Where to get 800 billion Topilina?

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At the Gaidar Forum, the Minister of Labor and Social Security, Maxim Topilin, once again reminded compatriots how much money the Russian poor lack. He even told reporters how the income deficit of poor families was calculated and where this impressive, not frightening amount came from - about 800 billion rubles. Approximately the same, more precisely from 750 to 800 billion, Topilin counted back in December last year, when he answered the question of how many Russians do not have enough for the poverty rate in the country to finally become zero.

Our “almost official” network, the MIA “Russia Today”, and the official organ already real, “Rossiyskaya Gazeta”, rated the performance of the social minister quite positively. For what? Yes, at least for the fact that he plucked up the courage to put the problem itself. And let him do it not at a government meeting, and not even during the report in the Duma, but at the Gaidar forum. It seems that not only because they were listening to him, the main thing - they wanted to hear. However, “officialdom” is simply obliged to praise the minister, and it was hardly worth waiting for any critics, even constructive ones, because it has traditionally been the official media partner of the forum.





But business media, for the most part, as is well known, are more liberal than conservative, in one voice saying that Topilin explained how we can fight poverty. Honestly, after scrupulously reading the report of the Minister, as well as having read his comments on the sidelines of the forum, I did not find an explanation. But he found a quite distinct desire of the minister to come down from heaven to earth and already begin to distance himself from the various unpopular measures taken recently, such as pension reform.

In the comments to the publications, someone already maliciously recommended the members of the government, and not only to them, but “to all these officials who care about the people,” to take advantage of the well-known practice of total immersion: “plunge into the life of an ordinary citizen for a couple of months. To live on his salary, in his apartment, to look for a decent job, you look, and soberly assess the situation will begin? "

I do not intend to dispute the calculations of the minister, much less deny the need to combat poverty itself. I will confine myself only to stating the fact that someone after all has managed to bring these Russians to such poverty that almost a trillion rubles is required for its liquidation. It is necessary to take into account that from a representative of the department, who without any cardinal changes managed to save at least some inheritance of the union Goskomtrud, the Russians almost for the first time hear something intelligible and generally encouraging.

And it’s not for nothing that the “official” are so optimistic. It seems that even in 28 years they have not forgotten how to count in Minsotstrud, but for some ideas you have to knock on completely different doors. So, in Topilin's hands there is, let's say, almost everything. There is a balance on the subsistence level of the family, which the minister estimated at "20 thousands, let's say they get all 18". Accordingly, "this family’s income deficit is two thousand, the other has five thousand, the third has 25 thousand per person."

Summing up the family deficiencies, Topilin got the same 800 billions. This, according to him, “is a shortage of incomes, and for everything to fall exactly into the family where there is a shortage of incomes, in order to overcome poverty completely, you need about 800 billion.” Topilin even has an idea how to start making these 800 billions, and that’s all, hold on to the chairs, “events that are implemented as part of decrees”. So simple?

The minister can only be envied, because he even cited an example when he spoke about the construction of roads, which will influence the fact that high-yield jobs will be created. Immediately I recall the experience of Franklin Roosevelt, who, to get out of the crisis, attracted the unemployed to social work. But after all, it also took him years to fight poverty in rich America, and, moreover, US participation in World War II, surprisingly lucrative, by the way, for this country.

Where to get 800 billion Topilina?

US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on the radio. 1936 year

In general, the real recipes for finding the means that are necessary for overcoming mass poverty, cannot be found in the Minister’s speeches yet. Infrastructure development, targeted support for families with children is, of course, systemic measures, but somehow it will not be enough, as the character of one very popular New Year cartoon said. And then there’s one of Topilin’s predecessors in the ministerial chair of the social department, and now Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova told the participants of the same Gaidar Forum with enviable confidence that poverty in Russia (the favorite word of the late reformer) does not grow, but decreases.

Not at all in unison with Topilin, she voiced statistics, which asserts that in nine months the poverty level of the population was 13,3%, which is lower than last year’s similar level in 13,8%. But after all, the president of the country quite unequivocally demands that the poverty level be halved, albeit by the year of 2024. And it must be admitted that Rosstat’s interest, even from the mouth of the most compelling woman in the cabinet, is somehow not impressive or clinging. But billions Topilina cling tightly. Although even the latest increase in the minimum wage (MROT) does not fit in well with them - from 11 163 rubles per month to 11 280 rubles.

The president’s demand was refuted by none other than the more inveterate Gaidarist and liberal Alexei Kudrin, who is now abandoned by the head of state for a specific job in the Audit Chamber. He had long before the forum, more precisely, in October last year, said that the goal of reducing poverty by 50% is almost unreal. There will not be enough growth rates of GDP, or redistribution of resources. Thus, Kudrin, one may say, ahead of time actually suggested sending Tatiana Golikova and optimism, and all the calculations of Maxim Topilin into the trash can and optimism.

Meanwhile, the current head of the main control department, like his slightly less liberal counterparts, could hardly have thought of the methods and means that the already mentioned President Roosevelt used to fight poverty. After the Great Depression of 1928-1933, Roosevelt did not stand on ceremony with offshore zones, with various funds and non-profit organizations engaged only in money laundering, with financial offices that duplicated banks.

It was he who gave the big business an ultimatum: either invest in America or fail anywhere. It was Roosevelt who made government protectionism a normal practice, which his current successor in the White House Donald Trump is frankly abusing today. When Roosevelt immediately began to flourish and state regulation, which our liberals esteemed for exceptional evil, the state order flourished, from which, in the opinion of most Gaidarians, more harm than good.

Incidentally, Roosevelt had another “trick” - the massive closure of companies, which are now commonly called “managers”, but in fact they allow us to take to the side the incomes of real enterprises, which generally should be taxed and with deductions. . Remind you here, not quite by the way, in which office do we have such a CC? Yes, yes, the liberal Chubais - in Rosnano.

By the way, A. Kudrin even together with T. Golikova and M. Topilin for some reason did not recall the experience of one of the predecessors of the current minister in the social department, Alexander Pochink. It was he, also a flawless Gaydarovets and a liberal, at the finish of his very diverse bureaucratic career proposed to introduce a fixed minimum wage rate, mandatory not only for private but also for state-owned enterprises. The rate is hourly, so that the innovation will affect both temporary and seasonal workers, and with some effort - guest workers.


Today, very few people remember one of the last ideas of Alexander Pochinka.

Alexander Pochinok backed up his idea, which was not at all a sort of backstage declaration, clear calculations, which he put together in an explanatory note. It was just a few years ago, and the author, in his time, had a chance to get acquainted only with excerpts from it, but even in comparison with them, the calculations of the current Minister of Social Work look very modest. So, according to Pochain, with a mandatory minimum salary of about one and a half, or better, two minimum wages, Russian finances could become balanced in just a few months, and the budget would be reduced with a surplus, and there would be enough money for raising pensions .

It was enough just to remove all wages from the shadows, to force employers to remove them from envelopes. Someone will say that it was pure idealism, but why then the lobby of the oligarchs immediately set all dogs on the hapless minister - from the Duma, from the bureaucrats, and from the press? Wouldn't it be worth today to reanimate the idea of ​​the late Alexander Petrovich?
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  1. +12
    22 January 2019 09: 09
    Why bourgeois people? They only think about their condition.
    1. +5
      22 January 2019 09: 14
      Why why? And then who should they milk?
      1. +6
        22 January 2019 09: 17
        So they will wring out these 800 lard from the people, so as to give it back, so that everything remains as it was.
        1. +16
          22 January 2019 09: 56
          Quote: Pessimist22
          ... they will wring out from the people ...

          An aged former thimbler sits in front of the TV, watches economic news and is amazed: “But we considered ourselves dexterous guys!”
      2. +23
        22 January 2019 10: 04
        Quote: Destiny
        And then who should they milk?

        A fox runs through the forest. To meet her monkey.
        - Fox, where are you rushing so?
        - Yes, we have introduced a new progressive tax and excise taxes on fur. I’m afraid that they would not take off my last skin.
        The monkey, hearing this, rushes to run! I even overtook the fox.
        The fox in her back screams in surprise:
        “Monkey, what about you, Holozad, why be afraid?”
        Monkey turning on the run:
        - And then I, redhead, do not know the rules in our forest! They will start with the Holozady!
        1. +9
          22 January 2019 12: 24
          Quote: nils
          - And then I, redhead, do not know the rules in our forest! They will start with the Holozady!
          - that's just the author forgot mentioned that in times FDR The Americans built the roads practically for FREE (!!):
          "Millions of unemployed voluntary-compulsory sent to build roads, bridges, dams, power plants, airports, dig canals ... For youth, they created paramilitary labor camps in forests, uninhabited places. Food, housing for free. Salary - 30 dollars per month. 25 of them were sent to families. "
          and then it was fun-
          “To save the economy, it was necessary to print new money. A lot of money. And the people believed more in gold, which went on a par with paper dollars. Roosevelt prohibits in the country gold bars, coins (except for collectible). All citizens had to hand over a gold coin to the treasury at 22,6 dollars per ounce. Violators were threatened with 10 years in prison and (or) 10 thousand dollars in fines. When all the gold collected, an ounce rose Up to 35 dollars... So gracefully Roosevelt devalued the "green". Devaluating debts, increasing export competitiveness. To sweeten the golden robbery of the century, the president overturned Prohibition, which had been in effect in the United States since 1919. "
          1. 0
            22 January 2019 13: 38
            hi
            So gracefully Roosevelt devalued the "green". Devaluating debts, increasing export competitiveness. To sweeten the golden robbery of the century, the president overturned Prohibition, which had been in effect in the United States since 1919. "

            You noticed it correctly!
          2. 0
            22 January 2019 18: 20
            Quote: your1970
            the president overturned the prohibition that had been in effect in the United States since 1919. "

            You can add to this the pumping up of money by the American financial and industrial groups of a certain party led by a former corporal who launched the famous war. As a result, the United States seized 75% of the world's gold reserves. Almost all of this was done under the leadership of the country of the FDR.
    2. Underwater hunter
      +8
      22 January 2019 09: 39
      Where to get 800 billion Topilina?

      The question looks strange .. where is the population of the country and where they will take .. otherwise they do not know how
  2. +26
    22 January 2019 09: 18
    it was necessary to fight poverty when there was money, and not to hold Olympiads, to sponsor football clubs and in every possible way to increase their "attractiveness" for the whole world. now no money, no authority! only memories!
    1. +8
      22 January 2019 09: 43
      Now the Universiade will be in Krasnoyarsk. The budget is also equal to 10 compared with the original increase .... I myself have not seen, a friend spoke on the phone. He made security and fire extinguishing systems at the facilities. He says that the quality of work is zero. Finishers are 90% illegal migrants. The building up begins a month after the end of work ....
      1. +4
        22 January 2019 14: 00
        Quote: Minus
        Also, the budget is equal to 10 compared to the original increase ....

        because
        Quote: Minus
        Finishers are 90% illegal migrants.

        they are paid in black cash and at dumping prices, the rest is in their pockets. The state for them was a cash cow, neither the Olympics, nor the World Cup in football taught anything to the authorities. Although, perhaps, this is exactly all that is specially done for cutting. Then the question is: where are the supervisors? Or in proportion?
        1. +3
          22 January 2019 14: 03
          The controllers check everyone who’s in share and take their percentage to the pocket)))) Moreover, the most advantageous position is with the controller — it can have its own cash drawer at each rollback level)))))
  3. +5
    22 January 2019 09: 18
    Something often liberals and official slanderers began to talk about poverty, which they brought to the pen of the population — are they boasting to each other, passing this off to a layman, for concern about people's needs?
  4. +5
    22 January 2019 09: 20
    the cost of the Olympics in Sochi + the cost of the World Cup2018 = rating 33%
  5. +19
    22 January 2019 09: 22
    Where to get 800 billion Topilina?

    Probably in the same place as 25 million high-tech jobs.
  6. +5
    22 January 2019 09: 22
    It was enough just to remove all wages from the shadows, to force employers to remove them from envelopes. Someone will say that it was pure idealism, but why then the lobby of the oligarchs immediately set all dogs on the hapless minister - from the Duma, from the bureaucrats, and from the press? Wouldn't it be worth today to reanimate the idea of ​​the late Alexander Petrovich?

    Worth it. But the same fate awaits the resuscitator. And this is at best.
    Or they can either close, or even shoot. For do not think about the people. Delirium and utopia is all. Some obscurantism.
    And you need to think about the withdrawal of stolen capital in offshore. That's what a real official should do at work.
  7. +20
    22 January 2019 09: 33
    I remember how Pochinik decided to make pop stars pay taxes.
    Then all these Pugachevs with the Kirkorovs and Petrosyans cried and complained that the last fig was being sucked without salt. That Pochinok is a robber and his whole idea is pure gop-stop.
    And the artists are all poor creatures unhappy. Villas with Mercedes on credit, at 1.000.000% purchased. And they lead a non-monetary artistic life. And everything is bad with them, they even have nothing to eat and spend the night almost at the station.
    It was really fun to watch this whole comedy.
    1. +4
      22 January 2019 09: 48
      Quote: Tashkent
      I remember how Pochinik decided to make pop stars pay taxes.

      I remember too. They cried, unhappy people: "Maybe you don't need to collect tax from us? We are the elite!" crying
      1. +5
        22 January 2019 14: 02
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        We are the elite!

        they also participated in pre-election speeches and campaigned for pro-government and imperious persons involved, and then pay taxes. Not the elite, but ......
  8. +29
    22 January 2019 09: 37
    Where to get? They will take it from us .... They just shift it into their pocket ...... Here recently I wrote about 42 rubles for the purchase of potatoes for the National Guard, although it is traded in neighboring regions on agricultural sites from 8,5 to 12,5 rubles .... So I got minuses from Uryaklov .... They sent the matzo to the echo .... Although everything is checked, all the information on the public procurement website is ..... As now, public procurement of fuel for private security in the Moscow region is more expensive than 60 rubles per liter .... Normally, only one position in the bidding overpayment of 17 million of 50,9. And there are thousands of such positions !!! Tens of thousands!!! And then we are surprised at the yachts and the houses of officials ... Tfu, shame ...
    1. +2
      22 January 2019 09: 54
      Quote: Minus
      As now, public procurement of fuel for private security in the Moscow region is hanging at a cost more than 60 rubles per liter ..

      Do they have their own gas stations or something?
      1. +3
        22 January 2019 10: 35
        The price compared to Rosneft gas stations is overstated to 50% !!!!
      2. +8
        22 January 2019 10: 42
        The purchase contract at Rosneft-92, 95 and diesel fuel stations at a price of 60,25 62,25 and 64,25, respectively! And what is the price at Rosneft gas stations for a purchase for cash ??? A year ago, at the last place of work, I signed up a fuel card for fuel cards, so they also gave a discount !!!
        1. +1
          22 January 2019 10: 46
          Quote: Minus
          A year ago, at the last place of work, I signed up a fuel card for fuel cards, so they also gave a discount !!!

          Now I understand. At first I didn’t get it right how they buy.
    2. +2
      22 January 2019 12: 46
      Quote: Minus
      Ugh, shame ...

      The worthless commercial director of a small enterprise bought fuel and lubricants at a cost of about 17 rubles / liter, when at a gas station its price was 14 - 14, 20 ... What do you want from those who receive millions and billions as a result of price manipulations ...
    3. +1
      22 January 2019 18: 39
      Quote: Minus
      As now, public procurement of fuel for private security in the Moscow region is hanging at a cost of more than 60 rubles per liter .... Normally, only one auction item has an overpayment of 17 million out of 50,9. And there are thousands of such positions !!! Tens of thousands!!! And then we are surprised at the yachts and houses of officials ... Tfu, shame ...

      To write such crap (sorry mat is unacceptable laughing ) you must first read 200 pages of fascinating reading material 44FZ. Then it will become clear what and where is hanging, and what all this leads to. To discuss something, one must at least out of the corner of his eye familiarize himself with the subject of discussion. I once placed an auction for 570 rubles for the disposal of decommissioned office equipment and complex equipment. The application hung as expected, the auction took place. The contract was concluded based on the result of the auction for 000 rubles. So not everything that "hangs" is the amount spent. As for the markoshka potatoes, vegetables are characterized by significant seasonal price fluctuations, so the initial maximum contract price in autumn will be very different from that in spring. Public procurement is a rather burdensome process. It will take at least one and a half months in time. I don’t want to justify or accuse anyone, but judging by the source, like "I was told on the phone," is simply ridiculous for an adult.
  9. +6
    22 January 2019 09: 39
    Lord, but the loot has nowhere to go, Russia has reserves (ZV + "stub fund") of almost $ 600 billion. Another thing is that no one lets them into the economy, but mistakenly folds them under the pillow.
    1. +16
      22 January 2019 09: 45
      No, not under the pillow this loot. It is in circulation, scattered on deposits and the owners of LLC Russia brings profit ....
      1. +8
        22 January 2019 09: 57
        Exactly what's under the pillow. Kudrivshchina still lives (((The profit of OOO Russia is brought by other warehouses of money - all sorts of unaccounted for Surgutneftegaz and other shadow money boxes with tens of billions of dollars each
        1. +8
          22 January 2019 10: 14
          It turns out interesting about oil and gas. I talked with several oil workers from Vankor, all as one for Hodor) They say that as he arrived, they began to receive salaries for a month, as they had not received for a year. Equipped the life of the local population .... Hard workers received bonuses according to the results of the year; they personally gave cars to real hard workers .... As he left, they threw all the locals away, only the shift workers ... I’m not here for Hodor, it’s just possible attacking Russia now, but only out of revenge? And many hard workers are still for him ....
          1. +4
            22 January 2019 10: 28
            Quote: Minus
            And many hard workers are still for him ....

            so their salary was at that time higher than what they now receive at Rosneft (formerly Yukos).
            1. +4
              22 January 2019 10: 34
              That's it, that at that time .... And he gave the work to the local ... Now only shift workers on tenders .... Whoever won the development auction, he drills .... There is no work for the local .... Drink too much .. .. In the fall I talked with people from those parts ...
              1. +3
                22 January 2019 10: 36
                Yes, we have a lot of such in Novokuibyshevsk ... by the way, he is the only one who installed sewage treatment plants and actually modernized the production facilities. All the others only "made grandmas".
                1. +3
                  22 January 2019 11: 20
                  That is what the hard workers said, simple ... I don’t have any reason not to believe those people ... And I asked the managers and environmentalists for compliance with PTB ... And really encouraged me for my work ... I didn’t see it, I’m distant relative oilman told. He says that he flew in and personally handed out prizes to those who distinguished themselves in work. In cash, car keys .... And not to the bosses, but to simple hard workers .... And long before the presidential ambitions appeared ...
                  1. AUL
                    +1
                    22 January 2019 13: 21
                    I wouldn’t go into politics - no one would touch him! And we do not like political competitors, to say the least.
                    1. 0
                      22 January 2019 14: 35
                      [quote] [/ quote] And we do not like political competitors, to put it mildly. "Party, let me steer!" With "Komsomol" enthusiasm I decided to compete with "senior comrades", senior "comrades" indicated the place. smile
          2. +10
            22 January 2019 10: 28
            He had presidential ambitions and growing support. The Kremlin got scared, and then you know
          3. +2
            22 January 2019 18: 58
            Quote: Minus
            And many hard workers are still for him ....

            Before MBKh in Yuganskneftegaz (Yuganskneftegaz), all NGDUs (oil and gas production departments) were complex, i.e. included all enterprises that allow NGDUs to develop and operate deposits. And all there were oil workers with good salaries, social services. package, etc., including the "Veteran" program with a decent addition to the pension. MBH has brought all enterprises into the category of "service" and competing with each other. As a result, 10% of the employees of the NGDU remained oil workers, and all the rest lost their status, wages, and supplements to their pension. Given that the management of technological transport, which has 1500 units of various special equipment in its management, had 10 rubles in its authorized capital and all equipment on lease. So, in the event of bankruptcy and mass layoffs, only these 000 were distributed to 5000 workers. And MBH, somewhere in 10, did the same trick - he kept the salary for YUKOS enterprises for 000-1995 months and sent part of the ZP fund to buy up shares that were on the hands of the workers. The feint is phenomenal. The people at the points of purchase of shares stood like in a mausoleum. MBKh became almost the sole owner of Yukos in a week. Those who support him are pathological sclerosis, maybe even from the same ward laughing
            1. So do all large corporations. Alas....
              1. 0
                25 January 2019 22: 22
                Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
                So do all large corporations. Alas...

                Today, yes. But in the mid-90s, he was a pioneer in this business. In terms of optimizing unit costs, he was undoubtedly at the forefront. His people voluntarily agreed to cut a third of the salary, because whoever did not agree, he flew out naked altogether. Therefore, hard workers have nothing to be "for him". He seriously cut salaries, so that the oil industry stopped attracting new qualified personnel. The long northern ruble is over. He could and began to scatter, this North, but only the main mass, especially the workers, have nowhere to run.
                1. So in the mining and metallurgical industries: they cut people, outsource, etc.
                  Report: fewer people, more volumes, higher productivity!
                  1. 0
                    25 January 2019 22: 46
                    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
                    So it is in the mining and metallurgical industries: they are cutting people

                    Everything is like Marx's in Capital, remember? ".... the antagonism of classes inevitably leads to a social revolution, and that, in turn, becomes the cause of the change of socio-economic formations ..." We were taught this way .... as it is in life.
    2. 0
      22 January 2019 18: 03
      and mistakenly folds under the pillow

      is it wrong? Or, systematically destroy the remnants of the wild economy
  10. +3
    22 January 2019 09: 50
    We need normal managers in the financial system of Russia
    1. +14
      22 January 2019 09: 54
      Stalin and Beria? I agree ... But where to get them? And the current * masters of life * and the massacre abruptly than in 1917 will not build up their positions without a fight ... Probably there is only one option - a general strike .... But who will do that? Everyone has debts, loans ... We work for a penny and are afraid of losing revenue ...
      1. +2
        22 January 2019 10: 37
        Quote: Minus
        And the current * masters of life * will not be able to build up their positions without a fight, and the slaughter will be more abrupt than in 1917 ...

        ----------------------------
        Why will there be a massacre? Rather, not why, but by what forces? I’m even not sure that the whole police and guard will defend the current ones as one.
        1. +5
          22 January 2019 11: 08
          It will be, unfortunately ... Trained, objected to the dismissed ... Pensions at a height, normal salary ... Two years ago, a friend was fired from the cops a month before the minimum term of service for retirement ... He recovered from the court. I ask him why he left after recovery? He answers, everything is negotiated and distributed, I am not pleased, if I stay, I can sit down .... I said directly that they could throw some drugs to dismiss me .... I had seen enough of the cops since 2000 ... I remember as the head of overtaking in the Lenin Rovd ​​of Krasnoyarsk, I was protecting drug dealers .... Yes, all the districts of Krasnoyarsk had their own points at the regional departments .... And how do you feel about the tender for the purchase of 800 vehicles for 9 regions of Russia ???
          1. 0
            22 January 2019 12: 28
            Quote: Minus
            And how do you feel about the tender for the purchase of 800 autosacks for 9 regions in Russia ???
            -regions are different ...
            however, for example, ours is 30 years old and it is being strewed-not to change it?
            1. +1
              22 January 2019 13: 05
              Your region needs 90 avtozak? We have all the new KAMAZ trucks, in uvfin) and buses in the Ministry of Internal Affairs mainly) Purchase from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so the buses will mostly be))) The Ministry of Internal Affairs for what a lot of car wagons ???? Criminals in a lunar rover can be taken everywhere .... There was a convoy before the trial before the OXM, now it’s not good ... Why the hell are the cops under the detainees with a capacity of more than 20 people ???
            2. +1
              22 January 2019 13: 14
              It is for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and not for the FSIN ..... My neighbor bought me a house recently by the way ...
              I mean, a new neighbor has appeared ... At least once a week, Ufsinists call on him. He himself moved from Kyzyl, he bought a house ... At least once a week (usually twice) at 9 pm two kamaz escorts arrive .... The bosses drown the vodaru, they are steaming in the bath .. By the way, the bath is bigger than my house ... (Neighbor , who used to live there in a network of Shushensk shops responsible for alcohol) And the prisoners sit all night in Kamaz trucks ....
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                1. +1
                  22 January 2019 13: 22
                  Once again, the punishment should be adequate and targeted ... But it’s not so that the van has 12 hours without a toilet ... This is torture ... I am for the death penalty, for hanging and torture, but against this ...
      2. +4
        22 January 2019 12: 58
        Quote: Minus
        But who will do it? Everyone has debts, loans ... We work for a penny and are afraid of losing revenue ...

        All these debts and loans, as the situation with the write-off of the "gas debt" to Chechnya, has shown, are canceled by one decree ... Bankers, such as Gref, have not paid off their debts for depreciated deposits.
        1. +6
          22 January 2019 13: 40
          Ramzan will forgive GDP for everything .... Why would he swear with proud Chechens ... Afraid ..... Only if those who buried Chechen friends stand up and say their word, then Chechnya will not be a subject of the federation ... And the guarantor for they’ll overthrow the historic homeland ... But while the critical mass is just accumulating ... Over the past 10 months, officials have allowed themselves to express so many nasty things about the people, insulted as many times as they haven’t said since 91 years ... This is stupidity or confidence is that they can do everything and nothing will happen to them? I think that the second ... But they are sooooo much mistaken ....
    2. +1
      22 January 2019 10: 21
      Quote: Zircon Kinzhalovich
      We need normal managers in the financial system of Russia

      Or maybe it’s still better than specialists (highly qualified masters of YOUR business)?
    3. +3
      22 January 2019 10: 35
      Quote: Zirkon Kinzhalovich
      We need normal managers in the financial system of Russia

      -----------------------
      This is now about the same as throwing new calipers into a pile of scrap metal. The system itself needs to be changed.
  11. +11
    22 January 2019 10: 14
    Our government does not need the people. She needs people only in elections and when levying taxes. ALL!
    1. +8
      22 January 2019 10: 29
      Quote: Altona

      Our government does not need the people. She needs people only in elections and when levying taxes. ALL!

      I do not agree, with all due respect ... during the elections I need an electorate, with taxes, individuals. people do not need EVERYTHING!
      1. +7
        22 January 2019 10: 31
        Quote: polar fox
        I do not agree, with all due respect ... during the elections I need an electorate, with taxes, individuals. people do not need EVERYTHING!

        -------------------------------
        Actually, yes, we need an elohtorat, an individual and a population. People are not needed.
    2. +5
      22 January 2019 13: 03
      Quote: Altona
      She needs people only in elections and when levying taxes. ALL!

      As time has shown, the authorities have lost their sense of proportion and impunity to such an extent that the opinion of the people is not so relevant and meaningful for them. The authorities are afraid of one thing - national unity. Let's unite. Anyway, more, but living in bestial conditions with the arrogance and arrogance of all kinds of "servants" is already boring ...
  12. +3
    22 January 2019 10: 21
    And they found 650 billion to restore VEB. First, VEB made debts, then they put the superman Shuvalov there, and they send 650bn out of the budget there. How else?! Neither be nor live a country without this bank. That is why these funds are direct subsidies, i.e. irrevocable.
    1. +5
      22 January 2019 10: 33
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      Neither be nor live a country without this bank.

      --------------------------
      You yourself know very well whose it is and why Putin always needs money from Kostin if you need to finance some kind of project.
      1. +1
        22 January 2019 10: 39
        That is yes. A scam in the country is full. So they live.
    2. +2
      22 January 2019 10: 50
      Poor people survive as best they can, and there is no need to interfere with this. For example, my neighbor from the middle apartment upstairs. Once, hearing the rumble of doors in the entrance, such as never happened, I went out and saw that she was dragging some heavy bags, not holding the door. Thinking: "Explosives?!?", - I asked what was in them. And there are two details. You twist them together, and you get some kind of primitive device. This is how she feeds herself and her dog. And the authorities want to take away from the woman a part of the simple income and it is not a fact that they will give that part to the even poorer. And the dog will have nothing to feed, and it will die. The authorities, redistributing incomes among the poor, want to feed everyone from their hands with a half-empty spoon.
  13. +7
    22 January 2019 10: 35
    Tatyana Golikova with enviable confidence told the participants of the same Gaidar Forum that poverty in Russia (the favorite word of the late reformer) is not growing, but decreasing ...

    Listening to our officials for some reason, it turns in the language:
    "Sometimes it's better to chew than talk," as rightly said in a television ad ....
    This also applies to Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, in whom the first process proceeds incomparably better than the second. Speaking about investments and the economy, the former defense minister said: “People are our second oil, which, in the context of the development of a knowledge economy, will soon take its rightful place in value” ...
    So who is our shareholder and owner of the "second oil" at the present moment, from which these 800 billion will be produced? Announce the entire list!
    1. +3
      22 January 2019 11: 13
      Sovetskiy, yes, in that list the full list of power structures is listed; Lived to shame! To take from the poor alone, to give to the poorer, is the highest cynicism of power. Golikovs will let us around the world naked, and Topilins will catch and drown ((
  14. +3
    22 January 2019 11: 41
    America was led to a depression by a policy similar to ours. That is, marketers brought depression. Roosevelt introduced state regulation. But this does not seem to threaten us. Ours, as a prayer, constantly speak of even greater privatization. We need to privatize even more, more! Well, they are still privatizing urban property and utilities. Well, the remnants of state property are still being privatized. And then what will happen? It will probably be like in America the twenty-ninth year! And, we will be divided into 14 regions with a narrow specialization! Will be divided. And what will it give? Local independence? Create TORs. What will it be? Also an independent part of the former Russia. And who will manage in these independent regions? Yes, most likely TNCs. Ours have already been guided to death.
    1. +4
      22 January 2019 12: 38
      So everything is done under the multinational corporation .. and they call on us to love our Motherland, but they themselves sell it to quiet ...
  15. +1
    22 January 2019 11: 47
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    "Maybe you don't need to collect tax from us? We are the elite!"

    Bohemian partying ... MO in glamor!
  16. +1
    22 January 2019 12: 11
    Just gather together a "golden company" of hundreds of heads of districts of the Moscow region and colonels / generals of the BEP, somewhere in Magadan "for a meeting", and not let them out until they find where to get the required 800. The first two are already there, there are still 98 man.
  17. +3
    22 January 2019 12: 32
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
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    +2
    Where to get 800 billion Topilina?

    The question looks strange .. where is the population of the country and where they will take .. otherwise they do not know how

    Sure. Well, not Sechin or Miller - heads of state companies with salaries of 4,5 and 2,2 million rubles. On a DAY or from Siluanov with a salary of 1,7 million a month and other bureaucratic shobla with millions in income, look for these funds! And the people have already been clearly told - "no money, but you hold on"!
    1. +3
      22 January 2019 13: 15
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Well, it’s not Sechin’s or Miller’s ... and other bureaucratic shobls with millions of incomes to look for these funds!

      I always remember a joke:
      A Russian comes to a Jew to ask for a ruble loan, a Jew tells him:
      - Well, I'll give you a ruble, but you have to leave something on bail.
      - Yes, I have nothing to leave?
      “Yes, at least an ax.”
      - Okay, take it.
      “Listen,” the Jew says, “because it’s not profitable for you to just give the ruble.”
      Come on, will you give me two rubles in a year?
      - Well, the Russian answers. He took the ruble and was about to leave, but the Jew stops him:
      - Yes, but after all it will be difficult for you to give me two rubles in a year, you now immediately give me a ruble, then in a year it will be easier for you.
      Indeed, the Russian thought and gave the ruble back to the Jew. He comes out from a Jew and thinks:
      - Interestingly, there is no ax, there is no ruble and the ruble still has to, and everything seems to be right !!!

      In our case, every time money is taken from the people for the needs of the people ...
    2. AUL
      +2
      22 January 2019 13: 37
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Well, not Sechin or Miller — heads of state-owned companies with a salary of 4,5 and 2,2 million rubles. IN A DAY

      This is just a salary! Add all kinds of bonuses, bonuses, travel expenses, etc. - and you can safely multiply by 5 - 6! And, if you consider that in addition to the salary for the position, there are also all kinds of combinations, consultations, one-time services ... And even their own "candle factories" ... So feel free to multiply by 10, at least!
  18. +3
    22 January 2019 12: 33
    Finally, the phrase there is no money, but you hold on there .. spilled out in a specific figure - about 800 billion rubles.
  19. 0
    22 January 2019 12: 53
    Privatization has killed entrepreneurial freedom. A free market involves competition. Which
    competition can be discussed if bankruptcy is decided by the government. A holy place never happens.
    a weak entrepreneur will take a stronger place. If we are developing small business, we decide on
    forums ...
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  21. +1
    22 January 2019 13: 03
    We like to justify any "innovation" by the fact that it is so accepted in the progressive "West". But what is strange is that hourly wages are accepted throughout the "progressive west", but in Russia it is still not accepted ...
    1. 0
      22 January 2019 19: 34
      Quote: Snail N9
      hourly wages are accepted throughout the "progressive west", but in Russia it is still not accepted ...

      And what will the hourly wage give?
      We have an hourly rate of 100 rubles per hour per month, 165-169 hours of work, one of the largest offices in Moscow. The number of employees (as of 01.01.2017/49002/XNUMX) is XNUMX people, if not bonuses, there is nothing to do in such an office.
  22. 0
    23 January 2019 00: 40
    Hmm ... Of course, a difficult question. But you can explain simply:

    Dozens of eggs
    We wanted to buy
    But VAT increased
    And there are nine left ... ..

    Nine Eggs
    We ask the seller
    Gasoline has risen in price
    And there are eight left ... ..

    Housing and Utilities Rates
    Not happy at all
    And there were eight of them
    Already seven left ... ....

    But we have rockets
    Cool are there!
    We are proud of the missiles! ...
    Six eggs left ... ..

    Here sanctions are getting stronger
    And you need to support
    Oleg Deripaska ...
    And there are five left ... ..

    Anxious in the world
    And in Syria, the war ...
    There are already four eggs ...
    But ISIS Khan!

    Let's build factories there!
    Then forgive the debts!
    We introduce gas pipelines! ...
    There are three eggs left ....

    Chechnya has little money
    And Crimea must be given. ...
    There was a couple of eggs ...
    Well, we don’t get used to it!

    And again the crisis in the world!
    And oil hit the bottom!
    We "soak" everyone in the toilet! ...
    The egg is now one ...

    On all TV channels
    They say about harm ...
    How it all got! ...
    Counting down the end.
  23. 0
    24 January 2019 19: 37
    And to pinch the rich with a progressive tax is a forbidden topic for the government. But Roosevelt did well, he was not afraid of this, and therefore the people elected him four times. Not like ours.
  24. 0
    25 January 2019 06: 23
    Where to get so much money? So their people have already earned their labor.
  25. The country belongs to the oligarchs.
    They need: 1) Working hands; 2) The reserve of labor; 3) Consumers of products and services; 4) Taxpayers.
    1) and 2) it is easily solved by migrant workers in case of need. 3) Consumers and 4) Taxpayers from among the population, pensioners, state employees and the same guest workers. Well, how much will turn out, so much will turn out ....
    1% of the rich and in power, 9% of the rich and in power: the electorate is always choosing the existing regime, and if there are not enough votes, they will buy or attribute, alas.
    Money is issued by the state. Domestically, it can regulate the turnover as it wants ... but it does not want and cannot. it’s easier to peel a simple population.
    By the way, where the market regulates, prices compared to Soviet ones have increased on average by 100 times, and where the state is thousands (utilities, travel, gas, excise taxes, taxation)