophy system ("Meil ruach" - "windbreaker") on the Leopard 2 tank, reports "Warspot" with a link to the portal jpost.com.

According to the publication, tests of the KAZ Trophy on the Leopard 2 tanks will take place in several stages, starting this year. The first 17 tanks with an already integrated Israeli defense system are planned to be received before the 2021 year, and from the 2023 year the Bundeswehr plans to receive the first tank unit for use in the NATO Joint Task Force. Further plans are not reported yet. According to known data, now in the Bundeswehr serves 155 tanks Leopard 2A6, 50 machines modification "2A6M" and 20 Leopard 2A7. 176 combat vehicles are distributed between four tank battalions. The rest of the technique performs the functions of training and is located in the appropriate connections.

It is possible that the use of KAZ Trophy on German tanks will be carried out during the modernization of Leopard 2 to the level of Leopard 2A7V, which is being conducted by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann on the order of the German Defense Ministry.

Earlier it was reported that the US Department of Defense chose the Israeli active defense system for installation on the M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks of ground forces and the Marine Corps.

The Trophy Active Protection Complex (“Meil Ruach”) was developed and produced by the Israeli company Rafael with the participation of the IAI Elta. Designed to detect and destroy missiles and projectiles RPGs and anti-tank missiles fired at the tank.

Comments

[Aaron Zawi]

Trifle, but nice.

[ANCIENT]

Aron-only this KAZ is ineffective against sub-caliber and supersonic ammunition, and against the Turs, it is useless all the more! !

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ANCIENT

Aron-only this KAZ is ineffective against sub-caliber and supersonic ammunition, and against the Turs, it is useless all the more! !

And he is not designed for this. Against these threats, passive armor works quite well today. But she does not hold ATGM.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And he is not designed for this. Against these threats, passive armor works quite well today. But she does not hold ATGM.

Modern BOPS and passivation no longer hold too much ...

[bessmertniy]

Well, if Israel makes a trifle on such deals, then I can’t understand what is the point. I think that earns a lot. And a lot.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: bessmertniy

Well, if Israel makes a trifle on such deals, then I can’t understand what is the point. I think that earns a lot. And a lot.

Really little things. But we consider these deals to be serious deals.

Intel, one of the largest in the world, is investing 40 billion shekels ($ 10.8bn) to build a new plant in Israel. As reported by "Yediot Ahronot" on Tuesday, January 29, the leadership of the world giant preferred Israel to two other countries - Ireland and Singapore.

[Wolf]

Aron is a fully economic investment. In peacetime there are no risks. So the question is who is on top of the Intel property? It looks like the purchase of Germani BAE in England.

[Doliva63]

Is Edith an Israeli newspaper?

[haham]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Really "little things"

And one more "trifle", but nice.
Israel's "Iron Dome" will protect the US Army.
The Iron Dome will defend the US Army for the first time.

[Albert1988]

Quote: haham

The Iron Dome will defend the US Army for the first time.

It means that? What the US Army is very tight with new developments ...

[Same lech]

It remains to verify this in a real battle with a strong opponent.
How many times have the Tigers, Leopards, Abrams, Merkavas been publicized ...
these tanks always burned with the proper organization of the battle against them.

[Sailor]

So they are preparing for this, you will see the next will be the British, the French will try to make their own KAZ, and they will not sell it to all Poles and the like, because someone must die a brave death in the struggle for the values ​​of the Western world against the Russian occupants. But the fact that the Germans were involved in this adventure is a wake-up call for this is the most skillful and staunch soldier (from the Western world), and the German tank school is the best and "Leo" is the best tank in the Western world.

[Lieutenant Senior]

This will not help)))

[irazum]

Of course, the system was successfully tested in combat conditions. The Germans are not fools.

[saabb]

The Germans are not stupid, the system is really checked on the battlefield

[ANCIENT]

Irem, tell me, please, in what battles has this system been tested? ?? Who and what the bullet on it - incomprehensible videos and photos do not lay out, the Internet is blocked by them! !!

[Pimply]

Quote: ANCIENT

Irem, tell me, please, in what battles has this system been tested? ?? Who and what the bullet on it - incomprehensible videos and photos do not lay out, the Internet is blocked by them! !!

"Not true!" - Thomas does not believe. "This is a lie! This elephant does not look like an elephant at all!"

[Albert1988]

Quote: Pimply

"Not true!" - Thomas does not believe. "This is a lie! This elephant does not look like an elephant at all!"

Believe it or not, elephant and elephant are different - on the islands of the Indonesian archipelago, elephants live up to 2 meters in height, and only some 20-30 thousand years ago, populations of dwarf mammoths as large as ponies lived on some islands ... that not all "elephants" are the same)))))

[Pimply]

Quote: Albert1988

Believe it or not, elephant and elephant are different - on the islands of the Indonesian archipelago, elephants live up to 2 meters in height, and only some 20-30 thousand years ago, populations of dwarf mammoths as large as ponies lived on some islands ... that not all "elephants" are the same)))))

However, the common signs are the same.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Pimply

However, the common signs are the same.

Exactly, only one such "elephant" will not even be taken by an elephant with a special cartridge, while another can be hit on the head with a stick and it will turn off ...

[Pimply]

Quote: Albert1988

Exactly, only one such "elephant" will not even be taken by an elephant with a special cartridge, while another can be hit on the head with a stick and it will turn off ..

We are now talking about elephants or about the hysteria of a particular user, to whom the sweetest organization Hamas itself laid out a video of attempts to defeat Israeli tanks, but he doesn’t believe 8)?

[Krasnodar]

More South Koreans will buy.

[Sergei 777]

The Germans have long-standing relations with Israel in the military-industrial complex. Some German submarines of the Dolphin type in Israel are worth something.

[saabb]

Yes, the Germans love Israeli drones, and Russia once bought

[Sergei 777]

And even produced under license.

[Wolf]

What's the question? Rothschildy owners Germany and England.

[indy424]

and a piece of Mars yet, you forgot

[Wolf]

Maybe Mars? Another Mletkov capital, he concentrated nowhere else.

[Alexga]

Well, I don’t know - I don’t know. After the destruction of a dozen second leopards in Turkish Sun with the help of GPG-7, the Germans should really think about the future of tank construction. But we always considered German tanks to be the main enemy in the European TVD.

[Oquzyurd]

Where do you get such numbers? (Ten) The Turks lost 3 old leopards, and they were knocked out from the stern.

[voyaka uh]

One from the stern. Two on the side.
Moreover, one ATGM, breaking through the side of the front of the tower, hit the shells (several pieces are stored there). With detonation.
These are exactly the cases where Trophy is most effective in defense.

[Alexga]

For example, here https://defence.ru/editors-choice/istochnik-tureckie-voiska-poteryali-desyat-tankov-leopard-2-v-sirii-foto-video/
And you?

[Oquzyurd]

I watch Turkish channels, where every case is discussed, no matter what happens. They do not hide their losses in terms of equipment and people. For example, they definitely admit that 1 tank and 51 soldiers were lost in Operation Olive Branch (Asker) +220 a person from an armed group of the FSA.

[Krasnodar]

There are no burning tanks. They burned T-90s in Syria, does this mean that it is bad?
The trophy was tested against Cornet Hamas in Gaza, from which they repeatedly shot at the fourth carrots. Therefore, Amers and other owners of the tank troops "Vetrovka" acquire for the cebe.

[Doliva63]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, I don’t know - I don’t know. After the destruction of a dozen second leopards in Turkish Sun with the help of GPG-7, the Germans should really think about the future of tank construction. But we always considered German tanks to be the main enemy in the European TVD.

Who are you? Dreamers?

[Alexga]

We are the Soviet army. Do you have something against it?

[lucul]

I repeat once again - the admission of "foreigners" to secret developments is always fraught with the loss of technology.
Israel has many unique technologies of the USSR, thanks to immigrants. Roughly speaking, they carry out R&D at the expense of the USSR / Russia.

[brigadier]

Quote: lucul

I repeat once again - the admission of "foreigners" to secret developments is always fraught with the loss of technology.
Israel has many unique technologies of the USSR, thanks to immigrants. Roughly speaking, they carry out R&D at the expense of the USSR / Russia.

1. Since the sixties, Jews have not been allowed to shoot a cannon anywhere near any secret development. Even party members. Tolerance! You have correctly defined the attitude towards Jews in the USSR - "foreigners" From such happiness and left.
2. In Israel, immigrants from the former USSR were checked / persecuted in the most thorough way and were not allowed to any secret and defense developments. What yes - the children who came from the former USSR, having already received Israeli higher education, still actively participate in everything connected with high-tech and defense.

So Soviet developments with Israeli ones are completely alien and unfamiliar.

[ANCIENT]

The brigadier - but in the 90s, we recouped when we massively closed secret research institutes, and of them often all the documentation disappeared, and then exactly the products that these research institutes worked out suddenly appeared as if by a beckoning magic wand! Just don’t write to me that it’s all you yourself invented, and you did it - it’s not funny! !!

[brigadier]

Quote: ANCIENT

The brigadier - but in the 90s, we recouped when we massively closed secret research institutes, and of them often all the documentation disappeared, and then exactly the products that these research institutes worked out suddenly appeared as if by a beckoning magic wand! Just don’t write to me that it’s all you yourself invented, and you did it - it’s not funny! !!

Yes, already "six-wheel" are tired of arguing with you. Do you want to believe this nonsense? For God's sake! This raises the scientific and technological potential of your country in your eyes and lowers the scientific and technological potential of Israel in your own eyes - you can believe it. This will not make your inventions true.
If Jews were taken in the union at the research institute, it was only to those who were engaged in theoretical research and had no relation to practical application, especially defense. Who is who - but the special officers in the USSR worked in good faith!

[haham]

Quote: ANCIENT

suddenly, as if by a beckoning of a magic wand, you had

And make sure that the Jews from Israel with all the documentation come to you.
ALREADY LAUGHING.
In 1983, there were no Jews from the USSR, but Syria lost ALL 100% of its air defense.
And for the new technologies and weapons of Israel.

[Karenas]

Quote: haham

In 1983, there were no Jews from the USSR, but Syria lost ALL 100% of its air defense.
And for the new technologies and weapons of Israel.

And because of one traitor in the USSR (probably a Jew), who gave amers and Jews a description of the work of Soviet air-to-air missiles ...

[indy424]

yeah. in fact, Brezhnev was replaced; it was Yefim Bernstein, an agent of Beitar. before dying he managed to merge all the secrets, and put the body of the present on matzo

[Wolf]

Intelligence of Israel is one of the best in the world.

[Maz]

Quote: brigadir

Quote: lucul

I repeat once again - the admission of "foreigners" to secret developments is always fraught with the loss of technology.
Israel has many unique technologies of the USSR, thanks to immigrants. Roughly speaking, they carry out R&D at the expense of the USSR / Russia.

1. Since the sixties, Jews have not been allowed to shoot a cannon anywhere near any secret development. Even party members. Tolerance! You have correctly defined the attitude towards Jews in the USSR - "foreigners" From such happiness and left.
2. In Israel, immigrants from the former USSR were checked / persecuted in the most thorough way and were not allowed to any secret and defense developments. What yes - the children who came from the former USSR, having already received Israeli higher education, still actively participate in everything connected with high-tech and defense.

So Soviet developments with Israeli ones are completely alien and unfamiliar.

Tell this bike about the fact that the Jews were not allowed to my colleague in the bard club in Tel Aviv. He came a pro from Russia for growing crystals for combat lasers. Doshi is not sitting without work. My course in radio electronics is at DSU: in the group, I was the only one Russian by nationality, the rest were Jews. You should have seen their faces when they realized that I know mathematics and geometry and other physics better than them.
And about the fact that there is something that is also not allowed to be nonsense, if you chop it, take it and even take it to work.

[brigadier]

Quote: Maz

You should have seen their faces when they realized that I know mathematics and geometry and other physics better than them.

Well, I understand that you are in chocolate! You honestly have your 30K shekels a month, which is not bad in principle.
Inspired by a joke:

A man comes to the law office “Rabinovich-Brecher-Weinstein-Lidman-Katz and Ivanov” and asks that Ivanov conduct his business.
“But why not one of the other partners of the firm?” - asks his secretary.
“You know, the man says,” I somehow trust the business acumen of a man who managed to crawl into such a close company.

By the way, Jews never consider themselves smarter than others. This "others" think so.

Honestly, Maz, did anyone offend you or did you not give something or discriminated in any way because you are not a Jew? Honestly only. There are hundreds of thousands of "Russian" wives / husbands in Israel, and the one who is worth something has achieved everything he wanted and is successful. And doctors, and engineers and teachers and scientists, and the army is full of officers with Russian surnames. Garlic! Why are you so angry? Why are you so bad?
It feels like if the war begins, you will target the enemy aircraft with a flashlight from the roof ...

[Krasnodar]

Man did not find himself in Israel, that’s embittered.

[indy424]

most likely he is scribbling from the shmirah. that's evil

[Wolf]

Wee immediately at the national enmity. We must remember that there were many good experts in the Jews in the USSR. For the example of Kapitsa, this man even had the courage to tell Stalin! But we must admit the facts. We must remember that in the Holocaust forgive the Jews suffered. Rothschild, Warburg, etc. nobody touched, and their capital only increased after WWII? Every nation eats good and bad ice. There are no problems in Israel that bi had advanced weapons, eats a lot of good specialists and there is enough capital and intelligence is good, besides this, many famous concerns for the production of weapons in the world belong to Jews for the example of the French "Dassau" and so on. It should be added that the Jews have always lived with us for another time of the Gethites (Hititi) and everything was beating normally, amicably, and so we must continue!

[Alexey-74]

Well, the rear-view mirrors on the tank, of course, also enhance its security .... well, seriously, the Trophy is a serious rival to our Arena, and only a real battle will show better ...

[Leopold]

Strange, the article is about the KAZ Trophy, and in the photo the Swedish Barracuda on the Leopard? She also has other tasks - to ensure stealth, and not to shoot down attacking ammunition. Here is an article about such a "Cape".
https://topwar.ru/145316-kak-sdelat-tank-nevidimym.html

[saturn.mmm]

So one another is not a hindrance

[Leopold]

Um ... "Trophy" hid under the "Barracuda"? So that the adversary does not jinx it? Tady, OH!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Leopold

Um ... "Trophy" hid under the "Barracuda"? So as not to jinx the adversary?

Under hatches, technological openings in Barracuda are provided, if necessary, will be made for KAZ.

[Maz]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Trifle, but nice.

Well, the Arabs are not Syrians, much less Donbass militias, but if Kaz can keep them, then it’s the same thing. In the meantime, there is experience in combat only with single shots and even in ideal conditions. Neither in the forest, nor in the city, nor in the mountains of trophy was noted. So don’t seem like a gop until you jump. And they buy, it’s nothing better and more expensive for cutting dough. Do you know the price? Ahhh!

[Krasnodar]

Well, Arabs are not Syrians, much less Donbass militias
------
It's a pearl
You can say Pearl Harbor))

[Back]

Quote: Maz

Neither in the forest, nor in the city, nor in the mountains of trophy was noted.

And in space did not visit, and on the moon. I didn’t even fly to Mars. I just clambered to the tank. Like MAZ to Israel.

[high]

Quote: brigadir

1. Since the sixties, Jews have not been allowed to shoot a cannon anywhere near any secret development. Even party members. Tolerance! You have correctly defined the attitude towards Jews in the USSR - "foreigners" From such happiness and left.
2. In Israel, immigrants from the former USSR were checked / persecuted in the most thorough way and were not allowed to any secret and defense developments. What yes - the children who came from the former USSR, having already received Israeli higher education, still actively participate in everything connected with high-tech and defense.

So Soviet developments with Israeli ones are completely alien and unfamiliar.

After the execution of dozens of Jewish writers of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee in 1952, Jewish generals were dismissed, defense engineers were fired.
I read that the famous aircraft designer Gurevich (MIGi planes) was not allowed into the enterprise, and the developer of air defense systems, subsequently the developer of S-200, S-300 systems, Lyulyev was fired altogether.
Alas, Jews have not been hired since the beginning of the 50s, not only at defense enterprises .......
They could not take secrets to Israel, they were not allowed to visit them - they did not want to be second-class citizens, so they left the country.

[Back]

Quote: alta

They could not take secrets to Israel, they were not allowed to visit them - they did not want to be second-class citizens, so they left the country.

Yes, you just don’t know Jews, they tuned up their telepathic abilities, read all the documentation and telepathically passed on.

[ded_mazai]

Very good, positive, however!

[WOLF330]

Apparently quite an effective piece, if Rheinmetall is interested in it. Israeli-German "crossing" is not often seen.

[amr]

Quote: brigadir

Yes, already "six-wheel" are tired of arguing with you. Do you want to believe this nonsense? For God's sake! This raises the scientific and technological potential of your country in your eyes and lowers the scientific and technological potential of Israel in your own eyes - you can believe it. This will not make your inventions true.
If Jews were taken in the union at the research institute, it was only to those who were engaged in theoretical research and had no relation to practical application, especially defense. Who is who - but the special officers in the USSR worked in good faith!

Zionist overtones are read in your text)))
I think 110% that Israel has put a lot of effort into the leakage of many developments in the former USSR, while it wasn’t necessary to use a mossad or something else, just come with a small suitcase of dollars ... I even pointed out the special ones, was to buy a couple of hundred green .... there was a time an apartment in our country cost 2-3 thousand dollars so you have to be a moron not to use it, but we know not stupid people live in Israel)))

[Esteid]

Aloizych in a coffin in the rhythm of the turbine TEC spins ....
oh wonderful things yours, Lord! :-)