Israel has put SkyStriker mistressing ammunition to Azerbaijan

The armed forces of Azerbaijan received loitering ammunition (disposable Drones) SkyStriker manufactured by the Israeli company Elbit Systems, according to the bmpd blog.

antiquating ammunition Elbit Systems SkyStriker

Loitering ammunition acquired in the interests of the Azerbaijani army is a relatively small drones, equipped with an electric motor with a pusher screw, controlled by the operator. The weight of the UAV is 35 kg, while from 5 to 10 kg falls on the integrated modular warhead. The maximum flight duration does not exceed two hours, in the absence of targets, landing is made by parachute. The drone can attack the target from different angles.

This is not the first acquisition of barracking ammunition by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. Earlier, the army had already received disposable UAVs from other Israeli manufacturers - Harop drones from Israel Aerospace Industries and Orbiter 1K Aeronautics Defense Systems (ADS) vehicles. At the same time, an assembly of Orbiter 1K drones called Zərbə-K was organized at Azerbaijani enterprises.

Orbiter 1K ammunition has a take-off weight of about 11 kg, weight of warhead 2,5 kg and flight duration up to 3,5 hours. Harop devices have a take-off weight of 135 kg, weight of a warhead 23 kg, flight duration up to six hours.

IAI Harop Remedies

Earlier it was reported on the use of Harop munitions by Azerbaijani military during clashes with Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh in April 2016.

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[Alexander Romanov]

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia

Azerbaijan will not start b / d until the Russian Federation has such serious problems in another region that it cannot seriously intervene on the side of Armenia.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Azerbaijan will not start b / d until the Russian Federation has such serious problems in another region that it cannot seriously intervene on the side of Armenia.

Understood nothing

[Krasnodar]

Azerbaijan is waiting for a situation when Russia will not have time to intervene in the Karabakh conflict. So I understood Aron.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Krasnodar

Azerbaijan is waiting for a situation when Russia will not have time to intervene in the Karabakh conflict.

He is waiting for the beginning of the 3 world or something

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He is waiting for the beginning of the 3 world or something

Well, they have enough and a serious kneading of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, they have enough and a serious kneading of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.

Serious batch? But we are not going to attack Ukraine

[Cheslav Tsursky]

[quote = Aron Zaavi] Azerbaijan will not start b / d until Russia has such serious problems in another region that it cannot seriously intervene on the side of Armenia. [/ quote]
[quote = Alexander Romanov] I did not understand anything [/ quote]
[quote = Krasnodar] Azerbaijan is waiting for a situation when Russia is not up to interference in the Karabakh conflict. So I understood Aron. [/ Quote]
[quote = Alexander Romanov] He is waiting for the start of the 3rd world or something wassat [/ quote]
[quote = Aron Zaavi] Well, a serious mix of the Russian Federation with Ukraine is enough for them. [/ quote]
[quote = Alexander Romanov] Serious batch? But we are not going to attack Ukraine
From the series - Teacher: Cadet Sokolov! A beautiful woman can destroy a scout! What should a scout do?
Cadet Sokolov: The scout himself must destroy a beautiful woman!
Teacher: Not right! A scout must ignore a beautiful woman!
But what does Comrade Pashinyan and his American friends say to all of this?

[APASUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, they have enough and a serious kneading of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.

Are you serious, Poroshenko listened, about the most powerful army in Europe?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, they have enough and a serious kneading of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.

Are you waiting?

[Krasnodar]

No, of course)). A serious aggravation with Ukraine, for example. Things of this order.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Krasnodar

A serious aggravation with Ukraine, for example. Things of this order.

And what is a serious aggravation?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Krasnodar

A serious aggravation with Ukraine, for example. Things of this order.

And what is a serious aggravation?

Situations when direct intervention of the RF Armed Forces in current events may be required. For example, the attack of Crimea, damage to facilities located in Russia on the border with the DPR, etc.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Krasnodar

No, of course)). A serious aggravation with Ukraine, for example. Things of this order.

But Aron Zawi says something else.

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He is waiting for the beginning of the 3 world or something

Good day Teska. It’s not a matter of a world war, as long as Russia has views of Armenia - we cannot begin hostilities. The Kremlin will not (example - 2016). But when Pashinyan makes a feint with his ears - and Moscow will not mind punishing the obstinate vassal - then we will begin.

[ultra]

And now she is “before the intervention?” This is the “intervention” of the bike of Azerbaijani “patriots”.

[Seal]

Azerbaijan is waiting until Armenia can get everyone in the CSTO by its actions.
Considering that all the CSTO member states (with the exception of Armenia itself) recognize Azerbaijan within the "internationally recognized borders".
Or maybe Aliyev will make it easier. He will simply take and sign the extension of Azerbaijan’s membership in the CSTO. True, you have to pay fees already since 1999. But since these contributions are generally easily paid by generally poor countries such as Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, this is not a problem for relatively wealthy Azerbaijan.

[Oquzyurd]

And we are silent about 4 UN Security Council resolutions? Everyone recognizes the borders of Azerbaijan. Do not fool people.

[SGarnik]

.

And we are silent about 4 UN Security Council resolutions? Everyone recognizes the borders of Azerbaijan. Do not fool people.

But did these resolutions not concern Baku? If your side had listened, then large losses of land and people could have been avoided.
Read Kazimirov.

[Oquzyurd]

I also have authority and why he was forced to talk about recognized borders is a mystery. Everything in these resolutions is written in black and white about who should withdraw their troops and who owns these areas. Let me remind you that we are talking about borders and the recognition of these same borders, and not about "losing" land.

[wmn5500]

Oppa ... Nuka nuka, but from here in more detail. Enlighten us dark is it when such a document was adopted?

[Alex1117]

It is strange that you do not know about the UN Security Council resolutions adopted unanimously. Judging by your ava, you declare that you are from North Korea? But in my opinion, even the DPRK already has the Internet. Just go to the UN Security Council website and do not disgrace.

[wmn5500]

You did not understand me correctly; I asked SGarnik - what about the fact that he wrote that the European Union does not recognize the borders of Azerbaijan. Naturally, I know well about the resolutions of the Security Council.

[SGarnik]

Oppa ... Nuka nuka, but from here in more detail. Enlighten us dark is it when such a document was adopted?

https://haqqin.az/news/103877 приятного чтения.

[wmn5500]

You are misleading again. I clearly asked if there is such a document (resolution) that states that the European Union does not recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and its borders? And you give me a link to the Azerbaijani website where an analytical article is presented on the various actions of representatives of the European Union and their duplicity, which speaks of different ways of a peaceful resolution of the conflict (which by the way is a policy of double standards), but nowhere is there any talk of non-recognition of the sovereignty and borders of the Republic of Azerbaijan .
No need to wishful thinking.

[WOLF330]

Himself not sick of lies?

[Seal]

Quote: SGarnik

The European Union does not recognize the so-called Azerbaijan within the "internationally recognized borders"

You apparently either do not understand what you are convinced of, or deliberately mislead others. I am explaining to you that the "European Union" is not a state. The European Union is an economic and political union of 28 European states. Each of which recognizes Azerbaijan within internationally recognized borders.
Some European organizations that are not states, such as PACE or the European Parliament, may not recognize. Well, yes, God bless them.

[dirk182]

it means soon, here they are buying up

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dirk182

means soon

Another years through 25?

[Yujanin]

Another years through 25?

The last time was recently and I think not the last time.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yujanin

The last time was recently and I think not the last time.

But the point is, Putin called Aliyev and it was all over

[Yujanin]

Putin called Aliyev and it was all over

I suspect that this time after the call everything starts.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yujanin

I suspect that this time after the call everything will begin

Honestly, I deeply spit, the kmu belongs to Karabakh. Want take

[Ros 56]

What nonsense, Russia is not going to interfere with your long-standing squabbles. This is the work of diplomats. But on occasion, if they bring it, it can crack anyone on the forehead to ringing in the ears.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ros 56

What nonsense, Russia is not going to interfere with your long-standing squabbles. This is the work of diplomats. But on occasion, if they bring it, it can crack anyone on the forehead to ringing in the ears.

The Russian Federation does not recognize NGOs as part of the territory of Armenia and will harness according to the concluded agreement with Armenia if they attack at the territory of Armenia recognized at least the Russian Federation, other thing, that the conflict will concern Armenia within its recognized borders ....

[Yujanin]

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia

Did Pashinyan say so?

[ultra]

This is a fact that you can’t refute.

[Spiritual]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia

Well Romanov, well, the language is sharp .. Israel keeps on pushing Aliyev all in a row .. And Karabakh, as it was Armenia, remained.
The whole problem is that there the Russian division is stationed and controls the region and it doesn’t care about all these movements .. Although you can get the ICBMs into Azerbaijan, the tomatoes will not increase in price anyway ..))))

[Yujanin]

Israel all nukhivaet Aliyev all in a row

Learn to make modern weapons, and we will buy you. Modernized Soviet technology has long been no longer relevant.

Garabagh as it was Armenia remained.

The second still has the courage to recognize the independence of the first.

The whole problem is that there the Russian division is stationed and controls the region, and all these movements

There they have their own nonsense recently appeared. No matter how you jinx this division.

Although ICBMs enter Azerbaijan, tomatoes will not increase in price anyway ..

You should not take everything so close to heart. Nerve cells do not recover

[Tank hard]

Quote: Yujanin

Learn to make modern weapons, and we will buy you. Modernized Soviet technology has long been no longer relevant

Shurik, do you really think that Russia cannot make modern weapons ?!

[Yujanin]

Shurik, do you really think that Russia cannot make modern weapons ?!

What new (not modernized Soviet) types of weapons are in service with Russia?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Yujanin

What new (not modernized Soviet) types of weapons are in service with Russia?

Well, I will answer you, in the same manner as you to me. And why didn’t you please the modernized types of weapons of Russia? And here is the answer: Or maybe they just didn’t sell what you wanted, and everything Russian immediately became backward? AND?

[Yujanin]

And why didn’t you please the modernized types of weapons of Russia?

And who said that the modernized types of weapons of Russia did not please us? I simply noted above that today the military leadership of Azerbaijan gives preference to completely new types of weapons and we won’t buy upgraded weapons from our side. This is Aliyev’s new arms procurement strategy.

Or maybe you just didn’t sell what you wanted

For God's sake. Do not sell you, others will sell. Money doesn't smell.

and everything Russian instantly became backward?

No need to engage in self-withdrawal. I didn’t write that.

[Karenas]

Quote: Yujanin

For God's sake. Do not sell you, others will sell. Money doesn't smell.

Shurik, apparently, we forget the details ... After all, genisis gave examples ... what you used in April 16th - nobody sold you but the Russian Federation ... judoKreml always for you ... since 1917 ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Spiritual

The whole problem is that there is a Russian division

The remains of the 127th MSD, which was cropped under the USSR ...

127th Motor Rifle Division, Leninakan
107th Motor Rifle Regiment, Leninakan (10 T-72, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 1 BTR-50PU, 12 D-30, 15 MT-LBT)
124th Motorized Rifle Regiment, Leninakan (10 T-72, 81 BTR-70, 6 BTR-60, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 1 BTR-50PU, 12 D-30, 15 MT-LBT)
128th Motorized Rifle Regiment, Leninakan (10 T-72, 41 BMP-2, 64 BMP-1, 5 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 12 2S1 Gvozdika
1360th Motorized Rifle Regiment Leninakan (12 D-30)
120th Tank Regiment, Leninakan (31 BTR-70, 5 BMP-2, 5 BMP-1, 4 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70
992nd Artillery Regiment, Leninakan (36 D-30, 12 BM-21 Grad)
988th anti-aircraft artillery regiment
357th Separate Missile Division
772nd Separate Reconnaissance Battalion, Leninakan
628th Separate Communications Battalion, Leninakan
550th Separate Engineering Battalion, Leninakan
626th Separate Chemical Defense Battalion
174rd separate repair and restoration battalion
1552th Separate Logistics Battalion
Total: 61 tanks, 130 infantry fighting vehicles, 91 armored personnel carriers, 12 self-propelled guns, 72 guns, 12 MLRS

"VIKI. Transcaucasian VO".
They didn’t allow to plunder, the rest of the former 7th OA went to Armenia.
At the moment, it represents, not even strengthened, MSBr.

The base was the 127th motorized rifle division of the Transcaucasian Military District. The base carried combat duty within the framework of the CIS Integrated Air Defense System and until 2007 was subordinated to the command of the Group of Russian Forces in Transcaucasia of the Southern Military District, and after 2007 to the command of the Southern Military District.
The base is equipped with S-300V anti-aircraft missile systems (988th anti-aircraft missile regiment), MiG-29 fighters, Mi-24P and Mi-8MT helicopters (included in the 3624th air base, Erebuni airfield near Yerevan). The base personnel is about 4 thousand people.
The agreement on the functioning of the base was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended for another 49 years (until 2044) during the visit of Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010. As Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov explained, the questions that the Russian military will be responsible for concern the territory of Armenia, that is, in the event of any external threat to Armenia, this will be considered as an external threat to Russia. The 102nd base is deployed in the Republic of Armenia without monetary compensation and is deployed in two garrisons - in Gyumri (126 km north of Yerevan) and Yerevan

"VIKI. 102nd Russian military base".
What can we control there in complete isolation from the Russian Federation and under the current president of Armenia?

[SGarnik]

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia laughing

Without a doubt, but there is one circumstance, the Azerbaijanis are hoping for the help of Turkey and that gadyushnik who are terrorizing Syria, in which case it will be difficult for Armenia. As in the early 90s, relied on Chechens and Afghans.

[wmn5500]

Listen to SGarnik You are again trying to cram something to inflame anti-Azerbaijani sentiment among the Russians. Do you think no one will notice the subtext in your mention of the "gadyushnik who terrorizes Syria" and Turkey here, and in the end, naturally, the Chechens and Afghans. Thus, you portray Azerbaijanis as an enemy and thus incite ethnic hatred. Those. directly violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[yustas]

But what prevents you all, so strong and independent, from living together? In just take and not fight? Can you become stronger together? Or does it bother you all as a dancer?

[armenk]

Garnik is right .. And you would be better off not clever on a topic you don't know about. It’s better to read .. There were Turks, and Afghans, and Pakistanis and Chechens along with Basayev. There began the international international Islamic terrorism for immigrants from the union. There, Basayev and his accomplices gained experience, and there they developed contacts ..

[Simfy]

the question is, why do not we have such UAVs? (

[Zoldat_A]

The first photo recalled, God forbid, when many people die - for example, in an accident or terrorist attack - they also put pedestals on the pedestals for farewell in one place. Did they arrange a mourning ceremony in advance? There and the coffins behind the pedestals.

Well, you can’t do with plastic (or what are they made of?) How to say goodbye to people ....

[Same lech]

The Hussites recently made a present to their opponents ... having arranged a raid with a drone with explosives at the parade ... it turned out spectacularly.

[Yujanin]

There and the coffins behind the pedestals.

These are wardrobe trunks with Israeli Nimrod missiles. Effective firing range: up to 80 km.

[Magic archer]

Good ammunition. It would be useful to us. In the same Syria. The Jews demonstrated the advantage of this weapon in the Gaza Strip. It is worth detecting the militants as soon as an unexpected person flies from the sky!

[XXXIII]

Quote: Magic Archer

Good ammunition. It would be useful to us. In the same Syria. The Jews demonstrated the advantage of this weapon in the Gaza Strip. It is worth detecting the militants as soon as an unexpected person flies from the sky!

Gaza, as Israel fights and shells, so does it, although Israel circumvents them technologically, they send cylinders to them regularly .....

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Azerbaijan will soon buy up all types of weapons, but Karabakh will continue to be in the hands of Armenia

Azerbaijan will not start b / d until the Russian Federation has such serious problems in another region that it cannot seriously intervene on the side of Armenia.

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

[dirk182]

they are not only here) they are trying very hard in Ukraine. After all, the natsbats are their offspring, no matter how strange it may sound. And comrades from Sairet Matkal in 91 fired at our "Vympelovtsy" in civilian clothes. So they are not "friends" to us. Wolves in sheep's clothing. I hope that the story will put everything in its place. And justice will prevail.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: dirk182

And comrades from Sayret Matkal in 91 fired at our "Vympelovtsy" in civilian clothes.

This is when the aircraft carrier Ben Gurion came to Yauzu? It was so.

[dirk182]

oh, sorry) 91 years stuck in my head. Of course in 93 .... 4th brigade of the Jericho special forces. And these uncles are now singing "songs" for us. For downed Il, for their attacks on Syria. They are the source of the world's evil.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: dirk182

oh, sorry) 91 years stuck in my head. Of course in 93 .... 4th brigade of the Jericho special forces. And these uncles are now singing "songs" for us. For downed Il, for their attacks on Syria. They are the source of the world's evil.

Such a unit as the Special Forces Brigade Jericho does not exist in nature)). Also the fourth ...
There are ballistic missiles Jericho 1,2 and 3, but they probably also do not have the brigade principle of units. Maybe you mean the attack of the White House by the forces of the first army of the Israeli cavalry under the cover of Tsili - the machine gunner in 1993? )))

[Yujanin]

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

The key word "helps with weapons" ... and both sides.

[Vlad5307]

Well, it seems like nothing personal - business! Only the consequences of such a business for people ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Vlad5307

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

You will not recall how many Russia sold arms to Azerbaijan over the past couple of years?

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Vlad5307

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

You will not recall how many Russia sold arms to Azerbaijan over the past couple of years?

What do you take everything directly into your own account? Or do you have a hat on the thief? You sold a lot of weapons, a lot, but we also sell a lot to Armenia, and we are strengthening the base there. Karabakh will calm down when Russia decides what to do with it and not Azerbaijan and Armenia. In the meantime, they will be tearing each other's back seats. But you are not selling such weapons to Syria, Iran, Egypt, this is your policy.

[igor67]

Quote: Vlad5307

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

Seriously? And Voentorg in the Donbass? and what is the supply of Armenia called?

[XXXIII]

Quote: igor67

Seriously? And Voentorg in the Donbass? and what is the supply of Armenia called?

This is called promotion ....

[Spiritual]

Quote: Vlad5307

Arsonists are right there - with weapons and advice.

Also noticed .. They like vultures fly here on the site and begin to prove that, etc. I’m already used to them))) They have some kind of internal signal ..
"Unkillable and organized" is between the lines ..

[XXXIII]

Quote: Spiritual

They have some kind of internal signal ..

If they do not assemble at the right time they will never be assembled again, the last time it took 2000 years to assemble them ....

[tkachenko]

Israel is not our boltology - like there are no analogues

[XXXIII]

Quote: tkachenko

Israel is not our boltology - like there are no analogues

Yeah and their backs are flat and they go straight ..... ... local TV take a look at them ....

[XXXIII]

Israel has put SkyStriker mistressing ammunition to Azerbaijan

A couple of ammunition are definitely defective .....

[igor67]

Quote: XXXIII

A couple of ammunition are definitely defective .....

why? Arabs work on Elbit

[XXXIII]

Quote: igor67

Quote: XXXIII

A couple of ammunition are definitely defective .....

why? Arabs work on Elbit

Arabs are not Arabs, it does not matter, if the iron dome does not always work at 100, then there are obviously "rejects" there, because the whole batch cannot be checked right away ...

[Yujanin]

A couple of ammunition are definitely defective ....

because the whole batch cannot be checked right away ....

On Armenian tanks in caponiers checked. Works.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Yujanin

On Armenian tanks in caponiers checked. Works.

It’s not clear anything on the video, it’s a tank, then it burns, whose tank is also not clear, is it knocking out its own?
By the way, some of these things work because until the Jews have eaten your money, they will buy new ones .....

[Yujanin]

It’s not clear anything on the video, it’s a tank, then it burns, whose tank is also not clear, is it knocking out its own?

Everything is clear to everyone, including the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, which officially recognized 16 (in 4 days) destroyed Armenian tanks. So, you don’t have to pretend to be a hose. Not serious!

[XXXIII]

Quote: Yujanin

Everything is clear to everyone, including the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, which officially recognized the 16 destroyed Armenian tanks.

Is there a link to the official source of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia?

[Yujanin]

Is there a link to the official source of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia?

https://ria.ru/20160406/1403426730.html

[armenk]

An official source of interest from the Ministry of Defense of Armenia .. Only you wrote about 16, and your source writes about 14 Armenians and 25 Azerbaijan.

[Yujanin]

Only you wrote about 16, and your source writes about 14 Armenian and 25 Azerbaijani.

Firstly, it is an Armenian source. And secondly, if the MoD of Armenia recognized about 14 wrecked Armenian tanks, then according to the unwritten laws of the war this figure needs to be multiplied by two. But at the expense of the voiced by the Armenians about the damaged Azerbaijani tanks, this is not a proven fact. The network does not have more than one photo of wrecked Azerbaijani equipment, but one that blew up a mine and rolled into a ravine.

[armenk]

You were asked for a link to the official resource of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia. You sent bullshit again. Since when did ria.ru become the official source of the Armenian Defense Ministry?
Your loss calculation methods don't interest me. What matters is what really happened. I want to believe in your version - on health.

[Yujanin]

You were asked for a link to the official resource of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia. You sent bullshit again. Since when did ria.ru become the official source of the Armenian Defense Ministry?

You are not able to see that ria.ru refers to the official source of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia ???

[armenk]

There are two links to the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan .. and not a word about the Ministry of Defense of Armenia .. Do you yourself read what are you referring to? Or is it not the main thing - the main thing is to blurt out something?

[Yujanin]

armenk, good to slow down!

Of the 14 Armenian tanks knocked out by Azerbaijanis during the aggression in early April in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, six have already been repaired and are ready for further operation, according to the TV show "Goyamart" ("Struggle for Existence") on "Ar.akh TV".
http://newsarmenia.am/news/nagorno_karabakh/iz-sbitykh-azerbaydzhantsami-v-nachale-aprelya-14-armyanskikh-tankov-shest-vernulis-v-stroy-video/

[Gerassim]

Quote: XXXIII

Nothing is clear on the video

Look at the upper left corner - the forelock sticks out joft-blackboard ....

[XXXIII]

Quote: Gerassim

Look at the upper left corner - the forelock sticks out joft-blackboard ....

Yeah, I saw ....

[Oquzyurd]

When he says nothing and has nothing to argue with, then the last trick of the envious remains - "as if defective"

[XXXIII]

Quote: Oquzyurd

When he says nothing and has nothing to argue with, then the last trick of the envious remains - "as if defective"

Come on, you want to say that in the production of weapons of marriage there is no marriage?

[Oquzyurd]

What Azerbaijan collects is definitely without marriage

[XXXIII]

Quote: Oquzyurd

What Azerbaijan collects is definitely without marriage

Check or do it yourself?

[Oquzyurd]

2016 has already been tested, it works flawlessly.

[Shepherd]

Their enmity with Armenia is registered in the Military Doctrine. This is for a long time.
But the doctrine also spells out the fight against terrorism and the illegal traffic in weapons.
In mountainous areas such cars will not hurt.

[Kaw]

This is not the first acquisition of barracking ammunition by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. Earlier, the army had already received disposable UAVs from other Israeli manufacturers - Harop drones from Israel Aerospace Industries and Orbiter 1K Aeronautics Defense Systems (ADS) vehicles. At the same time, an assembly of Orbiter 1K drones called Zərbə-K was organized at Azerbaijani enterprises.

It is necessary for the Azeris to redeem all this quietly. Where else would you have the opportunity to get acquainted with the entire Israeli defense industry.

[Oquzyurd]

Express yourself normally, Azerbaijanis must say. Recognize that you don’t have your brains to copy from Israel? Then put it on display, like there are no analogues in the world?

[Kaw]

Well, Israel recently bought Soviet Kolchuga in Ukraine. Apparently "they have no brains."
No one in this world invents a bicycle if a neighbor has already invented it.

[Kaw]

And then, you just need to find out the capabilities of these systems, in order to take this into account.

[Oquzyurd]

They bought it because of chain mail, not technology

[Karenas]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Express yourself normally, Azerbaijanis must say.

Actually, the "Azeri" ethnos refers to the Persian-speaking direction ... The fact that you grabbed this designation is not accepted by anyone who is in the subject ... For example, Ayatollah Khomeini said about your relatives in Iran like this: "... they are Turks. " ... I read about it in the "Literary Gazette" of the 80s ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Kaw

It is necessary for the Azeris to redeem all this quietly. Where else would you have the opportunity to get acquainted with the entire Israeli defense industry.

It’s direct from the Jews and order, here is another deal ....

[Alexey-74]

Azerbaijan is so serious against Armenia on the Karabakh issue that it wants to use drones ??? Well, I think while Russia is in control of this situation, the world still has to be there ....

[Oquzyurd]

Azerbaijan is seriously opposed to the occupier of our lands. Armenia is not of interest to us if it keeps within its borders. But they are in fact located on our lands by troops. Tell me, who would not be serious in this case so that the occupier would be kicked out peacefully or militarily?

[Alex1117]

Weak argument. The Visigoths - they generally led the Reconquista for 800 years. During which the Visigoths began to call themselves Spaniards. By the way, about the Visigoths, before they appeared in those places, also none of the then local tribes had heard. So what ? Is anyone today doubting that Spain belongs to the Spaniards?
By the way, does anyone doubt that Hungary belongs to the Hungarians. About the existence of which before their appearance in Europe no one even suspected.

[armenk]

This was the answer about "our lands". As for the rest, you are right, and that is why, they have a donut hole and not a Karabakh - there is nowhere for the Armenians to buy.

[Alex1117]

What is "buy"? Is that something about soup?
And if it meant "retreat" - then it turns out:
- you declare that the NPO is your land and, accordingly, thereby refute this comment of yours, since you are talking about "your lands".
- why nowhere? Since the Ottomans took Constantinople and until the semi-Armenian Abdul-Hamid II ascended the Ottoman throne, in any danger, the Armenians fled under the wing of the Sultan to Constantinople.
- You know the saying that the motherland for the Armenians is the whole world. And Armenia itself is just an office. If Armenia is an office, then what do you think NGOs are?

[wmn5500]

Unfortunately, there is no peace in Karabakh, and Russia thus controlling the situation supports the occupation of part of the territory of Azerbaijan by Armenia.

[Alex1117]

Unfortunately, this situation is largely the result of the unpredictable and not very smart policies of Azerbaijan itself. Here, initially, Azerbaijan was in the CSTO. Why did you quit the CSTO? Yes, in Russia, in those years, and even then, we often had a pro-Armenian position. But you were offended by her childishly and left the CSTO. And before that, the price of renting land under our base in Gabala was lifted to unimaginable heights. As a result, we left Gabala. You did not think that our pro-Armenian position was not the position of Russia, but the position of a number of Russian officials (for example, the same Kazimirov) who pretended that their personal pro-Armenian position was the position of all of Russia. Moreover, with your ill-considered actions, you just made their personal position - the position of the whole of Russia.
In fact, in response to our pro-Armenian position, you had to not lower the rent for Gabala, but lower it. And it’s better to refuse any rent at all. How your neighbors do our base in Gyumri.
You had to make the most of the possibilities of the CSTO, constantly raising and raising the same question: "On the occupation of a part of the territory of another CSTO member by one CSTO member." Water wears away the stone.
If you became aware of the supply of our weapons to Armenia, and even more so about gratuitous supplies to Armenia, as an "ally", you immediately had to demand the convening of an extraordinary meeting of the CSTO, at which to protest against such supplies on the grounds that Azerbaijan exactly the same member of the CSTO, like Armenia. And he, like Armenia, is an ally of both Russia and Belarus and Kazakhstan, and Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and then there were still Uzbekistan and Georgia. As a last resort, you had to demand equal supplies for yourself, since you are for Russia exactly the same ally as Armenia, moreover, an ally that has been subjected to aggression by Armenia.
Yes, at the meetings you would have to say hello to the members of the Armenian delegation. Nothing wrong. Molotov, during his visit to Berlin in 1940, greeted Hitler with the handle. And nothing. Well, in a pinch, they would rub their hands with alcohol solution after shaking hands.
It was necessary to methodically and patiently, smiling at everyone, conduct their policy. After all, at that time you had such "middleweights" as Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan on your side. And in the future everything would be as it is now.
You should have understood better then that only such a "Chinese policy of smiles" would bring the desired result. And then your neighbors would be offended. Moreover, they would have bothered the entire CSTO 10 years ago as they are today. Indeed, today the two leading members of the CSTO, following us in terms of their military-political weight in the CSTO, (Belarus and Kazakhstan) are already openly laughing at Armenia. The same is done by Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, only not so frankly. And if Uzbekistan returns to the CSTO with you, which, let's say, is not very friendly with Armenia, then Armenia will have nothing to catch in the CSTO.

[Zaurbek]

Are they bigger than our eagles? It seems to me that Orlan can be used this way if desired.

[Zaurbek]

The number of Armenians is declining, and the number of Azerbaijanis is increasing ... this is a fact. It is a matter of time before Karabakh returns.

[Brturin]

Israel delivered to Azerbaijan ...

2016 - Russia to Armenia Iskander (https://topwar.ru/100855-armeniya-poluchila-ot-rossii-iskander-azerbaydzhan-mozhet-zabyt-pro-karabah.html) Israel supplied the Iron Dome for $ 4 billion Azerbaijan (https://topwar.ru/105792-azerbaydzhan-dogovorilsya-s-izrailem-o-pokupke-zheleznogo-kupola.html).
2018 Azerbaijan bought arms worth five billion dollars from Russia. Israel delivered .... Now Belarusians are drawn into this race - last year 10 Polonezov Azerbaijan (https://topwar.ru/142912-azerbaydzhan-zakupil-belorusskie-rszo-polonez.html).

[Seal]

Quote: Spiritual

The whole problem is that there the Russian division is stationed and controls the region, and all these movements

Our division is not there. There are our border guards and our base in Armenia. But border guards control the airport and the border with Turkey. The base is also located on the border with Turkey. And Karabakh is on the opposite side of Armenia.
And further. Our Minister of Defense S.K.Shoygu has much better relations with Azerbaijan than our Minister of Foreign Affairs. It is not for nothing that all the meetings of representatives of our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with colleagues from the USA and NATO take place not in anywhere, but in Baku.

[Seal]

Quote: Alexey-74

Well, I think while Russia is in control of this situation, the world still has to be there ....

And what is the point for us to freeze this conflict for a long time?
The state of the Cold War, which periodically warmed up, has been between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis for almost 30 years. At the same time, several dozens (officially), or maybe several hundred (unofficially), died on each side each year. For all this time, the peace agreement did not work out. And it will not work. Neither the Armenians voluntarily will ever abandon Karabakh, nor the Azerbaijanis. This means that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, alas, are destined either to live forever in a state of "cold war" with the inevitable annual casualties, or to fight a hot fight once.
So maybe it’s better for them to fight one time now hotly - and calm down on this? After all, you must be aware that every year weapons become more powerful and destructive. And that every year Armenians and Azerbaijanis have more and more weapons. It was still not enough that Armenia and Azerbaijan, God forbid, also acquire nuclear weapons! Even if it’s just “dirty bombs” !! So, for me, it is better that they fight hotly now, until they have such weapons in their hands that they can catch their surrounding countries, or even half the world, with their fight.

[Seal]

Quote: Mar. Tira

We sell a lot of Armenia

We do not sell anything to Armenia. We supply for free. Ally type: (((

[SGarnik]

[quote] We are not selling anything to Armenia. We supply for free. Ally type: ((([/ quote
No need to take a lot. How do you know this? And even if Russia gave Armenia a weapon, it was to deter an ally of its geopolitical adversary. Of all Russia's CSTO allies, the most loyal .K Platoshkin on YouTube.

[Oquzyurd]

Platoshkin, yes, authority

[SGarnik]

Platoshkin, yes, authority lol

A diplomat after all. And next to him there is no one to plant close.

[wmn5500]

The most faithful is probably because there is nowhere to go. Like "where are you going from the submarine"

[SGarnik]

Quote: Cheslav Czursky

But what does Comrade Pashinyan and his American friends say to all of this?

You are not tired of blaming Pashinyan without evidence. In his interview, it is always emphasized that Russia is the closest ally and in no other way.
Putin simply does not have leverage over Pashinyan and he has to listen to his discontent on the CSTO and misunderstandings on other agreements. Not like with former corrupt officials.

[SGarnik]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Good day Teska. It’s not a matter of a world war, as long as Russia has views of Armenia - we cannot begin hostilities. The Kremlin will not (example - 2016). But when Pashinyan makes a feint with his ears - and Moscow will not mind punishing the obstinate vassal - then we will begin.

According to the entourage of the former President of Armenia Sargsyan, Moscow gave Baku a week to solve the problems of Ar.Tsakha, but a day later the Azerbaijani troops began to surrender the territories previously seized on the same day. You like the word vassal, so you are such in relation to Turkey. Moreover, you want to dissolve in the Anatolian Turks while changing your religion.

[Yeraz]

Quote: SGarnik

According to the entourage of the former President of Armenia Sargsyan,

probably siranush grandmother))))

Quote: SGarnik

You like the word vassal, so you are such in relation to Turkey

you don’t confuse yourself. the number one investment in Turkey and no military base and one people cannot be a vassal to yourself.

Quote: SGarnik

Moreover, you want to dissolve in the Anatolian Turks while changing your religion.

hm Anatolian Turks Muslims, Caucasian Muslims, too? This is what faith will be replaced ???

[Oquzyurd]

What balabol and gossips you are. Out of the blue, you’ll come up with all sorts of rubbish and want to evaporate it to people.

[Seal]

Quote: SGarnik

In his interview, it is always emphasized that Russia is the closest ally and in no other way.

The worst dream of the United States is Turkey's withdrawal from NATO and Turkey's alliance with Russia, to which Iran will join. The task of Armenia is to prevent such a development of events. And she (Armenia), on the instructions of the United States, is trying with all her might to appear as our best friend and ally. For Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey. And that means the Turks can rightly accuse us of a double game. The Turks always ask us: "How is that? Russia, on the one hand, offers Turkey friendship, and on the other hand, Russia in Armenia (which claims part of Turkish territory) maintains its base, yes still on the very border with Turkey "??
This is the real role of Armenia in big politics. Role - a huge knotty log lying on the road to improving relations between Russia and Turkey. Preventing the formation of a terrible alliance for the United States of Russia, Turkey and Iran.
However, Pashinyan brought nothing new to Armenian foreign policy. He only continues the line of Sargsyan and his predecessors. By the way, Sargsyan, by the way, is the first and so far the only foreign President to be awarded the US Medal of Honor "For the Development of Bilateral Relations between the US and a Foreign State (in relation to Sargsyan, the US with Armenia)" during his 2011 visit to the US.

[armenk]

This "gnarled log" lies on the way of the unification of the Turks and is a barrier and deterrent (buffer). If it were not for this "gnarled log", both Georgia and Azerbaijan would have long been in NATO. As history shows, the next flirtations between Russia and Turkey will not end well. The same story shows that there will be no long-term alliance between Iran and Turkey.

[Alex1117]

Everything is exactly the opposite. As history shows, as history shows .... History shows that since the emergence of both countries, England and France, these two countries were at war with each other almost constantly. But from the mid-19th century to the present day, despite minor differences, best friends. And everyone, including the Armenians, who will demand that, on the basis of the "historical tradition", these countries again enter the warpath with each other, and there and there will be imprisoned. Or put in a mental hospital.
The same must be done with those who are trying by all means to quarrel Russia and Turkey.

[armenk]

The past must be known not because it has passed, but because, leaving, it could not remove its consequences.

Strategically, Russia has its own path, Iran has its own, and Turkey has its own. I am sure that once again, the cooperation is tactical and situational.
Alex, wait and see how it will be.

[Alex1117]

Türks, Turks, again the old Armenian song about the Turks. But do not you find it strange that you are trying to scare the Turks, Russians, who together with the Turks built our Russia, beating it off the Poles during the Great Troubles? Have you forgotten that the Tatar regiments as part of our army fought in Livonia under Ivan the Terrible? And half of all our troops were commanded by the Tatar Khan? Have you forgotten that the Tatar, Bashkir and Kalmyk squadrons entered Paris in 1814? But not a single Armenian company was.
So why should I please the Tatars and the Yakuts, to please the Armenians? Yes, a third of Russia, if not more, is the Turks and the Mongoloids. And you apparently forgot what will happen if you scratch us?

[Brut]

Quote: Alex1117

Türks, Turks, again the old Armenian song about the Turks. And you don’t find it strange that you are trying to scare the Turks with us Russians, who together with the Turks built our Russia,

Poroshenko: Turkey will deliver Ukraine six shock drones.
https://topwar.ru/152419-poroshenko-turcija-postavit-ukraine-shest-udarnyh-bespilotnikov.html

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yujanin

Putin called Aliyev and it was all over

I suspect that this time after the call everything starts.

As it was in 2016. Or you yourself with a mustache

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yujanin

Everything is clear to everyone, including the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, which officially recognized 16 (in 4 days) destroyed Armenian tanks. So, you don’t have to pretend to be a hose. Not serious!

It’s just that your side has lost 35 troops and one helicopter, and the rest, more than 700 people, probably not martyrs, since their names are kept secret. Including about 200 mercenaries tucked up by the Turks found death on Armenian soil.

[Yujanin]

the rest, more than 700 people, probably not martyrs, since their names are kept secret. Including about 200 mercenaries tucked up by the Turks found death on Armenian soil.

Do you need to suck the numbers from your fingers?

[armenk]

Who would talk about "sucking up" - but 20% of the accupted territory, and a million refugees?

[Yujanin]

The 20% occupation of Azerbaijani lands cost you 100% loss of independence. They would not say anything in the tube!

[armenk]

Again "sucking"?

[Yeraz]

Quote: SGarnik

Including about 200 mercenaries tucked up by the Turks found death on Armenian soil.

200, and not 2000 ??? Just Armenian media tales about 2000Igilovites said. You already decided 200 or 2000.

[SGarnik]

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-01/1547237123_d0bfd0b8d181d18cd0bcd0be.jpg

[wmn5500]

The figures are probably Armenian intelligence got, straight filigree work. Well, that’s probably why the head of military intelligence was fired, worked too well huh? Or did you figure the numbers well?

[Alex1117]

Are you going to get pork skins from the Jews ??? Well, well :)))) You will prepare the terms of reference for the competition for the supply of pork skins for Jews - do not forget to indicate that the pork skins should be from a kosher pig :)))))))))

[armenk]

For those who did not understand, it was a joke.

[SGarnik]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan is seriously opposed to the occupier of our lands. Armenia is not of interest to us if it keeps within its borders. But they are in fact located on our lands by troops. Tell me, who would not be serious in this case so that the occupier would be kicked out peacefully or militarily?

You will ask Lezghins, Tats, Udins, Talyshs, and the Armenians themselves, on whose land you are stationed.

[Yujanin]

You will ask Lezghins, Tats, Udins, Talyshs, and the Armenians themselves, on whose land you are stationed.

[armenk]

Smart guy, show me at least one map where "Azerbaijan" was in 1828.

[Yujanin]

Show at least one map where "Azerbaijan" was in 1828.

Read more articles from your false historians to degrade further.
Turkmanchay peace treaty of 1828. Full text.
Vyacheslav Rumyantsev

[armenk]

It was not in vain that I asked for a card .. You send the text of the contract .. In the best traditions, once again juggle the facts. The Persian province of Aderbeidjan did exist and still exists today, but it has nothing to do with modern Azerbaijan.
Review the attached card carefully. For some reason, the Persian province of Aderbeidzhan ends on the Araks River.

[Yujanin]

The Persian province of Aderbeidjan did exist and still exists today, but it has nothing to do with modern Azerbaijan.

Is that what you decided? Do not disgrace your meager knowledge! You better read Griboedov, an Armenian with the Turkish root of the surname.

[armenk]

Shurik, I know that you have nothing more to answer .. Rummage through the manuals ..

[Karenas]

Quote: Yujanin

You better read Griboedov

Honoring an Armenianophobe (like a Germanophobe, but often colonists who resettled in the Republic of Ingushetia) is certainly worth it ... At least in order to know how short-sighted he was a diplomat back in 1818, when he told with complete ignorance of the question how to him Armenians sat down in Tiflis and said in their ear that soon the Armenian lands would pass into the possession of the Republic of Ingushetia ...

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Happy New Year!!!

[Alex1117]

Your naivety, with which you from the very appearance of the Internet in Russia, asked this question first touched your childish naivety, then annoyed (well, how much you can use sandbox-level argements), and for some time it has caused concern. Especially for people with a minimal medical education. I explain why.
- You can just as well ask to show Germany on the map of 1828 and on later maps, up to 1870. So what if there were no Germany on the maps. There was Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony, Hesse and so on, which at one point became Germany.
- You might as well request to show Georgia on the 1828 map. And she’s not there. There are Imereti, Kakheti, Svaneti and so on.
- you can just as well ask to show Armenia on the map of 1828. And you are not there either. Moreover, Armenia, as a state, does not appear on any of the ancient maps that have come down to our time in the original. The oldest of the maps that have survived to our time in the original is the Catalan Atlas, dating from 1375. You can look for Armenia there. Yes, a number of later maps in the east of Turkey have the inscription "Armenia". So what ? On the same maps from the Urals to the Pacific Ocean there is an inscription either "Siberia" or "Great Tataria". So what ? Neither the original maps nor the original documents of Byzantium from the time of Justinian have reached us. But historians tell us, referring to Procopius of Caesarea, that Justinian formed a lot of provinces - "Armenians". First Armenia, Second Armenia, Third Armenia, Lesser Armenia, Greater Armenia. That is, he simply took and divided the geographical concept of "Armenia" into its components. Well, how Siberia is divided into Western Siberia, Eastern Siberia. Meteorologists and others also have the concepts of "Central Siberia" and "South Siberia".
Or take Egypt. Who lives in it now? Egyptians live. Who are proud of their pharaohs. The only question is: do the present-day Egyptians have anything to do with "that very Egypt." Let's go further. The Bible mentions the Philistines and their country. But do today's Palestine and Palestinians have anything to do with the biblical Philistines. But exactly the same question can be raised with regard to the Armenians. Do today's Armenians have anything to do with the Armenia mentioned in the Bible? Not the fact that they have.
I wonder what you will do if your Azeri neighbors change the name of their country to "Armenia" and call themselves Armenians. And if the Turks do the same? Then here it is for you "Great Armenia" - join :))))))
Yes, you say, but are they Muslims? So what ? The Egyptians were once all Christians too. And then they became Muslims. And in Turkey, several million Muslims are Armenians who were once Christians.
So, you are more careful with your "historical claims". They can hit with a boomerang.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alex1117

Yes, you say, but are they Muslims? So what ? The Egyptians were once all Christians too. And then they became Muslims. And in Turkey, several million Muslims are Armenians who were once Christians.
So, you are more careful with your "historical claims". They can hit with a boomerang.

This is actually a lie, pure water. Egyptians not became Muslims. The Copts - the descendants of the Egyptians, as they were Christians, remain so. Conditionally Arabs who "came in large numbers" in Egypt were Muslims, not Egyptians. And now the Arab population of Egypt is called the Egyptians only by geography, and not by history, i.e. no Egyptians, being Christians, renounced their faith.

[Oquzyurd]

The arsonist of international relations, all of whose ethnic groups you have listed, they are citizens of the Republic of Azerbaijan and they are a friendly family of brothers who uphold the integrity and independence of our common country, unlike you, the separatists who did everything to harm us all.

[SGarnik]

Quote: wmn5500

Listen to SGarnik You are again trying to cram something to inflame anti-Azerbaijani sentiment among the Russians. Do you think no one will notice the subtext in your mention of the "gadyushnik who terrorizes Syria" and Turkey here, and in the end, naturally, the Chechens and Afghans. Thus, you portray Azerbaijanis as an enemy and thus incite ethnic hatred. Those. directly violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Are you laughing? I only visit the site when your fellow countrymen are trying to hang noodles on the ears of respectable citizens.
I think if you are with Russians, then you would consider the so-called SSA in Idlib reptiles.
Tell me what I told a lie about Chechens and Afghans?
Azerbaijanis made their choice - Turkey. And who are the Turks for Russia?
There are no bad nations, I have no hatred for Azerbaijanis. There were friends, no worse than others.

[wmn5500]

And where are the noodles?
And we do not interfere in affairs in Syria, therefore, the mention of the Syrian conflict in the context of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation is inappropriate. By inserting Syria, you seem to subconsciously put on the same side with the Azerbaijanis, igil, al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, which is a lie!
As for the Afghans and Chechens, I will not deny, yes they were, yes they fought, in the amount of a hundred or two. Likewise, I hope you will not deny the participation of mercenaries from all over the world on the side of the Armenians, and especially the Russian "volunteers" as well as the Kurds of the PKK representatives.

[SGarnik]

[Quote
And where are the noodles?
And we do not interfere in affairs in Syria, therefore, the mention of the Syrian conflict in the context of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation is inappropriate. By inserting Syria, you seem to subconsciously put on the same side with the Azerbaijanis, igil, al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, which is a lie!
As for the Afghans and Chechens, I will not deny, yes they were, yes they fought, in the amount of a hundred or two. Likewise, I hope you will not deny the participation of mercenaries from all over the world on the side of the Armenians, and in particular the Russian "volunteers" as well as Kurdish representatives of the PKK.] [/ Quote]
Turkey intervenes in the affairs of Syria even where the Turks are there and your citizens. But not on the side of Assad, Russia's ally. In the organizations that you have listed, your citizens are also seen in sufficient numbers.
There were 300 Chechens, 2000 Afghans.
There were no less Russian volunteers on your part. About the Kurds, it’s ridiculous, the Armenians maintain some kind of relationship with them, and that’s only because of the common enemy. The Yezidis were local. Recently published a photo of a Kazakh fought on the side of the Armenians, which pleasantly surprised .. There was a case of Berdzor (Lachin) where local Kurds supported the Armenians. But mostly volunteers of Armenian origin from the diaspora.

[wmn5500]

What Turkey does (by the way, defends its national interests) does not concern us. In the organizations that I have listed and abound citizens of the Russian Federation, this means that it is necessary to put the Russian Federation and terror. organizations in one row?
As for the mercenaries: with the numbers you are not all right, where do you get them from? Again Armenian intelligence postscript? No 2000 Afghans were there all the more so at a time.
About Kurds: you know this is not funny. Because of a common enemy, Armenia cooperates with the PKK terrorist organization to the extent of organizing training camps for militants, which by the way means that Armenia is a state supporting terrorism! Well, actually, the Armenians of the Diaspora are citizens of other states who were dragging mercenaries and other nationalities with you, you wrote about the Kazakh, and the Russians who fought on our side were mostly local citizens or officers of the high command stationed in Azerbaijan throughout the USSR.
PS Yes, I almost forgot. Regarding the participation of the Russian army on the side of Armenia, Nevzorov spoke. If you do not agree all the claims against him.

[Karenas]

Quote: wmn5500

PS Yes, I almost forgot. Regarding the participation of the Russian army on the side of Armenia, Nevzorov spoke. If you do not agree all the claims against him.

Well, during our next war, we will need to force this Nevzorov scum here and lock it up in the same cell with the captured Turks ... Then he will remember his words in a drunken stupor: "Well, how are Armenian extremists living in an Azerbaijani prison?"
The Turks will not want to undress him for their joys; otherwise it will be possible to teach a lesson ...

[wmn5500]

Well, what's your comment? It’s kind of violet to me how you want to take revenge on those who say not what the Armenians like.
And as for the prisoners, I’ll tell you: I hope there will be no Armenian prisoners, why yes, because the Azerbaijani army will not take prisoners. Why do we need such prisoners, guard them, feed them, why, it’s best to consume them.

[Karenas]

Yes, there are many problems with the protection of prisoners ... I remember that your prisoners, tired, decided to commit suicide ... The Red Cross then recorded ...
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When in the next war I’ll come across your prisoners, I won’t stick around with them, motivating your lines on this issue ... I will single out Talysh and Udin, well, Lezgin ... despite Lek’s lines ...

[wmn5500]

Well, that's great, motivated by your lines there will be no motivation for someone to surrender. And it’s better for the Armenians not to give up, let them immediately run to Yerevan, we won’t go to the territory of Armenia (CSTO all the same).

And finally, about the Talysh Udins and Lezghins: I understand that the only chance for Armenians to keep Karabakh is to split the Azerbaijani society into nat. featured. This is the dream of the Armenians, so to speak, and you, as a true Armenian, like many of your other tribesmen in the subject or not, are leading your propaganda. However, you do it so ineptly that it is rotten at a distance!

[Karenas]

Your rot was reflected a long time ago, when it is described about the forcible assimilation of Muslim peoples ... well, when, for example, you imprisoned a translator into the Talysh language of the book "Robinson Crusoe" ... Talish people tell a lot of this.
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As for the soldiers to flee ... When in 2024 the Russian Federation arranges rocket fire on the Turkish military infrastructure, then not only will your soldiers flee to their historical homeland in Central Asia and Kazakhstan, but, as you might guess, the rest ...

[wmn5500]

Well, I’m saying that you always need to conduct dirty propaganda, the truth is not true, it does not matter. I don’t know who they planted there and why, I know that there are distortions in government during the war. For example, you just invented various punishments for Nevzorov, for the fact that he said not pleasant things about the Armenians.
And in the second part of your comment: And you are a soothsayer. Why exactly 2024 and not at 23 or 25? Where such confidence?
And once again I am convinced that I am right, it’s you who are the Armenians who are stirring up ethnic hatred, it’s you who really need the war between Russia and Turkey so that Russian soldiers fight for you otherwise you won’t survive. You yourself have just indirectly revealed your dreams!

[Karenas]

These are predictions from famous seers (about 2024) ... and not the fact that the Russians will gouge Turkey because of us ... rather, the surrender of judo Kremlin in Ukraine will lead to Russian fury and they will throw off the power of the lackeys of the Fed ... and further on the head will receive all the countries involved in the Khazaria project, and in North Jerusalem ...

[wmn5500]

I read it. Understood your position. You and I seem to exist in different worlds. To talk about something, you better return to the real world, and not dream of all sorts of nonsense about "Khazaria" and other projects. Wake up don't live myths.

[WOLF330]

At least at 24, at least at 20, and even tomorrow ... If even such a kneading will happen, then chop yourself, in this case nothing will remain of you (Armenians) at all. There are many reasons and I guarantee you this not by hearsay from your seers, but personally from myself

[Karenas]

During the collapse of the Union, all pan-Turkism and the might of the corrupt generals of the Soviet army were on your side; fought against us with countless amounts of weapons left over from the Union ... Didn't help you ... Even the training of your military in Turkey was already in 1992 ... I know for sure that on the day of the Gamsakhurdist putsch in Georgia, buses with your soldiers were returning from Turkey ... To the question of the Georgian chasers: "Don't you understand that tomorrow they will act against Georgia? !!" - they shyly averted their eyes ...

[wmn5500]

During the collapse of the Union, the entire Christian world was on the Armenian side, and exactly the same corrupt generals of the Soviet army, Azerbaijan was practically in international isolation. It was the Armenian side that fought against us with a myriad of weapons with the help of foreign experts, mercenaries and adventurer volunteers from around the world. You were provided with intelligence and the French and the British and Americans .... (believe me, I know what I'm saying). You received almost complete political and military support from the Russian Federation. And as a result, and you did not really help.
They could not win. Therefore, today we have a deadlock.

[Karenas]

Quote: wmn5500

You were provided with intelligence and the French and the British and Americans .... (believe me, I know what I'm saying). You received almost complete political and military support from the Russian Federation. And as a result, and you did not really help.
They could not win. Therefore, for today we have

I believe, if you submit the documents ... Well, it's ridiculous ... the Zionists rule England and France, but do they help us? gee gee gee
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I wrote earlier ... In the 92nd Russian Federation, I was on your side, both militarily and politically ... And they agreed to Turkish aggression against us ... Thanks to the Americans, they warned the Turks that they would receive problems from them, since Russia will not create them for us ...
In October 93, both Yeltsin and Chernomyrdin were indifferent to Turkish intervention by the war ... Oleg Lobov stopped ...
In the 94th, our attack to Kura was stopped by Moscow ... The faithful son of the Jewish people, Yevgeny Primakov, convinced the drunk that he would agree with Turkey on her non-interference in the planned war in Chechnya, but to do this, stop the Armenians ...
Moscow, on the last day of the negotiations, forced the signature on Armenia into a ceasefire agreement between Karabakh and Azn ... this still creates problems for the Karabakh people ... Kazimirov speaks about the isoption of the signature from Armenia ...

[wmn5500]

About providing intelligence. Your users on the network say the data, and you yourself just confirmed this by thanking Americans. This is also indicated by the suspicious accuracy of the Armenian artillery.
How is it that Russia was on the side of Azerbaijan in 92? This is when Elchibey expelled the Russian troops from the territory of Azerbaijan? This is really funny!
Your attack on the Kura was stopped not by Moscow, but by an Azerbaijani soldier. Remind you of Goradiz or Bashir World? Roughly speaking, having descended from the mountains, the Armenian side turned out to be unable to conduct "bd" on the plain, and its strength had already run out. While you fought in the mountains using sabotage and terrorist methods, you were successful, as soon as the cover in the form of the mountains was gone, the Armenians were unable to wage a war face to face with the enemy.
So there is no need for detective stories from the Armenian propaganda.

PS By the way, you yourself admitted that you are a fascist and a terrorist. See your comments below. Therefore, I no longer want to have a conversation with you.

[Karenas]

They made fun of gee-gee-gee. About the attitude towards future prisoners who wrote ???
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By "thank you" to the Americans ... So WikiLeaks gave printouts of the negotiations of the Turks with the American Embassy here ... And about the opinion of the State Department then that the Armenians could divide Az-n in the Ganja region, with access to the Kura ...
My friends fought in the Yevlakh region ... According to them, there were no Turkic soldiers there, but they were ordered to leave these territories ...
In those days, the words of the 44th (Samvel Babayan) were heard on the air:
"We were given three days to end the war." (I will not quote the rest of the words yet :))
It is clear that only Moscow could force him, but not Yerevan at all ... After all, a situation similar to the times of the Shusha operation, when the fedayeen from Artsakh warned the authorities in Yerevan from Artsakh, could have repeated: only then they liberated Shushi !!! "

According to Horadiz. There definitely were Anatolian Turks dug in ... firmly settled ... But it was possible to dislodge ... Only Yerevan was against it - liquid masons were in charge, and they didn’t send ammunition ... I know our officer, who was ordered to move back from the territories that he liberated arbitrarily ... Yes, and our saboteurs were not allowed to blow up an important bridge in Horadiz, across Araks to Iran ... My heart bleeds when I see your trucks on the bridge there ...
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As for the accuracy of our gunners ... Dalibaltayan worked with them ...
Last year, the chief of artillery of one of the regiments of the war of the 90s was buried ... I know this topic very well ... By the way, he was the only one of my friends who spoke well about the robot and sergeant of those times ... I still remember with surprise ...

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

You were provided with intelligence and the French and the British and Americans .... (believe me, I know what I'm saying).

Wow, new to the site and immediately "(trust me, I know what I'm talking about)". Well, how can one not believe after such words, oh great Vugar (it was sarcasm, if someone did not understand).

And then, as usual:

Quote: Karenas

I believe if you submit the documents ...

Quote: wmn5500

About providing intelligence. data your online users say

Mdaaa .. Users on the network say a lot of things, and why do you only consider this to be the ultimate truth?

No sir, or provide confirmation of your words or you are an ordinary balabol.

[wmn5500]

I can’t provide fake documents like your fellow tribesmen do, such as the completely illiterate letter of Sadykov.
I speak as an eyewitness, but I have already given indirect evidence of my words, I can add, for example, an article by an Armenian journalist Naira Hayrumyan, where she writes about the conclusion of the bodies of pilots of a downed 2012 Armenian helicopter. Where it directly indicates that the operation became possible thanks to the provided satellite intelligence. given by the Americans.
Do not like, refute exactly the Armenian sources.

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

and I have already given indirect evidence of my words, I can add, for example, an article by an Armenian journalist Naira Hayrumyan, where she writes about the conclusion of the bodies of pilots of a downed Armenian helicopter 2012g.

You are confusing something ...

Quote: wmn5500

I speak as an eyewitness

At least theoretically, where could you be an eyewitness?

[wmn5500]

No confusion. Look for May June in Lragir
Not only theoretically but practically could and was!

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

No confusion. Look for May June in Lragir

2012, no helicopters went astray. You are confusing something.

Quote: wmn5500

Not only theoretically but practically could and was!

To be an eyewitness of the transfer of intelligence data from the USA to Armenia, you must work in the relevant departments of either the USA or Armenia, unless of course you are not a psychic. So are you an Azerbaijani Sorge?

[wmn5500]

Yes, you are right not in 2012, but in 2014 I really mixed up the dates. But this does not change the essence of the matter.
No Stirlitz

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

No Stirlitz

Stirlitz who confuses dates ...

[wmn5500]

What to do, old age is not a joy.

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

What to do, old age is not a joy.

Or maybe it's not about old age, Stirlitz?

[wmn5500]

I didn’t understand something, that the event didn’t happen in the 12th and the 14th year that something has changed? So do you have something to say or add to what Ayrumyan wrote? Or do you specifically want to divert the topic?

[Brut]

Quote: wmn5500

I didn’t understand something, that the event didn’t happen in the 12th and the 14th year that something has changed? So do you have something to say or add to what Ayrumyan wrote? Or do you specifically want to divert the topic?

I read what Ayrumyan wrote and, as you said, this is indirect evidence, and the very essence of the dialogue concerned the fact that you were an eyewitness.
Do you understand the Azerbaijani info-warriors do not confuse such dates, because it’s a joke that they shot down 1 helicopter in 25 years.

[wmn5500]

The essence of the issue was the transfer of intelligence. data from the West to the Armenians, which, as we have seen, is confirmed, albeit indirectly.
As for the dates, then I am not a soldier inf. war, and if you are a professional, I confess that I'm just an amateur in this matter.

[Yujanin]

I will single out Talyshes and Udin, well, Lezgin

And in what place do you determine which of the prisoners of war are Talysh, and which are the Udins and Lezghins?

[Karenas]

The skull for a start ... Lezgins and udins from the Caucasian group stand out by their skin color, Talyshs from Iranian, that is, they have more Aryan appearance than a cross between a Mongoloid and a local enslaved population ...
And then I’ll ask ... If several Türks take deception like these, then it doesn’t matter ... the Türks helped me out several times, so I’ll take this into account too ...
:) :) :)

[Yujanin]

Skull for starters ..

Fascist?

[wmn5500]

Apparently our Armenian "friend" is a worthy successor to the work of Alfred Rosenberg.

[Karenas]

Yesterday I told my friends that, apparently, I would have to go with a caliper ... I see too many Russophobia among classmates ... when one of them replied that all their complaints (or rather, most) should be sent not to Russians but to judo , so he became furious, and left his own office so that I would not continue to educate his employees :)

[Seal]

SW Karenas. May I have this confession of yours that among your classmates I’ll copy too many Russophobes and use them to admonish those who believe that all Armenians are very nice to us. Yes, I hope that your classmates are Armenians, not Jews?

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

SW Karenas. May I have this confession of yours that among your classmates I’ll copy too many Russophobes and use them to admonish those who believe that all Armenians are very nice to us. Yes, I hope that your classmates are Armenians, not Jews?

Just emphasize that "too much" is only four out of a hundred and fifty (I guess the fifth may be).
As for the Armenians, this is how I will need a caliper for that, to check if they are of a different nationality ... they will not always show the last names for themselves ...
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And as for the presence of Russophobia here - demonstrations against electricity tariffs clearly showed this, there are too many loafers, and they were accumulating under the pipes of grant-eaters, and even when they saw the Kremlin’s love for our enemies with their own eyes ... By the way, like the American who was jumping there, very competent, now walks in the rank of minister ...

[Alex1117]

Well, who are the Turks for us?
And, actually, why did you decide that without your explanation we do not understand who the Turks are for us. In fact, since 1992, more than 50 million Russians have already been on holiday in Turkey.

[Oquzyurd]

"And who are the Turks for Russia?" And who and what are you to ask such questions ???. How do the Armenians worry that the Russian Federation and Turkey have good relations. I have not seen in one forum and discussion that Armenians pass by They are trying with all their might to prove, not even to prove, but simply to scream in hysterics that the Turks are not friends of Russia, forgetting that no one in the world of politics is a friend to anyone, but there is mutual benefit and interest.

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yujanin

You will ask Lezghins, Tats, Udins, Talyshs, and the Armenians themselves, on whose land you are stationed.

Also ask these peoples I have listed.
I will not clog the site with controversy.

[Yujanin]

Also ask these peoples I have listed.

[SGarnik]

And what is seditious in this? Does anyone mind these words? You know, proving to you the autochthonousness of the Armenians, I question the history of the region.
Yes, we are talking about Russia itself, at that time Arts.ah was part of the Persian Empire.

[Yujanin]

Now the president of Turkey and the CSTO ally, Kazakhstan, led by Nazarbayev, dream of uniting the Turkic peoples

SGarnik, you throw these childish provocative deeds. Do you really consider yourself smart, and Russian stupid? What nonsense are you talking about? And why should Nazarbay unite his country with Turkey in order to lose his power? Or do Kazakhs no longer care about their national identity? The same applies to Azerbaijanis, a people who are much closer to the Turks than the Kazakhs.

[Seal]

Quote: SGarnik

Turks will never leave the alliance, it’s like death for them, and they don’t need it either. They (the USA and Turkey) have the same geopolitical interests - to destroy Russia. Some want to unite the Turkic lands, others take possession of the bowels of these lands.
As a Turk, you know this better than me. The bloodthirsty Enver, your hero, aspired to this. And now the President of Turkey and the CSTO ally Kazakhstan, led by Nazarbayev, dream of uniting the Turkic peoples and this is good, but not for Russia and Armenia.

Firstly, once again I state your rudeness and attempt to present an uncomfortable opponent as a Turk (Turk), attributing that Enver Pasha is supposedly my hero. Well, by the way, this is the traditional position of 99% of your compatriots. .
Secondly, I suggest you watch the exposing program about psychics "Exposing the Battle of Psychics on TNT". It clearly shows that all people who supposedly know what other people are thinking are crooks. You are trying to prove to us that you are such a cool psychic that you easily got into the thoughts of not only the President of Kazakhstan N. Nazarbayev, but also the thoughts of the whole of Kazakhstan.

In fact, the statements of a number of Armenian figures of the late 19th and early 20th centuries clearly show that the creation of Great Armenia was to be carried out both at the expense of the lands of the Ottoman Empire, and at the expense of the lands of the Russian Empire. And a little at the expense of Iran.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

In fact, the statements of a number of Armenian figures of the late 19th and early 20th centuries clearly show that the creation of Great Armenia was to be carried out both at the expense of the lands of the Ottoman Empire, and at the expense of the lands of the Russian Empire. And a little at the expense of Iran.

And which of them can be taken seriously? I repeat the last time (already tired of this):
Armenian political parties were created by the Zionists in order to control and direct the local political movements ... One hundred times wrote ... the Dashnaks prepared to give the Turks the keys to the capital, only a military man named Aram who did not allow them to do this threatened them and who called for a fight ... He died in those days ... unfortunately, I don’t know if he received a bullet from the Turkish army or from the Dashnaks in the back?

The emperor himself wanted to give us a separation from the Republic of Ingushetia ... But to get himself the Armenian historical lands that belonged to Persia at that time ... it would be problematic ...

[SGarnik]

Quote: wmn5500

The most faithful is probably because there is nowhere to go. Like "where are you going from the submarine"

The geopolitical position of countries dictates the creation of alliances.

[wmn5500]

Well, do not blame me, each state acts in accordance with its nat. interests.

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: SGarnik

According to the entourage of the former President of Armenia Sargsyan,

probably siranush grandmother))))

Quote: SGarnik

You like the word vassal, so you are such in relation to Turkey

you don’t confuse yourself. the number one investment in Turkey and no military base and one people cannot be a vassal to yourself.

Quote: SGarnik

Moreover, you want to dissolve in the Anatolian Turks while changing your religion.

hm Anatolian Turks Muslims, Caucasian Muslims, too? This is what faith will be replaced ???

Well, do not invest in Russia, it must be ruined. Yes, and the Turkish base why in the so-called. Azerbaijan, if no one threatens it. There are quite a lot of Turkish soldiers in Nakhichevan and they don’t need a separate base; they are part of its army. There are also militants who fought in Syria. Transition from Shiism to Sunnism.

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yujanin

Do you need to suck the numbers from your fingers?

I did not search the Internet for a letter from the chief of staff m. t n Azerbaijan, put up by the opposition of the current government in Baku. Reprinted version.https: //regnum.ru/news/2311343.html
Everything is painted here. You can listen to them on YouTube.

[Yujanin]

on the Internet a letter from the chief of staff m. t n Azerbaijan put up by the opposition of the current government in Baku.

Fingering facts from your fingers again? And this is what the opposition put up secret letter of the chief of staff of the Ministry of Defense of the AR. May stop spoiling the air with fantasies and share the link!

[SGarnik]

Quote: Yujanin

Do you really consider yourself smart, and Russian stupid?

Russians were removed from power from the October Revolution, not counting the times of Stalin's rule.
Kazakhs do not need to dissolve in the Turks. Nazarbayev’s dream will unite in an alliance with the Turks.

[Yujanin]

Nazarbayev’s dream will unite in an alliance with the Turks.

Did Nazarbay personally tell you about his dream, or are there reliable sources on this score?

[Karenas]

Quote: Yujanin

Nazarbayev’s dream will unite in an alliance with the Turks.

Did Nazarbay personally tell you about his dream, or are there reliable sources on this score?

Shurik, I recalled Nazarbayev’s words in a year like 1992 (or 1993), when he talked about plans to build a railway from China through Central Asia and Kazakhstan ...
Apparently, out of great love for Russia with the Trans-Siberian and Russian ....
Well, about the words of the Uzbek deputy to his Turkish colleague in 1992: "In 15 years we will work in the same parliament." I have already given earlier.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

In 15 years we will work in the same parliament. "I have already quoted

the Parliamentary Assembly of the Turkic countries with 4 commissions almost came to pass is a reality. By the way, Nazarbayev was the initiator of the parliamentary assembly.

[Karenas]

Ali, I remembered how you gave examples of your passports of the 30s with the indication of nat. "Turks" ... In 89 I happened to meet a guy from Moldova, who showed his passport with the indication of the national "Turks" ... He was very proud of this; in conversations he showed himself as an ardent nationalist ... The tattoo on his shoulder was not a wolf, but a leopard ... he did not ask him about belonging to the direction of his activity ... in his words, he knew 8 languages ​​...
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By the way, I myself made a drone back in the 89th ... I wanted to arrange an explosion next to the leadership of Az. at the parade in Baku on November 7 ... but the control system did not work for me (I’m soldering, apparently, badly, the transistors have deteriorated), I did not have time for the date ... but in the wake. it was already unrealistic to arrange such a year ...

[wmn5500]

Wow .... Yes, the terrorist who did not take place turns out to be !!! Unexpected recognition!

[WOLF330]

What a nix? Duc is another set of border troops. These are not regular parts, nothing to worry about (it’s me the experiencer). Soon the next order from Pakistan will arrive in time, 3 squadrons of "Thunder" s, then it will be possible to stage "The Suite of Hopelessness" (and this is for fans of opera music).

[WOLF330]

[quote = SGarnik] [quote] We are not selling anything to Armenia. We supply for free. Ally type: ((([/ quote
No need to take a lot. How do you know this? And even if Russia gave Armenia a weapon, it was to deter an ally of its geopolitical adversary. Of all Russia's allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the most faithful .K Platoshkin on YouTube. [/ Quote]
[Center][/ cente]
It is the blatant fact that you are the "most" ...

[WOLF330]

Quote: Karenas

Skull for starters .. :)

Well done, purely Goebbels approach.
Zori Balayan, too, sitting, watched how many minutes an Azerbaijani girl would die who had skinned alive. She lasted 7 minutes, YOU can not hold out. Dachau is a cartoon compared to your atrocities.

[Karenas]

I will not say anything about Zoria, I do not know, but your Sumgait immediately set the tone for the atrocities ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Thanks to the Americans, they warned the Turks that they would receive problems from them, since Russia would not create them for us ..

Well, they finally recognized that the United States is the real "defender of Armenia". That's just why you kept silent about the fact that this position of the US President's Administration and the US Congress is forced to occupy the Armenian lobby in the US Congress, which is the second most influential after the Israeli one.

Quote: Karenas

In October 93, both Yeltsin and Chernomyrdin were indifferent to Turkish intervention by the war ... Oleg Lobov stopped ...

Also a characteristic recognition. We look who Lobov is. Appointed in January 1989 Second Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Armenia. In June 1990, at the constituent congress of the Communist Party of the RSFSR, he ran for the post of first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the RSFSR, but lost the election to Ivan Polozkov.
What else is interesting about him?
Since 1991, he headed the so-called Russian-Japanese University, which maintained ties with Shoko Asahara and his sect Aum Shinrikyo. According to the doctor Ikuo Hayashi, the documentation for the production of sarin for the implementation of the sarin attack in the Tokyo subway was purchased in 1993 in Russia from Lobov. According to him, members of the sect paid Oleg Lobov about 10 million yen (or $ 79 thousand) for the technology for producing sarin. His testimony was confirmed by the "chief of intelligence" of the Yoshihiro Inoue sect, who admitted that gas could not have been produced without the help of Lobov. However, the Tokyo prosecutor’s office was unable to prove Lobov’s participation in the sect. In Russia, a representative of the FSB expressed doubt about the reliability of such statements. Lobov himself refused to somehow explain such allegations.

Quote: Karenas

In the 94th, our advance to the Kura River was stopped by Moscow ... The faithful son of the Jewish people, Yevgeny Primakov

Oh well. It turns out interestingly. If some kind of a muddy figure, like Lobov, then he is your friend. And if what a truly Russian patriot, such as Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov, then he is surely your enemy, and even with a charge of Jewry on the basis that Yevgeny Maksimovich’s grandmother was Jewish.
But one can find evidence that Yevgeny Maksimovich was close to the Armenians.

“In 2000, Yevgeny Maksimovich stayed with a politician Stepan Sitarian in Yerevan,” said businessman Narine Davtyan. - Stepan Sitaryan was my relative. Yevgeny Primakov saw that my 6-year-old son had strabismus. He immediately called the eye of Svyatoslav Fedorov, and instructed to immediately begin treatment. Doctors on time began to treat their son with new methods of that time and thanks to this, they managed to avoid surgery. He loved children: he immediately began to show my children different tricks: circus tricks with falling coins from the sleeves. My daughter, who was fond of painting, then painted a portrait: Primakov is in a turban, and coins fall from the sleeve. We solemnly handed it to him.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

And if what a truly Russian patriot, such as Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov, then he is surely your enemy, and even with a charge of Jewry on the basis that Yevgeny Maksimovich’s grandmother was Jewish.
But one can find evidence that Yevgeny Maksimovich was close to the Armenians.

I made a mistake there, ranking Primakov as a Jew ... He is a Khazarin ... His eyes give out .... As Martiros Saryan once said at the Tchaikovsky table, the artist will determine his nationality better than a passportist :) :) :)

When I talk with politicians who respect Primakov (these are those to whom he said: "After Ter-Petrosyan, Kocharyan will come, but he will pursue the same policy ..."), I ask them only one question: "How do you explain to me? that Primakov (together with Bakatin) hid during the GKChP days at Volsky's dacha?

For this, Primakov organized with your SVR on October 27.10.99, XNUMX, knowing which one would come to undivided power ...
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Sergei Petrovich, apparently, and I will consider you a Turk ... Example of Primakov leads me to this, and not only :)

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According to our defender in 1992, 1993. USA....
The British remember their fears of the mid-17th century, when the Ottomans thought to defeat the islanders ...
Here the Anglo-Saxons did not want the restoration of the Turkish Empire, and even with Turan in addition ... Although the Jewish elite of the United States worked hard for this (remember the "Goble Plan").
I'm tired of answering your hackneyed topic on the Armenian lobby in the USA ... Change the record ... it's not even funny ... There are only two poles of power - Angles and Jews !!!

[Seal]

As Martiros Saryan once said at the Tchaikovsky table

Are you a famous artist too? Well, then, who told you that M. Saryan is absolutely right? Indeed, in order to correctly determine nationality, you need to know all the nationalities that exist in the world. M. Saryan was an ethnic specialist? No wasn `t. I believe that he would not have distinguished the Czech from the Slovak.

apparently, and I will consider you a Turk.

And what am I supposed to consider you? Well, judging by your anti-Semitism - an Arab from the Gaza Strip? Or a super-Orthodox Jew, a member of the Card Nature, who are probably even bigger anti-Zionists than Arabs?

The British remember their fears of the mid-17th century, when the Ottomans thought to defeat the islanders ..

The same advice to you as to SGarnik. Watch the exposing program about psychics "Exposing the Battle of psychics on TNT". It clearly shows that all people who supposedly know what other people are thinking are crooks. You are trying to prove to us that you are such a tough psychic that you easily penetrated the thoughts of the medieval Turks and know exactly what they "thought" about. And they penetrated the thoughts of modern Englishmen and you know exactly what fears they remember.

There are only two poles of power - the Angles and the Jews !!!

Tired of answering your hackneyed topic that Jews are everywhere. Change the record ... not even funny ...

[Karenas]

The year is so 1666 ... Look for information, there is a lot of it ... how England trembled at the thought of the Turkish invasion ... And before their eyes loomed a story of 40 years so old ... When the Sultan threatened the French with an invasion, and such, that when the first Turkish Askar enters Paris, the latter will still be in the Bosphorus ... He also called the French leader just a bay, not recognizing the king in him ...
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According to Primakov, I can recall a lot of things, but lazily ... I vaguely remember that Sergei Dorenko spoke of him correctly in the days of the Kursk tragedy ... But K. The Foreign Ministry proceeds precisely from Primakov.

[Karenas]

I’ll add, it didn’t write correctly ...
All non-Russian politics of your Foreign Ministry and the state as a whole ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

The year is so 1666th ... Look for information, there is a lot of it ... how England was trembling with the thought of the Turkish invasion ... And before their eyes loomed the story of a 40-year-old so long ago ...

You probably in your childhood read too much adventure literature, in which every now and then someone is trembling from approaching something.
Well, you read in some book that "the whole of England was trembling" - but you shouldn't take it all so literally. England, of course, is a nasty country. Still, we must give her credit that her history is largely comprised of wars. So why would she shiver?
All the more so for whom that there in 1666 could loom forty years ago, and even what was in relation to the French? Moreover, since in 1626 England was just waging a war with France, then everything that was done by anyone against the French - the British could only cause "a feeling of deep satisfaction."
But even the feeling of deep satisfaction, if it was in 1626, in 1666 there was no one to remember. The human age in those days was not long. Yes, back in 1642, a civil war broke out in England, as a result of which in 1649 King Charles the First lost a very important part of the body - the head. People have died - there is so much passion. In 1660, royal power was restored, but in 1665 there was an epidemic of bubonic plague in England. It was the last outbreak in the history of the country - it was dubbed the Great Plague, and it especially hit London. Tens of thousands of people died, life in the city froze, only the creak of funeral carts was heard in the night. Corpses lay on the streets, in the city reigned terrible unsanitary conditions. People fled from the city in a panic, trying to protect themselves from infection; red crosses were painted on the doors of sick houses, their inhabitants were forbidden to go outside.
By the way, the Turks, of course, in your opinion are complete fools. But probably, even in your opinion, it’s still enough to climb into the country plagued by the previous year the very next year.
By 1666, the epidemic began to subside, and then the Great Fire broke out. It began in a baker's shop on Paddinglane and quickly spread throughout the city, which at that time was a close cluster of wooden houses. The fire raged for three days, in some areas the land became so hot that two weeks later it was impossible to walk on it.
In the same 1665, the Second Dutch War began, which became a big blow to the royal treasury. Money was sorely lacking. It got to the point that in 1667 the entire English fleet had to be laid up at the mouth of the Thames. The Dutch, who found out about this, took the opportunity and made a daring sortie: they burned several ships, and one warship with the symbolic name “King Charles” was taken away in tow. The English sailors, at that time rebelling over the non-payment of salaries, calmly watched this picture.
If the English sailors calmly watched the Dutch burn and pull their ships in tow, it is logical to assume that in fact they were some kind of Turks at all.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

If the English sailors calmly watched the Dutch burn and pull their ships in tow, it is logical to assume that in fact they were some kind of Turks at all.

You know about the close interaction of Dutch Jews and Turks ... So you can guess why in fact the English sailors only stared ... :) :) :)

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

M. Saryan was an ethnic specialist? No wasn `t. I believe that he would not have distinguished the Czech from the Slovak.

Would be distinguished ... The Czechs, like the Bavarians, have Armenian blood ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Would be distinguished ... The Czechs, like the Bavarians, have Armenian blood ...

Announce the whole list, pzhzhzhzhalsta !! Having Armenian blood.

PS You did not forget that you promised to find confirmation of your theory about certain American battleships that supposedly roamed around Turkey in packs ... hmm, forgot what year you spoke in order to slander the Armenians?

[Karenas]

Well, the clowning answer will not be from me, but in terms of PS I will answer.
The theory was not from me, but from the academician ... He does not answer at home a call from an unknown number, but it is impossible to call an official, because Beeline belonging to the Russians turned off many numbers due to non-payment ... Soon I will go to the familiar academicians and ask them what number I can call him on.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Tired of answering your hackneyed topic that Jews are everywhere. Change the record ... not even funny ...

Sometimes I come to the conclusion that I did something stupid in 1992 when I refused the offer of my Moscow Jewish friends to take part in their sales of government posts in the Russian Federation ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Shurik, I recalled Nazarbayev’s words in a year like 1992 (or 1993), when he talked about plans to build a railway from China through Central Asia and Kazakhstan ...
Apparently, out of great love for Russia with the Trans-Siberian and Russian ...

Thank you for confirming my findings, which I have repeatedly voiced.
The objective reality is that we need Azerbaijan, not Armenia. In the conditions when Georgia set its sights on NATO, we need to build and strengthen the Russia-Azerbaijan-Iran axis from our nose. Our three countries, bordering each other, cover all of Eurasia from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean. And no one can extend any gas pipeline or oil pipeline bypassing our countries to the West. We immediately completely exclude any illusions from our Central Asian and Kazakh partners that they will be able to pull their oil pipelines and gas pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan tied to us). Not a single locomotive or wagon our three countries from the East (from China, Korea) on the way to the West - will not go round. Neither by land nor by sea (on ferries). And if we also close the airspace for the passage of aircraft of unfriendly countries, then flights of civil aviation of unfriendly countries will also be covered.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

In the conditions when Georgia set its sights on NATO, we need to build and strengthen the Russia-Azerbaijan-Iran axis from our nose.

Quote: Seal

And no one can extend any gas pipeline or oil pipeline bypassing our countries to the West. We immediately completely exclude any illusions from our Central Asian and Kazakh partners that they will be able to pull their oil pipelines and gas pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan tied to us).

Hmm, again .. How and how you can in the long run to bind Azerbaijan and Iran to you? What can you give Iran whatever it holds out own gas pipeline to Europe, earning billions of dollars?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Brut

How and by what means can you attach Azerbaijan and Iran to you in the long run? What can you give Iran so that it does not stretch its gas pipeline to Europe, earning billions of dollars?

Nobody says that Iran should not stretch, Russia itself is trying to do this. They simply acted from the same positions on the energy issue, so that Europeans understand Iranian gas not an alternative, but gas from an ally of the Russian Federation.
For me, Russia is not at the level to put something for the level of Iran, so that Iran and the Russian Federation become a strategic ally.
But the Russian Federation has much to offer to little Azerbaijan.

[Brut]

Quote: Yeraz

For me, Russia is not at the level to put something for the level of Iran, so that Iran and the Russian Federation become a strategic ally.

Well, I'm about the same.

Quote: Yeraz

But the Russian Federation has much to offer to little Azerbaijan.

And what is this much, only in the long run?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Brut

And what is this much, only in the long run?

Return of territories, access to modern military technologies and discounts, milder economic conditions for non-oil products of Azerbaijan, stability in the country, increased influence of Azerbaijan in Dagestan and especially in the south of Dagestan.
But this is from the point of view of the current structure of Azerbaijan and the current government in the current geopolitical situation.
I personally would refuse if the Russian Federation offered to return the land without the zero participation of the Azerbaijani army. There are other methods.

[Karenas]

Russia took away the territories of historical Azerbaijan from Persia by war - so return them ... and you will have a common border with the Persians :)
You can, of course, give the Lezghins north ... Recalling how Timur carved Lezgins to move the Turks there ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

Russia took away the territories of historical Azerbaijan from Persia by war - so return them ... and you will have a common border with the Persians :)

Yeah, Iran directly dreams of adding 100% almost populated by the Türks to its Northern territories, even 10 million Türks without any contact with the Persians themselves))) Then this will lead back to the previous 1000 year rule of the Türks, especially when the main Ayatollah Khameniya Turk.
They are not fools, only the Persians became the dominant, they will not want to lose.

[Karenas]

Ali, this is the time to move the Turks from historical Azerbaijan to their historical homeland in Central Asia :)

[Seal]

Karenas, when are you going to come to your historical homeland from Transcaucasia?

[Karenas]

This is our land ... Great Armenia and Little Armenia ... Cilicia too - compensation for the idiotic actions of the Byzantine rulers ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

so it's time to move the Turks from historical Azerbaijan to their historical homeland in Central Asia :)

Why Turkestan ?? And what about Altai ??? We came to Turkestan from there
We will do better in a proven way, we will facilitate the arrival of our brothers from there to Azerbaijan, and in some places Karabakh can also be populated by oppressed Uyghurs.

[Karenas]

Yes, it will be difficult for us to oppose the Turkestan front ... Primakov, of course, facilitated your work a thousand times by removing Vazgen Sargsyan from the scene ...

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

How and by what means can you attach Azerbaijan and Iran to you in the long run? What can you give Iran so that it does not stretch its gas pipeline to Europe, earning billions of dollars?

1. Are you going to change the political course of Iran?
2. Iran with its gas pipelines to Europe is already late. He has nothing to do there. In 2020, Nord Stream II and Turkish Stream will come into operation.
Our "Nord Stream I" and "Southern Gas Corridor" are already working, through which Azerbaijani gas is supplied to Turkey and Europe.
In addition, Israel and Cyprus are actively developing gas deposits in the eastern Mediterranean. Soon Lebanon and Syria will join them.
Europe simply will not need Iranian gas.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

1. Are you going to change the political course of Iran?

Does your question have a meaningful load?

Quote: Seal

2. Iran with its gas pipelines to Europe is already late. He has nothing to do there. In 2020, Nord Stream II and Turkish Stream will come into operation.
Our "Nord Stream I" and "Southern Gas Corridor" are already working, through which Azerbaijani gas is supplied to Turkey and Europe.
In addition, Israel and Cyprus are actively developing gas deposits in the eastern Mediterranean. Soon Lebanon and Syria will join them.
Europe simply will not need Iranian gas.

Does your Europe need gas from everyone except Iran? Or maybe Europe needs Iranian instead of Russian?

And you did not answer a simple question. I repeat:

Quote: Brut

How and what can you in the long run to bind Azerbaijan and Iran to you?

[Brut]

Quote: Karenas

In fact, the Persians are forced to look to Moscow ... In the hope of help in future wars against them ... The Persians have too many opponents ... it is clear that the Saudis wanted to sell their oil industry for 2 trillion. bucks just for a future war against the Persians ...

In my opinion, the war against Iran is needed only by Israel and then by the hands (troops) of the United States. Even the representatives of the military-industrial complex of America do not really want this war, I think they don’t care where to sell their products to the Pentagon or Saudi Arabia (a deal for 110 billion dollars). Democrats generally block any such (war) undertaking of the clown (Trump), they have the majority in the congress. But the Saudis are not warriors of the word at all, they have not been able to cope with Yemen for years. Europe and China do not need such a war at all. Well, maybe the Russian Federation needs a bit, because oil and gas prices will skyrocket. But in Russia, too, not everything is clear: Medvedev at one time froze the supply of S-300 to Iran, and Putin signed a nuclear deal and delivered the S-300. So Iran does not have many real opponents (ready to start a war), or rather not just one.
And they will look at the Russian Federation not only Iran, but also very many. After all, Russia is a superpower, despite the fact that many in the Russian elite ...

[Karenas]

Quote: Brut

After all, Russia is a superpower, despite the fact that many in the Russian elite ...

What kind of Russia "superpowers" the world saw on the example of Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.
The Saudis against the Persians will be able to fight with the last types of Yankee planes, they will attract military specialists from Pakistan, Turkey, not to mention Israel ... The whole question is in money ... 2 trillion. enough bucks to defeat Iran ... Will return a hundredfold ... They will become a political power ...

[Brut]

Quote: Karenas

What kind of Russia "superpowers" the world saw on the example of Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.

Karen do not confuse the country with power. Just then the power was different, without Faberge. Russia is the only country in the world that has nuclear parity with the United States.

Quote: Karenas

The Saudis against the Persians will be able to fight with the last types of Yankee planes, they will attract military specialists from Pakistan, Turkey, not to mention Israel ... The whole question is in money ... 2 trillion. enough bucks to defeat Iran ... Will return a hundredfold ... They will become a political power ...

The Saudis still have the latest types of aircraft, but they are not very helpful in Yemen. And the phrase "military expert from Pakistan" from the category of humor? Turkey is having trouble with the Saudis over Qatar. Israel will not send its specialists, human lives are highly valued there. Remember how in April 2016, an Azerbaijani transport worker flew to Israel, twice in 4 days? So if our Serzhik would have had Faberge now, Israel would have a different government.
And why do the Saudi Bedouins bucks? They already have so much money that can not be counted. And they will not become a political power nikagda .. they are Arabs, as they were Bedouins and remained. The only country in this region that is developing is the UAE (exaggerated).

[Karenas]

Brut, everything is just outrageous ... Remember how everyone paid with the amers for the war to liberate Kuwait ... And now, Jewish America would not mind splitting Iran with Saudi money ... But Turkey will definitely be glad to defeat Iran - because such Prospects will open in Turan !!!
_____
Brut, do not read fairy tales about decency for the case of 2016, especially on TA.
And yes, of course, the Jews are not omnipotent ... But only one Jew (L.T.P.'s wife) turned Armenia almost as she wanted ...

[Karenas]

Quote: Brut

Karen do not confuse the country with power. Just then the power was different, without Faberge. Russia is the only country in the world that has nuclear parity with the United States.

Yes, I don’t confuse ... I’m also sure that today's ones will hit Voronezh rather than Washington ...

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

Does your Europe need gas from everyone except Iran? Or maybe Europe needs Iranian instead of Russian?

Europe needs gas in such volumes that it can consume. Volumes larger than its (Europe) consumption - Europe does not need.
In the days of the USSR, Iranian gas was supplied to Europe in what way? Iran piped its gas to our Central Asia. And we already through our pipelines, which went from Siberia to Europe, transferred to Europe part of our gas to the offset of Iranian gas supplied to our Central Asia and consumed there.
Now such a scheme does not work. Iran needs to either pull its own pipelines to Europe or use existing pipelines through Azerbaijan. But the Azerbaijani pipeline system, which then goes through Turkey to Europe, will not take large volumes of Iranian gas technically.
There remains the option of liquefying gas and transporting it with gas tankers. But this is again the cost.
And further. There are no prerequisites for changing the Iranian political system in the long run. So Israel will continue to consider Iran its main enemy for many years to come. In this case, nothing shines for Iranian gas in Europe. See how Trump comes to Europe because of our gas.
Here is Iran’s attachment to us. And Azerbaijan will be attached to us as soon as we help it restore its territorial integrity. Since after Azerbaijan regains its territorial integrity, we will pursue such a policy that Azerbaijan will have nowhere to go. A step to the right or a step to the left, and even more so an attempt to jump up, will be regarded by us as a provocation, followed by a small boost to Armenia’s finances and weapons. Well, and you will always be ready to go again to take Karabakh, right? That's how we will scare Azerbaijan with you
And while Armenia exists, Azerbaijan, which has restored its territorial integrity, will be firmly attached to us.

[Brut]

Well, here you can ... start thinking logically. And I thought Armenian-phobia completely eclipsed your mind. Let's develop your thought.

Quote: Seal

Europe needs gas in such volumes that it can consume. Volumes larger than its (Europe) consumption - Europe does not need.

I completely agree. But at the same time, there are a lot of analyzes in the network that in Europe gas consumption is growing, domestic production is falling. And Europe is also buying large volumes of LNG from Qatar, which is more expensive than pipeline gas. And somewhere around 40% of the total volume bought by Europe is Russian gas, and Europe has always been for the diversification of supplies.

Quote: Seal

Iran needs to either pull its own pipelines to Europe or use existing pipelines through Azerbaijan. But the Azerbaijani pipeline system, which then goes through Turkey to Europe, will not take large volumes of Iranian gas technically.

Well, firstly: the Azerbaijani pipeline system has the ability to expand. What prevents them from stretching a few more threads? And even more: Lukashenko in his interview said that Aliyev promised to lay these pipes through ... Armenia. By the way, this is not news, such rumors were circulated back in 99. Then the president of Azerbaijan was Heydar Aliyev, the father of the present.
And secondly: why are you sure that Iran will not be able to extend its own pipe to Europe? Look at the map and think logically.

Quote: Seal

And further. There are no prerequisites for changing the Iranian political system in the long run. So Israel will continue to consider Iran its main enemy for many years to come. In this case, nothing shines for Iranian gas in Europe. See how Trump comes to Europe because of our gas.

I’ll tell you a secret: Jews are not omnipotent, they are ordinary people. If Israel considers Iran its main enemy, this does not mean that all of Europe also thinks so, and even everything in the United States. The nuclear deal is a confirmation of this, which was signed by both Europeans and Americans. And this clown (Trump), who came out of the deal, is just a temporary snag, he only has a little more than a year. He cannot even carry out the budget of his country.
And further. Europeans are doubly profitable to buy gas from Iran. Besides the fact that they will be able to blackmail Gazprom in terms of price, the billions of dollars (for gas) will return to them for airbuses, for trucks, etc. The Russian superjet did not enter Iran; the Americans did not allow it.

Quote: Seal

And Azerbaijan will be attached to us as soon as we help it restore its territorial integrity. Since after Azerbaijan regains its territorial integrity, we will pursue such a policy that Azerbaijan will have nowhere to go. A step to the right or a step to the left, and even more so an attempt to jump up, will be regarded by us as a provocation, followed by a small boost to Armenia’s finances and weapons. Well, and you will always be ready to go again to take Karabakh, right? That's how we will scare Azerbaijan with you

And you do not think that if you help him "restore his territorial integrity" we will regard this as a hostile step and follow the example of Georgia, i.e. show the Russian base to the exit, etc. Now look at the map again and say: if Georgia and Armenia are "aimed at NATO," and Turkey is a member, where will Azerbaijan be "aimed"? And where will the Pan-Turkic belt go? Kazakhs, Uzbeks and all of Central Asia are Turkic peoples.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Brut

those. let’s show the Russian base, etc.

If the United States does not agree to fully support Armenia, Armenia will not be able to do anything, Armenian migrants in the Russian Federation, a bunch of Armenian rich people including in the Russian Federation and a bunch of other things in which Armenia depends on the Russian Federation.
Plus, the focus on NATO, unlike Georgia, is a direct path to confrontation with Iran, one thing Turkey, which can often not be said by NATO, is another thing Armenia in NATO, which can’t say it, so Iran will definitely act against this.
Therefore, if there is no situation in which the United States does not fully take on political and economic content Armenia, Armenia will be in a stalemate. And I see no signs for the sake of which Armenia will become so valuable to the United States.

Quote: Brut

and Turkey is a member, where will Azerbaijan be "aimed"?

Azerbaijan is already aiming there, just because of the Karabakh and the dikatur moment, it doesn’t break there, as others understand the consequences and the chances of entry.

[Brut]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: Brut
those. let’s show the Russian base, etc.

If the United States does not agree to fully support Armenia, Armenia will not be able to do anything, Armenian migrants in the Russian Federation, a bunch of Armenian rich people including in the Russian Federation and a bunch of other things in which Armenia depends on the Russian Federation.
Plus, the focus on NATO, unlike Georgia, is a direct path to confrontation with Iran, one thing Turkey, which can often not be said by NATO, is another thing Armenia in NATO, which can’t say it, so Iran will definitely act against this.
Therefore, if there is no situation in which the United States does not fully take on political and economic content Armenia, Armenia will be in a stalemate. And I see no signs for the sake of which Armenia will become so valuable to the United States.

No need to take the phrase out of context. And the context was as follows: here, with Comrade Seal, we tried to analyze his wet dreams - Russia helps Azerbaijan in the war against Armenia, and then blackmail Azerbaijan with the help of Armenia.
In a nutshell, the loss to Armenia means the Pan-Turkic belt, including the whole of Central Asia, led by Turkey, a sort of Ottoman Empire of the 21st century. Now think and tell which of the superpowers (USA, Russia, Europe, China) or regional countries (Iran) needs this, well, except for you? With Turkey, both Russia and the United States are "swirling the clock" now, but what will happen then?

And further. When you write the name of the country with a small letter, this does not mean your patriotism, but rather about your complexes.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Brut

Now think and tell which of the superpowers (USA, RF, Europe, China) or regional countries (Iran) do you need this, well, besides you?

Yes, the principle minus Iran to any of the superpowers.
And the Türk Union in the global sense is impossible, there isn’t Mammoth. Turkey is certainly stronger than any of the Türkic countries, but not economically enough to completely attract them and be a leader there. Plus, the moment there is no border and remoteness. And a union where there is no leader in all respects poses threats. And this alliance may be of interest to superpowers in confronting their enemies.

Quote: Brut

When you write the name of the country with a small letter, this does not mean your patriotism, but rather about your complexes.

it’s you who decided that this is how I show my patriotism. No patriotism manifests itself in another way, and this is my attitude to state education called Armenia, to which I have no respect for any parameter.

[Seal]

Quote: SGarnik

to hold back an ally of its geopolitical adversary

And who, in your opinion, is our "geopolitical enemy"? Well, apart from the USA and England, of course.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Russia took away the territories of historical Azerbaijan from Persia by war - return it to them

And why should we return to Iran what he does not even ask? Maybe we still need to find the descendants of Khan Kuchum and return Siberia to them?
All our wars with Iran and Turkey and with anyone else, except the last war with Japan, ended in peace treaties. And what is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Read Armenianophobe

Do you have Griboedov - an Armenianophobe? And germanophobe? Sorry, but to call a person who in his own words simply adequately reflected reality, based on Russia's interests, is not good.
Maybe you and A.S. Pushkin are also Armenian-phobic? He, you know, also somehow somehow didn’t reflect very well in his writings of Armenians.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Maybe you and A.S. Pushkin are also Armenian-phobic? He, you know, also somehow somehow didn’t reflect very well in his writings of Armenians.

Are you sure? Read the whole story.

[Karenas]

I must often quote the words of Griboedov, apparently :)

"The Germans rejected at home ...", in my opinion, betrays a Germanophobe in him ...
"All these Sergeevs ..." and further in the sentence betray an Armenophobe in it, and there is still a lot ...

According to Pushkin ... Here on VO I have already shown one Jew (nickname "odnokrovets") that in that work Pushkin used such words to designate as an enemy ... We, too, when we want to designate as an enemy, we often say “you are a Turk "

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

When in the 2024th Russia will arrange rocket fire on Turkish military infrastructure

And if nothing of the fact that you are currently scamming happens, you are ready ... what to do with yourself? And if there will be shelling, but not Turkish, but Armenian military infrastructure?

[Karenas]

I already wrote ... Vanga’s words about the war in 2016 were announced to us from Moscow in 2015 at least once a quarter ... So wait ...
I would personally understand you if I knew that you were set the task before hour X in the 2024th to spread about love between Russia and Turkey ... gee-gee-gee

[Seal]

The only thing that is more or less adequate in this comment is "gee-gee-gee". Everything else .... guess yourself?

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

I solder, apparently, badly, transistors have deteriorated

Not you alone. This, thank God, is apparently a national feature.
In October 1977, 8 months after the terrorist attack in the Moscow metro, at the Kursk station of the capital, police found a bag with a failed explosive device. The bag also contained a blue sports jacket with an Olympic patch from Yerevan and a cap with ear flaps, and in it a few black hair.
More interesting.
https://www.drive2.ru/b/110741/

The series of these switching power supplies produced at the Yerevan Radio Plant has a poor reputation. At the sight of “Armenian electrolytes K50-6” people start to hiccup and change their handfuls in the equipment.

And take advantage of how you have already done so many times. Information from memory. I read an interview or memoirs, it seems your famous computer technician B. Babayan (it seems to him or him like authority). In short, Babayan or another authority decided to establish the production of some kind of radio products at the Yerevan factory. Then, dejected by the mass of complaints, he himself went to the factory to check how the assembly was going. And he just went nuts when he saw that they picked up some of the village guys who simply stuffed the wires into the cases of either the radios or some other devices. They did not solder them. And not even twisted. They simply stuffed the wires into the cases and screwed the cover.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Not you alone. This, thank God, is apparently a national feature.

Well, I’m saying that it’s not only in Khazar Primakov that I can consider you to be not Russian ... I can also answer in the same style, generalized ... For example, Tovmasyan told me either the bike or the past ... That at your radio plants on Thursdays half of the lamps were defective ... Inspection allegedly showed that after the break the workers had fat fingers from a roach ... the fish day was then Thursday ... :) :) :) :)

But in front of my sidekick, repairing drives at facilities, more than one self-confident Soviet general capitulated when he set his condition for payment in cash and the price taken from the ceiling :)

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

Are you sure?

I am sure. I read it in its entirety. Are you from A.S. Have you read Pushkin? Only from A.S. Pushkin himself, and not from your websites, which vying with each other say that A.S. Pushkin spoke very well about the Armenians.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

that in that work, Pushkin cited such words to present as an enemy ... We, too, when we want to designate someone as an enemy, we often say "you are a Turk"

You are an hour A.S. Pushkin with M.Yu. Do not confuse Lermontov now?

[Karenas]

No, I don’t confuse.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

"The Germans rejected at home ...", in my opinion, betrays a Germanophobe in him ...

No. In fact, Griboedov, like Yermolov, for example, having nothing against the Germans in Germany, expresses dissatisfaction with the dominance of the Germans in our army and state institutions.

Quote: Karenas

"All these Sergeevs ..." and further in the sentence betray an Armenophobe in it, and there are many more

Same. I believe that Griboedov, again like Yermolov, simply gives his characterization to swindlers-swindlers, sorry, one of your nationality, hiding behind purely Russian surnames.
At Ermolov we read:

With Armenian Ivanov his secretary arrived (Murza Agmed), having a thousand pieces of gold for gifts on the first occasion, in my office, but Ivanov was instructed, if necessary, in the name of his large sums. I ordered the thousand policemen and the commandant to take the money to the treasury, and instead of answering the letters of Mustafa Khan delivered to me through three purported officials, I ordered the commander in Cuba, Major General Baron Wrede, to send two battalions of infantry and artillery with forced march to Shirvan, and the troops of Donskoy, Major General Vlasov of the 3rd, with 800 Cossack men, hastily sent there in order to take the funds to escape and, if possible, to capture Mustafa Khan. He was aware of the movement of troops, but the Cossacks walked with such speed that he barely had time to cross the Kura River when they appeared on the shore. One of the Beks, who had enmity at him, gathered people, caught up with part of his packs at the crossing and repulsed several of them. Mustafa shot him from across the river.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

No. In fact, Griboedov, like Yermolov, for example, having nothing against the Germans in Germany, expresses dissatisfaction with the dominance of the Germans in our army and state institutions.

At the very beginning, I emphasized that Griboedov spoke about the Germans in part of the colonists in those parts ... Yevlakh and so on, and not about the capital ...

There is no need to write about one point about Ermolov and Griboedov ... Ermolov was the most ardent admirer of Madatov ...
I said - according to Griboedov there are a lot of things in the archives, we can easily see the Armenianophobe in him ...

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

those. show the Russian base to the exit, etc. Now look at the map again and say: if Georgia and Armenia are "aimed at NATO," and Turkey is a member, where will Azerbaijan be "aimed"?

Yes, already 25 times I have said and say. Georgia and Armenia "- to NATO, Turkey and Azerbaijan (and possibly Iran) - to the CSTO. And everyone is happy.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Yes, already 25 times I have said and say. Georgia and Armenia "- to NATO, Turkey and Azerbaijan (and possibly Iran) - to the CSTO. And everyone is happy.

I hope there will be a boot of a Chinese soldier opposing pan-Turkism ...
Then it will be possible to recall the words of Vano Siradeghyan ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

I hope there will be a boot of a Chinese soldier opposing pan-Turkism ...

these cowards would be able to put their boot on neighboring countries before dreaming of a boot far from its borders.

[Karenas]

Uigurs there is the same opinion? I think not ... I watched somehow how the Chinese tightly stopped the creeps of the Turks :)

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

Uigurs there is the same opinion? I think not ... I watched somehow how the Chinese tightly stopped the creeps of the Turks :)

The Uigurs were part of the Chinese. It was one thing to do inside the country, another outside. And the Türks of the Chinese drove at all times, as in principle, and everyone else around. China then digested them inside, but not outside.

[Karenas]

Quote: Yeraz

And the Türks of the Chinese drove at all times, as in principle, and everyone else around.

The Turks drove until 1555, when the Chinese decided to counteract this ... And the Japanese today cannot resist the Chinese boot without the Yankees.
And yes, Uigurs from the Chinese receive thousands of kilometers ... in Syria ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

The Turks drove until 1555, when the Chinese decided to counteract this ... And the Japanese today cannot resist the Chinese boot without the Yankees.

they can very well. China, too, has concentrated on the main population and the economy and will get less. If necessary, Japan can dramatically increase its military spending. And China, unlike Japan, has a lot of countries around the perimeter with which it has a conflict. Japan has only China .

Quote: Karenas

And yes, Uigurs from the Chinese receive thousands of kilometers ... in Syria ...

Yes, yes, something in Idlib and in other northern regions is not particularly spotted by Chinese special forces, maybe 1-2 raids and that was all.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Yes, already 25 times I have said and say. Georgia and Armenia "- to NATO, Turkey and Azerbaijan (and possibly Iran) - to the CSTO. And everyone is happy.

Slid into wet dreams again ... sorry. And I thought your logical thinking woke up.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

If Israel considers Iran its main enemy, this does not mean that all of Europe also thinks so, and even everything in the United States.

Not everyone in the USA. But it is the Israeli lobby that is the most powerful in the US Congress. And he’s not going to give up his positions.

Quote: Brut

The nuclear deal is a confirmation of this, which was signed by both Europeans and Americans.

The Americans signed because the US was led by an atypical Negro president. Who was more sympathetic to the Arabs than to the Jews. The Jewish lobby will not let the second "Obama" run for the US presidency anymore. Don't believe me - ask Karenas.

Quote: Brut

And this clown (Trump), who came out of the deal, is just a temporary snag, he only has a little more than a year. He cannot even carry out the budget of his country.

Many US presidents could not pass the budget. Trump is far from the first and not the last. Well, what about the one who is temporary, as they say "wait and see."

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

The Jewish lobby will not let the second "Obama" run for the US presidency anymore. Don't believe me - ask Karenas.

Remember Condoleezza? So she was a student of Albright ... There is no wrong "rat", as your artist Glazyev designated it ... And her father ... Jews :)

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Not everyone in the USA. But it is the Israeli lobby that is the most powerful in the US Congress. And he’s not going to give up his positions.

The most powerful lobby in the congress is not Israeli, but American.

Quote: Seal

The Americans signed because the US was led by an atypical Negro president. Who was more sympathetic to the Arabs than to the Jews. The Jewish lobby will not let the second "Obama" run for the US presidency anymore.

The president's sympathy for US foreign policy is a very relative argument. If Congress, which has a powerful Jewish lobby, did not want this deal, they would freeze to hell. And Obama's sympathy would not have helped, as Trump's “sympathy” is now.
And further. The president is not elected by the congress.

And again: the Jews are not omnipotent, they are ordinary people.

Quote: Seal

The budget could not hold many US presidents.

And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work?

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

No, I don’t confuse.

Don't you confuse? It's a pity !!! In that case, I can say that you disappointed me once again. For if you do not confuse with Lermontov, who really has poems on the topic of battles (Borodino, Valerik, etc.) in which the image of the enemy is really boring and he is there, and the image of the enemy M.Yu. Lermontov does not make derogatory, then I can assume that you are trying to assure that the term "Armenian" reflects the image of the enemy in the poem "Tazit" by Alexander Pushkin, right?
Alas, it does not display. Tazit's poem is not a verse describing a battle, like M.Yu. Lermontov's. The poem "Tazit" reflects the psychological trauma of an old Chechen mountaineer. In describing psychological trauma, the image of the enemy is not needed. And even in relation to his own son. Building his derogatory line "old woman, coward, slave, Armenian" A.S. Pushkin described the entire degree of his son's fall in the eyes of his father. From a more or less neutral "old woman", through a coward and a slave to the "Armenian". Which, according to A.S. Pushkin, is the quintessence of the first three epithets.
You see, A.S. Pushkin is, as they say, "Our everything." But at the same time, this "Our Everything", both in the reviews of contemporaries and in his poems, which we can see today, was quite sarcastic, especially in describing those he did not like. This is evidenced by the mass of epigrams for which A.S. Pushkin was even called to a duel.
So, no matter how offended you may be, this poem contains a derogatory series of everything. From neutral to the very bottom. Well, remember, as in that joke about Petechka (in fact, not about Petechka, but given the political situation, let it be "Petechka").
Petechka's parents come to school. They are told that all our children are divided into groups depending on their intelligence and behavior, and so that different groups do not interfere with each other, they all study on different floors. Well, they are taking Petechka's parents to school. They see the first floor and the inscription "The smartest children". Petechka's parents ask "We are here"? No, the teachers answer, you are higher. On the second floor there is an inscription "Clever children". Petechka's parents ask "We are here"? No, the teachers answer, you are higher. On the third floor there is an inscription "Middle children". And so on, "Stupid Children"; "Very stupid children" and finally the inscription "Petechka" on the top floor. Well, basically it's the same in this poem.

[Karenas]

I agree on one thing - to the very bottom, which is designated - as an enemy ... I repeat ... When we want to designate someone as an enemy, we say in his eyes "you are a Turk", that is, a foe.
You were reading my correspondence with the "common-blood" ... Pushkin unambiguously designated it as a foe ... In his papers he wrote that at the beginning he thought to write "Georgian" there, clearly - just as a foe ... Georgians somehow had statehood and could fight ... I will repeat for the last time ... The Lebled song of Pan-Turkism in those days can definitely be considered the campaign of the army of Giray and Caucasians in 1721/22 to Isfahan, then the Armenian lands (I still wonder how the Armenians of Syunik withstood that onslaught) and further on the Georgians ... So, the Georgian king then decided to retaliate by marching against the highlanders, but the Persian Shah forbade him, he needed the Georgians against the Afghans (I emphasize once again that in the Persian cavalry only Georgians had the right to fight while standing) ... It did not prevent the Georgians (there and the Armenians, of course, in their army were) with a Russian detachment of 10000 soldiers punished the highlanders a couple of years after the ruin of the Daudites ...
So, I say with confidence that Pushkin there meant the enemy, showing nationality ...
_____
By the way, in Matenadaran I didn’t ask about the oldest manuscript ... you know yourself that you had to rewrite many manuscripts, and then one of the scribes could add words like a candelabra :)

[Seal]

Pushkin unambiguously designated it as a foe ... In his papers he wrote that at the beginning he thought to write "Georgian" there, but clearly - just as a foe

This is just what you want.
And A.S. Pushkin did not write anywhere in the papers, something like:
- at first I wanted to write "Georgian";
- at first I wanted to write "Christian"
In short, A.S. Pushkin does not have anything similar from what is written on your sites regarding this poem.
Just look at the size of the lines of the verse. Neither "Georgian" nor "Christian" can fit into a line of verse. And only "Armenian".
And there’s just a derogatory series.
Tazit Gasubu is not an enemy. He is his son. Yes, the father was cruelly disappointed in his son. But even from this, his son did not become his enemy. And even more so, as you write, virulence. The father ascertains the entire depth of the moral fall of his son (well, according to Chechen concepts in the view of A.S. Pushkin), after which the father curses and expels the son. Tormented, but expelled.

Damn me! go - to hear
No one about timid had
So that you forever wait for a formidable meeting,
So the dead brother is on your shoulders
Bloodied cat sat down
And drove you mercilessly to the abyss
So that you are like a wounded deer
He ran, yearning for joylessly,
So that the children of Russian villages
You got caught with a rope
And like a little wolf cub
So that you ... Run ... run quickly
Do not defile my eyes!

He said and lay down on earth - and eyes
Closed And so he lay until night.
When he got up,
Already in the blue sky
The moon, shining, ascended
And the cliffs of the peak of silver.
He called Tazita three times,
No one answered him ...


Is this how actions are described in relation to the "enemy"?

[Karenas]

No wonder - father still ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Ermolov was the most ardent admirer of Madatov ...

Well, of course you exaggerate. A boss cannot be an ardent admirer of a subordinate. Well, with the exception that the subordinate is a famous poetwriter, like A.S. Pushkin or a writer or artist, etc.
But I am pleased to admit that Ermolov highly appreciated Madatov and recognized his merits.
However, let's see who exactly Yermolov appreciated? Did Ermolov appreciate Madatov as an Armenian? No no and one more time no. Did Ermolov, in his "Notes on the Governance of Georgia", at least once make even the slightest hint in relation to Madatov that he is an Armenian? No no and one more time no. Nothing like what, for example, Lenin said about Stalin "We have one hourgeorgian sat down and wrote a long article for "Enlightenment", collecting all Austrian and other materials ", Ermolov did not speak or write about Madatov. Madatov was a Russian general for him. Let me remind you that in Yermolov's time everyone who was Orthodox and served in Russia , and especially in the Russian army - we were our days, Russians. Well, like, for example, Bagration. And Madatov, in his youth, switched from Gregorianism to Orthodoxy, married a Russian according to the Orthodox rite, never mentioned his "Armenianship." and for Yermolov, who himself was a descendant of Araslan-Murza-Yermol, and for all other Russian officers and generals, Orthodox Madatov was Russian.
You can search from Ermolov or from one of our officers and generals who described those times, does anyone even have the slightest hint that Madatov is an Armenian? I personally have not found.
But, unfortunately, you and your compatriots do not have a very good habit of returning to Armenia, so to speak posthumously, those who in life counted and sometimes called (A.S. Khudyakov) exclusively Russian.
Personally for me - so these your manipulations do not color you.

[Karenas]

I repeat, showing, for what reason Madatov converted to Orthodoxy?

[Seal]

The main thing is not a reason. And the fact of adoption.
Well, and how, at least the slightest hint that Ermolov considered Madatov an Armenian was found?

[Karenas]

As regards Paskevich, he unequivocally spoke about the nationality ... "Count of Erichon" ... So everything is clear about Madatov's nationality ... Starting from the words of the Emperor about this ...

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

And again: the Jews are not omnipotent, they are ordinary people.

Again. Ask Karenas.
[quote = Brut And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work? [/ quote]
There were American presidents who went to McDonald's even when the White House kitchen worked. And not only we went, but our Medvedev was taken there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KR4S4ge114

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

And not only we went, but our Medvedev was taken there.

I would be surprised if the Jew Medvedev was not brought there ... after all, derivatives of circumcision are added to food from McDonald's ...

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

sorry. And I thought your logical thinking woke up.

The term "sorry" or "I'm sorry for you" is well understood on Lukmorye. You can view.
About the logic. I then studied the logic. And you ? I doubt it. Showing on fingers. You calmly acknowledge that Georgia is ready to join NATO. And how is Georgia different from Armenia?

Georgia is a Christian country. Armenia is a Christian country. Moreover, Georgia is even an Orthodox country. Although against the background of no less Orthodox Romania and Greece, which have long been in NATO, there is nothing unusual here.

Georgia, as they say, was "liberated" by our troops from under the Persian (eastern Georgia) and Turkish (western Georgia) yoke.
Armenia, as they say, was "liberated" by our troops from under the Persian yoke.

Georgia became part of the USSR thanks to our 11th Army.
Armenia became part of the USSR thanks to our 11th Army.

Georgia refused to hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on its territory.
Armenia refused to hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on its territory.

Georgia borders with Muslim countries Turkey and Azerbaijan
Armenia borders with Muslim countries Turkey and Azerbaijan

And dozens of exactly the same thing in common. Both historically general and modern general.

So why do you calmly admit that Georgia can join NATO and consider the illogical accession of Armenia to NATO? Logic where ???

[Karenas]

Ali Turk is right - we don’t do FIGs in NATO ... And yet ... NATO-this is only the United States with its kagal ...
We need a Chinese and Indian boot with the Afghans ... the Persians have a lot of work to return the Afghans from Turkic captivity.
I don’t expect anything good with Pashinyan slugs ...
____
I am sure that if Vazgen Sargsyan had been alive on 08.08.08, he would have intervened in your war and created some kind of "East Georgian Republic" connecting the Russian Federation with the RA ... I remember once during the war of 90 x Georgia began to obstruct us in delivering weapons from the Russian Federation ... So Vazgen got into his car and drove to Georgia ..
It’s clear what he said there ...

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

About the logic. I then studied the logic.

Logic / logical thinking is not necessary to study it is necessary to have. She is like that - either there or not.

I'm writing to you:

Quote: Brut

And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the kitchen of the white house does not work?

and you answer me:

Quote: Seal

There were American presidents who went to McDonald’s even then, when the White House kitchen worked. And not only we went, but our Medvedev was taken there.

lost the thread of the story? I will remind you. The bottom line was that the president of the country (Trump) was in a humiliating state - he was forced to order fast food because the kitchen was not working, and not because he so wanted. Putin, too, once again got in the wheel and drove someone there, but this does not mean that his driver did not go to work. Do you understand the difference? And talk about logic.

Quote: Seal

Showing on fingers. You calmly acknowledge that Georgia is ready to join NATO. And how is Georgia different from Armenia?

No fingers, just a head. Reread what you wrote:

Quote: Seal

Yes, already 25 times I have said and say. Georgia and Armenia "- into NATO, Turkey and Azerbaijan (and possibly Iran) - in the CSTO. And everyone is happy.

think carefully. I have highlighted in bold for you what I consider illogical.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

For example, Tovmasyan told me either a bike or a fairy tale ... That on your radio plants on Thursdays half of the lamps were defective ... The check allegedly showed that after the break the workers had fat fingers from a roach ... there was a fish day then Thursday ... :) :) :)

Stupidity. Have you ever seen the roach? Where is the fat ???
And if you don’t remember, I’ll remind you that Thursday was different from other days, because on Thursday in the canteens for the first there must be, if not ear, fish soup, and the fish should be in the dish for the second. But roach is not intended for soup, nor for its use as the main ingredient of the second dish.
The working class consumed vobla (and ram, etc.) with beer. Knocking it on the edge of tables. And that this beer day was exactly Thursday - the working class was least worried.
It doesn’t matter to you according to the knowledge of the USSR.

[Karenas]

And if the "vobla has just been caught"?
Could have been oily fish for dinner, after all ...
I can’t remember whether I saw you or they told me that there was a fish for meat in the borsch, and this is in a restaurant ...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

... When we want to designate someone as an enemy, we say to him in the eyes "you are a Turk", that is, a foe.

By the way, how long has it started with you?

[Karenas]

For a long time. All my life I know about this.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

We have nothing to do with NATO..

That's one thing. Not relevant to the issue at hand.
Since the question is being considered why the Turk Ali calmly accepts the possibility of Georgia joining NATO and rejects this opportunity for Armenia.

[Karenas]

So Ali correctly noted that it only makes sense if the United States takes full pay... And they are working in this direction, including luring the Armenians of the Russian Federation to themselves... But for us this is very dangerous because Kagalovites in US power...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Seal

why the Turk Ali calmly accepts the possibility of Georgia joining NATO and rejects this possibility for Armenia.

Since Georgia has no conflicts with Turkey, the border is open and there is friendship. Georgia, unlike Armenia, has EXIT TO THE SEA. Therefore, Armenia can never become Israel, since, unlike Israel, it has worse geographical indicators and communication with the world and NATO can shine for it only if it is fully maintained in every sense by the West. But because of these poor indicators, it will not be valuable for the West to take it for maintenance. A complete dead end for it.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

No wonder - father still ...

Well, you see. So it’s still not an enemy. And the son.
And most importantly. This poem must be considered in the general context of A.S. Pushkin’s attitude towards the Armenians.
Your Turk Ali strongly doubts that A.S. Pushkin’s attitude towards the Armenians is, let’s say, “not very good.”
And he even asked me if I had read all of Pushkin. After my answer that “I read everything,” he fell silent for now about something on this topic.
So here it is. In light of how A.S. Pushkin describes the Armenians in his poetry and prose, there is no doubt that Tazit’s poem contains a derogatory row.

[Karenas]

Do you not allow dualism? Or maybe... That is, in one way as an enemy, in the other as a son...

[Karenas]

Turk Ali - here he is with the nickname yeraz...
They overlooked, Sergei Petrovich, a Turk with his own adequate opinion...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

So, the Georgian king

Where could a “Georgian king” come from in 1721 if there was no state of Georgia?

Quote: Karenas

By the way, in the Matenadaran I didn’t ask about the oldest manuscript... after all, you yourself know that many manuscripts were forced to be copied, and then one of the copyists could have added words like candelabra :)

They didn’t ask, they didn’t recognize the phone number... and this has been the case for three years now. Or just the second one?
And further. By writing this many manuscripts were forced to be rewritten I hope you don’t want to say that “the copied manuscripts were necessarily destroyed, so there is nothing truly ancient in the Matenadaran”?

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Where could a “Georgian king” come from in 1721 if there was no state of Georgia?

There was Kakheti or Imereti, I don’t remember absolutely... But the fact that the Persian Shah forbade Vakhtang to make a humiliating campaign against the mountaineers stuck in my memory for decades...
____
How many centuries will a manuscript survive if, for example, it is written on treated cattle skin? They'll throw it away...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

The Emperor himself hotel give us separation from the Republic of Ingushetia.

Are you trying to pretend to be a psychic again?
Can you confirm with something real and textured"wanting"?

[Karenas]

What I wrote is something I read about a hundred years ago... how can I remember where?

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

And if the "vobla has just been caught"?

Where did you catch it? In the pond near the factory canteen? Roach is not found in ponds. Our people, Russian people, at least, consume this fish exclusively in dried form. Therefore, it is immediately dried at the place where it was caught.

[Karenas]

It was a quote from the movie "Beware of the Car"

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

It was a quote from the movie "Beware of the Car"

It was you who smoothly slipped away from the topic that you began to talk about so confidently.
I don’t want to say that factories during the USSR, located in the RSFSR or BSSR, worked completely without defects. But with your connections, it won’t be difficult for you to find some former employee of the former GosSnab and ask him the question: “Funds for the industrial products of which Soviet republic had to be imposed as a burden.”
I personally remember that when I saw two cars in the backyard of a bus depot, through which grass was already growing, and asked what this was, the director of the park answered me that they were “ERAZs.” He says, “We didn’t even launch them. We received them in the form of a makeweight on RAFiki.”

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

that these are "ERAZ". He says, “We didn’t even launch them. We received them in the form of a makeweight on RAFiki.”

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

For a long time. All my life I know about this.

I didn’t mean you personally, but your people. After all, before the half-Armenian Abdul Hamid II ascended the Ottoman throne, you and the Ottomans were best friends. 500 (Five hundred) years.

[Karenas]

Among the Turks this began after your war of 1828. Bloomed during the day... No surprise...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

They overlooked, Sergei Petrovich, a Turk with his own adequate opinion..

Yes ? So you inserted yourself into my discussion with Brut (Artak) by starting your comment with “Ali”.

[Karenas]

Well, since they knew the username Brut, then they acted like a Jew :)

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Do you not allow dualism? Or maybe... That is, in one way as an enemy, in the other as a son...

For such a small poem this is too much. In my opinion. Although there may be something to your question. After all, our A.S. Pushkin is like the Universe. No matter how much you study, you still won’t learn everything.
But nevertheless, I draw your attention once again to the following. Analysis of this poem must be done in the context of a deeper topic. Well, let's call it "Armenians in the works of A.S. Pushkin." To begin with, I suggest you figure out whether they are positive or negative characters in the works of A.S. Pushkin.

[Karenas]

There is no point... Everyone will remain to their own...
As in the case of Griboyedov... I showed that in 1818 he knew nothing about the behind the scenes...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

There was Kakheti or Imereti, I don’t remember absolutely....

So I'm talking about the same thing.
The term "Georgia" on maps of that and earlier times, as well as the term "Armenia" are simply geographical, not political terms.
The map says Georgia, but there are no states "Georgia". Even a vassal. There are vassal state formations "Imereti"; "Kartli"; "Kakheti".
And under the inscription on the maps “Armenia” there are not even vassal states.

Quote: Karenas

How many centuries will a manuscript survive if, for example, it is written on treated cattle skin? They'll throw it away...

Fine. The British lasted 600 years. After which, in the last century, the British conducted a revision of them and were horrified - all their “ancient acts” written on parchment turned out to be unreadable.
But historians claim that ancient Egyptian papyri have reached our time"???
Moreover, according to these same historians, papyrus, as a material for writing, was widespread in the Mediterranean countries. But not a single authentic line on papyrus from “Ancient Ancient Greece”, “Ancient Ancient Rome”, “Ancient Great Armenia” has reached our time. Question ? Question !!!

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

And under the inscription on the maps “Armenia” there are not even vassal states.

Nothing surprising... It could have been worse... They say that once in Rome they gave the order to their greyhound writers to write about Armenia only in a derogatory manner... As I understand it, the rest of the world laughed at them then :)

Quote: Seal

Mediterranean countries. But not a single authentic line on papyrus from “Ancient Ancient Greece”, “Ancient Ancient Rome”, “Ancient Great Armenia” has reached our time. Question ? Question !!!

Well, other inscriptions remain... They say that on the walls of ancient Tigranakert (one of the four, the one that we liberated in the war of the 90s) there are inscriptions in Greek.
After all, it will be interesting to find out what is written there, have you tried to find out?

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

What I wrote is something I read about a hundred years ago... how can I remember where?

Well, yes. And this is probably the 25th time you’ve answered me, right? "I do not remember"; “I can find out, but later,” etc. and so on. - these are your typical responses to requests for an invoice.
Well, how can I communicate with you when, roughly speaking, you are not responsible for your market?
And you call others Jews :))

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Starting from the Emperor's words on this matter...

For what reason and from what words starting?

[Karenas]

We repeat ourselves... I spoke about this a long time ago, and you voiced your opinion then... This is when the Emperor wanted to assign him a general...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Well, since they knew the username Brut, then they acted like a Jew :)

Well, here I apologize. I thought you just called someone Ali, like 99% of your compatriots on the Internet usually do.
And here, in fact, his nickname is very, very pale, and Ali is standing next to his nickname.
Well, the monkey's eyes have become weak in old age, what can you do :((

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

There is no point... Everyone will remain to their own...

How can one remain “to one’s own” if in the works of A.S. Pushkin his not very good attitude towards the Armenians is quite clearly expressed. By the way, where is Brutus (not Ali), who thinks completely differently? Ah, apparently A.S. is also sitting there. Reading Pushkin. The first time, perhaps. And he's probably tearing out his own hair.

[Karenas]

In Pushkin’s works, one can consider a bad opinion of all non-Russian peoples...
Specifically in our case - I repeat, he exposes the Armenians as the enemy of the highlander...
Specifically among the Chechens: they still have words about beautiful Ossetians, horses from Georgians and bad words about the Turks neighboring them... I heard, so to speak, first-hand, that is, from the Chechens...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Karenas

Specifically among the Chechens: they still have words about beautiful Ossetians, horses from Georgians and bad words about the Turks neighboring them... I heard, so to speak, first-hand, that is, from the Chechens...

where did you hear)) I just watched a video on YouTube with Chechen militants.
They lived side by side with the Kumyks and only had positive reviews about them.

[Karenas]

Ali, I’m telling the truth... When I lived with Chechens in the same hotel room for a couple of weeks...

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

How can one remain “to one’s own” if in the works of A.S. Pushkin his not very good attitude towards the Armenians is quite clearly expressed. By the way, where is Brutus (not Ali), who thinks completely differently? Ah, apparently A.S. is also sitting there. Reading Pushkin. The first time, perhaps. And he's probably tearing out his own hair.

Son

The killer was
Alone, wounded, unarmed....

Father

You haven't forgotten your blood debt!..
You knocked over the enemy,
Is not it? you took out your saber,
You stuck steel in his throat
And quietly turned three times,
You got drunk on his moaning,
His snake breath...
Where is the head?.. give me... no strength...
In his work, Pushkin calls the Circassian an Armenian, who in a particularly cruel way didn't kill a wounded, unarmed man.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

They say that once in Rome they gave the order to their greyhound writers to write about Armenia only in a derogatory declination... As I understand it, the rest of the world laughed at them then :)

My standard question. Is there any confirmation of this? Only genuine, and not the opinion of a historian of the 16th or 17th century AD.
By the way, even in your fantastic sentence of logic - the cat cried.
Who is the "rest of the world"? Germanic tribes? So they couldn't read. And if anyone knew how, he had no idea what Armenians were. And there were no newspapers in those days. How will it even be known in the next house what the borzopist Vooon is writing in that next house?

Well, other inscriptions remain... They say that on the walls of ancient Tigranakert (one of the four, the one that we liberated in the war of the 90s) there are inscriptions in Greek.
After all, it will be interesting to find out what is written there, have you tried to find out?

What's the point? Firstly, the fact that something of what you “liberated” is the ancient Tigranocerta is a pure convention. Since the existence of the “ancient Tigranocerta” itself has not been proven.
And the main thing is that modern science has not yet learned to date the carvings on the stone. That is, to say when the inscription was made on the stone, 300 years ago, 200 years ago, 1000 years ago, 500 years ago, 200 years ago, 100 years ago - modern science still cannot. No, of course, there are all sorts of dreamers who “know for sure” that the inscriptions on the stone, say, are exactly 2044 and 4 months. But these are just dreamers. Even with degrees in history.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Who is the "rest of the world"? Germanic tribes? So they couldn't read. And if anyone knew how, he had no idea what Armenians were.

I didn’t think about barbarians of the German type at all... By the rest of the world we can easily consider the Persian Empire and the rest of the civilized world that existed then...
Regarding Tigranakert... To those who have doubts, I can ask only one question: “Why is there an inscription in Greek there?”

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

Among the Turks this began after your war of 1828.

In 1828, 99% of Armenians living in the territory of the Ottoman Empire did not have any problems. Problems arose among a small number of Armenians living in the front line. And even those ended with the end of the war. Well, except for cases of personal, often blood, revenge.
There have always been problems for those living in the front line, and even more so for those whose territory is temporarily captured by the enemy, there are now and probably always will be. And the Turks are no different here. This is a worldwide trend.

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

This is when the Emperor wanted to assign him a general...

Which emperor and to whom did he want to assign the rank of general?
Please don’t take it for granted, please repeat.

[Karenas]

You yourself know which Emperor of the Republic of Ingushetia awarded Madatov the military rank of general...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

You yourself know which Emperor of the Republic of Ingushetia awarded Madatov the military rank of general..

Madatov? Judging by the time, it was appropriated by Alexander the First Blessed.
But according to your “reliable” sources, what did he say?

[Karenas]

I don’t want to repeat myself, sorry... I already said it... This is when Madatov was ahead of the emperor in surprises for each other...

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

To those who have doubts, I can only ask one question: “Why is there an inscription in Greek there?”

Well, apparently because, according to the official version of history, a certain Byzantine Emperor Justinian carried out simply gigantic construction throughout the Empire. And the territory of present-day Armenia was part of the Justinian Empire. In what language were the Byzantines of the 6th century AD supposed to write inscriptions? In Ethiopian?
Well, if there is something written in Greek about Armenians, then search for “Georgian churches make inscriptions and turn them into Armenian ones.” Or just read the works of the Georgian academician G.N. Chubinashvili. He explains well there where various inscriptions containing information that this is something Armenian come from.

[Karenas]

In our history books they write that the Romans began to build a system of garrisons on the borders to counteract the raids of the highlanders. This is when they previously destroyed our fortresses (they entrusted the destruction of our cities to the Georgians and plans).

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

Or just read the works of the Georgian academician G.N. Chubinashvili.

What someone from Georgia with a last name starting with “shvili” can write will be 99% known in advance...
I read the most Armenian-phobic Georgian, Ilya Chavchavadze (who, by the way, has an Armenian mother): “The misfortunes of Ancient Georgia began from that ill-fated day when Armenia fell.”

[Seal]

Quote: Karenas

In our history books they write

In Azerbaijani history textbooks they write....
In Georgian history textbooks they write...
You seem to be an older, middle-aged person. It’s time to grow beyond the level of school and even college history textbooks.

[Karenas]

Quote: Seal

and even institute history textbooks.

At the institute we were taught only the history of the CPSU, which I didn’t care about even then...

[Seal]

Well, here you go. From the website of your Matenadaran.

3.1.3. Paper
Paper was introduced early into Armenian manuscript production. The oldest example dates to 981, a religious miscellany, entirely of paper (MS Yerevan, Matenadaran, 2679; Album 2002, nos. 10–11, 138–141);
Comparative Oriental Manuscript Studies: An Introduction
COMSt 2015 ISBN (Hardcover) 978-3-7323-1768-4
118 Chapter 1. Codicology
it is one of the smallest, 280 x 190 mm, among tenth-century codices. Nevertheless, the precocious date of 981 is followed by a succession of dated paper codices of 1113, 1118, 1137, 1155, 1166, 1167, 1169, with twelve more up to the end of the twelfth century in a random sampling of dated examples from catalogues.
Twenty-three are found in the same list from the next fifty years and seventy-seven from 1250–1300. They are from every region of Greater Armenia, from Cilicia to the Georgian border, from Erzinjan to Edessa and Adana. Paper was used to copy Gospel texts from the eleventh century (MS Yerevan, Matenadaran, 6975, dated by style) and specifically 1113 (MS Yerevan, Matenadaran, 6763, Gospels from Drazark in Cilicia), with four more dated examples to 1200. It is generally assumed that parchment was reserved for Gospel manuscripts; in fact, even before paper replaced parchment as the most used support in the late thirteenth century (Kouymjian 2012a, 19 Table 1), paper was commonly employed for Gospels, ten recorded from 1201–1278, but fifteen for the last two decades of the century. The first Bible written on paper, incomplete, was in 1214 (Jerusalem, Armenian Patriarchate, 417); in all there are at least six Bible manuscripts, three complete including the lavishly decorated and illustrated Erzinjan Bible of 1269 (MS Jerusalem, Armenian Patriarchate, 1925), from the thirteenth century, by the last quarter of which, 80% of Armenian codices were of paper. From about 1400 on, paper was the exclusive medium for manuscripts; the rare exceptions were for Gospels or Bibles.

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that these are "ERAZ". He says, “We didn’t even launch them. We received them in the form of a makeweight on RAFiki.”

And what would that mean? Well, I mean, where is the comment?

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that these are "ERAZ". He says, “We didn’t even launch them. We received them in the form of a makeweight on RAFiki.”

And what would that mean? Well, I mean, where is the comment?

Yes, for some reason my comment disappeared...
Do you think that the Armenian SSR had the right to independently develop and produce ErAZ cars??? What was prescribed to us was produced... At first it was planned in the form of UAZs, but then someone decided to sell illiquid assets here...
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As for other types of products from the Armenian SSR... I saw with my own eyes at a friend’s house the products he created for himself with parts made of pure gold... He worked for space, and they were forbidden to use gold-plated wires - they were only allowed to use pure gold. ..

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I don’t want to repeat myself, sorry... I already said it... This is when Madatov was ahead of the emperor in surprises for each other...

It looks like you are either confused again, or have remembered that last time you didn’t prove anything and are now trying, as is your custom, to smoothly slide off the topic.
Well, yes, God be with you. Not the first time. It’s already familiar.

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Sergei Petrovich, the emperor’s words are probably on the Internet... look for it yourself... I, of course, read it in books

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Specifically in our case - I repeat, he exposes the Armenians as the enemy of the highlander...

I'll repeat it again. This is purely your fantasy. Neither according to the style and concept of the poem, nor based on the entire work of A.S. Pushkin, nor based on the real history of relations between Armenians and Chechens, your fantastic version does not work.
Do you want clarification? Please. To begin with, tell me, who in public opinion of the first half of the 19th century can and should stand below the level of a slave?

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Please. To begin with, tell me, who in public opinion of the first half of the 19th century can and should stand below the level of a slave?

I repeat... There Pushkin shows the indignation of the old highlander... And the limit of indignation is usually towards a traitor towards an enemy...

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I repeat. Let's figure out who in the public opinion of Russia in the first half of the 19th century can and should stand below the level of a slave.

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I repeat. There Pushkin shows the anger of the old highlander.

Our first president’s father forbade him to visit him in the hospital when he was dying... Unfortunately, he was not at the level of Taras Bulba in anger...

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You don’t want to admit who can and should be below the level of a slave. Then I'll tell you myself.
It is a slaver. I hope you will not deny the most active participation of the ancestors of your compatriots in the Black Sea slave trade for at least 7 centuries. The Chechens needed intermediaries and slave traders. Through them they sold us our captives. The poem is dated 1929-1930 and is considered an unfinished poem. This means it was written after A.S. Pushkin visited the Caucasus twice. And then, communicating in Moscow with Ermolov, our poet could receive additional evidence of this “commercial” activity of your compatriots of that time.
There is a scientific work by Shamraya V.S. Historical background to the issue of yasirs in the North Caucasus and the Kuban region. B.m. B.g. P. 6, 7." In which it is written that: "The slave trade, practiced in the region for centuries, caused the emergence of intermediaries in the form of merchants, for whom the slave trade turned into a special trade. In Avaria, some of the slaves were sold to eastern merchants through buyers in Derbent, Tarki, Aksai... According to testimony pre-revolutionary authors, “...This kind of trade the Armenians were intensely engaged, who did not abandon this craft even with the advent of Russians in the Caucasus. Taking advantage of their position, they helped the mountaineers steal people within our borders, receiving appropriate compensation from the mountaineers for this, and then helped the Russian Government in negotiations with the mountaineers about the ransom of the same prisoners - also not without reward, or they ransomed them themselves in order to resell them to the Russians ..." [17, p. 7].
For reference. Vasily Semenovich Shamray (born in 1860, died on May 10, 1920) worked as a clerk in the construction department of the Kuban regional government, rose to the rank of collegiate assessor (1902) and court councilor (1915). He was known as a historian, local historian, member of the Society of Lovers of the Study of the Kuban Region (OLIKO) since 1897, Kuban Regional
Statistical Committee - since 1901, educator, one of the first bibliographers of Kuban.

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Well, how many times do you go around in circles?
I already wrote... The Karaites were engaged in the slave trade... And where has anyone seen Jews sharing with anyone else?

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I already wrote... The Karaites were engaged in the slave trade... And where has anyone seen Jews sharing with anyone else?

Karaite Armenians? This is something new

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Karaite Armenians? This is something new

Will you say that you don’t know that Karaites are Jews? Gorby's wife, it seems, was like that.

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Will you say that you don’t know that Karaites are Jews?

Then what do the Karaites have to do with it, if it is clearly written in historical documents that they are Armenians?
No, perhaps the Karaites traded too. Along with the Armenians. Our prisoners.

We read the embassy documents cited by A.A. Novoselsky in his work: "The struggle of the Moscow state with the Tatars in the first half of the XVII century." M.-L., 1948.S. 208

“On July 10 [1631], the Moscow envoys in Crimea Voeikov and Zverev learned that a Russian full had been brought to Bakhchisarai for sale overseas. The interpreter and clerk brought Andrei Lazarev, a village Cossack from Ryazhsk, to the camp, who said that he was captured by the Tatars (there were 500 Nogais and 80 Crimeans) in Petrovskaya Sloboda; all full – 75 people; Of this number, the Crimeans got 25 people. Five people were chosen as “head duties” for the tsar: a boyar’s son, two stanitsa Cossacks and two wives. They were brought to Bakhchisarai and placed before the king; the king questioned them and chose the ryashenka wife Lyubavka for his yard, and the rest given to Armenians for sale overseas. The envoys immediately sent to speak to the king about this and demanded the return of the full load; their neighbor denied them this: “This never happened before, that I am full of giving for free.” However, the envoys defended A. Lazarev, despite the demand Armenians, and took him with them to Rus'.”

In the text "Tsar" is the Crimean Tsar, in our time called the Crimean Khan.
But it is clearly stated that:
- gave Armenians for sale overseas
- despite the requirement Armenians

That is, the Armenians were engaged in the slave trade in symbiosis with the Crimean Tatars. The distribution of responsibilities, as can be seen from the ambassador's report, was as follows: The Crimean Tatars with their feet captured our people in full, and then the Crimean Tatars, in full, with the exception of those selected for themselves by the Crimean king, were transferred to the Armenians for sale overseas.

Here we consider. Crimeans got 25 people. The king (Crimean Khan) took one (the crib of Lyubavka’s wife) for himself (probably for free). Another one (Cossack Lazarev), our envoys managed to repel and wrest from the hands of the Armenian slave traders.
But the remaining 23 people of our full Armenians were still lucky to sell overseas !!!!

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From notes by the prefect of Caffa, Dominican Emiddio Dotelli D'Ascoli: “Description of the Black Sea and Tatarstan”, 1634 year.

However, traveling to Tana is very difficult due to the numerous shoals located there, which do not allow large ships, much less galleys, to pass through; Moreover, the sea is very narrow and with any storm, even a small one, ships are thrown ashore or run aground. In addition, the Moscow Cossacks watch the ships, guard the passages and, although the owners diligently find out when exactly the Cossacks sailed into the Black Sea, it nevertheless very often happens that the ships involuntarily fall into their hands, being subjected to plunder and slavery; Turks (Tourchi) are killed, Christians are given ransom, unless they themselves bought slaves; in this case they are killed mercilessly, as was the case last year with many Armeniansи. There is no doubt that Tana would have won endlessly if a hole had been dug from there to go to the Volga; in this case, it would be possible to help out a lot of money.

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You could write anything, the paper will bear it...
Let me emphasize two points:
First... I said it a hundred times... The Karaites were engaged in the slave trade, and they would not let anyone into their business...
Second. If the Armenians felt so great with the Turks, they would not have been going around Europe for centuries for patronage, until Israel Ori came to the conclusion that hope should be pinned only on RI...

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Yes, you can shake the air at least twice with your speaking. It is not confirmed by anything (except your personal confidence and desire for it to be so). But in memoirs and documents it is written that they are Armenians.
By the way, our Novgorod 4th Chronicle directly says: “That same autumn, the Horde prince Mamai came with his like-minded people, and with all the other Orda princes, and with all the power of the Tatar and Polovtsian, and also hired the Besermen army, and Armenians, and Fryazi, Cherkasy, and Yasy, and Burtasy."
Don’t you want to ask yourself, why would the Crimean Armenians become mercenaries for Khan Mamai? Did they really need his money? I guess not. The Armenians became mercenaries to Khan Mamai because they were confident in the victory of Khan Mamai. And, accordingly, the fact is that Ham Mamai, and therefore they, will capture a huge full. It was precisely this prey that interested them. But it didn’t work out. Our soldiers massacred you on the Kulikovo Field. Together with the Tatars, Polovtsy, Bessermen and others.

then they would not have walked around Europe for centuries for patronage, until Israel Ori came to the conclusion that hope should be pinned only on RI...

And who told you that before the birth of Israel Ori, the Armenians allegedly went to Europe for centuries seeking protection?

Listen, of course I want to believe that you are 600-700 years old and therefore everything you say, you say because you yourself have seen and heard everything, but we all understand that you are not Methuselah and not Enoch. Therefore your unfounded statements

I've said it a hundred times.

I am sure that the descendants of the Hittites

the price is three kopecks on market day. And only because your unfounded statements give reason to laugh.

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In the works of Pushkin, one can consider a bad opinion of all non-Russian peoples

God be with you.
Remind you how A.S. Pushkin characterized the gypsies?

Then the old man, approaching, said:
“Leave us, proud man!
We are wild; we have no laws
We do not torment, we do not execute -
We don't need blood and groans -
But we don’t want to live with a murderer...
You were not born for the wild lot,
You only want freedom for yourself;
Your voice will be terrible for us:
We are timid and kind at heart,
You are angry and brave - leave us,
Forgive me, may peace be with you."
He said - and to a noisy crowd
A nomadic camp has risen
From the valley of a terrible night.
And soon everything is in the distance of the steppe
Hidden; only one cart
Poorly covered with carpet,
She stood in the fatal field.

In my opinion, he described it very respectfully and positively. The gypsies do not want to live next to the killer.

Are your neighbors Georgians? There's prose here. From letters of A.S. Pushkin.

“Georgia,” he wrote, “resorted to the protection of Russia in 1783... Georgians are a warlike people. They have proven their bravery under our banners".

Well, one can argue with the fact that Georgians are very warlike, but we are not discussing the fighting qualities and belligerence of Georgians, but we are talking about how A.S. Pushkin characterizes them. In my opinion it characterizes it very well.

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This is clear... The Gypsies did not represent a force opposing Russian aggression...
How did Pushkin feel, for example, about the freedom-loving Poles and their leaders? :)

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Where I read about Pushkin’s notes in his notebook, that I initially thought to write “Georgians” - naturally, I don’t remember... I repeat - the idea was intended as an image of the enemy in terms of nationality...
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And in other works, history could have repeated itself with the Roman greyhound painters... This is when your emperor saved Turkey.

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How did Pushkin feel, for example, about the freedom-loving Poles and their leaders? :)

Firstly, you are again slipping away from the question. You stated that A.S. Pushkin has a bad attitude towards all non-Russian peoples. I showed by the example of Roma and Georgians that your version has no basis in reality.
You, having forgotten the main question, jumped specifically to the Poles.
OK. There will be Poles for you too.

“To the slanderers of Russia” Alexander Pushkin

What are you noisy about, folk-like?
Why anathema threaten you Russia?
What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
A question that you will not solve.

For a long time among themselves
These tribes are at war;
More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
Theirs, then our side.
Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
Will it run dry? here is the question.

Leave us: you have not read
These bloody tablets;
It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
This is a family feud;
The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
Pointlessly seduces you
Fights of desperate courage -
And you hate us ...

In my opinion, A.S. Pushkin clearly says that our disputes with the Poles are our family, household matters. Both of our peoples are Slavs. And A.S. Pushkin invites Europe not to interfere in the dispute between the Slavs,
A domestic, old dispute, already weighed by fate, A question that you will not resolve.

Yes, A.S. Pushkin calls the Poles (Polyakhs) arrogant. So what ? Even the Poles themselves admit that “Polish arrogance” is their national character trait.

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I saw with my own eyes at a friend’s house the products he created for himself with details made of pure gold... He worked for space, and they were forbidden to use gold-plated wires - they were only allowed to use pure gold...

Wonderful recognition. Yes, gold is used in a number of devices. What did your friend do? Your friend, working for Cosmos, stole gold from a factory. Or do you want to say that the workers of this plant were paid with gold wire?
And you know what else I’ll say. If the product is without defects, then it is difficult to steal it. But if there are heaps of defective products in which gold is used next to the machines, this is where you can steal.
Will you draw a conclusion yourself or give me some advice?

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I don’t want to put my opinion on your conclusion... ugly words will come out... If not a single complaint about the refusal to work on his developments has been received from Moscow, then the assessment is displayed without prompting... You are far from such workers...


I'm tired of your enmity...
We'll meet in 2024...

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Where I read about Pushkin’s notes in his notebook, that I initially thought to write “Georgians” - naturally, I don’t remember... I repeat - the idea was intended as an image of the enemy in terms of nationality...

You know, it's not even funny anymore. Well, by golly, all these unsupported fantastic versions of yours don’t make you look good. It looks like you have acquired the traits of the very people you criticize so much.

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Do you think that the Armenian SSR had the right to independently develop and produce ErAZ cars??? What was prescribed to us was produced... At first it was planned in the form of UAZs, but then someone decided to sell illiquid assets here...

What kind of "unliquid assets". Was there really some kind of plant in the USSR that produced bodies that no one needed, and therefore they were sent to Armenia, to the Yerevan Automobile Plant?
No. There was no such plant. Everything (well, almost everything) that YERAZ was assembled from was made in Armenia itself.
Armenian leaders really wanted to have their own automobile plant in Armenia. Armenian leaders pushed for the construction of an automobile plant in Armenia. As Armenian researchers write:

For Armenia, its own automobile plant was important not so much from an economic point of view, but for national pride and self-esteem.
During 1965, the first core of the team was created, and 66 people were trained at the Riga and Ulyanovsk automobile industry enterprises. The first production building was built, the first machines were installed, and the first parts were processed.
On September 10, 1965, by order of the Council of Ministers of Armenia. SSR N795, the forklift plant under construction is named Yerevan Automobile Plant (YerAZ).

And still interesting.

In 1972-1975 The installation of an overhead-push assembly conveyor is underway - the second in the USSR. The first conveyor of this type in the USSR was designed, manufactured and installed by the Italian company Fiat at the Volzhsky Automobile Plant in Tolyatti.
After some time, the ErAZ production association was created, which included: Yerevan Automobile Plant - the parent enterprise; Yerevan spare parts plant; Yerevan Forklift Plant; Yerevan hydraulic equipment plant; a forklift plant under construction in Charentsavan.
The association is faced with the task, along with the production of ErAZ vehicles and 4022 forklifts, to master the production of 4091 forklifts with a capacity of 1 ton and a 2 ton model developed by the Lvov GSKB Autoloader.
Along with RAF, UAZ, VAZ, work began on the creation of electric vehicles at ErAZ-e, 26 samples were manufactured and sent for testing to the Moscow Automotive Plant. The ErAZ-3730 was recognized as the most convenient for cars to operate due to the large volume of the body. But due to imperfections in power supplies, work on the ErAZ-e was stopped. An international symposium was held in Armenia with the participation of major specialists from the USSR and the USA, in which YerAZ specialists also took part.

Well, the curtain.

In May 1995, the plant was privatized and the ErAZ Open Joint Stock Company was created. Plant director Hamlet Harutyunyan was elected as the first president of ErAZ JSC. Connections with foreign countries are being established. A sanatorium-type recreation center is being created in Jermuk. The recovery from the crisis begins.

Well, of course. What do shareholders need most? That's right, we need a sanatorium-type recreation center in Jermuk. Well, for a way out of the crisis, if anyone doesn’t understand.

In November 2002, ErAZ OJSC, at the request of creditors, was declared bankrupt by the Economic Court of the Republic of Armenia.

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I repeat... ErAZ wanted to produce cars like UAZ... Moscow didn’t let me in...

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I'll remind you. The point was that the president of the country (Trump) found himself in a humiliating state - forced to order fast food because the kitchen was not working, and not because he wanted it so.

So, according to your logic, you think that Trump was forced to order food from Fact Food because he couldn’t order it anywhere else? This is according to your logic миллиардер Trump couldn't order food anywhere except in fast food??? Don't you find your "logic" funny?
Well, Trump wanted to promote himself as one of the best, so he ordered food from fast food. And, by the way, it’s not a fact that he ate what he ordered.

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So, according to your logic, you think that Trump was forced to order food from Fact Food because he couldn’t order it anywhere else? By your logic, billionaire Trump is nowhere except in fast food, couldn't order food ??? Don't you find your "logic" funny?

Well, how did you come to this conclusion? Where did I say that I “couldn’t order food for myself”? Do you understand what they are writing to you? Do you remember the context of the dialogue? You are confused with whom you are having a dialogue, you are confused about what the dialogue is about, how old are you?

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In fact, it is you who are confused and nervous. Let me remind you of your answers.
The first one is from 09:19.

Brut (Artak) Yesterday, 09:19
And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work?

To which I noticed that other US presidents also went to McDonald’s with their feet. Moreover, they took our Medvedev with them.

Let's see what came from you.

Brut (Artak) Yesterday, 13:42
I'm writing to you:
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And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work?

and you answer me:
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There were American presidents who went to McDonald's even when the White House kitchen worked. And not only we went, but our Medvedev was taken there.

lost the thread of the story? I'll remind you. The point was that the president of the country (Trump) found himself in a humiliating state - forced to order fast food because the kitchen was not working, and not because he wanted it so.

Well, what is it that isn’t clear to you, young man? In my opinion, you have more than clearly outlined your “understanding” and “vision,” so to speak. In your opinion Trump found himself in a humiliating situation - he was forced to order fast food because the kitchen was not working, and not because he wanted it so.

I’m explaining to you that Trump did what he wanted. If you wanted fast food, you ordered fast food. There are plenty of fine dining restaurants in Washington DC. If I wanted to order food from any restaurant, I would order from the restaurant. If I wanted soup from Paris, I would send a plane to Paris for soup. He's a billionaire.
By the way, are you sure that Trump ordered food from fast food?
After all, near the White House there is a large restaurant for special occasions, J&G Steakhouse.
Its main advantages are excellent food from a famous chef, proximity to many attractions and a wide selection of seafood and steaks, as well as modern decor. An average dinner for one person will cost you $20-$50. Restaurant address: W Hotel, 515 15th Street, NW Washington DC.
Maybe you just confused J&G Steakhouse with fast food?

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In fact, it is you who are confused and nervous. Let me remind you of your answers.
The first one is from 09:19.
Brut (Artak) Yesterday, 09:19
And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work?

Let me remind you that our dialogue about Trump and his cuisine began not with this phrase, but with the budget:

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The budget could not hold many US presidents.

And many US presidents ordered fast food due to the fact that the white house kitchen does not work?

I’ll explain on my fingers (as you like to say): after your statement that “many presidents could not pass the budget,” I asked you a simple question about “fast food.” If you didn't understand the context in which the question was asked, you could simply ask.
Let me rephrase the question: “And many US presidents ordered food (cheap or expensive, it doesn’t matter) because the White House kitchen doesn’t work, and the kitchen doesn’t work because Trump couldn’t pass the budget?” The point was precisely in the “shutdown” of the American state machine:

US President Donald Trump canceled the trip of the American government delegation to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. On January 10, the White House announced that Trump himself would not take part in the WEF. The reason for this decision is the shutdown, which has been ongoing in America due to the budget crisis for 28 days. The Trump administration is demanding $5,7 billion for the construction of a wall on the border with Mexico, and Democrats are refusing to approve funding for construction in that amount. For almost a month, about 800 thousand civil servants have not received their salaries, and a decline in growth rates US GDP accelerated to 0,1 percentage points per week. The International Monetary Fund called on Washington to resolve the crisis as quickly as possible.

Exactly a year ago, the presence of the US delegation in Davos was also in question due to the shutdown. However, the federal government shutdown then extended just three days, and congressmen ultimately managed to resolve budget differences with the executive branch.

https://russian.rt.com/world/article/593829-tramp-otmena-poezdka-forum-davos

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Since Congress adopted the modern budget process in 1976, the government has shut down 21 times, according to www.usa.one. Sometimes for several days, sometimes just for a few hours (as it was in February last year). This did not particularly affect the government and the institutions under its jurisdiction.”
The record holder for shutdowns is Ronald Reagan; there were eight of them during his presidency.
Under Bill Clinton, the shutdown lasted 21 days.
The previous shutdown was in 2013 under Barack Obama and lasted 16 days, costing the US budget $2 billion.

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Americans blame Trump for shutdown
On January 12, the shutdown broke a historical record for duration. At the same time, the situation in the United States does not foreshadow the imminent resumption of government work. According to the latest data, about 800 thousand American government employees were left without income.

https://iz.ru/833442/2019-01-13/amerikantcy-vozlozhili-vinu-za-shatdaun-na-trampa

It's already 30 days.

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Of course, I read in books

Again 25 He read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly. Moreover, I believe that he will not remember whether there was a direct speech from the Emperor or whether he read someone’s personal opinion of what the Emperor (in the author’s opinion) might say. How tired we are of such “know-it-alls” of one particular nationality who are not responsible for the market.
Looking on the Internet? Why not look for it yourself? Because there is nothing about it on the Internet, right?

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And what is this much, only in the long run?

Additionally to information Yeraz (Ali).
We have long and stably ensured the passage of Azerbaijani river-sea class vessels to the Azov and Black Seas and further (depending on the class of the vessel they go even to Portugal) through our inland waterways (Volga, Volga-Don Canal, Don) free of charge. The fee is charged only for passing through the locks, but the same as for our Russian ships. Azerbaijan is interested in maintaining its access to the World Ocean.
Perhaps, after some time, a new canal will be built from the Caspian Sea to the Sea of ​​Azov along the Kuma-Many Depression. This will increase both the traffic flow and the dimensions of the vessels.
There are plans to jointly restore the sturgeon stock in the Caspian Sea.
The Caspian Around the World cruise service using our ship will begin soon. The first negotiations with representatives of the Caspian states regarding trans-Caspian cruises on the ship "Peter the Great" yielded results. On December 27, in Baku, a memorandum of cooperation on cruise shipping in the Caspian region using the cruise ship “Peter the Great” was signed between the Azerbaijan Caspian Shipping Company (ACSC) and the Moscow River Shipping Company (MRS). The parties agreed, in particular, to jointly work out the optimal cruise routes for Peter the Great. So far the list includes: ports of the Black Sea - inland waterways of the Russian Federation - Astrakhan - ports of the Caspian Sea; Moscow – Baku; Astrakhan – Makhachkala – Baku; Baku – Anzali – Noushehr – Turkmenbashi – Aktau – Astrakhan and others.
AKMP and MCI also agreed on future joint investments in the construction of new cruise ships to develop maritime tourism along the routes described above. The shipping companies agreed to develop a plan for the development of the necessary coastal infrastructure for organizing cruise tours, including the equipment of berths, border, customs and sanitary control posts, bunkering and supplies, as well as to optimize port fees. The launch of the Peter the Great vessel, which is being built at the Lotos shipyard, is scheduled for 2019.
In 2019, the ship will operate the “Treasures of the East” program (11 days/10 nights) with stops Baku (Azerbaijan) – Bandar-Enzali (Iran) – Noushehr (Iran) – Turkmenbashi (Turkmenistan) – Aktau (Kazakhstan) – Astrakhan – Makhachkala /Derbent - Baku.

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Well, the clowning answer will not be from me, but in terms of PS I will answer.
The theory was not from me, but from the academician ... He does not answer at home a call from an unknown number, but it is impossible to call an official, because Beeline belonging to the Russians turned off many numbers due to non-payment ... Soon I will go to the familiar academicians and ask them what number I can call him on.

And this is the third year now. What is this if not a real clownery?

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This is our land..

Really? Strabo "Geography":
Time.

"12. The ancient history of this nation is approximately as follows. As I have already said, Armen from the Thessalian city of Armenia, located between Thera and Larisa on Lake Beba, went on a campaign to Armenia along with Jason. Kirsil from Pharsal and Media from Larisa, participants in Alexander’s campaign, claim that Armenia received its name from him. Some of Armen's companions settled in Akilisene (which in former times was subject to the Sophenes), while others - in Sispiritis up to Calahene and Adiabene... They further say that the clothing of the Armenians is Thessalian; for example, , long tunics, called Thessalian in tragedies, tied with a belt near the chest, and outerwear with clasps..."

Two.
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Armen came from Armenia, one of the cities near Lake Bebeida, between Ferami and Larisa. Armen's companions occupied the regions of Akilisene and Sispiritis all the way to Kalahana and Adiabene, and he even left behind Armenia of the same name." (Strabo. "Geography", Part XI, p. 503)
Strabo brought all this, referring to the natives of Thessaly - Kirsil from Farsal and Midia from Larisa - the participants of the campaign of Alexander the Great.

Three.

The XNUMXrd century Roman historian Marcus Junianus Justin also noted that Armen was from the city of Armenia in Thessaly (near Lake Bebeida) and was the founder of Armenia. And off the northeastern coast of the Aegean Sea was the region of Thrace, which became the next stop for the Armenians, who, having arrived here, then settled in Phrygia in Asia Minor. Then the Armenians settled deep into Asia Minor - south of Lake Van and at the sources of the Euphrates - that is, at the junction of the borders of modern Turkey, Syria and Iraq. It is this route of Thessaly-Thrace-Phrygia and further to the Euphrates River and the south of Lake Van that was shown by ancient authors as the route of nomadic Armenians.

And according to the “father of history” Herodotus, Phrygia was located next to another historical region - Cappadocia. In the time of Herodotus (XNUMXth century BC), the ancestors of the Armenians lived “above the Assyrians,” up the Euphrates - the river that, according to the historian, separated Armenia from Cilicia. He specifically noted that the Armenians came to their country from the West. Herodotus also pointed out that Armenians are descendants of the Phrygians.

Comrade Strabo (I BC - I AD) writes about the new Armenia in Asia Minor, where Armenians moved from the Balkans: “The Araks (Araz – R.G.) flows through Armenia, and the Cyrus (Kura – R.G.) flows through Iberia and Albania...” “The largest of them is the Cyrus. It originates in Armenia...”.

The outstanding Russian scientist I.M. Dyakonov writes that the ancestral homeland of the Armenians is located outside the South Caucasus and even Asia Minor. Based on the linguistic analysis of the ancient Armenian language, “it is revealed, first of all, that it is Indo-European...”. Further, Dyakonov states: “since the ancient Armenian language is not related to the languages ​​of the autochthons of the Armenian Highlands - the Hurrians, Urartians, it is clear that it was brought here from the outside.”
A famous Armenian scholar came to similar conclusions in a special study about the “pre-Caucasian homeland” of Armenians G.A.Kapantsyan, who believed that the Armenians should be confined mainly to the space between the upper reaches of the Euphrates (Kara-su), Chorokh and Araks,” where they moved from the Balkans (Thessaly).

1) Based on the above, it can be stated that the Armenians are not autochthons of Asia Minor, especially the South Caucasus.
2) G.A.Kapantsyan - Jew or Azerbaijani? Or Turk?

[Karenas]

I am sure that we are the descendants of the Hittites and other autochons of Asia Minor... I think our scientists will still sort out the years of migrations... It’s not for me to do this...

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What kind of Russia "superpowers" the world saw on the example of Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.

These were the last lines of our retreat. Next was Syria. Our Syrian Stalingrad. Which we defended. Well, now - just forward.

[Karenas]

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What kind of Russia "superpowers" the world saw on the example of Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.

These were the last lines of our retreat. Next was Syria. Our Syrian Stalingrad. Which we defended. Well, now - just forward.

You are now simply working off your salary as a military man, not wanting to see how the Russian ethnic group is being rotted...
If we assume that you are a Turk, then all the more you will sing praises to the last of the Sobchaks... gee-gee-gee

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To put it in a nutshell, the loss of Armenia means the pan-Turkic belt including all of Central Asia led by Turkey, a sort of Ottoman Empire of the 21st century.

There is no beast more terrible than a cat. For mice. But you just won't learn one thing. We are not mice. If Türkiye is a cat, then we are... well, let's say, a lynx. A lynx cannot have a fear of a cat or a problem with a cat.
Therefore, there is no need to make of us exactly the same mice as those who are afraid of Turkey.
This means that your assumption about some kind of Pan-Turkic belt is nonsense caused by your fear. Which we don't have.

By the way, Central Asia, as a geographical concept, is written in capital letters. As well as, for example, North America, South America.

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Now think and tell which of the superpowers (USA, RF, Europe, China) or regional countries (Iran) do you need this, well, besides you?

Since your assumption is nonsense from the very beginning, then why think about nonsense?

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Russia and the United States are still “setting the clock” with Turkey

And of course, would you like both Russia and the United States to synchronize their watches with Armenia?

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I hope there will be a boot of a Chinese soldier opposing pan-Turkism ...

Oh well. The hopes of the young men are nourished

Back in October 2013, China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (SPMIEC) won a Turkish military tender worth $4 billion, tWhen was the first time China sold missiles to a NATO member state?. The weapon in question was the FD-2000 long-range missile system.
The deal has drawn objections from the US because the S-400 raises many questions about the relationship between Turkey and other NATO members.
Washington told Ankara it came as a surprise that the NATO member would opt for a deal with a Chinese company that was facing US sanctions for being accused of violating the Iran Non-Proliferation Treaty and North Korea, and would agree to a deal with Russia on S -400, which is also under sanctions.
According to military experts, the importance of Turkey's new missile system is that for the first time Turkey will have a long-range defense system, although it has been a NATO member since 1952.
In addition to Turkey's preference for Chinese missiles over American and Western weapons, these Chinese missiles cannot be used within the NATO defense system or as part of military cooperation with Western countries. This makes it difficult to organize a defense system for NATO with Turkey.

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According to Paskevich, he unequivocally spoke out on the national issue... “Count of Erichonsky”... So everything is clear about Madatov’s nationality...

That is, in your opinion, if Ermolov called Paskevich “Count of Erichon”,

Several times he (Ermolov) began to talk about Paskevich and always sarcastically: speaking about the ease of his victories, he compared him with Navin, before whom the walls fell from the sound of a trumpet, and called Count Erivansky - Count Erichonsky.

then everything is clear regarding Madatov’s nationality?????
Do you really understand yourself?

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When I lived with Chechens in the same hotel room for a couple of weeks...

What an interesting story. Was the room good? Single or for newlyweds?

[Karenas]

You have gone beyond all bounds of decency, and you can be sent away

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Quotes from Carenas.
There was Kakheti or Imereti, I don’t remember absolutely...
What I wrote is something I read about a hundred years ago... how can I remember where?
The Emperor himself wanted to give us separation from the Republic of Ingushetia...
the emperor’s words are probably on the Internet... look for yourself... I, of course, read it in books
Where I read about Pushkin’s notes in his notebook, that I initially thought to write “Georgian” - naturally, I don’t remember...
The theory was not from me, but from an academician... He does not answer a call from an unknown number at home, and it is impossible to call a business number, because... Russian-owned Beeline has disconnected many numbers due to non-payment...
Soon I’ll go to my academic friends and ask them what number I can call him on.
I read about this in the Literary Gazette of the 80s...
These are predictions from famous seers (about 2024).
They say that once in Rome they gave the order to their greyhound writers to write about Armenia only in a derogatory manner..
We need a Chinese and Indian boot with Afghans...
In Pushkin’s works, one can consider a bad opinion of all non-Russian peoples...
In our history books they write
The Czechs, like the Bavarians, also have Armenian blood...
Armenian political parties were created by Zionists
By the way, I myself made a drone back in 89... I wanted to cause an explosion next to the leadership of Azov. at the parade in Baku on November 7...
Skull for starters...
Ali, I'm telling the truth...

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In his work, Pushkin calls a Circassian an Armenian, who did not kill a wounded, unarmed man in a particularly cruel way.

And also an old woman, a coward and a slave.
And first - an old woman, then - a coward, then - a slave, and only at the very end - an Armenian.
So, according to your logic, all those who do not kill a wounded, unarmed person in a particularly cruel way are, first of all, old women, secondly, cowards, thirdly, slaves, and fourthly, Armenians?
Have fun
I haven’t laughed like that for a long time

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Quote: Karenas

You have gone beyond all bounds of decency, and you can be sent away

What do I have to do with it? I didn't live in that room. How do I know who you have crossed the line of decency or not?

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I am sure that we are the descendants of the Hittites

Already only the Hittites? Do your compatriots say that Armenians are direct descendants of Noah?

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Quote: Brut

It's already 30 days.

Are you proposing that Colonel Trump be promoted ahead of schedule “for special achievements in the collapse of the American state apparatus”? Or award him the Order of the Red Star?